Log for #openttd on 25th November 2008:
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00:00:33  <benjamingoodger> my accounting teacher is a yorkshireman
00:00:42  <benjamingoodger> I'd happily vote for him in a general election
00:00:54  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i just found an interesting paragraph in the copyright: "copyright holders may not forbid making safety copies of programs, when that is necessary to ensure future use of the program"
00:02:06  <Sacro> same as allowing reverse engineering in the event of the software being unavailable/outdated
00:03:31  <Eddi|zuHause> german copyright allows decompilation to ensure interoperability
00:03:33  <benjamingoodger> germans are allowed to reverse-engineer windows 2000?
00:03:39  <benjamingoodger> good GOD
00:04:35  <benjamingoodger> right, I'm going to bed
00:04:38  <benjamingoodger> good night to ye
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00:06:06  <Eddi|zuHause> means you can decompile windows programs in order to ensure them running under linux/wine/etc.
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00:09:24  <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and the paragraphs about breaking copy protection do not cover computer programs
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00:11:03  <goodger-away>
00:12:34  <FauxFaux> <3
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00:28:47  <appe> hm
00:28:50  <appe> i have a new map
00:29:07  <appe> a pile of transfer trains shipping coal to station 1
00:29:25  <appe> train 1,2,3 (long ones) takes it to station 2, the power plant.
00:29:30  <appe> but for some reason it doesnt leave it all
00:29:35  <appe> 100 tonnes stay on the train.
00:29:43  <appe> got reason? (or hand cheeseburger)
00:30:19  <appe> never mind.
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00:30:30  <appe> station 2 had a coal mine next to it.
00:30:31  <appe> :E
00:30:48  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i was about to suggest that :p
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01:33:02  <Cookiej> Do i have to pay for mIRC?
01:33:40  <SmatZ> you should
01:33:48  <SmatZ> I think it is 30-days testing perion
01:33:55  <SmatZ> they you should pay or stop using it
01:34:06  <SmatZ> but hey, this isn't mirc support channel :-P
01:37:10  <glx> you are not forced to pay
01:38:36  <SmatZ> "Thank you for trying out mIRC. mIRC can be downloaded freely and evaluated for up to 30 days. If after evaluating mIRC you find that you like it and wish to continue using it, you will need to register your copy. "
01:38:40  <SmatZ> from mIRC website
01:39:24  <glx> just click on "OK" and it works
01:39:35  <glx> btw I don't use mIRC
01:39:43  <SmatZ> so does winrar and total commander :)
01:43:01  <Cookiej> aha
01:43:03  <Cookiej> ok
01:54:42  <Tefad> you know what doesn't bug you to register ever? most open source apps.
01:55:25  <Tefad> and if they do bug you, you can likely find a version that doesn't! if not, you can edit the bugger out yourself.
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02:52:06  <SmatZ> I can't live without sleep
02:52:10  <SmatZ> this week is killing me :-x
02:52:11  <SmatZ> nn
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03:41:18  <AgentLeMan> anyone alive in this cemetary?
03:41:50  <thingwath> No.
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03:42:38  <AgentLeMan> didnt really expected that. its IRC for gods sake. 100 people, 90 dead.
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04:53:17  <petern> didn't really expect that. it's IRC for god's sake. 100 people, 90 dead.
04:53:25  <petern> apostrophes are not hard.
04:54:28  <AgentLeMan> grammar rules dont surpass politeness ;o)
04:55:42  <petern> yeah, it was the correct tense that tipped the balance. ;)
04:57:24  <AgentLeMan> oh... that you mean °sighs°
04:57:48  <AgentLeMan> ok, back to start
04:58:04  <AgentLeMan> did'nt really expected that. it's IRC for gods sake. 100 people, 90 dead.
04:58:08  <AgentLeMan> no error there.
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04:58:28  <AgentLeMan> "god's" would be an error.
04:58:42  <petern> three errors there ;)
04:59:08  <AgentLeMan> args... and "did'nt" is one
04:59:27  <AgentLeMan> still, "god's" is wrong.
04:59:30  <petern> "did'nt", "expected", and indeed "gods"
04:59:54  <AgentLeMan> it is "expect" ?
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05:01:31  <petern> yes
05:02:27  <AgentLeMan> i have not really expected that. this is IRC for gods sake. if 100 people lurk in a channel, 90 of them are AFK anyways.
05:02:29  <AgentLeMan> °grins°
05:03:21  <AgentLeMan> °waits for the cane°
05:05:10  <petern> "gods", "anyway" :p
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05:08:39  <AgentLeMan> an 's is short for "is"?
05:08:56  <petern> not always
05:09:40  <petern> it is also for possession
05:10:10  <AgentLeMan> alright, last try
05:10:11  <petern> (except, of course, a possession belonging to an "it")
05:10:46  <AgentLeMan> i have not really expected that. for the sake of god, this is IRC. if 100 people lurk in a channel, 90 of them are AFK anyway.
05:11:05  <petern> see, easy!
05:11:29  <petern> gold star ;)
05:11:34  <AgentLeMan> ya, but, keep in mind, if i write like that always, im just looked at in a funny way.
05:11:35  <petern> lesson over
05:11:43  <petern> true
05:11:50  <AgentLeMan> as if that doesnt happen enough already.
05:11:50  <petern> it's easier to just use the apostrophes ;)
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05:12:50  <AgentLeMan> huh? i beg your pardon?
05:13:14  <AgentLeMan> 06:11:30] <@petern> gold star ;) / you mean "you have earned a golden star for your effort." i guess
05:13:31  <thingwath> 04:40 < AgentLeMan> anyone alive in this cemetary?
05:13:45  <thingwath> and it is "cemetery" :o)
05:14:58  <AgentLeMan> thingwath. wrong ;oP
05:15:00  <AgentLeMan> "Cemetary was a Swedish gothic metal band founded by Mathias Lodmalm in 1989."
05:15:19  <thingwath> Was.
05:15:40  <AgentLeMan> see?
05:15:57  <AgentLeMan> there you got the context
05:16:10  <thingwath> :-)
05:16:55  <petern> we're all in a swedish goth-metal band!
05:17:01  <AgentLeMan> yikes!
05:17:16  <AgentLeMan> °sings° "we all live i na yellow submarine..."
05:18:04  <petern> yes
05:18:10  <petern> in a swedish goth-metal style, of course
05:18:15  <AgentLeMan> are we able to talk in a decnt manner about serious things?
05:18:44  <petern> i suppose it depends on what the subject matter is
05:18:55  <AgentLeMan> helping people ;o)
05:19:29  <AgentLeMan> first time i got here and asked a question, i got referred to dale's "how to ask questions"
05:20:40  <AgentLeMan> it seems weird to me, that one does get shooed away like that. as if... uhm... as if interaction has to be like feeding a sourcecode to a computer, to get an answer.
05:22:47  <AgentLeMan> of course, you, the regulars want to keep a community clean of "weirdos" and such people, but... i find it a bit not nice, to just send people away with sonething like that, instead of trying to interact, socialize with people who are interested to involve themselves into a community, resulting in making it bigger, helping out, etc.
05:24:14  <petern> well i have a question
05:24:43  <petern> doesn't pci support bus mastering and talking to memory directly?
05:25:24  <petern> what are the implications of that if the memory controller is built into the cpu?
05:26:57  <AgentLeMan> PCI isnt needed?
05:27:46  <AgentLeMan> errm, the memory controller is not needed.
05:27:58  <AgentLeMan> uhm.. CPU isn't?
05:28:01  <AgentLeMan> °is lost°
05:42:04  <petern> here's another question then
05:42:12  <petern> my feet are freezing, should i put socks on?
05:42:21  <thingwath> Yes.
05:43:20  <AgentLeMan> no.
05:44:26  <AgentLeMan> but that "no" can, im aware of that, lead to my point being made worthless.
05:44:56  <AgentLeMan> if you dont put socks on, your body will, in time, get used to cold and you wont feel it anymore so much.
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05:50:53  <petern> well it didn't for the past hour and a half
05:51:30  * petern consumes his monthly supply of salt via a piece of toast with marmite on it
05:52:19  <AgentLeMan> "in time" ;o) not "instantly"
06:05:57  <De_Ghosty> pci can access memory directly?
06:07:16  <AgentLeMan> DMA. direct memory access
06:07:30  <De_Ghosty> oh looks like it does
06:08:15  <AgentLeMan> but thats a good point... how can a DMA-system ( direct ) access a RAM ( random )?
06:08:31  <De_Ghosty>
06:08:37  <De_Ghosty> As an example, on a modern AMD Socket AM2-based PC, the southbridge will forward the transactions to the northbridge (which is integrated on the CPU die) using HyperTransport, which will in turn convert them to DDR2 operations and send them out on the DDR2 memory bus. As can be seen, there are quite a number of steps involved in a PCI DMA transfer; however, that poses little problem, since the PCI device or PCI bus itself are an order of magnit
06:08:40  <De_Ghosty> might be right
06:10:01  <AgentLeMan> De_Ghosty, petern, wasnt though referring to pc-hardware ;o) ( at least, i dont think so )
06:11:14  <De_Ghosty> that is exactly what it is
06:11:27  <De_Ghosty> [00:24:46] <@petern> doesn't pci support bus mastering and talking to memory directly?
06:11:27  <De_Ghosty> [00:25:26] <@petern> what are the implications of that if the memory controller is built into the cpu?
06:11:46  <AgentLeMan> you could see it that way, yes.
06:11:53  <De_Ghosty> it work the same way
06:11:58  <AgentLeMan> but if you link that to our former context....
06:15:54  <De_Ghosty> oh
06:16:00  <De_Ghosty> he was just spilling his thoughts
06:16:15  <De_Ghosty> my reply seems appropritate
06:16:25  <AgentLeMan> great... and i thought since that, how it relates to our former topic °sighs°
06:16:34  <AgentLeMan> then yours was .yes.
06:23:36  <AgentLeMan> however...
06:24:02  <AgentLeMan> that means, i didnt get at all a reply to what i was writing, which is kinda sad.
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06:40:34  <petern> De_Ghosty, thanks
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09:06:09  <CIA-5> OpenTTD: translators * r14624 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/malay.txt: -Add: stub for Malay.
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09:24:11  <planetmaker> morning
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11:19:42  * Celestar finds it funny that the BMW 335d is a "Green Car" in the USA (=
11:21:38  <ccfreak2k> Legal definitions have that effect.
11:21:59  <Gekz> McDonalds is patenting sandwich creation
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11:22:18  <appe> wait what
11:22:22  <Celestar> however, basically all European Diesels will not meet most of the emmission targets of the USA
11:22:52  <AgentLeMan> they have targets in the u.s.?
11:22:59  <Celestar> AgentLeMan: very stringent ones actually
11:23:07  <Celestar> especially when it comes to Soot and NOx
11:23:26  <appe>
11:25:58  <AgentLeMan> °snickers° why would i use a carsecuritycompany with the name "asstel"?
11:26:12  <AgentLeMan> uhm.. carinsurance i meant.
11:28:09  <ccfreak2k> Better than Premiums-R-Us I guess.
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11:31:17  <AgentLeMan> with asstell you get a sticker for your car which says "asstel : we cover your back" plus a phonenumber under it
11:40:47  <Jango> Celestar, what is the target?
11:40:56  <Jango> measured in CO2 emissions?
11:41:25  <Celestar> Jango: it highly depends on the state, I don't have the CO2 data here.
11:42:04  <petern> so many strigent emission targets, and yet they all (heh) drive gas guzzling suvs...
11:42:18  <Jango> in the uk, it seems "acceptable" to have CO2 under 150 or so
11:42:27  <Celestar> CO2 is not the only kind of emmision we have
11:42:37  <Jango> i don't think we do anything else :D
11:42:46  <Jango> we're not very scientific
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11:43:00  <Celestar> 150 g/km is rather low in real driving conditions
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11:43:29  <petern> is that the us limit?
11:43:35  <Jango> yeah, the optimum on my 2.0L diesel is 143 g/km
11:43:53  <Celestar> Jango: is that what's in the papers, or is that what you actually do?
11:43:59  <Jango> papers
11:44:03  <Celestar> heh..
11:44:18  <Jango> but, that's good enough for me ;) keeps me paying less in tax
11:44:21  <Celestar> I'm somewhat below 140g/km in the papers.
11:44:27  <Celestar> but not in real conditions.
11:44:33  <Celestar> around 160g/km there
11:44:45  <petern> hmm, dunno what mine is, i run on lpg
11:44:55  <Jango> in the uk, tax is based on CO2
11:45:05  <Jango> petern, is it easy to get fuel
11:45:06  <Jango> >
11:45:07  <Jango> ?
11:45:09  <Celestar> I want/need a car that has a range of at least 800km
11:45:11  <petern> fairly
11:45:15  <AgentLeMan> <<< 2g/km ( no car )
11:45:31  <Celestar> AgentLeMan: how do you get around?
11:45:36  <Jango> Celestar, do you like Top Gear?
11:45:45  <AgentLeMan> Celestar, by foot
11:45:45  <Celestar> Top Gear?
11:45:54  <Jango> UK motoring TV programme
11:46:03  <Jango> on Sunday they did "long range" cars
11:46:09  <Celestar> most of my distances are not walkable
11:46:13  <Jango> Basle -> Blackpool on one tank
11:46:28  <Celestar> how far is that?
11:46:32  <Jango> i think that's ~700 miles
11:46:36  <petern> 750-800 miles i think it was
11:46:40  <Jango> depending on route
11:46:47  <petern> over mountains
11:46:52  <petern> stuck in queues
11:47:00  <Jango> the Jaguar was the best out of the 3
11:47:08  <petern> mainly cos it had a massive tank
11:47:08  <Celestar> hm ..
11:47:19  <Jango> indeed
11:47:19  <Celestar> I can do around 700 miles on our 530d
11:47:25  <Celestar> if i stretch it
11:47:30  <Jango> my top is 500 miles
11:48:00  <Celestar> my A180CDI with careful driving does close to 600
11:48:07  <Celestar> 500 in normal driving/conditions
11:48:29  <petern> what was it? a jaguar xj6 tdi?
11:48:36  <Jango> can't remember the exact model
11:48:56  <Celestar> a 777LR has a range of close to 18000km :P
11:48:59  <Jango> same engine that they went tearing round the nurburbring in though
11:49:06  <Jango> lol ;)
11:49:11  <Jango> try one of them on the autobahn
11:49:19  <Celestar> try building a car with a range of 18000km
11:50:27  <petern> easy
11:50:32  <AgentLeMan> Celestar, easy : cut off the wings of a 777lr
11:50:42  <petern> it would be quite big
11:50:42  <Rubidium> <- that one has a range of 18000km
11:50:44  <Celestar> AgentLeMan: the wings are the fuel tank :P
11:50:46  <Rubidium> (and more)
11:50:47  <petern> for the massive tank
11:50:57  <AgentLeMan> Celestar, ARGS, ok, you won °laughs°
11:50:59  <Celestar> petern: it would be a tanker
11:51:03  <Celestar> lol
11:51:17  <Celestar> and even with a 30.000 liter tanker, I'm not sure.
11:51:31  <Celestar> they need around 40 liters / 100km
11:51:35  <Celestar> so for 18000 km ..
11:51:46  <Celestar> ok .. works (=
11:52:04  <Jango> 777 is faster
11:52:12  <Celestar> slighly
11:52:17  <Celestar> and slightly more comfortable
11:52:20  <petern> might be a bit expensive to fill up
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11:53:12  <Celestar> we finally need to get rid of those stupid ICEs for cars
11:53:24  <petern> boomboomboom?
11:53:32  <Jango> at least you have ICEs
11:53:37  <FauxFaux> The real threat? A FLOATING BOMB.
11:54:05  <Gekz> lol
11:54:18  <AgentLeMan> Celestar, question is.. who cares?
11:54:33  <AgentLeMan> adn who would or could pay for that?
11:54:48  <Celestar> for what?
11:55:33  <AgentLeMan> ICE-replacement. you were just talking about that
11:55:39  <Celestar> yes. electric engines
11:55:57  <Brianetta> HST
11:56:00  <Brianetta> Go on
11:56:02  <Jango> lol
11:56:03  <Brianetta> You knbow you want them
11:56:05  <Jango> bring on the HST
11:56:11  <Jango> APT even
11:56:20  <Celestar> I'm talking about internal combustion engines :S
11:56:23  <Brianetta> no, there's not enough around
11:56:37  <Jango> ah
11:56:39  <Jango> hmm
11:56:39  <Brianetta> DB needs to acquire all the HST stock in the UK
11:56:50  <Jango> DB?
11:56:57  <Brianetta> and perhaps some of the Pacers
11:57:07  <Jango> Deutsche Bahn?
11:57:08  <AgentLeMan> yes, she wrote DB.
11:57:25  * Brianetta looks around
11:57:26  <Celestar> who is "she" ?
11:57:49  <AgentLeMan> oh please, you dont want to tell me, that... °sighs°
11:58:12  <AgentLeMan> °winks° next thing is, jango wears makeup
11:58:17  <Brianetta> AgentLeWoman
11:58:39  <Jango> maybe in private
11:58:52  <AgentLeMan> it refers more to Mankind, then to Male
11:59:18  <Brianetta> Welcome to the most ambiguous language in Europe.
11:59:35  <AgentLeMan> yip, you can talk it under aswell as on land
11:59:51  <AgentLeMan> uhm
11:59:59  <AgentLeMan> yip, you can talk it under water aswell as on land
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12:03:56  <Jango> do we still have any slam doors?
12:11:59  <Doorslammer> Mk1s? :P
12:20:19  <Gekz> AgentLeMan: why is the degrees symbol on AZERTY keyboards?
12:20:26  <Gekz> where is it actually used in French orthography
12:24:22  <AgentLeMan> why? it°s simply to confuse you.
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12:51:21  <appe> new watch!
12:52:05  <AgentLeMan> a .. .watch?
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12:57:38  <Brianetta> A niceone
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13:21:35  <Ammler> does someone know "EEP 5.0" ?
13:21:51  <AgentLeMan> railwaysimmulator, i think it was
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13:23:02  <AgentLeMan> wasnt it the one, that got sold in a shiny metalbox?
13:26:03  * Celestar bites into the phone
13:27:01  <AgentLeMan> °note to self "next time dont gift Celestar with phones that look like banananas" °
13:28:20  <petern> ring ring ring ring?
13:28:51  <Celestar> no
13:28:57  <Celestar> colleague trying to install XP on his workstation
13:29:01  <Celestar> Why is this such a PITA
13:29:01  <AgentLeMan> °laughs, imagining Celestar's belly getting a massage°
13:29:25  <Celestar> with opensuse, you put in the Boot CD and after about 30 minutes everything is there.
13:30:14  <Celestar> stupid XP doesn't find a hard disk
13:31:02  <Ammler> windos xp without driver cd needs around half a day.
13:31:27  <Celestar> only if it finds a HDD.
13:31:36  <Ammler> and you need things like USB sticks etc.
13:31:39  <Celestar> I don't know why it doesn't find one. and I don't care.
13:31:50  <Celestar> it's commercial software. He can call MS installation support.
13:32:19  <Ammler> well, you could also use the cd which was shipped with.
13:32:35  <Celestar> missing identifier after 'with'
13:32:46  <Ammler> then it needs only double the time of suse :-)
13:33:24  <Celestar> we don't get our PCs shipped with OSes.
13:33:27  <Ammler> if you buy a pc, you ususally have a recovery cd/dvd
13:33:51  <Celestar> we don't buy PCs with that crap
13:33:57  <Ammler> oh well, then it is a pain.
13:34:02  <Celestar> it's the most stupid thing there is.
13:34:34  <Ammler> hardware support of windows is like 0 compared to suse (native)
13:34:34  <Celestar> it takes me HOURS to rid computers of all the software that is installed with the recovery shit
13:34:56  <Celestar> plus I dunno how it works when you modify the hardware of the computer
13:35:38  <Ammler> I have also no idea, I just know, dell has a good driver db for windows and nice support team.
13:35:53  <Celestar> the recovery CD of my IBM PC makes a windows installation of FOUR gigabytes.
13:36:02  <Celestar> FOUR gigabytes for an unsuable PCs.
13:36:04  <Qball> :D
13:36:17  <Celestar> you can't even read e-mails after that installation
13:36:19  <Ammler> :-)
13:36:26  <Ammler> GMail
13:36:33  <Celestar> EMAIL
13:36:36  <Celestar> not web pages
13:36:39  <Ammler> ah :P
13:36:46  <AgentLeMan> °snickers°
13:36:48  <Celestar> e-mail means IMAPS.
13:37:29  <Celestar> oh.
13:37:30  <petern> heh
13:37:34  <petern> 13:33 <@Celestar> we don't get our PCs shipped with OSes.
13:37:34  <Celestar> you can't even look at PDFs
13:37:36  <petern> 13:33 <@Celestar> we don't buy PCs with that crap
13:37:38  <petern> 13:35 <@Celestar> the recovery CD of my IBM PC makes a windows installation of FOUR gigabytes.
13:37:47  <petern> so do you or don't you? :p
13:37:48  <Celestar> petern: "our" == office PCs
13:37:58  <Celestar> petern: "my laptop" != office PC
13:38:01  <petern> ah
13:38:09  <Celestar> and it's a PITA to get a laptop with a proper OS installed.
13:38:22  <Ammler> office pc runs with windows?
13:38:26  <AgentLeMan> this isnt possible.... Celestar, do you have a direct, neuronal link to your pc?
13:38:33  <Celestar> Ammler: most are dual-boot.
13:38:47  <Ammler> do you need it for gaming?
13:38:54  <Celestar> nah.
13:39:04  <Ammler> another reason for windows?
13:39:07  <Celestar> yes.
13:39:11  <Celestar> CATIA V5
13:39:20  <Celestar> IBM still didn't manage to release a linux version
13:39:27  <AgentLeMan> °shrugs° nevermind...
13:39:31  <Celestar> although the native OS it runs on is AIX.
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13:39:57  <petern> i need windows so that i can connect to ssl-encrypted remote desktop :p
13:40:18  <SpComb> CATIA V5 runs on Microsoft Windows (both 32-bit and 64-bit), and as of Release 18 Service Pack 4 on Windows Vista 64[6]. IBM AIX, Hewlett Packard HP-UX and Sun Microsystems Solaris are supported.
13:40:27  <SpComb> solaris!
13:40:27  <Celestar> SpComb: exactly.
13:40:34  <petern> HP-UX!
13:40:36  <petern> AIX!
13:40:36  <Celestar> but no linux support.
13:40:40  <petern> lame
13:40:45  <planetmaker> True64!
13:40:51  <Celestar> it's apparently too difficult to port something that works on AIX, HPUX and Solaris to linux :P
13:40:56  <Qball> lame? does that run on AIX
13:41:12  <planetmaker> ... or IRIX :P
13:41:34  <AgentLeMan> are there any... normal people around?
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13:41:39  <Celestar> they FINALLY made it to work on vista .. lol
13:41:40  * Qball looks around
13:41:41  <Qball> no
13:41:43  <Celestar> it took them years :P
13:41:52  <Celestar> but porting to linux is difficult
13:41:58  * Celestar holds his belly, laughing
13:42:33  <AgentLeMan> °thinks, it must be the bananaphone ringing°
13:45:30  <petern> well, linux is all open source, they can't possibly use that!
13:47:41  <Celestar> petern: apparently
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13:47:58  <Celestar> petern: I'm quite sure it works on OpenSolaris :P
13:48:10  <petern> nobody uses that ;)
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14:17:46  <Belugas> Hellooo
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15:41:33  <Belugas> [08:41] <AgentLeMan> are there any... normal people around?  <---  muwhahahaha!!!
15:41:36  <Belugas> waht a joke :D
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15:41:45  <Belugas> what
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17:58:36  <Rubidium> CIA-2, let me guess... you're going to quit due to the fact that you're flooding. Am I right?
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17:58:48  <Patrick> hah
17:59:09  <glx> not our fault
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18:01:57  <Belugas> our silence is too loud for CIA-x
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18:03:04  <Prof_Frink> OK, what project just went through a major refactoring?
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18:03:18  <ccfreak2k> Obviously not the CIA project.
18:03:27  <ccfreak2k> Especially the part where it has flood control.
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18:13:22  <goodger-away> hello gentlemen
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18:17:04  <Belugas> hello ben
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18:18:13  <Belugas> ho?
18:18:24  <Belugas> not seen ln around
18:18:52  <Belugas> 6 days ago
18:20:53  <benjamingoodger> eh?
18:21:31  <petern> the regular, known as ln, is not around.
18:22:02  <benjamingoodger> quite
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18:22:36  <benjamingoodger> would anyone care to explain, very briefly, why these two keep entering and quitting? I understand already that they are bots designed to monitor commits
18:23:00  <SpComb> they're being buggy
18:23:12  <Belugas> lucky for us :)  with his latest infatuation of politeness, he would keep on saluting CIA-x :D
18:24:04  <benjamingoodger> yes, he would
18:24:33  <benjamingoodger> it would probably cause his brain to swell and crack his skull, macbook-battery-style
18:25:29  <Belugas> CIA-x are bots from an organisation that watches our commits and relay them in our channel.
18:25:30  <petern> hmm, anyone use code::blocks?
18:25:59  <Belugas> the fact that they keep on trying to join and fail is probably something on their side
18:26:04  <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬
18:26:06  <benjamingoodger> righto
18:26:10  <Belugas> i would not, Rubidium
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18:26:45  <benjamingoodger> I tried it briefly a few years ago... couldn't see anything wrong with it, but then again, I hadn't yet been exposed to cygwin or indeed gnu/linux
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18:38:36  <Belugas> Lakie has just put his hat on
18:38:43  <Lakie`> Well.
18:39:20  <Lakie`> I think th bouncer goofed or something? Lol
18:40:06  <Belugas> :D
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18:40:50  <Lakie`> I shall poke orudge about it
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18:45:08  <petern> pah, bouncers
18:45:11  <petern> how 1990s
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18:51:18  <benjamingoodger>
18:51:22  <George_>  Is there anybody here who can compile GRFCodec r2055 for me for WinXP?
18:51:52  <Ammler> George_: I can't but if you like, I can try your nfo here...
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18:54:20  <glx> George_:
18:54:23  <glx> should work
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18:55:52  <George_> glx: Thank you!
18:56:48  <George_> and why is it so big?
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18:57:40  <glx> not stripped nor upxed
18:58:33  <glx> updated zip
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19:15:13  <George_> thank you. but the problem remains
19:15:15  <George_> GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2055E - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler
19:15:16  <George_> Encoding in temporary file
19:15:18  <George_> Error: Encountered invalid character looking for literal byte.
19:15:19  <George_>         While reading sprite:2780
19:15:21  <George_> Any ideas?
19:17:19  <George_> glx: problem with updated zip. Setup.exe generates error VB40032.dll not found
19:20:21  <frosch123> George_: paste the sprite and the previous and following 5 lines to
19:23:01  <George_> frosch123:
19:26:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14628 /trunk/projects/generate: -Fix: projects/generate doesn't handle tabs in sources.list properly when determining whether a header is missing.
19:26:44  <frosch123> works for me, using "NFORenum v3.4.6 r1916" and "GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r1655E", resp. it only complains about missing file
19:27:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14629 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
19:27:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: strgen/strgen.h missing from MSVC project files
19:27:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: welsh missing from MSVC project files
19:29:05  <frosch123> same for "GRFCodec version 0.9.10 r2055"
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19:30:02  <George_>
19:32:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14630 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: support Allegro as video backend.
19:36:44  <frosch123> George_: your "/" is weird, deleting it and rewriting makes it work :s
19:37:47  <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p
19:38:33  <frosch123> hmm, no its not the "/"
19:38:35  <Belugas> Laughing My Ass Off ???
19:38:45  <frosch123> when I modify the line, it works
19:39:01  <Eddi|zuHause> that's the usual interpretation of that abbreviation, yes
19:39:02  <frosch123> so maybe grfcodec expects linux line breaks there?
19:41:12  <frosch123> yup, with "dos2unix" and "unix2dos" I can convert the .nfo between failing and succeeding
19:42:49  <frosch123> also a tabulator at the end of the line makes it fail :s
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19:46:59  <Eddi|zuHause> time to beat up DaleStan, i suppose :p
19:47:30  <benjamingoodger> bugger, I think I bollocksed my firefox
19:47:53  <frosch123> George_: sorry, seems like grfcodec does not like windows.
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19:50:54  <George_> frosch123: which line?
19:51:55  <petern> allegro backend, heh
19:56:08  <frosch123> George_: <- try to directly safe it on disk, and do not save it with an editor
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20:01:13  <frosch123> when it works you might use stuff like until someone fixes grfcodec
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20:11:12  <George_> frosch123: Yes, your NFO works well
20:13:41  * benjamingoodger has repaired his firefox
20:13:47  <benjamingoodger> all is good and joyful again!
20:15:02  <benjamingoodger> hmm
20:15:10  <benjamingoodger> is it a good thing that I have invented a new type of bomb?
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20:22:48  <George_> Please, help! I've updated ChatZilla (my IRC client) and now it displays  ===	#openttd.notice You may not change nickname while banned or moderated on a channel (+b/+q/+m)  === message 3 times per minute!
20:23:05  <George_> Is there a way to stop it?
20:25:30  <Belugas> yup.
20:25:43  <Belugas> that's becasue ypu are in #openttd.notice
20:25:50  <Belugas> get out of that channel,
20:25:56  <George_> How can I fix it?
20:25:58  <Belugas> change the nick
20:26:02  <Belugas> and rejoin
20:26:12  <Belugas> (works for me... dunno of any other mathod)
20:26:37  <benjamingoodger> *everyone flocks to #openttd.notice to see what it's for*
20:26:50  <Eddi|zuHause> we know what it's for...
20:26:58  * tokai didn't
20:27:03  * benjamingoodger didn't either
20:27:07  <Eddi|zuHause> it's for DorpsGek to tell about commits and fs entries
20:27:19  <benjamingoodger> ah
20:27:39  <Patrick> dorp dorp dorp
20:27:41  <Belugas> we all know it is for the newest version of Openttd.  Notice is the code name of the progject, containing among others, the new map array
20:27:48  <Patrick> I thought commits were dumped into here
20:27:53  <Patrick> but it has been quiet
20:29:03  <George_> Belugas: Thank you, it helped
20:29:25  <Belugas> you're welcome, George_ :)
20:30:31  <George_> Now I'd like to see Dale to ask to fix GRF codec to work on Win :)
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20:50:28  <glx> [20:17:29] <George_> glx: problem with updated zip. Setup.exe generates error VB40032.dll not found <-- there's not setup.exe in the zip
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20:51:13  <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬
20:51:18  <George_> please repost the link (Confused)
20:51:34  <glx>
20:51:41  <benjamingoodger> btw, if there were a setup.exe, you could fix it by installing VB40032.dll, which is found on all DLL download sites as it's very common
20:52:13  <glx> VB4 is quite old
20:53:18  <benjamingoodger> I think that's a bit of an understatement
20:53:50  <benjamingoodger> it is 13 years old
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20:56:43  <Eddi|zuHause> that means ist is "seasoned" ;)
20:57:09  <Eddi|zuHause> if software were like wines...
20:58:46  <Belugas> would we have ice-software??
21:00:13  <George_> glx: Sorry
21:00:14  * frosch123 remembers some old function for CGA cards to disable "snow" :s
21:00:41  * Belugas wants it!
21:00:41  * Belugas wants it!
21:00:42  * Belugas wants it!
21:00:46  <glx> lol
21:01:03  <Eddi|zuHause> we have nice snow out here ;)
21:01:11  <benjamingoodger> damn you and your snow
21:01:20  <Eddi|zuHause> but they said it's getting warmer
21:01:38  <Belugas> we do have snow too.  would not call it nice
21:01:49  <Belugas> felt during the night
21:01:53  <Belugas> yursh
21:01:54  <glx> hehe
21:02:01  <Eddi|zuHause> well, the difference is that you have snow during more than 3 days per year :p
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21:04:32  <Belugas> sadly enough, you are rigth
21:05:32  <benjamingoodger> I'd kill to have snow this year
21:05:55  <mrfrenzy> you can come here and take all the snow you want
21:06:01  <mrfrenzy> you don't even have to kill anyone
21:06:13  <benjamingoodger> I suspect my car won't be able to fit enough in
21:07:09  <benjamingoodger> and I can't afford a trip to sweden :(
21:07:34  <mrfrenzy> piggyback on santas reindeers
21:07:51  <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬
21:08:08  <Belugas> they made it mandatory to have winter tires this year.  For the first time.  You shold see the lineups at the garages
21:08:28  <benjamingoodger> heh
21:08:29  <mrfrenzy> in oregon?
21:08:36  <mrfrenzy> do you even have winter
21:08:46  <Belugas> do I look like an american ??
21:08:59  <benjamingoodger> in quebec, if I recall correctly
21:08:59  <Belugas> no offense meant, Dalestan
21:09:09  <Belugas> yup
21:09:09  <benjamingoodger> heh
21:09:12  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14631 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Add: support for Allegro as sound backend.
21:09:19  <mrfrenzy> you're using an oregon server ;)
21:09:30  <benjamingoodger> quebec is on the same latitude as great britain, and hence is really _really_ cold
21:09:36  <mrfrenzy> haha
21:09:38  <Belugas> remember?  Never trust what's been saidf on the Internet
21:09:39  <mrfrenzy> more like rainy
21:10:41  <benjamingoodger> well, great britain is on the same latitude as sweden too
21:10:50  <benjamingoodger> doesn't make sense that we're comparatively warm
21:10:59  <benjamingoodger> sodding ocean currents
21:11:09  <George_> Sometimes I feel very stupid. Like now. The sound problem was my fault, sorry.
21:11:37  <frosch123> does it work with the new grfcodec?
21:15:41  <George_> yes. And it works even in dos mode :(
21:16:50  <George_> My fault was in my comments generator (error in code)
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21:23:14  <planetmaker> question to the devs: there's defined UINT16_MAX, UINT32_MAX,... but no UINT8_MAX. Any reason?
21:24:05  <planetmaker> 255 is easy enough to remember, I know though :P
21:24:14  <frosch123> 0xFF is even easier
21:24:27  <petern> 0xFFFFFFFF's not hard ;)
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21:25:03  <planetmaker> yeah. But you go lengths to define the other UINT##_MAX...
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21:38:27  <glx> we probably never needed UINT8_MAX
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21:44:05  * Belugas wonders if we do use hardcoded 0xFF or something alike
21:45:18  <petern> all over the place
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21:50:08  <planetmaker> glx: I just wanted to use one... and got a compile error :)
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21:51:09  <Ammler> what else then 0xFF can UNIT8_MAX be?
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21:51:28  <glx> (uint8)-1
21:51:31  <Ammler> could
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21:53:18  * Ammler is just wondering why do you use constants for those?
21:53:42  <planetmaker> readability, Ammler :)
21:56:11  <Belugas> UNIT8_MAX ?
21:56:14  <Belugas> silly name
21:57:09  <planetmaker> Belugas: all else is explicitly definied in stdafx.h
21:57:26  <planetmaker> (or provided by default by the compilers / default headers)
21:57:36  <Belugas> well.. instead of UNIT, at least, i would have called it UINT
21:57:38  <Belugas> prrrrrrrrt
21:57:40  <planetmaker> at least that's how I understand it.
21:57:50  <planetmaker> :P
21:57:55  <planetmaker> 1:0 for you ;)
22:01:11  * Belugas keeps the 1 in reserve for when he will really need it
22:01:21  <Belugas> a bit is always usefull
22:01:30  * Belugas wants to smoke it
22:02:02  <planetmaker> pah... :) it's worth much more than being smoked! ;)
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22:29:22  <appe> moistured nipple
22:29:23  <appe> oh
22:29:24  <appe> i mean
22:29:25  <appe> hi!
22:29:56  <benjamingoodger> 0.ò
22:30:23  <Sacro> the keys are so close together...
22:30:57  <benjamingoodger> yeah...
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22:31:08  <Tefad> what what?
22:31:26  <benjamingoodger> like when I accidentally type "you're a bloody moron" instead of "good afternoon"
22:31:29  <benjamingoodger> such an easy mistake
22:32:31  <Tefad> no one got it. n/m
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22:32:57  <SmatZ> I just know that joke
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22:33:32  <SmatZ>
22:38:05  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:57:20  * benjamingoodger has sent off his university application
22:57:23  <benjamingoodger> wish me luck...
22:57:43  <Sacro> benjamingoodger: which unis?
22:57:51  <benjamingoodger> university of kent
22:58:18  <Sacro> ewww southern
22:58:45  <SmatZ> will you need luck?
23:00:07  <Rubidium> ;)
23:01:14  <Eddi|zuHause> now you're getting crazy :p
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23:03:57  <benjamingoodger> what d'you mean, ewww southern? :P
23:04:17  <Tefad> holy crap openttd in dos?
23:04:19  <benjamingoodger> surely you don't think there are any good universities in the north, besides loughborough and leicester
23:04:34  <Tefad> you using that weird windows wrapper?
23:05:55  <Eddi|zuHause> technically, all you need is a 32bit extension and an sdl port...
23:06:27  <SmatZ> "cygdos"
23:06:31  <Eddi|zuHause> a dos port always ran under the category: "it's possible, but nobody bothered to do it yet"
23:06:32  <benjamingoodger> luck cannot hurt...
23:06:49  <benjamingoodger> my qualifications are inferior up to this point
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23:06:53  <SmatZ> :)
23:06:55  <Eddi|zuHause> why the hell would you need an application for a university?
23:07:08  <benjamingoodger> actually, you don't apply to the university
23:07:22  <benjamingoodger> there's an extra layer of bureaucracy on top of that
23:08:06  <benjamingoodger> and I need to apply to the university in order to make them teach me stuff and give me a degree :P
23:08:45  <Eddi|zuHause> some subjects have a "numerus clausus" in germany, where you need to apply, but not the ones that are cool...
23:09:30  <Eddi|zuHause> most sciences and maths are "just show up on enrollment day, and you are in"
23:10:01  <benjamingoodger> ah
23:10:19  <Eddi|zuHause> the numerus clausus subjects are the ones that are totally overrun anyway, like medicine
23:10:30  <benjamingoodger> aha
23:10:44  <benjamingoodger> well, at least twenty british universities are "totally overrun"
23:10:59  <benjamingoodger> and the rest of the universities cannot be bothered to do anything different
23:11:04  <benjamingoodger> so they all use this stupid system
23:12:12  <benjamingoodger> I got charged £17
23:12:14  <benjamingoodger> it was most annoying
23:12:27  <Eddi|zuHause> for applying?
23:12:30  <benjamingoodger> yes
23:12:32  <Eddi|zuHause> how stupid...
23:12:40  <benjamingoodger> and I will be charged £3500 per year for the course
23:12:51  <benjamingoodger> and a further £130 per week for accommodation
23:12:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i mean i only had to pay the semester fee before my enrollment
23:12:59  <benjamingoodger> and the textbooks will be about £300
23:13:02  <Eddi|zuHause> which was like 40€
23:13:14  <benjamingoodger> really?
23:13:33  <benjamingoodger> good grief
23:13:45  <benjamingoodger> the government gives you a loan to cover all this, of course
23:14:02  <benjamingoodger> but they charge interest
23:14:10  <Eddi|zuHause> wtf?
23:14:23  <benjamingoodger> yeah
23:14:28  <benjamingoodger> student loans --- brilliant
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23:15:00  <benjamingoodger> the average student debt is about £20,000 when leaving university
23:15:07  <Eddi|zuHause> here you get "BAFöG", which means like 350€ - (portion of parents' income), half of it as a gift, and half of it as a interestless loan
23:15:34  <benjamingoodger> we don't have to start paying it off until we're earning £16,000 per year, but we still get charged interest
23:15:49  <Eddi|zuHause> and then you get additional cuts on the loan when you finish fast, or pay everything back at once
23:16:07  <benjamingoodger> finish what fast?
23:16:12  <Eddi|zuHause> studying
23:16:20  <benjamingoodger> ooh
23:16:24  <benjamingoodger> interesting concept
23:17:37  <Eddi|zuHause> but i didn't get a lot of student support, in the beginning it was like 120€ per month, but the next year, my sister finished her education, so the parents' income was divided by less siblings to support
23:17:51  <Eddi|zuHause> so it only warranted like 20€ per month, which you can almost forget...
23:18:14  <Eddi|zuHause> so maybe i owe them 1000€ or something
23:18:47  <Sacro> benjamingoodger: heh, mine is alot already
23:18:50  * Sacro is on his 3rd year
23:19:04  <benjamingoodger> where?
23:19:04  <Sacro> so that's... 7.5k in course fees
23:19:07  <Sacro> Hull :D
23:19:11  <benjamingoodger> ah yes
23:19:18  <Sacro> one of the 3 greats
23:19:23  <benjamingoodger> ¬.¬
23:19:33  <Sacro> oxford, cambridge, hull! :D
23:19:41  <Eddi|zuHause> but the iditots of politicians, in their endless greed, cut the law against studying fees
23:20:26  <Eddi|zuHause> not realising that a student who finishes studying will pay back his studying costs in taxes multiple times during his work years...
23:20:42  <Eddi|zuHause> so instead they are driving away poor people from studying
23:20:54  <Tefad> i refuse to get in education in a system where i have to borrow from my future
23:21:02  <Tefad> highly annoying.
23:21:09  <benjamingoodger> that's the spirit!
23:21:13  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I support your political view
23:21:26  <benjamingoodger> we have kind of a problem in the UK
23:21:29  <Tefad> and saving up for education isn't very great either
23:21:36  <benjamingoodger> _everyone_ can get a degree of some sort
23:21:46  <Eddi|zuHause> well, here they only introduced fees for sudents who take more than 2 years longer than scheduled, but i don't expect that to stay that way
23:21:47  <Tefad> neat
23:21:49  <Qball> I get mails about it daily
23:22:16  <benjamingoodger> whether it's a degree in medicine, or a degree in aromatherapy, you can still get A Degree
23:22:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14632 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Add: support Allegro as midi backend.
23:22:23  <Tefad> i make enough money to pay rent, therefore the government won't subsidize my education.
23:22:24  <benjamingoodger> which devalues the entire system beyond belief
23:23:03  <Tefad> i'd have to be living below poverty for the government to give me grants
23:23:44  <benjamingoodger> irritating
23:23:53  <benjamingoodger> I'll just end up horrifically in debt
23:24:13  <benjamingoodger> and with a debatably useful degree
23:24:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14633 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix: compile failure when building a debug build without network support.
23:26:45  <benjamingoodger> and that's if the university offer me a place
23:27:06  <benjamingoodger> they may give me a conditional offer, which means I have to achieve certain grades in secondary education in order to get the place
23:27:29  <benjamingoodger> which means it's not possible to just apply and go, I have to apply about 10 months early
23:27:42  <Sacro> i turned up mid september
23:28:39  <benjamingoodger> lucky you...
23:28:51  <benjamingoodger> I imagine my course also will start in mid-september
23:28:58  <benjamingoodger> but I still have to apply now, or earlier
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23:33:44  <appe> WHA
23:34:06  <benjamingoodger> WHO
23:34:10  <benjamingoodger> WHEN
23:34:15  <benjamingoodger> HOW
23:34:17  <benjamingoodger> :P

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