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00:00:33 <benjamingoodger> my accounting teacher is a yorkshireman 00:00:42 <benjamingoodger> I'd happily vote for him in a general election 00:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i just found an interesting paragraph in the copyright: "copyright holders may not forbid making safety copies of programs, when that is necessary to ensure future use of the program" 00:02:06 <Sacro> same as allowing reverse engineering in the event of the software being unavailable/outdated 00:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> german copyright allows decompilation to ensure interoperability 00:03:33 <benjamingoodger> germans are allowed to reverse-engineer windows 2000? 00:03:39 <benjamingoodger> good GOD 00:04:35 <benjamingoodger> right, I'm going to bed 00:04:38 <benjamingoodger> good night to ye 00:05:05 *** benjamingoodger is now known as goodger-away 00:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> means you can decompile windows programs in order to ensure them running under linux/wine/etc. 00:07:23 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:33 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 00:07:53 *** rubyruy [~ruy@76-10-185-242.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 00:08:14 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and the paragraphs about breaking copy protection do not cover computer programs 00:10:04 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:11:03 <goodger-away> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20081124.gif 00:12:34 <FauxFaux> <3 00:15:38 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> scorpio.oftc.net quits: wgrant 00:16:52 *** Netsplit over, joins: wgrant 00:28:47 <appe> hm 00:28:50 <appe> i have a new map 00:29:07 <appe> a pile of transfer trains shipping coal to station 1 00:29:25 <appe> train 1,2,3 (long ones) takes it to station 2, the power plant. 00:29:30 <appe> but for some reason it doesnt leave it all 00:29:35 <appe> 100 tonnes stay on the train. 00:29:43 <appe> got reason? (or hand cheeseburger) 00:30:19 <appe> never mind. 00:30:26 *** rubyruy [~ruy@24.84.32.194] has joined #openttd 00:30:30 <appe> station 2 had a coal mine next to it. 00:30:31 <appe> :E 00:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i was about to suggest that :p 00:30:51 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: A bird in your hand is better than 10 in the woods <-- who the fuck thought that'd be a good saying??] 00:31:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:40 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77055.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:01 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:59 *** rubyruy [~ruy@24.84.32.194] has quit [Quit: Zzzz...] 00:55:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 01:06:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230133033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:15:32 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest645 01:15:34 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 01:18:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet532.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21:08 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21:13 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:22:55 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d18a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 01:30:17 *** Cookiej [Cookiej@cable-82-162.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 01:33:02 <Cookiej> Do i have to pay for mIRC? 01:33:40 <SmatZ> you should 01:33:48 <SmatZ> I think it is 30-days testing perion 01:33:55 <SmatZ> they you should pay or stop using it 01:34:06 <SmatZ> but hey, this isn't mirc support channel :-P 01:37:10 <glx> you are not forced to pay 01:38:36 <SmatZ> "Thank you for trying out mIRC. mIRC can be downloaded freely and evaluated for up to 30 days. If after evaluating mIRC you find that you like it and wish to continue using it, you will need to register your copy. " 01:38:40 <SmatZ> from mIRC website 01:39:24 <glx> just click on "OK" and it works 01:39:35 <glx> btw I don't use mIRC 01:39:43 <SmatZ> so does winrar and total commander :) 01:43:01 <Cookiej> aha 01:43:03 <Cookiej> ok 01:54:42 <Tefad> you know what doesn't bug you to register ever? most open source apps. 01:55:25 <Tefad> and if they do bug you, you can likely find a version that doesn't! if not, you can edit the bugger out yourself. 01:59:21 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm242.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 02:00:14 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-34.41.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 02:00:41 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:00:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 02:30:18 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pedb8.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 02:31:35 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065011.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-90-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:06 <SmatZ> I can't live without sleep 02:52:10 <SmatZ> this week is killing me :-x 02:52:11 <SmatZ> nn 02:52:15 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:06 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229165202.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:38 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g229167042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:27:12 *** vraa [~vraa@h12.165.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 03:33:25 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:41:18 <AgentLeMan> anyone alive in this cemetary? 03:41:50 <thingwath> No. 03:42:20 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:42:38 <AgentLeMan> didnt really expected that. its IRC for gods sake. 100 people, 90 dead. 03:52:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:52:33 *** _Lakie_ is now known as Lakie 03:53:49 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 03:54:09 *** _Lakie_ [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has joined #openttd 04:12:36 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:15:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:50:54 *** davis_ [~suckyours@p5B28FDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:53:17 <petern> didn't really expect that. it's IRC for god's sake. 100 people, 90 dead. 04:53:25 <petern> apostrophes are not hard. 04:54:28 <AgentLeMan> grammar rules dont surpass politeness ;o) 04:55:42 <petern> yeah, it was the correct tense that tipped the balance. ;) 04:57:24 <AgentLeMan> oh... that you mean °sighs° 04:57:48 <AgentLeMan> ok, back to start 04:58:04 <AgentLeMan> did'nt really expected that. it's IRC for gods sake. 100 people, 90 dead. 04:58:08 <AgentLeMan> no error there. 04:58:21 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28DCE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:58:28 <AgentLeMan> "god's" would be an error. 04:58:42 <petern> three errors there ;) 04:59:08 <AgentLeMan> args... and "did'nt" is one 04:59:27 <AgentLeMan> still, "god's" is wrong. 04:59:30 <petern> "did'nt", "expected", and indeed "gods" 04:59:54 <AgentLeMan> it is "expect" ? 05:01:14 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|2 [MarwolTuk@p549ECA3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:31 <petern> yes 05:02:27 <AgentLeMan> i have not really expected that. this is IRC for gods sake. if 100 people lurk in a channel, 90 of them are AFK anyways. 05:02:29 <AgentLeMan> °grins° 05:03:21 <AgentLeMan> °waits for the cane° 05:05:10 <petern> "gods", "anyway" :p 05:07:56 *** MarwolTuk [MarwolTuk@p549ECD19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:08:39 <AgentLeMan> an 's is short for "is"? 05:08:56 <petern> not always 05:09:40 <petern> it is also for possession 05:10:10 <AgentLeMan> alright, last try 05:10:11 <petern> (except, of course, a possession belonging to an "it") 05:10:46 <AgentLeMan> i have not really expected that. for the sake of god, this is IRC. if 100 people lurk in a channel, 90 of them are AFK anyway. 05:11:05 <petern> see, easy! 05:11:29 <petern> gold star ;) 05:11:34 <AgentLeMan> ya, but, keep in mind, if i write like that always, im just looked at in a funny way. 05:11:35 <petern> lesson over 05:11:43 <petern> true 05:11:50 <AgentLeMan> as if that doesnt happen enough already. 05:11:50 <petern> it's easier to just use the apostrophes ;) 05:12:13 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:12:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:12:50 <AgentLeMan> huh? i beg your pardon? 05:13:14 <AgentLeMan> 06:11:30] <@petern> gold star ;) / you mean "you have earned a golden star for your effort." i guess 05:13:31 <thingwath> 04:40 < AgentLeMan> anyone alive in this cemetary? 05:13:45 <thingwath> and it is "cemetery" :o) 05:14:58 <AgentLeMan> thingwath. wrong ;oP 05:15:00 <AgentLeMan> "Cemetary was a Swedish gothic metal band founded by Mathias Lodmalm in 1989." 05:15:19 <thingwath> Was. 05:15:40 <AgentLeMan> see? 05:15:57 <AgentLeMan> there you got the context 05:16:10 <thingwath> :-) 05:16:55 <petern> we're all in a swedish goth-metal band! 05:17:01 <AgentLeMan> yikes! 05:17:16 <AgentLeMan> °sings° "we all live i na yellow submarine..." 05:18:04 <petern> yes 05:18:10 <petern> in a swedish goth-metal style, of course 05:18:15 <AgentLeMan> are we able to talk in a decnt manner about serious things? 05:18:44 <petern> i suppose it depends on what the subject matter is 05:18:55 <AgentLeMan> helping people ;o) 05:19:29 <AgentLeMan> first time i got here and asked a question, i got referred to dale's "how to ask questions" 05:20:40 <AgentLeMan> it seems weird to me, that one does get shooed away like that. as if... uhm... as if interaction has to be like feeding a sourcecode to a computer, to get an answer. 05:22:47 <AgentLeMan> of course, you, the regulars want to keep a community clean of "weirdos" and such people, but... i find it a bit not nice, to just send people away with sonething like that, instead of trying to interact, socialize with people who are interested to involve themselves into a community, resulting in making it bigger, helping out, etc. 05:24:14 <petern> well i have a question 05:24:43 <petern> doesn't pci support bus mastering and talking to memory directly? 05:25:24 <petern> what are the implications of that if the memory controller is built into the cpu? 05:26:57 <AgentLeMan> PCI isnt needed? 05:27:46 <AgentLeMan> errm, the memory controller is not needed. 05:27:58 <AgentLeMan> uhm.. CPU isn't? 05:28:01 <AgentLeMan> °is lost° 05:42:04 <petern> here's another question then 05:42:12 <petern> my feet are freezing, should i put socks on? 05:42:21 <thingwath> Yes. 05:43:20 <AgentLeMan> no. 05:44:26 <AgentLeMan> but that "no" can, im aware of that, lead to my point being made worthless. 05:44:56 <AgentLeMan> if you dont put socks on, your body will, in time, get used to cold and you wont feel it anymore so much. 05:45:55 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 05:50:53 <petern> well it didn't for the past hour and a half 05:51:30 * petern consumes his monthly supply of salt via a piece of toast with marmite on it 05:52:19 <AgentLeMan> "in time" ;o) not "instantly" 06:05:57 <De_Ghosty> pci can access memory directly? 06:07:16 <AgentLeMan> DMA. direct memory access 06:07:30 <De_Ghosty> oh looks like it does 06:08:15 <AgentLeMan> but thats a good point... how can a DMA-system ( direct ) access a RAM ( random )? 06:08:31 <De_Ghosty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access 06:08:37 <De_Ghosty> As an example, on a modern AMD Socket AM2-based PC, the southbridge will forward the transactions to the northbridge (which is integrated on the CPU die) using HyperTransport, which will in turn convert them to DDR2 operations and send them out on the DDR2 memory bus. As can be seen, there are quite a number of steps involved in a PCI DMA transfer; however, that poses little problem, since the PCI device or PCI bus itself are an order of magnit 06:08:40 <De_Ghosty> might be right 06:10:01 <AgentLeMan> De_Ghosty, petern, wasnt though referring to pc-hardware ;o) ( at least, i dont think so ) 06:11:14 <De_Ghosty> that is exactly what it is 06:11:27 <De_Ghosty> [00:24:46] <@petern> doesn't pci support bus mastering and talking to memory directly? 06:11:27 <De_Ghosty> [00:25:26] <@petern> what are the implications of that if the memory controller is built into the cpu? 06:11:46 <AgentLeMan> you could see it that way, yes. 06:11:53 <De_Ghosty> it work the same way 06:11:58 <AgentLeMan> but if you link that to our former context.... 06:15:54 <De_Ghosty> oh 06:16:00 <De_Ghosty> he was just spilling his thoughts 06:16:15 <De_Ghosty> my reply seems appropritate 06:16:25 <AgentLeMan> great... and i thought since that, how it relates to our former topic °sighs° 06:16:34 <AgentLeMan> then yours was .yes. 06:23:36 <AgentLeMan> however... 06:24:02 <AgentLeMan> that means, i didnt get at all a reply to what i was writing, which is kinda sad. 06:26:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm242.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:30:36 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:40:34 <petern> De_Ghosty, thanks 06:59:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:06:38 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pedb8.p.pppool.de] has quit [] 07:37:52 *** Zorni [zorn@e177233004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:16 *** Zorn [zorn@e177227003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:03:18 *** DASPRiD|off is now known as DASPRiD 08:17:38 *** davis_ [~suckyours@p5B28FDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:37:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE7C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:42:05 *** _Lakie_ [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:09 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 08:44:09 *** _Lakie_ [~Lakie@80.247.163.109] has joined #openttd 08:46:12 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 08:47:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:58:21 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:09 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14624 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/malay.txt: -Add: stub for Malay. 09:07:29 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065085.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:11:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230133033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:11:21 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:29 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:18:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm242.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:20:27 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater49.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:11 <planetmaker> morning 09:38:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:01 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pedb8.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:55:16 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater49.hku.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 10:00:28 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179063047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:06:45 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 10:06:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 10:07:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g230133033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:51 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 10:12:56 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 10:46:27 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-82-152.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 10:47:28 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:33 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@192.87.217.56] has joined #openttd 11:01:58 *** silent [~pwr@82.78.117.52] has joined #openttd 11:04:13 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 11:08:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:16:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179063047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:42 * Celestar finds it funny that the BMW 335d is a "Green Car" in the USA (= 11:21:38 <ccfreak2k> Legal definitions have that effect. 11:21:59 <Gekz> McDonalds is patenting sandwich creation 11:22:00 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 11:22:18 <appe> wait what 11:22:22 <Celestar> however, basically all European Diesels will not meet most of the emmission targets of the USA 11:22:52 <AgentLeMan> they have targets in the u.s.? 11:22:59 <Celestar> AgentLeMan: very stringent ones actually 11:23:07 <Celestar> especially when it comes to Soot and NOx 11:23:26 <appe> http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2006068865&KC=&FT=E 11:25:58 <AgentLeMan> °snickers° why would i use a carsecuritycompany with the name "asstel"? 11:26:12 <AgentLeMan> uhm.. carinsurance i meant. 11:28:09 <ccfreak2k> Better than Premiums-R-Us I guess. 11:31:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229222195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:31:17 <AgentLeMan> with asstell you get a sticker for your car which says "asstel : we cover your back" plus a phonenumber under it 11:40:47 <Jango> Celestar, what is the target? 11:40:56 <Jango> measured in CO2 emissions? 11:41:25 <Celestar> Jango: it highly depends on the state, I don't have the CO2 data here. 11:42:04 <petern> so many strigent emission targets, and yet they all (heh) drive gas guzzling suvs... 11:42:18 <Jango> in the uk, it seems "acceptable" to have CO2 under 150 or so 11:42:27 <Celestar> CO2 is not the only kind of emmision we have 11:42:37 <Jango> i don't think we do anything else :D 11:42:46 <Jango> we're not very scientific 11:42:50 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:00 <Celestar> 150 g/km is rather low in real driving conditions 11:43:08 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:43:29 <petern> is that the us limit? 11:43:35 <Jango> yeah, the optimum on my 2.0L diesel is 143 g/km 11:43:53 <Celestar> Jango: is that what's in the papers, or is that what you actually do? 11:43:59 <Jango> papers 11:44:03 <Celestar> heh.. 11:44:18 <Jango> but, that's good enough for me ;) keeps me paying less in tax 11:44:21 <Celestar> I'm somewhat below 140g/km in the papers. 11:44:27 <Celestar> but not in real conditions. 11:44:33 <Celestar> around 160g/km there 11:44:45 <petern> hmm, dunno what mine is, i run on lpg 11:44:55 <Jango> in the uk, tax is based on CO2 11:45:05 <Jango> petern, is it easy to get fuel 11:45:06 <Jango> > 11:45:07 <Jango> ? 11:45:09 <Celestar> I want/need a car that has a range of at least 800km 11:45:11 <petern> fairly 11:45:15 <AgentLeMan> <<< 2g/km ( no car ) 11:45:31 <Celestar> AgentLeMan: how do you get around? 11:45:36 <Jango> Celestar, do you like Top Gear? 11:45:45 <AgentLeMan> Celestar, by foot 11:45:45 <Celestar> Top Gear? 11:45:54 <Jango> UK motoring TV programme 11:46:03 <Jango> on Sunday they did "long range" cars 11:46:09 <Celestar> most of my distances are not walkable 11:46:13 <Jango> Basle -> Blackpool on one tank 11:46:28 <Celestar> how far is that? 11:46:32 <Jango> i think that's ~700 miles 11:46:36 <petern> 750-800 miles i think it was 11:46:40 <Jango> depending on route 11:46:47 <petern> over mountains 11:46:52 <petern> stuck in queues 11:47:00 <Jango> the Jaguar was the best out of the 3 11:47:08 <petern> mainly cos it had a massive tank 11:47:08 <Celestar> hm .. 11:47:19 <Jango> indeed 11:47:19 <Celestar> I can do around 700 miles on our 530d 11:47:25 <Celestar> if i stretch it 11:47:30 <Jango> my top is 500 miles 11:48:00 <Celestar> my A180CDI with careful driving does close to 600 11:48:07 <Celestar> 500 in normal driving/conditions 11:48:29 <petern> what was it? a jaguar xj6 tdi? 11:48:36 <Jango> can't remember the exact model 11:48:56 <Celestar> a 777LR has a range of close to 18000km :P 11:48:59 <Jango> same engine that they went tearing round the nurburbring in though 11:49:06 <Jango> lol ;) 11:49:11 <Jango> try one of them on the autobahn 11:49:19 <Celestar> try building a car with a range of 18000km 11:50:27 <petern> easy 11:50:32 <AgentLeMan> Celestar, easy : cut off the wings of a 777lr 11:50:42 <petern> it would be quite big 11:50:42 <Rubidium> http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2157/1651864834_3ff4ecbbf0.jpg <- that one has a range of 18000km 11:50:44 <Celestar> AgentLeMan: the wings are the fuel tank :P 11:50:46 <Rubidium> (and more) 11:50:47 <petern> for the massive tank 11:50:57 <AgentLeMan> Celestar, ARGS, ok, you won °laughs° 11:50:59 <Celestar> petern: it would be a tanker 11:51:03 <Celestar> lol 11:51:17 <Celestar> and even with a 30.000 liter tanker, I'm not sure. 11:51:31 <Celestar> they need around 40 liters / 100km 11:51:35 <Celestar> so for 18000 km .. 11:51:46 <Celestar> ok .. works (= 11:52:04 <Jango> 777 is faster 11:52:12 <Celestar> slighly 11:52:17 <Celestar> and slightly more comfortable 11:52:20 <petern> might be a bit expensive to fill up 11:52:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:12 <Celestar> we finally need to get rid of those stupid ICEs for cars 11:53:24 <petern> boomboomboom? 11:53:32 <Jango> at least you have ICEs 11:53:37 <FauxFaux> The real threat? A FLOATING BOMB. 11:54:05 <Gekz> lol 11:54:18 <AgentLeMan> Celestar, question is.. who cares? 11:54:33 <AgentLeMan> adn who would or could pay for that? 11:54:48 <Celestar> for what? 11:55:33 <AgentLeMan> ICE-replacement. you were just talking about that 11:55:39 <Celestar> yes. electric engines 11:55:57 <Brianetta> HST 11:56:00 <Brianetta> Go on 11:56:02 <Jango> lol 11:56:03 <Brianetta> You knbow you want them 11:56:05 <Jango> bring on the HST 11:56:11 <Jango> APT even 11:56:20 <Celestar> I'm talking about internal combustion engines :S 11:56:23 <Brianetta> no, there's not enough around 11:56:37 <Jango> ah 11:56:39 <Jango> hmm 11:56:39 <Brianetta> DB needs to acquire all the HST stock in the UK 11:56:50 <Jango> DB? 11:56:57 <Brianetta> and perhaps some of the Pacers 11:57:07 <Jango> Deutsche Bahn? 11:57:08 <AgentLeMan> yes, she wrote DB. 11:57:25 * Brianetta looks around 11:57:26 <Celestar> who is "she" ? 11:57:49 <AgentLeMan> oh please, you dont want to tell me, that... °sighs° 11:58:12 <AgentLeMan> °winks° next thing is, jango wears makeup 11:58:17 <Brianetta> AgentLeWoman 11:58:39 <Jango> maybe in private 11:58:52 <AgentLeMan> it refers more to Mankind, then to Male 11:59:18 <Brianetta> Welcome to the most ambiguous language in Europe. 11:59:35 <AgentLeMan> yip, you can talk it under aswell as on land 11:59:51 <AgentLeMan> uhm 11:59:59 <AgentLeMan> yip, you can talk it under water aswell as on land 12:02:46 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-117.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:03:56 <Jango> do we still have any slam doors? 12:11:59 <Doorslammer> Mk1s? :P 12:20:19 <Gekz> AgentLeMan: why is the degrees symbol on AZERTY keyboards? 12:20:26 <Gekz> where is it actually used in French orthography 12:24:22 <AgentLeMan> why? it°s simply to confuse you. 12:29:07 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-18.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:05 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-117.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 12:43:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:21 <appe> new watch! http://www.tokyoflash.com/pages/000176/images/pic2.jpg 12:52:05 <AgentLeMan> a .. .watch? 12:54:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 12:57:38 <Brianetta> A niceone 13:01:34 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 13:06:26 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:55 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 13:17:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 13:21:35 <Ammler> does someone know "EEP 5.0" ? 13:21:51 <AgentLeMan> railwaysimmulator, i think it was 13:23:01 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:02 <AgentLeMan> wasnt it the one, that got sold in a shiny metalbox? 13:26:03 * Celestar bites into the phone 13:27:01 <AgentLeMan> °note to self "next time dont gift Celestar with phones that look like banananas" ° 13:28:20 <petern> ring ring ring ring? 13:28:51 <Celestar> no 13:28:57 <Celestar> colleague trying to install XP on his workstation 13:29:01 <Celestar> Why is this such a PITA 13:29:01 <AgentLeMan> °laughs, imagining Celestar's belly getting a massage° 13:29:25 <Celestar> with opensuse, you put in the Boot CD and after about 30 minutes everything is there. 13:30:14 <Celestar> stupid XP doesn't find a hard disk 13:31:02 <Ammler> windos xp without driver cd needs around half a day. 13:31:27 <Celestar> only if it finds a HDD. 13:31:36 <Ammler> and you need things like USB sticks etc. 13:31:39 <Celestar> I don't know why it doesn't find one. and I don't care. 13:31:50 <Celestar> it's commercial software. He can call MS installation support. 13:32:19 <Ammler> well, you could also use the cd which was shipped with. 13:32:35 <Celestar> missing identifier after 'with' 13:32:46 <Ammler> then it needs only double the time of suse :-) 13:33:24 <Celestar> we don't get our PCs shipped with OSes. 13:33:27 <Ammler> if you buy a pc, you ususally have a recovery cd/dvd 13:33:51 <Celestar> we don't buy PCs with that crap 13:33:57 <Ammler> oh well, then it is a pain. 13:34:02 <Celestar> it's the most stupid thing there is. 13:34:34 <Ammler> hardware support of windows is like 0 compared to suse (native) 13:34:34 <Celestar> it takes me HOURS to rid computers of all the software that is installed with the recovery shit 13:34:56 <Celestar> plus I dunno how it works when you modify the hardware of the computer 13:35:38 <Ammler> I have also no idea, I just know, dell has a good driver db for windows and nice support team. 13:35:53 <Celestar> the recovery CD of my IBM PC makes a windows installation of FOUR gigabytes. 13:36:02 <Celestar> FOUR gigabytes for an unsuable PCs. 13:36:04 <Qball> :D 13:36:17 <Celestar> you can't even read e-mails after that installation 13:36:19 <Ammler> :-) 13:36:26 <Ammler> GMail 13:36:33 <Celestar> EMAIL 13:36:36 <Celestar> not web pages 13:36:39 <Ammler> ah :P 13:36:46 <AgentLeMan> °snickers° 13:36:48 <Celestar> e-mail means IMAPS. 13:37:29 <Celestar> oh. 13:37:30 <petern> heh 13:37:34 <petern> 13:33 <@Celestar> we don't get our PCs shipped with OSes. 13:37:34 <Celestar> you can't even look at PDFs 13:37:36 <petern> 13:33 <@Celestar> we don't buy PCs with that crap 13:37:38 <petern> 13:35 <@Celestar> the recovery CD of my IBM PC makes a windows installation of FOUR gigabytes. 13:37:47 <petern> so do you or don't you? :p 13:37:48 <Celestar> petern: "our" == office PCs 13:37:58 <Celestar> petern: "my laptop" != office PC 13:38:01 <petern> ah 13:38:09 <Celestar> and it's a PITA to get a laptop with a proper OS installed. 13:38:22 <Ammler> office pc runs with windows? 13:38:26 <AgentLeMan> this isnt possible.... Celestar, do you have a direct, neuronal link to your pc? 13:38:33 <Celestar> Ammler: most are dual-boot. 13:38:47 <Ammler> do you need it for gaming? 13:38:54 <Celestar> nah. 13:39:04 <Ammler> another reason for windows? 13:39:07 <Celestar> yes. 13:39:11 <Celestar> CATIA V5 13:39:20 <Celestar> IBM still didn't manage to release a linux version 13:39:27 <AgentLeMan> °shrugs° nevermind... 13:39:31 <Celestar> although the native OS it runs on is AIX. 13:39:56 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:39:57 <petern> i need windows so that i can connect to ssl-encrypted remote desktop :p 13:40:18 <SpComb> CATIA V5 runs on Microsoft Windows (both 32-bit and 64-bit), and as of Release 18 Service Pack 4 on Windows Vista 64[6]. IBM AIX, Hewlett Packard HP-UX and Sun Microsystems Solaris are supported. 13:40:27 <SpComb> solaris! 13:40:27 <Celestar> SpComb: exactly. 13:40:34 <petern> HP-UX! 13:40:36 <petern> AIX! 13:40:36 <Celestar> but no linux support. 13:40:40 <petern> lame 13:40:45 <planetmaker> True64! 13:40:51 <Celestar> it's apparently too difficult to port something that works on AIX, HPUX and Solaris to linux :P 13:40:56 <Qball> lame? does that run on AIX 13:41:12 <planetmaker> ... or IRIX :P 13:41:34 <AgentLeMan> are there any... normal people around? 13:41:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 13:41:39 <Celestar> they FINALLY made it to work on vista .. lol 13:41:40 * Qball looks around 13:41:41 <Qball> no 13:41:43 <Celestar> it took them years :P 13:41:52 <Celestar> but porting to linux is difficult 13:41:58 * Celestar holds his belly, laughing 13:42:33 <AgentLeMan> °thinks, it must be the bananaphone ringing° 13:45:30 <petern> well, linux is all open source, they can't possibly use that! 13:47:41 <Celestar> petern: apparently 13:47:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.134] has joined #openttd 13:47:58 <Celestar> petern: I'm quite sure it works on OpenSolaris :P 13:48:10 <petern> nobody uses that ;) 14:00:04 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pedb8.p.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:08:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet638.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:16:06 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:46 <Belugas> Hellooo 14:19:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.204.41] has joined #openttd 14:32:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.196.134] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:31 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.204.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:39 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:42:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.250] has joined #openttd 15:00:29 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:09:52 *** taytay [~tcohen@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:22 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485CB38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:49 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:41:27 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:41:33 <Belugas> [08:41] <AgentLeMan> are there any... normal people around? 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Am I right? 17:58:42 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:58:48 <Patrick> hah 17:59:09 <glx> not our fault 17:59:39 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 17:59:47 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:01:03 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:01:06 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has left #openttd [] 18:01:57 <Belugas> our silence is too loud for CIA-x 18:02:11 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:59 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:03:04 <Prof_Frink> OK, what project just went through a major refactoring? 18:03:08 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:03:18 <ccfreak2k> Obviously not the CIA project. 18:03:27 <ccfreak2k> Especially the part where it has flood control. 18:05:29 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:05:40 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:07:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:08:48 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:08:53 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has left #openttd [] 18:12:53 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:13:04 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:13:22 <goodger-away> hello gentlemen 18:13:39 *** goodger-away is now known as benjamingoodger 18:16:57 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:17:04 <Belugas> hello ben 18:17:05 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:18:13 <Belugas> ho? 18:18:24 <Belugas> not seen ln around 18:18:52 <Belugas> 6 days ago 18:20:53 <benjamingoodger> eh? 18:21:31 <petern> the regular, known as ln, is not around. 18:22:02 <benjamingoodger> quite 18:22:02 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:22:14 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:22:36 <benjamingoodger> would anyone care to explain, very briefly, why these two keep entering and quitting? I understand already that they are bots designed to monitor commits 18:23:00 <SpComb> they're being buggy 18:23:12 <Belugas> lucky for us :) with his latest infatuation of politeness, he would keep on saluting CIA-x :D 18:24:04 <benjamingoodger> yes, he would 18:24:33 <benjamingoodger> it would probably cause his brain to swell and crack his skull, macbook-battery-style 18:25:29 <Belugas> CIA-x are bots from an organisation that watches our commits and relay them in our channel. 18:25:30 <petern> hmm, anyone use code::blocks? 18:25:59 <Belugas> the fact that they keep on trying to join and fail is probably something on their side 18:26:04 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 18:26:06 <benjamingoodger> righto 18:26:10 <Belugas> i would not, Rubidium 18:26:20 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:45 <benjamingoodger> I tried it briefly a few years ago... couldn't see anything wrong with it, but then again, I hadn't yet been exposed to cygwin or indeed gnu/linux 18:37:41 *** _Lakie_ is now known as Lakie` 18:38:36 <Belugas> Lakie has just put his hat on 18:38:43 <Lakie`> Well. 18:39:20 <Lakie`> I think th bouncer goofed or something? Lol 18:40:06 <Belugas> :D 18:40:29 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:39 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:40:50 <Lakie`> I shall poke orudge about it 18:41:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd437.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:58 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:08 <petern> pah, bouncers 18:45:11 <petern> how 1990s 18:46:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:47:37 <Wolf01> hello 18:48:39 *** Lakie is now known as Guest775 18:48:39 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 18:51:18 <benjamingoodger> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/78f1579a-bb13-11dd-bc6c-0000779fd18c.html 18:51:22 <George_> Is there anybody here who can compile GRFCodec r2055 for me for WinXP? 18:51:52 <Ammler> George_: I can't but if you like, I can try your nfo here... 18:54:01 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 18:54:20 <glx> George_: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/grfcodec.zip 18:54:23 <glx> should work 18:55:16 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:52 <George_> glx: Thank you! 18:56:48 <George_> and why is it so big? 18:57:01 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:21 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 18:57:40 <glx> not stripped nor upxed 18:58:33 <glx> updated zip 19:04:56 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-83-225.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 19:09:03 *** Cookiej [Cookiej@cable-82-162.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [] 19:15:13 <George_> thank you. but the problem remains 19:15:15 <George_> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2055E - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler 19:15:16 <George_> Encoding in temporary file ECSBasicw.new 19:15:18 <George_> Error: Encountered invalid character looking for literal byte. 19:15:19 <George_> While reading sprite:2780 19:15:21 <George_> Any ideas? 19:17:19 <George_> glx: problem with updated zip. Setup.exe generates error VB40032.dll not found 19:20:21 <frosch123> George_: paste the sprite and the previous and following 5 lines to paste.openttd.org 19:23:01 <George_> frosch123: http://paste.openttd.org/177087 19:26:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14628 /trunk/projects/generate: -Fix: projects/generate doesn't handle tabs in sources.list properly when determining whether a header is missing. 19:26:44 <frosch123> works for me, using "NFORenum v3.4.6 r1916" and "GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r1655E", resp. it only complains about missing file 19:27:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14629 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 19:27:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: strgen/strgen.h missing from MSVC project files 19:27:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: welsh missing from MSVC project files 19:29:05 <frosch123> same for "GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2055" 19:29:55 *** bottiger [~arvid@psi0.nbi.dk] has left #openttd [] 19:30:02 <George_> http://george.zernebok.net/temp/wav-problem/ 19:32:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14630 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: support Allegro as video backend. 19:36:44 <frosch123> George_: your "/" is weird, deleting it and rewriting makes it work :s 19:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p 19:38:33 <frosch123> hmm, no its not the "/" 19:38:35 <Belugas> Laughing My Ass Off ??? 19:38:45 <frosch123> when I modify the line, it works 19:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the usual interpretation of that abbreviation, yes 19:39:02 <frosch123> so maybe grfcodec expects linux line breaks there? 19:41:12 <frosch123> yup, with "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" I can convert the .nfo between failing and succeeding 19:42:49 <frosch123> also a tabulator at the end of the line makes it fail :s 19:46:28 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-83-225.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> time to beat up DaleStan, i suppose :p 19:47:30 <benjamingoodger> bugger, I think I bollocksed my firefox 19:47:53 <frosch123> George_: sorry, seems like grfcodec does not like windows. http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/ECSBasicw.grf 19:48:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:48:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:54 <George_> frosch123: which line? 19:51:55 <petern> allegro backend, heh 19:56:08 <frosch123> George_: http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/ECSBasicw.nfo <- try to directly safe it on disk, and do not save it with an editor 19:59:05 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28FDBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:01:13 <frosch123> when it works you might use stuff like http://www.dos2unix.org/ until someone fixes grfcodec 20:08:31 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10:17 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:11:12 <George_> frosch123: Yes, your NFO works well 20:13:41 * benjamingoodger has repaired his firefox 20:13:47 <benjamingoodger> all is good and joyful again! 20:15:02 <benjamingoodger> hmm 20:15:10 <benjamingoodger> is it a good thing that I have invented a new type of bomb? 20:15:53 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 20:16:07 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:19:28 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has quit [] 20:19:43 *** George_ [~chatzilla@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:22:48 <George_> Please, help! I've updated ChatZilla (my IRC client) and now it displays === #openttd.notice You may not change nickname while banned or moderated on a channel (+b/+q/+m) === message 3 times per minute! 20:23:05 <George_> Is there a way to stop it? 20:25:30 <Belugas> yup. 20:25:43 <Belugas> that's becasue ypu are in #openttd.notice 20:25:50 <Belugas> get out of that channel, 20:25:56 <George_> How can I fix it? 20:25:58 <Belugas> change the nick 20:26:02 <Belugas> and rejoin 20:26:12 <Belugas> (works for me... dunno of any other mathod) 20:26:37 <benjamingoodger> *everyone flocks to #openttd.notice to see what it's for* 20:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> we know what it's for... 20:26:58 * tokai didn't 20:27:03 * benjamingoodger didn't either 20:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it's for DorpsGek to tell about commits and fs entries 20:27:19 <benjamingoodger> ah 20:27:39 <Patrick> dorp dorp dorp 20:27:41 <Belugas> we all know it is for the newest version of Openttd. Notice is the code name of the progject, containing among others, the new map array 20:27:48 <Patrick> I thought commits were dumped into here 20:27:53 <Patrick> but it has been quiet 20:29:03 <George_> Belugas: Thank you, it helped 20:29:25 <Belugas> you're welcome, George_ :) 20:30:31 <George_> Now I'd like to see Dale to ask to fix GRF codec to work on Win :) 20:30:44 *** MarwolTuk|Lappy|2 is now known as MarwolTuk 20:32:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet638.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:35:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:07 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g229222195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:39:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229222195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:08 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:42:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229222195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:43:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FE7C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:47:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.69] has joined #openttd 20:47:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.69] has quit [] 20:48:21 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.69] has joined #openttd 20:50:28 <glx> [20:17:29] <George_> glx: problem with updated zip. Setup.exe generates error VB40032.dll not found <-- there's not setup.exe in the zip 20:50:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.69] has quit [] 20:51:13 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 20:51:18 <George_> please repost the link (Confused) 20:51:34 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/grfcodec.zip 20:51:41 <benjamingoodger> btw, if there were a setup.exe, you could fix it by installing VB40032.dll, which is found on all DLL download sites as it's very common 20:52:13 <glx> VB4 is quite old 20:53:18 <benjamingoodger> I think that's a bit of an understatement 20:53:50 <benjamingoodger> it is 13 years old 20:53:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.173.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that means ist is "seasoned" ;) 20:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> if software were like wines... 20:58:46 <Belugas> would we have ice-software?? 21:00:13 <George_> glx: Sorry 21:00:14 * frosch123 remembers some old function for CGA cards to disable "snow" :s 21:00:41 * Belugas wants it! 21:00:41 * Belugas wants it! 21:00:42 * Belugas wants it! 21:00:46 <glx> lol 21:01:03 <Eddi|zuHause> we have nice snow out here ;) 21:01:11 <benjamingoodger> damn you and your snow 21:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> but they said it's getting warmer 21:01:38 <Belugas> we do have snow too. would not call it nice 21:01:49 <Belugas> felt during the night 21:01:53 <Belugas> yursh 21:01:54 <glx> hehe 21:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the difference is that you have snow during more than 3 days per year :p 21:02:02 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:32 <Belugas> sadly enough, you are rigth 21:05:32 <benjamingoodger> I'd kill to have snow this year 21:05:55 <mrfrenzy> you can come here and take all the snow you want 21:06:01 <mrfrenzy> you don't even have to kill anyone 21:06:13 <benjamingoodger> I suspect my car won't be able to fit enough in 21:07:09 <benjamingoodger> and I can't afford a trip to sweden :( 21:07:34 <mrfrenzy> piggyback on santas reindeers 21:07:51 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 21:08:08 <Belugas> they made it mandatory to have winter tires this year. For the first time. You shold see the lineups at the garages 21:08:28 <benjamingoodger> heh 21:08:29 <mrfrenzy> in oregon? 21:08:36 <mrfrenzy> do you even have winter 21:08:46 <Belugas> do I look like an american ?? 21:08:59 <benjamingoodger> in quebec, if I recall correctly 21:08:59 <Belugas> no offense meant, Dalestan 21:09:09 <Belugas> yup 21:09:09 <benjamingoodger> heh 21:09:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14631 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Add: support for Allegro as sound backend. 21:09:19 <mrfrenzy> you're using an oregon server ;) 21:09:30 <benjamingoodger> quebec is on the same latitude as great britain, and hence is really _really_ cold 21:09:36 <mrfrenzy> haha 21:09:38 <Belugas> remember? Never trust what's been saidf on the Internet 21:09:39 <mrfrenzy> more like rainy 21:10:41 <benjamingoodger> well, great britain is on the same latitude as sweden too 21:10:50 <benjamingoodger> doesn't make sense that we're comparatively warm 21:10:59 <benjamingoodger> sodding ocean currents 21:11:09 <George_> Sometimes I feel very stupid. Like now. The sound problem was my fault, sorry. 21:11:37 <frosch123> does it work with the new grfcodec? 21:15:41 <George_> yes. And it works even in dos mode :( 21:16:50 <George_> My fault was in my comments generator (error in code) 21:19:04 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:19:16 *** dfox_ [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:19:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81FDF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82DB3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:21:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:23:14 <planetmaker> question to the devs: there's defined UINT16_MAX, UINT32_MAX,... but no UINT8_MAX. Any reason? 21:24:05 <planetmaker> 255 is easy enough to remember, I know though :P 21:24:14 <frosch123> 0xFF is even easier 21:24:27 <petern> 0xFFFFFFFF's not hard ;) 21:24:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:25:03 <planetmaker> yeah. But you go lengths to define the other UINT##_MAX... 21:25:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:25:35 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:26:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd437.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-37-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:34:08 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]] 21:38:27 <glx> we probably never needed UINT8_MAX 21:44:04 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:05 * Belugas wonders if we do use hardcoded 0xFF or something alike 21:45:18 <petern> all over the place 21:50:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:08 <planetmaker> glx: I just wanted to use one... and got a compile error :) 21:50:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:51:09 <Ammler> what else then 0xFF can UNIT8_MAX be? 21:51:27 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:28 <glx> (uint8)-1 21:51:31 <Ammler> could 21:51:43 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:53:18 * Ammler is just wondering why do you use constants for those? 21:53:42 <planetmaker> readability, Ammler :) 21:56:11 <Belugas> UNIT8_MAX ? 21:56:14 <Belugas> silly name 21:57:09 <planetmaker> Belugas: all else is explicitly definied in stdafx.h 21:57:26 <planetmaker> (or provided by default by the compilers / default headers) 21:57:36 <Belugas> well.. instead of UNIT, at least, i would have called it UINT 21:57:38 <Belugas> prrrrrrrrt 21:57:40 <planetmaker> at least that's how I understand it. 21:57:50 <planetmaker> :P 21:57:55 <planetmaker> 1:0 for you ;) 22:01:11 * Belugas keeps the 1 in reserve for when he will really need it 22:01:21 <Belugas> a bit is always usefull 22:01:30 * Belugas wants to smoke it 22:02:02 <planetmaker> pah... :) it's worth much more than being smoked! ;) 22:08:28 *** nfc [nfc@dsl-hkibrasgw2-fe20de00-185.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:07 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:11 *** Guest645 is now known as SmatZ 22:20:01 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has left #openttd [] 22:20:35 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:32 *** rortom [~rortom_@5aca9752.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:22 <appe> moistured nipple 22:29:23 <appe> oh 22:29:24 <appe> i mean 22:29:25 <appe> hi! 22:29:56 <benjamingoodger> 0.ò 22:30:23 <Sacro> the keys are so close together... 22:30:57 <benjamingoodger> yeah... 22:31:03 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:08 <Tefad> what what? 22:31:26 <benjamingoodger> like when I accidentally type "you're a bloody moron" instead of "good afternoon" 22:31:29 <benjamingoodger> such an easy mistake 22:32:31 <Tefad> no one got it. n/m 22:32:51 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:57 <SmatZ> I just know that joke 22:33:01 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:33:32 <SmatZ> http://bash.org/?5300 22:38:05 <Wolf01> 'night 22:38:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host121-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:50:33 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 22:57:20 * benjamingoodger has sent off his university application 22:57:23 <benjamingoodger> wish me luck... 22:57:43 <Sacro> benjamingoodger: which unis? 22:57:51 <benjamingoodger> university of kent 22:58:18 <Sacro> ewww southern 22:58:45 <SmatZ> will you need luck? 23:00:07 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/dos-attack.png ;) 23:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> now you're getting crazy :p 23:02:10 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 23:03:57 <benjamingoodger> what d'you mean, ewww southern? :P 23:04:17 <Tefad> holy crap openttd in dos? 23:04:19 <benjamingoodger> surely you don't think there are any good universities in the north, besides loughborough and leicester 23:04:34 <Tefad> you using that weird windows wrapper? 23:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause> technically, all you need is a 32bit extension and an sdl port... 23:06:27 <SmatZ> "cygdos" 23:06:31 <Eddi|zuHause> a dos port always ran under the category: "it's possible, but nobody bothered to do it yet" 23:06:32 <benjamingoodger> luck cannot hurt... 23:06:49 <benjamingoodger> my qualifications are inferior up to this point 23:06:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Enohp eht no S'enilorac, Regor... 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Egassem terces eht derevocsid tsuj evah uoy, sn] 23:06:53 <SmatZ> :) 23:06:55 <Eddi|zuHause> why the hell would you need an application for a university? 23:07:08 <benjamingoodger> actually, you don't apply to the university 23:07:22 <benjamingoodger> there's an extra layer of bureaucracy on top of that 23:08:06 <benjamingoodger> and I need to apply to the university in order to make them teach me stuff and give me a degree :P 23:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> some subjects have a "numerus clausus" in germany, where you need to apply, but not the ones that are cool... 23:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> most sciences and maths are "just show up on enrollment day, and you are in" 23:10:01 <benjamingoodger> ah 23:10:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the numerus clausus subjects are the ones that are totally overrun anyway, like medicine 23:10:30 <benjamingoodger> aha 23:10:44 <benjamingoodger> well, at least twenty british universities are "totally overrun" 23:10:59 <benjamingoodger> and the rest of the universities cannot be bothered to do anything different 23:11:04 <benjamingoodger> so they all use this stupid system 23:12:12 <benjamingoodger> I got charged £17 23:12:14 <benjamingoodger> it was most annoying 23:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> for applying? 23:12:30 <benjamingoodger> yes 23:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how stupid... 23:12:40 <benjamingoodger> and I will be charged £3500 per year for the course 23:12:51 <benjamingoodger> and a further £130 per week for accommodation 23:12:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean i only had to pay the semester fee before my enrollment 23:12:59 <benjamingoodger> and the textbooks will be about £300 23:13:02 <Eddi|zuHause> which was like 40⬠23:13:14 <benjamingoodger> really? 23:13:33 <benjamingoodger> good grief 23:13:45 <benjamingoodger> the government gives you a loan to cover all this, of course 23:14:02 <benjamingoodger> but they charge interest 23:14:10 <Eddi|zuHause> wtf? 23:14:23 <benjamingoodger> yeah 23:14:28 <benjamingoodger> student loans --- brilliant 23:14:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-25-11.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:00 <benjamingoodger> the average student debt is about £20,000 when leaving university 23:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause> here you get "BAFöG", which means like 350⬠- (portion of parents' income), half of it as a gift, and half of it as a interestless loan 23:15:34 <benjamingoodger> we don't have to start paying it off until we're earning £16,000 per year, but we still get charged interest 23:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and then you get additional cuts on the loan when you finish fast, or pay everything back at once 23:16:07 <benjamingoodger> finish what fast? 23:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> studying 23:16:20 <benjamingoodger> ooh 23:16:24 <benjamingoodger> interesting concept 23:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but i didn't get a lot of student support, in the beginning it was like 120⬠per month, but the next year, my sister finished her education, so the parents' income was divided by less siblings to support 23:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so it only warranted like 20⬠per month, which you can almost forget... 23:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> so maybe i owe them 1000⬠or something 23:18:47 <Sacro> benjamingoodger: heh, mine is alot already 23:18:50 * Sacro is on his 3rd year 23:19:04 <benjamingoodger> where? 23:19:04 <Sacro> so that's... 7.5k in course fees 23:19:07 <Sacro> Hull :D 23:19:11 <benjamingoodger> ah yes 23:19:18 <Sacro> one of the 3 greats 23:19:23 <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬ 23:19:33 <Sacro> oxford, cambridge, hull! :D 23:19:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but the iditots of politicians, in their endless greed, cut the law against studying fees 23:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> not realising that a student who finishes studying will pay back his studying costs in taxes multiple times during his work years... 23:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> so instead they are driving away poor people from studying 23:20:54 <Tefad> i refuse to get in education in a system where i have to borrow from my future 23:21:02 <Tefad> highly annoying. 23:21:09 <benjamingoodger> that's the spirit! 23:21:13 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I support your political view 23:21:26 <benjamingoodger> we have kind of a problem in the UK 23:21:29 <Tefad> and saving up for education isn't very great either 23:21:36 <benjamingoodger> _everyone_ can get a degree of some sort 23:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> well, here they only introduced fees for sudents who take more than 2 years longer than scheduled, but i don't expect that to stay that way 23:21:47 <Tefad> neat 23:21:49 <Qball> I get mails about it daily 23:22:16 <benjamingoodger> whether it's a degree in medicine, or a degree in aromatherapy, you can still get A Degree 23:22:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14632 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Add: support Allegro as midi backend. 23:22:23 <Tefad> i make enough money to pay rent, therefore the government won't subsidize my education. 23:22:24 <benjamingoodger> which devalues the entire system beyond belief 23:23:03 <Tefad> i'd have to be living below poverty for the government to give me grants 23:23:44 <benjamingoodger> irritating 23:23:53 <benjamingoodger> I'll just end up horrifically in debt 23:24:13 <benjamingoodger> and with a debatably useful degree 23:24:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14633 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix: compile failure when building a debug build without network support. 23:26:45 <benjamingoodger> and that's if the university offer me a place 23:27:06 <benjamingoodger> they may give me a conditional offer, which means I have to achieve certain grades in secondary education in order to get the place 23:27:29 <benjamingoodger> which means it's not possible to just apply and go, I have to apply about 10 months early 23:27:42 <Sacro> i turned up mid september 23:28:39 <benjamingoodger> lucky you... 23:28:51 <benjamingoodger> I imagine my course also will start in mid-september 23:28:58 <benjamingoodger> but I still have to apply now, or earlier 23:31:15 *** vraa [~vraa@h12.165.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:44 <appe> WHA 23:34:06 <benjamingoodger> WHO 23:34:10 <benjamingoodger> WHEN 23:34:15 <benjamingoodger> HOW 23:34:17 <benjamingoodger> :P