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00:00:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:02:25 <Wolf01> and stations too, but they look really weird 00:02:49 <Wolf01> and with weird I mean really weird 00:03:53 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/sloped_stations_final.PNG 00:04:33 <Wolf01> this is the best I can do 00:05:21 <glx> you really need a new prop in grf spec :) 00:06:11 <glx> because current graphics are not good on slopes 00:09:03 <SmatZ> roadstops aren't that bad ;) 00:11:25 <fjb> I'm getting seasick... 00:12:33 <Wolf01> now I'll post the patch and the screenshot in the forum, maybe somebody will be interested and maybe I can get suggestions to improve it 00:23:40 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:24:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r15101 /trunk/ (32 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) 00:24:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Change [API CHANGE]: more consistant naming for consts: 00:24:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: INVALID_TOWN_RATING -> TOWN_RATING_INVALID 00:24:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: INVALID_TRANSPORT -> TRANSPORT_INVALID 00:24:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: INVALID_ORDER -> ORDER_INVALID 00:24:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: INVALID_GROUP -> GROUP_INVALID 00:24:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: GROUP_ALL/DEFAULT -> ALL/DEFAULT_GROUP 00:27:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r15102 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_event_types.cpp: -Fix (r15101): somehow makedepend fucked up (patch by Yexo) 00:29:25 <Wolf01> 'night to everyone 00:29:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77ED7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:11 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-138.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:48:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 00:48:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:05 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:51:06 <Belugas> George, let's make that house name callback 00:51:31 <Rubidium> a man with a mission (no, not Stacey) 00:52:20 <Belugas> ? 00:52:25 <Belugas> reference missing... 00:52:30 <Belugas> must google 00:54:23 <Rubidium> Dakar 2009, Hans Stacey's team uses MAN trucks and has "MAN with a mission" as slogan 01:03:27 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalof@bl7-190-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:03:32 <Belugas> :) a well of knowledge 01:06:15 *** vraa [~vraa@h13.190.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 01:13:49 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:23:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F3DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:23:22 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 01:33:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:33:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:33:31 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:49:38 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:28 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:40 *** athief| [~apettythi@dhcp-233-184.resnet.messiah.edu] has joined #openttd 02:11:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:11:44 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 02:22:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:34:16 <Belugas> mmh.. wonder if the callback should be availabe even when the house is not completed 02:34:20 <Belugas> might be interesting 02:43:12 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalof@bl7-190-245.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:15 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-24f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58:41 <Belugas> mmh... 02:58:42 <Belugas> done 02:58:44 <Belugas> but... 02:58:46 <Belugas> like... 02:58:57 <Belugas> feels a tiny bit wrong 02:59:09 <Belugas> let us sleep on it 03:01:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:13:32 *** uchennakema [~uchennake@pool-72-89-81-32.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:13:36 <uchennakema> sup gentlemen 03:13:38 <uchennakema> W 03:13:41 *** uchennakema is now known as RS-SM 03:15:40 *** RS-SM [~uchennake@pool-72-89-81-32.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:16:32 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-138.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 03:16:41 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet515.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:22 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-72-89-81-32.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:05 <Tefad> GENTLEMEN. 03:34:28 <RS-SM> behold? 03:34:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the correct phrase would be "how are you" 03:35:30 <RS-SM> anyway 03:35:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:35:36 <RS-SM> why are long units the best 03:35:46 <RS-SM> I mean they make epic truck runs possible 03:38:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:42:43 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h54.68.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:26 *** vraa [~vraa@h13.190.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:56:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:59:01 *** Mucht 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#openttd 07:38:42 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:39:00 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 07:46:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:11 *** Tim-itry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:25 <Tim-itry> Good Morning :) 08:01:32 <Alberth> good morning 08:02:20 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba56c9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:02:40 *** Tim-itry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:56 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:09:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:09:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:28:49 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined 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[~steven@84-245-22-198.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 10:18:20 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@150.214.221.241] has joined #openttd 10:18:26 <Terkhen> good morning 10:18:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:26 <frosch123> "GROUP_ALL/DEFAULT -> ALL/DEFAULT_GROUP" <- somehow that does not fit into the others :s 10:19:51 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:22:33 *** Tim-itry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:50:45 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:56:30 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:00 <TrueBrain> frosch123: haha, wrongly typed :) 10:57:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:57:04 <TrueBrain> shit happens ;) 10:58:08 <frosch123> :) 10:58:30 <frosch123> you might fix it on the forums then :) 10:59:37 <TrueBrain> do I have to? :( 11:00:05 <TrueBrain> there you go 11:00:09 <TrueBrain> pff .. all this effort :) 11:02:03 <petern> every day there is an API change post :p 11:05:55 <TrueBrain> don't you just love it? :) 11:06:01 <TrueBrain> I really do hope it is the last one though ... 11:06:26 <TrueBrain> stupid enough, in the NoAI branch I asked 3 (!) times if anyone had anything spotted which should be removed .. none ... not a day after trunk-merge, I have more reports than time to fix :( 11:06:52 *** Tim-itry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:06:53 <TrueBrain> short to say: branches are stupid test-beds 11:07:08 *** Tim-itry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:09 <Gekz> lol 11:08:30 <petern> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7832647.stm 11:08:32 <petern> bwahah 11:08:35 <Alberth> maybe branches should be build automagically as well? (as branch-nightlies) 11:09:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B769E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:49 <TrueBrain> Alberth: eeuhh... they are 11:09:52 <TrueBrain> but tnx for the suggestion 11:14:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76085.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:10 <Forked> ellooo 11:19:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B769E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75BAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 11:27:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76085.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:03 <frosch123> poor DorpsGek, totally overworked 11:37:50 <petern> hmm? 11:37:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:39:20 *** De_Ghosty [~s@76-10-155-181.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 11:41:25 <petern> # someone left the cake out, in the rain 11:41:36 <petern> #i don't think i can take it, cos it took so long to bake it 11:42:09 <petern> # and i'll never have that recipe again, oh no 11:49:44 <petern> haha, weird al's version :D 11:53:33 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-24f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:10:48 <planetmaker> hm... we got an assertion on our public server with r14996. 12:11:00 <planetmaker> (I know, it's old...) 12:20:07 <planetmaker> well... same in r15097. 12:20:25 <planetmaker> 12:07 <@valhallasw> openttd: /home/openttd/svn-public/src/train_cmd.cpp:2864: bool VehicleOrderSaver::SwitchToNextOrder(bool): Assertion `order != __null' failed. 12:20:46 <FauxFaux> Newgrf etc? 12:22:23 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:23:05 <planetmaker> openttd: /home/openttd/svn-public/src/train_cmd.cpp:2851: bool VehicleOrderSaver::SwitchToNextOrder(bool): Assertion `order != __null' failed. 12:23:16 <planetmaker> in r15097. I'll make a bug report, I guess... 12:24:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: train to catch] 12:29:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:29:08 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad38356.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:13 <SmatZ> planetmaker: please do :-) 12:30:19 <planetmaker> just did 12:30:24 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad9f9d5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:30:34 <planetmaker> I attached the save which requires to run for a minute or so before it happens. 12:30:53 *** Tim-itry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:34:39 <tosse> is there a way not to let the game end at 2050? 12:34:54 <planetmaker> tosse: just end the game. Nothing easier than that, or? 12:35:15 <Zuu> tosse: Eh, just click to close the newspaper and you continue 12:35:30 <planetmaker> doh. _not_ end... 12:35:34 <planetmaker> :D 12:35:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.194.78] has joined #openttd 12:36:07 <Zuu> Enable vehicles never expire and you can play to year 500000 or so (have forgoten how many zeros it was) 12:36:31 <Zuu> After that year, you can still play, just that the years doesn't count up. :) 12:36:58 <Rubidium> 5 million 12:37:16 <roboboy> just like ttd used to at 2050? 12:37:26 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@150.214.221.241] has quit [] 12:37:44 <Zuu> And if you ever reach year 5 million and want to have years that increase at derember 31, use the year cheat to get back in time every now and then. 12:45:56 <petern> might be good for Rob :) 12:46:04 <petern> (except that he's a ttdpatch user) 12:50:00 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15104 /trunk/src/ (57 files in 6 dirs): -Codechange: unify the resolving of the xyz kbytes/megabytes strings. 13:03:15 * petern ponders unifying his lunch 13:03:59 <SmatZ> hehe 13:04:10 <Rubidium> into an acid liquid in your stomach? 13:04:25 <petern> yeah 13:04:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:48 <petern> so it's MiB for all :/ 13:04:51 <petern> grrr 13:05:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:10 <petern> what about those who call them Octets? 13:05:20 <petern> oh, they're not here :D 13:05:39 <SmatZ> :-) 13:07:26 <roboboy> gnight 13:07:47 <SmatZ> night roboboy 13:07:50 <petern> also 13:07:59 <petern> 2^60? 13:08:01 <petern> hehe 13:08:13 <SmatZ> 8-) 13:09:01 <OwenS> Octets? What about nonets! :P 13:09:01 <petern> i guess we'd need a uint128 to go any further... 13:09:40 <OwenS> GCC has one IIRC. I don't know if it's only on x86_64 and I don't know whether you can do arithmetic with it or not 13:10:10 <petern> generally you use a bignum library after 64 bits... 13:10:34 <SmatZ> typedef unsigned int uint128 __attribute__ ((mode (TI))); 13:10:44 <SmatZ> but it's supported only at 64bit archs 13:11:02 <OwenS> And it's mainly used for quickly shoving data around with SSE 13:12:18 <SmatZ> OwenS: http://www.ohse.de/uwe/articles/gcc-attributes.html#var-vector_size isn't this better for vectors? 13:12:48 <OwenS> Shoving data around with SSE, not manipulating it 13:13:10 <OwenS> As in, just telling the compiler to use SSE loads and stores to move data 16bytes at a time 13:14:03 <SmatZ> ok, I have never tried to code SSE code in gcc... I just do things in ASM... 13:14:11 * OwenS wants to know how his loop is going from 1002 to 17735940 13:14:19 <SmatZ> http://www.ohse.de/uwe/articles/gcc-attributes.html#type-aligned with this 13:14:20 <OwenS> I'm becoming vary familiar with GCC's inline ASM :p 13:14:39 <SmatZ> :) 13:14:41 <OwenS> Though I guess it comes with the kernel land territory 13:14:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has joined #openttd 13:14:51 <petern> why not just write in assembly? 13:15:01 <OwenS> Because then GCC can't inline it 13:15:08 <petern> i seeeee 13:15:42 <George> Sorry for delay. I was ill. But now I feel myself much better and I'm back. Hope to see Belugas ;) 13:16:03 <George> frosch123: Could you have a look? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2546 13:16:27 <frosch123> already doing so :) 13:16:49 <George> I tried to make a code as you've suggested, but it looks more difficult than I expected 13:17:18 <George> I had to provide at least 10 states instead of 8 :( 13:17:25 <OwenS> inline void* __GetVector(int num) { void* vec; asm("movl %es:%[num], %[dest];" : [dest] "=r" (vec) : [num] "r" (num * 4)); return vec; } 13:17:36 <OwenS> I typed that off the top of my head though ;-) 13:17:43 <OwenS> And woops, %fs not %es 13:19:33 <OwenS> It's a pain in the arse debugging code at -O3 also -_- 13:21:24 <SmatZ> why are you debugging at -O3 then? 13:21:38 <OwenS> Because it doesn't pagefault without it 13:21:41 <SmatZ> I hope you use recent version of gcc, too 13:21:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.194.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:23 <SmatZ> pagefault 8-) /me likes peformance optimisations so code doesn't pagefault :-) 13:25:17 <OwenS> As in, pagefault when accessing an unmapped address 13:25:31 <OwenS> Made worse by the fact that the code which is pagefaulting is fiddling with the page tables 13:25:33 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has joined #openttd 13:26:11 * Zuu is happy he isn't fiddling with ASM at all 13:26:32 <OwenS> It's actually faulting in C code 13:26:55 <petern> a pagefault is for mapped access 13:27:04 <petern> a protection fault is unmapped 13:27:19 <petern> page faults being normal 13:27:20 <frosch123> George: hehe, looks like you will get trouble in the vehicle list in any case 13:27:27 <OwenS> Processor exception 15, page fault, pushed condition code indicates page is unmapped 13:28:24 <George> frosch123: I see, but I hope you'll invent something for this case ;) 13:28:55 <OwenS> The x86 General Protection Fault is mainly for segment violations 13:29:13 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has quit [] 13:29:17 <petern> "On the x86 architecture, accesses to pages that are not present and accesses to pages that do not conform to the permission attributes for a given page (protection faults as described above) are both reported via the page fault processor exception." 13:29:36 <petern> general protection fault != protection fault :) 13:30:02 <petern> so protection fault is distinct from page fault, except x86 reports it the same way 13:30:02 <OwenS> Exactly. It's pagefaulting, and getting to my pagefault handler, which is rightly Panic()ing because the kernel can't page fault 13:30:27 <petern> well it just did :) 13:32:50 * OwenS builds i586-elf-gcc again (GCC 4.3.2 instead of .1) 13:36:33 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:39 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 13:39:33 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.170.155] has joined #openttd 13:41:28 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:51 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:44:26 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:49 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:52:51 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:05 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:02:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r15105 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix (r15104): signed/unsigned warning 14:03:29 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:09:39 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 14:09:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:13:13 *** Zuu [Zuu__@c-24f6e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:35 <George> Hi, Belugas! 14:17:10 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Eating kladdkaka] 14:17:24 <petern> Belugas! protest! 14:18:21 <frosch123> lol, mb still did not get it :s 14:18:36 <petern> indeed 14:18:53 <petern> but DaleStan did 14:20:46 <petern> it's simple enough to add separately, i have a patch that does so 14:21:03 <petern> but the nfo spec does not mention anything about MaxTE for powered wagons 14:21:26 <petern> although i'm of the opinion that powered wagons are obsolete now 14:21:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you shouldn't add the max_te, but the resulting force 14:22:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. sum(min(force from power, force from max_te)), instead of min(sum(force from power), sum(force from max_te)) 14:23:18 <petern> yes we know that 14:23:44 <frosch123> [15:23] <petern> but the nfo spec does not mention anything about MaxTE for powered wagons <- you can just define maxte for any wagon, whether it is powered or not 14:23:54 <frosch123> though that totally fails for the current implementation :p 14:24:11 <petern> yes, you can, but stuff doesn't :) 14:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> with the real implementation, it would make perfect sense... 14:24:27 <petern> mind you, dbsetxl is broken in regards to powered wagons anyway 14:24:42 <frosch123> it what way? 14:25:18 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> dbsetxl probably outdates half of the powered wagons features 14:25:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [] 14:25:41 <petern> there was a bug in ttdpatch with regards to the nfo spec 14:25:45 <petern> dbsetxl followed ttdpatch 14:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like 4 years old now? 14:25:48 <petern> ttdpatch got fixed 14:25:55 <frosch123> ah, ok :) 14:25:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:26:26 <petern> to do with 0x40, heh 14:26:32 <Gekz> moo 14:29:06 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:14 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:19 <petern> ah, r1553 of ttdpatch 14:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> max_te should have a direct correlation to the braking power, shouldn't it? 14:31:00 <petern> i believe so 14:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. when doing an emergency brake 14:31:17 <petern> that's another thing that's messed up in ottd :D 14:31:32 <petern> and of course the fact that there are no braked wagons 14:33:37 <petern> frosch123: hence the ice3 has masses and masses of power 14:33:56 <frosch123> never transport passengers :) 14:34:12 <frosch123> +I 14:34:31 <petern> hmm, did we ever do wagon-aging? 14:34:36 <petern> er 14:34:36 <frosch123> yes 14:34:37 <petern> expiring 14:34:39 <frosch123> recently :) 14:34:41 <petern> ok 14:34:49 <petern> i remember trying it but it not working very well 14:35:14 <frosch123> I was quite surprised that all existing newgrfs supported it 14:35:21 <George> frosch123: I did not understand your comment on FS2546 - how can GRF change it? 14:35:28 <frosch123> err, all existing newgrfs on my harddisk 14:35:54 <frosch123> George: that comment was not for you :) it describes what's wrong in ottd 14:36:05 <petern> yes 14:36:10 <petern> i tried doing that once before 14:36:19 <petern> but didn't achieve it very well 14:36:34 <petern> in theory it would save a little cpu time 14:36:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:37:12 <frosch123> but only when zoomed out 14:37:24 <petern> no 14:37:33 <frosch123> no? 14:38:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15106 /trunk/src/ai/ai_scanner.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: printf-ing of garbage. 14:38:52 <petern> GetImage() is called for every moment of every vehicle 14:39:20 <petern> doesn't matter if it's in view or not 14:39:26 <worldemar> petern: even if it is not displayed? 14:39:42 <frosch123> yes, but it would be enough if it was called only when displayer, wouldn't it? 14:39:48 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:46:11 <petern> ah, you meant it could be changed do that 14:46:39 <Belugas> hello all 14:47:33 <frosch123> hello belugas :) 14:48:09 <frosch123> ah different issue is that vehicle lists, depots, ... use the same GetImage() but just use the other orientation 14:48:41 <frosch123> which looks quite weird for various newgrfs, e.g. av8 or also the testgrf in fs2546 14:49:54 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@194.154.168.252] has joined #openttd 14:50:13 <petern> yeah 14:50:17 <frosch123> maybe those should use a set of default values for various variables, plus an extra variable (maybe callback info) to indicate list-view 14:50:31 <petern> they could, but is it worth it? 14:50:46 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@194.154.168.252] has quit [] 14:51:19 <frosch123> don't know, but there is also a separate purchase view :) 14:51:36 <petern> yeah 14:52:02 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:52:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:53:50 <TrueBrain> do we have a function to make a std::string lowercase? 14:54:02 <frosch123> oh, cur_image is heavily used by effectehicles 14:54:25 <petern> so? 14:54:55 <frosch123> kind of animation stage 14:55:01 <petern> yeah, but that can stay 14:55:20 <petern> could be a reasonable performance boost on dedicated servers.... 14:55:56 <SmatZ> frosch123: it is saved in savegame 14:56:17 <frosch123> hehe, desyncs :) thought about the same 14:56:29 <SmatZ> :) 14:56:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r15107 /trunk/src/ai/ai_scanner.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: don't use so much explicit string copies if it is not required 14:56:43 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:56:43 <frosch123> toyland syndrome 14:56:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r15108 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix: TarAddLink didn't lowercase strings, breaking tar-loading when using uppercase files 14:57:42 <petern> Eddi|zuHause likes linefeeds 14:58:19 <frosch123> hmm, linefeeds... I need to shop food today... 14:58:22 <petern> hmm, desyncs based on not having the correct cur_image? 14:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it looked differently in the edit window... 14:59:56 <petern> :) 15:00:15 <SmatZ> :) 15:02:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truebrain * r15109 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_tile.cpp ai_tile.hpp ai_tile.hpp.sq): -Add [NoAI]: add AITile::LevelTiles (Yexo) 15:06:13 <edeca> Is NoAI in trunk now? 15:06:53 <frosch123> yes, Sleeping Beauty :) 15:07:06 <edeca> Heh 15:07:21 <edeca> Time for me to start a new game with it then! 15:07:37 <frosch123> if you find an ai that works :p 15:08:01 <edeca> Ah, problem then :) 15:08:11 <Yexo> only wrightai works atm 15:08:24 <edeca> Thanks, I'll look for it tonight 15:10:01 * petern wonders if he can get away with having a kebab tonight 15:11:06 <Eddi|zuHause> that's trivially easy, you go out the door, 2 street corners, and say "einmal komplett mit allem" 15:11:21 <edeca> petern: Have two. 15:11:43 <Rubidium> petern: as long as you don't eat it days after eachother it should be fine 15:13:20 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has joined #openttd 15:13:28 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:14:58 <frosch123> "Well, for max_TE > P/v (which is always the case), itÂŽs the same." <- maybe we should remove max_TE then ... 15:16:04 <petern> i've not had one for monthes 15:16:52 <petern> heh, that statement makes no sense 15:17:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:49 * Belugas thinks he tries to gain credibility 15:18:12 <petern> v is the same! haha 15:18:17 <petern> obviously :D 15:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i had to read that multiple times... 15:21:02 * petern ponders adding continuous TE as well 15:24:20 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Mortal] 15:24:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:26:54 <petern> hmm, maybe he's hung up on max speed still 15:27:03 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:14 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:28:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:29:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has joined #openttd 15:29:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has quit [] 15:29:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has joined #openttd 15:33:25 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:35 <dihedral> tada 15:35:07 <petern> hmm? 15:35:49 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:43:40 <Belugas> George, regarding the hnc *house name callback*, i was wondering if you would require the callback to occur even when the house is not completed? 15:48:44 <George> Belugas: why not? (I mean possible, but not a must) 15:50:20 <Belugas> ok 15:50:41 <Belugas> it's easy to do, just wondering if it was required :) 15:50:44 <petern> does house completion affect much? 15:51:08 <Belugas> not that i remember :) 15:51:47 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:07 <petern> didn't think it was a relevant question 15:54:04 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:09 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has joined #openttd 16:00:28 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:45 *** vraa_ [~vraa@h54.68.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:06:55 <frosch123> maybe the architect is not sure how the house will turn out :s 16:11:27 <Rubidium> maybe there's no money during the build so they settle for something less 16:12:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15110 /trunk/src/gfxinit.cpp: -Fix: reading the shortname of graphicssets always missed the first character. 16:12:51 <Belugas> or maybe the grf write could advertise which step of the construction we are in... 16:13:02 <Belugas> or the time left before the house is completed 16:13:14 <Belugas> or wahtever would suits his imagination... 16:13:28 <Belugas> and we know that George has a very fertile one ^_^ 16:13:31 <frosch123> OTOH if you play around 1170 they might start with some cheepish tower, and it will turn out as the tower 16:14:02 <frosch123> (of pisa) 16:14:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15111 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix: when scanning a path and saying it should ignore tars, it didn't do so 16:15:02 <frosch123> hmm, but true, during construction not all variables are valid, while there are others 16:18:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like curches, where they switch building style halfway through? 16:19:39 <Belugas> mmhh... so if ever, we would need to provicdea way to block callbacks to use unsafe vars 16:19:49 <Belugas> like we do for industries, i guess 16:19:54 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: or they stop building all together 16:20:05 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:20:58 <frosch123> hmm, there is already a "construction stage" variable, so the rest should already have been dealt with 16:22:40 <frosch123> "biggest cathedral of the world [under construction]" -> "unfinished ruin" :p 16:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> which one is that? 16:24:24 <frosch123> I had none specific in mind, but AFAIK several collapsed during construction 16:25:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a different problem ;) 16:27:14 <Belugas> petern. do you have an information about the bin ranges of corporate cards for amex.visa and such? 16:27:30 <Belugas> i have 3 ranges for amex, but wondered if there are more 16:27:30 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:27:38 <Belugas> and no clue about the other cards 16:27:56 <yorick> is callback 37 called for the vehicle purchase list? 16:29:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15112 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix (r15108): transform should include algorithm as that's where it's from. Furthermore not including it gives compile errors for some 16:29:26 <frosch123> cb 37 is a industry callback :) 16:29:27 <yorick> 36* 16:29:29 <frosch123> so.. no 16:29:38 <yorick> heh 16:29:56 <frosch123> 36, yes, but maybe with weird interpretations 16:31:12 <frosch123> search for "GetEngineProperty" if you want to know more 16:31:24 <yorick> k 16:32:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15113 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp win32.cpp): -Codechange: unify calling ScanForTarFiles when determining the paths. 16:38:00 <petern> Belugas: i have them somewhere 16:39:06 <yorick> meh, no cargo capacity for planes? 16:39:40 <frosch123> yorick: cb 15 16:39:54 <petern> ere it's from. Furthermore not including it gives compile errors for some 16:39:54 <petern> 16:29 < frosch123> cb 37 is a industry callback :) 16:39:56 <petern> er 16:39:58 <petern> wtf 16:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 16:40:17 <yorick> frosch123: isn't that only called for refits? 16:41:21 <frosch123> ah, you meant cargo including passengers/mail 16:41:25 <Belugas> petern, whenever you can find them, it would be very appreciated :) 16:42:09 <petern> hmm, but i'm starving 16:42:39 *** Zorn [zorn@e177232069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:11 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:48:18 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet600.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:49:30 *** Zorn [zorn@d138004.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:55:17 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:17 <apPlus> Autopilot engaged 16:55:17 <apPlus> Starting new game named 'autopilot test server' 16:55:17 <apPlus> Landscape is temperate 16:55:17 <apPlus> Map is 256 tiles north to south by 256 tiles east to west 16:55:17 <apPlus> Starting year is 1950 16:55:18 <apPlus> @revision r15113 16:55:21 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:55:57 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:57 <apPlus> Autopilot engaged 16:55:57 <apPlus> Starting new game named 'autopilot test server' 16:55:57 <apPlus> Landscape is temperate 16:55:57 <apPlus> Map is 256 tiles north to south by 256 tiles east to west 16:55:57 <apPlus> Starting year is 1950 16:55:57 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:06 <yorick> ban :) 16:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> err... 16:56:22 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:22 <apPlus> Autopilot engaged 16:56:22 <apPlus> Starting new game named 'autopilot test server' 16:56:22 <apPlus> Landscape is temperate 16:56:22 <apPlus> Map is 256 tiles north to south by 256 tiles east to west 16:56:22 <apPlus> Starting year is 1950 16:56:23 <apPlus> @revision r15113 16:56:23 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:28 <Rubidium> @op 16:56:34 <yorick> @fail 16:56:40 <Rubidium> stupid bot 16:56:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 16:59:30 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 17:04:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:04:28 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:28 <apPlus> Autopilot engaged 17:04:28 <apPlus> Starting new game named 'autopilot test server' 17:04:28 <apPlus> Landscape is temperate 17:04:28 <apPlus> Map is 256 tiles north to south by 256 tiles east to west 17:04:28 <apPlus> Starting year is 1950 17:04:29 <apPlus> @revision r15113 17:04:29 *** apPlus [~apPlus@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you wanted to put a ban, Rubidium? 17:04:59 <Rubidium> yup... 17:05:04 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@dslb-088-065-184-023.pools.arcor-ip.net] by petern 17:05:12 <Rubidium> but /ban ~.... failed 17:05:27 <Rubidium> and /kb doesn't work when the person isn't there 17:05:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051107253.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:58 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:11:12 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't set bans often, i presume :p 17:16:42 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Bonn 17:18:53 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: if he would be TB, you would have already been banned 17:19:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i would have phrased the statement differently then :p 17:26:32 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: don't underestimate the power of /ignore 17:29:38 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:14 <TrueBrain> frosch123: don't think so bad about me :( 17:39:13 * frosch123 pondered answering "practice is always good" but reconsidered. 17:39:28 <TrueBrain> hehe 17:39:39 <TrueBrain> "I am not going to tell you that, blablabla :p" 17:39:41 <TrueBrain> I love such statements 17:39:43 <TrueBrain> either way: FOOD! 17:43:22 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:47:17 <Eddi|zuHause> what i meant to say was: when i want TB to kick me, i know how to properly say that :p 17:47:43 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:48:53 <dihedral> apologies - had a comma instead of a dot in the config... :-S 17:50:19 <Belugas> you mean apPlus was your creation? 17:51:09 <dihedral> yes 17:51:22 <dihedral> is 17:51:37 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:51:47 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:51:57 <dihedral> LOL 17:52:00 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:52:04 <dihedral> well done world 17:52:07 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:52:17 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:52:27 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:52:27 * dihedral waits 17:52:29 <dihedral> haha 17:52:37 <el_en> hello world 17:52:39 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:52:41 <dihedral> nono 17:52:47 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:52:59 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:53:00 <dihedral> you know what oftc will do with ya, right? 17:53:07 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:53:16 <el_en> more ban practise for Rubidium 17:53:20 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:53:23 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:29 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:53:42 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:53:50 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:54:02 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:54:10 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:54:24 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:54:25 <el_en> isn't that enough already? 17:54:28 *** worldemar [~world@85.114.170.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:31 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 17:54:46 *** world [~world@213.178.41.216] has joined #openttd 17:55:12 <Forked> to be continued 17:55:15 <world> so sorry fow that! 17:55:41 <world> i was sleeping while my identify script fights agaunst nickserv 17:56:07 <dihedral> "fights"? 17:56:21 <dihedral> like, your identify script is fighting for the right password? 17:56:31 <dihedral> like, bruteforcing? 17:56:38 <world> why password become incorrect? 17:56:42 <dihedral> like, you do with with all accounts 17:56:55 <world> i logged in this evening and all was okay 17:57:23 <world> and... why this nickname...? 17:57:31 *** world is now known as worldemar 17:57:40 <Forked> and then your nickname was.. worldemar .. not world? 17:57:41 <Forked> :) 17:58:14 <Prof_Frink> Hello, worldemar 17:58:20 <worldemar> 21:51:36] * worldemar already in use. Retrying with world... 17:58:36 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:45 <worldemar> * fixed 17:58:46 <dihedral> worldemar, the setting of your client, regarding 'secondary' or 'alternative' nick 18:00:03 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:01:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:34 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:08 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has joined #openttd 18:06:40 *** Araldo [~ciclone@88-149-246-139.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #openttd 18:06:45 <Araldo> hello :D 18:08:39 <SmatZ> hello 18:09:02 <Araldo> Guys why i don't have any train "maglev"?? I can build depot and stations with railway for maglev 18:09:24 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba56c9.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:09:29 <Araldo> but if i build the railway, it' use normal rail (for diesel-elect) 18:09:51 <Araldo> and when i try to buy trains from the depot, i can choose only 2 diesel trains 18:09:59 <Araldo> i've got openttd 0.61 18:10:04 <Araldo> 0.6.1 18:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to click and hold the rail button 18:10:19 <Araldo> ok 18:10:20 <Araldo> ok 18:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> then chose maglev from there 18:10:24 <Araldo> and choose maglev 18:10:27 <Araldo> yes i know 18:10:41 <Araldo> i build depot and stations for maglev.. 18:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> then the rail icons change from standard rail to maglev rail 18:10:53 <Araldo> but the railway are "normal" 18:11:25 <Araldo> hold on, i show you a screenshot 18:12:28 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Maglev <- maglevs look like this 18:12:59 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:09 <Araldo> pls look here 18:13:10 <Araldo> http://88.149.246.139:5050/screen%20openttd.jpg 18:13:26 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:14:12 <petern> it's like being on a modem 18:14:27 <el_en> i bet for him especially :) 18:14:40 <worldemar> maybe we just do it all together) 18:14:57 <Araldo> yeah 18:15:05 <Araldo> ahaah hold on 18:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i was just wondering if it's my line or his that is so slow :p 18:15:10 <worldemar> Araldo: really a modem? 18:15:13 <Araldo> i upload it to image 18:15:46 <Belugas> hoo... too bad... i always love to abuse bandwith :( 18:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Araldo: for future screenshots, type Ctrl+S in the game 18:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it won't make a .jpg, but a .png 18:16:22 <TrueBrain> type? :p 18:16:32 <Araldo> ahahah ;D ok 18:16:41 <Araldo> hold on, i'm uploading it to imageshack 18:16:47 <worldemar> heh if it be png... will be much more slower :) 18:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> 8 bit pngs are not bigger than artificially-32bit-ified jpgs 18:17:42 <worldemar> Eddi|zuHause: hmm, that's true 18:17:45 <Araldo> http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenopenttdif4.jpg 18:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and jpg is horrible for anything that is not a natural photo 18:18:01 <Araldo> http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenopenttdif4.jpg 18:18:06 <Araldo> sorry :D 18:18:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:18:39 <frosch123> hello Wolf01 :) 18:18:47 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba56c9.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:50 <Wolf01> hello 18:18:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:19:10 <el_en> well now that's a scaled-down screenshot, which is not funny. 18:19:18 <frosch123> is that narrow rail? 18:19:29 <worldemar> Araldo: hey, you building "normal rails" and they are normal as it should be 18:19:46 <Quaver> reppin' png http://www.silverfang.net/bigstation.png ;) 18:19:47 <frosch123> no, the title says "xxxx maglev" 18:19:49 <worldemar> but menu says maglev... 18:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, apparently, you loaded the "narrow gauge rail" grf 18:19:58 <angelo> does transporting mail have any impact on town growth? 18:19:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it replaced maglev tracks 18:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> angelo: as does any other kind of transport 18:20:41 <angelo> cause on wiki it only mentioned passengers 18:20:52 <angelo> and goods 18:21:03 <Araldo> i give you another screens take from the game (ctrl+s) 18:21:20 <Araldo> http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drendingworthtransport2kz5.png 18:21:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Araldo: go to the newgrf settings 18:21:36 <Araldo> you can see maglev stations and depot 18:21:40 <Araldo> ok 18:22:14 <Araldo> im in newgrf settings :D 18:22:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there you should see the narrow gauge rail grf 18:22:42 <worldemar> depot is not maglev) 18:22:50 <worldemar> it is narrow 18:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> remove it from the list 18:23:54 <Araldo> i can't see it 18:24:53 <Araldo> i have: Dutch station set, Industrial stations renewal, new large hq, us trai set version 0.87.4 and canadian trainset 18:24:54 <worldemar> screenshot this list ;) 18:24:57 <Araldo> ok 18:25:28 <Araldo> http://88.149.246.139:5050/Drendingworth%20Transport%2C%2023%20Dic%202000.png 18:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> note that you should not use two train sets at the same time 18:25:41 <Araldo> ah ok 18:25:44 <Araldo> i remove canadian :D 18:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and the list is longer, you have a scroll bar on the right 18:26:06 <el_en> yeah, it's not a real country anyway 18:26:09 <Araldo> waiiiiiit 18:26:12 <Araldo> aahahha :D 18:26:15 <Araldo> yea yea 18:26:18 <Araldo> sorry ahahah 18:26:21 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.193.69] has joined #openttd 18:27:15 <Araldo> look this: http://88.149.246.139:5050/Drendingworth%20Transport%2C%209%20Feb%202001.png 18:28:15 <Eddi|zuHause> DB Set is also a trainset 18:28:27 <Araldo> ok :D 18:28:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and i think the canadian set contains narrow gauge, but i'm not sure 18:28:58 <Araldo> canadian remove sure :D 18:29:08 <SHRIKEE> blame canada 18:29:20 <worldemar> yeah 18:29:22 <Araldo> now i have to choose from us trains and db 18:29:24 <Araldo> hmm :D 18:30:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the dbset has a maglev which can only transport passengers, mail, goods and valuables, no other cargos (coal, steel, etc.) 18:30:22 <Araldo> ok :D 18:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know about us set 18:30:53 <worldemar> large hq o_O 18:30:56 *** SHRIKEE was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [prrrrrrrrrrrrrt! Canada attack] 18:30:56 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:05 <el_en> congratulations canada for your new, 24-hour clock. 18:32:11 <Araldo> ok i'm upgrading to 0.63 18:32:18 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.3.131.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:28 *** mortal`` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:32:41 *** mortal`` is now known as mortal 18:32:47 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.56.133] has joined #openttd 18:33:50 <Belugas> 24 hour clock? 18:33:58 <Belugas> ENOPARSE 18:34:36 <el_en> the phrase from rick mercer's "talking to americans". 18:36:03 <Araldo> ok now i have lock the maglev. whats years i need to try it? 18:36:07 <Araldo> 2020 is good? 18:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that, yes 18:36:22 <Araldo> ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh yeah! 18:36:29 <Araldo> thank you guys :D 18:36:30 <worldemar> he got it ;) 18:37:20 <Araldo> eheheh yes :D (sorry for my poor english :) ) 18:39:04 <el_en> Belugas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydw4kj9P90w 18:39:18 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:18 <Belugas> o_O 18:43:09 <Belugas> DaleStan, please, confirm me that all americans are not that stupid please... 18:43:23 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:40 <DaleStan> *blink* *blink* 18:45:55 <DaleStan> May I move to Canada now? 18:46:07 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B802B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:46:41 <DaleStan> At least I don't live in Iowa. 18:46:43 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:46:49 <Belugas> arms wide open :) 18:47:25 <DaleStan> And no, not all of us are quite that stoopid. (unintentional typo preserved.) 18:48:26 <Belugas> i can easily imagine :) 18:49:02 <Belugas> by the way, dress up well on your arrival, it's freakingly freezing in here 18:49:48 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 18:49:51 <petern> pom te pom 18:57:16 <TrueBrain> LALALA! 18:57:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:10 * worldemar loves beat like "tux tux tux" 19:03:36 <petern> what? 19:13:28 <Rubidium> general English question: what's the inverse of dependency; A depends on B so but B ... A 19:14:43 <Eddi|zuHause> really difficult... 19:16:50 <Rubidium> if it would be easy I would most likely known it myself ;) 19:17:05 <Rubidium> or could've found it quite easily 19:17:08 <Belugas> B controls A? 19:17:25 <Belugas> nnaaaaa 19:17:27 <Prof_Frink> The opposite of depends: is conflicts: 19:17:28 <worldemar> B is needef for A 19:17:42 <petern> provides, if it's a debian package ;) 19:17:46 <el_en> is there a word for that in dutchish? 19:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> worldemar: that is passive, not really what was asked ;) 19:18:03 <petern> actually that's something else 19:18:05 <petern> meh 19:18:31 <Rubidium> petern: provides is for the meta packages 19:18:40 <petern> yeah i know 19:18:45 <Rubidium> like mailserver and then sendmail provides mailserver 19:21:00 <frosch123> allow, enable, facilitate ? 19:22:17 <yorick> `` 19:22:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:51 <Rubidium> libc depends on libgcc so libgcc [allows|enables|facilitates|is needed for] libc 19:23:09 <Belugas> support (?) 19:23:09 <Rubidium> so "is needed for" seems to be the best option 19:23:25 <Belugas> demands (?) 19:23:52 <Prof_Frink> reverse-depends. 19:24:01 <Rubidium> demands is a synonym for depends on 19:27:02 <petern> just switch the words around ;) 19:28:45 <Rubidium> that might look odd, but I can always try ;) 19:29:37 * worldemar can't remember when he ate last time... going to eat to fix it) 19:29:53 <Rubidium> you should fix your memory 19:30:46 <el_en> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1305 http://englishrussia.com/?p=1240 19:30:54 <Belugas> mmh... what if we indeed add thge snowline setting, as http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2545 suggests... I wonder what else "someone" would ask to add to it... 19:35:00 <frosch123> all advanced and map settings :) town-road-layout, town-size, industry-number, ... 19:35:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F4BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:22 <fjb> Hello 19:35:28 <frosch123> moin :p 19:35:34 <Belugas> yup 19:35:38 <Belugas> exactly my though 19:35:43 * frosch123 almost said "hello" 19:35:47 <fjb> Quak frosch123 19:36:06 <Belugas> strapzm, fjb 19:36:31 <fjb> str..waht? 19:36:38 <fjb> what 19:36:56 <frosch123> OTOH Belugas: those settings might in fact be useful, just that usually noone cares about the SE. but as there is a patch in this case... 19:37:46 <Belugas> mmh 19:37:50 <Terkhen> mmm... I didn't thought about more map settings being asked when I did the patch 19:38:02 <frosch123> though I did not tested it, nor took a look at it :) 19:38:41 <Belugas> indeed not, obviously, Terkhen... it has been in my mind for a few moments already... 19:39:01 <Belugas> one thing : what exactly is the motivation for that patch? 19:40:22 <Wolf01> there's anybody who knows how to use a css for a page on mediawiki? 19:41:49 <Terkhen> when you start creating a new scenario without using random generation, you can do almost everything: place industries, towns, etc... so other map settings aren't so useful (and you can place random towns and industries already anyway), but you can't change the snowline after starting a scenario 19:41:54 <Belugas> otoh, frosch123, only the landscaping stuff would eventually be added, like height of water, level and such. road layout, trees and all are more regarding the scenario, not really landscape 19:42:38 <Belugas> well.. 19:43:26 <Yexo> Belugas: adding height of water is not usefull for creating a flat map :p 19:43:45 <George> well, I'd suggest "is required" instead of "is needed", Rubidium 19:44:00 <Belugas> right, Yexo 19:44:28 <Belugas> by the way, Terkhen, you did thye same mistake as yorick, adding stuff that is not required for the patch 19:44:34 <Belugas> name of widgets, that is... 19:44:45 <Belugas> should have been on a patch of its own ;) 19:45:21 * SpComb wonders how to handle publishing doxygen files for a project 19:45:36 <SpComb> it wouldn't really make sense to regenerate them for every commit 19:45:49 <Terkhen> mmm... it can work without naming the widgets? it's my first time trying to do something with the gui 19:46:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C158.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:46:56 <Belugas> -{ WWT_IMGBTN_2, RESIZE_NONE, COLOUR_ORANGE, 10, 86, 24, 78, SPR_SELECT_TEMPERATE, STR_030E_SELECT_TEMPERATE_LANDSCAPE}, 19:47:06 <Belugas> +{ WWT_IMGBTN_2, RESIZE_NONE, COLOUR_ORANGE, 10, 86, 24, 78, SPR_SELECT_TEMPERATE, STR_030E_SELECT_TEMPERATE_LANDSCAPE}, // CSCEN_TEMPERATE 19:47:11 <George> TTDP Wikiy says that Shorter train vehicles (prop 21) is up to 05 and larger numbers will not work properly, except at the end of the train. And would value 06 work in OTTD for the vehicle in the middle of consist? 19:47:12 <Belugas> that's what i mean 19:48:25 <Terkhen> oh, I see 19:48:31 <Terkhen> I can correct it as needed 19:49:40 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.56.133] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:22 <frosch123> George: OTTD conforms 100% to the wiki in that case 19:50:58 <George> so, shorter RVs are not possible? 19:51:41 <frosch123> OTTD does not allow grfs to define shorter vehices. Whether they could work I have no idea. 19:52:24 <George> I wanted to code a part in the middle of the articulated bus as a single part 19:52:26 <frosch123> I only know that longer vehicles will never work :) 19:54:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15114 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h): -Codechange: Add support for 8 byte action7/9 data, used as a mask for GRFID checks. 19:54:19 <George> Would it be possible to allow 06? 19:54:47 <petern> ukroadset works again 19:57:09 <petern> shorter vehicles may work, but 5 is already pretty short 19:59:52 <Araldo> have to go :B 19:59:59 <Araldo> bye bye :D anche thank you :D 20:00:04 <Araldo> *and 20:00:21 *** Araldo [~ciclone@88-149-246-139.dynamic.ngi.it] has quit [] 20:04:46 * SmatZ 's "remove duplicates" code removes all items except one :-/ 20:05:33 <worldemar> who knows what optimal train length? 20:05:42 <SmatZ> for (size_t z = 0; z <= i; z++) if (r[z] != s[z]) continue; 20:05:44 <SmatZ> hahahah 20:06:07 <worldemar> i mean, i make all my trains and all stations 5-squares length 20:06:37 <SmatZ> it depends... 20:07:14 <Aali> the optimal train length is the one that gives you the most money per time unit :P 20:07:19 <frosch123> worldemar: you shall always have a train loading, and AFAIK you should minimise the duration from start of loading to delivery 20:07:27 <SmatZ> (yes, I know I should sort the data and then compare to have O(n * log(n)) complexity...) 20:07:44 <SmatZ> or even O(n * d) with radix sort :-p 20:08:01 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 20:08:19 <frosch123> SmatZ: I thought SmallVector is our favorite template? 20:08:50 <frosch123> :p 20:08:57 <SmatZ> frosch123: http://paste.openttd.org/178931 I use something a bit different ;) 20:09:09 <SmatZ> not for OTTD though... 20:09:12 <SmatZ> for school :-p 20:10:14 <frosch123> but OTTD style :) 20:10:19 <SmatZ> yeah :) 20:10:59 <frosch123> no, actually not 20:11:04 <thingwath> function names in czech is the OTTD style? 20:11:37 <SmatZ> :-P 20:12:47 <frosch123> anyway, does your lecturer actually know about templates? 20:13:01 <George> petern: I wrote the place for shorter part (connector) 20:13:28 <SmatZ> frosch123: sure :-) 20:14:57 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E402.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:42 <frosch123> ok, I knew why I discontinued computer science :) 20:16:00 <SmatZ> :-D 20:16:49 <SmatZ> programming isn't really my primary "Fachrichtung" 20:16:59 *** RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@dhcp-077-250-020-084.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:23 <frosch123> actually that was after 90 minutes discussion why the cancel button should be the preselected button for deletion-confimation :s 20:17:49 <SmatZ> heheeheh 20:17:56 <thingwath> why there should be some confirmation for deletion? :) 20:18:02 <SmatZ> :-D 20:20:06 * frosch123 still wonders why smatz used a german word above ... 20:20:40 <SmatZ> because I don't know the English word :-P 20:20:55 <Belugas> that was german? i though he sneezed :) 20:21:03 <SmatZ> :_D 20:21:11 <goodger> heh 20:21:34 *** RvGaTe [~rvgate-de@dhcp-077-250-020-084.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:21:55 <goodger> SmatZ: you're probably looking for "field of expertise" [CV], "field", "area", "competency" [marketing drone] 20:22:40 <SmatZ> goodger: that's it, thanks :-) I wasn't sure "field" or "area" can be used with this meaning... 20:23:25 <SmatZ> I know electrostatic field, area around me, town zone (maybe :) ... but that's something really different :) 20:23:26 <goodger> I'm sure sneezing will be sufficient 20:23:33 <SmatZ> :-) 20:23:42 <goodger> context is a wonderful thing 20:24:42 * petern puts fleetwood mac on 20:24:50 <petern> (i'd rather that, than jack) 20:25:57 <petern> hehe, first "no ai" bug report ;) 20:26:07 <petern> well, problem, i suppose 20:26:17 <goodger> "'no AI' is literally true" 20:27:44 <frosch123> "Time for the daily update" <- next AI to download :p 20:30:32 <Mucht> src/train_cmd.cpp:2851: bool VehicleOrderSaver 20:30:33 <Mucht> ::SwitchToNextOrder(bool): Assertion `order != __null' failed. 20:31:27 <frosch123> do you have a train without orders? 20:31:38 <frosch123> in that case likely already reported :) 20:33:28 <petern> hmm 20:33:43 <petern> anyone working on 2546? 20:33:44 <Mucht> frosch123: we are checking 20:33:45 * Belugas is on badCat, again and again 20:33:53 * Belugas checks 2546 20:34:15 <frosch123> no 20:34:31 <Belugas> nope either 20:36:14 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:44 <Mucht> frosch123: indeed, empty order 20:40:40 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:32 <Belugas> Terkhen, don't mind the widget numbers, i'm doing them right now 20:47:05 <Terkhen> oh, okay 20:47:07 <Terkhen> thanks :) 20:52:07 <petern> # although the sun is shining 20:52:10 <petern> # high above 20:52:19 <petern> # there's one thing on my mind 20:52:20 <petern> # you my love 20:52:39 <fjb> Not Solaris? 21:02:56 <Belugas> hehe.. fro Bad Cat, i'm on Bar Horsie :) 21:03:04 * worldemar wonders who petern adressed that nice comment 21:04:44 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:05:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-147-178.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:07:25 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:07:29 <Belugas> to you my lobve 21:09:06 <Belugas> meeee... i've got a coat on my legs, and i'm still freezing 21:09:23 <Belugas> not to mention the one on my shoulders... 21:09:36 <goodger> Belugas: go get some silver foil 21:11:10 * SpComb yawns 21:11:37 <Prof_Frink> Belugas: Set yourself on fire. 21:12:41 <SpComb> always useful advice 21:12:42 <petern> anyone up for a savegame bump? 21:13:01 <petern> cur_image still being a uint16 when it should really be a SpriteID... 21:14:56 <Belugas> that's for 2546? 21:15:09 <frosch123> does that cause problems with the effectvehicles? 21:15:26 <petern> not really 21:15:40 <petern> they'll all be below 64k... 21:15:55 <petern> hmm 21:15:56 <SmatZ> could it cause problems? 21:15:56 <petern> yeah 21:16:09 <petern> it should be a spriteid, because spriteids are stored in it 21:16:11 <petern> but 21:16:14 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.56.133] has joined #openttd 21:16:19 <petern> 64k should be enough ;p 21:16:38 * Prof_Frink needs about ten times that. 21:17:09 <SmatZ> hmm how can it work? 21:17:28 <SmatZ> if there is over 64k sprites and you define new vehicle? 21:17:44 <petern> most vehicles have their sprites recalculated on load 21:17:49 <petern> effect and disasters don't 21:18:08 <SmatZ> Vehicle::cur_image is uint16, too 21:18:12 <frosch123> so you can leave it 16bit in the save, as only effectvehicles need saving :p 21:18:33 <petern> SmatZ: that's what i changed 21:18:40 <frosch123> or just rename it for effectvehicles and put it in some union 21:18:49 <petern> rename? 21:18:57 <petern> it *is* a spriteid for effectvehicles 21:19:14 <frosch123> oh, ok 21:19:27 <SmatZ> I think it would be nice to have it saved correctly 21:19:36 <frosch123> I thought it was abused like engine_type was for bubbles 21:19:49 <petern> nope 21:20:22 <petern> could save it as file_u16 | var_u32 21:20:53 <petern> it's not saved for normal vehicles at all 21:20:55 <SmatZ> or introduce another variable :-P 21:21:03 <petern> why? 21:21:12 <SmatZ> so it doesn't have to be saved 21:21:27 <SmatZ> I don't know if this can't cause problems in the future 21:21:36 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> who thinks about the future anyway. 21:22:49 *** dvs [~iloveme@p5B28F7C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:58 *** dvs is now known as davis 21:23:00 *** davis is now known as davis_ 21:23:14 *** davis_ is now known as davis- 21:24:32 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.56.133] has quit [Quit: http://www.chogie.eu] 21:26:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r15115 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Documentation: Add some widget enums to the widget array definition (Terkhen). 21:27:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B767DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:36 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C158.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:29:56 <worldemar> if i build railstation exactly at center of the city, will it grow slower? 21:30:29 <Yexo> iirc a town doesn't grow if the tile under the sign is not normal road 21:31:08 <worldemar> dosen't? 21:31:22 <worldemar> i.e. it will not grow at all? 21:31:41 <Yexo> either it grows normally or it doesn't grow at all 21:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> the town growth algorithm walks along the roads from the town center 21:31:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> until it finds a suitible spot for a house 21:32:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:09 <worldemar> so, center _should_ be a piece of road? 21:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> if the tile under the town center is not road, it can never find a place 21:32:16 <frosch123> someone[tm] should change that :p 21:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> it _must_ be a piece of road 21:32:48 <worldemar> if there is a house at center tile? 21:33:00 <Yexo> there will never be a house at the center 21:33:07 <Rubidium> then you've hacked the savegame or the binary 21:33:12 <worldemar> mmm, nice) thanks) 21:33:28 <Yexo> every town starts with a road at the center, and if you delete that road, it won't grow anymore, so there'll never be grow a house there 21:33:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:33:38 <worldemar> seems like i just killed one town by destroying it's center by my station) 21:34:01 <worldemar> ou, one more question 21:34:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you can remove the station and put the road back ;) 21:34:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 21:34:28 <worldemar> may i "help" city to grow by expanding it's roads by my roads? 21:34:32 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: What if that house was built by a nearby town expanding after the player demolished the original town? 21:34:32 *** vraa [~vraa@h25.81.141.67.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:34:34 <Yexo> yep 21:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that helps 21:36:41 <worldemar> okay, i demolished some area at center, is it possible to know what exact tile is "center"? 21:36:55 <Yexo> the tile under the name 21:37:07 <Yexo> but it'll rebuild road there by itself, just give it some time 21:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> note: the tile UNDER the sign, not BEHIND the sign. similar to the station sign, it is placed slightly higher 21:39:37 <worldemar> if city is not so big, and all roads are "circled" (haven't "free ends" to be expanded), and all roads are surrounded bu houses. algorithm wil not find a place for new house. growing stops? 21:40:24 <petern> yeah 21:40:30 <petern> until a house is removed 21:41:38 <Prof_Frink> Yep, Dundingham has a house on its centre tile. 21:44:14 <worldemar> sometimes houses are being rebuilded (one tile in town are automaically demolished and new house appears), when it should happen, and how i can speedup/slowdown that? 21:44:38 <worldemar> at all, why does town do it? 21:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> why not? 21:49:23 <petern> my glass is empty :( 21:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that's worse than half empty 21:50:00 <petern> it is 21:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you should let the air out 21:50:28 <worldemar> damn, you just daid that... now i want to drink. 21:50:31 <worldemar> d=s 21:50:38 <worldemar> >_< 21:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> samn? 21:50:49 <petern> srink? 21:50:52 <goodger> "samn, you just sais that... now I want to srink" 21:50:53 <goodger> :S 21:51:03 <petern> :D 21:51:06 <worldemar> >_<""" 21:51:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r15116 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader.cpp: -Fix (r1): company money weren't correctly converted from TTD(P) savegames 21:51:23 <goodger> moral of the story: be careful with your regexen 21:52:06 <petern> especially in a channel full of pedants 21:52:31 <goodger> *nod* 21:52:57 <petern> hmm, transparent putty on to of desktop winamp visualisation 21:53:00 <Prof_Frink> "-Fix (r1)" :D 21:53:07 <petern> s/ to / top / 21:53:39 <goodger> better. 21:53:41 <petern> goodger, should we ignore that "d=s" is not a regexp? 21:53:50 <goodger> yeah 21:53:59 <goodger> well, it is technically 21:54:11 <Prof_Frink> It's highly irregular. 21:54:29 <goodger> valid, though 21:54:38 <goodger> even if it only selects the string "d=s" 21:54:42 <worldemar> well, i am not experienced in regexps) 21:55:34 * Belugas runs home!! 21:55:39 <Belugas> LIBERTY LIBERTY!!!! 21:58:21 <petern> enjoy 22:01:43 <Belugas> will :) same to you 22:02:52 <petern> hmm 22:03:05 <petern> i wonder if anyone will ever make a visualisation system actually respond to music... 22:04:26 <goodger> there were a very few in WMP9 that worked properly 22:04:35 <janitor> i think people have done that already 22:04:52 <janitor> in many, many ways 22:10:41 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[~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:06:38 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:08:02 <TrueBrain> wb vs241204.vserver.de 23:08:13 *** Guest796 [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:08:13 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 23:09:24 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 23:10:31 *** dih is now known as dihedral 23:12:49 <dihedral> thanks TrueBrain 23:14:14 <valhallasw> hehe 23:15:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:52 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:16:16 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/sloped_almost_all_fixed.png AH-HA!!!!!!! 23:17:17 <goodger> oooooh 23:17:21 <goodger> very nice 23:17:42 <worldemar> great 23:18:02 <Yexo> nice Wolf01 23:18:23 <Wolf01> now I should fix that stupid road bay 23:19:51 <Wolf01> IMO roads are perfect 23:20:20 <worldemar> yep 23:21:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:35 <Wolf01> also the train stations at the bottom... they are like a Picasso's painting, maybe one day I'll be famous like him for those stations 23:21:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:23:16 <el_en> or sued by atari 23:24:25 <goodger> heh 23:24:31 <goodger> atari have little else to do 23:24:38 <goodger> they'll be the SCO of the 2010s 23:28:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:42 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F7C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:27 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@45.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 23:34:11 <Wolf01> PBS debugging is fixed too, now it shows the correct trackbit on sloped stations 23:35:47 <thingwath> hm, sloped strange station is very strange idea 23:37:38 <Wolf01> tell it to them: http://www.abcnapoli.com/trasporti/funicolare_napoli/funicolare_start.JPG 23:38:00 <worldemar> hahah 23:38:08 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38:26 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:38:47 <worldemar> it's subway, i guess 23:39:00 *** Runr [~Runar@87.248.29.249] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 23:39:03 <thingwath> I mean for trains, I can imagine sloped bus stop :) 23:39:23 <Wolf01> http://www.funivie.org/funigallery/albums/userpics/10340/vert.JPG or to them :DDDDD 23:39:26 <thingwath> and funiculars are not present in openttd (at least without newgrf :)) 23:40:08 <Prof_Frink> We need proper funiculars. Water powered. 23:40:18 <Wolf01> in OTTD all trains are funiculars... did you see any train climbing a 30° slope without at least rack & pinion? 23:41:25 <thingwath> No :-) 23:43:24 <thingwath> But how would you do switching and shunting in such a station, that would be highly impractical :) 23:43:38 <Wolf01> brakes... strong brakes 23:44:20 <Rubidium> in OpenTTD's reality the brakes are very efficient 23:44:23 <Wolf01> ehm... do we have switching and shunting on OTTD? No, where's the problem then? :D 23:44:46 <thingwath> I just said it looks _strange_ :) 23:44:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Driver failures, yay. ;_; ] 23:45:21 <thingwath> there are many strange things in openttd :) 23:46:07 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37E57F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:18 *** Tim is now known as Tim-itry 23:48:05 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-201-163.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 23:51:09 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...]