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my patches is doing it, and i dont know which one 02:55:58 <Aali> fair enough 02:56:39 <thingwath> it isn't hard to tell why something is segfaulting... simply it tries to use memory it doesn't have :o) 02:57:06 <Aali> only happens with RVs so i kinda forgot about it since i hardly ever use those 02:57:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.184.199] has joined #openttd 02:58:02 <Aali> thingwath: that doesn't help debugging, though :P 02:58:26 <thingwath> no, not much 02:58:34 <Aali> you kind-of need to know that its the rs variable in ClearSlot that ends up containing garbage 02:59:33 <thingwath> valgrind will tell, maybe. :o) 03:01:54 *** Char2 [~Ich@d85-232-172-138.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:58 <Aali> hmm, i can't seem to be able to reproduce it in a debug build 03:02:06 <Aali> thats my biggest problem right now 03:03:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:04:07 <thingwath> well, good luck :) 03:04:26 *** 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More! More! More!] 08:36:48 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 08:36:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 08:49:01 <Celestar> heh. 08:49:12 <Celestar> $BOSS just forgot my name :/ 08:50:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host156-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:50:17 <Wolf01> hello 08:50:30 <Celestar> hi :) 08:55:11 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-175-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:49 *** lobstar_MB is now known as lobster_MB 09:00:15 * dih hugs Celestar 09:00:57 <TrueBrain> Celestar: nasty 09:01:17 <TrueBrain> petern: I am happy to see I am not the only one who gets annoyed by it :) 09:03:29 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:58 *** fonso [~fonso@e178102013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051069122.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:10:33 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:12:37 <Celestar> TrueBrain: He just called up. Me: "Good morning". Him: "Good morning, er... er... er... er... er.... Is $OTHER_COLLEUAGE here?" 09:14:14 * Celestar awards his boss another suck-point 09:17:39 <dih> Celestar: do they work the same way as the 'treuepunkte' in flenzburg? 09:25:10 <Rubidium> Celestar: if I look at that conversation you failed to resolve $BOSS too, so why should $BOSS resolve $GUY_THAT_SAID_GOOD_MORNING? 09:27:21 <Celestar> Rubidium: I am able to resolve $BOOS :) 09:27:24 <Celestar> $BOSS 09:27:33 <Celestar> :P 09:27:38 <Celestar> dih: yes, about. 09:31:04 <Celestar> dih: how many Flensburg-points ya got? 09:34:45 * dih has none 09:34:49 <dih> :-( 09:34:50 <dih> :-P 09:35:03 <Celestar> neither have I :P 09:35:07 <Celestar> (at the moment) :P 09:35:19 <dih> let's have some fone 09:35:22 <dih> eh... 09:35:23 <dih> fun 09:35:37 <dih> 2 weeks - who gets the most :-D 09:36:05 <Celestar> haha 09:36:06 <Celestar> yeah :) 09:36:08 <Celestar> who pays? 09:36:17 <Celestar> the one who loses has to pay all the tickets? 09:46:37 <dih> hehe 09:46:57 <Celestar> it is pretty difficult to get points 09:47:20 <dih> existance of a driverslisence is required for the beginning, of one loeses it in the time of those 2 weeks one can still continue 09:47:29 <dih> Celestar: it is pretty easy! 09:48:04 <dih> as soon as you are 26 KM/h over the sweed limit on outer-town roads 09:48:07 <dih> (not moterways) 09:48:23 <dih> *speed 09:48:41 <Celestar> yeah 09:48:51 <Celestar> but you need to find some trooper who cares about that too :P 09:51:09 <dih> hehe 09:51:15 <dih> listen to the radio? :-D 09:53:13 <Rubidium> dih: next time use the right SI units ;) 09:54:44 <Rubidium> cause kelvin*mol/liter/hour doesn't make much sense ;) 09:55:54 <dih> hehe ;-) 09:56:01 <TrueBrain> oeh, my new screens arrived :) 09:56:05 <dih> YAY 10:04:41 <Celestar> TrueBrain: 22" Widescreens? 10:06:13 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:50 * dih hates widescreen.... 10:07:50 <TrueBrain> 2x 22" :p 10:08:57 <Celestar> dih: depends 10:09:16 <Celestar> dih: I don't hate them, as long as the vertical resolution is sufficient (i.e. > 1000) 10:09:53 <Celestar> I just don't like the 1280x800 crap or so 10:10:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:10:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 10:10:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:10:53 *** Runr [~Runar@87.248.26.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:11 <dih> na - dislike widescreen 10:11:16 <dih> simply just dont like them... 10:11:18 <TrueBrain> k .. need to boot into Windows, as KDE 3 screen detection SUCKS ASS 10:11:23 <dih> might be nice to watch dvd's etc. 10:11:45 <Celestar> dih: it's ok for displaying two pages of paper side-by-side :D 10:11:45 <dih> but 4:3 ratio is what i personally prefer 10:11:55 <Celestar> my laptop has 4:3 10:12:02 <dih> mine too 10:12:02 <Celestar> my workstation has 2x 5:4 10:12:10 * dih cringes 10:12:17 <TrueBrain> 2x 16:10 here now :p 10:12:42 <Celestar> :D 10:13:36 <TrueBrain> damn, it is big .. oh well, brb, Windows boot required :p 10:13:48 <Celestar> TrueBrain: ... 10:13:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:52 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:02 <Celestar> TrueBrain: screen detection works great on my suse installation .. 10:14:10 <petern> i want variable resolution too much to have lcds :( 10:14:10 <Celestar> must be a gentoo crappage 10:14:30 <Celestar> petern: just get some LCD with a proper interpolation 10:14:38 <petern> isn't screen detection a feature of x rather than kde? 10:14:50 <petern> also lcd colour is not as good 10:15:17 <Celestar> petern: those times are long gone (if you get a proper display) 10:15:27 * petern ponders a 19" 1280x1024 lcd 10:15:39 <petern> yeah, where proper mean expensive 10:16:04 <Celestar> not really 10:16:15 <Celestar> well depends on what you call "expensive" 10:16:37 <petern> i have a 21" crt to get rid of 10:16:40 <petern> it's just too big 10:17:29 <petern> 1600x900... well, i suppose that is actually 16:9, but it's not that common 10:20:53 <petern> Jun5choo 10:21:02 <petern> Hmm 10:21:07 <petern> that was the wrong window too :D 10:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i like 16:10 very much since i got it 10:22:50 <Celestar> petern: how much would you shell out for a new display? 10:24:23 <Celestar> 100? 300? 500? 10:24:29 <Celestar> UKP that is (= 10:25:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:24 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-192.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:31:14 *** Runr [~Runar@27.8.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:00 <TrueBrain> Celestar: screen detection fails here completely :p I have to manually ... make clear to him what I want ;) 10:34:13 <TrueBrain> 3360x1280 ... how nice :p Damn, this is huge ... 10:34:52 <dih> uh.... 10:34:55 <TrueBrain> now I need to get it off cloning, and make it true dualhead ... 10:34:58 <dih> nice res 10:35:04 <TrueBrain> 2x 1680x1280 10:35:13 <TrueBrain> euh 10:35:14 <TrueBrain> 1050 10:35:15 <TrueBrain> lol 10:35:23 <dih> hehe 10:35:34 <dih> that is what i dont like about widescreen ... one of the points 10:35:43 <dih> these os-so-odd vertical res 10:35:44 <TrueBrain> their size? :p 10:36:04 <dih> :-D 10:36:27 <TrueBrain> Gamma of -50, and screens are readable even in white .. 10:36:41 <TrueBrain> now dual head in KDE3 + X11 ... always a pain 10:36:55 <TrueBrain> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 3360x1050) 10:36:57 * TrueBrain slaps computers 10:37:22 <dih> oi 10:37:25 <Rubidium> strange... my screen's bigger than that 10:37:32 <dih> no need to slap all of them just because your's is mucking up 10:38:14 <petern> Celestar, depends on the size ;p 10:39:21 <petern> hmm, 24" viewsonic, £149 10:39:45 <petern> 1920x1200 10:39:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i paid more for my screen than for my system 10:40:08 <Eddi|zuHause> around 300⬠each 10:40:22 <Eddi|zuHause> plus some hard drives later on 10:40:28 <TrueBrain> my screens are now also more expensive then my system ;) 10:40:34 <Celestar> petern: http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=147262 <= that's your display :D 10:40:54 <petern> too expensive 10:40:55 <ln> does someone know a small tool that would show line count per function in a C++ file? 10:42:53 <petern> hmm, 562... 10:43:03 <petern> except it's 400 elsewhere 10:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ln: it's a simple push down automaton to calculate the depth of the braces 10:44:09 <petern> although the better half would kill me 10:44:22 <Celestar> tell me about it .. 10:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause> to inherit such expensive gear? any time :p 10:45:00 <petern> i need to buy a new oven 10:45:07 <petern> then i can buy anything i wan 10:45:08 <petern> +t 10:45:20 <Celestar> petern: then the 500 bucks for the LCD are measurement precision :P 10:45:20 <petern> however, i've yet to find an oven that'll fit in the space :( 10:45:29 <petern> bucks? 10:45:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:46:00 <Celestar> money .. 10:46:01 <Celestar> :P 10:46:24 <petern> quid if you must 10:47:06 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 10:49:17 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:21 <TrueBrain> xrandr is very good in multiple display support nowedays :) 10:49:57 <Celestar> hah 10:50:15 <Celestar> xfs_fsr is really really helpful :o 10:50:44 <Gekz> LIAR 10:51:20 <petern> fsr? 10:51:41 <Celestar> file system reorganizer 10:51:46 <Celestar> "defragger" for the winpeops 10:51:59 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-175-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 10:53:08 <Gekz> lol. 10:53:15 <Eddi|zuHause> these "help" forums are always cool... "help, my hard disk is showing read errors" - "just defrag it!" 10:53:46 <petern> heh 10:54:04 <Celestar> hah 10:54:16 <TrueBrain> Celestar: isn't xfs doing that on the fly? 10:55:22 <Celestar> TrueBrain: it does so quite fine, unless you disk usage is very high. 10:55:28 <Celestar> TrueBrain: which happens here regularly 10:55:44 <Celestar> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 10:55:45 <Celestar> /dev/evms/lvm2/td/home 8.9T 8.6T 368G 96% /nfs/home 10:55:56 <TrueBrain> hehe :p 10:56:00 <Celestar> like so. 10:56:15 <TrueBrain> do we want to know how much porn you downloaded :p 10:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> my drives are always full... 10:56:22 <Eddi|zuHause> no matter what i do... 10:56:46 * Celestar slaps TrueBrain 10:57:10 <ln> 12:43 < Eddi|zuHause> ln: it's a simple push down automaton to calculate the depth of the braces <--- that's why i assume someone else has done it already, because it's simple. 10:57:32 * TrueBrain smilse :) 10:57:43 <TrueBrain> now all what I need, is some program that focuses on the application I am looking at :p 10:58:00 <TrueBrain> I now tend to miss which window I have active ... :p 10:58:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there are eye focus detection cameras 10:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> just hook those into the mouse driver ;) 10:59:11 <Celestar> what's that to do with mice? 10:59:33 <Gekz> TrueBrain: get compiz 10:59:37 <Gekz> and turn on the ADHD module 10:59:38 <Gekz> :P 10:59:48 <Gekz> it focuses on a single window 11:00:24 <TrueBrain> lol 11:00:26 <TrueBrain> will consider that :p 11:00:26 <TrueBrain> haha 11:00:27 <Gekz> Celestar: control the mouse with your eyes :P 11:00:34 <Gekz> Celestar: it would get annoying though 11:00:41 <Gekz> with this cursor moving where you're trying to read 11:00:50 <Gekz> and moving your eyes rapidly to move this flicker of terd out of the way 11:00:52 <Gekz> every second 11:01:19 * Celestar prefers touchscreens 11:01:21 <Celestar> and keyboards 11:01:37 <TrueBrain> hmm 11:01:39 <TrueBrain> touchscreen 11:01:43 <TrueBrain> that would had been a good idea :p 11:02:40 <Gekz> would have 11:02:52 <Gekz> perfect present, not perfect past :P 11:03:15 <TrueBrain> and what did I tell you about that? 11:03:24 <Gekz> YOUR MODAL VERB WAS INCOMPATIBLE 11:03:26 <Gekz> WHAT WAS I TO DO?! 11:03:35 * Gekz cries 11:03:38 <TrueBrain> @kban Gekz 100 I can ban you 11:03:39 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 11:03:39 *** Gekz was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [I can ban you] 11:04:33 <dih> lol 11:04:46 <Celestar> gna 11:04:47 <Celestar> ha 11:05:08 <TrueBrain> people should learn not to correct ever single english mistake we make .. it really is annoying :( 11:05:17 <dih> every :-D 11:05:19 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 11:05:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:05:37 <TrueBrain> @kban dih 100 an other one bites the dust 11:05:38 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] by DorpsGek 11:05:38 <Gekz> Tits. 11:05:40 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [an other one bites the dust] 11:05:45 <Gekz> TrueBrain: another. 11:05:56 <TrueBrain> @kban Gekz 3600 ... 11:05:58 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 11:05:58 *** Gekz was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [...] 11:06:07 <TrueBrain> that was REALLY stupid .. 11:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i wondered when you were going to flip :p 11:06:34 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you know me, doesn't take much/long ;) 11:07:20 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] by DorpsGek 11:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hm.. $someone is taking my whole bandwidth again 11:07:24 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:07:34 <TrueBrain> resolve($someone); 11:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Error: $someone is private 11:09:08 <dih> 12:08 <Gekz> tell him that Gekz says if you don't make mistakes, they dont have to be corrected 11:09:39 <Rubidium> LOL! 11:09:54 <Rubidium> it is "don't"! 11:10:00 <Rubidium> the irony ;) 11:11:07 <dih> :-D 11:11:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:51 *** PandaTits [7bf3ce66@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:06 <PandaTits> Good day. 11:12:46 <dih> what a nasty nick! 11:12:50 <Rubidium> dont think it's such a good day ;) 11:12:58 <PandaTits> It's not nasty 11:13:01 <PandaTits> It's _nasty_ 11:13:23 <PandaTits> Like the smell of dog food at 4am 11:13:29 <PandaTits> it's _nasty_ 11:14:01 * keyweed_ looks at PandaTits 11:14:33 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium 11:14:33 <PandaTits> Do you do that often? 11:15:05 <dih> @echo [base 16 10 7b] [base 16 10 f3] [base 16 10 ce] [base 16 10 66] 11:15:09 <dih> :-( 11:15:21 <PandaTits> Bot fail. 11:17:01 <dih> would have been nothing else than your ip anyway :-P 11:17:24 <PandaTits> What is this IP that you speak of? 11:18:33 <dih> the one that is in hex in your username 11:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Intergalactic Parity is a measurement to identify any physical object in the galaxy by a unique number 11:19:40 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I should the fake-Gekz too .. 11:19:44 <TrueBrain> +ban 11:19:54 <dih> ;-) 11:20:18 <PandaTits> ... 11:20:48 <dih> ;-) 11:21:14 <TrueBrain> at least he understand we are talking about him 11:21:26 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:21:32 <PandaTits> I don't have small tits. 11:21:34 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 11:21:34 <dih> TrueBrain: /whois Gekz and /whois PandaTits 11:21:35 <PandaTits> if that's what you're getting at. 11:21:43 <dih> ;-) 11:21:44 <dih> :-P 11:21:46 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:22:38 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:50 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:24:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:14 <TrueBrain> bah, ftp.nl.debian.org isn't responding :( 11:26:25 <PandaTits> It doesn't have panda tits. 11:26:49 <TrueBrain> @kban PandaTits 3600 you just annoy me 11:26:50 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!7bf3ce66@webchat.mibbit.com] by DorpsGek 11:26:50 *** PandaTits was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you just annoy me] 11:27:00 <dih> HAHA 11:27:05 <TrueBrain> I somehow don't feel like hearing about panda tits all day long :p 11:27:26 <TrueBrain> I wonder with which webchat he will join next .. 11:27:35 * dih buys TrueBrain a Play(Panda)Boy 11:27:37 <dih> :-P 11:27:44 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 11:27:58 <dih> why dont you just ban all webchats :-P 11:28:01 <dih> hehe 11:28:09 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: http://www.snt.utwente.nl/vereniging/news/634 explains it 11:28:13 <TrueBrain> the smell of something stuck in my new monitor which is now burning .. 11:28:23 <dih> lol 11:28:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: long 30 minutes :p 11:28:49 <Rubidium> true 11:29:20 <Rubidium> but you forgot the student 15 minutes and the Twents 15 minutes for both the start time and the time it will take ;) 11:29:42 <TrueBrain> then it should be working again in 20 seconds ;) 11:29:51 <TrueBrain> I wonder which game I should launch on my new screens ... :) 11:29:51 <TrueBrain> hehe 11:30:11 * Rubidium knows a game that's widescreen certified that you might have ;) 11:30:52 <TrueBrain> haha, it does work over the complete desktop :) 11:31:00 <TrueBrain> now that is really insane :p 11:31:28 <TrueBrain> euh ... Rubidium: I would like to report a bug :p 11:31:35 <TrueBrain> when I make OpenTTD over my 2 screens 11:31:36 <TrueBrain> close the game 11:31:40 <TrueBrain> open it again, it gets the size of 1 screen 11:31:46 <TrueBrain> but .. OpenTTD still things it is over 2 screens :p 11:31:49 <TrueBrain> I need to resize to fix it :( 11:31:59 <Rubidium> go fix sdl? 11:32:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:04 <TrueBrain> nah :) 11:32:21 <TrueBrain> the other bug ... the opntitle screen is not as pretty at this size :p 11:33:04 <TrueBrain> okay, enough wining :) I am going to install Gentoo .. then some dancing classes .. be back much later :) Have fun you all! 11:33:29 <Rubidium> heh.. ftp.nl.debian.org is back up ;) 11:33:58 <TrueBrain> yeah :) 11:34:56 <petern> burp 11:35:01 <TrueBrain> hmm .. now I come to think of it .. I don't need to reboot to install Gentoo .. I can do that from withn Debian :p hehe :) 11:35:03 <TrueBrain> petern: bless you 11:35:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 11:36:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: and doing it over ssh is so much more fun :) 11:36:40 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hehe, true :) 11:36:46 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: here the FTP still doesn't respond .. 11:37:05 <Rubidium> I just got about 80 MB from there 11:37:57 <TrueBrain> ah, ftp:// is, http:// is not 11:40:56 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:46:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:46:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 11:47:16 *** Char [~Ich@d83-181-110-67.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 11:47:17 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-181-110-67.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 11:56:13 <FloSoft> hmm where was the page with those copy&paste patches? or was it already added to trunk? 11:56:30 <TrueBrain> I doubt it will ever be in trunk, so check the forum? 12:02:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:02:36 <Celestar> c&p patches O_o 12:03:17 <Celestar> don't like em 12:03:25 <TrueBrain> spoils the game ;) 12:04:16 <Celestar> I want auto-build :P 12:05:58 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] by DorpsGek 12:06:00 <petern> i want lots of money 12:06:16 <Celestar> me too 12:06:19 <Celestar> about ... 10 billion? 12:06:25 <petern> that'll do 12:06:30 <Celestar> ok 12:06:37 * Celestar starts printing 12:06:45 <Doorslammer> :S 12:06:47 <TrueBrain> wow, openttd-0.6.3 is finally unmasked in Gentoo 12:06:50 <TrueBrain> about time .. 12:06:53 <petern> hah 12:07:01 <Celestar> "unmasked" meaning? 12:07:14 <TrueBrain> you can install openttd without warning or overriding security 12:07:23 <Celestar> uh huh 12:07:33 <Celestar> and that wasn't the case before? 12:07:42 <TrueBrain> no, because of a few CVEs 12:07:50 <TrueBrain> they masked (read: blocked) all OpenTTD versions 12:07:52 <Celestar> a few .. what? 12:08:00 <TrueBrain> it took ages for them to realiase 0.6.3 wasn't effected .. 12:08:05 <TrueBrain> but .. we are finally there ;) 12:08:09 <TrueBrain> CVE .. security reports? 12:08:13 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:27 <Celestar> is that some gentoo specific stuff? :P 12:08:34 <TrueBrain> no ... 12:08:36 <TrueBrain> very VERY general 12:08:50 <TrueBrain> http://cve.mitre.org/ 12:08:53 <Celestar> ah 12:15:18 <Spoons> They? Isn't gentoo run by one guy, surely you mean "he". *runs* 12:26:52 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!7bf3ce66@webchat.mibbit.com] by DorpsGek 12:27:54 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-192.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 12:30:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:30:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:13 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:45:52 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.162.244.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:35 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:50:51 <dih> there is no Spoon! 12:52:20 <SpComb> I've heard that before somewhere 12:53:54 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 12:53:56 <FauxFaux> Ssh. ¬_¬ 12:54:44 <TrueBrain> no, not in SSH 12:54:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:23 <petern> spoooooooooon guaaaaaaaaaaard 12:55:48 <FauxFaux> I accidentally the spoonguard. 12:57:02 <dih> you accidentally _what_ the spoonguard? 12:57:44 <petern> he accidentally the spoonguard 12:57:51 <petern> can you not read? 12:59:33 <TrueBrain> read? 12:59:34 <ln> implicit verbs less typing. 13:00:28 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.162.244.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:41 <Wolf01> implicit sentences, no typing 13:01:33 <TrueBrain> pff, compiling gcc always takes for ever :( 13:01:51 <TrueBrain> downloading the CoD beta too .. 13:02:32 <FloSoft> TrueBrain: hmm on my quad compiling's really fast ;) 13:02:49 <TrueBrain> gcc drops back to a single core to compile, so somewhat I doubt that 13:03:40 <TrueBrain> (well, single thread, but okay, comes down to the same ;)) 13:04:16 <FloSoft> TrueBrain: hmm did you use "make -j $insertmaximumthreadcounthere$" 13:04:25 <TrueBrain> FloSoft: it really doesn't matter in case of gcc 13:04:30 <TrueBrain> (like a few other software packages) 13:05:28 <TrueBrain> I believe either glib or glibc falls back to -j1 too .. 13:06:10 <TrueBrain> and with multilib active, gcc does two complete runs ... whoho 13:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, then just compile different packages in parallel 13:07:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Quit: uni time] 13:07:25 <TrueBrain> lol @ Eddi|zuHause :) 13:08:29 <Belugas> hello boyz 13:08:45 <FloSoft> hmm: dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/openttd/usr/games/openttd shouldn't be linked with libicui18n.so.38 (it uses none of its symbols). 13:10:13 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:10:17 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 13:11:30 <glx> FloSoft: not a problem 13:11:36 <glx> it still works 13:12:24 <glx> and it should warn about libicudata too 13:12:32 <FloSoft> glx: i know, but that binding is unnessecary 13:13:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:19 <glx> tell that to libicu devs, icu-config --libs-only always give these 3 libs 13:13:32 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/photo_me/TrueBrain-WorkSpace.jpeg <- my workspace ... don't mind the mess ;) The small thing on the left is my computer :) 13:14:02 <FauxFaux> The stand for my headphones is larger than that. ¬_¬ 13:14:11 <petern> kde looks so horrible :p 13:14:43 <TrueBrain> KDE sucks, yes 13:16:06 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:20 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 13:16:41 <Belugas> YURK! 13:16:54 <Belugas> a desktop full of SNOW!!! 13:16:57 <petern> :) 13:17:03 <petern> mine is full of winamp visualization 13:17:05 <TrueBrain> Belugas: told you I liked snow :) 13:17:17 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Flex@89.246.*] by petern 13:17:17 <TrueBrain> petern: now that is a nice idea :) 13:17:52 <Belugas> i second that! 13:17:54 <glx> hmm kde in kde? 13:18:08 <TrueBrain> glx: on the right screen is nxclient at work, to an other machine of mine 13:18:16 <TrueBrain> it contains all my chat applications, mail, and stuff like that 13:18:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.194.224] has joined #openttd 13:18:18 <SpComb> my desk is clean! 13:18:39 <TrueBrain> but more the point here was: check my 2x 22" widescreen :p 13:19:09 <glx> nice screens 13:19:17 <petern> nasty flat keyboard 13:19:37 <TrueBrain> the flatter the better 13:21:34 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i like diving (as you know). does not mean i have a diving related desktop ;) 13:21:50 <TrueBrain> Belugas: well .. that is just sad ;) 13:21:51 <Belugas> mmh... irrelevent... it has my son's picture... i guess i love him more than diving 13:22:02 <TrueBrain> See! 13:22:05 <TrueBrain> pfew :) 13:23:15 <Belugas> hehe 13:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i must like jessica alba then... 13:25:00 <TrueBrain> hahahahahahahaha 13:25:10 <TrueBrain> hmmm .. Jessica Alba .. 13:25:51 <FauxFaux> http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/deskb1.jpg <-- I was trying to resist linking this, but with your talk about loving your wallpapers. <3 13:26:39 <glx> your desk is too clean to be real ;) 13:26:44 <dih> TrueBrain: here's an idea - move everything you dont need on your desk to somewhere else - then take another picture :-P 13:27:02 <FauxFaux> Yeah, it was polished for that, normally covered in half eaten snackies and bowls/plates. :p 13:27:56 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing ever stays half eaten here... 13:28:30 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: nice screens ;) 13:28:36 <dih> no - but everything remains emtpy after it's been eaten 13:28:37 <TrueBrain> dih: why? :) 13:28:50 <FauxFaux> Clearly you're not buying cadbury's chocolate in the 1kg bars they offer. 13:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause> amazing how the same picture can look so falsely coloured in two adjacent screens... 13:29:14 <TrueBrain> reason I always buy two identical screens 13:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> 1kg of chocolate? that'd take half an hour tops... 13:29:31 <dih> FauxFaux: are you by any chance lacking a chromosom? 13:29:34 <FauxFaux> Yeah, the right screen is about a third of the price of the left. (http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/ocuk-viewingangle.jpg) 13:29:49 <Belugas> A desktop not cluttered by papers, pen and books is the one of an administrator, i.e.: one that make the other works, i.e: one who does not work ^_^ 13:29:55 <FauxFaux> dih: No, but I am lacking the ability or will to prepare food for myself. ¬_¬ 13:30:14 <dih> why do you have these odd thingybob's on your screens? 13:30:20 <dih> that is really girly 13:30:26 <FauxFaux> Ponies. \o/ 13:30:30 <dih> PINK 13:30:36 <FauxFaux> :D 13:30:55 <dih> those a things my neightbour likes playing with 13:30:57 <dih> she is 6 13:31:24 <FauxFaux> She sounds nice, is she single? 13:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> my sister also always wanted those things 13:31:33 <dih> pedofile arse! 13:31:35 <dih> :-P 13:32:11 <dih> sick 13:32:32 <TrueBrain> well, girls, I wish you a good day 13:32:38 * FauxFaux waves. 13:32:38 <TrueBrain> I am going to try CoD WAW MP Beta 13:32:41 <TrueBrain> and then I am off 13:32:44 <TrueBrain> have a good one :) 13:32:49 <petern> mmm, 1kg of cadbury's 13:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the most interesting about TrueBrain's "screenshot" is that he has a query window with Gekz open :p 13:34:02 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host124-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:34:02 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest707 13:34:02 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 13:35:50 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:05 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:38:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 13:40:07 *** Guest707 [~wolf01@host156-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:30 <petern> is that interesting? 13:49:57 *** mode/#openttd [-b bow*!*@*] by petern 13:55:27 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently not 13:56:02 <Eddi|zuHause> where are all these random bans coming from? 13:56:47 * Celestar wonders whether it is possible to mark an xfs so that it is fsck'ed on next boot 13:57:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:57:33 <Ammler> last number in fstab 13:58:00 <Celestar> that's the fsck order isn't it? 13:58:36 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:43 <ln> Celestar: touching /forcefsck forces checking everything at next boot, at least on certain distros. 13:59:29 <Celestar> ln: yes, but that's my last resort 14:01:18 <ln> touch /forcefsck and set last field in fstab to zero for all other partitions :/ 14:04:06 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.67.55] has joined #openttd 14:04:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C949.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:50 <Celestar> or that :D 14:09:14 <Celestar> this disk is way too full :S 14:10:42 <petern> wasn't there a lot of hype several years ago that unix-type filesystems didn't need defragging? 14:11:30 <glx> fsck is not really for defrag IIRC 14:11:39 <thingwath> no, it really isn't 14:11:52 <Celestar> petern: they don't need it that badly. not by a long shot 14:12:00 <thingwath> but even unix filesystems need defragging, when they are used almost full, all the time 14:12:11 <Celestar> petern: unix people just say "full file systems perform badly" 14:12:20 <glx> windows needs a defrag right after install 14:12:35 <Celestar> petern: which is basically the same as "my file system is fragged like there's no tomorrow" 14:13:06 <ln> glx: now is that still true for ntfs? 14:13:13 <glx> yes 14:13:30 <ln> "needs", why? 14:13:32 <glx> ntfs doesn't solve the write where the head is 14:14:50 <Celestar> petern: unix file systems, as opposed to their windows counterparts, try hard not to fragment the data in the first place. 14:14:51 <glx> well it doesn't really need it, but a fresh install system is fragmented 14:14:55 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-161.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:15:07 <Celestar> NTFS and FAT just write the data all over the place 14:15:32 <thingwath> FAT is really stupid, but I think that NTFS should be better 14:15:41 <Celestar> marginally 14:16:11 <glx> ntfs supports compression and has better rights management but I think that's all 14:16:23 <thingwath> at least, microsoft has tools for online defrag :) 14:16:25 *** ecke [~ecke@pc168-161.upce.cz] has quit [] 14:16:35 <thingwath> for many linux filesystem, there is no tool for defrag at all :) 14:17:17 <glx> because it's usually not needed :) 14:17:21 <Belugas> clusters are smaller too (way smaller), and the allocation table is less likely to be corrupted, regarding ntfs 14:17:48 <petern> worst filesystem i ever used for corruption was reiserfs 14:18:47 <Celestar> reiser fucks up rarely, but if it does, it does it well :P 14:19:00 <thingwath> well, rarely... 14:19:19 <Celestar> often enough for me to not use it :P 14:19:27 <glx> power cut on write? 14:19:36 <petern> yeah 14:19:39 <petern> that'll do it 14:19:54 <Celestar> yeah. it might 14:19:58 <petern> reiserfs seems to be a journalling fs for performance rather than integrity 14:20:04 <Celestar> apparently 14:20:08 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:20:19 <Celestar> ZFS all the way :D 14:20:29 <petern> i stick with ext3 mostly 14:20:35 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:35 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:20:43 <petern> not the fastest but i've never experienced corruption 14:20:52 <thingwath> I did :) 14:20:59 <thingwath> but I could fix it very easily 14:21:02 <petern> data loss on power failure, yes, but not fs corruption 14:21:11 <thingwath> it's really robust fs 14:21:30 <petern> i seem to remember an early 2.2 kernel had a fs trashing bug too :D 14:29:32 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.154.227.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:02 <Celestar> heh 14:32:07 <Celestar> I've had those on 2.5 kernels too :P 14:33:15 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the scheme behind kernel versioning anyway? 14:33:58 <thingwath> just increment the last number in 2.6.something forever :) 14:34:27 <Ammler> there was a 2.5 kernel? 14:34:42 <Ammler> but not really used... 14:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean you often hear about 2.4 and 2.6, but really rarely about 2.5 14:34:48 <thingwath> of course, as a development tree 14:35:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and you see nobody talking about going to 2.7 14:35:21 <thingwath> there will not be any 2.7 14:36:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.194.224] has joined #openttd 14:39:05 <Ammler> one thing, I had better experience with FAT then ext3 is for USB Disks, if you unplug them without unmount 14:40:45 <Ammler> fsck works now since hours with my HD, next time I try with sync. 14:41:02 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:41:08 <petern> does FAT contain an 'unmount uncleanly' tag? 14:41:21 <thingwath> almost certainly not 14:41:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:09 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@91-66-241-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:43:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.194.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:48 <Celestar> heh 14:48:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:56:39 * dih uses hfs+ :-P 14:56:55 <Celestar> :o 14:56:58 <Celestar> zfs works on linux 14:58:02 <Tefad> "works" and works are two different things 14:58:42 <ln> yes, one of them is a lame office suite from microsoft. 15:02:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:40 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:04:07 <dih> ln: yes - the ms thing just does not... ironic actually! 15:07:36 <Aali> yay, i figured out what was segfaulting my ottd \o/ 15:11:40 <Tefad> ln heh. 15:19:28 *** Char [~Ich@d83-181-110-67.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:31 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-181-110-67.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:26:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:20 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:34:40 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet540.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:44:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm51.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:47:03 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:47:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:47:06 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:47:41 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:32 *** Zorni [zorn@e177234054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:51 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:03:55 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FC90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:04:15 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:14 *** Zorn [zorn@d122116.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:50 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:53 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:09:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm51.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:10:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet540.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:04 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r14546 /trunk/src/ (string.cpp string_func.h): 16:30:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Unify string(cpy|cat) functions 16:30:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Doc: string(cpy|cat) functions 16:39:04 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:42:17 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:47:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:48:51 <yorick> are server names always encoded in utf-8 when sent over network? 16:49:35 <glx> why? 16:49:53 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:15 <yorick> because...212054696b6f732067c3a16dc3a9c3a9203333333333332121 <-- this is a hex representation of a server name 16:50:37 <yorick> I can't decode that with ASCII 16:50:44 <glx> looks like utf8 yes 16:52:25 <ben_goodger> yorick: most latin in UTF8 is ASCII equivalent 16:53:10 <ben_goodger> you should be able to get some sense out of it with raw ASCII unless it is composed for some reason primarily of non-alphanumerics 16:53:47 <yorick> ben_goodger: yes, but python errors on it when using th ascii codec 16:54:18 <ben_goodger> yorick: try another codec then? 16:54:28 <yorick> utf8 fails on revisions 16:55:35 <yorick> "8ae8a9a6e9818be8bba2e4b8ad" <- this one 16:55:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:54 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 16:56:27 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 16:56:32 <ben_goodger> appears to read ÚîªÃÌïÃ+óõ©¡ 16:56:44 <yorick> heh 16:56:57 <ben_goodger> or ￜￜￜￜￜￜￜￜ+ￜￜￜￜ 16:57:05 <yorick> aha 16:57:14 <ben_goodger> :P 16:57:19 <ben_goodger> 'tis gibberish# 16:58:09 <yorick> what kind of revision is that? 16:59:24 <ben_goodger> revision? 16:59:40 <ln> UTF-8 only! 17:00:00 <yorick> ln: nono, "please" 17:00:10 <ben_goodger> well, if it's UTF-8 I think it's gibberish 17:00:25 <yorick> or it fails for another reason 17:00:51 <Belugas> isn't it a hg revision ? 17:00:54 <Belugas> jsut an idea... 17:01:06 <thingwath> I don't think *this* makes any sense as UTF-8 17:01:07 <yorick> Belugas: if I try to get the raw packet, it reads 0.6.2 somewhere 17:02:35 <petern> servers names are not encoded 17:03:01 <glx> petern: all strings are utf8 internally 17:03:11 <glx> so server names are too 17:04:30 <petern> wrong 17:04:35 <petern> server names are sent as-is 17:04:48 <petern> so if it's not utf8 in the config, then it's not utf8 17:04:55 <petern> and it is not *encoded* by ottd 17:05:16 <glx> it's whatever is filled in char* 17:05:40 <yorick> hmm, the packet just seems awfully broken 17:06:45 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/142892 17:07:18 <FauxFaux> Yeah, there's a typo in the middle there somewhere. 17:09:55 <fjb> If I have a pointer to the nth element of an array, is there a way to find out the n? 17:10:07 <petern> pointer - first element 17:10:11 <FauxFaux> Yeah, the "-" operator, highly complex. 17:10:56 <fjb> first element means poiter to the start of the array? 17:11:06 <FauxFaux> Close enough. 17:11:35 <fjb> Or "pointer - array[0]"? 17:11:48 <thingwath> um, no. 17:12:32 <fjb> C sytax is complicated sometimes. 17:13:55 <ln> not at all. 17:14:11 <Sacro> x = x++; 17:14:15 <Sacro> that is complex 17:14:19 <FauxFaux> UNDEFINED 17:14:24 <thingwath> no, it isn't :) 17:14:30 <Aali> C syntax is dead simple, if you know what you're doing 17:14:41 <FauxFaux> I'm pretty sure it counts as two modifications before a sequence point, thingwath. 17:16:25 <Sacro> i hate the way it is different in C and C# 17:16:31 <Sacro> C increments (as it should) 17:16:33 <Sacro> C# doesn't 17:16:37 <thingwath> just don't use it 17:16:39 <thingwath> never use it 17:17:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:17:29 <thingwath> how you can tall what C should do with x in this? 17:17:43 <Sacro> it should set x = x 17:17:47 <Sacro> and then post-increment it 17:17:50 <Sacro> perfectly simple 17:18:06 <Sacro> so it is just x++; 17:18:13 <glx> why should it? 17:18:28 <thingwath> why it should increment x after assinging the value? 17:18:29 <Sacro> glx: post incremeent 17:18:35 <Sacro> thingwath: ^ 17:18:45 <FauxFaux> It's undefined.. 17:18:48 <glx> order of operations is not defined 17:18:53 <FauxFaux> It might do the same as c#! 17:19:00 <thingwath> put value of x to =, and then increment 17:19:34 <FauxFaux> glx: I believe, in this case, it's not the order but actually the safety that's not defined. Subtle difference, but still relevant. 17:19:52 <Sacro> ooh, now x += x++ 17:20:02 <glx> anyway I wouldn't trust somebody coding that way 17:20:16 <Sacro> that should hmm 17:20:36 <Sacro> double x and add one 17:20:54 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:40 *** questionmark [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:26:28 *** fonso [~fonso@e178102013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:13 *** Slowpoke [~Lobster@91-66-241-81-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:27:30 *** yorick is now known as Guest725 17:27:30 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 17:28:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:30:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:36 *** Guest725 [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:14 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:25 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:39:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdcd4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:21 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:42 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 17:50:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:09 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:02:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 18:09:43 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:14:12 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 18:14:15 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [] 18:31:56 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 18:41:52 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 18:43:10 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:17 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:54:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:20 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:05:35 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:35 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 19:07:45 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g230038171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:09:33 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Good pie!] 19:11:19 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-225-41.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:09 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229114251.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:51 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-112.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:18:16 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229154226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:19:30 <fjb> What does gcc try to tell me? "error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers" 19:20:40 <petern> it means you have two or more data types in a declartion specifier 19:20:58 <Rubidium> probably a missing semi-colon or so 19:21:59 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229141006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:04 <fjb> Hm, is "enum ramp_flags flags;" as part of a struct wrong? 19:23:04 <Aali> you can't use enums as types 19:23:38 <Aali> you still have to store the enumerated values in an integer 19:23:45 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:07 <fjb> My C book told me it should be possible. Maybe I got that wrong. 19:24:53 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-112.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:26 <petern> you must declare the enum separately 19:25:38 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g230038171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:38 <petern> then you should just be able to use "ramp_flags flags;" 19:25:49 <Aali> ah yes, the problem is the enum keyword 19:25:56 <Aali> its only used to declare enums 19:26:06 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g229200189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:26:12 <Aali> nevermind what i said about enums not being types 19:26:16 <fjb> The enum is declared separately. 19:26:31 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-137-138.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:52 <fjb> I still get that error wirthout "enum" in that line. But I get an additional error: "error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'ramp_flags'" 19:28:01 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:38 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229154226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:05 <Aali> and what does you enum declaration look like? 19:29:13 <Aali> *your 19:30:20 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229179069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:31:45 <fjb> Ah, good hint, the semi-colon was missing there. 19:31:55 <fjb> Thank you. 19:32:05 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 19:32:30 <fjb> "enum ramp_flags flags;" is correct. 19:32:38 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229141006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:38 <Aali> yeah, i know 19:33:00 <Aali> i never use enums, so i forgot how the little buggers work :P 19:33:43 <fjb> I didn't find an example... 19:33:44 <Aali> enum ramp_flags is indeed the correct type name if you dont typedef it 19:35:31 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229187078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:39 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g229200189.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:54 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g229198172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:06 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 19:42:09 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229179069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:47 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229193135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:13 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229187078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:14 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g229198172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:52 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g229080038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:54:38 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:06 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [] 19:58:14 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229193135.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:54 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229096077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:07 *** sifldoer [~sifldoer@g229096077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:01:58 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 20:02:27 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:55 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:20 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:07:13 *** FloSoft` [~sifldoer@g229080038.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:12 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:09:18 <yorick> Belugas: what security reasons? 20:09:44 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:18 <Wolf01> 'night 20:12:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host124-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:24:25 <Belugas> does it really matter? 20:28:08 <yorick> yes 20:31:53 <Belugas> no 20:32:41 <yorick> then it's not a valid reason 20:33:47 <Belugas> if you insist: doing distributed automatic banning by a python client based on your now available identifier is not very interesting 20:34:54 <yorick> where does it say it will be used for that 20:34:56 <Belugas> one day, the game will be used only by control freak admins who will have even more fun then players 20:35:06 <Belugas> yorick, come on... 20:36:54 <yorick> how about afk monitoring + automatic pausing? 20:38:35 <Belugas> better use another method. exposing slot like tjis is way too touchy 20:39:14 <yorick> you mean it does not make sense to know which client actually did a command, only which company? 20:41:38 <Belugas> you got that right! 20:45:01 <yorick> }| 20:48:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-39-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:49:44 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1d1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:21 <Belugas> and i'm gone home 21:01:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DE1B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:05:34 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.154.227.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fdcd4.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:59 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]] 21:20:09 * TrueBrain loves iPhone :) 21:30:33 *** elmex [~elmex@e180068039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:14 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.67.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:06 * Eddi|zuHause doesn't get what all the fuzz is about 21:51:27 <yorick> what fuzz? 21:52:29 <FauxFaux> Shit, it's the fuzz! 21:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> about Belugas talking to himself :p 21:52:57 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 21:52:57 <SmatZ> !logs 21:53:16 <yorick> Fitt, it's it's the shuz! 21:53:29 <yorick> -it's 21:53:30 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: oh, I was thinking about the iPhone fuzz 21:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, i did, too. ;) 21:54:02 <SmatZ> so did I :) 21:54:09 <SmatZ> and I didn't know 21:54:16 <Rubidium> "The iPhones aren't the only bad apples in the cell phone basket and there's not much you can do about the problem." <- A quote a like a lot 21:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> haha ;) 21:54:35 <Rubidium> if only the third a was an A ;) 21:54:49 <SmatZ> hehe 21:54:50 <yorick> ipaones? 21:59:31 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet515.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:59:55 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 22:07:16 *** Zothar [~Zothar@adsl-76-255-81-204.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet515.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet515.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:24:49 <Aali> wow, with IS and improved breakdowns, planes actually go for emergency landings at other companies airports 22:25:19 <Aali> and they still charge you the landing fee, those greedy bastards 22:30:49 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 22:33:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 22:34:04 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:38:31 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:59 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:42:59 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-224-143.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 22:43:03 <Char> hmmm 22:43:05 <Char> one question 22:43:23 <SmatZ> no 22:43:31 * SmatZ <== bad mood 22:43:41 <Char> is there a reasonable way to replace engines if the one engine is a double engine and the other a single one? 22:43:49 <Char> SmatZ: whats wrong? 22:44:00 <Aali> Char: not really 22:44:18 <SmatZ> Char: as I said, no :) ... well personal things are going bad 22:44:30 <Char> well 22:44:35 <Char> i'm sorry for yoyu 22:44:36 <Char> you 22:44:38 <SmatZ> thanks :-) 22:49:31 <fjb> Hm, conditional orders and cargo dest don't get along too well... 22:49:33 <Char> guess it doesnt really help you, me beiung sorry 22:49:35 <Char> but 22:49:38 <Char> well... 22:49:46 <SmatZ> :-) 22:49:49 <SmatZ> it does 22:52:39 *** Zothar [~Zothar@adsl-76-255-81-204.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 22:54:46 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Good pie!] 22:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> well, conditional orders are impossible to predict, cargodest cannot ever handle them completely 22:58:42 <Char> hmmm 22:58:56 <Char> the game gets kinda boring once you have connected most of the stuff 22:59:23 <Aali> prospect more :) 23:01:46 <Char> prospect? 23:02:26 <Aali> press F12 23:02:43 <Char> well 23:02:51 <Char> can only fund non-interesting stuff 23:02:56 <Char> like a factory 23:03:09 <Char> i dont need a factory, i got one. 23:03:11 <Aali> its a patch setting 23:03:18 <Char> i know 23:03:21 <Char> i think it sucks ;) 23:03:26 <Aali> sorry, advanced setting 23:03:36 <Aali> prospecting is great 23:03:44 <fjb> I deleted the conditional orders, but now I have two independent routes. The cargo for the second station doesn't get loaded, only for the first station. 23:04:40 <Aali> why would conditional orders create problems with cargodest? 23:04:44 <Char> i could earn enough money to fill all water space with land 23:05:04 <Aali> unless you're using no load/no unload orders, of course 23:05:24 <Aali> Char: but thats very pointless :P 23:06:03 <Char> hmmm 23:06:04 <Char> it is 23:06:14 <rortom> Char: join a MP server with nightly, proper settings and good GRF ... 23:06:50 <Ammler> openttdserver.de :P 23:06:52 <Aali> i'm thinking about setting up my own MP server 23:07:19 <rortom> lol @ ammler 23:07:37 <rortom> its very easy if you own a dedicated server 23:07:42 <Aali> running my own patchpack 23:07:48 <fjb> Or user NARS 2.0 and eGRVTS and start in 1831. 23:08:10 <Aali> oh i already run a dedicated ottd server for personal use 23:08:20 <Ammler> I would say, it is very hard to setup a own server 23:08:36 <rortom> ah, patchpacks are nice, but complicated to manage over time 23:08:42 <Ammler> define proper GRF combinations. 23:08:58 <rortom> the one from openttdcoop :p 23:09:14 <Aali> rortom: this one is, yes, i'm running just about every major patch there is 23:09:17 <rortom> since we have presets, its very easy to clone 23:09:20 <Ammler> coop doesn't use patchpack 23:09:25 <Char> hmmm 23:09:41 <Char> anyone of you currently in a network game? 23:09:45 <rortom> Ammler, i mean GRF settings 23:09:47 <Aali> NoAI, cargodest, IS, improved breakdowns, improved timetable management and alot more 23:09:48 <rortom> yes 23:09:56 <Char> i could also try to get a performance rating of 1000 23:09:59 <rortom> see ammlers URL ;) 23:10:15 <Char> only thing i would need to do is build a shitload of stations 23:10:20 <Ammler> Aali: begin with 2-3 patches 23:10:24 <Char> and 6 more vehicles 23:10:34 <Aali> Ammler: why? 23:11:03 <Ammler> Aali: do you know a working patchpack? 23:11:17 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.236] has joined #openttd 23:12:05 <Aali> Ammler: what do you mean by that?, have i actually ever seen a working patchpack? yes :P 23:12:23 <Ammler> on a MP server? 23:12:39 <rortom> the russian patchpack is neic 23:12:41 <rortom> *nice 23:12:54 <Ammler> that one is for sure, not useable 23:13:03 <rortom> agreed :D 23:13:27 <Rubidium> even the mother of all patchpacks wasn't MP safe at all 23:13:37 <nicfer> I got an idea for multiplayer mode: what about a total vehicle limit, not only a per vehicle type one? 23:13:50 <Ammler> the best pack in that matter was Tiberiuss 23:14:14 <Ammler> and those for wwottdgd, of course :-) 23:14:18 * Rubidium doesn't remember what was in there 23:14:36 <Aali> well, thats part of the reason why i wanted to setup a MP server, so I can fix those issues 23:14:52 <Ammler> TibPP was mainly IS and YAPP 23:14:52 <nicfer> and not related, I have a system that would enable to build trolleybuses 23:15:15 <nicfer> Belug as would like it 23:15:19 <Ammler> and without PaxDest 23:15:55 <Aali> and I have yet to make it desync the MP game I'm playing with some friends 23:15:56 <Rubidium> Aali: fixing desyncs is tricky and pretty hard, so I hope you've got lots of experience with fixing other more reproducable bugs 23:16:03 <Aali> and we even have an AI in there 23:16:37 <Ammler> AI should be sync safe 23:17:14 <Aali> all the other patches *should* be sync safe too :P 23:17:21 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:18:33 <nicfer> my idea is to make the electric wires a flag of the road/tram rails instead of being attached to the tramtracks 23:18:36 <Rubidium> one thing about "sync safe": never believe the author, most of the time they are wrong 23:19:16 <Rubidium> nicfer: so you implemented that, right? 23:19:40 <nicfer> no, that's a idea only 23:20:08 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 23:20:28 <Rubidium> in that case I'll tell the American patent office that there has been prior art ;) 23:20:34 <rortom> about desync 23:20:49 <rortom> what about adding a feedback routine once a client desyncs? 23:21:14 <rortom> like compare hash parts of the savegame, until the error position is found? 23:21:53 *** Rhydderch [~IceChat7@cpe-75-185-45-25.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:22:07 <Rhydderch> hello? 23:22:23 <SmatZ> hello! 23:22:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.194.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:41 <Rhydderch> ok new to irc here and to open ttd 23:23:02 <Aali> Rubidium: of course, and i haven't seen anyone brag about their patch being sync safe, i'm only going by my personal experience with these patches 23:23:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C949.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:13 <Rubidium> rortom: wouldn't quite help 23:23:25 <Rubidium> Aali: that's likely because you haven't been here long enough 23:23:34 <rortom> rubidium, why not, if you know the history of the tile? 23:23:58 <Aali> Rubidium: most likely, yes :P 23:24:03 <Rubidium> rortom: the cause of desyncs happen usually a long time before the actual desync 23:24:39 <Rubidium> and by long I mean up to at least 20-ish game years 23:25:05 <rortom> oh, thats indeed not good 23:25:11 <Aali> yeah, if a direct action leads to a desync it will be discovered and fixed, but a long chain of events can also lead to a desync if just one of those things go wrong 23:25:14 <rortom> why is it so long not detected then? 23:25:47 <Rubidium> because the gamestate has been slightly different and an action many years later triggers the desync 23:26:12 <rortom> mh, thats indeed not good 23:26:16 <Rubidium> e.g. the "do autorenew" setting of a company is not properly synced across all clients 23:26:21 <rortom> is there any approach from your side to solve that? 23:26:48 <Rubidium> the approach of stopping desyncs all together is... unfeasible 23:27:17 <rortom> yes 23:27:29 <Rubidium> making and sending a delta of the complete game state every tick is somewhat more bandwidth expensive 23:28:13 <rortom> maybe you can record games and playback in some kind of desync finder? 23:28:20 <Rubidium> as it'd mean sending a savegame every real time second to all clients 23:28:27 <rortom> i thought more about a 3rd party tool to find bugs 23:28:45 <SmatZ> Rubidium: we discussed it yesterday, savegames may differ for clients, but the effective game state is the same 23:28:50 <Rubidium> rortom: the playback can already be made if one uses the appropriate compile flags 23:28:50 <SmatZ> eg. not in a desync-state 23:29:11 <rortom> cool to know :) 23:29:12 <Rubidium> s/compile/configure/ 23:29:13 *** eMJay [~michael@60-241-9-164.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:29:27 <rortom> but could it be used to trace such errors? 23:29:45 <Rubidium> but that only helps in reliably reproducing it 23:29:58 <SmatZ> furthermore, bugs in say YAPF cache are untraceable this way 23:30:03 <Rubidium> after that it's usually placing printfs at strategic places 23:30:23 <rortom> that sounds pretty non-automatic :\ 23:30:28 *** nicfer [~chatzilla@168.226.104.236] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:33 <Rubidium> anyhow... most of the desyncs lately are due to newgrfs doing strange things 23:30:42 <rortom> yes 23:30:56 <rortom> is there some logic checker for newgrfs? 23:31:20 <rortom> or something to limit their actions in they way that this happens? 23:31:20 <Ammler> nforenum? 23:31:57 <Rubidium> if we find a way a newgrf can cause a desync we either fix it or we mark the newgrf as unuseable in MP 23:32:15 <Ammler> is there one? 23:32:44 <Rubidium> e.g. canset (IIRC) changes it's vehicle length when it turns around 23:33:08 <Rubidium> but when you reload the same savegame it initializes the vehicle length to the length it was before the turn 23:33:17 <Ammler> was that the reason, it got removed? 23:33:47 <Rubidium> Ammler: no, that was acting upon his own threats 23:34:24 <Char> NOW 23:34:24 <Rubidium> if you (O)TTD(P) do not implement feature XY then I'll remove the set 23:34:26 <Char> now 23:34:33 <Char> my company rating is at 1000 23:34:41 <Char> thats reason enough to start a new game 23:35:01 <dih> Rubidium, what a silly thing to try 23:35:20 <dih> thinking ones grf was enough leverage 23:35:46 <dih> thinking there even was leverage at all :-P 23:36:05 <Ammler> well, that is not worth to discuss anyway... 23:36:18 <rortom> haha, thats lame @ threats 23:36:30 <rortom> peopel try that everytime for RoR as well ;) 23:36:36 <rortom> *people 23:38:18 <Rhydderch> is this channel specificly for the developers of OpenTTD? I thought perhaps it was for those who were just players too.... 23:38:45 <Rhydderch> however the discussion is way over my head 23:39:08 <fjb> We have 1912 and I finally got my first non steam train. 23:39:35 <Rubidium> Rhydderch: OpenTTD doesn't have 92 developers ;) 23:39:46 <Vikthor> Rhydderch: It depends, most of the time it's not about OpenTTD at all :p 23:39:50 <Rhydderch> lol never know 23:40:00 <rortom> why dont fork the channel, blender did it well 23:40:09 <rortom> #openttd.dev or something 23:40:59 <Rubidium> there's not that much chatter 23:41:56 <rortom> true again 23:42:15 <rortom> one last thing 23:42:25 <Rubidium> sepuku? 23:42:29 <rortom> if you would want to write a management protocol 23:42:34 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 23:42:46 <rortom> what language would you choose for the interface? 23:43:08 * rortom thought of xml-rpc 23:43:18 <Rubidium> something buzzword free 23:43:37 <SmatZ> hehe 23:45:14 <rortom> no i mean its usable by any language at all 23:45:23 <Vikthor> night 23:45:27 <rortom> you could php, java, c/c++, ... to connect 23:45:53 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat3.arachne.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:46 *** welshdragon is now known as walshdragon 23:47:11 *** Rhydderch [~IceChat7@cpe-75-185-45-25.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: If your not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space] 23:48:44 <Rubidium> buzzword free doesn't mean unuseable 23:48:59 * Rubidium wonders how many of the famous protocols use XML-RPC 23:50:05 <rortom> coming up with something on your own is not the problem 23:50:19 <rortom> just if you want everyone to use it 23:50:54 * Rubidium doesn't like the requirement of both a xml library and a http library 23:51:06 * SmatZ wonders about overhead (both data size and computional time) caused by XML-RPC 23:52:31 <rortom> i also dont like overhead 23:52:41 <rortom> so thats the reason i asked :) 23:52:55 <rortom> must sleep, work in 5 hours, gn8 23:52:57 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1d1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:13 <Rubidium> how typical...