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00:01:04 <benjamingoodger> hello night owl 00:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite_Owl: you confuse Sacro. 00:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, view that as an initiation ritus ;) 00:02:01 <Nite_Owl> I have been known to have that effect on people 00:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> everybody has that effect on Sacro ;) 00:10:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:21 *** vraa [~vraa@h198.75.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:26:11 <appe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_gDmkJCczI 00:26:13 <appe> help. 00:29:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C898.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:54 <Rubidium> solution. 00:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> . 00:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't actually have the bandwidth to click on every youtube link out there... 00:32:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75D17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:01 *** Char [~Ich@d212-152-17-23.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 00:34:02 <Char> re 00:36:06 <Char> noone around? 00:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> why would there be anyone around? 00:39:16 <Sacro> oh god I still can't fix this ><M 00:39:59 <Gekz> ._. 00:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> ·,Ë 00:42:02 <Gekz> is that how most german people look? :P 00:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause> depends from which side you look at them 00:42:46 <Gekz> lolo 00:43:35 <SmatZ> appe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 (great video you posted) 00:45:07 <Sacro> Rubidium: heeelp :'( 00:46:44 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:47:05 <Fantasya> youtube live on the line!!!!!! 00:47:11 <Patrick> howdo I add all trains on a shared order list to a particular group? 00:47:16 <Sacro_> Rubidium: i need help :'( 00:47:21 <Rubidium> soooluuution. 00:47:24 <Patrick> or, more specifically, upgrade only some trains on some shared order 00:47:42 <SmatZ> Patrick: goto, ctrl+click on train to share orders with 00:48:11 <SmatZ> Patrick: err... "Add shared vehicles" in the Train groups window? 00:48:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Patrick: in the "Manage List" dropdown 00:48:47 <Sacro_> Rubidium: http://www.davros.org/rail/simsig/wtt-format.html is the soec for the file i am parsing 00:48:52 <Patrick> wait wait 00:49:02 <Patrick> you're both telling me the solution to something I almost want to do 00:49:15 <Patrick> add shared vehicles, I have to drag-drop them one at a time 00:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you drag one vehicle to the group 00:49:24 <Patrick> autoreplace will replace everything with that engine type 00:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause> then go to the group 00:49:43 <Patrick> aha 00:49:47 <Patrick> add shared vehicles 00:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> click on the "add shared vehicles to this group" button 00:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and then set an autoreplace rule for this group 00:50:06 <Patrick> aha 00:51:13 <Patrick> chaos ensues 00:51:18 <Patrick> followed by a better train 00:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd much rather have a way to auto-cycle engines to the next lower train class... 00:52:53 <Patrick> hmm 00:52:54 <Patrick> why? 00:53:00 <Patrick> I'm sure you have a reason 00:53:34 <Rubidium> Sacro_: looks pretty trivial to implement (to me at least) 00:53:45 <Sacro_> Rubidium: yeah, I thought that 00:53:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:55 <Sacro_> But I can't work out how to get bits 0,1,2 00:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> like if i have express trains with BR 18 and local trains with BR 38 00:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause> then i get the brand new BR 01 00:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i want to introduce the BR 01 to the express trains, rotate the BR 18 to the local trains, and slowly phase out the BR 38 00:54:58 <Rubidium> getting bits 0,1 and 2? 00:56:32 <Sacro_> Rubidium: yeah 00:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the only way to reasonably do that right now is to autoreplace the BR 18 with BR 01, and autoreplace the BR 38 with BR 18, which doesn't make a lot of sense 00:57:28 <Fantasya> 2 minutes left !!!!! 00:57:35 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 00:58:35 * Rubidium really wonders why Sacro can't even parse the document 01:00:03 <Fantasya> 10 seconds 01:00:19 <Fantasya> START!!!!! 01:00:24 <Sacro_> byte[] toReturn = new byte[2]; 01:00:24 <Sacro_> toReturn[1] = breader.ReadByte(); // LSB 01:00:24 <Sacro_> toReturn[0] = breader.ReadByte(); // MSB 01:00:24 <Sacro_> return toReturn; 01:00:28 <Sacro_> is what i have 01:00:38 <Sacro_> but then I can't get it into a bitarray and extra the data correctly 01:00:42 <SmatZ> hmm I need op to kick for flood :-P 01:00:49 <SmatZ> Sacro_: we have paste.openttd.org for this 01:00:59 <Sacro_> SmatZ: 4 lines, leave me alone :p 01:01:14 <SmatZ> Sacro_: I knew I don't have op ;) 01:01:48 <Fantasya> katy perry 01:01:49 <Fantasya> live!!!!!! 01:01:51 <Fantasya> in youtube 01:01:52 <Fantasya> omg 01:01:55 <Fantasya> hot and cold 01:01:57 <Fantasya> OMG!!!! 01:01:59 <SmatZ> hmm 01:02:41 <SmatZ> this place is #tycoon-izing slowly :-P 01:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> lack of acting operator, i think ;) 01:03:10 <SmatZ> hehe :) 01:03:46 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 01:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro_: have you ever looked at stuff like the GB macro in openttd? 01:05:53 <Sacro_> Eddi|zuHause: nope, I don't need macros, afaik BitArray does the jkob 01:06:41 * Rubidium thinks Sacro_ has absolutely no idea how computers work and therefor what an application actually does 01:06:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't say you should use macros 01:06:50 <Rubidium> and what would be a sane way to implement it 01:06:57 <Sacro_> Rubidium: the freaky thing is i can imagine how to do it in m68k asm 01:07:02 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 01:07:13 <Rubidium> GB is a macro? 01:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant that you might want to look at that code, because it does a conversion like the one you probably want to do 01:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it used to be ;) 01:07:33 <Sacro> what do I need to convert? 01:08:53 <Sacro> and I can do BitArray.touInt 01:08:57 <Fantasya> youtube FTW 01:08:58 <Fantasya> omg 01:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: you'd probably want something like BitArray.fromInt() or Integer.toBitArray(), if those exist 01:14:32 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: I can start a bitarray from an array of bytes 01:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so then what is your problem? 01:15:19 <Sacro> it does't seem to be getting the correct data 01:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it's not doing what you expect it to do? 01:15:59 <Sacro> I#m not sure if it is or not 01:16:40 <Sacro> ahh 01:16:48 <Sacro> bytes[0] & 1 is bit 0 01:17:01 <Sacro> bytes[0] & 12 is bit 1 01:17:05 <Sacro> s/12/2/ 01:32:10 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 01:32:51 <Fantasya> mythbusters on the line 01:32:55 <Fantasya> at the youtube 01:33:11 *** Char [~Ich@d212-152-17-23.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:34:01 <appe> frick 01:34:04 <appe> i got rickrolld 01:34:11 <benjamingoodger> HA! :P 01:34:15 <appe> me - internet: 0 - 1. 01:34:34 <appe> im going to fall asleep to carl sagans cosmos 01:34:36 <benjamingoodger> my internet connection is pathetic enough that I was able to read the <title> and close the tab before the flash loaded 01:34:40 <appe> that man is a hero. 01:35:12 <appe> benjamingoodger: ah. i got the lighter version: the original music video on youtube. :> 01:35:25 <benjamingoodger> ah 01:35:55 <Rubidium> Sacro: http://paste.openttd.org/176982 <- only took 20 minutes and should work if you make the classes and fix the typos ;) 01:36:24 <Sacro> can't use it :( 01:36:29 <appe> funny thing with rickroll is that nobody dares to click any links around teh discussion 01:36:30 * Sacro read the licence line 01:36:41 <Sacro> that will infect my library 01:37:33 <appe> oh 01:37:33 <appe> d 01:37:36 <appe> hhhj 01:37:44 <Rubidium> Sacro: poor you ;) 01:37:59 <appe> the last two lines was me chasing my paniced cat over the bed. 01:38:07 * Rubidium wonders what license Sacro would use for his stuff ;) 01:38:15 <Sacro> Rubidium: just playing with a hex editor now 01:38:22 <Sacro> looks like somehow it isn't being read 01:40:06 <Sacro> hmm, should be returning 1 01:47:03 <Sacro> ARGH DAMN I'VE FIGURED IT 01:47:08 <Sacro> though it should have broken by now 01:47:09 <Sacro> or not... 01:47:10 <Sacro> >< 01:47:18 <Sacro> no, i thought the peekchar wasn't consuming a bit 01:47:26 <Sacro> but it's not supposed to 01:48:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet648.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:18 <Sacro> Rubidium: sorted it >< 01:58:31 * Sacro was doing something really stupid 02:01:45 * benjamingoodger toys with concept of saying "clearly", "as usual" or such, then decides it would be excessively cruel 02:01:55 <Sacro> benjamingoodger: mm :( 02:02:10 <Sacro> lets just say that return new byte[] {breader.ReadByte()}; 02:02:13 <Sacro> was what I wanted 02:03:00 <Sacro> rather than the perhaps silly thing of returning the value as the size of the array... 02:03:18 <benjamingoodger> very well 02:03:41 <Sacro> but I could have used array.size i suppose 02:04:32 *** Hequa [Hequa@b-178-192.dsl.ipy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:09:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:54 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:19 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:25:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-156-48.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:24 *** vraa [~vraa@h198.75.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:34:39 *** vraa [~vraa@h202.74.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 02:35:01 * benjamingoodger attempts to liven-up conversation 02:35:02 <benjamingoodger> http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=letterheadnw2.png 02:35:41 <benjamingoodger> everyone is encouraged to dismantle the above and criticise it to the maximum extent permitted by applicable law 02:37:01 <Gekz> benjamingoodger: bland 02:37:03 <Gekz> like a fox. 02:38:20 <benjamingoodger> is that a compliment or an insult? I can't decide :S 02:39:20 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 02:46:40 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:50:50 <benjamingoodger> ... 02:50:51 <benjamingoodger> really 02:50:54 <benjamingoodger> I can't tell 02:56:10 <benjamingoodger> I was half-hoping someone would telephone me ^_^ 02:56:21 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... Tnoflahc, mraf ynnuf eht fo erac, 'Knip Dlo' ot rewsna ruoy dnes esaelp. Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 02:57:51 <benjamingoodger> so, you have just discovered the secret message 02:58:18 <benjamingoodger> please send your reply to 'old pink', care of the funny farm, chalfont... 02:58:30 <benjamingoodger> roger, caroline's on the phone 02:58:42 <benjamingoodger> .......that must be the weirdest quit message I've ever seen 03:05:23 <Fantasya> YOUTUBE LIVE!!! 03:05:30 <Fantasya> :D 03:05:36 <benjamingoodger> gah 03:07:00 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 03:07:10 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230001089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:38 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229068043.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:14:10 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 03:34:09 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-176.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:47:17 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:00:39 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D6C4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:02:35 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FA9A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:36 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:39 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 04:12:19 <benjamingoodger> http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2008/11/genius_i_tell_you_genius.html 04:12:23 <benjamingoodger> good grief 04:12:37 <benjamingoodger> that truly belongs on I Can't Believe They Invented It! 04:30:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:50:44 *** davis_ [~suckyours@p5B28DE94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:58:16 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28F8E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:01:14 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|1 [MarwolTuk@p549ED5B9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:13 <Sacro> my god this language sucks 05:07:19 <Sacro> I can't have a virtual bound datagridview 05:07:24 <Sacro> so i either have speed or sorting 05:07:54 *** MarwolTuk [MarwolTuk@p549EF3BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 05:55:49 *** vraa [~vraa@h202.74.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:16:39 *** vraa [~vraa@h202.74.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 06:49:40 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:51 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:02:01 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:17:01 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:18:01 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 07:18:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:46:21 *** Zorn [zorn@e177226137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:58:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 08:01:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:19:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:33 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:21:44 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:50:06 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.117.52] has joined #openttd 09:30:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:33:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm223.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:35:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:35:37 <Wolf01> hello 09:35:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 09:35:50 <Wolf01> 09:38:26 <Wolf01> uhm... I miss a time for the depot stop :| 09:38:27 <benjamingoodger> [MCR CONTROL CODE C] 09:39:35 <Wolf01> * in timetables 09:51:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:33 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn14-26.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:03:21 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn14-26.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:02 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 10:13:43 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 10:14:14 <Fantasya> uhhhhh. hard morn :///// 10:14:34 <Fantasya> youtube live YEAAH. :))))))) 10:15:49 <benjamingoodger> *rolls eyes to maximum extent permitted by law* 10:16:02 <Rubidium> stop in depot X, wait Y and then stay stopped? 10:16:51 <Wolf01> no, stop in depot X, wait for Y and then start 10:17:14 <Fantasya> no no. stop in depot X, wait Y and then stop for X 10:17:55 <Wolf01> no, stop in depot X, wait Y and then stop for X and then start for Z 10:18:59 <Wolf01> Rubidium, like in stations, but at least stopped trains don't pay any maintenance for being stopped at depot 10:26:20 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485EF3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:30:06 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DD5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:25 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF39c6.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:33:59 <AgentLeMan> hello everybody 10:34:13 <Doorslammer> Hi Dr Nick 10:34:26 <AgentLeMan> °snickers° 10:34:27 <benjamingoodger> bonjour m. le Man 10:34:49 <AgentLeMan> dang, Doorslammer.... °falls off the chair laughing° 10:35:25 * benjamingoodger wants, when he has got his PhD, to add "nicolas" to his forenames 10:35:41 <benjamingoodger> and then to force people to say "hi, dr nick" 10:36:16 <AgentLeMan> or at least "dr. nic" 10:36:33 <benjamingoodger> quite 10:36:33 <AgentLeMan> alright, off to work... 10:36:54 <benjamingoodger> without the period, though... periods only go on the end of abbreviations that don't emit any letters within the word 10:37:02 <benjamingoodger> byee 10:37:20 <AgentLeMan> as i was building around my tracks, i came about a weird behaviour which includes a station and °drumroll° a train 10:37:42 <AgentLeMan> nah, i meant this other "work" 10:37:45 <benjamingoodger> rather than a hovercraft, presumably 10:37:48 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-116.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:51 <benjamingoodger> ah... 10:37:52 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:37:55 <AgentLeMan> exactly :o) 10:38:03 <benjamingoodger> I see 10:38:16 <AgentLeMan> i just try to describe the matter in whole first. 10:38:23 <benjamingoodger> so every religion is wrong! 10:38:39 <benjamingoodger> I bet yorick wishes he hadn't missed your proof 10:38:48 <benjamingoodger> ...anyway, returning to openttd... 10:38:54 * yorick will just read the logs. 10:38:58 <AgentLeMan> it seems, there is a fidderence, between trainstations that are 1 and 2 tiles long and trainstations, which are 3 tiles long or longer 10:39:00 <benjamingoodger> ah, foiled 10:39:10 <benjamingoodger> oh? 10:39:31 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:38 <AgentLeMan> oh, and i dont mean the length °grins° 10:40:30 <benjamingoodger> ...so what? 10:40:34 <benjamingoodger> besides the length... 10:42:16 <AgentLeMan> im testing something to get it more clear. 10:42:30 <benjamingoodger> what is it vaguely about? :P 10:43:42 <AgentLeMan> it seems, if a station is longer than 2 tiles, a train that has the option to drive thorugh that station and along a track that includes no station, decides to drive along the part of track without station 10:44:01 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:44:09 <AgentLeMan> if its 1 or 2 tiles long, that station, it drives through that station instead 10:45:07 <benjamingoodger> is this "1 or 2 tiles long" as in "1 or 2 tiles long", or "1 or 2 tiles long" as in "shorter than 3 tiles, which is the length of the train"? 10:45:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:20 <benjamingoodger> both sensible, the latter seems to make more sense 10:46:30 <Wolf01> I downloaded the ottd-useful 2.0, where should I extract it? (I use VC80) 10:46:46 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06979.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:46:53 *** Mark is now known as M4rk 10:46:53 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 10:47:15 <AgentLeMan> tracklayout : station A --+-- station C --+-- station B ( the + indicates the switch, where the nonstation track connects to on both sides ) 10:47:39 <AgentLeMan> the orders are to go from A to B. the train is just the engine, no cars 10:48:05 <benjamingoodger> ah 10:48:32 <benjamingoodger> is the route that avoids the station shorter at all? 10:50:47 <AgentLeMan> it is longer. imagine a "U"-layout. station A and station B are at the ends of that U, station C in the middle. the stationless track is just "below" that U, if this makes sense ( i could start a mp-server though ) 10:51:01 <benjamingoodger> yep, makes perfect sense 10:51:25 <benjamingoodger> hmm 10:51:47 <benjamingoodger> probably best start that mp server if you don't mind 10:51:53 <benjamingoodger> this needs poking at 10:52:16 <AgentLeMan> what i really find weird is... if it would only happen, if the station is shorter than 2, it would not really make sense still, but at least its then something. but 1 AND 2 tiles? 10:52:51 <benjamingoodger> well, 1/2 length stations are far more likely to be waypoints 10:52:51 <Alberth> AgentLeMan: you can try making the 2 tile station path longer 10:53:23 <benjamingoodger> there is a substantially increased likelihood that the longer station will be occupied 10:53:31 <benjamingoodger> what pathfinder are you using? 10:53:50 <AgentLeMan> the recommended. and its a testenvironment, no other trains 10:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> AgentLeMan: stations that are not in the orders get pathfinder penalty 10:54:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and the penalty gets added for each station tile 10:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so the penalty is higher for 3 length platforms than for 2 length platforms 10:55:06 <AgentLeMan> wow :o)) 10:55:15 <benjamingoodger> aha! 10:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> so the platform looks like it is 3 times as long as a normal track 10:55:28 <benjamingoodger> see, whitebox > blackbox testing 10:56:01 <AgentLeMan> so, after 2 tiles the penalty kinda reaches an amount that is enough to make the train go the longer way 10:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 10:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can adjust this penalty 10:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "list_patches yapf" on the console or something 10:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> a normal track tile has a penalty of 100 10:58:44 <AgentLeMan> thank you :o) that makes total sense. i tested around for that like hours and was a bit confused 11:01:25 <AgentLeMan> hm... first, the stationless track, was just a 2 tiles away paralell track to the stationtrack. 11:01:54 <AgentLeMan> now it is 20 tiles away 11:02:24 <AgentLeMan> and it still dont drives through the station 11:03:34 <AgentLeMan> -dont +doesnt 11:05:02 <yorick> drive* 11:05:11 <AgentLeMan> yip 11:05:25 <AgentLeMan> or more like... 11:05:39 <AgentLeMan> and it still !drives through the station 11:05:41 <AgentLeMan> ;o) 11:08:16 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:09:25 *** Zorni [zorn@e177226137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:10:01 <AgentLeMan> ( if interested, the servername is "testing" ) 11:10:24 <AgentLeMan> ( password is the same as the name ) 11:12:16 * benjamingoodger engages sleeve-rollers 11:13:38 <benjamingoodger> version mismatch 11:13:41 <benjamingoodger> buggeh 11:13:47 <AgentLeMan> uhm, its 063 11:13:52 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm223.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:13:56 <benjamingoodger> yeah, I'm on 062 11:14:01 <AgentLeMan> oh 11:14:29 <yorick> 0.6.2 is buggy! 11:14:33 <AgentLeMan> weird, i dont even see a connection attempt 11:14:54 <yorick> AgentLeMan, version check is before the connection attempt 11:14:55 <AgentLeMan> i thought, there would be something like "connection not aceppted : error : version mismatch" 11:14:59 <AgentLeMan> ah 11:15:30 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 11:15:35 <AgentLeMan> so the version gets advertised too. nifty. 11:15:38 <benjamingoodger> may be buggy, but it's still the last one to be in Debian before lenny got frozen, so I'm stuck with it for the next month or so 11:15:57 <yorick> benjamingoodger: just compile the new one 11:16:07 <benjamingoodger> cba 11:16:24 <yorick> ? 11:16:31 <benjamingoodger> can't be arsed 11:16:41 *** Zorn [zorn@e177226137.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:02 <benjamingoodger> i.e., I don't really care enough to go through the tedious charade of compilation 11:17:29 <yorick> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.6.3 && ./configure && make 11:17:32 <yorick> how tedious 11:17:43 <Qball> yorick: forgot apt-get build-dep openttd 11:17:45 <Qball> if it is in apt 11:17:58 <yorick> Qball, I don't have apt 11:18:07 <Qball> well benjamingoodger does 11:18:12 <benjamingoodger> 'tis, hence why I mentioned debian several times 11:18:43 <yorick> apt :o 11:18:48 <benjamingoodger> also, after make is finished, I have to run make install, and that means authenticating as root and then changing directories again 11:18:56 <benjamingoodger> and then I have to remove the compiled files 11:19:03 <Qball> benjamingoodger: don't have to make install 11:19:04 <yorick> make install :o 11:19:07 <Qball> you can run it from the bin dir 11:19:21 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:24 <yorick> ^^ 11:19:44 <benjamingoodger> I want it in $root, or, again, it's too much effort to find the binary and double-click it 11:20:06 <Qball> benjamingoodger: go back to windows 11:20:06 <benjamingoodger> and I'll end up forgetting anyway 11:20:09 <Qball> lazy bum 11:20:39 <benjamingoodger> well, yes 11:20:43 <benjamingoodger> one of the reasons I use linux 11:21:00 <yorick> ... 11:21:02 <benjamingoodger> I start the machine, log in, and all of the applications I use start automatically 11:21:10 <yorick> YOU CAN DO THAT WITH WINDOWS 11:21:12 <Tefad> windows can do that too.. 11:21:15 <Tefad> i do it at work 11:21:17 <Tefad> : D 11:21:21 <benjamingoodger> I know, but it's so tedious to set up 11:21:25 <yorick> ITS NOT 11:21:31 <Tefad> uh, drag/drop to startup in start menu? 11:21:37 <yorick> just drag the shortcut > startup in start menu 11:21:42 <mrfrenzy> yorick, Tefad: do not feed the troll 11:21:43 <Qball> lol 11:21:51 <Tefad> mrfrenzy: heeeee 11:21:53 <benjamingoodger> I'm not trolling, for goodness' sake 11:22:08 <yorick> there you did it again 11:22:12 <Tefad> haha 11:22:18 <Qball> may the troll be with you 11:22:49 <yorick> linux-fanboy-without-obvious-reason :o 11:23:15 <Tefad> i'm not so much a linux fanboy as i am an open source fanboy 11:23:19 <benjamingoodger> I'm telling entirely the truth. I use linux because I'm lazy. it updates itself automatically and doesn't require routine reinstalls, reboots or defrags 11:23:39 <Tefad> i use linux only because of it being more compatible with my hardware than freebsd 11:23:56 <yorick> defrags stopped being needed with xp 11:23:59 <Qball> I use linux because it is the lesser evill 11:24:07 <AgentLeMan> the other thing i saw was... there also is something with stationlength, trainlength and reversing the train. 11:24:08 <valhallasw> yorick: more specifically: with ntfs 11:24:08 <yorick> auto-update is in XPsp2 11:24:12 <Tefad> benjamingoodger: my linux doesn't update itself. 11:24:20 <Tefad> hell my linux breaks itself all the time : D 11:24:41 <yorick> I never needed to reinstall things 11:24:54 <benjamingoodger> apt goes a little further than windows update, methinks 11:25:05 <Tefad> i stopped using windows because of BSODs and other horrible things 11:25:14 <yorick> no condescending application managers... 11:25:30 <valhallasw> for some reason people seem to think windows has not been developed since win98 11:25:39 <AgentLeMan> it seems, if the train is at least 1 tile shorter than the station ( station being 5 tiles long ), it drives through that station on its way to the next station, else it reverses inside the station. 11:25:54 <benjamingoodger> considering windows vista (pre-sp1), that's entirely forgiveable 11:26:14 <Tefad> like uninstalling a wifi driver which removes a vital windows component causing a dialog to pop up even in safe mode, before the login prompt: Windows is missing ____.dll please [fix it] and [restart your computer]." 11:26:18 <benjamingoodger> one wonders why microsoft decided to remove interruptive multitasking from the original vista 11:26:31 <Tefad> eehehehe. nice OS war convo in here 11:26:32 <benjamingoodger> [joke, before flames] 11:26:46 <benjamingoodger> actually, it's about which OS is friendlier to lazy bums 11:26:46 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:13 <Tefad> that would be ubuntu rhel mandriva OS X XP Vista. 11:27:21 <Tefad> i guess centos fits in there 11:27:28 <Tefad> let me know if i missed any 11:27:32 <AgentLeMan> so at a 5 tiles-station, an 8 and 9 wagon long train reverses, anything less doesnt. 11:27:37 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:27:38 <benjamingoodger> which end is ubuntu at? 11:27:43 <Tefad> ease of use 11:27:47 <benjamingoodger> ah 11:27:57 <Tefad> ubuntu pisses me off though so i can't use it 11:27:57 <AgentLeMan> which i dont quite understand. 11:28:04 <yorick> SmatZ: you couldn't guess I was using windows? 11:28:07 <benjamingoodger> in that case, I'll place debian just after ubuntu 11:28:29 <benjamingoodger> and also, install gentoo after osx 11:28:29 <Tefad> oh, my list had no significant sequence 11:28:33 <benjamingoodger> oh, I see 11:28:36 <Tefad> gentoo is HORRIBLE 11:28:39 <valhallasw> debian friendly for lazy bums... right. I'll go back to watching Stephen Fry in America 11:28:42 <benjamingoodger> ah, we agree ^^ 11:28:47 <Tefad> i use gentoo. 11:29:26 <Tefad> i might switch to freebsd if i learn it's compatible with my hardware 11:29:26 <AgentLeMan> °yawns at useless "xy is better"-talks, as its just a matter of personal preferences or insulting people one doesnt know even° 11:29:42 <Qball> lets try vim vs emacs 11:29:46 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:29:58 <benjamingoodger> gentoo, for my experience, was the very definition of lazy-unfriendliness, as it broke every time I installed a new gcc... of course, I was probably doing something wrong ¬.¬ 11:30:20 <Tefad> indeed. 11:30:34 <Tefad> hell, right now it breaks itself with normal use 11:30:39 <benjamingoodger> :D 11:30:43 <yorick> my windows doesn't break when I install a new gcc :p 11:30:51 <benjamingoodger> this is true. 11:31:02 <Tefad> they masked a new version of their package manager so that it won't install, however to update your system properly you need this new version! the old one bugs out. 11:31:11 <Qball> Tefad: :D 11:31:15 <benjamingoodger> heheh 11:31:27 <Qball> sounds like gentoy allright 11:31:42 <benjamingoodger> sounds slightly better than the ubuntu upgrade path, which boils down to "swear at it for a few hours, then reinstall from clean"... 11:31:57 <benjamingoodger> anyway, the point is, I'm too lazy to install and compile openttd for the sake of a version bump of 0.01 11:32:00 <Tefad> heh my ubuntu logic is this: try to update. wait a day. try to update. 11:32:02 <Qball> another automatrix user 11:32:29 <benjamingoodger> nope, just standard gentoo 11:32:29 <benjamingoodger> *ubuntu 11:32:29 <benjamingoodger> blast 11:32:51 <Tefad> it's ok. i get them mixed up when speaking sometimes. 11:32:57 <Tefad> too many u/oo sounds. 11:33:10 <yorick> benjamingoodger: 0.0.1 means the difference between playing newer servers and not playing newer servers 11:33:21 <benjamingoodger> I don't actually play multiplayer 11:33:29 <SmatZ> Tefad: it's kind of broken, but can be solved with emerge --nodeps 11:33:39 <benjamingoodger> of course, that was back in 2006. after ubuntu 6.10 came out [ask about my rant on that thing's development cycle!] I switched to debian in disgust 11:33:57 <Tefad> the lib_err thing? 11:34:06 <Tefad> e2fs_tools or whatever 11:34:17 <Tefad> i fixed mine weeks ago and muddled around .. broke my wget 11:34:23 <Tefad> before downloading the needed files... 11:34:40 <Qball> what I love about debian is the fact that you run the latest software, from 2 years ago 11:34:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:34:48 <SmatZ> I didn't have serious problems... 11:35:17 <SmatZ> though the easiest solution is to go with ~arch for portage 11:35:25 <Tefad> mmmm testing. 11:35:30 <benjamingoodger> Qball: that's a tedious old slur that has long since been relegated to the status of "baseless argument munition" 11:35:33 <Rubidium> Qball: use either testing or sid? 11:36:07 <benjamingoodger> servers can quite happily use software from 2 years ago. if they had to use today's software, they'd be really scared 11:36:16 <Qball> :D 11:36:20 <Qball> always works :D 11:36:30 <benjamingoodger> non-servers use either testing or unstable depending on their foolhardiness 11:36:34 <benjamingoodger> and/or skill. 11:37:35 <Tefad> SmatZ: hai. 11:37:41 <AgentLeMan> Rubidium, do you maybe know, why at a 5 tiles-station, an 8 and 9 wagon long train reverses inside that station, anything less takes an alternative route? in different words, as long as there is a full empty tile, they drive through. 11:40:50 <SmatZ> hello Tefad :P 11:42:43 <benjamingoodger> hmm 11:42:50 <benjamingoodger> let's have another argument 11:43:07 <benjamingoodger> which is the best european country? 11:43:12 <Qball> no no 11:43:15 <Qball> vim vs emacs 11:43:18 <Qball> gnome vs kde 11:43:22 <Qball> nano vs ed 11:43:24 <benjamingoodger> well, I have to live in one of them in three years 11:43:35 <Qball> benjamingoodger: poor sod 11:43:36 <benjamingoodger> might as well get the informed opinions of those who know about them 11:43:58 <petern> britain :D 11:44:11 <benjamingoodger> that's the one I'm fleeing! 11:44:20 <Qball> HA HA HA 11:44:32 <benjamingoodger> though the :D probably means you've whoised me, and therefore are saying that to be ironic 11:44:49 <Qball> I only whowas somebody 11:46:06 <petern> i may have done long ago 11:46:15 <Fantasya> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTIViMQQ3IE 11:46:34 <Fantasya> best after katy perry from youtube live :))))))))))))))))))) 11:46:45 <benjamingoodger> oh god, he's returned 11:47:02 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*a@78.59.192.*] by petern 11:47:02 *** Fantasya was kicked from #openttd by petern [******* can advertise themselves] 11:47:03 <yorick> Fantasya: stop spamming useless youtube links, please 11:47:13 <yorick> ^^ 11:47:14 <Qball> it is a new irc meme 11:47:15 <benjamingoodger> too late, poor yorick 11:47:16 <Qball> I think 11:47:21 <petern> alas! 11:47:24 <benjamingoodger> ....I knew him, horatio 11:47:24 <Qball> spamming youtube links 11:47:34 <yorick> should be put back > topic 11:48:14 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*a@78.59.192.*] by petern 11:48:28 <AgentLeMan> hm, i guess thats a "no" then. 11:50:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:54 <yorick> m, banning whole ranges? 11:51:17 <yorick> I'm banned from #nl on ircnet because someone else banned my whole static ip range :/ 11:51:49 <benjamingoodger> cruel 11:52:03 <Alberth> and cannot even speak Dutch here 11:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> <benjamingoodger> I want it in $root, or, again, it's too much effort to find the binary and double-click it <- i have a ~/bin, where i can put binaries without being root 11:53:03 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:53:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 11:53:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:56:53 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has joined #openttd 11:58:13 <yorick> DrawArrowButtons doesn't fully respect the button_colour 11:58:43 <yorick> i.e. if you give it a different colour than yellow, it will still overlay the disabled buttons with a yellow shade 12:01:04 <petern> fix it then 12:01:08 <yorick> http://openttd.pastebin.com/mb95da60 12:01:11 <yorick> there you go :) 12:01:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe6ad.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:10:10 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:11:22 *** Mortal is now known as Guest422 12:11:22 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 12:15:48 <Wolf01> petern, I downloaded the new ottd-useful, where should I extract it? 12:17:18 *** Guest422 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:38 <AgentLeMan> extract the Openttd-useful.zip file and copy: 12:19:39 <AgentLeMan> * The contents of the include folder to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\include\. 12:19:53 <AgentLeMan> * The contents of the library folder to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\lib\. 12:19:58 <AgentLeMan> . 12:21:54 <AgentLeMan> as described at http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions 12:23:40 <Wolf01> oh, thank you, I downloaded it from the home page link, I was expecting to find a readme in the archive 12:23:52 <AgentLeMan> yes, sadly there isnt. 12:25:32 <AgentLeMan> anyone has here knowledge about physics or mechanics regarding the rollresistance of wheels? 12:28:04 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 12:31:39 <petern> all i know is that 'realistic' acceleration sucks :p 12:32:52 <AgentLeMan> °grins° 12:34:52 <AgentLeMan> but.. no, you dont think really it sucks. imagine, you would go instantly to 55mph with your car and that the bus with which you dirive to work, would stop instantly at the next station... especially that yo udont want, with that 400 lbs lady sitting behind you ;o) 12:37:26 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r14609 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use supplied button colour instead of hardcoded yellow, for 'greyed out' arrow buttons. (Yorick) 12:42:06 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm223.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:45:25 *** xand [~xand@heron.ukc.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:46:05 <xand> is it possible to get openttd to use smp? it currently uses 100% of one of my cores but none of the other 12:47:05 <petern> no 12:48:57 <Patrick> saving uses threads 12:52:26 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn14-26.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:38 <xand> I guess that's what I get for having such big maps/1000 vehicles :| 12:54:31 <yorick> petern: close http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2426 ;) 13:02:10 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn14-26.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:07:16 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:27 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:29:30 <AgentLeMan> °waves° a good day/night to you all 13:30:17 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF39c6.baf.pppool.de] has quit [] 13:34:53 *** TrogDoor [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-66.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:40:47 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-176.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14610 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt spritecache.cpp spriteloader/grf.cpp): 13:42:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2415]: possible stack corruption when reading corrupted sprites. 13:42:16 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Change: harden the sprite reading routine against corrupt sprites. 13:45:10 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 13:45:23 *** TrogDoor is now known as Doorslammer 13:59:38 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-249-120.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 14:17:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14611 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 14:17:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix (r13437)[FS#2421]: Store the age of a house in the map array instead of the construction year. 14:17:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Note: Savegames from r13437 to now are broken and have a age of 255 years for a lot houses. 14:35:39 <Wolf01> if I want to allow construction of uphill tracks on diagonal slopes, how I should modify the allowed track bits? 14:36:10 <mrfrenzy> Is that physically possible? 14:37:09 <benjamingoodger> so long as the track doesn't intersect with the land... *shrug* 14:37:20 <frosch123> Wolf01: modify GetRailFoundation and ApplyFoundationToSlope and DrawFoundation 14:37:51 <Wolf01> yes I know, I and a friend are trying for about 1 hour to do something 14:38:20 <mrfrenzy> I mean is it possible IRL 14:38:31 <benjamingoodger> so long as the track doesn't intersect with the land 14:39:07 <mrfrenzy> aah you mean you have to level enough land on the slope ofcourse so the track is level 14:39:07 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/sloped_tracks.PNG 14:39:26 <Wolf01> we want to allow this 14:39:42 <benjamingoodger> that'll easily work IRL 14:39:46 <mrfrenzy> aha, that's not what I was thinking at all 14:39:54 <mrfrenzy> indeed it is 14:40:18 <SmatZ> Wolf01: I had a simple patch for it somewhere 14:40:25 <SmatZ> but I don't have anymore :-p 14:40:27 <frosch123> Wolf01: you will have to concentrate the uphill track on one tile, else you will get a lot of trouble 14:41:13 <SmatZ> also, you will have "double steepness" and uphill-stright combinations 14:41:13 <frosch123> to be precise: the slope with one corner raised, as the three-corner-raised slope can already have a track it that direction 14:41:26 <SmatZ> or you will have to merge those two trackbits into one, blahblah 14:41:34 <SmatZ> as frosch123 says :) 14:41:43 <Char> whee 14:41:48 <Char> i got too much music i guess 14:42:22 <Char> kinda sucks to sort it :P 14:44:39 * yorick would like irregular-shaped windows 14:55:28 <benjamingoodger> how irregular? 14:56:13 <benjamingoodger> if they aren't perfectly square, they're technically irregular already 14:57:21 <yorick> not rectangular either 14:57:38 <benjamingoodger> pentagonal? 14:57:40 <benjamingoodger> hexagonal? 14:57:43 <benjamingoodger> septagonal? 14:57:59 <yorick> any of those 14:58:26 <benjamingoodger> for prefix in latin_numeric_prefixes: print "%sagonal" % prefix 15:00:31 <benjamingoodger> why? 15:01:17 *** Hequa [Hequa@212.149.178.192] has joined #openttd 15:06:35 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:06:57 <benjamingoodger> hey glx 15:14:37 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:16:56 <yorick> I got a 2-places at once-train :p 15:17:25 <SmatZ> once-train? 15:18:05 <benjamingoodger> I think he's trying to say he's built a train that is in two places at once 15:18:11 <yorick> loc in depot, wagons somewhere else 15:18:17 <yorick> teleporting fail 15:18:27 <SmatZ> ahh thanks 15:18:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-113.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:23:21 <yorick> SmatZ: could you look at http://mz.openttdcoop.org:8000/file/934fc6ceedf5/src/train_cmd.cpp#l4670 and see why it does not teleport the whole train? 15:25:09 <frosch123> GetNextVehicle skips articulated parts and rear heads of dual-headed engines 15:25:35 <SmatZ> yorick: GetNextVehicle I guess 15:25:37 <SmatZ> .... 15:25:39 <SmatZ> :-d 15:25:48 <frosch123> well, maybe rear heads are only skipped by GetNextUnit 15:25:51 <frosch123> cannot remember 15:25:55 <yorick> it doesn't even teleport the wagons... 15:26:19 <SmatZ> you can always do Vehicle *u = v->First() 15:26:22 <frosch123> lol, maybe you should modify u 15:26:37 <SmatZ> and use u = u->Next() 15:26:44 <SmatZ> haha 15:26:52 <SmatZ> you are reading 'v' in that while loop :) 15:26:53 <SmatZ> not u 15:27:05 <SmatZ> *do/while loop 15:27:09 <yorick> ;o 15:27:57 <frosch123> this way it only works for cruxnores 15:29:05 <SmatZ> why is frosch123 always faster than I :-p 15:29:39 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-66.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 15:30:44 <frosch123> I have just freshly lunched 15:31:19 <SmatZ> :) 15:31:34 <frosch123> maybe that's why you are faster usually 15:31:54 <SmatZ> :-D 15:32:08 <SmatZ> I don't lunch that often 15:32:42 <frosch123> wasn't you the one with four dinners per day? 15:34:56 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm223.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:24 <yorick> ah, thanks, that works 15:41:11 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:44:55 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:07 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:47:36 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-249-120.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:29 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:49:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet592.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:54:10 <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/force_palette.diff can any native speaker check this? thanks :) 15:54:21 <SmatZ> *native English speaker 15:54:49 <benjamingoodger> sure 15:55:32 <SmatZ> :) 15:55:40 <SmatZ> is it fine, benjamingoodger? 15:55:45 <benjamingoodger> I'd use "Force use of" possibly 15:55:48 <benjamingoodger> otherwise fine 15:56:28 <SmatZ> benjamingoodger: is it in the text I added? 15:56:47 <benjamingoodger> ah 15:56:49 <benjamingoodger> erm 15:57:00 <SmatZ> benjamingoodger: thanks :) 15:57:14 <benjamingoodger> I'd put "there is an argument, it is not empty, and it is exactly 1 char long" for clarity 15:57:20 <frosch123> yup, better do not change exiting texts, the raised english quality might confuse others :p 15:57:36 <benjamingoodger> though what you've put is technically correct, it's not idiomatically correct... stupid language 15:57:54 <SmatZ> hehe 16:01:36 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r14612 /trunk/src/openttd.cpp: -Change: force the argument given to '-i' parameter to be valid. Accept '2', too 16:01:57 <benjamingoodger> woop, I'm contributing to an open-source project 16:02:08 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:02:21 <SmatZ> thanks for help, benjamingoodger ;-) 16:02:33 <benjamingoodger> that's all right 16:02:45 <yorick> don't feed the troll... 16:02:53 <benjamingoodger> *glares* 16:03:16 <SmatZ> :) 16:03:19 <yorick> now he feels all special 16:03:25 <yorick> look what you've done 16:03:28 <SmatZ> :-P 16:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> don't worry, yorick, we only feed you on fridays 16:03:34 <SmatZ> :) 16:03:48 <benjamingoodger> ^_^ 16:05:02 <benjamingoodger> do feel free to throw any more snippets of english under my bridge 16:05:24 <yorick> go be a translator 16:05:25 <benjamingoodger> I shall emerge, ask a riddle, and then allow you passage, having scribbled down some hasty corrections 16:05:32 <SmatZ> :) 16:05:34 <benjamingoodger> I'd quite like to 16:05:48 <yorick> you'd translate english to english 16:05:51 <benjamingoodger> the problem being, I don't speak any other languages properly 16:05:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:07 <benjamingoodger> I can usually translate Google Translate English to British English, though 16:06:19 <benjamingoodger> not sure that's a legitimate career prospect. 16:07:47 <yorick> google translate "in Dutch" to english: "In English" 16:08:15 <yorick> with language recognition ;) 16:08:16 <benjamingoodger> indeed so. 16:08:32 <benjamingoodger> yes, the language recognition's a bit off 16:08:49 <benjamingoodger> I once asked it for the German for "pyjamas" and it told me it couldn't translate Malay 16:09:16 <yorick> it also has it with "in het Nederlands." 16:09:50 <benjamingoodger> excellent 16:11:04 <appe> o/ 16:11:08 <appe> evening. 16:11:33 <benjamingoodger> hej appe 16:12:11 <appe> everything 'rite? :> 16:12:27 <benjamingoodger> yorick has decided to hate me 16:12:32 <benjamingoodger> otherwise, yes, fine 16:12:41 <yorick> has he? 16:13:18 <benjamingoodger> well, you keep calling me a troll, and asking people not to talk to me 16:13:36 <benjamingoodger> I can only imagine you have some sort of dislike for me... 16:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that's his way of telling that he feels lonely and needs someone to love him 16:14:17 <benjamingoodger> ah, in that case I can fully sympathise 16:14:34 <benjamingoodger> nobody is permitted to talk to yorick, either :) 16:14:43 <yorick> :/ 16:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause> don't worry, he's on half the channel's ignore list anyway :p 16:17:05 <benjamingoodger> aww 16:17:51 <benjamingoodger> hmm, that raises worrying questions about my ignore-list incident frequency 16:17:55 <frosch123> + /* Clear the land as town to not affect town rating, and to not clear protected buildings */ <- "to not" or "not to" ? 16:18:25 <benjamingoodger> I'm more worried about "clear the land as town" 16:19:13 <benjamingoodger> but "to not" and "not to" are, generally, freely interchangeable --- though "not to" is slightly more standard 16:19:30 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179063024.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:44 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:20:59 <appe> hm 16:21:02 <appe> familiar with linux? 16:21:14 <benjamingoodger> but if you change it to "not to", then you need to put "so as" in front, for idiom purposes 16:21:18 <benjamingoodger> appe: yeah, why? 16:21:20 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody here uses linux 16:21:33 <appe> this server is really old. and i cant remember what ftps i have installed 16:21:39 <appe> i think its called a 'daemon' 16:21:49 <appe> and it suddenly doesnt work (i cant connect as usual) 16:21:51 <benjamingoodger> sounds about right 16:22:03 <benjamingoodger> the daemon part, I mean 16:22:24 <appe> how do i check what daemon's are "on"? 16:22:38 <yorick> deamons* 16:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause> ps -A 16:22:42 <appe> oh 16:22:58 <appe> 2204 ? 00:00:00 vsftpd 16:23:02 <appe> i guess that's the one 16:23:05 <appe> "that's"? 16:23:08 <benjamingoodger> yep 16:23:44 <appe> hm 16:23:45 <appe> well 16:24:02 <benjamingoodger> suggest restarting it? 16:24:04 <appe> oh! 16:24:07 <appe> it works, localy. 16:24:17 <benjamingoodger> /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart 16:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> then it's a firewall issue ;) 16:24:20 <benjamingoodger> possibly 16:24:28 <benjamingoodger> ah, yes, eddi is likely correct 16:24:42 <appe> ok, here we go 16:25:14 <appe> ok 16:25:21 <appe> i need to change the accounts 16:25:24 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:25 <appe> since it directs me to / 16:25:25 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 16:25:28 <appe> wich isnt that good. 16:25:28 <appe> :D 16:25:59 <Fantasya> Lithuania 3 place in young eurovision contest :D 16:26:27 <benjamingoodger> I thought you were viciously reprimanded for talking about music events earlier? 16:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i knew clearingt the ignore entry so early was a bad idea... 16:27:01 <Fantasya> :DD you dont like music? 16:27:19 <benjamingoodger> eddi: XD 16:27:30 <Fantasya> ./j music 16:27:31 <Fantasya> :DD 16:27:34 <appe> hmz. the port is open, but i still cant connect via my external ip. 16:28:41 <appe> aha 16:28:44 <Prof_Frink> Fantasya: Music is good. Eurovision is not music. 16:28:48 <appe> i found it. my linksys router's been messing around 16:28:51 <benjamingoodger> :) 16:28:59 <appe> i guess three years is what it can handle. 16:29:00 <appe> :> 16:29:14 <appe> bah 16:29:14 <appe> no 16:29:16 <appe> it wasnt. 16:29:18 <benjamingoodger> think yourself lucky. some people dream of seeing a linksys router 16:29:28 <appe> p21 is and has always been open for the server internal ip. 16:29:43 <appe> benjamingoodger: how come? it's not like it's expencive. 16:29:50 <appe> expensive? 16:29:53 <appe> c/s 16:29:57 <benjamingoodger> expensive 16:30:00 <appe> ah, ok. 16:30:13 <benjamingoodger> it's more expensive than £0.00, which was the cost of the crappy router my ISP supplied 16:30:26 <appe> ah, hehe. 16:30:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-113.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:34 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-181-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:30:36 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 16:30:43 <appe> i guess we swedes are more used to buy our own inet gear 16:31:05 <benjamingoodger> well, I'd happily buy my own router if I could get a decent internet connection 16:31:18 <benjamingoodger> I'm stuck with 6 Mbit ADSL 16:31:32 <benjamingoodger> with bandwidth caps 16:31:33 <appe> oh, that's not neat. 16:31:45 <appe> i pay 70SEK for uncapped gigabit 16:31:48 <appe> botways 16:31:51 <appe> bothways* 16:32:00 <benjamingoodger> I know, damn it! :( 16:32:17 <appe> 70SEK is about ten dollars, i think. 16:32:24 <benjamingoodger> I'm british 16:32:33 <benjamingoodger> but I'm aware of how ridiculously small 70 SEK is 16:33:06 <benjamingoodger> my connection costs 375 SEK at current exchange rates 16:33:13 <appe> yeah 16:33:28 <appe> thats a normal price for 8-24Mb DSL here to, though. 16:33:28 <yorick> I'm stuck with 20Mbit ADSL2+ without bantwith caps 16:33:29 <appe> to/too 16:33:45 <benjamingoodger> what else is there? 16:33:53 <appe> though, i wouldnt mind 10/10 instead of 1000/1000, as long as there is no cap. 16:33:54 <yorick> band* 16:34:04 <appe> benjamingoodger: what else is what? 16:34:16 <benjamingoodger> DSL costs 375 SEK pm 16:34:26 <benjamingoodger> you're paying 70 SEK pm for something better 16:34:27 <De_Ghosty> how high is ur cap on gigabit 16:34:30 <benjamingoodger> what is that? 16:34:39 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r14613 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2420]: When building industries, clear the tiles as OWNER_TOWN instead of the founder to take care of protected buildings and to not get stressed by town ratings. 16:35:08 <appe> De_Ghosty: nothing. 16:35:23 <benjamingoodger> is it fibre-optic? 16:35:32 <appe> i have actually never seen any caps on any bb here. 16:35:43 <benjamingoodger> cat5e cables buried underground? 16:35:44 <De_Ghosty> can't get gigabit without fiber or really short cat6 16:35:50 <benjamingoodger> some sort of weird satellite system? 16:36:05 <De_Ghosty> not that i know of 16:36:14 <appe> De_Ghosty: fiber to the basement, and cat6 up to the wall sockets. 16:36:24 <benjamingoodger> actually, that was me 16:36:31 <appe> i think it's a splitter (or what ever they call it) on every new floor. 16:36:32 <yorick> they're making fiber here, but we can't use it 16:38:22 <mrfrenzy> you can run 10 Gbit up to 55 meters on Cat6 16:40:04 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-249-120.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 16:42:00 <appe> holy cow. 16:42:08 <appe> the english inbreeding is getting more or less a fact. 16:42:31 <yorick> mh, if there are trains on a bankrupting company's tracks, and there is no where to teleport them to, should they be sold, or deleted? 16:42:39 <benjamingoodger> only in plymouth, cornwall, wales, somerset, and north scotlant 16:42:58 * appe needs to poo. 16:43:13 <Prof_Frink> benjamingoodger: You missed Norfolk. 16:43:16 <benjamingoodger> yorick: redirected to depot if possible and then sold, otherwise deleted 16:43:31 <benjamingoodger> ah, yes, norfolk 16:44:52 <Prof_Frink> And technically in Wales ad north Scotland it ain't english inbreeding. 16:45:17 <benjamingoodger> this will piss off a tremendous number of people, but wales is part of england still 16:45:40 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, but say that in the wrong pub in Wales... 16:45:49 <benjamingoodger> well, yeah 16:45:54 <benjamingoodger> but that pub is filled with morons 16:46:04 <Prof_Frink> inbred morons. 16:46:05 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r14614 /trunk/src/ (tree_cmd.cpp tree_map.h): -Codechange [FS#2423]: GetTreeCount() should behave as its name and documentation imply. Remove unused SetTreeCount() (PhilSophus) 16:46:14 <benjamingoodger> but you're right about scotland; though I think appe was referring to great britain in general, since england/scotland isn't sufficiently different to warrant separation by foreigners 16:46:22 <benjamingoodger> we just have different accents, really 16:46:37 <benjamingoodger> oh, and scots are fatter 16:47:58 <appe> ehm 16:48:18 <benjamingoodger> yeeeeis? 16:48:31 <appe> it was rather prejudice 16:48:36 <appe> if used correct 16:48:37 <appe> but 16:48:38 <appe> yes. 16:49:13 <appe> 20:16 < benjamingoodger> this will piss off a tremendous number of people, but wales is part of england still 16:49:16 <appe> 20:16 < Prof_Frink> Yeah, but say that in the wrong pub in Wales... 16:49:20 <appe> is that seriosly a problem these days? 16:49:23 <appe> talk about stubborn. 16:49:24 <appe> :D 16:49:25 <benjamingoodger> oh yes 16:49:39 <benjamingoodger> welsh people continue setting fire to englishmen's holiday caravans 16:49:43 <appe> bah 16:49:45 <appe> lame. 16:49:54 <appe> patriotism makes people weak. 16:50:04 <appe> especially when living on the same got damn island. 16:50:05 <benjamingoodger> it's not patriotism, it's nationalism 16:50:15 <appe> in my book, that's the same thing. 16:50:33 <Prof_Frink> benjamingoodger: There's nothing wrong with burning caravans. 16:50:59 <benjamingoodger> only when they're blocking the third lane of the M5 16:54:17 <Prof_Frink> Or generally blocking the A5 16:54:36 <appe> the national party had a big demonstration when i was in london 16:54:51 <appe> people in side walks were actually doin seige hail. 16:55:00 <appe> we kind of left. 16:55:01 <appe> :D 16:55:11 <benjamingoodger> the BNP? 16:55:15 <appe> ye 16:55:21 <benjamingoodger> ah... those wankers 16:55:30 <benjamingoodger> it's illegal to belong to that party if you're a policeman 16:55:32 <benjamingoodger> that's how bad they are 16:55:37 <appe> well 16:55:40 <appe> great. 16:55:47 <appe> we have the same issue here in sweden 16:55:58 <appe> the nationalistic partie (word) is on the up-rizing 16:56:14 <appe> since they promise all the racist hillbillys free'r taxes and stuff. 16:56:17 <appe> fuckheads. 16:56:26 <benjamingoodger> hmm 16:56:33 <benjamingoodger> surely people don't take them seriously? 16:56:43 <appe> i bet they beleive them selfs to have good reasons, and i dont think there are any nazies in the partie top 16:56:50 <appe> though, all the nazi fuck heads join them. 16:57:21 <benjamingoodger> I mean, the BNP may be headline-grabbers, but they haven't ever won any seats in parliament 16:57:27 <appe> oh, ok. 16:57:34 <benjamingoodger> or even got close 16:57:42 <appe> they are getting closer here 16:57:48 <appe> but it might be temporary 16:57:51 <appe> or at least i hope so 16:57:55 <appe> i "partie" right? 16:58:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:58:10 <benjamingoodger> party 16:58:13 <benjamingoodger> byran == party 16:58:24 <benjamingoodger> party and another party == parties 16:58:37 <appe> ah, ok 16:58:38 <appe> thanks. 16:58:41 <benjamingoodger> well, the christian democrats' majority will probably be temporary too :P 16:58:46 <appe> you don't mind me asking, do you? 16:58:50 <appe> hehe 16:58:54 <benjamingoodger> no, not at all 16:59:46 <benjamingoodger> see, the thing with european democracy is that nobody can do very much in one direction or the other 17:00:09 <benjamingoodger> whereas, in the US, a president (one man!) can do tremendous amounts of things just by himself 17:00:40 <benjamingoodger> and in the UK, the elected party forms the entire government and dictates all law for the entire term 17:01:07 <SmatZ> benjamingoodger: so can in, say, Venezuela :-P 17:01:59 <benjamingoodger> ah, you've spotted my point :P 17:02:31 <benjamingoodger> basically, we choose between two sets of autocrats every five years 17:02:33 <SmatZ> good :) 17:03:21 * appe repairs watches 17:03:23 <appe> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Bilder/london/SL274371.JPG 17:03:30 <benjamingoodger> it's about as democratic as zimbabwe 17:03:39 <SmatZ> :) 17:04:24 <benjamingoodger> your server is very, very slow 17:04:43 <benjamingoodger> apparently you need a faster internet connection :P 17:05:44 <Prof_Frink> benjamingoodger: http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/55741/1225308539/scumandvilliany.jpg 17:06:08 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:14 <appe> benjamingoodger: it's not mine. 17:06:16 <benjamingoodger> ah 17:06:19 <benjamingoodger> very well 17:06:19 <appe> and the pictures are rather big, i guess. 17:06:25 <benjamingoodger> Prof_Frink: point being? 17:06:48 <Prof_Frink> Think what Kenobi's saying. 17:06:54 <Prof_Frink> clue's in the filename. 17:07:09 <benjamingoodger> ...yes 17:07:21 <benjamingoodger> why are you drawing my attention to it? 17:07:37 <Prof_Frink> 'cause. 17:07:39 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:03 <benjamingoodger> righto 17:11:21 <benjamingoodger> ah, it's good to feel serotonin flooding into one's brain 17:12:41 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:12:56 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:33 <Fantasya> "appe repairs watches" ;DD 17:14:36 <Fantasya> broken? :D 17:15:58 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:10 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:21:03 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:21 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@user-5445016b.lns3-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 17:31:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-245-12.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:41:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <benjamingoodger> basically, we choose between two sets of autocrats every five years <- that's what you get from a majority representation system instead of a proportional representation system ;) 17:41:36 <benjamingoodger> quite 17:41:38 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, both systems have their flaws 17:41:51 <benjamingoodger> yes 17:41:59 <benjamingoodger> PR doesn't achieve a great deal 17:42:09 <Eddi|zuHause> germany used a purely proportional system between 1919 and 1933 17:42:24 <benjamingoodger> MR achieves a great deal, but generally does it without the consent of the people the achievements affect 17:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> which made them end up with a certain leader guy 17:42:31 <benjamingoodger> yes, I remember 17:42:55 <benjamingoodger> it worked well until the country hyperinflated 17:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the hyperinflation was in the beginning, it worked better after the system stabilised, but then the american economy crash happend, and everything was down the drain 17:43:56 <Eddi|zuHause> because practically the whole economy was built by american credits 17:45:56 <benjamingoodger> indeed 17:49:28 <benjamingoodger> right, methinks my personal statement is as good as it will get... sending now 17:49:52 <benjamingoodger> oh, bugger 17:49:57 <benjamingoodger> all chat rooms look alike 17:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, after 1945, they installed kind of a hybrid system in (west) germany 17:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> where one half of the seats of the "Bundestag" get distributed by majority vote, and the other half by proportional vote 17:51:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and a "5% proportional or 3 majority seats" rule for minimum requirements, to reduce number of (usually radical) tiny parties 17:52:40 <benjamingoodger> aha 17:52:52 <benjamingoodger> that seems to be what sweden lacks 17:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> afaik there was one case where a party reached 3 majority seats without getting 5% of the proportional votes 17:53:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and suddenly everybody shrieked... "where did this loophole come from?" 17:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> :P 17:54:05 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:59 <benjamingoodger> so does it work well? 17:55:49 <benjamingoodger> you seem to still have chancellor merkel, but otherwise germany continues as a truly momentous economy at least 17:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the system is not perfect either, but the funny situation after the last election was, that neither of the previously dominant sides had a majority, so they had to arrange themselves to work together 17:58:49 <benjamingoodger> ah 17:58:59 <benjamingoodger> well, that's the best we can hope for, I suppose 17:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause> next election is in fall 2009, i think 17:59:11 <benjamingoodger> "autumn" 17:59:16 <benjamingoodger> it's pronounced "autumn" 17:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> that is an unspeakable word... 18:00:14 <benjamingoodger> why? 18:01:00 <Eddi|zuHause> because you cannot speak two conecutive consonants, unless they belong to two separate syllables 18:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> +s 18:01:29 <benjamingoodger> ah 18:01:30 <benjamingoodger> yes 18:01:34 <benjamingoodger> we don't say the n 18:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> then why write it? 18:02:25 <yorick> because it's english 18:02:25 <benjamingoodger> why write the P or the H in psychology or the E in wake? 18:02:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-181-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:36 <benjamingoodger> english _thrives_ on nonsensical spellings 18:03:19 <benjamingoodger> in german, "wake" would be spelt "wÀk" 18:03:20 <yorick> benjamingoodger: because the P and the H were originally pronounced 18:03:34 <benjamingoodger> no, they were not 18:04:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:15 <yorick> yes, because greek does not have a letter pronounced as "ps", or one pronounced as "ch" 18:04:25 <yorick> did* 18:04:57 <benjamingoodger> well, it has one pronounced as "sy" 18:05:06 <benjamingoodger> and one pronounced "ch" 18:05:15 <yorick> what's the "sy" one? 18:05:20 <benjamingoodger> psi 18:05:35 <yorick> psi is pronounced "ps" 18:05:49 <benjamingoodger> *blink* 18:06:12 <yorick> "In both Classical and Modern Greek, the letter indicates the combination /ps/ (like in English "lapse")." 18:06:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.175] has joined #openttd 18:06:28 * Swallow warns the world that yorick is right here 18:06:54 <benjamingoodger> well, it has one pronounced "ch" at least 18:07:00 <benjamingoodger> namely, chi 18:07:17 <yorick> agreed 18:07:38 <benjamingoodger> I estimate "ÏÏ ÏολογοÏ" 18:08:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14615 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 18:08:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-23 18:07:42 18:08:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: dutch - 29 changed by MsG (29) 18:08:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: finnish - 60 fixed, 2 changed by jpx_ (3), UltimateSephiroth (59) 18:08:04 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: hungarian - 37 changed by oklmernok (37) 18:08:06 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: romanian - 13 fixed, 39 changed by stykat (52) 18:08:06 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 4 fixed by mad (4) 18:08:12 <Prof_Frink> It's all greek to me 18:08:27 * benjamingoodger deducts Prof_Frink one internet point for making a terrible joke 18:09:22 <benjamingoodger> <yorick> greek does not have a letter pronounced as "ps", or one pronounced as "ch" 18:09:28 <benjamingoodger> <yorick> psi is pronounced "ps" 18:09:37 <benjamingoodger> <benjamingoodger> well, it has one pronounced "ch" at least, namely, chi 18:09:48 <benjamingoodger> <yorick> agreed 18:09:49 <benjamingoodger> idiot 18:10:10 <yorick> oh look, sarcasm on the internet 18:13:20 <benjamingoodger> ...anyway 18:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "the P or the H in psychology" <- the p is actually spoken in german, and 'ch' is one sound, not two separate ones 18:14:57 <yorick> same in dutch ;) 18:14:57 <benjamingoodger> so you go "puh-sy-kologie"? 18:15:17 <yorick> no, psychologie" 18:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> "ch" is not spoken like "k" 18:15:33 <benjamingoodger> ah, true 18:15:41 <benjamingoodger> I assumed it would become k when entering german 18:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "ch" is like a weak version of "sch" 18:15:59 <benjamingoodger> yes, yes, I did study german at school :P 18:16:10 <yorick> no, it became a ch spoken as k when entering english 18:16:21 <benjamingoodger> I was surrounded by morons going "ish bin..." all the time, it was maddening 18:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 18:16:57 <benjamingoodger> english has about two or three uses for the ch diphthong, you see 18:17:03 <benjamingoodger> it's quite difficult for us 18:17:32 <Prof_Frink> And hown many ways can "ough" be pronounced? 18:17:36 <SmatZ> http://epos.ure.cas.cz/cgi-bin/saye.cgi?lang=czech you may use this for voice synthesis (only czech) 18:17:42 <yorick> dutch has a k-one at the beginning of a word, otherwise it's like german, but a bit stronger 18:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's difficult for us to pronounce "Loch" the way the scottish do 18:17:48 <benjamingoodger> just the one, afaik 18:18:05 <benjamingoodger> by itself 18:18:10 <benjamingoodger> erm... two at least 18:18:18 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and then there is "Yacht" 18:18:30 <benjamingoodger> three 18:18:39 <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: "yot" :P 18:19:10 <yorick> that's a loanword from dutch 18:19:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: in german, the "ch" is spoken differently based on context 18:19:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "ich" is spoken entirely different than "ach" 18:20:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (and both are not spoken like "k", unless you are in berlin) 18:20:25 <yorick> I know 18:20:32 <yorick> I know 18:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and then it's highly disputed how "China" is pronounced... 18:20:57 <yorick> "christ" 18:21:09 <benjamingoodger> 0.0 18:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> oh damn... i have to work on a presentation that i need to hold on tuesday, and i can absolutely not concentrate... 18:22:48 <benjamingoodger> probably because you're allowing yourself to be exposed to foreigners jabbering about pronunciation 18:23:15 <yorick> Eddi: idem 18:23:26 <yorick> but I need to hold it in french 18:26:06 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-249-120.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:15 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: close Konversation 18:26:27 <SmatZ> and don't open it until you are finished with your work :-P 18:26:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid there's more to it... 18:33:59 <yorick> whoa, the snow is not melting anymore 18:34:29 <yorick> @seen Bjarni 18:34:29 <DorpsGek> yorick: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 6 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <Bjarni> <ln-> well, good to see you back amongst the healthy, in any case. <-- sort off.... I'm totally tired and I missed everything at uni this week 18:34:32 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E339.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EF3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:06:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:40 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:40 <Patrick> that hurt :/ 19:14:50 <Patrick> I used planes to cheat my way into big money for an impressive project 19:14:57 <Patrick> paid off my loan by blowing up the sea 19:14:59 <Patrick> 10 mil :( 19:15:39 <benjamingoodger> you used planes to cheat? 19:15:47 *** Fantasya [~a@78.59.192.248] has quit [] 19:15:48 <Patrick> well, it's so stupidly easy to make money 19:15:49 <benjamingoodger> and then paid off your bank loan by blowing up the sea? 19:15:52 <Patrick> nope 19:15:57 <Patrick> 3 planes brought me in 1.5 million a year. 19:16:01 <Patrick> I consider that too easy 19:16:16 <Patrick> so I use them as an unofficial "loan" 19:16:31 <benjamingoodger> oh, I see 19:16:37 <Patrick> it would be great if your maximum loan changed as a function of company value 19:16:49 <Patrick> like, I've made my first mil, but I want to fund a primary industry or something silly huge 19:16:54 <benjamingoodger> it does 19:17:01 <Patrick> only up to 500l 19:17:04 <Patrick> *500k 19:17:07 <benjamingoodger> ah 19:17:08 <Patrick> which is little fish 19:18:20 *** DASPRiD is now known as DASPRiD|off 19:19:04 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 19:24:48 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:28:08 <Eddi|zuHause> max loan does not change with company value 19:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause> max loan only changes with inflation 19:30:22 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:49 <benjamingoodger> ah 19:34:54 <benjamingoodger> bugger :( 19:47:40 <petern> realistic economy? heh 19:47:54 <appe> how does one change the home catalogue for a user in debian? 19:48:24 <benjamingoodger> home catalogue? 19:49:51 *** yorick [yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:45 <Sacro> I went to a German Restaurant the other day. Not a pleasant experience. 19:50:45 <Sacro> The starter was saurkraut, and it was bloody awful. 19:50:45 <Sacro> But the wurst was yet to come. 19:51:02 <Prof_Frink> *spang* 19:52:47 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: true 20:09:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-139-93.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:12:04 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:05 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:15:07 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:25 <mortal> appe, it's in /etc/passwd iirc 20:20:48 <mortal> second to last field 20:21:04 <mortal> though I'd probably rather add a new user with a specific homedir 20:21:12 <mortal> or symlink the preferred location to your current homedir 20:21:43 *** Char [~Ich@d83-180-249-120.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 20:23:47 <mrfrenzy> vipw 20:24:50 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:35:08 <Swallow> Yorick, are you alive? 20:35:18 <yorick> yes 20:35:28 <yorick> AFAIK 20:35:30 <yorick> why? 20:35:41 <Swallow> I have a comment regarding your feeder share patch 20:36:03 <Swallow> consider the following situation: A runs a train company, and B a local bus company... 20:36:10 <yorick> mhm 20:36:16 <Swallow> A delivers pax to the central station... 20:36:35 <yorick> mhm 20:36:37 <Swallow> the passengers rot there for a month, and then B brings them to the final station 20:36:42 <yorick> mhm 20:37:12 <Swallow> Final payment will now be lower than the transfer credits for A 20:37:27 <Swallow> So B will receive a negative payment :) 20:37:36 <yorick> yes 20:38:06 <Swallow> I doubt that players will like that 20:38:20 <mrfrenzy> that seems pretty realistic to mee 20:38:26 <yorick> B also would if he'd get the feeder share 20:38:31 <mrfrenzy> if passengers have to wait for a month they would demand compensation 20:38:47 <yorick> negative income animation is shown, but feeder shares are paid 20:38:50 <yorick> ;) 20:39:21 <yorick> anyway, have to go 20:39:28 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye! Poef!] 20:40:28 <Swallow> mrfrenzy, please talk to belugas about realism 20:45:26 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:29 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:49:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe6ad.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:32 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5550c003.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:58:58 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-75-37.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:16 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:02:09 *** benjamin_ [~ben@host217-44-84-254.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:03:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:52 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D6C4.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:06:38 *** Hequa [Hequa@212.149.178.192] has quit [] 21:07:20 <Wolf01> 'night 21:07:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:10:22 <appe> oh god 21:10:28 <appe> this en-route thingy is amazing 21:10:36 <appe> i havent used it before 21:10:37 <George> DaleStan: I try to define sound 21:10:38 <George> -1 * 0 11 01 00 21:10:40 <George> -1 ** sound/power.wav 21:10:41 <George> but get the following error 21:10:43 <George> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler 21:10:44 <George> Warning: Compression is enabled by default, disable with -u 21:10:45 <appe> (transfer+empty) 21:10:46 <George> Encoding in temporary file ECSBasicw.new 21:10:48 <George> Error: Encountered invalid character looking for literal byte. 21:10:49 <George> While reading sprite:2566 21:10:51 <George> What am I doing wrong? 21:13:21 <Vikthor> appe: And that's still nothing compared to cargo destinations ;) 21:17:57 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-84-254.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 21:19:02 *** benjamin_ is now known as benjamingoodger 21:19:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83C6F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82877.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:22:55 <appe> Vikthor: cargo destinations? 21:22:58 <appe> :) 21:26:05 <appe> this is so fun now when i can use the complexity of it 21:35:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:08 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:40:10 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5550c003.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:43:21 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:00 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14616 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2424]: a nearest depot order should be "equal" to the resolved nearest depot order; otherwise we keep resolving the nearest depot order every tick. 21:51:06 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.248.16.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 21:57:24 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:01:05 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.8] has joined #openttd 22:04:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 22:05:13 <Yexo> hello 22:05:27 <SmatZ> hello Yexo 22:05:33 <Yexo> hi SmatZ 22:05:50 <benjamingoodger> hello SmatZ 22:05:54 <benjamingoodger> hello yexo 22:06:42 <nicfer> one question, I've been playing multiplayer openttd servers with the score goal mod but I can't rise my company value 22:07:06 <nicfer> how can rise it? 22:07:13 <nicfer> can I* 22:07:23 <benjamingoodger> making profit is a good way to start 22:08:11 <nicfer> I tried to make profit by too many ways but it doesn't go higher than 1 22:08:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 22:08:37 <benjamingoodger> you need to make enough to pay off your loan first 22:09:10 <nicfer> someones managed to make profit even with loans 22:09:28 <appe> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Farhead%20Transport,%2010th%20Apr%202175%20frenz.sav 22:09:30 <appe> here you go 22:09:36 <appe> please help me find the "train is lost" errors. 22:09:41 <appe> and feel free to give tip 22:09:43 <benjamingoodger> you can make profit with a loan 22:10:06 <benjamingoodger> but you need to have more money than your loan before the company value will rise above 1 22:10:24 <appe> solidity. 22:10:32 * appe own company holds 100% at the moment. 22:10:35 <benjamingoodger> my stomach hurts :( 22:10:39 <appe> wich is not so weird, maby. 22:19:14 <petern> which, maybe? 22:20:37 <benjamingoodger> methinks his own comment 22:26:25 <appe> petern: ah, thank you. 22:31:08 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... 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Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 22:35:56 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.248.16.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:17 <appe> uhm 22:36:21 <appe> im having trouble here. 22:36:57 <appe> i have alot of trains that empty iron ore at station 1, and a big ass train that collects it all and sends it to a steel mill 22:37:12 <appe> it fills up, and leaves everything on the station at the steel mill 22:37:15 <appe> but it costs 22:37:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-245-12.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:37:28 <benjamingoodger> set the lot of trains to transfer and leave empty 22:37:37 <appe> they do 22:37:41 <benjamingoodger> set the big-ass train to unload, not to transfer 22:37:44 <appe> aha 22:37:44 <appe> ok 22:37:51 <benjamingoodger> otherwise the cargo just sits there 22:38:03 <appe> uhm 22:38:16 <appe> tranfer and leave empty on the steel mills station? 22:38:30 <appe> +s 22:38:30 <glx> for the transfer station 22:38:53 <appe> but not leave empty? 22:38:55 <appe> :3 22:39:00 <appe> that cant be correct? 22:39:12 <benjamingoodger> the little trains full load at the mines 22:39:21 <benjamingoodger> transfer and leave empty at the big station 22:39:31 <benjamingoodger> the big train full loads at the big station 22:39:35 <benjamingoodger> unloads at the mill 22:40:00 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@BAF48a4.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:40:29 <glx> use a simple "goto" at the mill (it will unload if accepted) 22:41:03 <appe> still costs. 22:41:20 <appe> let me give you a save. 22:41:31 <benjamingoodger> I'm on an old version, sorry :( 22:41:43 <appe> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Farhead%20Transport,%206th%20Jul%202178%20problem.sav 22:41:44 <appe> oh, ok. 22:41:48 <appe> there it is. 22:41:49 <AgentLeMan> hello everybody 22:41:58 <appe> the issue is train 82. 22:42:03 <appe> and excuse the mess.. 22:42:03 <appe> :D 22:42:16 <benjamingoodger> hello m. le Man 22:43:07 <AgentLeMan> hello benjamin, the good german ;o) 22:44:01 <AgentLeMan> uhm.. on asidenote let me start again 22:44:07 <AgentLeMan> hello benjamin :o) 22:44:32 <appe> ah 22:44:34 <appe> works now. 22:44:51 <benjamingoodger> I haven't been to sleep since we first had this conversation 22:44:56 <appe> :O 22:45:01 <appe> get some, damnit. 22:45:04 <benjamingoodger> I have been up for nearly 33 hours 22:45:58 <appe> but seriosly 22:45:59 <AgentLeMan> hm, wasnt there a key, with which we can focus the mainwindow on a vehicle? so the vehicle moves the mainwindow, so to speak? 22:46:06 <benjamingoodger> bloody hell --- 4.4% unemployment predicted for scotland 22:46:07 <appe> i want to leave it for the steel mill to be processed 22:46:23 <appe> now, it just tranfer the iron ore TO the steel mill station, and not to the steel mill. 22:46:43 <appe> if i simply use "unload" instead of "transfer and leave empty" it costs me instead 22:46:46 <appe> i cant see the problem 22:46:53 <Yexo> AgentLeMan: hold control while you click on the "eye"-icon in the vehicle window 22:46:57 <benjamingoodger> if you use unload it's actually doing it correctly 22:47:10 <appe> but im not receiving any money for it, it costs me. 22:47:10 <benjamingoodger> the way it's represented is a bit weird 22:47:10 <appe> :< 22:47:14 <AgentLeMan> what was the beginning, your first question, appe? 22:47:24 <AgentLeMan> Yexo thank you :o) 22:47:29 <benjamingoodger> but over the course of the whole thing, it's making profit 22:48:16 <appe> AgentLeMan: i have a bunch of trains sending iron ore to transfer station "1". a big ass train then collects it and sends it to station "2", wich is the steel mill. i want it to leave it for production on the mill. 22:49:02 <appe> the train has this route: Station 1: Transfer and take cargo (the iron ore) -> Station 2: Transfer and leave empty (to the steel mill). 22:49:29 <appe> if using "Transfer and leave empty" for Station 2, it leaves the cargo on the station, and it just sits there. the steel mill doesnt process it. 22:49:29 <AgentLeMan> appe, you was here already i guess :http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Feeder_service 22:49:38 <AgentLeMan> -was +were 22:50:08 <appe> if using "Unload" it unloads all the goods, but doesnt bring any income what so ever, it costs me money. 22:50:11 <appe> and i dont understand it. 22:50:55 <appe> although, if i unload it the steel mill processes it, and then the steel may be re-sent 22:51:22 <appe> what i dont understand is why the big ass iron ore train doesnt get payed. 22:51:24 <appe> payd 22:51:26 <appe> payed? 22:51:30 <benjamingoodger> paid 22:51:33 <benjamingoodger> :P 22:51:45 <benjamingoodger> you have made profit somewhere along the way, it's just inadequately represented 22:52:33 <AgentLeMan> °follws train #85 while rolling a cigarette° 22:53:08 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:14 <benjamingoodger> filth! 22:54:10 <appe> aha 22:54:29 <appe> benjamingoodger: so, it has been paid, so to speak? 22:54:42 <benjamingoodger> _you_ have been paid 22:54:52 <benjamingoodger> the train will not show a loss, either 22:54:57 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:58 <AgentLeMan> appe, its station #85-> station #59 -> station #82, right? 22:55:00 <benjamingoodger> beyond that, it's all completely random 22:55:20 <appe> AgentLeMan: yes. 22:55:23 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:55:25 <appe> or wait 22:55:25 <appe> no 22:55:37 <AgentLeMan> well, i think, it is ;o) 22:55:37 <appe> benjamingoodger: the train shows a massive loss. 22:55:48 <benjamingoodger> hmm 22:55:57 <benjamingoodger> well, it will be prevented from complaining about it, at least 22:56:00 <appe> AgentLeMan: what? train 82 only use two stations. 22:56:05 <appe> ok 22:56:06 <appe> :D 22:57:37 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BBC84.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:57:46 <AgentLeMan> station #85 <L-train #85-U> station #59 <L-train #82-U> station #82 °winks° 22:58:29 <appe> o_0 22:59:42 <benjamingoodger> good night 23:00:23 <AgentLeMan> its basically the annotation for the used stations, trains and orders for the topic-relevant objects. 23:00:40 <AgentLeMan> good night, benjamin 23:00:53 <AgentLeMan> and, appe, theres a huge drawback 23:00:56 <AgentLeMan> "To enable feeder services, go to Configure Patches, go to Stations and make sure "Deliver cargo to a station only when there is a demand" is set to OFF." 23:01:15 <AgentLeMan> IF that still is valid. 23:01:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:21 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:03:42 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:06:51 <AgentLeMan> "hold control while you click on the "eye"-icon in the vehicle window" / that is supposed to work only in the closest zoom-mode, right? ( at least it works like that in the latest nightly ) 23:10:51 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:31 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 23:12:33 <appe> i solved it 23:12:41 <appe> i didnt have enough iron ore 23:12:42 <nicfer> is posted in the forums the score mod in mp? 23:12:45 <appe> to the transfer station 23:13:01 <appe> as the amount of iron ore increased, the trains losses decreased. 23:13:09 *** Runr [~Runar@30.11.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:18 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:18 *** Runr [~Runar@30.11.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has left #openttd [] 23:13:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D6DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:29 <AgentLeMan> hmmm 23:16:35 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:40 <AgentLeMan> and yes, its a big mess! ;o) 23:21:11 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BBC84.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:24:03 <AgentLeMan> appe ? 23:25:01 <appe> :D 23:25:05 <appe> i still dont get it 23:25:11 <appe> the train does go minus. 23:25:16 <appe> let me give you a new save. 23:25:22 <AgentLeMan> train #82 you mean? 23:25:29 <Aali> appe: what are you trying to do? 23:25:31 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-84-254.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:44 <appe> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Farhead%20Transport,%2027th%20Mar%202183%20problem1.sav 23:25:47 <AgentLeMan> Aali, one way feederservice 23:25:53 <appe> Aali: im trying to get a transfer train to go +. 23:26:10 <appe> all the little trains driving iron ore to the transfer station has a + income 23:26:23 <appe> and the train that collects the steel from the steel mill to the factory 23:26:44 <appe> but not the train that collects iron ore from the transfer station, and brings it for process at the steel mill. 23:27:09 <appe> on the latest save (see url) it's train #82 and #91 23:27:17 <AgentLeMan> appe, as i see it train #82 makes a negative profit, because it has to transfer all that stuff from sooo many stations, so often, it only transfers stuff from only a few, so the other cargo lays there for ages around. 23:27:41 <appe> the iron ore on the big station lies to long? 23:27:48 <appe> ah, ok 23:27:51 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-156-74-176.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:28:17 <Aali> appe: get rid of the unload order 23:28:26 <appe> ok 23:28:27 <Aali> just use a regular goto order 23:28:42 <AgentLeMan> and... if there lays cargo from 20 stations, 82 will only load cargo from 5 or so, so it can be, that cargo from some stations never gets to the targetstation 23:29:14 <appe> oh, ok 23:29:42 <appe> if i add another train (hence emptying the tranfer station more often) i can get better results? 23:30:00 <AgentLeMan> oooh appe! 23:30:22 * appe add four clones 23:30:44 <Aali> ah 23:30:49 <AgentLeMan> hm, no, sorry, i thought, train #56 ALSO transports ore 23:30:51 <Aali> this is just how feeder shares work 23:30:58 <Aali> you are making money 23:31:04 <appe> ok 23:31:18 <appe> shit, i have to clone alot of trains 23:31:25 <Aali> but the transfer trains get too much money 23:31:43 <Aali> so the large trains "lose" money to make up for it 23:31:46 <appe> ah, ok 23:31:50 <appe> aha 23:31:52 <appe> aaah! 23:32:02 <appe> a switch in my head went on 23:32:07 <appe> the logic falls into place. 23:32:10 <appe> thanks. 23:32:48 <Nite_Owl> Feeder lines = short final destination lines = long(er) 23:33:07 <appe> yes 23:33:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:48 <AgentLeMan> but isnt it also written, that only the last train makes the profit? 23:35:49 <Aali> you don't get anything unless you actually deliver the cargo 23:35:57 * appe funds new iron ore mines 23:36:01 <Aali> but you still get transfer money 23:36:04 <AgentLeMan> appe, you could make it a bit faster, if you use a two-way-tunnel for train #82, so it doesnt get botherd by the graintrains 23:36:12 <Aali> (not real money) 23:36:32 <AgentLeMan> Aali, but thanks also, i was all the time confused about the negative income, makes totally sense now 23:37:25 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:37:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:37:53 <Aali> its quite confusing indeed, but as you can't know what the final profit will be, its hard to "fix" 23:38:27 <Aali> appe: you could make it a bit faster by getting rid of all those awfully narrow corners :P 23:39:44 <Aali> 2x45 curves are awful and 90 degree curves shouldn't even be allowed :P 23:41:18 <AgentLeMan> im saying 23:41:26 <Eddi|zuHause> only use 360° turns, they are the most superior ;) 23:42:39 <AgentLeMan> LOL 23:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> shh... not so loud in the middle of the night 23:44:26 <appe> :D 23:44:38 <AgentLeMan> °slams hammer on letters° 23:44:42 <AgentLeMan> lol 23:44:52 <appe> hehe 23:44:59 <appe> im way to lazy to fix it now 23:45:06 <AgentLeMan> appe: the #82 train is very important 23:45:27 <appe> train 82? 23:45:35 <appe> thats a normal iron ore shipper. 23:46:22 <AgentLeMan> i changed it, so it now has 1 rail, an additional stationpart for itself, which leads into a long tunnel towards its goal, there are oinly 2 curves, which are like 30° 23:46:35 <appe> oh, ok. 23:47:07 <Aali> 30 degree curves? what game are you playing? :D 23:47:20 <AgentLeMan> that way, it wont be bothered by #56 and #81 23:47:28 <appe> http://fac.dndr.se/poo/Farhead%20Transport,%2016th%20Aug%202186.sav 23:47:42 <AgentLeMan> Aali, okok, its more like 45° 23:47:50 <AgentLeMan> sorry. 23:48:01 <Aali> :) 23:48:20 <AgentLeMan> but also appe, with that tunnel, you can basically make #82 infinitely long 23:48:32 <Aali> anyway, what matters is how far apart those 45 degree curves are 23:48:34 <appe> i dont get it 23:48:39 <appe> 82 doesnt have to be long 23:48:43 <appe> and it doesnt have to be perfect 23:49:00 <appe> since its a two truck iron ore transfer train 23:49:29 <AgentLeMan> but it looks nicer :oD and is less messy 23:50:00 <appe> :) 23:50:51 <AgentLeMan> although, that saved game has only a minimal maximum (?) amount of prettyness to achieve, its just a bit much all in all 23:51:28 <appe> yeah 23:51:32 <appe> i wish i did a bigger map. 23:51:32 <appe> :> 23:51:44 <AgentLeMan> and i officially vow, i wont ever switch to those fast trains . im getting dizzy by the fluttering :o( 23:52:19 <appe> thats the thing i like 23:52:25 <appe> i want it to look like a processor running. 23:52:25 <appe> :D 23:52:39 <Aali> your processor must be very slow :/ 23:52:41 <appe> time to get some sleep 23:52:42 <appe> hehe 23:52:44 <appe> kisses! 23:52:59 <AgentLeMan> bye appew 23:53:01 <AgentLeMan> -w 23:53:45 <AgentLeMan> Aali °grins° aye, im feeling kinda the urge to take some 12 hours and rework the whole thing 23:54:50 <Aali> nah, flatworld and no grfs, i can't play like that anymore 23:55:04 <Aali> its too ugly 23:55:04 <AgentLeMan> 23:55:29 <AgentLeMan> well... waht about this : 23:55:56 <AgentLeMan> destory stationn #59, make a huge volcano, then try to make profit 23:56:03 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-245-12.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:56:21 <Aali> still waaaaay too easy to make gazillions of cash 23:56:48 <AgentLeMan> okay, next option 23:56:57 <AgentLeMan> do it with... planes only! 23:57:02 <Brianetta> My server settings make experienced players go bankrupt 23:58:12 <AgentLeMan> Brianetta, experienced players? or just... uber-rich players? 23:58:14 *** davis_ [~suckyours@p5B28DE94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:24 <Aali> AgentLeMan: assuming there's pax to move (i didn't check) that would just make things easier 23:58:40 *** nicfer [~usuario@168.226.104.8] has left #openttd [] 23:58:43 <SmatZ> rich players don't bankrupt 23:58:48 <AgentLeMan> Aali, what is pax? 23:59:15 <Aali> passengers 23:59:24 <AgentLeMan> oh, no, theres not even 1 city 23:59:36 <AgentLeMan> uhm, wrong, there is 1 23:59:44 <AgentLeMan> 203 people 23:59:46 <glx> 1 is required 23:59:58 <AgentLeMan> 29 max pax