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00:00:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yeah ... making stupidity relative always works :) 00:00:35 <TrueBrain> "If it appears broken, don't use it" 00:00:39 <TrueBrain> will be my new slogan 00:00:49 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: nah... 00:01:11 <Prof_Frink> "If it ain't broke, you ain't played with it enough." 00:01:22 <Skyruner2> Rubidium: remove the source of "stupid" 00:01:28 <TrueBrain> haha, and at this moment, a new slashdot article appears: 00:01:43 <TrueBrain> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F02%2F2254238&from=rss 00:01:45 <TrueBrain> what are the odds ... 00:01:56 <Skyruner2> great :) 00:02:14 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: "if appears broken don't tell what is broken, but tell everyone it is broken and that the developers haven't fixed it yet" 00:02:48 <Rubidium> Skyruner2: ALT-F4 only moves me to the source of "stupid", i.e. the workspace with my browser with tt-forums opened 00:03:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I only agree with the first part :) 00:03:43 <Wolf01> 'night 00:03:46 <TrueBrain> always reminds me a customer called me: "My computer gave an error" - "which error?" - "I don't know, I clicked it away" - "so why do you call me?" - "I just wanted to let you know I had an error" 00:03:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:03:51 <qball> yeah nothing like a bug report: it does not work 00:03:58 <TrueBrain> after that there was a clear sound of me bashing my head against the wall 00:04:18 <qball> TrueBrain: sorry, it was me 00:04:32 <TrueBrain> I asked in return if that person also wanted to call me when she was going to the toilet 00:04:34 <Skyruner2> Rubidium: i meant to suggest alt+f4 to the user complaining on the forum as a fix to his problem 00:04:38 <TrueBrain> it was neve runderstood :( 00:06:13 <TrueBrain> anyway ... Rubidium: still count 10 fingers? 00:06:24 *** luddek [~luddek@c-12cae455.610-106-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 00:06:47 <TrueBrain> welcome luddek 00:06:52 <Rubidium> nope, I count 1010 ;) 00:06:58 <luddek> thank you truebrain 00:07:17 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, if you count like that, I hope you can count to 1111111111 00:07:46 <Rubidium> ;) 00:08:45 <TrueBrain> people always look at me all confused when I say I can count up to 1024 on my fingers .. 00:08:56 <goodger> ^_^ 00:09:13 <TrueBrain> once they asked me to proof it .. 00:09:15 <TrueBrain> that was a dull night 00:09:22 <qball> ha ha ha 00:09:23 <goodger> wait 00:09:53 <goodger> it should be 2047 00:09:54 <Rubidium> last time I tried I overflowed after 1023 00:10:10 <Skyruner2> ^^ 00:10:14 <qball> signed or unsigned 00:10:28 <goodger> unless you stop with 1000000000 00:10:30 <TrueBrain> goodger: I have no idea how much fingers you have ....... 00:10:41 <goodger> I have 10 fingers 00:10:42 <Roujin> lol 00:10:44 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: always a nasty side-effect :) 00:10:52 <TrueBrain> goodger: 2^8 is ... 00:11:01 <Roujin> wheres the calc bot 00:11:11 <qball> TrueBrain: two's complement? 00:11:15 <TrueBrain> Roujin: people should learn this by head :) 00:11:18 <Roujin> calc bot dear calc bot please tell goodger what 2^10 is ;) 00:11:24 <goodger> the maximum binary number expressible with ten digits is (2**11)-1 00:11:38 <goodger> Roujin: 10^1 is 1000000000 00:11:52 <goodger> the maximum number is 1111111111, which is 10^11-1 00:11:52 <TrueBrain> I think goodger needs some kind of leason in binary counting ... 00:12:28 <Rubidium> wow... so with one bit you can count from 0 to 3 00:12:39 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: a quadbit! 00:12:44 <qball> :D 00:13:06 <goodger> I am quite confident that I am able to count in binary 00:13:06 <Skyruner2> i use both my eyes aswell.. also sticking out my toung is another bit aswell as closing/opening my mouth... i can raise both my big toes but usualy people can tell when im wearing shoes - same problem with breathing in/ out 00:13:11 <TrueBrain> goodger: in here in general it is wise to either know what you are talking about, or shut the fuck up ;) 00:13:37 <Roujin> 10^1 is 1000000000 <--- I am not entirely sure what to say about this oO 00:13:45 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: just show goodger 132 counted binary on your fingers 00:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Skyruner2: i would not recommend sticking out your tongue and closing your mouth at the same time 00:13:52 <TrueBrain> but it is very cool, that with 8 bits, you can count up to 511 ... that redefines all our computers instant .... 00:13:54 <goodger> sorry, (2^11)-1 00:14:02 <qball> goodger: please count to 2047 on 10 fingers. 00:14:10 <qball> I'll wait 00:14:16 <qball> please paste every step 00:14:21 <TrueBrain> qball: an other dull night it is ;) 00:14:28 <TrueBrain> and a frustrating one for that matter :) 00:14:31 <qball> TrueBrain: yeah. 00:14:38 <qball> TrueBrain: but the outcome might be fun 00:14:44 <Rubidium> more Yoda thou shalt speak 00:14:47 <TrueBrain> 1023 .... 0 ... 1 ... 2 .... 00:14:54 <qball> TrueBrain: I got a good bottle of whiskey to keep me company 00:15:02 <TrueBrain> qball: hmm .. whiskey might do the trick 00:15:08 <TrueBrain> I think in the end you will have your 11th bit :) 00:15:12 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F730.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:15:20 <TrueBrain> (the end of the bottle, that is) 00:15:25 <qball> TrueBrain: or none at all 00:15:29 <goodger> qball: ok, you raise each of your ten digits, which is 1111111111, which is one less than 10000000000, or in other words, (2**11)-1, which according to google is 2047 00:15:38 <qball> allready had some nice 14 years old today 00:15:53 <Roujin> goodger: you're obiwan. 00:16:02 <qball> goodger: no no 00:16:04 <qball> start at 1 00:16:15 <TrueBrain> qball: lol :) 00:16:17 <goodger> eh? 00:16:24 <TrueBrain> 0000000001 00:16:24 <goodger> I don't follow 00:16:29 <TrueBrain> 0000000010 00:16:32 <TrueBrain> 0000000011 00:16:32 <goodger> yes, that's 1 00:16:34 <TrueBrain> 0000000100 00:16:34 <goodger> and that's 2 00:16:35 <TrueBrain> 0000000101 00:16:37 <TrueBrain> 0000000110 00:16:37 <goodger> and that's 3 00:16:38 <goodger> 4 00:16:39 <goodger> 5 00:16:41 <TrueBrain> @kick TrueBrain stfu 00:16:41 *** TrueBrain was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [stfu] 00:16:41 <goodger> 6 00:16:43 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 00:16:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.13] has joined #openttd 00:16:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:16:51 <goodger> ... 00:16:57 <Roujin> you're OffByOne 00:16:59 <TrueBrain> take us to 2047, or math-user 00:17:02 <goodger> so eventually, you will end up with 1111111111 00:17:03 <TrueBrain> or = oh 00:17:20 <TrueBrain> abuser 00:17:22 <TrueBrain> math-abuser 00:17:23 <TrueBrain> yeah :) 00:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger: 1 is 2^0 00:17:32 <Roujin> goodger: the least significant bit is worth 2^0, not 2^1 00:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 10 is 2^1 00:17:47 <Roujin> you started counting at 1, not at 0 00:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause> 100 is 2^2 00:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> 10000 is 2^4 00:18:03 <TrueBrain> as I said a few minutes ago ... goodger needs some bitwise counting leasons 00:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 0000 0000 is 2^8 00:18:10 <Eddi|zuHause> 100 0000 0000 is 2^10 00:18:15 <Eddi|zuHause> not 2^11 00:18:32 <TrueBrain> if only goodger would have tried counting on his fingers ... 00:18:35 <goodger> ah, yes, I see. 00:18:44 <TrueBrain> 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 00:18:51 <qball> 1777 = 3ff = 1023 = 1111111111 00:18:54 <TrueBrain> then he would have not made such an ass out of itself ... 00:19:03 <qball> TrueBrain: big endian? 00:19:06 <Rubidium> using goodger's math: 10000000000 = 2^11 -> 1000000000 = 2^10 -> 100000000 = 2^9 -> 10000000 = 2^8 -> 1000000 = 2^7 -> 100000 = 2^6 -> 10000 = 2^5 -> 1000 = 2^4 -> 100 = 2^3 -> 10 = 2^2 -> 1 = 2^1 -> 1/2 = 2^0 = 1 00:19:08 <TrueBrain> (itself, by the lack of gender-check) 00:19:24 <TrueBrain> qball: yes 00:19:30 <TrueBrain> big endian is more useful for humans :) 00:19:33 <Roujin> heh, TrueBrain has big endian fingers *snicker* 00:19:35 <TrueBrain> little endian is only useful for machines :) 00:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> 1/2 = 1 might not be the most useful equation :p 00:19:58 <goodger> yes, yes, I was mistaken 00:19:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I think we all want to deposit like .... 50 eurocent to goodger 00:20:02 <goodger> no need to rub it in 00:20:03 <TrueBrain> then w eget 1 euro in return :) 00:20:20 <TrueBrain> yes, big need to rub it in 00:20:25 <goodger> TrueBrain: no, you'll get 1.01 euro... haven't you seen the price of sterling recently? 00:20:28 * TrueBrain gets the sponses ... 00:20:35 <TrueBrain> even better to me 00:20:38 <TrueBrain> what is your account number? 00:20:39 <Skyruner2> we could just use a modified IEEE754 to represent numbers with fingers 00:20:43 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of that time when some person in here was complaining when i explained the refit masks in big endian 00:20:46 <Rubidium> and... that would redefine 2 to be the same as 1, so he can only count to 1 00:20:48 <TrueBrain> lol @ Skyruner2 :) 00:20:49 <qball> I guess goodger worked at the banks in america 00:20:56 <Skyruner2> thatway we could get quite big numbers.. but also less accurate with big numbers :P 00:21:14 <goodger> qball: no, I made a fairly simple mistake 00:21:24 <TrueBrain> a very BASIC mistake 00:21:29 <qball> that's what they said 00:21:29 <TrueBrain> like ... not using your fingers 00:21:39 <goodger> why on earth would I use my fingers? 00:21:54 <TrueBrain> I tihnk goodger needs to re-read the start of this conversation :) 00:21:55 <qball> to not act like a complete ass 00:22:07 <qball> eeuh 00:22:11 <Rubidium> making a mistake isn't bad, but keeping claiming you are right and 4 people are wrong makes you well... 00:22:12 <qball> make a complete ass of thouself 00:22:22 <goodger> I can't add 512, 256, 128, 64, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2 and 1 in my head 00:22:28 <TrueBrain> I can ... 00:22:29 <qball> goodger: no? 00:22:33 <TrueBrain> 512 * 2 - 1 00:22:36 <TrueBrain> ;) 00:22:48 <TrueBrain> I can even do it in hex ... 00:23:05 <TrueBrain> 0x200 * 2 - 1 ;) 00:23:12 <goodger> so I skipped to (2**n-1), making the forgiveable mistake of forgetting that it's actually (2**(n-1)-1) 00:23:26 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: how much is 0x20 - 020? 00:23:29 <Roujin> tadump *dish* 00:23:48 <TrueBrain> goodger: I don't think you can make the disision for us if your mistake is forgivable or not 00:23:51 <TrueBrain> that is kind of rude to claim 00:23:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I have a bot for that :p 00:24:02 <TrueBrain> @base 16 10 20 00:24:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 32 00:24:05 <goodger> ¬.¬ no, it's not 00:24:07 <TrueBrain> @base 8 10 20 00:24:07 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 16 00:24:17 <TrueBrain> @base 10 16 48 00:24:17 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 30 00:24:24 <TrueBrain> @base 10 8 48 00:24:24 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 60 00:24:24 <goodger> claiming you're a smug wanker would be a rude claim. claiming you should forgive my mistake is not 00:24:28 <TrueBrain> so 0x30 or 060 ;) 00:24:33 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> he said -, not + 00:24:50 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: both wrong 00:24:51 <TrueBrain> goodger: no no, you did not claim we SHOULD forgive your mistake, you claimed we HAV ENO CHOICE to forgive your mistake 00:25:01 * TrueBrain feels stupid .... sorry Rubidium :) 00:25:02 <goodger> no, I did not 00:25:08 <TrueBrain> there was a bit of a noise on the line 00:25:10 <goodger> I said the mistake was forgiveable 00:25:18 <qball> TrueBrain: excuses excuses 00:25:18 <TrueBrain> so you made that choice for us? 00:25:27 <goodger> I didn't say "you HAV ENO CHOICE to forgive my mistake" 00:25:27 <TrueBrain> I think we should go to court and see if your mistake is forgiveable :) 00:25:28 <qball> goodger: you where a bit off 00:25:35 <TrueBrain> lol @ qball :) 00:25:43 <Rubidium> but I'll give you 80% of the total points for the answer as the explanation was correct 00:25:46 <goodger> I CBA with this 00:25:55 * TrueBrain hugs Rubidium :) 00:26:08 <goodger> it doesn't _matter_ whether you forgive my mistake or not 00:26:10 <TrueBrain> bit is such a nice word 00:26:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: he only made a sign error, which, unless the complexity of the calculation is changed significantly, warrants only 1 point reduced 00:26:53 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and you could get 5 points for the assignment ... hence the 80% ;) 00:26:54 <TrueBrain> lol 00:27:16 <qball> goodger: you where a bit bitten down forgiveness 00:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, our assignments here typically got 4 points 00:27:25 <TrueBrain> lol :) 00:27:32 <TrueBrain> so you wanted to reduce my score to 75%? 00:27:38 <TrueBrain> what is that for a new years gift :( 00:27:47 <qball> anyway night 00:27:50 <Eddi|zuHause> qball: you mean the verb, which is spelled "were", "where" is a question word 00:27:51 <TrueBrain> night qball 00:27:52 <TrueBrain> sleep well 00:28:21 <TrueBrain> Qball Cow 00:28:24 <TrueBrain> who calls himself a cow? 00:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> when was the habit of "new year gifts" introduced? 00:28:29 <TrueBrain> stupid dutch people ... 00:28:37 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: a minute ago, did you miss it? 00:28:42 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:28:56 <TrueBrain> welcome vraa 00:29:26 <TrueBrain> I wish my IRC client would tell me how long ago it had seen a given user when he/she/it joins ... 00:30:05 <TrueBrain> I wish I had a newzbin invitation .. 00:30:10 <Rubidium> just make a patch and add the appropriate overlay to gentoo 00:30:51 <TrueBrain> writing my own IRC client is still on my todo :) 00:31:02 <TrueBrain> but it requires a rather complex structure to support what I want :) 00:31:14 <qball> TrueBrain: you should let goodger do the bitmasks.. he is good at it 00:31:23 <TrueBrain> qball: now that is lame ;) 00:31:35 <goodger> stfu, qball 00:31:39 <TrueBrain> but lame-encoder is one of th emost used mp3 encoders .. so I take it ;) 00:31:41 <qball> TrueBrain: a bit lame, I agree 00:31:42 <goodger> I've had enough 00:32:18 <TrueBrain> 511 & 0xFF == 511 .... 00:32:19 <qball> TrueBrain: well the mad encoder nicely outputs 28bit data.. so you have 4 bit to spare 00:32:21 <TrueBrain> yeah, it still is funny :) 00:32:56 <TrueBrain> or maybe worse: 00:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74892.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:03 <TrueBrain> 511 & ~0xFF == 0 00:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "complex structure" as in "SELECT quit_time FROM nicks WHERE nickname = ?" 00:33:28 *** Zorn [zorn@e177228022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:33:34 *** Zorn [zorn@e177228022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:33:40 <Roujin> what are you getting at TrueBrain? 00:33:50 <TrueBrain> Roujin: just thinking how goodger thinks 00:34:00 <TrueBrain> 511 fits in 8 bits in the world he painted 00:34:09 <qball> we are still a bit fuzzy on his logic 00:34:12 <TrueBrain> so .. 511 & 0xFF is still 511 :) 00:34:16 <goodger> I don't think like that 00:34:16 <Rubidium> Roujin: the Goodgerian theorem of applied whit mathematics 00:34:21 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: euuh .. okay ... :p 00:34:26 <goodger> I just forgot a tiny part of an equation I haven't used in years 00:34:51 <qball> goodger: that wasn't the problem 00:35:00 <TrueBrain> I wonder what other cool things we can do with that logic 00:35:14 <TrueBrain> at least -255 also fits in 8 bits 00:35:21 <Rubidium> mixing octal and decimal is much more fun than playing with bitmasks 00:35:27 <TrueBrain> I agree 00:35:29 <Rubidium> or hexadecimals 00:35:44 <TrueBrain> well, the question: what is 32 - 020 00:35:48 <TrueBrain> is much more tricky ;) 00:36:04 <Roujin> you mean like, halloween == christmas ? 00:36:13 <Rubidium> Roujin: yes 00:36:26 <Roujin> I like that one ;) 00:36:32 <vraa> sorry my client is acting up 00:36:32 <vraa> my entire computer is acting up 00:36:32 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:36:47 <TrueBrain> at least he had his computer to blame .... ;) 00:36:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that joke does not really work in german 00:37:33 <TrueBrain> ah, Eddi|zuHause, your SQL was a reply to my complaining about IRC :p 00:37:34 <TrueBrain> haha :) 00:37:40 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:40 * TrueBrain is a bit slow in 2009 ;) 00:37:54 <qball> TrueBrain: just a bit? 00:38:07 * Eddi|zuHause presses TrueBrain's "Turbo" button 00:38:13 <Roujin> not 9 bits? 00:39:01 <TrueBrain> no, my own IRC client would not be like any IRC client you know :) It would have a server, where several clients can attach to (I am a lot on the way lately, and I hate to not being able to login from everywhere) .. it would show me the missed lines when I rejoin (with correct times) ... it would give much more info about users .. it would colour lines nicely ... my list is long :p 00:39:04 <TrueBrain> lol @ qball :) 00:39:09 <TrueBrain> qball: you were going to bed, remember? 00:39:11 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: tnx :) 00:39:57 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: so you want something like an advanced bouncer 00:39:59 <qball> TrueBrain: was I? 00:40:08 <qball> TrueBrain: screen +ssh + away does wonders 00:40:09 <TrueBrain> [01:27] <qball> anyway night 00:40:16 <qball> TrueBrain: it is night 00:40:19 <qball> was not lying 00:40:23 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: a very advanced, yes 00:40:44 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to screen+irssi? 00:41:07 <TrueBrain> the fact that I love GUIs, most likely :) 00:41:18 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no clicky stuff 00:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i can understand that argument ;) 00:41:55 <TrueBrain> but okay ... I have the same with my music player 00:42:01 <TrueBrain> same idea, same central redirection 00:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's only that this was the most favourite way of other people that were confronted with the mobility problem 00:42:04 <TrueBrain> also for MSN ... 00:42:10 <TrueBrain> so I guess I just need to build a framework for that ;) 00:42:10 <Rubidium> bitlbee! 00:42:13 <Rubidium> xmms! 00:42:19 <Rubidium> +laptop 00:42:20 <qball> mpd 00:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but... isn't X also network-capable? 00:42:29 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yeah ... but it can be done better in my opinion :) 00:42:38 <TrueBrain> qball: I use mpd ....... it sucks :p 00:42:44 <TrueBrain> (well, it is nice, just the clients sucks :p) 00:42:46 <Rubidium> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 041 041 000 Old_age Always - 26229 00:42:53 <Rubidium> ^ is that good or bad for a laptop? 00:42:57 <qball> TrueBrain: agree they all suck.. there are so many 00:43:00 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol, nice :) 00:43:10 <TrueBrain> jinzora2 is nice .. but it is php :( 00:43:15 <TrueBrain> I want a frontend like songbird! 00:43:33 <qball> aah build on a browser 00:43:41 <TrueBrain> xulrunner is nice :) 00:43:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D3D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:52 <TrueBrain> but okay: a frontend like iTunes, for all I care :p 00:44:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I now use NoMachine's NX server/client model 00:44:19 <TrueBrain> works pretty nice ... just not portable to my iPhone :) 00:44:28 <qball> http://images.sarine.nl/gmpc-improved-art.png 00:44:31 <qball> use this one 00:45:10 <TrueBrain> lol, I made my candle go all crazy again :p 00:45:18 <TrueBrain> when I blow in it to put it out ... flames reached top-level again .. 00:45:19 <TrueBrain> haha 00:45:23 <TrueBrain> I should stop doing that ... 00:45:40 <TrueBrain> (it got so hot, that the parafine became gas-like .... hehehehe) 00:45:59 <qball> :/ 00:46:14 <qball> venhuizen? 00:46:16 <TrueBrain> qball: well, at least that looks nice .. url? 00:46:46 <TrueBrain> haha, no, not venhuizen 00:46:47 <Skyruner2> can i send a debug string to the ottd console? 00:46:47 <TrueBrain> lol 00:46:58 <qball> TrueBrain: thx.. I wrote that 00:47:02 <Skyruner2> ah i can live debug in VS :) nm 00:47:05 <qball> TrueBrain: gmpcwiki.sarine.nl 00:47:31 <qball> http://images.sarine.nl/gmpc-macosX.png 00:48:14 <qball> http://images.sarine.nl/gmpc-windowsxp3.png 00:49:31 <qball> sonata is a decent gui aswell 00:50:23 <TrueBrain> lol, libmpd is part of the gmpc project I gather? :p 00:50:41 <thingwath> good old muine :| 00:51:05 <qball> TrueBrain: yeah .. 00:51:39 <TrueBrain> plugins are slightly fuzzy .... 00:51:53 <TrueBrain> (well, the representation of them, as in: the download dir shows them, but wtf?) 00:52:08 <qball> yeah I know 00:52:14 <qball> I hate website stuff 00:53:30 <qball> what distro do you use? 00:53:31 <qball> entoy 00:53:33 <qball> gentoy 00:53:35 <TrueBrain> Gentoo 00:53:48 <qball> there is a overlay for mpd 00:53:51 <qball> that package it 00:54:54 <TrueBrain> doesn't install any plugins :p 00:54:58 <qball> anyway, I am going to sleep. 00:55:05 <qball> you can get the plugins from there 00:55:14 <TrueBrain> but you hav eno idea what they do ;) 00:55:15 <TrueBrain> haha :) 00:55:38 <qball> coveramazon, last.fm and lyricwiki are nice to have (take care of covers, artist images, similar artist, similar songs and lyrics 00:55:38 <TrueBrain> 17MiB of memory (RSS) and 200 MiB of virtual ... 00:55:47 <TrueBrain> well, on average not bad ;) 00:56:02 <qball> hmm it scales to 1.000.000 songs 00:56:05 <TrueBrain> I have covers!! But I doubt mpd knows about that ... 00:56:24 <qball> http://images.sarine.nl/gmpc-1000000songs.png 00:56:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14791 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): -Add: the ability to make ISO dates with the string system (PhilSophus) 00:56:41 <qball> mdcover can grab them from music directory if you have access to it 00:56:44 <TrueBrain> well, it is one of the better clients I have seen so far ;) 00:57:01 <qball> beside mpc also the oldest 00:57:28 <qball> got 0.17.0? 00:57:29 <TrueBrain> but okay, bedtime for me .. 00:57:29 <TrueBrain> night all! 00:57:32 <TrueBrain> yup 00:57:35 <qball> good 00:57:42 <TrueBrain> tnx for the tip qball ;) 00:58:03 <thingwath> hm, someone should finally invent some global music metadata collection 00:58:20 <TrueBrain> thingwath: there are enough of those ... 00:58:27 <TrueBrain> musicbrainz being the biggest I think 00:58:35 <qball> some are a bit off though 00:58:42 <thingwath> global as in same for amarok, banshee, gmpc, rhythmbox, whatever :-) 00:58:55 <thingwath> I don't like importing all the files again and again just to try one music player. 00:59:00 <qball> thingwath: they are working on an xdg client 00:59:00 <TrueBrain> we ar enot Microsoft .. 00:59:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14792 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: make the date format for default savegame/screenshot names configurable 00:59:14 <TrueBrain> but okay: good night all :) 00:59:15 <qball> xdg standard for metadata 00:59:19 <qball> idd 01:00:13 <thingwath> well, it wouldn't work, most likely, the music players are probably too different 01:00:23 <thingwath> So sad. 01:01:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14793 /trunk/src/lang/ (40 files): -Update (r14792): replace a string parameter in the other languages too 01:03:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:03:55 <thingwath> but it's sad, I used amarok 1 for two or three years, there are statistics, lyrics, cover arts... many of them manually found and set... and there is no easy way to keep this, when I don't want to use amarok anymore :/ 01:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> they are stored in a database, you can just read them out 01:08:56 <goodger> thingwath: that's the same with everything... 01:09:09 <thingwath> easy way :) 01:09:14 <goodger> the in-mp3 tags are woefully inadequate 01:10:06 <thingwath> music players metadata too, sometimes 01:10:10 *** luddek [~luddek@c-12cae455.610-106-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: luddek] 01:14:23 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:29 *** vraa [~vraa@h240.228.29.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:17:30 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h137.165.30.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:48 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. 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OK? THX very much. 05:57:04 *** darks [~darks@64.55.144.23] has quit [Quit: darks] 06:05:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:25:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.13] has joined #openttd 06:30:18 <Moodles> is it possible to plan track layout (but not lay the track obviously) while paused, im learning the game again 06:31:11 <goodger> Moodles: no. 06:31:27 <goodger> sorry 06:31:42 <goodger> that, again, I think, is in the pipeline.. 06:38:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Moodles: there is a "build while paused" cheat, though 06:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... have i ever mentioned how beautiful snow is? 06:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> ... as long as you are on the inside ... 06:41:59 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: we will have some snow on monday perhaps 06:42:41 <goodger> the entire professional population of Greater London will complain bitterly about it because their commute will be delayed perhaps thirty seconds 06:43:29 <goodger> the country's train networks will grind to a halt, and a year's supply of road salt will be expended in two hours 06:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds better than snow in rome ;) 06:46:17 <goodger> "they always say it is the wrong sort of snow; our trains are brand-new, shiny machines that apparently cannot tolerate the slightest scattering of snow because it is the 'wrong sort'. in the soviet union, they have horrible clanking things that survive three-foot drifts covering the tracks in temperatures theoretically too low for humans to survive; we should import some of _that_ type of snow..." 06:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> what soviet union? 06:51:28 <goodger> that book predates me slightly, and hence the breakup of the soviet union 06:51:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80AD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:37 <goodger> I think 06:51:43 <goodger> or maybe it was an alternate-universe type thing 06:53:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B814FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 06:53:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:09:45 <Moodles> wierd just about every transport company wanted me to buy them for 2 each 07:09:46 <Moodles> 07:10:18 <goodger> yes, that's because they will go bankrupt if you don't buy them 07:10:50 <Moodles> 1m worth of planes for free 07:11:24 <Moodles> easy way to repay my loans i guess 07:11:29 <goodger> plus $lots of bank loans that you will have to pay back 07:11:39 <goodger> plus the continued losses that their routes are making 07:11:50 <goodger> (unless you asset-strip) 07:11:59 <Moodles> thats why im sending their vehicles back to service depot so i can sell them 07:12:20 <goodger> ok... what about the bank loans? 07:12:37 <Moodles> looks like i didnt get their bank depts 07:12:59 <goodger> oh good. 07:13:05 <goodger> enjoy your asset-stripping, then 07:13:20 <Moodles> i never got asset stripping when i played with 0.5.x 07:14:01 <goodger> probably those companies were profitable? 07:14:18 <goodger> the ability to asset-strip has been in ottd practically forever 07:15:22 <Moodles> im playing single player at the moment, ive made industry very low, mountains, very rough terrain.. but still seems too easy 07:16:35 <Moodles> need to find more ways to challenge myself 07:18:57 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:19:00 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 07:23:06 <Moodles> raised sea level to max, this should make things alittle more interesting 07:23:27 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 07:29:32 <Alberth> Moodles: increase cost of terrain modifying 07:31:23 <Alberth> On the other hand, making it so difficult that you cannot play any more is almost impossible, maybe you should set another goal, like connect all cities, or connect all industries, or so. 07:31:30 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:40:23 <Alberth> Playing with cargodest is also a good challenge; suddenly the cargo decides where it wants to go to :) 07:43:44 *** enra [~enra@203-206-127-131.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:44:19 <enra> hi all. have a quick question for anyone that's around 07:44:41 <enra> where can i get a copy of "total town replacement set 2" 07:57:55 <Rubidium> tried grfcrawler? 08:02:25 <Moodles> ive noticed on hard, the ai doesnt do trains like it did with my old 0.5.x install.. only sem to do plane routes 08:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't played with AI for a decade 08:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause> or more... 08:08:13 <enra> yeah - grf crawler only has set 3 08:08:22 <enra> set 3 needs set 2 installed 08:08:49 <Rubidium> that's odd 08:08:59 <Rubidium> as for me it doesn't need version 3 08:09:55 <Rubidium> uhm... version 2 ofcourse ;) 08:10:00 <enra> it doesn't? the website says it does 08:10:23 <Rubidium> what website says it where? 08:12:27 <enra> oh - never mind - major blond moment there - the website refers to TTD - not OTTD 08:12:46 <enra> i just realised after reading it a few dozen times lol 08:20:15 <Jerimiah40> lol, I've made that exact mistake : 08:21:07 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: the AI is a useful source of profit --- just buy up the profitable competitors... 08:22:52 <petern> uh 08:23:19 <petern> the AI is a 'useful' source of annoying road, annoying track, annoying terraforming, and annoying bulldozing of towns... 08:23:42 <Moodles> AI used to compete with my heavily for coal routes 08:23:46 <Moodles> *me 08:24:00 <goodger> it doesn't usually terraform or bulldoze towns for me... 08:24:22 <goodger> and once you've bought them, you can easily remove the roads and tracks that are actually annoying 08:24:35 <petern> it doesn't if you play on flat maps 08:27:47 *** WhiteRino [White@modem170.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:53 <WhiteRino> Ah, there we go. 08:28:11 *** WhiteRino is now known as WhiteRhino 08:28:33 *** WhiteRhino is now known as AmanoJaku 08:28:46 *** AmanoJaku is now known as WhiteRhino 08:29:23 <petern> We do? 08:29:32 <goodger> apparently. 08:29:54 <WhiteRhino> I'm new to this IRC stuff, don't mind my ramblings. 08:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i go to sleep 08:34:22 <George> Eddi|zuHause: [05:27:19] <Eddi|zuHause> and you should suggest George to put a better understandable error message for people who are playing 0.6 and never heard of nightlies before 08:34:26 <George> What text? 08:34:50 <Eddi|zuHause> George: error message when ECS is loaded in too old version of openttd 08:35:27 <George> I know what we a speaking about. I meant what text to put there? 08:35:57 <George> 5 * 11 0B 83 7F 06 "r14569" 00 08:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> when someone tries to load ECS beta 5 in openttd 0.6, it is not very useful to tell him "needs rXXXXX", as that person most likely has not heard of revisions, trunk or nightlies before 08:36:48 <George> I understand what you do not like. I ask what to put instaed? 08:37:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the only reasonable thing that i can imagine would be "0.7" 08:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> even if that is not out yet 08:37:24 <Rubidium> 0.7 (rXXXXX) ? 08:37:28 <George> Wouldn't it be more confusing? 08:38:46 <George> Eddi|zuHause: P.S. Good morning :) 08:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i was awake the whole night... 08:39:25 <goodger> me too... 08:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> huge, probably carreer deciding, deadline in 2 weeks... 08:39:46 <goodger> :S 08:39:50 <George> Yes, new year hollidays moves the night time :) 08:39:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and the probability for an extension is like 0,2% 08:41:19 <George> ops. And wee have holidays here! 10 days of holidays! 08:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but holidays don't help if the thing has to be done... 08:41:41 <WhiteRhino> If I might ask, what's the difference between the Stable and Nightly downloads? 08:42:15 <Eddi|zuHause> well, nightlies are development builds 08:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause> they undergo less testing, and might contain serious bugs 08:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or not work at all 08:42:41 <WhiteRhino> So stick to the Stable one, really? 08:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they are fine usually 08:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's not guaranteed to stay that way 08:43:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: tell that the people who trashed their savegame with articulated vehicles 08:44:53 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:22 <George> Eddi|zuHause, Rubidium: so, you think 0.7 (rXXXXX) would be ok for the user, who uses stable version? And if you'd realise v0.6.4, they would not work? 08:47:25 <Eddi|zuHause> people who do not follow the development process should most likely stick to the stable. stable builds are also more useful in multiplayer 08:48:09 <Eddi|zuHause> George: if you did the check correctly, it should not load in 0.6.4 08:48:10 <WhiteRhino> Second question: I lost my TTD disk (it was the DOS one anyway), and torrented TTD tonight.. but the only one I could find of decent size was already patched with some other, non-OpenTTD thing. Is that potentially going to be a problem? 08:48:26 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause> George: the features that you need from the nightlies are with 99,9% probability not going to be in any possible future 0.6.x release 08:48:58 <Rubidium> you could also wait for the next stable release when releasing your NewGRFs, like mb seems to be doing 08:50:13 <WhiteRhino> Ah, the one I got has TTDPatch with it. 08:50:48 <Rubidium> you could also check whether someone's playing a non-stable and give a different error message, though I wouldn't know what error message 08:50:51 <George> Eddi|zuHause: Does a feature list for 0.6.4 documented anywhere? 08:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> WhiteRhino: a) we do not endorse illegal downloads, b) it should be fine, you only need the data files 08:51:18 <Eddi|zuHause> George: 0.6.x builds only get bugfixes 08:51:22 <WhiteRhino> Ah, sorry. 08:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause> c) you could have just looked in the forums ;p 08:52:42 <WhiteRhino> Ah.. thought the IRC channel was more the place to ask questions. Is it meant more for development stuff..? 08:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the IRC channel is fine for asking questions, but most of them have been answered in the forum before 08:54:49 <WhiteRhino> I was more hoping to hang around other people who play TTD. Promise I'll keep my questions to a minimum. =P 08:55:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that was not what i meant 09:09:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host105-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:11:55 <Wolf01> hello 09:12:03 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:25 <WhiteRhino> Just downloaded OpenTTD, joining a game to watch. =D 09:20:21 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.223] has joined #openttd 09:28:47 * goodger wonders whether Wolf01 will say anything today, or merely leave 09:28:48 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:28:55 <goodger> "taking all bets!" 09:29:05 <WhiteRhino> He said hello already. *points* 09:30:10 <goodger> WhiteRhino: wolf01 is famed for saying "hello", prior to an eighteen-hour silence, at which point he says "bye" or something like it, before immediately departing 09:31:44 <WhiteRhino> Ahh, that I didn't know. 09:32:16 <petern> at least he has 10 fingers 09:32:18 <petern> well, i assume 09:32:23 <goodger> yes, hence why I pointed it out 09:32:37 <petern> on the other hand (hah) some people do have more than 10... 09:32:37 <WhiteRhino> Bah. First I find a game on a huge map that's perpetually paused, then I find a game that's unpaused but only has one person playing on it. 09:32:49 <goodger> :) 09:32:55 <WhiteRhino> People with more than ten fingers are called Psychlos. =D 09:33:10 <yorick> you are getting the spam in, be careful 09:34:02 <WhiteRhino> Keep something radioactive on your person; it'll explode their breathe-gas. Yorick: You mean me? 09:34:35 <yorick> yes 09:34:44 <goodger> breathe... gas..? wha... 09:35:02 <WhiteRhino> Somebody needs to read Battlefield: Earth. =P 09:35:13 <yorick> you're getting the "oh, then just visit that server ending with @clanmega.warlink.eu" kind of messages in 09:35:22 <Rubidium> WhiteRhino: at the moment there are about twice as many servers as clients and seldomly the number of clients exceeds the number of servers 09:35:29 <Rubidium> so... good luck finding an active game 09:35:45 <petern> /kick yorick spam! 09:35:51 <yorick> try Kurts hard goal, 8 clients 09:35:56 <WhiteRhino> Ahh.. didn't mean to spam either. I haven't played this game in years, I'm a little giddy. >.> 09:36:38 <yorick> http://www.openttd.org/servers ;) 09:37:22 <petern> hmm, i could try playing a game for once 09:38:18 <WhiteRhino> Have to find a game that's a good mix of people and whatever you'd call "not making my dialup connection weep." 09:38:45 <yorick> you? dailup? 09:38:52 <yorick> :D 09:39:36 <yorick> just "don't" play mp with dailup :) 09:39:41 <WhiteRhino> Yes, yes, dialup. The dunce-cap of the internet. 09:39:52 <yorick> "don't" even use dailup 09:40:00 <yorick> dailup is evil 09:40:05 <petern> darks: that's because we don't support SDL on OSX 09:40:11 <WhiteRhino> Carrier pidgeons don't support AIM. =) 09:40:22 <yorick> use fiber ;) 09:40:29 <darks> petern: ........ 09:40:36 <WhiteRhino> Ew. o.o 09:40:42 <yorick> isn't sdl made for cross-compatibility? 09:40:52 <yorick> WhiteRhino: adsl? 09:41:05 <petern> actually it's because you don't have strndup, heh 09:41:30 <petern> yorick, yeah, but our OSX porter believes it doesn't work properly on OSX. 09:41:45 <yorick> your OSX porter is Bjarni, right? 09:41:51 <WhiteRhino> Where I live doesn't support anything but cable, and that's freakin' expensive. 09:41:56 <darks> petern: so which func is similar to strndup? 09:42:27 <darks> yorick: but it's longtime no see Bjarni.... 09:42:47 <yorick> any of you actually believes bjarni? 09:43:50 <yorick> left-click scrolling looks laggy :o 09:43:55 <petern> darks, i don't know 09:44:06 <yorick> maybe the pointer should hide, so that you don't see it 09:44:17 <darks> yorick: you are a osx user too? 09:44:22 <yorick> no 09:44:51 <yorick> fortunatly not 09:45:04 <darks> hehe 09:45:13 <petern> sounds like something is defining _GNU_SOURCE when it shouldn't 10:00:51 <darks> petern: add a func in string_func.h seems to pass the ini.cpp compiling. I don't know whether can run or not 10:01:39 <darks> petern: it's 6pm here now. I have to go to supper now.see you later. 10:02:32 <Rubidium> darks, as petern already said: it's SDL that's flawed 10:03:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E256.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:53 <petern> is SDL defining _GNU_SOURCE? 10:05:58 <WhiteRhino> Finally decide to hop on and start playing and it'd bedtime. See you folks tomorrow maybe. 10:06:07 <goodger> night 10:06:11 <Rubidium> petern: likely, as it does for MINGW (see stdafx.h) 10:06:20 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 10:06:25 <petern> bwahaha 10:06:30 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem170.tmlp.net] has quit [] 10:07:10 <yorick> there is no such thing as RotateTrackBits? 10:12:25 <OsteHovel^EEE> my pc compiles openttd so SLOWLY... 10:12:37 <yorick> openttd is big 10:12:54 <Rubidium> petern: do a sdl-config --cflags and you'll see 10:13:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B814FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:35 <OsteHovel^EEE> I like the svn version so i compile it on my linux pc then i compile the windows version there too becouse i use dedicated server and windows as a client.... maybe i can setup distcc to get it to compile faster... 10:14:29 <yorick> http://openttd.edeca.net/hg/copypaste/file/f73d228e0e45/src/copy_paste.cpp#l1124 <-- does that line look readable and trunkable? 10:15:40 <petern> no 10:16:02 <yorick> readable or trunkable? 10:18:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:18:43 <Alberth> Rubidium, about FS#2322: current trunk doesn't merge any more. I re-did the patches against current trunk in a fresh hg repo. Bundle is at http://e.imagehost.org/download/0041/fs2322bundle 10:19:52 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 10:20:59 <Alberth> Apparently, previous time I f**ked up at patch 44_draw_row_counting.patch, fixed that. 10:21:48 <Alberth> interested in a small apply_patches shell script? :) 10:25:41 <Rubidium> already got a version of that, but for committing stuff 10:30:20 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 10:33:07 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.124] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:04 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14794 /trunk/src/ (settings_gui.cpp window.cpp): -Document: a few functions/variables (Alberth) 10:54:02 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14795 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: replace a magic number with a constant (Alberth) 10:56:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14796 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Fix: if using variable, use it everywhere instead of hardcoding it's value sometimes (Alberth) 11:00:51 <petern> hah 11:00:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14797 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: replace even more magic numbers with constants (Alberth) 11:04:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14798 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move variable declaration to first use of variable (Alberth) 11:04:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:07:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14799 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move drawing a single settings entry to it's own function (Alberth) 11:11:13 *** darks [~darks@124.161.79.223] has quit [Quit: darks] 11:12:02 <Alberth> Hmm, installing a vector drawing program, and getting a spellings checker thrown in as well. What are these installers thinking? 11:12:54 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 11:13:36 <qball> Alberth: you can't have typo's in your object names 11:13:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:13:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:14:08 <Rubidium> qball: then install a grammar checker too, especially for IRC 11:14:31 <qball> Rubidium: the last one I installed committed suicide. 11:14:56 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:17:57 <edeca> omg; haha, y r u instalin' chequers? 11:18:06 <edeca> Yes, grammar checking should be compulsory 11:19:52 <Alberth> And they forget to install some fonts, so the program refuses to add text to my pictures. Argh! 11:23:16 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:18 <George> Rubidium: how to install grammar checker for IRC? (I have KVirc) 11:24:38 <Rubidium> George: I don't know 11:24:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14800 /trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the advanced settings window resizeable and scrollable (most by Alberth) 11:29:45 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:13 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:32 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [] 11:51:10 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: http://www.fastformat.org/ <- might contain useful code for strgen ;) (hehe :)) 11:52:39 <qball> hey TrueBrain 11:53:41 <TrueBrain> I wonder where to put those gmpc plugins .. 11:54:06 <TrueBrain> morning to you too qball 11:54:09 <qball> compile and install 11:54:13 <qball> C plugins. 11:54:18 <qball> anway use the overlay 11:54:57 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 11:58:35 <petern> bah 11:58:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FB5B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:58:39 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:41 <yorick> now that the settings window is resizable, shouldn't the strings be truncated? 11:58:51 <TrueBrain> hello to you too petern :) 11:59:20 <yorick> and the tabs be nicely inline if it's big enough? 11:59:27 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: tried to find out how to do strgen stuff with that? 11:59:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I didn't say that ;) I said it could contain useful code :) 11:59:56 <TrueBrain> it is one of the fastest string-replacements out there :) 12:00:38 <Rubidium> strgen isn't a speed problem for OpenTTD though 12:00:48 <TrueBrain> true; still it might contain useful code :) 12:02:13 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 12:05:08 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:05:33 <qball> TrueBrain: reading freshmeat/ 12:05:33 <TrueBrain> k, enough toying around ... time to do some serious work :) 12:05:40 <TrueBrain> qball: as always ;) 12:05:41 * qball starts openttd 12:05:50 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: any idea when you will have additional time for NAIL? 12:10:58 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I fear that won't be before I finished my thesis :(; I'm in the process of committing some user patches to trunk and then I most likely won't be doing much there either 12:11:12 <TrueBrain> too bad :) 12:11:21 <TrueBrain> How is your thesis going? ;) 12:11:46 <Rubidium> have to start with it next week 12:11:55 <TrueBrain> about what? :) 12:12:30 <Rubidium> most likely some implementation issue with aspect oriented programming; I'm not 100% sure at the moment 12:12:39 <TrueBrain> well .. good luck :) 12:13:17 <Rubidium> thank you 12:13:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:14:40 <petern> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=754301#p754301 12:15:56 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 12:17:08 <Rubidium> petern: would interesting to plot TTDP's realistic acceleration too 12:17:29 <petern> it wouldn't be much different :) 12:17:32 <petern> but yes, i could do that 12:18:08 <petern> hmm 12:18:15 <Rubidium> what's the meaning of each of the lines though? 12:18:26 <petern> oh ,whoops 12:18:34 <petern> that was external to the images :D 12:18:47 <SmatZ> :-) 12:19:11 <petern> green is tractive effort from the engine, red is resistance, and blue is effective tractive effort 12:19:39 <petern> what i can see is that ottd's formula is too dependent on mass 12:19:57 <petern> so that magic constant can just be turned down a bit 12:20:42 <petern> if i increase the mass by an order of magnitude, the maximum attainable speed drops by less than 5 m/s 12:20:58 <petern> in ottd it drops by 35 m/s 12:21:06 <petern> this is the bit that kudr was complaining about 12:21:32 <petern> the blue line is divided by mass to get the acceleration 12:21:46 <petern> there's no point showing it on the graph as mass is constant, so it follows the blue line exactly 12:22:18 <petern> so that means a heavier vehicle can get up to almost the same speed, but it will take longer to do so 12:22:23 <petern> which, to me, sounds correct. 12:23:39 <Zuu> hmm, having OpenTTD on highlight in #openttd is not such a good idea :p 12:23:54 <TrueBrain> lol @ Zuu 12:24:08 <goodger> really strange thing --- I agree with you 12:24:35 <Zuu> Well I had "OpenTTD Auto Update" on highlight but the client decided to interpret that as three different words. 12:26:46 <goodger> I have just done something equally stupid 12:26:56 <qball> a bit stupid? 12:27:13 <goodger> I found my Examination Statement of Entry, after looking for it for about 15 minutes 12:27:26 <goodger> I found it on the wall, where I had carefully placed it to avoid losing it 12:27:37 <TrueBrain> lol @ qball :) 12:28:05 <petern> heh 12:31:08 * yorick updates openttd 12:34:19 *** Splex [~splex@116.127.150.150] has joined #openttd 12:45:34 <petern> here we go, it works now... 12:45:36 <petern> http://iis.fuzzle.org/default.aspx 12:46:48 <petern> hmm, not quite right :o 12:47:55 <petern> oh, yes it is, i just put the values in wrong, hah 12:49:34 * SmatZ likes charts :) 12:50:08 <TrueBrain> hello SmatZ :) 12:50:42 <petern> heh 12:50:56 <petern> if you put a very high mass in, you can see ottd's kick off looking very odd :) 12:51:08 <SmatZ> hello TrueBrain :) 12:51:11 <petern> especially up a slope 12:51:18 <petern> put 0.03 in for ottd's slopes 12:51:37 <petern> that's another thing, ttdpatch uses 5% not 3% for slopes 12:52:08 <petern> which makes a huge difference 12:52:18 <qball> 2% 12:52:46 <petern> visually they are 50% ;) 12:52:46 <TrueBrain> 10 / 10000 / 10000 / 0.03 <- that gives a nice OTTD graphs :) 12:53:03 <petern> lol 12:53:42 <petern> 10kN TE is pretty tricky with 10kg mass... 12:53:50 <TrueBrain> ;) 12:53:59 <TrueBrain> still .. it goes all red and blue :p 12:54:06 <petern> yeah 12:56:22 <TrueBrain> I forgot to bring my DVI cable ... now I am down to one screen .. bleh :( 12:56:23 <TrueBrain> oh well 12:56:58 <petern> right, i shall add ttdpatch's model 12:57:07 <petern> and possibly original... 12:57:18 <petern> which kudr said was the most realistic, hahah 12:57:36 <TrueBrain> LOL! 12:57:39 <TrueBrain> he really said that? :) 12:57:40 <qball> original is annoying to play 12:57:42 <petern> yes 12:57:47 <TrueBrain> how silly :) 12:57:51 <qball> the train come to a emergency halt on all up slopes 12:58:25 <petern> actually i won't model it because it doesn't use any values like that 12:58:38 <petern> it's just power/mass..., so... 12:58:57 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:00:43 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:14:26 <joachim> hmm 13:14:50 <joachim> expanding is really hard with cargodest 13:17:01 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:35 <TrueBrain> that is the idea ;) 13:17:49 <joachim> yup 13:18:49 <joachim> but having smaller stations far out in the network doesn't seem to work well 13:19:19 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 13:19:28 <qball> not cashing in by transporting coal from one corner to the other 13:20:45 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14801 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: don't reference Vehicle::num_orders directly but through a method GetNumOrders() (PhilSophus) 13:21:29 <joachim> im just doing pax/mail for now 13:22:35 <qball> cool if I connect to cibbex1 my openttd locks up hard 13:22:39 <qball> can only killall -9 13:23:22 <qball> [EN/NL] Cibbet 1 13:24:56 *** Splex [~splex@116.127.150.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14802 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt saveload.cpp): -Fix [FS#2490]: "(undefined string)" in default savegame/screenshot names when there's no company in the game. 13:30:34 <petern> someone's on a spree today 13:36:31 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.21.43.176] has joined #openttd 13:36:41 <insulfrog> hi all 13:38:44 *** Zorn [zorn@e177230019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:40:31 <TrueBrain> hello insulfrog 13:42:42 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 13:45:43 *** Zorni [zorn@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:46:08 <TrueBrain> morning glx 13:47:36 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 13:49:07 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:50:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-228-220.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14803 /trunk/src/ (12 files): -Codechange: move order list management into it's own class and remove the order count from the savegame as we can easily count that (PhilSophus) 13:53:08 <petern> its! 13:53:35 * petern puts a max rated speed line in 13:53:52 <petern> rated -> operational 13:55:02 * Rubidium blames the English for inconsistency 13:59:21 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14804 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify opening the OSK (Zuu) 13:59:44 <Zuu> Rubidium: Thanks 14:00:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:03:28 *** insulfrog3 [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 14:03:31 *** insulfrog3 [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 14:03:38 *** insulfrog3 [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has joined #openttd 14:03:53 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.21.43.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:16 *** insulfrog3 is now known as insulfrog 14:04:44 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:51 <petern> we ought to increase slopes.... 14:12:06 <petern> 3% is a lot, but not when only a 1/5th of a train is on it 14:12:10 <insulfrog> I have a bit of a question, in the latest ttdpatch nightly, I am having trouble making this GRF from here -> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=634134#p634134 work. I have put the GRF in the 'Newgrf' folder but there is an extra PCX file called 'jsignals_2.pcx' with a jsignals.nfo (which can't be read for some reason). Where do I put this 'jsignals_2.pcx'? 14:12:37 <TrueBrain> channel name: #openttd 14:12:41 <TrueBrain> question related to: ttdpatch 14:12:44 <TrueBrain> doesn't feel right ... 14:12:53 <petern> you don't need those pcx and nfo files, they're just the source of the grf 14:12:59 <insulfrog> ah 14:13:56 <insulfrog> Also, have I put the 'jsignals.grf' in the right area? 14:14:14 <petern> that i don't know 14:14:19 <petern> did you add it to your newgrf.cfg? 14:14:29 * insulfrog checks 14:14:50 <insulfrog> yes 14:16:31 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14805 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: -Feature [FS#2238]: pressing CTRL while dragging to build a bridge build the last built bridge type if possible (planetmaker) 14:17:07 <petern> did you enable whatever patch options are needed for that feature? 14:17:35 <Rubidium> are there patch options for that? 14:18:48 <petern> there're patch options for everything... 14:20:39 <insulfrog> I believe its part of the 'experimentalfeatures.signalgui' setting (which is on) 14:21:28 <Rubidium> ah... you didn't reply on my commit... then your statements makes a lot more sense 14:22:55 <petern> heh, no 14:23:00 <insulfrog> hmm, does this option -> 'newsignals=on' has anything to do with the problem? 14:23:19 <petern> insulfrog, okay, then i don't know anything more. best off asking ttdpatch people 14:24:11 <insulfrog> is there a seperate IRC channel for ttdpatch or just post the question in the forums? 14:24:45 <petern> there's #tycoon but it's not very often on topic 14:24:48 <petern> best off in the forums 14:25:12 <insulfrog> ok :) 14:28:09 <TrueBrain> bleh, you can't write at a random place in a file when opening with mode "ab"? :s 14:29:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:17 *** Zorn [zorn@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:27 *** Zorn [zorn@e177230019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:33:09 <TrueBrain> so you can't append to a file while keeping the ability to walk through the file .. how lovely :s 14:33:26 *** Splex [~splex@116.127.150.150] has joined #openttd 14:34:09 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: "r+" ? 14:34:15 <Alberth> TrueBrain: well, you can't write at any place if you specified you wanted to append :) Maybe use 'w+b' instead (iirc) 14:34:57 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: then you can't write at the end of the file 14:35:06 <TrueBrain> Alberth: "w+" truncates file 14:35:09 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:35:20 <TrueBrain> "wa" does seem to work .. (but is not really POSIX) 14:35:58 <TrueBrain> hmm .. no, "wa" also truncates 14:36:40 <TrueBrain> weird shit ..... with no clear reason why this is not allowed :( 14:36:52 <SmatZ> can you use open() instead? 14:38:56 <TrueBrain> I can at least try .. 14:40:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-249-226.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:40:49 <Alberth> TrueBrain: "rwb" does not truncate 14:41:22 <Alberth> but you have to move the write pointer to the end yourself :) 14:41:52 <TrueBrain> segfaults .. 14:43:00 <Alberth> not here. Unfortunately I have no copy of K&R here :( 14:43:02 <TrueBrain> ah, the return value in that case is always NULL ;) 14:43:37 <TrueBrain> k, fixed that ... but no appending possible 14:43:45 <TrueBrain> you can only write within the segment that is already there 14:44:01 <Alberth> fseek to end, and write (usually) 14:44:49 <TrueBrain> doesn't help :) 14:44:56 <TrueBrain> (as that was already there) 14:45:27 <TrueBrain> ftell(), fwrite(), ftell() 14:45:34 <TrueBrain> first and last ftell give same value 14:45:35 <TrueBrain> ;) 14:46:08 <Alberth> I really need K&R :) ok, "rw+b" works here 14:46:18 <TrueBrain> that indeed does 14:46:20 <TrueBrain> not "rwb" 14:46:27 <TrueBrain> so you didn't really tested it before you told me it works ;) 14:46:55 <Alberth> I tested whether you could write in the file ;) 14:48:12 <TrueBrain> k, tnx, appears to work :) 14:48:15 <TrueBrain> silly fopen :( 14:48:21 <SmatZ> "rwb" as well as "rw+b" has undefined behaviour 14:48:32 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: it indeed is far from POSIX ;) 14:49:51 <insulfrog> hmm, I'm not sure what I've done but the problem I had is now fixed :) 14:49:53 <petern> i find it amusing that it accepts those parameters as an array of chars instead of bit flags... 14:50:11 <TrueBrain> I agree with petern :) 14:50:35 <petern> and i am attempting to unravel ttdpatch's acceleration code 14:50:51 <petern> asm is not nice :p 14:51:20 <Alberth> petern: they were bit flags in open(), and they are again in ofstream 14:51:35 *** vraa [~vraa@h127.188.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Checking whether build environment is sane ... build environment is grinning and holding a spatula. Guess not.] 14:56:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:57:14 <TrueBrain> yeah, now I have files with border-coordinates of all countries ..... now I need to overlay that on the maps .. pff ... :p 14:57:35 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: http://paste.openttd.org/178411 works very fine... if tst.txt exists 14:58:26 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: let me try .. 14:58:35 <TrueBrain> when trying that, I forgot to check if the result was NULL, so it segfaulted on that :) 14:58:59 <TrueBrain> (which made me think it failed on tthe first one ;)) 14:59:19 <SmatZ> :) 14:59:41 <TrueBrain> yup, works :) 14:59:42 <TrueBrain> tnx! 14:59:50 <SmatZ> you are welcome :) 15:00:24 <SmatZ> http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG14/www/docs/n1256.pdf ;-) 15:00:54 <SmatZ> C99 draft 15:01:56 <petern> ah, ttdpatch uses kN/256 15:02:10 <petern> so i need to multiply by s.omething silly to get N 15:02:57 <goodger> 0.256 15:03:26 <petern> is that like your eleventh finger? 15:03:39 <goodger> no, that's simple algebra 15:03:41 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14806 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix: MarkAllViewportsDirty() didn't mark dirty whole area when zoomed out, visible by aircraft leaving trails sometimes 15:03:49 <TrueBrain> I think he is a bit off again 15:03:52 <petern> he is :) 15:04:06 <SmatZ> @calc 1/256 15:04:06 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 0.00390625 15:04:19 <SmatZ> ar.... 15:04:22 * SmatZ hides 15:04:28 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I should get some dinner .. but it is freezing outside ... 15:04:30 <petern> @calc 1000/256 to get N 15:04:30 <DorpsGek> petern: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 15:04:32 <petern> er 15:04:34 <petern> yeah :p 15:04:38 <petern> @calc 1000/256 15:04:38 <DorpsGek> petern: 3.90625 15:04:41 <petern> to get to N 15:04:43 <goodger> if Y = 1000X/256, then X = Y*256/1000 = 0.256Y 15:05:34 <TrueBrain> goodger's math is fundumantally flawed ... 15:05:36 <TrueBrain> good to know 15:05:41 <TrueBrain> last night was not a random mistake :) 15:06:11 <goodger> sorry, what part of that is wrong? 15:06:32 <goodger> I just applied the basic algebra I learned aged eleven 15:06:43 <TrueBrain> nuff said 15:07:19 <goodger> ¬.¬ 15:07:24 <goodger> I'm just not going to talk in here any more 15:07:34 <TrueBrain> that might be better for your ego, yes 15:07:58 <SmatZ> 1 unit = 1000N / 256 = 0.256 N ... so 1 N = 1 unit / 0.256 15:08:01 <petern> goodger, google 15:08:07 <SmatZ> now I am as bad as goodger :-x 15:08:13 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: yup :p 15:08:13 <petern> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kN/256+to+N 15:08:27 <SmatZ> @calc 1/0.256 15:08:27 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 3.90625 15:08:34 <SmatZ> ah it's the same, ok :) 15:08:41 <SmatZ> shame :-x 15:09:56 <petern> SmatZ: yeah but 0.256Y is not the same as Y/0.256 15:10:40 <thingwath> Y/0.256 is something like 4Y, I hope :o) 15:10:51 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I am glad you relased you were caluclating N, not 'unit' ;) 15:11:28 <petern> thingwath... 15:11:35 <petern> the figure 3.90625 was just above 15:11:35 <Rubidium> goodger: you wanted to calculate YX = 1000X/256 -> Y = 1000/256 -> Y = 3.90... 15:12:04 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: there is no fun in showing his fundumantal flaw :( 15:12:07 <qball> h ah a ha 15:13:27 <TrueBrain> I am just considering the amount of fun answers you can give, applying goodger's math 15:13:38 <TrueBrain> 2Y = 1000X/256 ... so 0.128Y 15:13:49 <qball> life is a bitch aint it 15:13:51 <TrueBrain> I think I can come up with any amount of answer, which still holds :) 15:15:26 <TrueBrain> I wonder what he would have said when the question was: 15:15:30 <TrueBrain> kN/0.5 15:15:39 <TrueBrain> would that have given '5' as answer? 15:15:43 <Rubidium> like km/3600s = 3.6m/s 15:16:18 <Rubidium> hmm... actually 15:16:30 <Rubidium> ... like km/3600s = 3.6ms 15:16:42 <goodger> sorry, I don't follow how that's wrong. divide by 2 on both sides to get Y = 1000X/128, then divide 1000 by 128 to get Y = 7.8125X, then divide both sides by 7.8125 to get X = Y/7.8125 = Y * 1/7.8125 = 0.128Y 15:17:28 <TrueBrain> goodger: one useful tip: in no system dividing something by X gives as answer 0.X ... 15:17:37 <TrueBrain> (just a thumbrule) 15:17:50 <goodger> er, I didn't divide by X 15:17:56 <goodger> are you reading the same thing as I type? 15:18:03 <TrueBrain> I doubt you ever read the question 15:18:05 <goodger> quarplibrarblem 15:18:09 <TrueBrain> well ... that sure explains a few things :) 15:18:55 <goodger> TrueBrain: you said that 2Y = 1000X/256 resolving to 0.128Y was wrong. I went through it very thoroughly and I can't find any error in my algebra 15:19:04 <goodger> would you care to point out the specific error in my algebra? 15:19:18 <Rubidium> goodger: the major problem is that you AGAIN are failing to properly read and understand the question 15:19:19 <TrueBrain> I never said your statement was wrong 15:19:28 <TrueBrain> I just said your statement was fundamantally flawed 15:19:42 <Rubidium> the specific error is the text->math conversion which is fundamentally flawed 15:19:49 <TrueBrain> and pointed out that in your math-world, any amount of answers would hold 15:20:10 <goodger> yes, I reread the _original_ question, in which I reversedly-converted kilonewtons to newtons by dividing by 1000 15:20:35 <goodger> and then you supplied an example of a maths problem and an answer that was supposed to be totally ludicrous based on my logic 15:20:40 <goodger> but my answer was correct 15:20:57 <TrueBrain> I am sure that in some subset of the world you are correct 15:20:59 <goodger> or rather, that answer 15:21:02 <TrueBrain> just it wasn't any answer petern was asking for :) 15:21:08 <Rubidium> you want to know how many N one kN/256 is. To calculate you do NOT use Y = 1000N/256, but you use YN = 1000N/256 (as N is on both sides of the equation, or not... as it's just a "type name") 15:21:17 <goodger> yes, in the subset of the world that you supplied as being absolutely patently incorrect, I was correct 15:21:45 <Rubidium> so your Y = 1000X/256 should've been Y = 1000/256 (or YX = 1000X/256) 15:21:48 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: nah, in his world N holds a true value which can be redused to primes :) 15:21:54 <petern> :o 15:22:20 <TrueBrain> I think Newton would die if he hadn't already, by reading this :) 15:22:21 <TrueBrain> haha :) 15:22:28 <goodger> I am opposed to being supplied with examples of foolishly incorrect maths that I might produce that are, in fact, correct 15:22:47 <TrueBrain> nobody debated your math; just the origin of your math 15:22:54 <TrueBrain> hence the: fundamentally flawed, part :) 15:23:02 <goodger> and Rubidium: the original problem was to find the value of X, namely the number of newtons, given Y which was the number of kilonewtons multiplied by 256 15:23:22 <goodger> to solve that problem, an X is required in the equation 15:23:39 <Rubidium> goodger: that's where you're wrong 15:23:49 <TrueBrain> '/' and '*' are indeed both multiplications :) 15:24:17 <goodger> sorry.. what? 15:24:24 <petern> the full equation is XN = YkN/256 15:24:26 <TrueBrain> yeah, that was what I was asking myself :) 15:24:35 <goodger> in the version of mathematics I was taught, / is division 15:24:46 <petern> XN = Y*1000N/256 -> X = Y*1000/256 15:25:02 <TrueBrain> so again we have 4 people who agree on something ... and one person not agree'ing ... how nice is that :) 15:25:20 <Rubidium> DEJA VU 15:25:30 <petern> that's not fair 15:25:37 <petern> some people do have 11 or 12 fingers 15:25:47 <TrueBrain> +1 for petern :) 15:25:56 <goodger> wait 15:26:11 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EBFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:26:36 <qball> ha ha ha ha 15:26:52 <TrueBrain> at least I have to give goodger credit ... he does stand for what he believes :p 15:27:33 <TrueBrain> still nowhere in the equations my food-supply problem was solved ... 15:27:41 <goodger> TrueBrain: rather, I am simply trying to indicate that the "fantasyland" equation and solution you constructed was, in fact, correct 15:27:56 <goodger> and I resent you insulting me with it 15:28:43 <qball> It is bitter 15:28:52 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [+++ Rebooting Universe, Please Try Again Later +++] 15:29:03 <TrueBrain> maybe after that reboot, his math does add up ... :p 15:29:29 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: http://www.thuisbezorgd.nl/restaurant/Lion-Pizza ? 15:29:29 <qball> cruel cruel world 15:30:09 * Rubidium wants a "peace of cake" ;) 15:30:18 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium, for even finding the right place :p 15:30:28 <TrueBrain> but yeah, I was considering pizza ... 15:30:44 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0CF23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:59 * Rubidium really wonders what a "peace of cake" is 15:31:10 <TrueBrain> miss holland in a cake? 15:31:22 <Rubidium> ieuw 15:31:53 <TrueBrain> a nasty nasty typo .... 15:32:01 <TrueBrain> I think I will call them and ask what it is :p 15:32:38 <qball> no no 15:32:39 <Rubidium> "kunt u my vertellen wat een vrede van cake is?" 15:32:42 <qball> let Rubidium call 15:32:51 <TrueBrain> it is Ben & Jerry :p 15:32:55 <TrueBrain> they always have silly things :) 15:33:22 <TrueBrain> anyway, I do wonder why goodger was insulted ... I was just making fun of him ... oh well :) 15:34:26 <yorick> your fun consists out of beating and kicking people. 15:34:28 <yorick> :) 15:35:22 <Zuu> Wow WidgetFocus patch has went from 900+ rows to 620 rows, by the commit of unified open osk patch. :-) 15:35:22 <petern> ah, yorick 15:35:28 <petern> please make some stupid statement for us to mock 15:38:19 <Zuu> Though I have about 3 functions to write documentation for, but probably not 100 rows per function :p 15:41:31 <yorick> if I want to zero + resize an array, should I use zeroarraysomehow + ReallocT or free + CallocT? 15:46:10 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:47:07 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 15:47:57 <petern> why would you want to zero it? 15:48:41 <yorick> heh 15:49:36 <yorick> nvm 15:49:49 <SpComb> just use FragmentT(n, b) which allocates n blocks of b bytes which are distributed as evenly as possible over the current heap region 15:50:24 <SpComb> (ok, bad example) 15:50:33 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:50:37 <petern> create lots of 1 byte files 15:51:43 *** Mortal is now known as Guest141 15:51:44 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 15:57:44 *** Guest141 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:39 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E256.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:55 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41260 O_O wtf? 16:02:20 <yorick> hack more than just a little bit :p 16:02:28 <petern> horrible hack, indeed 16:02:52 <yorick> invisible tunnels 16:03:10 <Wolf01> warp tunnels 16:03:14 <petern> and yet another case of a patch doing more than one thing at a time 16:04:05 <Wolf01> agreed 16:06:08 <TrueBrain> lol 16:07:11 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14807 /trunk/src/ (15 files): -Codechange: use INVALID_TILE instead of 0 to mark invalid depots, industries, towns and waypoints 16:07:28 <Aali> so how does that patch work anyway? I haven't tried it 16:07:36 <petern> uglily i bet 16:07:55 <Wolf01> it allows you to build stargates in your map 16:07:55 <yorick> "The philosophy behind it is that I see tunnels as depots." 16:07:56 <yorick> :D 16:08:15 <yorick> using ctrl, it allows you to skip one exit and go to the other one 16:08:20 <Wolf01> or depots as tunnels 16:08:34 <yorick> I like to see depots as tunnels, not the other way aroud :) 16:08:38 <yorick> around* 16:08:56 <Aali> so, basically, trains go in on one end and come out the other, possibly out of order? 16:08:57 <yorick> they can't even crash inside a tunnel 16:09:03 <yorick> yes 16:09:03 <TrueBrain> so I ordered pizza ...... hmm ... /me hungry :) 16:09:09 <Aali> eugh 16:09:17 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E256.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:22 <petern> mmm pizza 16:09:32 <yorick> and maybe even multiple at the time :p 16:12:23 <Prof_Frink> Multiple pizza? 16:12:31 <TrueBrain> pizza for everyone! 16:12:31 <Aali> maybe its not such a bad idea after all 16:12:33 <TrueBrain> order one yourself :) 16:12:51 <Aali> but you should of course keep trains in order and not allow more trains than will fit in the tunnel 16:14:02 <Aali> and the whole separate exit/entrance teleport thing has to go 16:15:44 <yorick> the patch is only activated with the crossing tunnels cheat 16:15:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:15:57 <petern> heh 16:16:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [] 16:16:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:19:14 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:19:16 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [] 16:23:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-228-220.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:28:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14808 /trunk/src/disaster_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r1): coal mine subsidence could wrap around map edges 16:30:03 *** Splex [~splex@116.127.150.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:06 <Skyruner2> Why does the following code always show STR_FEEDER even if i know (via live debugging) that msg ist set to a different string? 16:30:07 <Skyruner2> StringID msg = STR_FEEDER; SetDParam(0, vehicle); if (income != 0) { if(income == vehicle){ StringID msg = STR_0803_INCOME; SetDParam(0, income); }else{ StringID msg = STR_FEEDER_INCOME; SetDParam(1, income); } } AddTextEffect(msg, pt.x, pt.y, 0x250, TE_RISING); 16:31:18 <SmatZ> because your msg has different scope 16:31:27 <SmatZ> I wonder your compiler doesn't complain 16:31:28 <Skyruner2> argh 16:31:31 <Skyruner2> lol 16:31:41 <Skyruner2> \me is an idiot 16:31:45 <SmatZ> :-P 16:32:01 * thingwath too! 16:32:03 <thingwath> :o) 16:32:06 <SmatZ> :-P 16:35:34 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.240.170] has left #openttd [] 16:35:37 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14809 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix (r14802): forgotten ! 16:37:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:37:42 * yorick looks for ways to catch the error MallocT gives 16:37:42 <TrueBrain> hmm .. that pizza tasted goood!!! 16:39:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:40:51 <yorick> meh, it is not a fatal error if you can't reserve enough memory! 16:41:28 <yorick> it's just unfortunate for the user :p 16:41:46 <petern> it is pretty fatal 16:42:07 <yorick> not always, just "can't copy area...out of memory" should do 16:42:13 <petern> unless, i suppose, you wanted to allocate 60 thousand jiggabytes 16:43:03 <petern> have you ever got an error from MallocT, using sensible values? 16:43:11 <yorick> 31 megabytes 16:43:51 <yorick> heh, it's not my fault if the user wants to duplicate a 2048x2048 map with less than 64MB RAM 16:45:18 <yorick> (and they want that) 16:47:22 <edeca> yorick: Not you! 16:47:30 <yorick> yes, me too 16:47:43 <yorick> but not with less than 64MB RAM 16:53:39 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:02 <TrueBrain> copy/paste is stupid anyway 16:54:32 <yorick> why that? 16:54:57 <TrueBrain> spoils the game on so many levels .. 16:55:30 <yorick> so you want to move your junction 3 tiles to the left manually? 16:55:42 <TrueBrain> or not move it at all 16:55:52 <TrueBrain> most fun I had was to restruct a running junction, evne more in the coop games 16:55:59 <TrueBrain> reconstruct 16:56:00 <TrueBrain> haha 16:56:07 <TrueBrain> it is an art to do that 16:56:08 <yorick> and the stations you need to make bigger :) 16:56:23 <TrueBrain> using some kind of copy/paste shit for it .. well .. it spoils the game 16:56:33 <TrueBrain> for the same reason I am against cooperative AIs, which 'help' you with your network 16:59:28 <yorick> you don't *have* to use it ;) 16:59:55 <TrueBrain> it is not that ... it is the idea of others using that (in MP), which spoils the game for me 17:00:42 <yorick> you can disable it on the server :p 17:00:49 <TrueBrain> yeah ... right ... 17:00:49 <TrueBrain> lol 17:00:58 <TrueBrain> you have no idea how easy it is to 'hack' such things .. 17:00:59 <TrueBrain> but okay :) 17:01:00 <yorick> and then anyone could enable it back again :) 17:01:20 <yorick> just commenting out 2 lines and it works again :/ 17:02:39 <yorick> might need another way to do it in MP 17:02:51 <yorick> like transfering the whole template somehow 17:03:50 <petern> server-side copy & paste? heh 17:04:07 <yorick> and maybe download to the clients 17:04:36 <TrueBrain> bleh .. I am going to play Left 4 Dead ;) 17:06:10 <Skyruner2> hehe whats your steam account name? 17:09:45 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14810 /trunk/src/ (music.cpp music.h music_gui.cpp strings.cpp): -Codechange: use the proper style for global variables. 17:10:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14811 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Fix: off-by-one causing possible out-of-bounds reads. 17:12:05 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14812 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use INVALID_TILE instead of 0 to mark company without HQ 17:16:29 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 17:18:02 <Skyruner2> how do i create a patch /diff file with hg? 17:18:18 <Rubidium> hg diff? 17:28:35 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14813 /trunk/src/ (order_base.h order_cmd.cpp os2.cpp): -Codechange: use uint instead of 'just' unsigned. 17:30:57 <edeca> Rubidium: I'm looking at the copypaste patch, it currently has save/load in saveload.cpp but doesn't really use any of the functions. Would it be sensible to move it into copy_paste.cpp and handle everything there? 17:33:23 <Rubidium> do whatever's best 17:34:14 <edeca> Rubidium: Is there a chance of it getting into trunk if written properly? 17:35:17 <Rubidium> there's always a chance 17:35:37 <yorick> heh, bad choice to ask Rubidium anything :p 17:35:41 <glx> the opposite is also true 17:37:55 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:32 *** Monkeyman1 [~Monkeyman@adsl-89-217-129-185.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 17:38:43 <Monkeyman1> hi 17:39:28 <SmatZ> hello 17:41:59 <Monkeyman1> how can I use these: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/32bpp_graphics_development_tracker 17:42:01 <Monkeyman1> in openttd? 17:42:08 <Monkeyman1> aka package them that I can use them... 17:43:01 <glx> pngcodec them (if not already done), then rename them, then put them in a tar 17:43:53 <Monkeyman1> how can I see the name that its supposed to have... 17:44:03 <Monkeyman1> you mean like 1321.png or something like that right? 17:44:06 <glx> yes 17:44:25 <Monkeyman1> how can I identify what the name is? since I need to replace the old one... 17:44:47 <glx> decode original grf with grfcodec 17:44:54 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:27 *** PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn [~Madman@88-109-251-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:50 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> how am I supposed to install the damn thing 17:46:26 <Monkeyman1> ah thank you... I have been trying to figure that out for about two hours :) 17:46:36 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 17:46:42 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:53 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I tried it with sudo apt-get install openttd 17:46:59 <yorick> and what did it say? 17:47:08 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> tried it with package reader 17:47:19 <yorick> and what did it say? 17:47:37 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> hang on, its giving me different messages now 17:47:44 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 17:47:46 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> gonna see what they come up with 17:47:50 <yorick> could not find trg1r.grf? 17:47:56 <Monkeyman1> can I use the linux grfcodec from mac os x? 17:48:16 <glx> may work but I won't bet on it 17:49:04 <Monkeyman1> damn I dont wanna turn on my other computer :P 17:49:15 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> I made a directory and transferred the files stated# 17:49:21 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but still not working 17:49:38 <yorick> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: what does it say? 17:49:51 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> nothing 17:49:55 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> nothing happens 17:49:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:05 <glx> try in a console 17:50:11 <Alberth> Monkeyman1: build a new one from the source 17:50:15 <yorick> "getting different messages now"? 17:50:43 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> came up with a message about needing files transferred over 17:51:03 <Zuu> What did it say? Did it say a specific path they should be placed in? 17:51:40 <Monkeyman1> Alberth, I might actually do that because the pngcodec did not work either 17:51:51 <Monkeyman1> I tried in the terminal... 17:52:03 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> data files neededx 17:52:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80536.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:52:27 <Alberth> Monkeyman1: is there any other place you can work than in a terminal? :P 17:52:28 <qball> hmmm is maarten of the servers here? 17:52:33 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> for its operation openttd needs data files from the original transport tycoon deluxe game 17:52:41 <Monkeyman1> Alberth, no idea is there? :P 17:52:59 <Zuu> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: Yes, but most likely the apt package want the data-files at a specific location to find them. 17:53:03 <glx> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: that's the standard readme 17:53:23 <glx> and it should tell where you need to put files 17:53:29 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> see the usr/share/doc/openttd/readme.debian file for more details about the needed files and their location 17:53:35 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> but theres no readme file 17:53:35 <Zuu> if the apt package looks for them (I didn't knew the apt package did that) 17:54:04 <glx> just put them in ~/.openttd/data 17:54:18 <Rubidium> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: the preceding / is important and so is proper capitalisation 17:54:35 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> missed that 17:54:42 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> typing on another PC 17:55:54 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EBFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:22 <Alberth> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/readme.txt 17:57:03 <glx> or http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/os/debian/README.Debian 17:57:30 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> the onlt thing is the directory is under my user name 17:57:43 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> did mkdir openttd 17:57:55 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> #and then coppied the files into a folder marked data 17:58:18 <glx> it's ".openttd" not "openttd" 17:58:27 <Zuu> PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn: there are at least one GPL licensed program that let you share keyboard, mouse and copy/paste between computers on a safe LAN. Which might be of help for you. 18:00:20 *** Clinically_Insane [~Madman@88-109-251-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:39 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> ok, just logged on on the other PC 18:00:51 <PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn> can paste what I get direct that way 18:00:58 *** PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn [~Madman@88-109-251-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 18:01:55 <Clinically_Insane> if I restart all of this 18:02:10 <Clinically_Insane> deleteding the .openttd folder 18:02:18 <Clinically_Insane> and starting a complete reinstall 18:03:20 <Clinically_Insane> do I make this folder first?? 18:03:59 <Zuu> making .openttd? 18:04:57 <Clinically_Insane> obviously i'm screwing up somewhere along the lines of this installation 18:05:03 <Zuu> I would say it doesn't matter when you make .openttd. But I've not used any package manager ever to install OpenTTD. 18:05:07 <Clinically_Insane> so wondering where it is and how to get past it 18:05:27 <Zuu> What do you do, and what issues do you get? 18:05:48 <Clinically_Insane> I tried installing via sudo apt-get openttd 18:05:59 <Clinically_Insane> and it says about the files and thats it 18:05:59 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-73-104.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 18:06:22 <mrfrenzy> Clinically_Insane: easiest is to just put the data files in /usr/share/games/openttd/data 18:06:23 <Clinically_Insane> should explain I'm new to linux, only been using it for a day now 18:06:32 <mrfrenzy> that directory shoiuld be created automatically when you install the game 18:06:37 <Clinically_Insane> ok/i'll open that 18:07:02 <glx> you need sudo to change this dir 18:07:04 <Monkeyman1> glx, when putting the png into the tar should I add it sprites/trg1r/*.png 18:09:42 <Clinically_Insane> http://pastebin.com/d29533992 18:10:08 <gynter> wtf 18:10:19 <gynter> i can't find grf nfo wiki docs anymore :S 18:11:06 <glx> wiki.ttdpatch.net 18:11:18 <Clinically_Insane> ive got a openttd file in /usr/share/games, but notm a directory 18:11:20 <gynter> uhu 18:11:34 <gynter> great, why did I think that i saw it in openttd wiki... 18:11:50 <Zuu> Clinically_Insane: Just checked with my lenny (debian) box and it also uses 0.6.2-R1 in apt. If you intend to play multiplayer I suggest you install 0.6.3 instead. 18:12:15 <gynter> hmh. Long Vechiles 4 replaces some trams, thats not good 18:12:42 <Clinically_Insane> apt-get remove then download 0.6.3 and install with package manager?? 18:13:02 <Zuu> remove openttd with apt-get. 18:13:23 <Zuu> If there is a .deb for 0.6.3 you can use it. 18:13:37 <gynter> why you need a deb? 18:13:45 <Rubidium> Zuu: there's one on the openttd website 18:14:09 <gynter> hmh odd, i have 0.6.3-1 repos 18:14:14 <Rubidium> or use the one from debian sid 18:15:01 <Zuu> Yep, saw there is one deb for etch and one for lenny. 18:15:11 <Monkeyman1> what program can I use to make tar files? 18:15:12 <Clinically_Insane> downloading and installing 0.6.3 18:15:19 <Zuu> Monkeyman1: tar 18:15:32 <Clinically_Insane> For its operation, OpenTTD needs the data files from the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe game. 18:15:32 <Clinically_Insane> See the /usr/share/doc/openttd/README.Debian file for more details about the needed files and their location. 18:15:35 <Clinically_Insane> again 18:15:55 <glx> yes and it's ok 18:16:00 <Zuu> Yep, and you have placed the files there? 18:16:11 <Clinically_Insane> not yet as theres no folder to put them in 18:16:16 <Zuu> Then all you should do is to execute openttd 18:16:32 <glx> just put them in ~/.openttd/data 18:16:42 <Monkeyman1> Zuu, what do you mean? thats the name of the program? 18:16:46 <Clinically_Insane> do i need to create a folder in /usr/share/games/ 18:17:07 <glx> Clinically_Insane: <+glx> just put them in ~/.openttd/data 18:17:08 <Zuu> Unless you have many users ~/.openttd/data works even better I would say. 18:17:37 <Zuu> As you have write permission to put downloaded extra grfs there if you want. 18:17:47 <Clinically_Insane> theres only 3-4 users on this pc 18:17:52 <Clinically_Insane> that said 18:17:56 <Clinically_Insane> i've just found the folder 18:18:05 <Clinically_Insane> copy/pasting the extra files now 18:18:41 <gynter> Monkeyman1, yes 18:18:43 <Zuu> Monkeyman1: on linux there is a program that is named "tar" you can find tar.exe in some unix-kits for windows. Or you can check 7zip. 7zip at least unzips .tar.gz files. 18:19:18 <gynter> Monkeyman1, http://lantech.geekvenue.net/chucktips/jason/chuck/994016279/index_html 18:19:33 <Clinically_Insane> its not letting me paste the files in 18:19:58 <glx> you need to do it with sudo 18:20:17 <Clinically_Insane> whats the command for that 18:20:32 <Zuu> put sudo before your desired comand 18:20:40 <glx> sudo cp trg*.grf /usr/... 18:20:49 <Zuu> or just use the command su to become super-user. 18:21:04 <Monkeyman1> I am on mac os x or on vista... and I cant find a program that encodes to tar 18:21:25 <glx> on mac I'm quite sure there is tar 18:21:41 <glx> on vista you can use 7-zip 18:21:46 <Monkeyman1> extracting yes but encoding I cant find it 18:21:55 <Zuu> Monkeyman1: tar is an archive format, not something openttd has invented for image encoding. 18:22:12 <glx> tar is a very old format :) 18:22:12 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:32 <Zuu> glx: Indeed :) 18:22:43 <Clinically_Insane> ben@ben-desktop:~$ sudo cp tgr1.grf /usr/share/games/openttd/data 18:22:43 <Clinically_Insane> cp: cannot stat `tgr1.grf': No such file or directory 18:22:46 <Monkeyman1> Zuu, I know.. 18:23:02 <glx> Clinically_Insane: trg != tgr 18:23:18 <Skyruner2> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39161&p=754352#p754352 18:23:28 <glx> Clinically_Insane: use TAB key to autocomplete filenames 18:24:07 <glx> you may need to do ./tr<TAB> 18:24:34 <Clinically_Insane> is it due to them being on the cd still?? 18:24:54 <glx> not a problem 18:25:04 <glx> you misstyped the filename :) 18:25:05 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has left #openttd [] 18:25:11 <Clinically_Insane> the first time 18:25:20 <Clinically_Insane> when I tried it with the correct filename same thing 18:25:56 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:03 <glx> hmm looks like DOS cd, so names are in caps 18:26:15 <glx> so TRG1.GRF 18:26:58 <Clinically_Insane> the names aren't displayed in caps here 18:27:28 *** yorick_ [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:35 <Zuu> so you can see them in your home directory when you do a "ls" with lower case? 18:27:54 <Alberth> to be on the safe side: ls ~ 18:28:01 <Monkeyman1> thanks 7-zip worsk :D 18:28:03 <Monkeyman1> works:D 18:28:08 <Zuu> Monkeyman1: Nice 18:30:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r14814 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:30:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-03 18:29:54 18:30:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 9 fixed by khaloofah (9) 18:30:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 9 fixed by tucalipe (9) 18:30:26 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 9 fixed by Excel20 (9) 18:30:27 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: french - 10 fixed, 1 changed by glx (11) 18:30:29 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hebrew - 31 fixed by EScake (31) 18:30:49 <Clinically_Insane> got it sorted 18:30:55 <Clinically_Insane> all files transfered 18:31:08 <Clinically_Insane> copied them to a folder in /home 18:31:28 <Clinically_Insane> then copied them from there to the data file 18:31:47 <Clinically_Insane> whats the music file 18:31:52 <Clinically_Insane> is that the gm.cat?? 18:31:53 <Prof_Frink> sample.cat 18:32:04 <glx> DOS version => no music 18:32:14 <Clinically_Insane> ok 18:32:32 <glx> openttd doesn't know how to use gm.cat 18:32:48 <Clinically_Insane> it works 18:32:55 <Clinically_Insane> thanks for the help 18:33:09 <TrueBrain> that will be 5 euros; don't worry, we will send you a bill ;) 18:33:10 <TrueBrain> (hehe) 18:33:24 *** Clinically_Insane [~Madman@88-109-251-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:38 <glx> at least he's polite :) 18:33:45 <TrueBrain> true :) 18:33:59 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:15 *** evandar_ [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 18:34:18 *** evandar [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Conversation terminated] 18:34:18 <TrueBrain> [18:06] <Skyruner2> hehe whats your steam account name? <- I have an xbox :) 18:34:27 *** evandar_ [~evandar@xbl.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:08 *** Skyruner2 [~Skyruner2@ip-88-153-190-45.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:32 <TrueBrain> bad timing :p 18:42:57 <Zuu> Compiling OpenTTD on 1,33 GHz / 256kB L2 cache is so sloooow :( 18:43:12 <TrueBrain> don't worry; it is slow on any machine ;) 18:43:38 <glx> define slow :) 18:44:01 <TrueBrain> longer than I would want to wait :) 18:44:15 <glx> and compare it with time needed for a MSVC release build 18:44:16 <Zuu> well, on a 2.0+ GHz you at least get about double speed. 18:44:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14815 /trunk/ (12 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: separate 'highscore' code from 'company' code 18:44:39 <Zuu> yea, MSVC release is not fun.. 18:49:03 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 18:50:41 <gynter> is it possible to define a value with action6 which will be the first ID of vechile and other IDs will be incremented from the action6 value? 18:51:35 <gynter> if I define action6 value as 44 then first is 44, second 45, third 46 etc, but if i define action6 as 43, then first is 43, second 44, third 45 etc 18:52:19 <petern> uh 18:52:28 <petern> TrueBrain: 15 seconds isn't very long 18:54:24 <petern> gynter, why bother? 18:54:35 <gynter> for replacement 18:55:06 <petern> well 18:55:21 <petern> if you code the nfo properly, vehicle IDs will automatically be sequential 18:55:59 <gynter> eq, If I have a grf, which replaces roadv 44 to 4A and another one which replaces 44 to 4A, but I want this another one to replace 4B to 51 18:56:11 <TrueBrain> petern: show-off ;) 18:56:27 <gynter> so I could define the other start ID as grf action6 value 18:57:02 <petern> what you want to do is: 18:57:09 <petern> if (other grf active) 18:57:27 <petern> set param blah to id-offset 18:57:49 <petern> then use action 6 to apply that offset to all your action 0/3/4s where needed 18:58:16 <gynter> exactly 19:00:04 <petern> so..? 19:00:14 <gynter> i don't know how to do this :) 19:00:21 <gynter> otherwise I wouldn't ask :P 19:00:31 <petern> hmm, but that is how you do it... 19:01:04 <petern> action 7, action D and action 6 19:01:05 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image014.png <- it already shows the boarders :) 19:01:21 <petern> borders, eh? 19:01:27 <TrueBrain> lol 19:01:30 <gynter> GlobalID offset? 19:01:35 <glx> thin blue lines :) 19:01:36 <TrueBrain> I wanted to type boundaries :) 19:02:09 <petern> that map needs the 'non-sea edges' patch 19:02:16 <SmatZ> http://www.openttd.org/server/118 "Current date: 31355-07-31" 8-) 19:02:20 <TrueBrain> petern: yup 19:02:38 <TrueBrain> but soon it won't :p 19:02:46 <TrueBrain> as I plan to cut on those nice borders :) 19:02:50 <TrueBrain> if I had any idea how .... :p 19:03:02 <petern> just fix up that patch and don't worry ;) 19:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that patch would be a nice addition 19:03:27 <gynter> why do I need action7 for? 19:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> gynter: action 7 to check if the other grf is active 19:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> action D to set the variable 19:04:12 <gynter> yes ofc 19:04:15 <gynter> thanks 19:04:21 <TrueBrain> k ... I need a flooding algorithm, which floods everything inside the lines :p 19:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> action 6 to read the variable and change the value 19:06:57 *** Jacobee [~wut@71-82-153-149.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 19:07:01 <Jacobee> !download win32 19:07:01 *** Jacobee was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:07:09 <TrueBrain> effective .. 19:07:43 <SmatZ> hehehe 19:09:27 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:10:25 *** benjamingoodger is now known as goodger 19:11:59 <petern> hello again 19:13:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.213.221] has joined #openttd 19:14:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.213.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.213.221] has joined #openttd 19:17:24 <petern> what does lea edx,[edx+eax*4] do? 19:17:54 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-85-164.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [+++ Rebooting Universe, Please Try Again Later +++] 19:17:57 <SmatZ> petern: edx = edx + eax * 4 19:18:36 <SmatZ> (no memory access) 19:20:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:40 <petern> oh 19:20:49 <petern> so it magically does what it says in the tin, in one instruction 19:22:09 <TrueBrain> okay ... I have a region, which is build up from latitude/longitude coordinates ... 19:22:21 <TrueBrain> I need a routine which finds a points which is in the center of this region 19:22:26 <TrueBrain> anyone any bright ideas? 19:23:04 <petern> pinata 19:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: what happened to sum(points)/number? 19:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> where "points" are all points in the area 19:27:09 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.1.163.11] has joined #openttd 19:27:37 <TrueBrain> I can draw you regions where that does not give a point inside the area :) 19:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that is true. 19:27:54 <TrueBrain> take a slightly weird shaped triangle .. 19:27:58 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f87a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:13 <TrueBrain> well, in fact, I don't really need the center 19:28:14 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:17 <TrueBrain> just any real point inside the region 19:28:57 <Eddi|zuHause> how do you determine if a point is inside the region? 19:29:07 <TrueBrain> that is kind of my question ;) 19:29:08 <TrueBrain> haha :) 19:29:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so what you really want is a constructive variant of the axiom of choice :p 19:30:04 <TrueBrain> euh .. what? :p 19:30:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the axiom of choice says: "there is a function which maps every set to a member of that set" 19:30:55 <TrueBrain> the image I just gave, it contains points of the border. I just made those points lines, but now I need a method to find any point inside the region, so I can flood the inside of the region; that way I can cut out everything that is not part of what I want :) 19:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with that axiom is its non-constructiveness, it does not say how to find such a function 19:31:23 <TrueBrain> a human can always tell what is inside a region ... in math, it is much more tricky :( 19:31:55 <TrueBrain> 2 years ago I used this method to just do what you said, well .. sort of anyway 19:32:07 <TrueBrain> but it turns out the database I use has A LOT of regions where this points is on the wrong side :p 19:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> which is why some mathematicians decide to deny this axiom at all 19:32:57 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 19:33:24 <Alberth> TrueBrain, Eddi|zuHause: walk from the point to some point definitely outside. Count the # borders that you encounter, if it odd, you were inside. 19:33:42 <Alberth> *is 19:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so, you have a polygon, which is given by a list of vertices, now you want to find a point that is inside the polygon 19:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and any point will do? 19:34:58 <TrueBrain> Alberth: that method fails too, in some weird shapes (which sadly enough is also in this set) .. but I remember I did try to make that to work .. I just failed somewhere :p haha :) 19:35:20 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: any point, yes, as long as it isn't at the border (and is a valid point in my lowest-resolution set) 19:36:01 <TrueBrain> the time it takes to find this point is also not important; it is a one-time job 19:36:04 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 19:36:25 <glx> [20:07:17] <TrueBrain> effective .. <-- DorpsGek should do it by itself :) 19:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> is it guranteed to be continguous? 19:36:38 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I would like to think so ... 19:36:51 <TrueBrain> some regions are VERY small, and appear not to be 19:36:57 <TrueBrain> but I think we can manually remove such regions anyway 19:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if you think of real countries, there are occasionally ones that are not continguous 19:37:44 <TrueBrain> like? 19:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> like in germany, Bremen is not 19:37:57 <TrueBrain> one country can exist of multiple regions 19:38:15 <TrueBrain> the dataset defines that the last point of the dataset is always the first point, and that is indicates a closed region 19:38:15 <glx> and sub-regions 19:38:25 <TrueBrain> but .. I know for sure that is not true ;) But ignore those instances :) (I just remove them :p) 19:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not really something to worry about, just wanted to check ;) 19:39:36 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: glx * r14816 /trunk/src/ (network/network_gui.cpp settings_gui.cpp): -Fix: signed/unsigned warnings (MSVC) 19:42:07 <TrueBrain> if (ny <- image->iheight) <0 nice typo 19:42:39 <joachim> do you need to check for just one arbitrary point at a time? 19:43:30 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image015.png <- Eddi|zuHause: that is how most regions are :) 19:44:35 <joachim> nl! 19:44:47 <joachim> my favourite country 19:47:31 <Yexo> TrueBrain: if you just want any point within a region, can you not simply draw a line through the region, and choose the point halfway the first two corssing of the borders with your line? 19:48:05 <Alberth> Yexo, region is not always convex 19:48:17 <joachim> is to point to find any point inside, or determine whether any point is inside? 19:48:27 <joachim> first to = the 19:48:30 <TrueBrain> to find _any_ (1) point inside 19:48:47 <TrueBrain> or, for all I care: _any_ (1) point outside 19:48:57 <joachim> ah, ok 19:49:07 <TrueBrain> the latter only makes it slightly more complex :) 19:49:11 <Yexo> Alberth: does that matter? 19:49:15 <TrueBrain> Yexo: it does :) 19:49:47 <Yexo> TrueBrain: can you give an example? 19:50:00 <TrueBrain> I used to 19:50:03 <TrueBrain> but I trashed all my old work ;) 19:51:09 <TrueBrain> ah, the 'ray' problem was when it hit a line that was paralel (and at the position) of the ray 19:51:18 <TrueBrain> then detection is fucked ;) 19:51:53 <TrueBrain> on which also your idea fails Yexo 19:52:14 <joachim> and you need this to start the drawing? i guess you're not planning to 'actually' flood the regions :P 19:52:26 <Alberth> glx: how do you get a signed/unsigned warning with this? "i < vscroll.pos + vscroll.cap" all vars are unsigned. 19:52:33 <TrueBrain> I really flood the regions .. just virtual ;) 19:52:58 <glx> Alberth: uint+uint -> int 19:53:05 <Yexo> TrueBrain: that depends, as it can work with any arbitrary line (the angledoesn't matter) you can just preprocess all border lines and chose a line that is not paralel to any existing line 19:53:51 <joachim> there are not that many regions though, not much work to just set some coords manually 19:54:07 <TrueBrain> joachim: my dataset defines around 10000 regions 19:54:10 <TrueBrain> you feel up to that task? 19:54:16 <joachim> i said nothing 19:54:18 <joachim> ;) 19:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: can't you just pick a point next to the border, flood-fill, and check if that flood hits the map edge? 19:55:01 <joachim> it will hit all edges even if it's outside 19:55:06 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: hmm ... 'sandbox' the image and flood it at any random point .. 19:55:08 <TrueBrain> now there is an idea .. 19:55:27 <TrueBrain> if the map-edge is reached, invert the flood 19:55:34 <TrueBrain> pick any point fromt he flooded area 19:55:38 <TrueBrain> and it should always be a point inside :) 19:55:51 <joachim> oh 19:56:03 <joachim> misread 19:56:25 <TrueBrain> not really fast ... but for sure simplistic :) 19:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, other option would be to triangulate the entire polygon, and then check for each resulting triangle, if it contains an inner point 19:57:38 <TrueBrain> lol 19:58:01 <TrueBrain> I remember clearly there was an area in germany that 'leaked' 19:58:02 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:06 <TrueBrain> let me see if I can still find that point .. 19:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's the fault of your dataset, not of the algorithm... 19:58:42 <TrueBrain> yup 19:59:05 <Yexo> after thinking a bit about it, I don't see why my idea fails if you just ignore all border lines paralel to the chosen line 19:59:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and can't you manually "close" that dataset by appending the start point at the end again? 19:59:18 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:59:20 <TrueBrain> Yexo: detecting that tiny fact is _very_ hard 19:59:30 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, but there was somethins epcial here .. 19:59:32 <TrueBrain> let me look up the image .. 19:59:42 <TrueBrain> (I try to reach in my memory of 2 years back, so it is a bit fuzzy ;)) 19:59:50 <ctibor> Is there someone who plans to implement tekky's bidirectional tracks or is it such a huge task that nobody is willing to make it? (myself "no coder" :-(( ) 19:59:51 <Yexo> TrueBrain: what? detecting whether two lines are paralel is simple 19:59:57 <TrueBrain> Yexo: in general, yes 20:00:00 <TrueBrain> with coordinates: no 20:00:04 <TrueBrain> 'resolution' is a big factor here 20:00:26 <TrueBrain> your suggested method returned a point on a line at certain resolutions 20:00:27 <Alberth> glx: due to the uint16 vars, apparently. Tnx 20:00:28 <TrueBrain> no matter what I tried ;) 20:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> ctibor: the main problem there is to create an efficient reservation storage and lookup, because the track reservations cannot be stored in the map anymore 20:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the same tile might be reserved by multiple vehicles 20:01:32 <ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: Yes I read about it, that it is suggested to meke some graphs to store information needed 20:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> for different levels of reservation 20:02:04 <Yexo> TrueBrain: I think I miss some vital information on your problem here. Are all lines a integer coordinates or so? 20:02:10 <TrueBrain> hmm .. the code for germany is not DE, nor GR ... hmm .. 20:02:19 <TrueBrain> Yexo: no, floats of course 20:02:33 <TrueBrain> GM .. lol 20:03:00 <Eddi|zuHause> GM? wtf? 20:03:04 <ctibor> It's shame, that feature will be absolutely killer for me :-) 20:03:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ctibor: i don't recall anyone explicitly saying he would work on that 20:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but nobody was saying that he worked on YAPP, either :p 20:04:04 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E256.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:54 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image016.png 20:05:04 <ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: Seems like that unless I will learn programming (which will happen not in near 30 years), nobody will implement this ;-) 20:05:26 <TrueBrain> k ... lets try the sandbox idea :) (takes an hour or so to program) 20:06:33 <ctibor> If it only could be written in bash, than there will be some small hope for me :-) 20:06:54 <ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: But enough and thanks for the info :-) 20:07:08 <joachim> bash ftw! 20:07:13 <petern> language isn't important, it's the methods that need thought 20:07:19 <Eddi|zuHause> waaaaaaah... the green is too bright... after minimising the window, the whole screen looks red (where it was white before) 20:07:40 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, that's just screen burn ;) 20:07:49 <joachim> i sometimes decide to do stuff in bash just for the limitations and challenges i'll have to overcome to make things work 20:08:24 <ctibor> petern: Ok, you are right, but that's also the problem, I don't have algoritmic brain :-) 20:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like limitations and challenges 20:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i like theories and algorithms 20:08:38 <TrueBrain> hmm ... one other problem... if in the data file is a region, and a center point ... and that center point is outside the current image .. 20:08:42 <TrueBrain> no idea how to fix thatone yet :s 20:09:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E256.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:09:59 <ctibor> Algorithms fascinates me :-) That's all I have common with them ;-) 20:10:20 <Sacro> limitation disturbs me very sprites 20:10:24 <Sacro> goes throw out limitation? 20:12:41 <petern> lol 20:12:57 <joachim> Eddi|zuHause: so you code theoretic applications in theoretic mathematics? or just play with cellular automata? 20:13:19 <joachim> well, they provide challenges as well 20:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i code in python, currently 20:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> source code analyses 20:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> abstractions of program flows 20:14:23 <joachim> and you don't like challenges? 20:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> to prepare for model checking 20:15:03 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> joachim: not if it involves getting the compiler to understand what i was thinking, or reading long list of poorly documented library contents to find what i need 20:15:27 <joachim> :) 20:15:52 <Alberth> joachim: programming in Python has very few challenges w.r.t. the language, at least 20:15:59 <joachim> sure 20:16:44 <TrueBrain> last week someone said to me, while I was browsing through some python code of mine: is that PHP? It looks like PHP? 20:16:56 <TrueBrain> I don't see how any person who knows a tiny bit about program languages, can confuse PHP for Python .. 20:17:32 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it looks as much like PHP as it looks like any other language 20:17:40 * Rubidium would confuse sparc assembly with arm assembly too 20:17:51 <Alberth> ROFL! 20:17:52 <TrueBrain> the syntax is widely different 20:18:22 <TrueBrain> they all contain letters ... 20:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but an "outsider" sees words like "class", or operators like "==", and then almost every language looks the same 20:18:35 <Alberth> Rubidium: you want to borrow my arm assembly language book? :P 20:19:15 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: not to mention they all use indentation at the same points in the program 20:19:32 <Rubidium> Alberth: please not 20:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Python is a really nice language, but you soon need to learn to behave yourself with abusing some language features 20:21:19 <Rubidium> C/C++ gives me enough power and control 20:21:25 <TrueBrain> like any other language ;) 20:21:49 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-73-104.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:58 <petern> hmm 20:22:07 <petern> maybe i should finish working out what ttdpatch is doing :o 20:22:41 * Belugas sends some tea off to petern 20:22:50 <TrueBrain> Belugas!!!!!!!!!!11111111111 :) 20:23:00 <petern> hello sir belugas :D 20:23:06 <Belugas> hello guys :) 20:24:03 *** joachim [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:26:28 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28E058.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:53 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 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Useless people customers 21:08:49 <Prof_Frink> petern: Have you tried raising patchy in #tycoon? 21:08:57 <petern> nope 21:09:01 <petern> let me upload these changes :D 21:09:59 <TrueBrain> my flooding algorithm appears to do something .. 21:10:01 <TrueBrain> just not what I want ;) 21:10:55 <petern> right, ttdpatch added 21:11:01 <petern> along with a max rated speed marker 21:12:28 <Belugas> it's the fault of the installation team. they fucked up 21:12:30 <Belugas> again 21:12:36 <Belugas> now, they all flead 21:12:54 <Belugas> and i need to clean up their mess 21:12:56 <Belugas> again 21:12:58 <Belugas> grrrrr 21:12:59 <glx> hehe 21:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 90/3.6 21:13:38 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 25 21:14:46 <petern> exactly 25 21:14:55 <petern> which is nice 21:15:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, lots of 3's as prime factors ;) 21:15:18 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:35 <Rubidium> so TTDP's blue curve drops too fast and OTTD's blue curve drops too slow 21:15:37 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f87a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:05 <petern> depends on the values given 21:16:05 <Rubidium> hmm.. or OpenTTD's one starts too high and the red one too low 21:16:18 <Eddi|zuHause> ttdp's curve seems very... bumpy... 21:16:29 <Rubidium> 409t, 8 MW, 300 kN TE, 100 m/s, 0.03 incline 21:17:03 <Rubidium> (i.e. ICE3 without DC motor) 21:17:38 <petern> i didn't add ttdpatch's drag coefficient 21:18:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the max speed line is almost invisible... 21:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause> orange on white 21:19:29 <petern> visible for me 21:19:33 <Rubidium> hmm... why's max achievable speed less than max operational speed? 21:19:50 <petern> because of the slope 21:20:12 <petern> unless you mean with no slope 21:20:17 <petern> in which case the drag values are wrong 21:20:50 *** mindless [~Administr@75.110.39.179] has joined #openttd 21:20:51 <petern> with ttdpatch's default drag for a 100m/s train, it reaches max speed 21:20:52 <Rubidium> with incline 0 it has around 90 m/s achievable speed 21:21:02 <petern> goes up to 110 m/s here, let me add that in 21:21:58 <Rubidium> ICE's 3 operational speed is ~92 m/s, max speed ~102 (according to wiki/specs) 21:22:30 <Rubidium> with your graphs at level: 85 m/s for simple and 89 m/s for (O)TTD(P) 21:23:15 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: funny enough .... even the sandbox method manages to pick points which are very tricky ;) 21:23:16 <TrueBrain> haha 21:24:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, just try 3 points, and pick the one that finishes first 21:24:34 <TrueBrain> for some reason some points finish too soon :( 21:25:26 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:25:42 <Rubidium> hmm... and incline of -1 is funny 21:25:43 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 21:25:47 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:27:48 <Rubidium> with negative incline's OpenTTD's one is (much) closer than TTDPatch's one 21:28:00 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:52 <TrueBrain> outside the image :o :o :o 21:28:56 <petern> there 21:29:07 <petern> ttdpatch default air drag done 21:29:32 <Prof_Frink> In a tunnel or not? 21:29:36 <petern> not 21:29:39 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:03 <petern> hm 21:30:19 <petern> i should fix it, some dodgy values can lead to infinite loops ;) 21:30:29 <TrueBrain> which values? :p 21:31:04 <Rubidium> an incline of -100% 21:31:09 <Rubidium> and many many more 21:31:25 <TrueBrain> it wasn't really a question :p 21:32:07 <TrueBrain> ha, it works :) 21:32:10 <TrueBrain> tnx Eddi|zuHause ;) (and the rest) 21:32:36 <TrueBrain> hmm .. sometimes it still leaks ... 21:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause> something is not right... when i change the incline, the graphs do not change... 21:34:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, it doesn't like "%" in it ;) 21:35:37 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image017.png 21:36:40 <Eddi|zuHause> NOO... "Service Unavailable" :p 21:37:52 <TrueBrain> how to fix leaks ...... 21:41:57 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com] has joined #openttd 21:50:06 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 21:50:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-65-34-177-131.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:51 <Nite_Owl> Hello all and a belated Happy New Year 21:51:40 <TrueBrain> hi Nite_Owl :) 21:51:59 <Nite_Owl> Hello TrueBrain 21:52:57 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5E256.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: is there a feature planned where you can rotate these maps 45°? because the game rotates them 45° back 21:55:02 <TrueBrain> not really, as that looks kind of ugly ;) 21:55:10 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 21:59:37 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-65-59.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 21:59:54 <gynter> hello, why I can't see any grf files, when running server on cli? 22:00:34 <petern> right 22:00:53 <FauxFaux> left 22:00:56 <glx> up 22:01:05 <gynter> should I use full paths? 22:01:12 <gynter> in config 22:01:36 <petern> Rubidium, fixed... it won't lock up now 22:01:39 <petern> poor server ;) 22:02:41 <gynter> but really? 22:03:20 <petern> what do you expect to see? 22:03:25 *** mindless [~Administr@75.110.39.179] has left #openttd [] 22:03:40 <gynter> I have grf files in config, but when I run server those aren't there 22:03:47 <gynter> in-game 22:03:54 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:09 <petern> if grf files are in data/ then specify just the grf filename 22:04:44 <gynter> i have config file as root directory where i run openttd -c conf.file and grfs are in data/ 22:05:02 <gynter> -D -c 22:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> is that the old "realistic" or the newly tweaked version? 22:05:55 <gynter> 0.6.3 22:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> not talking to you ;)= 22:06:10 <gynter> ah ok :P 22:07:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 22:09:21 <Belugas> mmh... something is really fucked up. INVALID DATA 22:09:35 <Belugas> maybe the processor has not been correctly configured then :( 22:09:45 * Belugas still searches 22:09:59 <Belugas> fun whan you can only do that between customers :( 22:10:12 <gynter> is the data directory /usr/share/games/openttd/ hardcoded? 22:10:18 <petern> error 14! 22:10:53 <petern> mind you 22:11:04 <petern> sometimes i get INVALID DATA when testing with 4444333322221111... 22:18:06 <gynter> hmh, just can't get it, works fine if I host server in-game 22:18:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-544465b0.lns4-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:20:31 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14817 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_text.h tar_type.h): -Cleanup: unify the place where the @file header is placed 22:21:42 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r14818 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r14723): add network_base.h to source.list and project files 22:22:02 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h205.74.20.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:37 <gynter> nevermind 22:23:02 <petern> THE BUZZCOCKS 22:23:21 <Prof_Frink> I was thinking Nirvana. 22:23:34 <petern> you were thinking of the cover, weren't you? 22:23:47 <Prof_Frink> ZOMG CHILD PORN. 22:24:13 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image018.png 22:24:18 <TrueBrain> :) :) :) :) 22:24:27 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem179.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:35 <WhiteRhino> Evening, folks. 22:24:46 *** vraa [~vraa@h127.188.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:08 *** joachim [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:43 *** AmanoJaku [White@modem178.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:39 <TrueBrain> Germany still leaks .. 22:26:55 <joachim> still with the flooding? 22:26:58 <AmanoJaku> Stupid connection. Seems to enjoy cutting me off over and over. 22:27:05 <TrueBrain> yup .. takes for ever to get right ;) 22:27:12 <joachim> :) 22:30:09 <joachim> is the daylength patched being considered for trunk? 22:30:18 <joachim> s/ed// 22:32:20 <petern> no 22:32:36 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem179.tmlp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:40 *** AmanoJaku is now known as WhiteRhino 22:32:42 <WhiteRhino> Finally. 22:33:31 <joachim> petern: why not? 22:35:03 <Rubidium> because it breaks the whole economy 22:35:34 <joachim> i guess it might 22:36:45 <joachim> but maybe the problems should be made dynamic so to fit the daylength patch or other modifications 22:37:12 <petern> a dynamic problem is a problem solved? 22:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the daylength patch startet out as a hack and did not evolve much beyond that 22:37:26 <joachim> the problem areas, sorry 22:37:41 <TrueBrain> hmm .. my sandbox idea sometimes requires .. 22:37:42 <joachim> i know it is alot of work 22:37:47 <TrueBrain> @calc 20000 * 20000 / 1024 / 1024 22:37:47 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 381.469726562 22:37:51 <TrueBrain> 381 MiB of RAM :p 22:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it was never clearly defined, which parts of the game should be considered day based 22:38:11 <joachim> is that a daylenght patch problem or a game problem? 22:38:13 <joachim> ;) 22:38:19 <petern> TrueBrain, just use bytes that can store 2^9 or more! 22:38:32 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, the patch should become even bigger, by making more scales of the game configurable 22:38:35 <TrueBrain> :) I should ask googder ... 22:38:40 <joachim> Eddi|zuHause: agree! 22:38:51 <petern> why not continue, surely if you can fit 2^9 into 2^8 then you can fit 2^12 into 2^11 into 2^10 into 2^9... 22:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: some people actually tried to patent that :p 22:39:47 <joachim> the game time was designed for 256x256 maps... 22:39:48 <petern> oh crap 22:40:32 <joachim> decades will pass while creating or redesigning networks now 22:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> take a compression algorithm that reduces the size of each string by 1 bit 22:40:50 <TrueBrain> Informatic Theorem ;) 22:40:56 <TrueBrain> (or how ever you write that in english) 22:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and apply that recursively :p 22:41:03 <Rubidium> joachim: it takes decades in real life too 22:41:38 <joachim> it does, but a decade in the game is missing 1/7 of the game 22:41:53 <joachim> in single player at least 22:42:02 <gynter> uhm, why server doesn't read [pathces] on cli with -c flag? 22:42:33 <joachim> in real life running a rail company takes thousands of people, Rubidium 22:42:42 <joachim> that's not what we want, is it? ;) 22:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use AIs for that :p 22:43:15 *** haXs [~H4Ck]z6]3@92.9.57.128] has joined #openttd 22:43:21 <haXs> Hello! 22:43:31 <TrueBrain> hello haXs 22:43:41 <haXs> quick question, is anyone able to take a screenshot from the console of a linux server? 22:43:51 <haXs> iv found that i no longer can 22:44:19 <joachim> there are probably millions on google images 22:44:27 <haXs> im useing 0.6.3 compiled from source 22:44:33 <joachim> :) 22:44:47 <haXs> sorry i mean i cant take them from my server, useing the screenshot command or even via rcon 22:45:04 <Alberth> haXs: ksnapshot? gimp? 22:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> haXs: that is because the dedicated server does not draw anything 22:45:15 <TrueBrain> it was never meant to work, to make screenshots from a dedicated server 22:45:52 <haXs> oh 22:45:58 <haXs> it always used to in older versions 22:46:09 <TrueBrain> we know :) 22:46:36 <glx> it was a "bug" 22:46:37 <TrueBrain> I always considered that a bug ;) 22:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> haXs: that was "fixed" ;) 22:46:42 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 22:46:55 <TrueBrain> haXs: the dedicated server is much faster when it draws as little as possible :) 22:46:59 <Alberth> gynter: -c flag is for giving an alternative place for an entire openttd.cfg file, not for just for patches (or pathces) 22:47:17 <gynter> i have full cfg, but [pathces] isn't read 22:47:27 <gynter> difficulty and patches are default values 22:47:33 <gynter> bur [network] is correct 22:47:36 <gynter> but * 22:47:40 <Rubidium> gynter: that's because OpenTTD doesn't read the [pathces] section 22:47:41 <TrueBrain> because it should read [patches] ;) 22:47:43 <Rubidium> and it never had 22:48:05 <gynter> [patches]* 22:48:07 <Rubidium> haXs: try changing the blitter 22:48:09 <haXs> thanks for clearing that up for me anway 22:48:35 <gynter> thou if I use same config to creater server without -D it works fine 22:48:50 <gynter> nevermind 22:48:52 <gynter> solved 22:48:53 <gynter> shoot me 22:49:08 <TrueBrain> if you really want to ... 22:49:18 <Rubidium> /shoot gynter 22:49:42 <Alberth> gynter: you'll have to wait until yorick is back 22:49:56 <gynter> got the source of my problem 22:50:03 <gynter> i use the scenario file.. 22:50:04 <TrueBrain> you? :p 22:50:05 <TrueBrain> hehe 22:50:05 <TrueBrain> :) 22:51:21 *** dageek [~dageek@87-194-2-213.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:51:47 <dageek> Hi All 22:51:56 <TrueBrain> hi dageek 22:52:26 <Zuu> hi dageek 22:52:29 *** dageek is now known as DaGeek 22:52:44 <DaGeek> hey TrueBrain & Zuu 22:53:25 <DaGeek> just after some info about ripping some game stats out of a running game 22:54:14 <Zuu> From PHP? 22:54:31 <Zuu> Then OpenTTDLib might be what you are looking for 22:54:43 <DaGeek> OpenTTDlibs ? 22:54:50 <DaGeek> soundz interesting... 22:56:35 <DaGeek> i have managed to get some details out of a running game using AutoPilot, I added a few Modz to AP and have got some .sh/.tcl scripts to pull out some info 22:57:03 <DaGeek> the info i am after is the 'Detailed Performance Rating' that can been seen in-game.. 22:57:23 <Zuu> OpenTTDLib gets mostly what is available on server page on www.openttd.org 22:57:27 <DaGeek> but i would like to get this data out of the game so that i can create a 'high score' system.. 22:57:55 <DaGeek> I have got all that data already via tcl & php 22:57:58 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:58:05 <DaGeek> and also php using raw UDP Sockets... 22:58:23 <Zuu> OpenTTDLib is a library that does just that. 22:58:35 <Zuu> (in PHP) 22:59:11 <DaGeek> then like i say, I can already do what OpenTTDLib does.... 22:59:53 <DaGeek> i just want to pull the Preformance rating stuff as well, since this is the only way i can see to 'score' the users of my server.. 22:59:56 <Zuu> For performance rating you probably has to make a custom built server that either adds a dedicated server command to get the rating or using some other interface. 23:00:37 <DaGeek> can the dedicated server pull this info and display it on the console of hte server already ? 23:00:52 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 23:01:06 <DaGeek> i guess it must be in there somewhere as it is shown tot he end user in-game.. 23:01:17 <Zuu> I don't think so, but haven't checked myself. 23:01:23 <DaGeek> i just need to know how i can access the info that is being shown tot he end user 23:01:41 <Zuu> I think you either have to find someone willing to share code for what you need or code it yourself. 23:01:58 <Zuu> Kurt is a multiplayer server that has something similar. 23:02:27 <DaGeek> really ? 23:02:45 <DaGeek> Kurt isnt online @ the mo... 23:03:01 <DaGeek> do you happen to know a www page for him that i might be able to look @ ? 23:03:03 <Zuu> Okay, and kurt himself is unreachable? 23:03:25 <Zuu> no, I don't know how to contact him. 23:03:32 <DaGeek> i have done some Google'in and have not found any scorein system for OTTD... 23:03:54 <Zuu> Don't even know what his user name on tt-forums is, but try search for users with "kurt" in the name. 23:05:01 *** flexd_ [~flexd@127.79-160-12.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:21 <DaGeek> umm, might have to go for a hunt and see if i can find him, see how he is doing it.. 23:05:56 <Zuu> Or if you know C++ take a look at the code straight ahead. :) 23:07:49 *** flexd [~flexd@127.79-160-12.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:06 <Zuu> Good night 23:10:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-53f3e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:00 <DaGeek> thank all for your help, im off to 23:11:11 *** DaGeek [~dageek@87-194-2-213.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:11:30 <petern> hmm, VT-95 doesn't get up to speed in any graph :/ 23:12:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-3-228-220.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:20 <Alberth> ah, you are talking about a locomotive, not a serial computer terminal 23:14:37 <petern> er, no :) 23:14:50 <petern> ah, MB tweaked the air drag to make it work, heh 23:15:12 <Alberth> I needed 5 minutes to discover that :) 23:16:04 <petern> really? 23:16:14 <petern> but you typed your line only 2 minutes after mine 23:16:32 <Alberth> hmm, I need to go to bed :) 23:17:07 <Alberth> anyway, how do you add two new sprites for the gui to openttd? 23:18:31 <petern> carefully 23:20:20 <Alberth> I hope so, doping this patch sequence for the 4th time already 23:21:02 <Alberth> -p 23:22:48 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:25:42 <Alberth> the images are simple 11x11 circular sprites and should present no problem. However I have literally no idea how or where to tell the program that I have two new sprites for use in the gui drawing. A seperate GRF file won't work (it is not guaranteed to be always there), are there other options or should I fall back to drawing a lot of lines at the proper place (which I do now)? 23:26:14 <Alberth> ie like the [<] and [>] buttons 23:28:00 <Rubidium> Alberth: checkout extra/ottd_grf 23:28:55 <Rubidium> then add the two sprites to split/openttdgui.pcx and to split/openttdgui.nfo (also increment the count in the action 5 by 2) 23:30:12 *** WhiteRhinoPSO [White@modem182.tmlp.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:26 *** WhiteRhino [White@modem178.tmlp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:30:32 *** WhiteRhinoPSO is now known as WhiteRhino 23:30:34 <Rubidium> in trunk open table/sprites.h, increment OPENTTD_SPRITE_COUNT by 2 and add two enums for both sprites with SPR_OPENTTD_BASE + index_of_sprite (147 and 148 in this case) 23:31:18 <Rubidium> and in the ottd_grf you can generate openttd[dw].grf using make and copy those to trunk/bin/data 23:33:12 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14819 /trunk/src/ (order_gui.cpp timetable_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): -Change: make details and order menu stickyable, like the timetable window. Also let the detail/order/timetable window close eachther, like the detail and order windows already did, when not stickied. 23:33:41 <Rubidium> then for the patch attach the new pcx and the diff of ottd_grf (as the pcx won't be in the diff) 23:35:39 *** gynter [~gynter@77-233-65-59.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:41 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14820 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp querystring_gui.h): -Codechange: use (the correct) enum-type instead of just int (Zuu) 23:44:25 *** entropy [~maeror@92.101.230.163] has joined #openttd 23:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... can i teach opensuse, instead of invoking the oom-killer, to add a swapfile? 23:44:45 <entropy> how can i adjust a number of industries/towns in dedicated server? 23:45:55 <Rubidium> by changing the difficulty settings for the number of industries/towns 23:46:37 <entropy> i don't have the gui 23:47:30 <Rubidium> you don't need the gui to change difficulty settings 23:48:40 <entropy> hm is it number_towns and number_industries? 23:48:40 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 23:49:17 <entropy> i changed it and it doesnt' work 23:49:19 <Rubidium> don't know that by heart; just look it up in the wiki 23:50:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.111] has joined #openttd 23:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> entropy: you need to set diff_level to 3 23:51:42 <entropy> THX 23:52:44 <glx> usual error :) 23:53:09 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:09 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should add that to your script :p 23:55:05 <entropy> things like "0,0,3,1,300,2,1,2,0,1,4,0,1,1,1,1,0,1" are slightly non-obvious x| 23:55:29 <Alberth> Rubidium: the openttdgui.pcx file seems to have 147 and 148 already in use. the .nfo also has two entries at those positions 23:55:33 <Rubidium> then use a more recent version of OpenTTD 23:56:10 <Rubidium> Alberth: sprites 0 and 1 are "metadata", which does not count towards the real sprites count 23:56:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.213.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:28 <entropy> it's 0.6.3 ) 23:58:34 <Rubidium> in the nightlies it's (much) more obvious what the numbers mean 23:58:57 <glx> entropy: the wiki has all the fields detailed IIRC 23:59:38 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Diff_custom 23:59:54 <entropy> cool, but i prefer the stable versions