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06:49:15 <theholyduck> quiet channel is booring ;( 06:49:40 <Aali> you're boring 06:51:34 <theholyduck> well i suddenly decided to pick up 3d modeling again because i got bored. 06:51:42 <theholyduck> and now my rsi kicked back in 06:51:48 <theholyduck> i hate it when im bored 06:56:56 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-163-9.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:06 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:00:03 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-134.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:01:56 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:04:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:58 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:09:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 07:11:06 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 07:16:15 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-139-134.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:50 *** Patrick [pitt2@pandora.retrosnub.co.uk] has left #openttd [This channel has been garbage collected] 07:41:23 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-252.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:49:28 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-162-252.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:50:01 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-142.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:53:31 *** vraa [~vraa@h29.167.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:55:56 *** vraa [~vraa@h29.167.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:31 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 08:33:01 <dihedral> could someone with access to the grf-crawler's db tell me, if there are duplicate grf id's? 08:52:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:52:32 *** PhoenixII [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:55:06 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:58:41 <petern> dihedral: oskar does not come to this channel 08:59:20 <dihedral> ok 08:59:39 <dihedral> do you know how i can get in touch with him? 09:01:10 <Ammler> dihedral: eis_os in tt-forums 09:01:21 <Ammler> or #tycoon 09:01:23 <dihedral> ah cool 09:01:25 <dihedral> thank you 09:01:37 <dihedral> petern: thank you too :-) 09:09:31 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FC75.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:41 <Rubidium> dihedral: there are duplicates 09:14:02 <dihedral> across different grf's or just across versions? 09:14:16 <Rubidium> different grfs 09:14:31 <Ammler> FFFFFFFF? 09:14:33 <dihedral> is that 'allowed'? i did think at some point grf id's were supposed to be unique 09:14:37 <Rubidium> czech road set v1.1 vs opengfx grphics replacement set r1 09:14:56 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067239.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15:41 <Rubidium> DSW-B80C(c)BeSt&RK vs RE160(c) BeSt-Com 2004 09:16:11 <dihedral> are they supposed to be able to be the same? 09:16:20 <dihedral> or did someone do something wrong 09:16:52 <Rubidium> I've got no idea, but there's no global list of what grf used what grf id, so it's quite easy to get duplicates 09:17:53 <dihedral> shame :-( 09:18:24 <Rubidium> Multi-Storey Car Park vs New Factory for TTD vs New large HQ 09:18:48 <Rubidium> New carriage for the temperate climate in TTD vs New helipad 2.0 09:19:15 <dihedral> that really sucks 09:20:21 <Ammler> wiki guide tells you to check on grfcrawler for existing ID 09:20:44 <Ammler> but specially newbies don't like to read or can't 09:20:48 <Rubidium> but grfcrawler doesn't contains all grfIDs I think 09:21:31 <Ammler> well, you just need to check the first 2 bytes, the rest is up2you 09:22:28 <Rubidium> I 'know' of at least 364 GRFIDs that are used 09:22:52 <Rubidium> and 592 unique GRFs 09:23:07 <Ammler> from Masteserver? 09:23:13 <Rubidium> yes 09:27:53 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-142.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:36 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-247.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 09:29:43 <petern> many of those will be updated versions of the same GRF. 09:33:08 <Rubidium> petern: if you're talking about the 592 being mostly updated versions, then yes you're right 09:34:05 <petern> sorry, wasn't aware i'd need to clarify that after 5 minutes... 09:34:28 <Ammler> 364 is quite a lot 09:34:48 <Ammler> our pack has only 30% then :-) 09:35:50 <Ammler> Rubidium: do you have names to the IDs? 09:44:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:25 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes, but my nternet is right now too slow to give the list to you. 09:47:35 <Rubidium> and slow means that I haven't had feedback on what I've writte yet since your questions 09:47:54 <Ammler> :-) 09:48:53 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-140-247.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:27 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has joined #openttd 09:49:40 <Ammler> did you determine that way which GRFID is double? 09:49:42 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes 09:58:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:30:37 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 10:33:18 <theholyduck> hmm.. i cant get this damned house looking right ;( 10:33:33 * theholyduck scraps it and tries again 10:33:48 <theholyduck> modeling a 32bpp version of airports is a pain 10:38:42 <petern> hmm, pc monitors now coming out at 1920x1080 resolution... 10:38:52 <petern> and cheap... 10:41:30 <petern> just wonder if the colour is as good as crts... 10:44:08 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:55:48 <theholyduck> petern, o 10:55:56 <theholyduck> i'd say MORE than good enough 10:56:05 <theholyduck> but then again crts always made my eyes hurt 10:56:08 <theholyduck> and lcd's didnt 10:56:15 <theholyduck> thus im a bit biased 10:57:53 <petern> refresh rate? heh 10:57:53 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-191-211.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:35 <ln> lcd's or lcds? 11:03:54 <petern> technically either but without is preferred these days 11:09:46 <china> who-ever uploaded wall-e would be happy by now. 11:09:48 <china> :-3 11:13:51 <petern> hmm? 11:15:04 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:47 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229070053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:23:14 <planetmaker> [11:44] <petern> just wonder if the colour is as good as crts... <-- read a week ago a comparative test of some. Some monitors got quite good ratings. 11:25:13 <petern> yes, some are better than others 11:25:25 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:33:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:53:04 *** Antdovu1 [~Otinn@vpn2-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 11:58:30 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:59:01 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229070053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 12:01:58 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 12:04:02 <theholyduck> petern, well not just refreshrate. even the high refreshrate ones gave me pain 12:04:19 <theholyduck> if you DONT look directly at a crt you can see the shimering 12:04:30 <theholyduck> and since i use 3 monitors on my desktop.. 12:04:44 <theholyduck> not looking directly into them is a common event 12:05:04 <theholyduck> thus i dont use crt's. 12:05:20 <Antdovu1> adjust your eyes' refresh rate 12:06:01 <china> :o 12:06:07 <petern> well 12:06:16 <china> :O 12:06:24 <petern> modern lcds flicker a bit anyway 12:06:27 <petern> with the dithering 12:06:36 <petern> different sort of flicker, but still tehre 12:06:40 <theholyduck> petern, i never noticed my lcd's flicker though :P 12:06:42 <theholyduck> well rather 12:06:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:06:46 <theholyduck> not in anyway that annoys me 12:06:55 <theholyduck> and as a person with like half a million eye problems allready 12:07:08 <theholyduck> i dont wanna use anything that feels bad for my eyes :D 12:07:26 <petern> someone just needs to make an lcd with full 24 bpp support... 12:07:33 * theholyduck has no depth perception. and massivly nearsighted. 12:10:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:11:23 *** Antdovu1 [~Otinn@vpn2-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:31 <Tefad> LCDs do flicker 12:12:36 <Tefad> and it isn't always because of dithering 12:12:52 <Tefad> liquid crystals do not operate on DC. you have to apply AC to them. 12:13:32 <theholyduck> your lights in the ceiling flickers to. 12:13:33 <theholyduck> well depending 12:13:35 <theholyduck> obviously 12:13:40 <theholyduck> but its not like you notice 12:14:37 <Tefad> incandesent bulbs flicker at 100 or 120Hz depending on your grid 12:15:20 <theholyduck> Tefad, well the POINT i was trying to make. is that crts flicker in a way that i can see when im not looking directly at them 12:15:30 <theholyduck> though as long as i look straight at them i wont notice 12:17:27 <Tefad> yes, your peripheral vision is more sensitive to flicker 12:17:42 <Tefad> foveal not as much 12:17:48 <Tefad> but each person is different 12:17:55 <petern> designed for picking up movement, heh 12:18:04 <Tefad> also when you're tired, your eye is more sensntive to flicker overall 12:21:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8136F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:24:29 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:24 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:35:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.186.173] has joined #openttd 12:42:29 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 12:54:57 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@93-172-246-57.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #openttd 12:55:34 <vvv444> Hi all! 12:55:41 <SmatZ> hello 12:56:10 <vvv444> I tried trams today and noticed some behavior that seems strange. 12:57:36 <vvv444> I took a small town that I wanted to make grow. So I created a circular tram way in it to transport passangers around. 12:57:50 <vvv444> When I did such things with buses it worked. 12:58:26 <vvv444> (Yeah, I know that's not a very smart thing to do at 1st place... But it was an experiment) 12:58:50 <Ammler> trams are like buses 12:59:35 <vvv444> However, the result of running trams was surprising. The town population started shrinking instead of growing although almost all available passangers were transported (from town info window) 13:00:24 <vvv444> What happened was that town started removing buildings near tram ways and didn't found new ones. 13:01:09 <vvv444> Insted it started growing lots of new roads. It seems as the game doesn't treat tram ways as normal roads for town growing algorithm! 13:01:26 <planetmaker> tram ways are not roads. 13:01:38 <planetmaker> but road can have tram ways on top of them. 13:01:56 <vvv444> planetmaker: These were roads with tramways 13:02:37 <vvv444> Is it a known/intended behaviour? Or should I debug it? 13:04:04 <planetmaker> I have once seen something similar. But towns population may fluctuate. If too many random roads bother you, choose a better road layouts for towns :) 13:05:13 <vvv444> planetmaker: hmm, it doesn't seem as a fluctuation. I'll debug it and update you. 13:05:28 <planetmaker> update the devs, not me :P 13:05:29 <vvv444> Town approx halved its population 13:05:41 <vvv444> I'll just write it here :) 13:05:46 <planetmaker> :) 13:06:22 <vvv444> "you" is a collective word :) 13:08:02 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:08:47 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 13:11:42 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:14:50 *** Antdovu1 [~Otinn@vpn2-011.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:15:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FC75.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:48 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:19:46 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:56 *** Antdovu1 is now known as Antdovu 13:21:50 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229083104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:31 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 13:29:56 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:24 <petern> regarding lcds flickering... 13:41:47 <petern> why does a dither pattern on the screen (i.e. individual static pixels) cause flicker? 13:42:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:43:00 <Tefad> be sure it's a dithering pattern before calling it such 13:43:28 *** TinoM [~Tino@i53873F91.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:43:35 <Tefad> and check out this site: http://www.techmind.org/lcd/ 13:44:12 <Tefad> it has list of test images (some will flicker at 30-40Hz so be warned if you're sensitive to flickering lights) 13:45:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:45:36 <petern> i know what a dithering pattern is :P 13:45:54 <petern> it's a windows desktop with a single colour background, but in 8bpp 13:46:04 <petern> so it's dithered it to try to match what it should be... 13:46:20 <Tefad> i see. there's other types of dithering that apply to single pixels 13:46:43 <Tefad> some LCDs can only display 6bits per channel or so, and will dither temporally to compensate 13:46:53 <Tefad> the dithering you're talking about is spatial 13:47:10 <petern> yes, i know. that's the dithering i referred to earlier. 13:47:29 <petern> heh 13:47:39 <petern> the rgb subpixel dot-inversion image really makes my screen flicker :) 13:47:39 <Tefad> yup yup. slight misconception 13:48:10 <Tefad> that's what i have at work 13:48:27 <Tefad> though the response rate isn't quite high enough for me to notice casually. i have to focus to see it 13:48:35 <petern> the line paired inversion doesn't flicker, but *does* mess up my eyes... 13:48:40 <Tefad> lol 13:49:10 <Tefad> my laptop also has some flickering but similar to that i get at work 13:49:18 <petern> row-inversion, that is, not dot-inversion 13:49:31 <Tefad> and older laptop had row inversion which made me think the screen was interlaced 13:49:36 <Tefad> (which it almost emulates) 13:49:36 <petern> *nod* 13:50:00 <Tefad> most cheapo screens have row or line paired row patterns 13:50:10 <Tefad> some are rotated 90 deg so it looks like columns ; ) 13:50:44 <Tefad> and others still are rotated 90deg but sub pixels are also rotated 90deg... 13:51:00 <Tefad> which effectively turns it into column inversion 13:51:22 <Tefad> i think the smaller EeePC screens have that 13:51:52 <petern> heh, crosstalk 2 & 3 are visible for me 13:52:05 <petern> hmm, and crosstalk 1 slightly 13:54:26 <Tefad> no crosstalk on my CRT 13:54:30 <Tefad> but i can't see the pixels anyway 13:54:43 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:54:44 <Tefad> KVM fudges the signal a little 13:54:55 <Tefad> plus i'm hitting the bandwidth limitation of the cable that came with the CRT 13:55:19 <petern> heh 13:55:22 <Tefad> (i get ghosting and other stupid crap with direct connection, at high res) 13:55:31 <petern> my monitors are 1024x768, so no problem there 13:55:34 <Tefad> oh, pff 13:55:51 <Tefad> also if you have analog cable to LCD be sure to properly configure the sync 13:56:07 <Tefad> http://www.techmind.org/lcd/dotinv.html good page to sync against 13:56:30 <petern> auto seems to work well enough 13:56:38 <Tefad> i mean auto on that page 13:56:47 <Tefad> i don't manually sync unless auto is busted 13:57:19 <petern> ah 13:57:39 <Tefad> every-other-pixel is good pattern for auto to lock onto 13:57:43 <Antdovu> Line-paired row-inversion is crazy... 13:58:39 <Tefad> people thought i was crazy when i said LCDs flicker 13:58:58 <Tefad> now i just throw this page at them and a big STFU. 13:59:03 <Antdovu> focusing on it and then looking away makes it feel like there was something weird in the air... 14:00:05 <Antdovu> I suggest sending that page to someone who is drunk 14:01:17 <theholyduck> argh 14:01:21 <theholyduck> contacts are so annoying 14:01:27 <theholyduck> you have to change them every 12 hours or so 14:01:33 <theholyduck> because your eyes dry out 14:01:57 <Tefad> there are breatheable ones 14:02:07 <theholyduck> Tefad, well yeah 14:02:10 <theholyduck> to some degree 14:02:12 <Tefad> hmm too many e's 14:02:25 <theholyduck> the silicone ones can be used for a month in 1 go 14:02:37 <theholyduck> but they still dry you out a bit 14:02:47 <theholyduck> and are way thicker than dailies 14:02:57 <theholyduck> and doesnt work well if you rub your eyelids alot 14:03:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:04 <theholyduck> thus i dont use them :P 14:03:31 <theholyduck> point being. contacts is a major pain in the arse 14:03:36 <theholyduck> and if i COULD use glasses i would 14:03:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:04:56 <Tefad> you don't like glasses? 14:05:07 <theholyduck> Tefad, i physically cant use them 14:05:13 <Tefad> ah. 14:05:14 <theholyduck> my eyes are defective in so many ways :P 14:05:20 <theholyduck> glasses would make me see double 14:05:23 <Tefad> interesting 14:05:37 <theholyduck> Tefad, well i was born with 1 eye looking way to the side 14:05:45 <Tefad> got it 14:05:47 <theholyduck> then got surgery on it :P 14:05:51 <theholyduck> to adjust the muscles 14:05:58 <theholyduck> when i was like 4 or so 14:06:02 <Tefad> i am quite nearsighted 14:06:11 <Tefad> glasses give me very weird depth of field 14:06:16 <Tefad> everything looks like a 2d cutout 14:06:32 <theholyduck> Tefad, well everything always looks like a 2d cutout for me :P 14:06:39 <theholyduck> my brain never learned depth perception 14:06:48 <Tefad> interesting 14:07:12 <theholyduck> Tefad, well back when i was little it was more of an annoyance 14:07:15 <theholyduck> i couldnt pick things up 14:07:20 <theholyduck> sucked at sports. 14:07:20 <theholyduck> etc 14:07:33 <theholyduck> though its not like you cant live without depth perception 14:08:11 <Tefad> when i got my prescription changed when i was younger, each time my depth perception took a while to adjust to new lenses 14:08:33 <Tefad> a lot of depth perception has to do with seeing double 14:09:04 <Tefad> the rest is how much your eyes stretch the lense to focus on an object 14:09:05 <theholyduck> Tefad, well the seeing double with glasses thingy is due to my right eye being farsighted and my left eye being nearsighted 14:09:31 <Tefad> (stretch the lense in your eye) 14:09:45 <Tefad> perhaps i mean to say lens 14:09:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:11:51 <theholyduck> im glad i live in the computer age. 14:12:04 <theholyduck> though the introduction of 3d monitors is going to screw me over sometime in the future 14:12:12 <theholyduck> im going to be all like 14:12:13 <Tefad> doh 14:12:33 <theholyduck> "back in my day we only had 2 dimensions on our computer X and Y 14:12:34 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FCD2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:39 <theholyduck> and we didnt always have y" 14:12:44 <theholyduck> "NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!" 14:13:04 <Tefad> stay out of my azaleas! 14:13:21 <theholyduck> im allready looking forward to becomming a old bitter man 14:13:26 <Tefad> lol 14:13:31 <theholyduck> that can talk about how much better life was in the olden days 14:14:03 <Tefad> yeah back in the old days it took an hour to download ONE MP3!! and to play it back used over half of the computer's resources! 14:14:36 <Tefad> and you could only put about 100 songs on your computer before you ran out of space 14:14:51 <Tefad> mm yeah.. the good ol' days 14:15:03 <Tefad> then there's the era before that 14:15:34 <theholyduck> we only had 64k of ram! 14:15:35 <Tefad> BBSs remote terminals 14:15:39 <theholyduck> but it was enough to go to the moon! 14:15:43 <theholyduck> IT WAS ENOUGH FOR ME! 14:16:07 <Tefad> didn't the amiga have like.. 64K and a full GUI? 14:16:47 <theholyduck> err wait. i think the first machines and the moon landing stuff had 32k 14:16:51 <theholyduck> come to think of it 14:17:23 <theholyduck> the apple 2 and the appollo rocket both had 32k of ram :P 14:17:55 <Tefad> heh 14:18:04 <Tefad> i think they used core memory back then 14:18:34 <theholyduck> hmm 14:18:38 <theholyduck> is the openttd wiki down? 14:18:43 <Tefad> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core_memory 14:19:10 <theholyduck> i was trying to take another look at that airport im modeling 14:19:19 <theholyduck> and the wiki is down :P 14:19:32 <Antdovu> it looks like it is down 14:19:50 <Antdovu> still responds to ping though 14:20:13 <Antdovu> faster than google... 14:22:02 <Antdovu> anyone know where the server should be located? 14:23:07 <theholyduck> actually. i think its time to go to sleep 14:23:07 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051118111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:13 <theholyduck> i havent slept for 24h's :O 14:23:25 <theholyduck> i have this tendency to get way to absorbed in doing something... 14:25:12 <Antdovu> try 48h next time? ;) 14:26:12 <theholyduck> Antdovu, i once sat up 56h's 14:26:17 <theholyduck> doing pretty much one thing 14:26:24 <theholyduck> and another time i was up 72h on a bet 14:26:29 <theholyduck> but still 14:26:32 <theholyduck> i shuold really go to bed 14:26:35 <Antdovu> what did you do? 14:26:51 <theholyduck> Antdovu, 3d modeling :) 14:26:56 <Antdovu> :D 14:27:01 <theholyduck> i just got this "surge of inspiration" 14:27:09 <theholyduck> and good ideas kept popping into my head 14:27:12 <theholyduck> so i just rolled with it 14:27:33 <Antdovu> being awake for too long makes people look better :P 14:27:38 <Antdovu> kind of like being drunk 14:28:07 <theholyduck> well it works in alot of the same ways on your brain 14:28:11 <theholyduck> hallucinations and everything 14:28:22 <theholyduck> co-ordinationloss 14:28:33 <theholyduck> difficulty doing math 14:28:34 <theholyduck> etc 14:29:27 <Antdovu> yeah, after the one time when I noticed that I liked the people around me significantly more when very sleepy, I have been trying to avoid it :P 14:30:56 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:30:57 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:32:09 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-84-254.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:32:56 * davis- hi 14:44:26 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 14:48:46 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8b3.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:02:52 *** vraa [~vraa@h29.167.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:04:52 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:07:14 <vvv444> What is the reason for "Allow drive-through road stops on town-owned roads" option? What is the reason for disabling it? 15:08:56 <benjamingoodger> well, in some real-life situations, towns do not allow people to randomly install bus stops on their roads without permission 15:09:56 <vvv444> hmm, You think it's the only reason? The realism? 15:10:15 <benjamingoodger> possibly... 15:10:25 <benjamingoodger> either realism or masochism... 15:10:35 <benjamingoodger> those two usually cover most options in OTTD 15:10:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:10 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4C15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:10 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 15:13:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:20:17 <SmatZ> vvv444: also, town-index is not stored... so after removing the roadstop, the road will belong to nearest town (not the town that owned the road before)... though usually it will be the same town 15:22:38 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 15:23:36 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 15:23:47 <china> Ratio: 0.689 15:23:51 <china> oh 15:23:52 <china> .. 15:23:53 <china> wrong channel. 15:24:02 <china> excuse me. 15:24:23 <benjamingoodger> :) 15:25:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 15:27:58 * china ^5 sh 15:28:16 <benjamingoodger> ? 15:31:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm251.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:35:44 *** vraa [~vraa@h29.167.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 15:51:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:56:20 *** George [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:47 <china> benjamingoodger: never mind me. im having major problems connecting my circuits to reality server. 15:59:12 <benjamingoodger> ah, norrkoping syndrome 15:59:40 <benjamingoodger> (joke) 16:00:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:00:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:02:52 <china> haha 16:03:38 <ln> your having major problems? 16:04:09 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 16:04:22 <ln> or which one is a better match for "im", "your" or "ur"? 16:05:37 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 16:05:54 <china> .. 16:06:32 <benjamingoodger> all hail the national socialist philologist workers' party, led by the Leader, ln 16:07:10 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228012187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:35 <benjamingoodger> Ich komme meine Leader, der Lehrer Grammatikalische 16:09:34 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:11:25 <davis-> o_O 16:13:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:11 <ln> benjamingoodger: let's keep in mind it was Churchill who reminded his generals about using proper grammar during WWII. 16:14:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051118111.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:20 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:14:42 <benjamingoodger> I invoke rule 39 16:15:31 <benjamingoodger> oh 16:15:32 <benjamingoodger> actually 16:15:37 <benjamingoodger> I invoke rule 6, godwin's law 16:15:42 <benjamingoodger> but rule 39 is good also 16:15:57 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B802B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:16:02 <Eddi|zuHause> he should have taught them german grammar :p 16:22:31 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:23:21 *** George [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 16:24:14 <benjamingoodger> english is more difficult to learn imo 16:24:43 <Vikthor> Since British generals managed to be on the winning side, and so were Russian, American, French and other, we can conclude that knowledge of German grammar is not necessary to win the war :p 16:25:15 <benjamingoodger> hmm 16:25:24 <benjamingoodger> well, it's debatable whether the french won... 16:25:55 <benjamingoodger> also, the cracking of Enigma (enabling us to more easily intercept German grammar) is said to have won us the war 16:26:25 <Vikthor> Sure they won just like Belgians, Norwegians and others 16:26:45 <benjamingoodger> and indo-china. 16:26:50 <benjamingoodger> ho hum 16:26:51 <ln> yeah... 16:26:58 <benjamingoodger> what an ugly conversation topic 16:27:09 <ln> to say Norwegian and French won is quite an exaggeration. 16:27:25 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:54 <benjamingoodger> meh, at least one good thing came out of WW2 16:28:05 <Vikthor> well Britain wouldn't have won alone 16:28:19 <benjamingoodger> debatable 16:28:20 <Vikthor> even Russia needed some help 16:28:26 <ln> Vikthor: but the countries you mentioned didn't contribute to the win. 16:28:35 <benjamingoodger> but the French had already lost when the Americans joined in ¬.¬ 16:28:35 <Vikthor> it was collective effort 16:29:11 <Vikthor> ln: That's debatable had they full cooperated with Germans it would not be so easy 16:29:38 <benjamingoodger> it was, to a great extent, the dropping of fission weapons on Japan that won the war 16:29:45 <Vikthor> btw. foreign pilots were quite important for RAF during battle of Britain 16:30:59 <Vikthor> benjamingoodger: no, by that time war was already decided, it was just matter of how many American lifes would invasion into Japan cost, not if it was going to be succesful 16:31:39 <benjamingoodger> I'm not saying it was a good thing 16:31:53 <benjamingoodger> people are still suffering the effects of it 16:32:28 <benjamingoodger> it smacks of childishness to me 16:32:57 <ln> dropping fission ended the war in Japan, but it didn't affect Europe directl 16:33:00 <ln> y 16:34:13 <ln> someone has speculated that without the nucular weapons the US would have been fighting Japan until the 50's. 16:34:22 <benjamingoodger> not bloody likely 16:34:29 <benjamingoodger> the japanese were starving already 16:34:40 <benjamingoodger> surrender was days or weeks away 16:34:47 <De_Ghosty> more like months 16:35:00 <benjamingoodger> "aw, hell, let's drop the nuke to show 'em we mean business" 16:35:06 <Vikthor> sure Japan by that time had no acces to oil 16:35:07 <De_Ghosty> the nuke was just bearly in range of a lancaster 16:35:16 <De_Ghosty> and they had to ditch the lancaster after the drop 16:35:30 <Vikthor> it wasn't Lancaster 16:35:39 <De_Ghosty> well some long range bomber 16:35:40 <Vikthor> it was B-29 16:36:28 <ln> benjamingoodger: btw, did you read about those two Japanese soldiers who were found (alive) from a distant island in 2003 or so? 16:36:48 <benjamingoodger> nope 16:36:57 <ln> they didn't know the war had ended. 16:36:59 <benjamingoodger> aha 16:37:08 <benjamingoodger> there was a similar british man in the 70s 16:37:20 <benjamingoodger> ...wait 16:37:32 <benjamingoodger> 2003!? 16:37:44 <benjamingoodger> god, that's inconceivable 16:39:33 *** Zorn [zorn@g224107206.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:34 <benjamingoodger> "On July 11, the Allied leaders met in Potsdam, Germany. They ... reiterated the demand for unconditional surrender by Japan, specifically stating that "the alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction". When Japan continued to reject the Potsdam terms, the United States dropped atomic bombs on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in early August. On August 15, 1945 Japan surrendered, ending the war 16:39:34 <benjamingoodger> ." 16:40:30 <benjamingoodger> "reject our terms, will they? this'll show 'em" 16:40:48 *** Zorn [zorn@f054001004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:19 <ln> but well, testing nucular weapons in action was unavoidable. someone would have done it somewhere. 16:41:36 <benjamingoodger> that doesn't excuse it 16:42:32 <benjamingoodger> to say that Hitler was a natural result of the treaty of versailles doesn't excuse his actions either 16:43:04 <benjamingoodger> fortunately, Europe is now in a position of solid and well-grounded peace and collaboration 16:43:35 <benjamingoodger> so now that we've stopped trying to kill each other, we can concentrate on killing Arabs 16:43:38 <benjamingoodger> :( 16:44:33 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:34 <Prof_Frink> ln: You're not an american president. It's spelt "Nuclear". 16:44:53 <benjamingoodger> Prof_Frink: I think he's being ironic 16:45:11 <benjamingoodger> in fact, there is a type of subatomic particle featured in my novel named a "nucule" 16:46:15 <ln> Prof_Frink: we can discuss about that when you are elected to the white house. 16:46:18 <benjamingoodger> its discoverer was one Georgina Arbet 16:46:46 <benjamingoodger> heh 16:57:31 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:58:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:01:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590febb5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:02:06 <yorick> does a CMD_COMPANY_CTRL with p1=0 and p2=1 make any sense if I just joined a player with a new company with id 5? 17:02:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B802B6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:03:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:04:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:06:24 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:10:57 <Antdovu> does anyone here like how timetables work? 17:14:28 <benjamingoodger> frankly, no 17:14:33 <benjamingoodger> but I can't see a better solution 17:14:50 *** Jango [~daniel@78-86-166-80.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:30 <Antdovu> I am trying to make a greedy version of it 17:15:52 <Antdovu> not completely sure that it will make much sense 17:16:51 <Antdovu> idea: leave station when fully loaded or when waiting time is up, whichever comes sooner 17:17:48 <Antdovu> this creates a situation in which you will be likely to arrive early in the next station 17:18:42 <Antdovu> so a further change is needed: wait only in stations where you are loading cargo 17:19:32 <Antdovu> does anyone see a logical error in this? 17:20:09 <Antdovu> will it create any ridiculous situations? 17:22:23 <benjamingoodger> well, the current timetabling system is designed to make trains be at a certain place at a certain time 17:23:04 <benjamingoodger> so having them leave when they're full would defeat the purpose somewhat 17:23:16 <benjamingoodger> methinks just copying the thing from rollercoaster tycoon would be better... 17:24:50 <Antdovu> how does it work there? 17:26:06 <benjamingoodger> there's a series of tickboxes 17:26:46 <benjamingoodger> "maximum wait time", "minimum wait time", "leave when another train arrives at station", "wait for: full/half/quarter/any load" etc 17:28:29 *** mikl [~mikl@4003ds5-vbr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:31:13 <Antdovu> this seems reasonable 17:31:20 <Antdovu> what were the problems with it? 17:32:11 <benjamingoodger> well, it's not necessarily applicable to TTD in the same way 17:32:26 <benjamingoodger> but the main problem is that it's over three years newer than TTD 17:33:14 <benjamingoodger> sorry, that's four years 17:34:17 <Antdovu> how is the age difference a problem? 17:35:51 <ln> if someone is four years younger than TTD, that's not legal age in most countries. 17:36:01 <benjamingoodger> it just means that it wasn't included in TTD 17:37:26 <Antdovu> well, we have openttd which is still being developed ;) 17:37:39 <benjamingoodger> yes 17:37:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:53 <benjamingoodger> it may make it into OTTD at some point, hopefully 17:38:26 <Antdovu> rephrase my question: what were the implementation/logical problems with it? 17:39:04 <benjamingoodger> none that I found 18:01:32 <yorick> .back 18:02:17 <Belugas> front. 18:02:25 <Antdovu> pop_back() 18:03:12 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:11:44 <yorick> what's the exact meaning of p2 in CMD_COMPANY_CTRL when p1 = 0? 18:16:41 *** paul_ [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:16:59 <Belugas> that the game will crash in 10 seconds 18:19:35 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-168-197-97.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:03 <benjamingoodger> :) 18:22:03 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:29 <Belugas> yorick: i really wonder where you would look to find out... 18:24:43 <Belugas> i really wonder if you wold even search where to find out 18:25:47 <yorick> "create a new company, Which company (network) it will be is in p2" 18:26:11 <yorick> and then the opposing "ClientID of the newly created client" 18:27:53 <frosch123> Try to change the code in a way, so it does not need the value. Then you do not have to bother any longer, what it meaning was. 18:28:38 <yorick> frosch123, you rejected the patch that would have made it possible some time ago 18:28:48 <yorick> I won't try to do that again 18:29:00 <frosch123> I rejected a patch? 18:29:15 <frosch123> I doubt that, as that would mean I would have looked a it. 18:30:22 <yorick> no, you as a plural 18:31:51 <Belugas> i think he means the one who exposed the client number, or something like that 18:33:18 <yorick> ^ 18:35:14 <Belugas> so, now, it seems you do kow the answer to your question, yorick :) congratulations 18:35:38 <yorick> Belugas: no, I still don 18:35:40 <yorick> t 18:36:04 <yorick> is it "company (network)" or ClientID of the newly created client (you can create a client?) 18:37:39 <Belugas> in the code (from a quick search) i could only find 1 instance of the copmmand where p1 was at zero. 18:37:41 <Belugas> look there :) 18:38:39 <yorick> cp->p2 = cs - _clients;? 18:38:57 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-011.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:46 <yorick> cid = requested company/company of joining client <-- ? 18:46:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:48:53 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h191.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:37 *** vraa [~vraa@h29.167.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:51:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host24-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:51:59 <Wolf01> hello 18:53:38 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B4C15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:54:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:30 <ln> hello Wolf01 19:00:43 <Wolf01> hello ln 19:14:12 <yorick> 00020411100000000001000000837b000000005bf0010008 <-- this is the value for a command packet, but it seems wrong 19:14:27 <yorick> because the last byte should be a bool, and this one clearly isn't 19:17:00 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:20:52 <Wolf01> why not? false = 0 and true <> 0 :D 19:22:31 <yorick> because true = 1 and false = 0 19:23:21 <Wolf01> then false = 0, true != false 19:23:34 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:32 <yorick> this->Send_uint8(data ? 1 : 0); 19:24:33 <yorick> no 19:26:52 *** Tilly14 [~BlueEagle@93-125-195-225.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 19:27:15 *** Tilly14 is now known as BlueEagle_NL 19:39:35 *** BlueEagle_NL [~BlueEagle@93-125-195-225.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [] 19:46:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:49 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you have the nibbles reversed? 19:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or you're looking at the wrong byte? 19:54:18 <ccfreak2k> Delicious endianness. 19:58:43 *** Brianett1 [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:09:12 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 20:13:37 *** Brianett1 [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:21:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-182-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:21:52 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:48 <rortom> hiya 20:24:21 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@62.41.28.37] has joined #openttd 20:26:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm251.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: megahurtz] 20:32:41 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@85.19.218.49] has joined #openttd 20:42:54 *** questionmark [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:43:25 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:12 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:40 <vvv444> hey 20:48:51 <vvv444> Is there any tametable development going on? 20:49:03 <vvv444> *timetable (I mean advanced features) 20:49:42 * davis- shrugs 20:49:44 *** yorick is now known as Guest3268 20:49:44 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 20:49:49 *** Guest3268 [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:07 *** yorick [~yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:51:40 <Aali> vvv444: plenty, check out ITiM 21:02:24 <ln> Volkswagen Kleinbus in Star Trek Voyager \o/ 21:06:17 <rortom> o_O 21:08:20 <davis-> . 21:08:31 <mrfrenzy> indeed 21:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> tom paris did have a faible for "old" cars 21:10:58 <rortom> ah ;) 21:13:34 <ln> they are on earth 21:13:45 <ln> los angeles 21:16:27 <Wolf01> that should be the episode where the doctor was kidnapped 21:16:54 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229083104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 21:24:40 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:29:51 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:15 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:31:41 <Wolf01> hi 21:42:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:45:05 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:51:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:12 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 21:55:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590febb5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-a4fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:57:46 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 21:58:09 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [] 21:58:24 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 22:02:03 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:06:03 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest3275 22:06:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 22:09:55 *** Guest3275 [~wolf01@host24-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:53 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:13:25 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet633.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:14:59 *** TinoM [~Tino@i53873F91.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:23:29 *** vvv444 [~vvv444@93-172-246-57.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [] 22:23:39 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:07 <Wolf01> 'night 22:31:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host230-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:12 <Sacro> so yeah, OpenTTD is using 580MiB RAM 22:39:54 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 22:42:59 <Qball> Sacro: so no runny on my netbook :( 22:43:00 <Qball> damn 22:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what they invented swap for... 22:43:44 <Qball> on those horrid ssd's 22:43:45 <Qball> good god 22:44:00 * Qball dislikes his netbook for that 22:44:06 <Sacro> i have 2GB of ram 22:44:13 <Sacro> and a 8096^2 map 22:44:22 <Prof_Frink> I have my swap partition on a ramdisk. 22:44:25 <Qball> that is absurd large 22:44:49 <Qball> swapiness=0 22:44:51 <Qball> I normally do 22:44:58 <Qball> or no swap 22:45:28 <Zuu> As my battery is flat already on my laptop I replaced the harddrive with a 7200 rpm disk, when I upgraded the harddrive last time. 22:46:07 <Qball> my thinkpad (big laptop) has 7200rpm disk.. and I love it 22:46:28 <Zuu> So, while the 7200 rpm drains the battery faster, it did only make 10 minutes on the battery before, so not much of a lose :) 22:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: when the ramdisk is on a network drive, that'd make perfect sense ;) 22:48:30 <SmatZ> interesting ... two almost same PCs ... both AMD 2400+, one 512MB RAM + GF 6600, second 1024MB + GF7600GT + 2HDD ... the first draws (under load) ~(170 + 80)Watts, the second (more powerful) ~(60 + 60)Watts (PC + monitor) 22:48:57 <Qball> 2nd is lot less 22:49:05 <Qball> better psu? 22:49:10 <SmatZ> I am really impressed by those 60Watts draw by PC with Barton (and unimpressed by those 170Watts by PC with Thoroughbred) 22:49:16 <SmatZ> Qball: interesting question 22:49:32 <Qball> mine here puls around 150 including 2 17" crt's and usb hub and dvb reciever 22:49:49 <Qball> core 2 duo with a 8500GT + 2 sata disk 22:50:03 <SmatZ> I bought some "80+ eff" PSUs, and they draw ~10Watts, even when the switch (that 1/0 switch at the back of PC) is set to 0 :-p 22:50:08 <Zuu> Haven't measured that, as electricty is included in the rent :) 22:50:50 <SmatZ> Qball: mine tops to ~170 Watts (1 CRT, AMD X2) 22:51:08 <SmatZ> I wonder why I have 300W+ PSUs everywhere 22:51:16 <Qball> peeak 22:51:31 <SmatZ> Zuu: the electricity is still more and more expensive :( 22:51:35 <Qball> and cheap psu's have a habit of having rails 22:52:17 <Zuu> Yea, it is, and it would be good if electricity was on the bill, because then more people would care about keeping their usage down. 22:52:38 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 22:52:55 <Zuu> Well, we have to pay it, but you just pay the average use in your building or so. 22:52:59 <SmatZ> Zuu: yeah, I agree :) but I am really upset when the management has vages of over 30 mil euro / year :-x 22:53:47 <SmatZ> everyone in this republic paid ~200Euro / year for the main manager ... 22:54:51 <Zuu> At least with the finance crisis, the goverments put some more demands on the crisis companies to lower their bonuses to receive help... 22:56:07 <Zuu> 200 Euro / Year and person is awfully alot.. 22:57:04 <dihedral> oi 22:57:08 <Qball> oi 22:57:21 <SmatZ> oi 22:57:42 <SmatZ> errr ... not oi... isn't it nacistic greeting? 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"Because some fans of Oi! were involved in white nationalist organisations such as the National Front and the British Movement, some histories of rock music dismiss Oi! as racist." 22:59:50 <SmatZ> that's where is my mental connection from :) 23:00:06 <Qball> aah 23:00:15 <Qball> hoi == hey oi is for lazy bums 23:00:42 <SmatZ> :) 23:12:33 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:26:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:13 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h191.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:44:12 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 23:55:19 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:57:04 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 23:59:06 *** vraa [~vraa@h191.182.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd