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00:00:33 <Antdovu> 8 seconds ought to be enough for smoke signals... 00:02:30 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:02:39 <Antdovu> welshdragon: does your ISP use IP over Avian Carriers by any chance? 00:03:36 <Gekz> lol 00:04:01 <welshdragon> ask Sacro 00:04:37 <Rubidium> Antdovu: only RFC2549 ;) 00:04:45 <Aali> some routers make a habit of reseting random connections when overloaded 00:04:49 <Aali> mine included :/ 00:11:03 <Nite_Owl> Dinner is served - later all 00:11:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:16:20 <Aali> hmm 00:17:12 <Aali> network_gui.cpp, on several lines "if (client_no < MAX_COMPANIES)" 00:17:23 <Aali> shouldn't that be MAX_CLIENTS or somesuch? 00:19:04 <Antdovu> wouldn't it be more useful to find a case where that causes something unexpected? 00:19:31 <Aali> i haven't had time to test it 00:19:59 <Aali> try to kick client 10 or something and see for yourself 00:20:29 <Aali> (it could still be wrong, even if it doesn't cause trouble) 00:21:57 <Antdovu> so you are saying that I can't kick client 10? 00:23:01 <Aali> once again, i haven't tested it 00:23:23 <Aali> and its gui code, so it shouldn't affect your ability to kick people from the console 00:32:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C20.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:53 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca97b0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 00:38:01 <DaleStan> Ammler: What string is NFORenum not liking? And in what context did you want to use it? Control code checking is one of the weakest and most fragile parts of NFORenum. 00:38:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.182.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:09 <Ammler> DaleStan: I liked to use small font in the description 00:39:18 <Ammler> 0E, iirc 00:39:25 <DaleStan> The description for ... 00:39:33 <Ammler> Action8 00:39:56 <DaleStan> Ah. I would say that that should work. 00:39:56 <Ammler> but ottd doesn't like it either 00:40:07 <DaleStan> Can you test in Patch? 00:40:30 <Ammler> yes, I could. 00:40:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:40 <Ammler> DaleStan: http://paste.openttd.org/176745 00:41:46 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14587 /trunk/src/ (oldloader.cpp saveload.h): -Cleanup: Fix some old comments. Bits are not bytes. 00:45:15 <Ammler> DaleStan: same problem 00:45:58 <Ammler> only the text after 0E is small, but the all linehights are small 00:46:04 <Ammler> so it looks quite ugly 00:47:27 <Ammler> http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/smallfont.png 00:48:09 <Ammler> in ottd only the description text is overlapping 00:48:17 <Ammler> in patch the whole, it seems. 00:48:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:21 <DaleStan> Given that, I suspect Patch draws the whole thing with a single text ("\n" with the two GRF strings on the stack) while Open uses two separate texts. 00:50:06 <Ammler> it doesn't matter, it is not useable for both apps in this case. 00:52:21 <Ammler> oh, patch is version 1860, quite old :-) 00:58:00 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca97b0.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:58 <Ammler> my workaround was to use 2 linefeeds (0D) 01:08:58 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h212.76.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:11 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:37:20 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:40:57 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-050.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:44:25 <Sacro> http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/make-table.cgi?collection=joplin&preview=1 <- free openttd musics? 01:57:53 <ln> Sacro: I don't know how did you happen to find such a collection, but it's great! 01:58:02 <Sacro> ln: reddit 01:58:13 <Sacro> also <3 classical music 01:58:14 * Sacro is now playing: Griegg - Cencerto For Piano And Orchestra In A Minor OP 16 01:58:59 <ln> It's even quite much TTD-style music. 01:59:07 <Sacro> Yeah 01:59:15 <Sacro> wel 01:59:20 <Sacro> some of those tracks are in LoMo 02:00:21 <ln> oh 02:00:26 <Sacro> we can either a) use the midi files 02:00:38 <Sacro> or b) timidity and freepats them into ogg files 02:00:43 <Sacro> oh? 02:00:52 <ln> oh for the LoMo comment 02:01:05 <Sacro> yeah, iirc LoMo has some joplin 02:02:49 <ln> that's like the best freely distributable TTD-style music we're ever going to find, and it's in midi format. 02:03:03 <Sacro> I personally would use freepats and have it in ogg 02:03:25 <Sacro> want me to reboot into Linux and sample em? 02:03:29 <Sacro> see how good I can get them? 02:03:41 <Sacro> and perhaps get them into some kind of plan for 0.7.0 02:04:14 <ln> i'm currently playing those with timidity, but dunno what patterns it is using. 02:04:21 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:04:32 <Sacro> well in theory the music isn't copyrightable 02:04:36 <Sacro> but the perfomance is 02:04:48 <Sacro> so if i was to do them now inn windows, creative mihgt have something to say 02:04:52 <Sacro> with me using their soundfonts 02:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> surely composing sheet music is copyrightable 02:05:24 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but all that stuff is well out of date 02:05:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-110.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:05:37 <Sacro> joplin died in 1917 02:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll suffice in most countries, yes ;) 02:06:50 <ln> was it already 95 years in the US and A, or just going to be? 02:07:07 <Sacro> still 50 i htink 02:07:12 <Sacro> or perhaps 75 02:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll only affect new recordings anyway 02:07:52 <Sacro> yeah 02:07:56 <Sacro> well no 02:08:03 <Sacro> they wanted to increase it to cover old walt disney stuff 02:08:25 <Sacro> he died in 1966 02:08:33 <Sacro> so if it is 50 years it'd be PD by now 02:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll be legally highly questionable 02:08:56 <ln> aren't the *recordings* copyrights a little different than the other kind? 02:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, recordings are 50 years from the time of recording 02:09:16 <Sacro> "The claim that "pre-1923 works are in the public domain" is correct only for published works; unpublished works are under federal copyright for at least the life of the author plus 70 years." 02:09:42 <Sacro> ln: yes, we couldn't just use a pre-exisitng mp3 of his performance without permission 02:09:52 <Sacro> but we could however use his music to make our own 02:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: yes, because the laws at the date of publishing are under effect 02:09:59 <Sacro> ie using their midi file and freepats 02:10:09 <Eddi|zuHause> later laws cannot affect this publishment anymore 02:11:32 <ln> why not, when the time was increased from 50 to 70 over here, also the stuff already in kind-of-PD became copyrighted again 02:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause> once something gets into PD, it cannot get un-PD'ed anymore, it's the rule of the shorter term 02:12:40 <Eddi|zuHause> like you cannot revoke a license unless the license itself states that it can be revoked 02:15:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 02:16:56 <ln> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ScottJoplin.jpeg 02:22:03 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:22:11 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 02:22:28 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:22:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:37 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: thoughts? 02:25:42 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> what thoughts? 02:27:04 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: on the music 02:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not listened to the music 02:27:36 <Sacro> :( 02:32:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:33:26 <ln> here's one of them converted with timidity (unknown patterns): http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl3392/bethena.ogg 02:36:16 <Sacro> ln: not bad :) 02:36:24 <Sacro> bit honky-tonk though :\ 02:36:35 <welshdragon> hmm,l interesting 02:36:46 <ln> yeah it sounds synthesized at some points. 02:37:32 <welshdragon> is timidity a music composer? 02:37:40 <Sacro> welshdragon: no 02:37:42 <Sacro> synth 02:37:46 <welshdragon> aah 02:39:24 <welshdragon> - 02:41:22 <ln> software synthesizer 02:43:54 <ln> i remember seeing a web page about a DVD full of instrument sounds (for the purpose of synthsizing midi), price tag about 5000 â¬. 02:44:12 <ln> could have been more than one DVD. 02:50:31 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> there are even more expensive ones 02:58:50 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:00:18 *** FloSoft_ [~sifldoer@g230006124.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:00:18 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230005123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:12 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:06:51 *** Singaporekid is now known as C4t 04:08:41 *** keyweed_ [~keyweed@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 04:08:44 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:09:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:40 *** lobstar_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:09:48 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:36 *** keyweed [~keyweed@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:40 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:23:46 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 04:23:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:24:39 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:24:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 04:25:53 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 05:00:43 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 05:03:05 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:52 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 05:10:18 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 05:16:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F303.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:29:19 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:30:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 05:30:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 05:41:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 06:13:00 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:26:14 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 06:34:31 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:43 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:49 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-84-254.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:47:46 *** C4t [~notme@cm102.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:54:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:59:52 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:14:25 *** FloSoft_ is now known as FloSoft 08:18:04 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 08:19:59 <planetmaker> morning #openttd 08:41:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176228185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 09:00:57 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e176228185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:00:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176228185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 09:12:53 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 09:24:24 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:02 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:53:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... Tnoflahc, mraf ynnuf eht fo erac, 'Knip Dlo' ot rewsna ruoy dnes esaelp. Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 10:01:18 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 10:01:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 10:01:24 <Celestar> \o 10:03:39 * Celestar yells "HI" 10:05:06 <petern> HELLO THERE 10:05:10 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER GO... GOING!] 10:06:26 <Celestar> QUESTIONING ABOUT PETERS PHYSICAL AND MENTAL WELL-BEING 10:08:48 <petern> originality fail 10:09:21 *** fonso [~fonso@e178114166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:09:34 *** Zorni [zorn@e177113234.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:09:34 <Celestar> :( 10:09:43 <Celestar> how are you? :P 10:09:44 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:57 <yorick> should there be any oilrigs on lively rivers? 10:10:28 <Rubidium> I guess busy would describe it 10:13:24 *** Zorn [zorn@e177234030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:18 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:15:27 <petern> yorick: oilrigs, not necessarily. less specifically, industries, maybe... 10:16:12 <yorick> the problem with industries is that the rivers may dry up 10:16:21 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:16:57 <petern> and the industry would have to close 10:19:17 <yorick> and I need 4 bits for determining source and flow direction 10:19:44 * Celestar giggles 10:20:09 <Celestar> Welcome to #openttd! The world's biggest marketplace for single bits! 10:21:22 <yorick> why don't we just have a tile pool? 10:21:34 <yorick> :p 10:23:00 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:33:24 <Celestar> too easy? :) 10:43:47 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:45:25 *** yorick is now known as Guest3687 10:45:25 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 10:48:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B833F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:19 *** Guest3687 [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:56 <Celestar> hm offline for a week and 13 new planets have been discovered 11:10:37 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81779.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:10:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:10:48 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:18:57 <Celestar> :o including the first visible-light imaging of a extrasolar planet 11:23:19 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcf2a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:25:09 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 11:27:24 <planetmaker> hehe. Those images are amazing IMO. 11:27:38 <Celestar> yeah 11:27:41 <planetmaker> But more spectacular is IMO the system with 3 planets :) - though imaged in the IR. 11:27:47 <planetmaker> and hello Celestar :) 11:27:54 <Celestar> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45204000/jpg/_45204864_-32.jpg <= dis one? 11:27:58 <Celestar> hey planetmaker (= 11:29:05 <Celestar> I think the imaging for Fomalhaut b is nonetheless amazing, considering Hubble is about 20 years old. 11:29:21 <Celestar> we need the Ares V to build a proper space-based telescope :D 11:30:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 11:30:51 <planetmaker> probably. The real thing: http://exoplanet.eu/papers/exo_science.pdf 11:31:06 <planetmaker> hehe, yeah :) 11:31:07 <Celestar> there are plans for such a telescope. 11:31:25 <Celestar> it would be in the earth-trailing Lagrange point and have a mass of around 50 tons 11:31:31 <planetmaker> sure. There should. Hubble won't be around forever. 11:31:42 <Celestar> no, only until 2013 11:31:51 <Celestar> (hubble is around 11tons) 11:31:53 <planetmaker> well. It's been extended already a few times. 11:32:06 <planetmaker> Extended missions are quite common :) - luckily. 11:32:21 <Celestar> there will be the JWST soon, hubble's "official" successor 11:32:26 <Celestar> but it's IR only 11:33:07 <planetmaker> yep. Though that's more important as it cannot be done ground-based. 11:33:16 <Celestar> only half as heavy, but 5 times the collecting area 11:34:33 <Celestar> lovely. The JWST is estimated at about .5 billion. And the idiots of the ESA and its governments pay a whopping 300 million 11:34:48 <Celestar> the CSA adds a little and over 90% of the funding comes again from NASA 11:35:25 <Celestar> which means, again, that NASA will get 90% of the observation time 11:36:02 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:36:54 <planetmaker> yeah... it's a pain. 11:38:00 <Celestar> it's also interesting to notice that NASA does (apparently) more climate research than all over governments and non-profit orginazations taken together :) 11:38:34 <planetmaker> hehe. I don't know about that, and would rather doubt that. But it depends upon how you count, I guess. 11:38:39 <planetmaker> Any case, they do A LOT. 11:38:57 <Celestar> I wonder why research and education does not mean anything to our current political leadership 11:40:01 <Celestar> and pupils only whine about how much work they have do to 11:40:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:13 <Celestar> planetmaker: without NASA, it is likely that we would understand zero about climate changes, greenhouse gases and the ozone layer 11:41:16 <yorick> a SLOPE_SW is one with the top and right corner raised, right? 11:41:23 <planetmaker> well, yeah... science is not valued as much as it should. 11:41:39 <yorick> nvm 11:41:40 <planetmaker> Celestar: well, a lot less and not as much as now... 11:41:55 <Celestar> planetmaker: neither is education. 11:42:23 <Celestar> Bavaria has just removed things like the tangens and parametric functions from the "mathematical" education of its pupils. 11:43:27 <planetmaker> ups... that's bad. And then people in secondary school come and don't even recognize when they have to use a simple "Dreisatz". (what's that called in English?) 11:44:47 <Celestar> that includes their removal from so called "Leistungskurs" 11:44:48 <Celestar> :S 11:45:00 <planetmaker> :O ! 11:45:37 <yorick> cross-multiplication? 11:46:00 *** vraa [~vraa@h106.180.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:15 <planetmaker> that's something different. That's algebra... but we had it in school. Don't know about now... 11:46:45 <yorick> dreisatz seems to translate into it... 11:47:16 <planetmaker> Celestar: though the most important thing IMO, which is not taught properly, and wasn't at my time, is an understanding _how_ research works. 11:47:24 <Celestar> heh 11:47:25 <planetmaker> how science works. 11:47:28 <Celestar> that much is certain 11:47:54 <planetmaker> yorick: rule of three. 11:48:11 <Celestar> Loo-paper-computation 11:48:27 <planetmaker> or rule of proportion 11:48:38 <Celestar> "three rolls of loo paper cost 32 cents, how much are 7 rolls?" 11:48:50 <planetmaker> that kind of questions, exactly. 11:50:34 <Celestar> there are surprisingly few benchmarks about AMD's Shanghai processors out, really 11:51:49 *** vraa [~vraa@h60.166.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater45.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:49 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-065.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:13:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:17:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:42 <yorick> ooh, river got a path :) 12:19:26 <yorick> http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2lr5.png 12:24:48 *** DASPRiD [~dasprid@dasprids.de] has joined #openttd 12:37:10 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:51:40 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F83C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:55 <davis-> hi 12:52:40 <ln> hello 12:53:08 <ln> 'night 12:53:34 <davis-> :) 12:56:21 <planetmaker> He, you're creating rivers, Yorick? :) 12:56:30 <yorick> yes 12:56:58 <yorick> the one that automagically changes direction when obstructed 12:57:03 <planetmaker> sweet. Just creating? Or rivers which actually flow, if you interrupt them. 12:57:07 <planetmaker> nice. 12:57:51 <planetmaker> the difficult thing, though, is to maintain it ingame :) 12:57:54 <petern> that works quite well 12:58:02 <planetmaker> and to have it choose reasonable paths. 12:58:06 <petern> meandering river, rather than taking the shortest route 12:58:09 <yorick> the problem is that they keep flowing in to themselves 12:58:11 <planetmaker> you tested it, petern? 12:58:15 <petern> no 12:58:18 <planetmaker> :D 12:58:21 <yorick> it does no have to take the shortest route 12:58:34 <planetmaker> yorick: exactly that was my problem, too. 12:58:46 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:58 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:59:14 <yorick> not sure about a solution to that 13:00:45 <planetmaker> hehe :) 13:01:06 <planetmaker> Making rivers flow down is easy. To make it look nice - that is difficult. 13:01:30 <planetmaker> Do your rivers really heal ingame? 13:02:17 <yorick> if one blows a piece down, the hole will move downstream 13:03:39 <yorick> the piece next to it will dry up, it will get flooded by another piece 13:03:56 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater45.hku.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:02 <yorick> unless you destroy the starting piece 13:05:00 <Yexo> and what happens when I blow up 3 pieces in a row and level up the middle one? 13:05:15 <yorick> it will change path 13:06:06 <Yexo> nice :) 13:06:14 <Yexo> do you already have a working patch? 13:06:20 <Celestar> I hope that is EXPENSIVE to do (= 13:07:12 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 13:07:13 <yorick> not yet... 13:07:19 <yorick> I first need to give it proper flooding 13:07:32 <Antdovu> well, money is rarely an obstacle in openttd 13:07:44 <yorick> with a way to terraform things if it gets blocked 13:08:35 <Antdovu> will the rivers be only 1 tile wide? 13:08:52 <yorick> yes :/ 13:09:39 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 13:09:54 <yorick> hi Fantasya 13:09:57 <Fantasya> Hi 13:10:12 <Fantasya> yorick. Where to get copy/paste tool 512x512? 13:10:43 <yorick> somewhere on the forums... 13:10:59 <Yexo> does that one even exists? I thought copy/paste was limited to 64x64 13:11:17 <FloSoft> Yexo: its a constant in the patch -.- 13:11:22 <frosch123> it is used to paste whole ottdcoop savegames into your current game 13:11:59 <yorick> or to restore scenarios that were flattened 13:11:59 <frosch123> though I wonder whether it also pastes towns and vehicles 13:12:04 <yorick> nope... 13:12:14 <Antdovu> no stations either, right? 13:12:24 <FloSoft> right 13:12:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.208] has joined #openttd 13:13:02 <Fantasya> yorick, I can restore 512x512 just in 4 steps. Enable to do it by one step? 13:13:40 <yorick> is slow and memory-consuming 13:14:06 <Fantasya> huh 13:16:14 <yorick> about dry-ups 13:16:34 <yorick> what if there's something on the tile 13:16:38 <yorick> like a ship? 13:17:25 <Celestar> boom? 13:17:54 <yorick> ok, so you dry up some river somebody else is using and you can crash his ships? 13:18:14 <planetmaker> :D 13:18:25 <planetmaker> a nice new way of sabotage :) 13:18:35 <Aali> you could teleport it, or just leave it there to be "rescued" 13:18:44 <Antdovu> I'm sure that will "improve" multiplayer games 13:18:44 <Aali> but there's no good solution ;) 13:18:54 <Antdovu> push the ship downstream 13:19:06 <planetmaker> look at the Aral lake. You have that there in reality :) 13:19:09 <Yexo> even that will sabotage the route 13:19:22 <Aali> what if someone dynamites the river below? 13:19:35 <Antdovu> well, the only other option is to disallow deleting parts of rivers 13:19:54 <Yexo> or not moving down the deleted river part 13:19:55 <Celestar> simple: finally have a caching PF for the ships and don't allow removing marked tiles :D 13:19:59 <planetmaker> maybe it should have the option of "don't dynamite and don't add bumps" ;) 13:20:26 <planetmaker> so rivers are like unmovable objects :P 13:20:39 <yorick> you can't dynamite a river with a ship on it.. 13:20:47 <Yexo> Celestar: that doesn't help as long as the deleted part is moved downstream, I could just remove a river part just upstream of your dock 13:21:25 <Celestar> don't allow any clearing of tile upstream a marked tile? 13:22:47 <Yexo> in that case I'd simplify that to "marked tile = tile with ship on it" 13:22:48 <planetmaker> Celestar: then don't allow river terraforming at all. Far easier. 13:23:27 <Antdovu> agreed 13:23:39 <Antdovu> that would likely look better as well 13:23:48 <yorick> then there is no need for the "lively" rivers anymore 13:24:04 <planetmaker> :P true 13:24:25 <yorick> much better idea: no ships on lively rivers 13:24:41 <planetmaker> that's as bad imo. 13:25:27 <frosch123> or let the player first build the "new" river, and let the "old" one get dryed up by itself 13:25:56 <frosch123> - or let the "new" on get dryed up, if its alternative route is too bad :p 13:29:44 * SmatZ likes frosch123's idea 13:31:24 <frosch123> afternoon smatz :) 13:34:11 <Celestar> hey SmatZ 13:34:22 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226144238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:36:06 <SmatZ> hello :-) 13:41:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176228185.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad493.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:43 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:42:20 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d18d.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:19 <yorick> now, what to do with ships on a tile that's supposed to dry up? 13:46:54 <Antdovu> push it downstream 13:47:30 <yorick> downstream is also likely to be drying up 13:47:43 <yorick> and I can't push it over a slope without lock 13:48:47 <frosch123> bill the river-modifiying company for moving the ship to a safe place :p 13:52:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 13:52:24 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-065.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:54:55 *** Kommer_ [~kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:55 *** Kommer is now known as Guest3707 13:54:55 *** Kommer_ is now known as Kommer 13:56:08 *** Guest3707 [~kommer@vestingbar.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:23:06 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: turn the river tile into a canal, and let the ship stay on that tile with nowhere to go 14:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: compare UFO blowing up when a train is in the way 14:40:24 <yorick> how do I make sure a tile is flat and at the same height as I specified? 14:40:48 <frosch123> GetTileSlopeZ ? 14:41:03 <yorick> no, with a command 14:41:08 <yorick> SetTileSLopeZ? 14:41:23 <Yexo> not CmdTerraformTile or so? 14:41:25 <frosch123> CmdLevelLand? 14:41:47 <yorick> I don't know what parameters I should give to it, so it will terraform both corners 14:41:56 <frosch123> there is also a leveling function for industries somewhere 14:44:02 <yorick> CmdLevelLand with what parameters? 14:48:13 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:57:28 *** vraa [~vraa@h60.166.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:04:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:40 <yorick> mh, how do I get the tile east to some other? 15:05:09 <Celestar> TileAdd? 15:06:41 <Celestar> or TileAddWrap 15:14:38 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:17:39 *** taytay [c202560a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:00 <taytay> hi 15:20:34 <yorick> hi 15:20:55 <taytay> I would like to know if i can download your webtranslator system to put on my own website to translate other soft ? 15:22:04 <ln> webtranslator sucks, and is probably not suitable for anything else than translations in OpenTTD's own format. 15:22:39 <glx> and it's quite impossible to understand its code 15:22:55 <glx> (btw it's not available to public) 15:23:34 <keyweed_> sounds like an exciting piece of software. 15:24:40 <Celestar> heh 15:24:44 <Celestar> we talking about WT or WT2? 15:25:01 <glx> WT2 I think (I never used WT) 15:25:53 <Celestar> ln: why does the WT suck? 15:26:31 <taytay> ln:then ... Do you know an other soft ? 15:26:47 <taytay> Celestar: Can I download WT2 ? 15:26:55 <Celestar> taytay: not that I know of 15:27:10 <Celestar> it's Mihamix' miracle (= 15:27:29 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-73-196.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 15:27:34 <gynter> hello 15:28:20 <Belugas> Celestar, you should know by now that ln just spits out comments just to feel interesting. 15:28:29 <Belugas> It could be a bot and it would not be much different... 15:29:03 <taytay> Celestar: do you know an other soft like WT2 ? 15:30:04 <ln> Celestar: just to mention two things: 1) it doesn't allow you to view translations without having an account, 2) there are only two states for a string, translated and untranslated -- no way to mark a string to "translated, but needs more thinking" 15:30:38 <ln> taytay: what's the format of your language files? 15:31:06 <taytay> txt 15:31:07 <taytay> and 15:31:31 <taytay> qt4 language file 15:31:42 <taytay> i don't remember the format 15:32:00 <taytay> I have 2 soft to translate 15:32:29 <yorick> is it somewhere in the code convention that I can't use switch(true) instead of if....else if? 15:33:32 <Aali> switch(true) doesn't make any sense 15:33:59 <yorick> yes it does 15:34:09 <yorick> it's basically if...else if with fallthrough 15:34:09 <ln> what are the cases then? 15:34:32 <yorick> case (a == b && c == d): 15:34:49 <Aali> err 15:34:59 <Aali> now you're really not making any sense 15:35:02 <petern> heh 15:35:17 <petern> case statements are fixed 15:35:53 <Aali> does c++ even support non-integer types in switch/case statements? 15:36:00 <yorick> it works some other langages... 15:38:03 <Aali> i can see how switch(a == b && c == d) { case true: blabla would work, but the other way around? 15:38:53 <yorick> if thing1 == thing2, then thing2 == thing1, isn't it? 15:39:07 <petern> no 15:39:14 <yorick> so if (a == b && c == d) == true, then true == (a == b && c == t) 15:39:46 <Aali> yorick: yes, but you're talking to a compiler, not a maths professor 15:41:32 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:40 <gynter> Whats the point of destroing opponents railway and then disconnecting after that? 15:42:52 <yorick> some people think it's fun 15:43:00 <gynter> ... 15:43:15 <gynter> teeners should play farcry 15:43:29 <gynter> k bb 15:43:31 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-73-196.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:37 <yorick> how do I use Random() to get a value between 0 and 4? 15:43:56 <Swallow> RandomRange? 15:44:21 <keyweed_> i could answer that for perl. but i'm assuming c works differently 15:45:24 <keyweed_> ah not really. 15:45:47 <keyweed_> y = random(3) + 1; 15:46:01 <keyweed_> http://www.phanderson.com/C/random.html 15:46:15 <yorick> I'll stick to RandomRange 15:46:16 <Aali> well, you can not use just any random in ottd 15:47:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcf2a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:27 <Swallow> I'm not sure whether RandomRange uses Random() or InteractiveRandom(), so you'd have to check that 15:47:54 <Aali> IIRC, there's InteractiveRandomRange aswell 15:48:55 <yorick> it uses Random() 15:49:07 <yorick> but does max mean it will stay below that value? 15:49:45 *** questionmark [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:50 <Yexo> yes 15:49:57 *** yorick is now known as Guest3720 15:49:57 *** questionmark is now known as yorick 15:50:01 <Yexo> RandomRange(4) will return values 0, 1, 2 and 3 15:50:11 <yorick> ok, thanks :) 15:57:13 *** Guest3720 [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:48 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:00:54 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 16:03:39 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:05:36 *** fonso [~fonso@e178114166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 16:07:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:10:50 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:33 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:15:41 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14588 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2414]: the range for kicking/banning clients is based on the maximum number of clients, not the maximum number of companies. 16:16:22 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:32 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 16:16:48 <Celestar> yorick: to obtain a natural number in the interval [n;m] use: RandomRange(m-n+1)+n. This assumes the natural numbers include the zero. 16:17:18 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.84.19.150] has joined #openttd 16:18:14 <yorick> what is with the suggestions forum and capitalizing "WITH"? 16:18:41 <Yexo> it's people that can't spell and type "whit" 16:18:52 <Celestar> ? 16:18:56 <Celestar> reference? 16:19:52 <yorick> "Autoreplace WITH same type !" 16:20:29 <Yexo> Celestar: see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=26502&hilit=WHIT!!!&start=0 16:21:01 <glx> yorick: it's WITH!!!! 16:21:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet677.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:23:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:23:58 *** Fuco is now known as `Fuco`` 16:24:03 *** `Fuco`` is now known as FUco 16:25:25 <Celestar> heh 16:25:28 <Celestar> autoreplace (= 16:26:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.162.208] has joined #openttd 16:26:41 <SmatZ> :-) 16:32:17 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:37:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcf2a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:39:24 *** svip [~svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:43:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:05 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 16:46:38 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 16:48:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:56:29 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-79-11.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 16:57:45 <gynter> hmm, hows possible to destroy opponents railway? with tunnels and blowing my train in there? Is it possible to disable it somehow via some config variable? 16:58:14 <yorick> it should not be possible to destroy opponents railway 16:58:37 <FauxFaux> You can flood it. 16:58:45 <gynter> hmm thats odd 16:58:54 <FauxFaux> Assuming people are stupid enough to build at sea level. 16:58:58 <Ammler> reset_company <opponent_id> 16:59:11 <gynter> red destroyed my railway near station (not sea level) and build hes instead 16:59:24 <gynter> so I couldn't rebuild railway around station 16:59:25 <petern> no password usually :p 16:59:30 <gynter> nope 16:59:31 <Ammler> he logged in to your company 16:59:44 <gynter> password protected since start 16:59:54 <gynter> happened 2 times already 16:59:58 <gynter> changed password too 17:00:01 <Ammler> maybe the server had a restart 17:00:16 <FauxFaux> Ask him how, sounds interesting. 17:00:18 <gynter> nope, password was set when I entered 17:00:36 <Ammler> or a advanced setting to remove password somewhen. 17:00:51 <gynter> well, but how did he set the same passwd then? 17:04:15 <Celestar> gynter: what version of the game? 17:05:26 <gynter> 0.6.3 17:05:45 <gynter> Server name is "Welcome to ESTonia [puu.ee]" 17:06:31 <gynter> currently map has restarted already 17:07:09 <gynter> Someone said that its possible to destroy opponents railway with tunnels 17:07:12 <gynter> haven't tested that 17:07:43 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:25 <glx> gynter: looks like big ufo 17:18:43 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 17:21:16 <yorick> does it quack like a big ufo? 17:24:41 *** taytay [c202560a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:26:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:26:49 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:27:20 *** Mortal is now known as Guest3740 17:27:20 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 17:27:39 *** FUco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:16 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-074.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:28:28 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 17:33:52 *** Guest3740 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:07 <gynter> ehh, what? 17:41:17 <gynter> is it possible to track this issue via logs? 17:42:13 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Disaster <- you know about big ufo? 17:42:23 <gynter> no 17:43:10 <gynter> hmm, lemme check if disasters are enabled there 17:48:18 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:52:41 <gynter> hmm indeed might be 17:52:46 <gynter> but so often ? 17:59:22 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d18d.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6f.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:18 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:04:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:07:54 <tokai> hmm.. this zeppelin looks nice.. but you can't build one as your own vehicle, or? 18:08:24 <SmatZ> hehe :) 18:08:31 <SmatZ> unless someone creates a GRF 18:09:01 <Ammler> there are already 2 18:09:04 <frosch123> av8 has zeppelins, and it also replaces the disaster zeppelin with an identical looking oner 18:09:09 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@a89-182-157-158.net-htp.de] has joined #openttd 18:09:12 <Belugas> if THAT zepelin can be built, then, we should make the UFO available too ^_^ 18:09:16 <Belugas> thaqt would be... 18:09:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:09:19 <Belugas> unreal! 18:09:28 <Wolf01> hello 18:09:47 <Belugas> hello Wolf01 :) 18:09:51 <tokai> Belugas: who knows what human kind can build in 2100++ :) 18:10:03 <Belugas> true, so true :) 18:10:06 <SmatZ> I mean, a GRF that uses sprites for 'disaster zeppelin' for 'user-buildable zeppelin' 18:10:21 <SmatZ> Belugas: good idea :) 18:10:28 <frosch123> SmatZ: the disaster zeppelin has only one orientation :( 18:10:39 <SmatZ> frosch123: ah :-x 18:10:51 <Wolf01> mirror it and you have 2 orientations 18:11:05 <SmatZ> hehe 18:11:25 * petern pokes Wolf01 with some shadowing 18:11:41 <Wolf01> doh 18:11:48 <frosch123> well, maybe they can also fly sidewards 18:12:04 <frosch123> at least there is a landing animation :p 18:12:10 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 18:12:32 <SmatZ> :-P 18:18:01 <gynter> Order UFO for 999 billion £ to attack opponent 18:18:05 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:06 <tokai> "One unusual idea, which never saw service, was the ability to connect several independent airship elements like train wagons;[3][9] in fact, the patent title called the design Lenkbarer Luftfahrzug (steerable air train)." [about zeppelins] <- this is interesting. didn't knew that. :) 18:22:41 <frosch123> could become quite knotty with some wind :p 18:24:19 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:27:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm102.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:08 *** Antdovu [~Otinn@vpn2-074.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:46:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14589 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:47:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-17 18:47:02 18:47:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 2 fixed by tucalipe (2) 18:47:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 67 fixed by Ar4i (67) 18:47:02 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: czech - 4 fixed, 4 changed by Hadez (8) 18:47:03 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed by habell (2) 18:47:03 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 fixed by SuomiPoika (4) 18:52:40 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:55:38 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:22 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:44 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-79-11.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:29:36 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:33:03 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 19:44:09 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:06 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:01:08 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:03:43 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.84.19.150] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 20:05:33 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:07 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:19 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 20:08:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:12:49 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-79-11.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 20:13:08 <gynter> is it possible to change timeflow 24h = 12 months (1 year) ? 20:13:15 <gynter> on server 20:13:43 <Sacro> gynter: the open-source'dness would say yes 20:14:11 <gynter> but there wouldn't be any sync errors or something? 20:15:35 <ln> hello 20:17:10 <Alberth> gynter: if you change enough, no 20:18:01 <Alberth> (not that I know what 'enough' is) 20:18:58 <Wolf01> http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm AHAHAHAHAHAH 20:21:02 <davis-> :o 20:23:17 <Wolf01> It's really funny, but there's much to read 20:23:54 <gynter> ah, jus read CAD :P 20:26:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-235-60.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:39:28 <Alberth> bugs.openttd.org down? 20:40:01 <Sacro> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://bugs.openttd.org/ 20:41:24 <china> haha 20:41:27 <china> awesome site. 20:41:29 <Alberth> tnx 21:02:50 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-199.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:04:53 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=40526 <- Italians -.-''' 21:06:16 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 21:06:51 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-79-11.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:51 <Wolf01> grrrr, I can dig holes and raise mountains but I can't change the appearance of a station... stupid local authority 21:25:46 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:46 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@a89-182-157-158.net-htp.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:48 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:32:27 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 21:56:23 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 21:57:39 <Fantasya> Wolf01: build trees around town :) 21:57:53 <Fantasya> or bribe local authority 21:58:03 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:26 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:58:32 <Wolf01> hi 21:58:39 <ln> hello 21:58:57 <benjamingoodger> hi 21:59:24 <Wolf01> Fantasya: it is the permission which I don't like, I know how to handle the local authority ;) 22:01:52 <Wolf01> LA allows you to do big damages, but doesn't allow you to do useful things 22:03:51 <Eddi|zuHause> did i ever mentioned that the rating system is seriously flawed? 22:04:20 <thingwath> allowing to do big damage, but preventing useful things is very good description for a real world local authority. 22:04:39 <Wolf01> I don't like the game SO real :D 22:05:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a simple suggestion: just disallow destroying trees below a certain rating (above the one that forbids placing stations) 22:06:35 <Wolf01> That is a good suggestion 22:07:27 <Yexo> (above the one that forbids placing stations) <- so you'd need a higher rating to destroy trees then to build a station? 22:07:57 <Wolf01> at least it should stop your terraforming before reaching the limit 22:08:23 <Yexo> true, but it'd also prevent building tracks on top of trees 22:08:23 <Wolf01> but only in tiles with trees 22:23:22 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 22:26:10 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:32:12 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 22:33:11 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:02 <Wolf01> 'night 22:46:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:46:32 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:03:14 <ln> night, Wolf01 23:09:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcf2a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:03 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 23:13:05 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [] 23:16:53 *** Killer11 [~Killer11@82-135-222-146.static.zebra.lt] has joined #openttd 23:17:13 <Killer11> good evening 23:18:10 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... 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Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 23:19:40 <ln> good evening, zebra.lt 23:20:39 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF76a3.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:21:39 <AgentLeMan> hello everybody :o) 23:22:58 <AgentLeMan> how is the type of window defined? as there are some you can close and some you can move, some not though, like the introscreenwindow. and then theres that errormessagewindow, which closes by itself and can be closed by rightclicking on the titlebar. 23:28:28 <benjamingoodger> ln: have you not yet been consumed by your own sarcasm? 23:28:28 <benjamingoodger> you are to be commended for your stamina 23:30:47 <ln> benjamingoodger: oh, it's pure politeness. 23:40:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:53 <Rubidium> Yexo: http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs1822.diff <- that was my spin on the feature I did a while back 23:50:56 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: SmatZ, TheMask97, @Rubidium 23:50:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius-r5.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:51:08 *** Netsplit over, joins: SmatZ 23:51:23 *** Headswe [Headswe@h173n3c1o968.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:28 <Headswe> Hey! 23:52:15 <SmatZ> rubi 23:53:07 <Headswe> looking for anyone to coop with.. 23:53:16 <Yexo> go to #openttdcoop 23:53:31 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 23:53:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 23:53:50 *** Killer11 [~Killer11@82-135-222-146.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:54 <SmatZ> Rubidium: why haven't you commited the pach yet? 23:54:25 <Rubidium> don't want to leave invalid data in the savegame 23:54:53 *** welshdragon is now known as babydragon 23:55:21 *** babydragon is now known as welshdragon 23:56:25 <SmatZ> what invalid data? 23:56:54 <Rubidium> the data that's invalid because of FS#2388 23:57:13 <SmatZ> aha 23:57:24 <SmatZ> :-x 23:57:41 <SmatZ> I will assign that task to me, ok? 23:57:55 <SmatZ> done 23:58:07 <SmatZ> will do that tommorow 23:58:35 <Rubidium> I'm not in a hurry ;) 23:58:47 <Headswe> Duck and roll please. 23:58:58 <Yexo> Rubidium: your patch is much cleaner then mine, but I still have to figure out why it works (I had major problems getting the newgrf string to work) 23:59:06 <SmatZ> I didn't realise it is blocking that task :-x 23:59:26 <ln> Yexo: *than 23:59:37 <Yexo> ln: whatever 23:59:58 <ln> Yexo: would "turtle" be ok?