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00:06:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15134 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15126): not selecting dependencies when pressing "select update" 00:10:00 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F458.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:41 <SpComb> bah, mail clients are not the penultimate evolution goal of software programs 00:13:03 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:31 <Aali> so I set basecosts 2A, 2B and 2C but the running cost of my trains have not increased, where could I have gone wrong? 00:20:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C884.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@54.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [] 00:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be forbidden to change basecosts... 00:26:08 <Aali> err, I'd like my OTTD to be atleast somewhat challenging 00:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it should be like that in itself 00:27:48 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, the changes you did might be overwritten by another newgrf 00:29:10 <Aali> I put my basecosts grf last for that very reason 00:29:37 <Aali> hmm, I'll try another trainset 00:30:11 <Ammler> Aali: most newgrfs use already a higher basecost 00:30:25 <Ammler> you might have done the opposite and lowered it :-) 00:30:34 <Aali> nope, checked for that too 00:30:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:30:51 <Ammler> Aali: which trainset? 00:31:41 <Aali> oh, got it to work, nevermind :P 00:32:06 <Aali> grf parameters with leading zeroes get mangled somehow 00:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76ECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B752B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:08 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Mortal] 00:42:42 <Aali> Ammler: hey, you wrote that other basecosts mod, didn't you? 00:42:57 <Ammler> other? 00:43:18 <Aali> dunno what it was called, its in the grfpack :P 00:43:32 <Ammler> basecosts.grf :-) 00:43:37 <Aali> right 00:43:45 <dihedral> lol 00:43:48 <Belugas> everyone likes to change basecost 00:44:05 <Aali> what does it modify and how much can you configure using grf parameters? 00:44:23 <Ammler> Aali: the wikipage about should still exist 00:45:08 <Belugas> 'cmon man... it's so easier to just ask... 00:46:08 <Aali> found it, it's not mentioned in the grf description though 00:47:11 <Ammler> glx didn't code the clickalbe links yet ;-) 00:47:47 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@pool-72-89-81-32.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 00:52:20 <Ammler> hmm, who ownes a grf which are made by 2 or more? 00:52:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-218-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:56 <Belugas> 2 or more 00:53:00 <Belugas> like...make a team 00:53:04 <Ammler> yep 00:53:14 <Ammler> design by X, code by me 00:53:54 <Ammler> iirc, I am allowed to upload only grfs which I own ;-) 00:53:56 <Aali> and it is odd code at that 00:53:59 <Aali> :P 00:54:17 <Ammler> Aali: basecosts? 00:54:23 <Aali> yes 00:54:38 <Ammler> indeed, 00:55:16 <Aali> all those action7's when a simple action6 could've done it :P 00:55:18 <Ammler> I am quite sure, it is possible to make that nicer. 00:57:02 <Ammler> well, I prefer coding something ugly then not. 00:57:11 <Belugas> ... 00:57:28 <Aali> maybe I should release my basecosts grf when its done.. 00:57:46 <Ammler> should be quite easy 00:58:13 <Aali> but configuring it is a bitch so I don't expect people to be able to use it properly :( 00:58:40 <Ammler> that is why I never reviewed it :-) 00:59:29 <Ammler> I thought about multigrfs, one basecosts grf per type rail/road/plane etc. 00:59:40 <Aali> yeah, thats probably the way to go 01:00:06 <Ammler> but the dynmic newgrf pool doesn't support it, so... 01:00:32 <dihedral> Aali, it would be fine if you had the grf split into categories 01:00:46 <Aali> I crammed the 27 most important basecosts into one grf but, well.. even I can't configure it properly, so :P 01:00:46 <dihedral> i.e. one for water, one for air, one for rail, one for misc 01:02:17 <Ammler> and another problem we had, the foundation costs are based on terraforming 01:02:37 <Aali> yes, that sucks 01:02:55 <Ammler> well, add a new basecost for :-) 01:03:34 <Aali> oh I will 01:03:55 <Aali> or atleast make it not depend on terraform cost 01:04:04 <Belugas> i suck you suck he sucks she sucks we suck you suck 01:04:38 <Ammler> no that sucks? 01:04:53 <Belugas> YOU SUCK 01:04:58 <Ammler> :-) 01:05:14 <Belugas> ho.. i like it... keep on going ... ho hohoh!!!! 01:05:34 <Zuu> Ammler: According to the discussion about bananas, there was ideas for how to handle multiple authors, so just give it time. :) 01:05:48 <Zuu> "the discussions" = discussions before today 01:06:13 <Zuu> In the very top secret NoAI channel :-) 01:06:20 <Ammler> oh, I assume so :-) 01:09:52 *** FRQuadrat [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 01:10:51 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:13 *** keiya [~kyevan@pool-71-98-6-23.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:38 <keiya> is there any reason we can't have 45º track on slopes, besides "that's how it's always been"? 01:12:20 <Ammler> keiya: that is possible 01:13:06 <keiya> Ammler: It is? 01:13:22 <Ammler> well, depense, what you mean with it, I guess. :-) 01:13:28 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:13:57 <keiya> I mean track going up-down or left-right, instead of parallel to the grid. 01:15:08 <keiya> "check online content"? That's new. 01:37:22 <Ammler> good night all 01:46:47 *** FRQuadrat [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 01:46:48 *** zilfondel [~chatzilla@h-67-100-125-124.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #openttd 01:53:18 <canidae> hmm... any known bug with trains and heading for depot for servicing in latest nightly? 01:53:38 <canidae> latest nightly = r15130 01:54:19 <canidae> had a bunch of trains with 0% reliability, but sending them to a depot is no problem 01:55:12 <canidae> seemingly after they either been replaced by newer engines or visiting the depot they're comfortable heading there for servicing on their own, though 01:57:14 *** wgrant [~wgrant@c122-108-27-22.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:02:28 <zilfondel> can you download previous nightlies precompiled? 02:03:50 <zilfondel> can anyone answer my question? 02:04:06 <Belugas> it makes little sens to me 02:04:15 <Belugas> why precompiled? 02:04:27 <zilfondel> because thats not really my thing... 02:04:47 <zilfondel> I wanted to take a peek at the public server game going on 02:04:53 <Belugas> nighlies are compiled 02:04:54 <zilfondel> but I don't have any software dev tools on this laptop 02:04:57 <Belugas> not pre-complied 02:05:01 <zilfondel> r15097 02:05:04 <Belugas> what's precompiled? 02:05:08 <zilfondel> thats what I meant 02:05:11 <zilfondel> I'm not a programmer 02:05:21 <zilfondel> I meant already compiled :P 02:05:28 <Gekz> binaries. 02:05:29 <Belugas> ho boy... 02:05:30 <worldemar> hmm, looks like it's 6:05 am... i have to go sleep ;) 02:05:31 <Gekz> wooters. 02:05:34 <zilfondel> lol 02:05:36 <Gekz> zilfondel: go to the nightly page 02:05:38 <Gekz> and look for your OS 02:05:41 <Gekz> and click download 02:05:44 <zilfondel> I'm an architect dammit! lol 02:05:50 <Gekz> I'm sure I missed 8 steps 02:05:55 <zilfondel> ok 02:06:04 <Belugas> thus, the house will crumble! 02:06:13 <Gekz> click download nightly 02:06:18 <Gekz> on the top of the page 02:06:32 <zilfondel> yeah but its r15130? 02:06:42 <Gekz> yes and? 02:06:52 <zilfondel> do you need the older one to play on the public server? they are running r15097 02:06:58 <zilfondel> I thought they weren't compatible 02:07:02 <zilfondel> ...? 02:07:03 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 02:07:13 <Gekz> well if you need an older one, you'll have to le gasp, compile it 02:07:19 <zilfondel> mmm 02:07:22 <zilfondel> thats what I thought 02:07:29 <Gekz> lol 02:07:30 <Gekz> wait 02:07:31 <zilfondel> oh well it was a nice thought :) 02:07:45 <Gekz> windows? 02:07:48 <zilfondel> vista 02:07:51 <Gekz> 32bit 02:07:53 <Gekz> ro 64 02:07:54 <zilfondel> yeah 02:07:56 <zilfondel> 32 02:08:04 <Gekz> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r15097/openttd-trunk-r15097-windows-win32.zip 02:08:06 <Gekz> kiss my feet. 02:08:27 <zilfondel> *kiss *kiss *kiss *smooch 02:08:30 <zilfondel> :D 02:08:39 <zilfondel> thanks Gekz! youre the best man 02:08:46 <Gekz> lol 02:09:03 <zilfondel> ooh whats a zip 02:09:13 <zilfondel> (j/k) 02:09:15 <zilfondel> :) 02:09:23 <Belugas> garg.... Gekz was too fast :( 02:09:26 <zilfondel> hahahahha 02:09:44 <zilfondel> I've been lurking for at least 3 years... 02:09:48 <Gekz> Belugas: I am useful 02:09:53 <zilfondel> figured I'd give multiplayer a go 02:09:53 <Gekz> Belugas: you've just never witnessed it 02:09:58 <Gekz> _until now_ 02:10:05 <Gekz> multiplayer is fun 02:10:10 <Belugas> hehe 02:10:15 <Belugas> point taken 02:10:17 <Gekz> I thought I was absolutely destroying my friend on a 128x128 map 02:10:20 <Gekz> with 4 airports 02:10:24 <Gekz> he then made about 600 busses 02:10:25 <zilfondel> I actually met a friend in the real world who plays openttd so I was pretty stoked 02:10:32 <Gekz> I got destroyed 02:10:34 <zilfondel> oh lol 02:10:39 <Gekz> lol 02:11:11 <zilfondel> is there a way to assign orders to more than one vehicle at a time w/out using shared orders? or clone vehicle w/shared orders? 02:11:23 <Gekz> just click goto 02:11:26 <Gekz> then click on that vehicle 02:11:27 <zilfondel> yeah 02:11:30 <Gekz> copies its orders 02:11:33 <zilfondel> but then you have to click over 600 times 02:11:37 <Gekz> yeah 02:11:38 <zilfondel> can you do like 100 at a time? 02:11:38 <Gekz> good times 02:11:42 <Gekz> make one with the orders 02:11:43 <zilfondel> yeah... :P 02:11:45 <Gekz> then clone it in the debpot 02:11:48 <Gekz> depot* 02:11:52 <zilfondel> then shared orders 02:11:58 <zilfondel> yeah I already do that 02:11:58 <Gekz> that makes it shared? 02:12:02 <Gekz> well there you go. 02:12:17 <zilfondel> I was hoping for a higher-level mgmt system, since you can group vehicles 02:12:28 <Gekz> there probably is 02:12:35 <Gekz> I just havent paid that much attention to such things 02:12:39 <zilfondel> would make the game really useful... 02:12:45 <zilfondel> yeah I havent either. 02:12:52 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause would know 02:12:55 <zilfondel> but 600 buses just brought nightmares to my mind! 02:12:55 <Gekz> crazy german 02:14:59 <zilfondel> yah it works! 02:15:42 <Gekz> woo. 02:16:22 <Gekz> hey Belugas, has a debian repo ever been considered being set up? 02:16:22 <Belugas> mmh... never really played with that goup stuff, although i've heard it's quite good 02:16:32 <Belugas> dunno Gekz 02:16:37 <Belugas> not aware 02:16:39 <Gekz> because that would be sweet 02:16:49 <Belugas> i'm a windows guy, you kow... 02:16:50 <Gekz> just typing apt-get update; apt-get install openttd-trunk 02:16:52 <Gekz> would be cool 02:16:57 <Gekz> YOU HELL HOUND YOU 02:17:00 <Gekz> lols 02:17:23 <Belugas> i THINK i've heard blathijs working on it or something, but there's nothing sure about that 02:17:49 <Gekz> it would be really easy 02:17:49 <Belugas> donb't take my words on it 02:20:08 <Gekz> I could make a script for it 02:20:12 <Gekz> would be simple I dare say 02:20:49 <Belugas> don't even know what a debian repo stands for 02:21:08 <Belugas> and no... i don;t want to know either! 02:21:14 <zilfondel> hey thanks guys I really appreciate it 02:21:20 <zilfondel> looks like I can prob get into the game 02:22:15 <zilfondel> yes. 02:22:41 <Gekz> lol 02:22:51 <Gekz> Belugas: you fail at the world! 02:22:54 <Gekz> lols 02:24:24 <Belugas> hey ..i know what i need to know... If i've told you my octopus needs to be changed, would you understand? 02:25:18 *** Katy [4b69d1c3@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:25:29 <Katy> hello 02:26:39 <Belugas> hwllo 02:26:40 <Katy> ia anyone there? 02:26:51 <Katy> there is 02:26:53 <Belugas> 100 people actually 02:26:58 <Gekz> Belugas: depends on what kind of octopus 02:27:00 <Katy> yea true 02:27:01 <Belugas> mostly ghosts, granted... 02:27:16 <Zuu> Gekz: Checkout autostart in #openttdcoop that is a shellscript for getting nightlies or from SVN. 02:27:29 <Belugas> nope, Gekz, if yo know me, you should know there is only one correct definition 02:27:37 <Belugas> that's all my point! 02:27:48 <Katy> what are you all talking about?? 02:28:02 <Zuu> Gekz: Or if you want to write it yourself take a look on finger.openttd.org 02:32:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:18 <Katy> lalalalala 02:37:15 <Katy> im bored 02:37:28 <Belugas> learn to code and patch 02:37:39 <Katy> what?? 02:37:45 <Belugas> i'm not bored and it's what i do 02:38:06 <Katy> but i dont know what you are talking about 02:38:31 <Belugas> in other words... DO SOMETHING! 02:39:17 <Katy> i am 02:39:19 <Katy> kind of 02:39:31 <Belugas> people who are in this channel are most of the time playing the game, or coding for the game 02:39:42 *** Zorn [zorn@e177231149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 02:39:44 <Belugas> so... that's what i've told you 02:39:54 <Belugas> learn to code and patch 02:39:57 <Belugas> tralalala 02:40:21 <Katy> but i dont know what you are talking about. what the heck is code and patch???? 02:40:33 * goodger buries face in hands 02:40:56 <Katy> ?? 02:40:57 <goodger> Katy: you are aware of computer programming using code, yes? 02:41:19 <Katy> uhhh 02:42:10 <Katy> im not that good with computers 02:42:13 <Katy> im learning 02:42:49 <goodger> right. 02:43:12 <Katy> what do you mean by that? 02:43:59 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:11 <goodger> well, clearly your stage of learning about computers is quite early if you're unaware of the concept of programming them 02:44:41 <Katy> yea 02:44:46 <Katy> ill have to ask my friend jt 02:45:11 <Katy> hes a huge geek, surrounded by us nerds (im a nerd, same as most of my other friends) (lol) 02:45:18 <Gekz> hmm 02:45:19 <goodger> er.... 02:45:38 <Katy> yes? 02:45:39 <goodger> ask him his opinion on dynamic typing 02:46:11 <Katy> let me see if he is online 02:46:24 <goodger> I'd be most interested to know the response 02:46:37 <goodger> you must enforce a time limit so there's no possibility of him looking it up, though 02:46:45 *** Zorni [zorn@e177231149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:34 <zilfondel> lol 02:47:41 <Katy> im sure he knows what it is, he did make something for our school computer system 02:48:06 <zilfondel> I think wikipedia is what the doctor ordered! 02:48:43 <zilfondel> I will magnaminously allow someone else to post the link to "computer programming" 02:48:56 <goodger> allrighty 02:49:07 <goodger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_programming 02:49:10 <zilfondel> lol 02:49:18 <zilfondel> Katy, go there ^^^ 02:49:26 <goodger> it's not that difficult once you memorise the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ bit 02:49:29 <Katy> mmk 02:49:39 <zilfondel> I'm actually surprised that you could get onto IRC without more knowledge... 02:50:04 <zilfondel> boy, I remember back in the day... 02:50:42 <zilfondel> this is cool guys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H96566k.jpg 02:50:55 <goodger> back in my day, we whistled into acoustic couplers to get onto IRC! 02:51:11 <goodger> ah, Admiral Hopper's log. wonderful ^_^ 02:51:16 <zilfondel> ahahahaha 02:51:19 <goodger> everyone thinks that's an april fool's joke 02:51:26 <Katy> hey goodger jt wants to know what "the hell is dynamic typing" 02:51:27 <zilfondel> I had a 9600 baud modem 02:51:41 <Katy> those are his exact words in the quotes 02:51:43 <goodger> Katy: he doesn't qualify as a nerd then 02:51:50 <goodger> tell him that, I'd like to imagine the foaming 02:51:57 <Katy> hes not a nerd 02:52:20 <goodger> zilfondel: unfortunately, my "internet virginity loss" postdates the ubiquity of V.92 02:52:24 <Katy> he hates being called a nerd 02:52:33 <goodger> ah 02:52:34 <goodger> geek then. 02:52:43 <goodger> he doesn't qualify as a geek either 02:52:46 <zilfondel> I detect underageness 02:52:51 <goodger> *nod* 02:53:01 <Katy> well hes extremly good at computers so 02:53:08 <goodger> ask him whether he knows what variable typing is 02:53:51 <Katy> nope he dont know 02:54:03 <zilfondel> oh yeah 02:54:08 <goodger> does he know the meaning of the word "boolean"? 02:54:09 <zilfondel> its beer thirty!!!! 02:54:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:54:24 <goodger> good evening to you, zilfondel 02:54:29 <Katy> is that a computer word?? 02:54:32 <zilfondel> lol 02:54:37 <zilfondel> well almost 02:54:39 <goodger> was that his response? 02:54:41 <Belugas> is it his answer?? 02:54:45 <zilfondel> its 7:00 now so in thirty minutes :D 02:55:01 <Katy> no i havent asked him et 02:55:03 <Katy> yet* 02:55:06 <goodger> ah 02:55:09 <Belugas> speaking of boolean, that's waht i need rioght now 02:55:10 <goodger> yes, it is a computer word 02:55:17 <goodger> indeed, it's a variable type 02:55:25 <zilfondel> boolean isnt just computer, its maths! 02:55:41 <zilfondel> maths are the basisis of compewters 02:55:45 <goodger> well, yeah 02:55:56 <zilfondel> they make dem run faster 02:55:59 <goodger> but within the context of variable types, boolean is the most obscure 02:56:12 <goodger> I can't ask "does he know what an integer is?" 02:56:14 <goodger> hmm 02:56:16 <goodger> actually 02:56:17 <zilfondel> I think I learned the concepts back in like 8th grade 02:56:25 <goodger> Katy: does he know what an integer is? 02:56:29 <zilfondel> lol 02:56:33 <Katy> yes we know what integers are 02:56:36 <zilfondel> oh good 02:56:40 <zilfondel> imaginary numbers? 02:56:43 <Belugas> ok guys... the joke is not funny anymore 02:56:46 <Katy> we are high in math and science 02:56:56 <Katy> i love imaginary numbers they are soo easy 02:57:04 <goodger> *eyes narrow* 02:57:39 <goodger> zilfondel: eighth grade is what age? I'm wholly unfamilar with transatlantic school systems 02:57:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet680.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:49 <Katy> jts response to that boolean word- "It's a computer operation that involves finding the intersection of two objects" 02:58:02 <goodger> hmm 02:58:16 <goodger> wrong context, but he's correct 02:59:04 <Katy> i was 13 and 14 in 8th grade 02:59:43 <zilfondel> Katy, what grade are you in? just curious 02:59:58 <Katy> 9th 03:00:02 <Belugas> boolean? an operation??? 03:00:05 <goodger> ahh... 03:00:06 <Belugas> that's not right 03:00:32 <Katy> what grade are you all in?? 03:00:41 <goodger> Katy: most of us are in our 30s 03:00:58 <goodger> Belugas: boolean operations such as intersect, combine, er... subtract, etc. see the Path menu in inkscape... 03:01:02 <zilfondel> yeah I'm 28 03:01:12 <goodger> I'm 18 03:01:12 <Belugas> it's been at least 20 years i've not been in school, apart sending my kind there... 03:01:17 <zilfondel> I am actually in... hmm. 17th grade! 03:01:21 <goodger> heh 03:01:40 <Belugas> oh... ok... make sens goodger 03:01:42 <Katy> is there anyone here under 18?? 03:01:50 <zilfondel> university is fun, but I'm almost done 03:02:02 <goodger> Katy: I'm only just 18, if that helps 03:02:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:12 <Belugas> mmhh... there is at least Yorick 03:02:16 <Belugas> but he's not around 03:02:27 <Belugas> and he's bnot fun talking to 03:02:44 <goodger> what is he, about twelve? 03:02:46 <Belugas> but we are definitively older 03:02:53 <Belugas> young, and that's enough for me 03:02:55 <goodger> I think you mean definitely 03:03:01 <goodger> well, I'm young also... 03:03:11 <goodger> it's a matter of maturity rather than age 03:04:01 <Katy> ah ok 03:04:46 *** haraldkl [~elfe@HSI-KBW-078-042-219-160.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:04:52 <Katy> so your like a kid stuck in an adults body?? 03:05:08 <goodger> ¬.¬ 03:05:16 <zilfondel> lol 03:05:16 <Belugas> hooo...that's gross 03:05:25 <goodger> no... 03:05:26 <zilfondel> isnt it illegal? 03:05:27 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:05:44 <Katy> what are you talking about?? 03:05:48 <Belugas> i do not like a kid stuck in an adult body...it's called pedophily 03:05:50 <Belugas> yurk 03:06:01 <Katy> ohh 03:06:50 <Sacro> Katy: jt as in j tanczos? 03:07:03 <Katy> uh no 03:07:25 <Sacro> ah alright 03:07:34 <Sacro> there should be alaw against people having the same name/initials 03:07:41 * Sacro glares at goodger 03:07:59 <Katy> hmm 03:08:09 <goodger> Sacro: when have you ever had the same name as me? 03:08:20 <Sacro> I'm sure we share the same first name 03:08:25 <goodger> benjamin? 03:08:36 <Sacro> yes >> 03:08:37 <Sacro> <<# 03:08:48 <goodger> ah 03:08:59 <goodger> well... good. there are insufficient benjamins 03:09:09 <goodger> further, I am one of three ben goodgers living worldwide 03:09:12 <Sacro> let us go breed some! 03:10:01 <Katy> ???? 03:10:28 <Sacro> Katy: ignore the randomness :) 03:10:36 <Katy> ok will do 03:11:11 <Sacro> and ignore Belugas too 03:11:21 <Katy> um ok 03:11:31 <Sacro> even if he tells you not to ;) 03:11:43 <goodger> Sacro: I'd sooner not do any breeding, thanks 03:11:46 <Katy> ...... 03:11:49 <Sacro> goodger: pfft :( 03:11:53 <zilfondel> lol 03:11:54 <goodger> the world would probably be destroyed by a plurality of me 03:11:56 <goodger> sex, though, is fine 03:11:59 <Belugas> you can do whatever yo want, i'm not seeking any kind of recognition 03:12:05 <zilfondel> the only thing better than breeding is getting drunk and breeding 03:12:07 <Sacro> yay, i'll get the bbq going 03:12:08 <Katy> eww 03:12:11 <Belugas> and i usually like to make no sens at all 03:12:11 <zilfondel> oh 03:12:20 <zilfondel> well true, I meant "trying to" breed 03:12:31 <zilfondel> lol 03:12:36 <Sacro> getting drunk and trying to breed is fun 03:12:41 <zilfondel> indeed. 03:12:48 *** Katy [4b69d1c3@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 03:12:59 <zilfondel> hahaha 03:13:02 <goodger> heheheh 03:13:03 <zilfondel> we scared her off guys 03:13:04 <goodger> fail 03:13:08 <goodger> *highfive* 03:13:09 <Sacro> pfft 03:13:12 <zilfondel> :P 03:13:25 <Belugas> your chance has dissapeared, Sacro ;) 03:13:30 <zilfondel> ...like they say, its all downhill from here! 03:13:42 <Sacro> Belugas: yours too 03:13:52 <goodger> zilfondel: you mean like scaring away the only female? 03:14:09 <zilfondel> internet females are a myth, I tell you 03:15:03 <Belugas> me?? pfff... i've got all i need, and i certainly do not need a headless chick ;) 03:15:21 <Sacro> hmm, £329 order 03:15:22 <Sacro> not bad 03:16:21 <Quaver> intriguing 03:16:31 <Quaver> a train cannot crash into itself on openttd 03:16:40 <Quaver> Sacro: you might want to see this :p 03:16:47 <Sacro> Quaver: i know about it 03:17:02 <Sacro> ahh, D is dominator ram 03:17:12 <Sacro> and DF is dominator with fan 03:17:13 <Quaver> Sacro: the endless loop? 03:17:19 <Sacro> Quaver: quite 03:17:24 <Sacro> sigh, no Jasmine online :( 03:17:26 <Belugas> Quaver, known,not a bug, not going to be fixed either :) 03:17:55 <Quaver> Belugas: surely it is a bug ;) 03:18:26 <Sacro> Quaver: it's a feature 03:18:28 <Belugas> nope... 03:18:29 <Sacro> like Eddi|zuHause 03:18:30 <Quaver> if a vehicle is longer than the rails it occupies, a collision must occur? 03:18:36 <goodger> heheh 03:18:36 <Belugas> nope 03:18:54 <Sacro> whereas goodger is more of an errm... pain :p 03:18:57 <Quaver> go on? 03:19:01 <Belugas> nope 03:19:09 <Quaver> haha 03:19:13 <Belugas> only one thing, it's OUR REALITY 03:19:19 <Belugas> seriously, 03:19:34 <Belugas> it has to do with the collision dettection code 03:19:41 <Belugas> if it has been extended to all wagons, 03:19:45 <goodger> Sacro: D: 03:19:51 <goodger> I thought you liked me 03:19:52 <Belugas> it would have made the game a crawl 03:20:02 <Belugas> so, it has been .. made simpler 03:20:21 <Quaver> right, there we go. that's the answer i was looking for. :) 03:20:21 <Sacro> goodger: course i do :) 03:20:26 <goodger> woop ^_^ 03:22:48 <zilfondel> hey can you guys put curves into the game? 03:23:31 <Sacro> Quaver: foudn my new ram on ebuyer 03:23:37 <Sacro> zilfondel: use a magnet 03:23:45 <Sacro> put it to the side of a crt 03:23:49 <Sacro> and curves ahoy 03:23:53 <Gekz> Debian repo script is partly written 03:23:53 <zilfondel> lol 03:23:54 <Gekz> :D 03:24:02 <zilfondel> but I have an lcd monitor guys 03:24:05 <zilfondel> wont work :P 03:24:06 <Quaver> Sacro: cool 03:24:15 * Quaver -> bed 03:24:19 <Sacro> Quaver: yes http://www.ebuyer.com/product/141930 03:24:29 <zilfondel> I always wanted subways in TTD, but that might be asking too much 03:25:20 <Sacro> yeah 03:25:28 <Sacro> we find it hard to output the sandwich when dun 03:25:33 <Sacro> *done 03:25:58 <Gekz> oh wow 03:25:59 <Gekz> it worked 03:26:02 <Gekz> shock-horror 03:26:07 <Sacro> Gekz: you made a sandwich? :o 03:26:16 <Gekz> no 03:26:23 <Gekz> I made a script that finds the current version of openttd nightly 03:26:24 <Gekz> downloads it 03:26:31 <Gekz> and renames it per architecture to Debian standard 03:26:34 <Sacro> ooh 03:26:41 <Sacro> send me the whatever file 03:26:46 <Gekz> No 03:26:46 <Gekz> lol 03:26:50 <Sacro> I could do with an OpenTTD-nightly PKGBUILD for Arch 03:26:50 <Gekz> it's not done yet 03:27:02 <Gekz> oh 03:27:05 <Sacro> we have openttd{,-rc,-beta,-svn} 03:27:07 <Gekz> in that case, I can send you what i've done 03:27:12 <Gekz> because that's basically all you need isnt it 03:27:20 <Sacro> yeah 03:27:27 <Gekz> by nightly I meant binary nightly though 03:27:28 <Gekz> not source 03:27:29 <Belugas> all you need is LOOOOOOOV 03:27:32 <Gekz> but that can be easily modified 03:27:38 <Sacro> hmm, not sure how I can get the revision and then rebuild with that 03:27:49 <Gekz> http://svn.openttdcoop.org/tools/autostart/start 03:27:58 <Gekz> thats the openttd coop 03:28:26 <Sacro> thanks 03:28:28 <Gekz> REVISION=`curl -s http://finger.openttd.org/versions.txt | sed -n '3p' | cut -f1 | cut -b 2-` 03:28:34 <Gekz> that's my line 03:28:37 <Gekz> to find the current binary nightly 03:28:46 <Sacro> ouch 03:28:49 <Sacro> what a horrible line :p 03:28:56 <Gekz> not as horrible as it could be 03:29:11 <Gekz> stream line 3, cut the first field, and show all characters after the first one 03:29:17 <Gekz> so it cuts the r from the revision 03:29:36 <Sacro> hmm 03:29:39 <Sacro> i guess 03:29:43 * Belugas sends some plasters torevision 03:29:48 <Sacro> might be easier using a sed one liner 03:29:50 <Sacro> or awk 03:30:10 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Why are you staring at my shoes? They're perfectly normal.] 03:30:12 * Belugas goes to sleep, enough non-sens 03:30:18 <Gekz> Sacro: I'm horrible with sed 03:30:27 <Gekz> if you make me a sed one-liner, then I'll use it 03:30:31 <Gekz> and cut is better than awk for me 03:30:32 <Gekz> lol 03:30:43 <zilfondel> so has anyone used the new AI? 03:31:06 <glx> what do you mean with "new" ? 03:31:30 <zilfondel> I thought the big new thing is the new AI right? 03:31:36 <Gekz> zilfondel: it's not new 03:31:39 <Gekz> its just new in trunk 03:31:41 <zilfondel> oh 03:31:43 <zilfondel> oh 03:31:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:51 <zilfondel> so does it work? 03:31:59 <Gekz> if its in trunk 03:32:01 <Gekz> it must 03:32:04 <zilfondel> hmmm 03:32:07 <zilfondel> this must be true 03:32:15 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32:18 <glx> it's not an AI but a framework to write AIs 03:32:27 <Gekz> WrightAI and such are AIs for it 03:33:22 <glx> but now AIs are allowed in multiplayer :) 03:33:56 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 03:34:22 <zilfondel> are there any AIs that play well with trains? 03:34:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:35:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:37:01 <glx> admiralai is the only one to use train for now IIRC 03:37:22 <glx> but it can builds networks with junctions 03:38:33 <Aali> there are some kinks left to work out though, but it's far better than the old AI 03:40:19 <zilfondel> hmm 03:40:30 <zilfondel> how long has it been worked on? 03:40:52 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-202-238.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] 03:42:05 <glx> at least 6 months for admiralai 03:42:53 <glx> wow it even have its own flyspray 03:45:21 <zilfondel> wow. flys really suck 03:49:06 <keiya> Hmm. Has Classic AI been ported to NoAI yet? :J 03:50:41 <keiya> Might be an interesting project, even if it /does/ suck. 03:50:49 <Aali> no 03:50:53 <Aali> the old AI cheated 03:50:58 <Aali> you can't cheat in NoAI 03:51:06 <Aali> so it's never going to happen 03:52:05 <keiya> Mmm? How did it cheat? 03:52:36 <Aali> free terraform? ignore town rating? and the list goes on 03:52:40 <goodger> it had free terraforming if I recall correctly 03:53:26 <keiya> Eh, so it'd just go out of business really fast :P 03:54:08 <keiya> Nothing new there... 03:55:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:00:43 *** Zorni [zorn@e177233153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:08:05 *** Zorn [zorn@e177231149.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:08:24 *** Zorn [zorn@e177233231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 04:08:48 *** Zorni [zorn@e177233153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:13:16 *** zilfondel [~chatzilla@h-67-100-125-124.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 04:18:38 <goodger> *bored* 04:22:24 <keiya> I'm hungry. Can anyone spare some blood? 04:23:04 <goodger> keiya: sorry, I need all my blood and a bit more 04:26:28 <keiya> But, but.... what's a hungry vampire to do? 04:29:40 <Gekz> So back to discussion about a Debian repo 04:29:51 <Gekz> would we want to keep all versions of nightly? 04:29:53 <Gekz> or just the most recent? 04:29:57 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 04:33:35 <goodger> keiya: I suggest you obtain some form of somniotherapy device such as a dawn simulator 04:34:20 <Gekz> Rubidium: oi 04:34:28 <Gekz> or Belugas 04:34:43 <Gekz> Belugas: who is in-charge of the domain name and servers for openttd? 04:34:48 *** adam7 [~adam7@114.244.48.168] has joined #openttd 04:39:19 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:40:34 *** michi_cc [d12a40aea2@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:45:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:47 <Gekz> bah 04:54:12 <Gekz> these nightlies, they have the version 0.7~svn 04:54:28 <Gekz> debian repo wont like that 05:05:43 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:25 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-26-37.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:28:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:49:19 <Gekz> yay for bash script that changes version information per file 06:06:59 <Gekz> yay 06:07:02 <Gekz> finished the repo 06:07:04 <Gekz> should test it I should 06:13:48 <Alberth> Gekz: just like 'learning on the job', apply 'testing on the job' :) 06:24:40 <Gekz> lol 06:40:49 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:43:49 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55:30 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:08:34 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:24 *** michi_cc [d452eb2b95@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 07:09:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 07:12:11 *** CIA-8 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 07:12:42 *** CIA-8 is now known as Guest970 07:12:43 *** Guest970 is now known as CIA-9 07:13:37 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 07:14:19 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:14:23 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 07:14:51 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:30:35 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:34:16 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47:57 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:05:20 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:15:39 *** Zorn [zorn@e177233231.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:44 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:21:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause would know <- no, there isn't 08:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> very unfortunately 08:35:25 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:35 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:44:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:45:09 <Wolf01> hello 08:47:42 *** Zorn [zorn@e177113201.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:01:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:02:48 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 09:03:55 <Gekz> Eddi|zuHause: you use Debian, right? 09:04:05 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i use openSUSE 09:04:11 <Gekz> oh, that's horrible 09:04:12 <Gekz> I'm sorry 09:04:13 <Gekz> lol 09:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i love you, too. 09:04:26 <Gekz> haha 09:04:37 <Gekz> SUSE is the one distro of Linux I really can't stand 09:04:39 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [] 09:04:41 <Gekz> it hates me on a personal level 09:05:15 <Eddi|zuHause> strange, we have a mutual agreement of not disturbing each other too much 09:08:52 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, it beats windows in almost every aspect 09:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and most of the default settings are sane 09:17:28 <petern> perhaps it is you who are the toad 09:20:01 <Gekz> petern: oi 09:20:06 <Gekz> I have set up a debian repo for nightly builds 09:20:20 <Gekz> and made a script that unpacks teh debs, gives it a correct version based on the build, and repacks it 09:20:32 <Gekz> although I haven't worked out why I can't gpg sign them 09:20:37 <Gekz> probably because I dont have the keys :P 09:20:42 *** ConditionalZenith [~blah@60-242-48-182.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:22:15 <petern> good for you 09:22:25 <Gekz> you're quite evil. 09:22:54 <Gekz> I dont understand why the nightlies aren't given the proper revision number in the control file anyway 09:23:08 <Gekz> they have 0.7~svn without the revision number 09:23:25 <ConditionalZenith> I believe it's done to annoy you :p 09:23:31 <petern> because we'd have to change it on every commit 09:23:48 <Gekz> no, it could be done on ./configure 09:23:50 <ConditionalZenith> can't you use some keyword magic? 09:24:41 <Gekz> petern: who is in charge of the openttd.org servers? 09:24:59 <petern> TrueBrain/Rubidium 09:25:04 <Gekz> ok 09:25:07 <Gekz> I'll harass them about it 09:25:29 <Gekz> and it would only require a single cron job to be run once a night to be updated too 09:26:05 <ConditionalZenith> it would make more sense to add it to the script that builds the nightlies 09:26:18 <ConditionalZenith> that way you have no chance of races 09:26:33 <Gekz> races? 09:26:39 <ConditionalZenith> race conditions 09:26:45 <Gekz> yeah 09:27:01 <Gekz> actually that'd be easy 09:27:11 <Gekz> just add the script that cron would run as a cleanup script 09:33:14 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:49:15 <Gekz> TrueBrain: has you awakenness? 09:59:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D97F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:39 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 10:05:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:06:11 <George> Should I report this as bug: 10:06:17 <George> WrightAI(v2) 10:06:17 <George> (this) INSTANCE 10:06:17 <George> * FUNCTION (Start()) F:\Games\OpenTTD\ai\wrightai\main.nut line (338) 10:06:17 <George> Your script made an error: the index âMY_COMPANYâ does not exist 10:06:47 <George> WrightAI generates error for me. R15130 10:07:27 <Rubidium> that's an old version 10:09:22 <George> Old version of WrightAI? 10:09:30 <Rubidium> yup 10:10:13 <Rubidium> it got removed from the nightly builds 10:10:46 <Rubidium> but extracting the build zip/whatever doesn't remove the files 10:11:32 <George> Is there a new version available anywhere? 10:11:48 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:16 <Rubidium> you can download it in game 10:19:20 <George> Repository? How can upload my GRFs to it? 10:19:46 <petern> here http://www.openttd.org/en/bananas/manager/ 10:20:30 <Gekz> Rubidium: how does setting up a debian repository for nightly builds sound to you? 10:20:54 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:20:54 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has joined #openttd 10:22:46 <George> after entering my login it redirects me to http://www.openttd.org/ru/accounts/profile/ and generates 404 error 10:23:08 <petern> apparently so 10:23:15 <petern> i believe you can go back and it will work 10:23:48 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:58 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:24:13 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: sounds like login's broken (again) 10:26:47 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:03 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 10:30:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:35:44 <George> Version field is too short, I need at least 5 more symbols :( 10:35:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:36:40 <George> "beta 5 (13 Jan 2009)" 10:37:12 <ConditionalZenith> I noticed a lot were truncated in the list 10:37:18 <ConditionalZenith> that is in game 10:40:29 <canidae> i'm trying out a new railroad layout, but i'm having a fair deal of issues with trains that refuse to enter depots for serving. can someone tell me what's wrong with my layout? (signals next to stations are two-way path signals, rest are one-way path signals) http://exent.net/~canidae/servicing.png 10:41:25 <canidae> ctrl-click depot makes the train head for a depot 10:41:39 <canidae> but regular servicing it refuses 10:42:32 <canidae> s/serving/servicing/, a couple lines up :s 10:43:19 <ConditionalZenith> can't see why trains aren't going to the depot 10:43:33 <ConditionalZenith> do you have any depot orders? 10:43:37 <canidae> no 10:44:09 <ConditionalZenith> ok, and you haven't got breakdowns off + no servicing with breakdowns off? 10:44:26 <canidae> reliability is down on 31% now, and it's been 18 months since last servicing, normal breakdowns 10:44:49 <canidae> (train can't get from one station to the other without 3 breakdowns) 10:45:00 <ConditionalZenith> yeah the screen clearly shows that, I need to pay more attention 10:45:24 <ConditionalZenith> ok, what if you take out the path signal in front of the depot 10:45:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 10:45:43 <canidae> let's see... 10:45:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:46:55 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:47:09 <canidae> it's gonna take a while before the train reach the depot, 23% reliability now :p 10:47:20 <ConditionalZenith> :) 10:48:46 <canidae> missed the first depot, but maybe the other on the way back 10:49:03 <ConditionalZenith> if it missed the first, I don't think it will take the second 10:49:09 <canidae> me neither :) 10:49:44 <canidae> beginning to suspect there's a bug somewhere around here 10:50:10 <ConditionalZenith> I know it's worked for me if I have a more compact servicing arrangement 10:50:13 <canidae> missed the second one too 10:50:57 <ConditionalZenith> ok, so if you take out all the signals inside the "depot triangle", does it work? 10:51:08 <canidae> can try 10:51:35 <ConditionalZenith> I do know that trains wont go too far out of their way for an automatic service 10:51:44 <canidae> hmm 10:52:07 <ConditionalZenith> and all the extra signals may cause it not to see the depot as part of it's path 10:52:31 <George> Why do version at http://www.openttd.org/en/bananas/manager/ and in game are different? (last letter from the version number is lost in game) 10:53:25 <ConditionalZenith> which revision? 10:53:40 <ConditionalZenith> I saw something about that in the changelog 10:53:53 <canidae> did not help with removing signals... can try building a depot closer to the track 10:54:54 <canidae> hmm, looks like this might be it 10:55:08 <canidae> shame, liked this setup, no sharp turns into the depot 10:55:20 <ConditionalZenith> checked out the wiki? 10:55:35 <ConditionalZenith> the info there may be outdated, but it did have some niceish setups 10:55:38 <canidae> didn't find anything in the "servicing" page 10:56:00 <canidae> hmm 10:56:15 <canidae> well, "It also avoids the possibility that a vehicle may need servicing at an inconvenient point on its route (maybe the nearest depot is a long way away)." probably should be a clue 10:57:05 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8EE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:57:21 <petern> tony hart :( 10:58:34 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:00:34 <Zuu> canidae: Those depots look close enough to the track. 16 or 18 tiles is the limit (one of them, I just don't remember which) 11:00:51 <canidae> well, it certainly appears like they're not :) 11:01:40 <Zuu> canidae: Did you try put them just next to the track and got it working? 11:01:45 <canidae> yes 11:02:09 <Zuu> Okay, it use to work for me hehe :) 11:04:11 <Zuu> But I seldome use the track-layout you have used with double track and intersections so often. 11:05:09 <canidae> it's nice with breakdowns on normal :) 11:05:27 * Zuu never plays with breakdowns on normal 11:05:37 <Zuu> Reduced happens but never normal. 11:05:54 <canidae> hmmm 11:06:01 <canidae> i've tried a new layout i was sure would work 11:06:06 <canidae> let me grab another screenshot 11:07:45 <canidae> http://exent.net/~canidae/servicing2.png 11:08:05 <canidae> this really can't be too far away from the route, can it? 11:08:26 <Zuu> Far away is counted in rail tiles. 11:08:36 <canidae> hmm 11:08:45 <ConditionalZenith> ok, I just got "dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer" 3 times 11:09:01 <ConditionalZenith> that was about the same time I downloaded 3 ECS vectors from the server 11:09:18 <canidae> fine, i'll limit the "queue" to 1 track, then 11:09:26 <ConditionalZenith> Did someone make an off by one error somewhere? 11:09:51 <Zuu> So this one is further away than the old one. And if you uese PBS then I think you need to count from the signal where it must decide if it should go to depot or not. But even then your last depot layout should be okay. It's on 12 tiles. 11:10:43 <canidae> err... 11:10:59 <canidae> new screenshot coming up :p 11:11:10 *** thadthudpucker [~nathan@c-67-160-111-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:49 <canidae> http://exent.net/~canidae/servicing3.png 11:12:01 <canidae> still too far, apparently 11:13:04 <thadthudpucker> i have been running ottd on windows for some time, and i would like to know if there is a place i can put my openttd.cfg file now that i am on linux? 11:13:15 <ConditionalZenith> in ~/.openttd 11:13:26 <thadthudpucker> and what is in my home folder? 11:13:29 * yorick would like aircraft that are only capable of landing on intercontental airports 11:13:31 <thadthudpucker> er, That? 11:13:40 <yorick> or at least the possibility of setting so 11:13:58 <ConditionalZenith> thadthudpucker: your question confuses me 11:14:12 <ConditionalZenith> there is a folder called .openttd in your home folder 11:14:16 <thadthudpucker> where does openttd.cfg go in linux 11:14:20 <ConditionalZenith> openttd.cfg lives there 11:14:27 <thadthudpucker> Ah got it now 11:15:39 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-89-156.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #openttd 11:16:17 <Alberth> canidae: trains look for a depot every now and then, at most 16 or 18 tiles. The further away the depot is from the 'normal' track, the less chance you have that the train looks 'at the right time' for a depot. 11:16:42 <Alberth> canidae: in particular, they don't look constantly afaik 11:16:46 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:16:56 <Zuu> canidae: Try to use servicing interval in days instead. 11:17:13 <thadthudpucker> is there a way to stop trains from turning around impossibly while waiting for a signal? 11:17:16 <Zuu> I don't understand the % method, but all I know is that it is not what you think it is. 11:17:49 <thadthudpucker> oftentimes, they will turn around right before it turns green, while on a one way track 11:17:50 <Zuu> Unless you have read about it somewhere explaning % of what it uses. 11:18:12 <Zuu> thadthudpucker: Yes, using yapp parameters. 11:18:38 <thadthudpucker> neat... 11:19:02 <canidae> Zuu: 15% interval means that when the reliability is 15% less than max (eg. less than 85% for a vehicle with 100% max, less than 68% for 80% max), the train should head for a depot 11:19:15 <Zuu> I don't know then by hart, so you have to look for them. But there are parameters, so you can set waiting time for the PBS and non-pbs signals to 255 = infinity 11:19:30 <ConditionalZenith> in the [pf] section 11:19:51 <ConditionalZenith> there are 3 wait_blah settings 11:19:57 <ConditionalZenith> that's what you want 11:20:07 <ConditionalZenith> I think 11:20:17 <Zuu> But if you want to change them in a running save game you need to use the console though 11:20:54 <Zuu> Use: patch name value 11:21:49 <Zuu> "patch" being the command, and name the name of the setting you like to change. And value, the new value. 11:22:00 <Zuu> If you ommit value it will tell you the current value. 11:22:09 <Eddi|zuHause> canidae: ever tried setting the service interval to 85%? 11:22:19 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you have the "less than" part wrong 11:22:24 <ConditionalZenith> you don't want that 11:22:35 <ConditionalZenith> 15% is about right 11:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it is "down to"? 11:22:49 <ConditionalZenith> no, it is definitely "down by" 11:23:07 <Zuu> canidae: First try set it to 30 days and see if your track-layout is working before blaming it at least. 11:23:40 <ConditionalZenith> if the "service at foo depot" order works, then it needed a service 11:24:04 <canidae> i'm trying Alberth's hint 11:24:46 <canidae> if it checks every x tile or something, then maybe i managed to build it so that it checks just before entering the station, or just after passing the intersection leading to the depot 11:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you should also try placing the depot closer to the main track, afaik trains don't chose depots for automatic servicing that are more than 16 (?) tiles away 11:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and it must chose to go to depot before hitting the signals before the switch 11:25:30 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: If you look on the screenshots he has posted that limit is not a problem 11:26:00 *** thadthudpucker [~nathan@c-67-160-111-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #openttd [Ex-Chat] 11:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it loosk awfully close to 16 tiles from here... 11:26:31 <Zuu> I counted one of them to 12 tiles. Which should be okay 11:26:46 <Eddi|zuHause> from 1 tile before the signal 11:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if it reserved past the signal, it cannot chose to go to depot anymore 11:27:05 <Zuu> uh, nope from the signal tile. 11:27:19 <Zuu> (is what I counted form) 11:27:21 <Zuu> from* 11:27:56 <Zuu> But on http://exent.net/~canidae/servicing3.png it is far under 16 anyways. 11:28:13 <canidae> i think Alberth may be right, train heads for depot when i moved them closer to the stations 11:28:50 <Alberth> maybe they count before turning the train around? 11:29:23 <Zuu> As far as I know it checks not just one time but constantly. 11:29:37 <Zuu> Or at least in front of each signal. 11:29:40 <Eddi|zuHause> they are not constantly, but sporadic (afaik) 11:29:45 <Zuu> Between signals don't make sense. 11:30:17 <Eddi|zuHause> but the exact ways were always a little mystical to me 11:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i play with breakdowns off 11:31:08 <Zuu> Having the depots in the schedule should rule out any problem of having the depot to far away right? 11:31:35 <Zuu> But might not be an option if you have many depots between each station. 11:32:35 <canidae> one more screenshot: http://exent.net/~canidae/servicing4.png 11:32:40 <canidae> from another railroad i got 11:32:47 <canidae> showing a train that volunteerly entered the depot 11:33:03 <petern> how ugly :o 11:33:09 <canidae> (same distance as first screenshot, btw) 11:34:08 <Zuu> hmm, trying his track-layout I got same problem of train not entering depot. 11:34:23 <Zuu> But removing the signal between depot and main-track solves the issue. 11:35:15 <Zuu> Or you can replace the signal infront of the depot with a normal non-PBS signal. 11:36:27 <Zuu> Hmm, I was wrong. Even with PBS it enters depot. My problem was that the loop the train makes is shorter than 30 days. 11:38:50 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:53 <Zuu> Seams to work here with %, but the condition for servicing must be True, when it checks these 16 tiles before. Not just next to the entrance, it seams. 11:41:10 <Zuu> Hmm, looks like it takes 15% minus the relability level it had when it exited the depot as limit. 11:42:21 <Zuu> So if it had 82% when it left depot 82*0.85 = 69.7. So when it has < 69.7 it will enter the depot. 11:44:31 <Zuu> Which fits good with what I see on my screen. 11:50:42 <Alberth> Zuu: yeah, the computer tends to do what the source says :) 11:51:17 <ConditionalZenith> until someone screws up a pointer of overflows some memory :) 11:51:21 <ConditionalZenith> *or 11:51:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or because of cosmic dust... 11:51:58 <ConditionalZenith> also known as broken ram? 11:52:28 <ConditionalZenith> or just overclocking that is too agressive 11:52:38 <ConditionalZenith> or maybe a compiler bug 11:53:00 <ConditionalZenith> or even a kernel bug 11:53:09 <ConditionalZenith> ok I'll stop now 11:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it theoretically is possible that ionising radiation may induce electrons somewhere they do not belong 11:54:37 <ConditionalZenith> yes, I suspect that everything I listed is more common though 11:54:48 <mrfrenzy> ionising radiation doesn't penetrate steel very well 11:56:23 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:02 <Ammler> hmm, LaBaNaNaS wouldn't sound that bad :-) 11:57:46 <Ammler> and you could drop out the language files too :-) 12:00:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that'll cause horrible versioning nightmares 12:07:32 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28D115.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:07 <Alberth> and you cannot tell the user that his Internet connection is broken 12:09:43 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-239-140.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 12:13:30 <petern> i don't know how the base graphics part is supposed to work... 12:13:56 <petern> http://fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx?archive=1 12:15:55 <ConditionalZenith> Ok, an OTTD savegame has some info about the newGRFs used 12:16:04 <ConditionalZenith> does it just store IDs? 12:16:12 <ConditionalZenith> or is there more that it keeps? 12:16:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ID and MD5 12:16:38 <ConditionalZenith> ok 12:17:29 <ConditionalZenith> so if I get the message about it crashing while loading a game, and it shows a list of missing GRFs with md5s, are they what it wants to find or what it did find? 12:18:06 <ConditionalZenith> wait, there's an assertion before that 12:18:26 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: the repo like prepared for version checks 12:18:38 <Ammler> *looks like 12:19:12 <Ammler> it has min and max version fields, which I didn't see a effect now :-) 12:19:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: yes, but you need new lng-packs for each nightly 12:19:32 <Eddi|zuHause> or... almost 12:19:43 <Ammler> but those are compiled for every plattform the same? 12:20:06 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, it isn't the right place... 12:20:10 <Ammler> or does a win lang differ from nix lang file? 12:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause> no 12:22:16 <George> Rubidium: If I download a new AI in game, how can I configure it there? If download it separately, I can change the cfg file before starting OTTD, but what to do in game? 12:23:34 <ConditionalZenith> you mean start_ai in the console? 12:24:15 <ConditionalZenith> I'm not sure if that works for files that weren't there when the game was started thoug 12:24:45 <Ammler> ConditionalZenith: he asked rubi, nobody else knows that ;-) 12:25:18 <ConditionalZenith> I'm sure rubi will either agree or disagree with me :) 12:26:12 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:36 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffec4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:56 <petern> yeah, that content list might need a filter at some point 12:34:27 <Ammler> looks like most just hit "mark all" and download 12:35:00 <Ammler> they don't read things like "test grf" or such :-) 12:38:01 <petern> there's on console version :/ 12:38:01 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:23 <petern> bananas update 12:38:37 <petern> bananas install convoy 12:38:42 <petern> bananas upgrade 12:38:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:48 <petern> apt for ottd :p 12:40:28 <energetic> a console openttd version? 12:40:53 <energetic> track 234x129 to 125x129 12:41:06 <petern> go away 12:41:13 <petern> for the content downloader 12:41:55 <Ammler> hmm, if you could manipulate grf parameters of other newgrfs, you could make something like newgrf presets grfs (with dependencies) 12:42:33 <ConditionalZenith> so if I try to load an old save game, and it asserts and whinges about missing newGRFs, what's the next step? give up? 12:42:41 <petern> action 14, depend on grfid with parameters? 12:42:48 <petern> ConditionalZenith: install those newgrfs 12:42:57 <ConditionalZenith> they seem to be there 12:43:07 <ConditionalZenith> I get lines like: NewGRF 4D413034 (ottdc_grfpack/1_other/OpenGFX/OpenGFX_-_newGUI_v0.4.grf) not found; checksum DA3F0E6112F58B245C17CAC294B1918A. Tried another NewGRF with same GRF ID 12:43:28 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has joined #openttd 12:43:29 <ConditionalZenith> The checksum listed matches the checksum of the file I have 12:43:52 <George> ConditionalZenith: I mean this admiralai = always_autorenew=0,build_statues=1,debug_signs=0,depot_near_station=1,start_date=1,use_busses=1,use_planes=1,use_trains=1,use_trucks=1 12:43:59 <Ammler> petern: version 8? 12:45:16 <ConditionalZenith> ahh, well start_ai takes parameters, if the ai is already started though, I don't know 12:47:03 <Ammler> ConditionalZenith: looks like you need the coop pack :-) 12:47:14 <ConditionalZenith> I have the coop pack 12:47:32 <ConditionalZenith> I have the svn version, this savegame apparently wants 7.0 12:47:43 <Ammler> it did not assert because of the line you pasted 12:48:09 <Ammler> mostly it is because of station grfs or vehicles 12:48:13 <ConditionalZenith> no, the assertion was src/pbs.cpp:83: bool TryReserveRailTrack(TileIndex, Track): Assertion `(GetTileTrackStatus(tile, TRANSPORT_RAIL, 0) & TrackToTrackBits(t)) != 0' failed. 12:48:44 <ConditionalZenith> apparently it was saved with r13032 12:48:45 <Ammler> yeah, sounds like station grf 12:49:03 <Ammler> isr 12:49:20 <ConditionalZenith> ok, dutch stations is one of the ones it complains about 12:49:50 <Ammler> Is it a save from our archive? 12:49:58 <ConditionalZenith> yes it is 12:50:08 <ConditionalZenith> public game 95 to be precise 12:50:08 <Ammler> and you use 7.3? 12:50:18 <ConditionalZenith> I have the svn version of the pack 12:50:34 <ConditionalZenith> I had to track down a couple of GRFs that were missing completely 12:50:36 <ConditionalZenith> which I did 12:50:40 <Ammler> 7.3 is available from svn, too. 12:51:03 <ConditionalZenith> the game says it needs 7.0 12:51:06 <Ammler> it "should" be downwards compatible 12:51:21 <ConditionalZenith> so how does the svn differ from 7.3? 12:52:11 <Ammler> it will have fewer then 7.3 12:52:25 <Ammler> grfs which are available from bananas can be removed there 12:52:35 <Ammler> or it has newer grfs 12:52:37 <George> Is were a documentation about industry % of cargo transported? I'm comfused about having 2 station with rating above 65% and having a total for the industry below 60%. Why? 12:53:56 <Ammler> ConditionalZenith: we make tests with the release versions, no support for trunk. 12:54:17 <Ammler> (like everywhere) 12:55:46 <ConditionalZenith> ok, does tags/ottdc_grfpack == tags/7.3 ? 12:56:03 <ConditionalZenith> cause I have tags/ottdc_grfpack 12:56:47 <Ammler> ConditionalZenith: yes, #95 doesn't load here, either. 12:57:26 <ConditionalZenith> well the other thing I tried is building r13032 12:57:46 <ConditionalZenith> I could load the game but it would always assert after a few seconds 12:58:13 <Ammler> strange :-( 12:58:19 <ConditionalZenith> it gave me the warning about using different versions of the GRFs though 12:58:43 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-239-140.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:43 <ConditionalZenith> and it did also complain about openttdw.grf being missing or corrupt (it wasn't missing) 12:59:11 <Ammler> I am quite sure, it is because of the station grfs, train is in a station wich has no track tiles anymore. 13:00:44 <ConditionalZenith> It gave a different assert with the old binary 13:00:46 <ConditionalZenith> src/yapf/follow_track.hpp:88: bool CFollowTrackT<Ttr_type_, T90deg_turns_allowed_>::Follow(TileIndex, Trackdir) [with TransportType Ttr_type_ = TRANSPORT_BEGIN, bool T90deg_turns_allowed_ = false]: Assertion `((TrackStatusToTrackdirBits(GetTileTrackStatus(m_old_tile, TT(), m_veh->u.road.compatible_roadtypes)) & TrackdirToTrackdirBits(m_old_td)) != 0) || (GetSingleTramBit(m_old_tile) != INVALID_DIAGDIR)' failed. 13:01:09 <ConditionalZenith> wait, that's not an assert 13:01:10 <Rubidium> that's the classic "train can't drive here" assertion 13:01:16 <Ammler> total_bridges was also a buggy version 13:01:39 <ConditionalZenith> wait, it is an assert 13:01:40 <Rubidium> having the "wrong" version of any NewGRF might causes these things 13:01:51 <Ammler> well, not the grf itself, just some nightlies around nov/dec 13:01:55 <Rubidium> that's also why the nice red error box shows up 13:02:10 <ConditionalZenith> so how do I know that the right version is? 13:02:42 <Ammler> Rubidium: it asserts here before the red box. 13:02:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:03:06 <Rubidium> ConditionalZenith: that's a bit of the problem with newgrfs... they aren't versioned so there's no way to tell 13:03:24 <ConditionalZenith> can I even get the checksum of the right one? 13:03:46 <ConditionalZenith> and yes, with recent trunk it asserts before the red box 13:04:16 <ConditionalZenith> the red box + different assertion happens when I use the exact version it was saved with 13:05:06 <ConditionalZenith> anyway, if this is wasting too much time, I'm happy to give up 13:05:09 <Rubidium> ConditionalZenith: what OS are you using? 13:05:14 <ConditionalZenith> linux 13:05:28 * SmatZ is considering turning of notice at "assert" :-p 13:05:29 <ConditionalZenith> and I should point out I use mercurial instead of SVN too 13:05:41 <Ammler> src/pbs.cpp:83: bool TryReserveRailTrack(TileIndex, Track): Assertion `(GetTileTrackStatus(tile, TRANSPORT_RAIL, 0) & TrackToTrackBits(t)) != 0' failed. 13:05:53 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:02 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:18 <glx> Ammler: did you change station ggrfs? 13:06:27 <Rubidium> ConditionalZenith: then any wrong/missing GRFs should be dumped onto the console 13:06:29 <Ammler> yep 13:06:29 <petern> Ammler, no it was a joke :) 13:06:34 <Rubidium> grfid + md5sum 13:06:50 <glx> Ammler: so a non track tile became a track tile 13:06:51 <Ammler> petern: well, or an idea ;-) 13:06:58 <ConditionalZenith> yes, they were, and I verified that each one had the same md5 as the files I have 13:07:18 <petern> Ammler, yeah, you could implement it... 13:07:22 <Ammler> :P 13:08:03 <ConditionalZenith> it seems to me like the md5 on the console is what it found, not what it wants 13:08:14 <Zuu> petern: Assert print, pause 5 seconds, and then a "just kidding" and it sleeps 1-2 seconds an then continues. :-D 13:08:44 <petern> :D 13:09:09 <yorick> there is no way to specify custom refit cost like you can do custom refit cap? 13:09:49 <petern> don't think there is 13:13:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15135 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Fix/Change: allow str_validate (part of receiving strings from the network) to pass newlines instead of replacing them with question marks, but only when asked to do so. 13:13:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:15:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.176.244] has joined #openttd 13:17:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:19:38 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.182.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:15 <petern> hmm 13:23:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 13:24:55 *** renea [~renea@82-170-7-78.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:35:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-213-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:40:43 *** Steve-N [~steven@84-245-22-198.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:55 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:42:41 <Zuu> With r15130 you at least clearly know when you made a syntax error in an AI :-D 13:43:16 <glx> hehe 13:46:13 <Zuu> Though using -d ai=5 I can get the error so it is not that bad. 13:53:05 <Zuu> Hmm, wonders if it is possible to make a regex that check for balanced paranteses. 13:53:38 <ConditionalZenith> a single type of parens? 13:53:55 <Zuu> single type yes. 13:54:11 <ConditionalZenith> hmm 13:54:54 <ConditionalZenith> I see the need for recursion 13:55:02 <ConditionalZenith> which last I knew regexs couldn't do 13:55:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:55:56 <ConditionalZenith> you can do \([^\)]*\) to match a single pair of closed parens 13:56:08 <ConditionalZenith> although that might need a bit of tweaking 13:56:24 <Alberth> Zuu: use an editor with highlighting of matching bracket 13:56:47 <Zuu> Alberth: Which I do, but have just not enabled it for .nut files. :) 13:57:33 <Alberth> Zuu: with (g)vim, jump to other bracket with %. That works always :) 13:57:48 <Zuu> Sure, but I have more than 1000 rows. :) 13:57:52 <ConditionalZenith> you can do a similar thing with emacs 13:58:39 <ConditionalZenith> emacs tells me ctrl+alt+b does it 13:58:56 <Alberth> Zuu: can you not abuse a highlighting for another language, eg c++ ? 13:58:58 <Zuu> But I guess getting .nut to work in gvim is the best option as just scrolling through the code makes it quickly clear if any unbalanced paranteses is in it. (red background of the character) 13:59:33 <ConditionalZenith> on emacs it works even if it doesn't recognize the filetype 13:59:42 <Zuu> Alberth: that's what I've did when I made the .nut lang declarations, which I'm surprised i have not installed at the moment. So I'm just LAZY :) 14:00:37 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-141.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:38 <ConditionalZenith> or just use emacs and it will work right away :p 14:01:00 <Alberth> Zuu: Type a bracket at the end, then type % and see whether it jumps. That way you can home in on missing brackets quite quickly 14:01:03 <ConditionalZenith> I'm jumping forward and backward parens in a .nut file right now :p 14:01:31 <ConditionalZenith> and that's without even looking for a squirrel mode 14:02:00 *** gynter [~gynter@78-28-89-156.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:43 <Zuu> Alberth: Yes I can do that, but then I would have to get through all my 1000+ lines. one after one. Then OpenTTD is faster even if it crashes at each found syntax error. 14:04:35 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-75-75-1-141.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:34 <blathijs> Gekz: A Debian repository with nightlies is still on my todo list 14:09:41 <petern> heh 14:09:53 <petern> rorserver: rorthomas * r250 /tests/raknet/ (client/client.cpp server/server.cpp): updated 14:09:58 <petern> ^ verbose commit messages :o 14:10:26 <Zuu> Here is the .nut declaration hacks I made long time a go: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=568055#p568055 14:10:34 <Zuu> (for vim) 14:11:43 <Gekz> blathijs: I've completed the scripts 14:11:47 <Gekz> it's done 14:14:13 <yorick> ah, so there rorthom is 14:16:22 *** curosurf [~xcvxcv@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:33:54 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 14:46:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:50 <canidae> is it possible to change settings for the "performance rating"? eg. make "delivered" give score of 500 instead of 400, or change 40,000 units delivered to 50,000? 14:51:11 <ConditionalZenith> define possible 14:51:20 <ConditionalZenith> if you change the source and recompile, yes 14:51:21 <canidae> without editing code & compiling :p 14:51:27 <ConditionalZenith> in that case, no 14:51:38 <ConditionalZenith> well I shouldn't be so hasty 14:51:56 <ConditionalZenith> it's probably possible to find the constant in the binary and change it using a hex editor 14:52:05 <canidae> i've not seen a setting for it, but it could be some obscure name (like "custom_diff", or "diff_custom") 14:52:13 <ConditionalZenith> but I'm sure you would recompile before attempting taht 14:52:19 <SmatZ> or prepare a savegame that causes buffer overflow and overwrites these constants in the code 14:52:24 <Gekz> loll 14:52:26 <Gekz> Omg 14:52:27 <Gekz> you people 14:52:30 <Gekz> Stop that. 14:52:43 <Gekz> blathijs: are you there? 14:52:50 <ConditionalZenith> so the short answer is no, there's no setting 14:53:17 *** Splex [~splex@60-248-164-67.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227073177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:02:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet745.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:06:56 *** Splex [~splex@60-248-164-67.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:27 *** adam7 [~adam7@114.244.48.168] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:09:29 <ConditionalZenith> swiss town names is causing problems with the content service 15:09:36 <blathijs> Gekz: Yeah, bit busy 15:09:48 <blathijs> Gekz: I'd like to see what you have, but I don't have any time now 15:09:59 <ConditionalZenith> it is constantly switching me between 1.0 and 0.3, every time I select update 15:10:39 <ConditionalZenith> wait, maybe no 0.3 15:10:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:50 <ConditionalZenith> but it insists I update it every time 15:11:02 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c878.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:11:53 <blathijs> Gekz: Do you have it online somewhere, or can you query me? 15:12:27 * blathijs afk 15:22:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:31:31 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 15:34:01 <Rubidium> ConditionalZenith: looks like the packaging went wrong 15:34:19 <rtypo> i was playing on a server and suddenly my comany and all i owned vanished 15:34:23 <rtypo> wtf :( 15:34:39 <ConditionalZenith> while you were on the server? 15:34:48 <ConditionalZenith> or between visits? 15:34:48 <rtypo> yes 15:34:53 <rtypo> no, i rejoined 15:34:59 <rtypo> and then all gone 15:35:11 <ConditionalZenith> I would say the admin deleted you 15:35:23 <rtypo> stupid admin =( 15:35:37 <ConditionalZenith> had it been a long time since you were on the server? 15:35:46 <rtypo> yes 15:36:01 <rtypo> but i quit a minute and rejoined 15:36:17 <rtypo> but no, in a few seconds after rejoining 15:36:45 <rtypo> in fact, i hope it was the admin 15:37:02 <rtypo> it's better than bugs or hackers or anything else 15:37:16 <ConditionalZenith> well it seems the most likely explanation 15:37:22 <rtypo> i hope so 15:37:55 <rtypo> maybe i broked some rules or something 15:37:58 <ConditionalZenith> you didn't go bankrupt? 15:38:04 <rtypo> no 15:39:01 <ConditionalZenith> well I would ask the admin 15:39:33 <ConditionalZenith> at least then you will know 15:39:47 <rtypo> also, is it possible for someone to join my passworded comany by using hacks ? 15:39:54 <rtypo> it happened once :( 15:40:13 <rtypo> that scumbag messed my whole game 15:40:17 <ConditionalZenith> it's possible there's a security hole 15:40:25 <Rubidium> if bruteforcing your password is a hack, then yes 15:40:39 <rtypo> i don't think it went that far 15:40:49 <rtypo> to use bruteforce 15:40:58 <rtypo> but maybe a security hole ? 15:41:07 <rtypo> it's possible, yes... 15:41:29 <rtypo> maybe it got fixed, it happened a couple months ago 15:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> <Zuu> Hmm, wonders if it is possible to make a regex that check for balanced paranteses. <- it is provable that this is not possible 15:41:55 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: Okay 15:42:18 <Progman> Zuu: but pcre got a recursive pattern which "may" solve it 15:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you can only check a bounded number of parens with finite state automatons 15:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. you need to specify a maximum depth 15:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause> any expression with higher depth will get incorrect results 15:43:28 <ConditionalZenith> rtypo: there isn't much point looking into it unless we are sure it wasn't the admin and that it still exists in the nightlies 15:43:57 <rtypo> i asked, but got no response 15:44:06 <rtypo> eh, i hope it doesn't happen again 15:44:34 <rtypo> but thanks for the help 15:44:47 <rtypo> in the end,ii think it was the admin 15:45:58 <Zuu> Progman: Ok, centanly not worth it to dig it up. Given my rusty overall knowledge of regex. :) 15:47:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: for future reference, the language of correct parens is context-free and needs a push down automaton 15:48:35 <Eddi|zuHause> A -> (A) 15:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> A -> eps 15:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> A -> (A)A 15:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> or A -> AA 15:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also normalise the grammar, it should then look like this 15:50:13 <Eddi|zuHause> A -> AA 15:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> A -> BC 15:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> B -> ( 15:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> C -> ) 15:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there's something missing 15:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> A -> BD 15:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> D -> AC 15:51:39 <Zuu> hhmm, I don't follow you. But as said basic regexs is as far as I go usually. 15:52:02 <Zuu> And you don't need to make me understand, just so you know. :-) 15:53:25 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:33 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15136 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15126): (file) name could occasionally be wider than the download window causing glitches. 15:54:12 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.183] has joined #openttd 15:57:11 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:02:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:14:31 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:14:31 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:35 <petern> pom te pom 16:20:20 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r15137 /trunk/src/saveload/ (afterload.cpp oldloader.cpp signs_sl.cpp): -Fix (r11822)(r14340): signs with sign 'Sign' were lost when converting from TTD savegames 16:26:20 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 16:26:42 * Prof_Frink watches wrightais going through the painful process of upgrading aircraft 16:27:05 <petern> squirrelgrf 16:27:09 <petern> "lol" 16:27:11 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15138 /trunk/src/terraform_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2542]: tile error location not reset when leveling land causing a tile to be highlighted when there was nothing to flatten. 16:27:24 <Rexxars> kudos on BaNaNaS, excellent idea :-) 16:27:49 <petern> swiss town names are really popular, for some reason... 16:27:52 <Aali> which basecost is town actions based on? 16:27:56 <Ammler> petern: lol 16:28:25 <Prof_Frink> They don't actually upgrade them, merely replacing them with Dinger 200s when they crash 16:28:33 <Prof_Frink> Which is fairly frequently 16:28:36 <Aali> bribe is suddenly going to cost me 400mil, I'm not sure I want that :P 16:28:43 <Ammler> also my test grf for the lumber mill patch is popular ;-) 16:28:49 <frosch123> Aali: build industry :/ 16:29:03 <petern> Rubidium, when do we get the ability to automatically install a base graphics set? 16:29:13 <Aali> okay, that makes no sense, but atleast explains why it happened :P 16:29:13 *** renea [~renea@82-170-7-78.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Beware of programmers who carry screwdrivers.] 16:29:28 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:29:48 <petern> hmm, for a gnome user, kde 3.5 is not very nice 16:30:15 <Yexo> petern: swiss town names was one of the first newgrf available, like bigger depots. I guess most users just download everything available 16:31:15 <Rubidium> petern: install when? 16:32:02 <Rubidium> furthermore the packaging of swiss town names got messed up making it not show up as downloaded 16:32:12 <Ammler> I am not allowed to upload french cities, yet, only coded it, need to wait for "multi author" support 16:32:47 <petern> Rubidium, when none is available, heh 16:33:09 <petern> actually there's no sample.cat replacement yet 16:33:11 <Rubidium> petern: you like your applications to just magically connect and download stuff? 16:33:12 <petern> so that won't work 16:33:27 <petern> er, well 16:33:29 <Ammler> empty file works now, afaik. 16:33:37 <petern> debian installer does 16:33:40 <petern> windows update does 16:35:23 <Rubidium> anyhow, I'm thinking of making it possible to download the opengfx pack when installing the game (for the Windows installer) 16:35:57 <Rubidium> for debian the package should just depend on something that provides graphics for openttd and that should then select opengfx 16:36:39 <Rubidium> and for the other platforms I've got no idea how to make it an optional thing to download opengfx during the install 16:37:44 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Get your debian packager to look at the quake2-data package and make something similar 16:38:11 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: you mean like http://rbijker.net/openttd/debian/ -ish? 16:38:51 * Prof_Frink has a look 16:39:38 <Rubidium> making the packages isn't the really hard part; setting up a sane repository is 16:40:54 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@54.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 16:41:05 <Terkhen> hello 16:41:21 <Ammler> [17:32] <Rubidium> furthermore the packaging of swiss town names got messed up making it not show up as downloaded <-- did I upload it wrong? 16:41:43 <Ammler> I tried first the zip, then 7z and at last tar.bz2 16:41:52 <Rubidium> Ammler: I don't think so 16:42:01 <Rubidium> .zip and .tar.bz2 should work 16:42:09 <Rubidium> but apparantly fail 16:42:13 <Ammler> zip didn't yesterday night 16:42:37 <Rubidium> a plain .tar file (without compression) should also work 16:42:40 <Ammler> well, it might be because it was a 7z-zip 16:43:34 <Ammler> I fear, I can't reupload it again 16:43:47 <Ammler> would need to make a version step with other md5sum 16:44:06 <Rubidium> I could corrupt the md5 sum ;) 16:44:41 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: I'm not sure, but with quake2-data it asks for the CD or downloads the demo and uses the files from that 16:44:49 <Ammler> also a downgrade link would be nice 16:45:00 <Ammler> if you upload a buggy version 16:45:08 <Rubidium> Ammler: try uploading now 16:45:19 <Ammler> still as tar.bz2? 16:45:25 <Rubidium> no as simple .tar 16:45:25 <Prof_Frink> So in this case, it would ask for the CD (or installed dir) or download opengfx 16:49:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: still broken 16:50:44 <Rubidium> wtf... /me slaps TrueBrain 16:50:48 <Ammler> I see the issue 16:50:52 <Rubidium> even as tar it fails... 16:51:00 <Ammler> it does unpack well 16:51:14 <Ammler> but then the grf will be renamed to the packname 16:51:15 <Rubidium> it should (as in how it is planned) just package the grf and not the tar 16:51:40 <Ammler> i renamed the tar _in_ the pack to *.grf and it works 16:52:44 <Rubidium> odd... 16:52:57 <Rubidium> so the tar in the tar is actually the grf 16:52:57 <De_Ghosty> !r 1 16:53:04 <Ammler> Rubidium: yep. 16:53:10 <De_Ghosty> !svn 1 16:53:16 <De_Ghosty> what was that command 16:53:27 <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org 16:53:27 <De_Ghosty> that check what the update was about 16:54:01 <Yexo> De_Ghosty: @commit revision 16:54:21 <De_Ghosty> @commit 1 16:54:21 <DorpsGek> De_Ghosty: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 16:54:22 <DorpsGek> De_Ghosty: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 16:54:31 <De_Ghosty> kk thx 16:54:37 <petern> liboobs :o 16:54:48 <Ammler> Rubidium: or a function to change the active newgrf 16:55:14 <Ammler> my LumberMill grf is now 1.1 but still 1.0 available 16:55:21 <Ammler> because I uploaded 1.0 after 1.1 16:56:16 <Rubidium> well... you should update them in that order then ;) 16:56:20 <Ammler> the idea was to test, if it is possible to make a save game safe upload later. 16:57:05 <Ammler> i.e. most authors will only upload the newest grfs like ISR 0.8 16:57:30 <Ammler> but then I would like to bugger him until he also upload the old versions. 16:57:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA9E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:21 <petern> bugger him? :o 16:58:35 <Rubidium> Ammler: talk to TB about adding that ;) 16:59:08 <Ammler> petern: might be wrong word :-) 16:59:41 <Rubidium> he meant "bully him into doing it" ;) 17:02:31 <Ammler> a mass importer for the whole coop grf pack would be nice too ;-) 17:03:08 <Rubidium> you're not the author of those grfs, are you? 17:03:29 <Ammler> yeah, I know 17:04:17 <Ammler> but we would be allowed to 17:04:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15139 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_airport.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: a wrong tile got returned for hangar tiles when the station sign isn't over st->airport_tile. 17:04:40 <Ammler> pm asked the authors if they would give permission for autodownload 17:06:02 <Ammler> we would need to remove around 10% but most would be there. 17:06:18 <petern> "bug him" (to pester) is quite different from "bugger him" (have anal sex with) 17:07:00 <Ammler> hmm, that would be quite a high price for 17:10:45 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:16:18 <petern> ahh, that's better 17:16:27 <petern> kde didn't support window resizing, gnome does 17:16:42 <petern> so i can now get my fix of linux inside virtualbox 17:24:08 *** keiya [~kyevan@pool-71-98-6-23.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: keiya] 17:24:26 <Ammler> Rubidium: thanks :-) 17:29:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-118-49.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:10 <Sacro> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/65864/1232288785/mourningmorph.jpg 17:32:10 <petern> quite 17:33:42 <Ammler> Rubidium: who did upload the 2cc? 17:33:53 <Ammler> looks like it wasn't djnekkid 17:34:27 <Ammler> (older version then in our pack) 17:35:19 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:36:17 <Ammler> first illegal upload ;-) 17:41:26 <Rubidium> Ammler: someone with DJNekkid as nick uploaded 17:41:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:38 <Rubidium> +2cc 17:41:40 <Ammler> hmm 17:41:54 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:42:07 <Eddi|zuHause> is the 2cc set GPL? 17:42:16 <Ammler> something CC 17:42:53 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: that doesn't matter, as bananas states quite obvious you can only upload something you own (you can't claim that even if it's gpl) 17:42:53 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: the rules of BaNaNaS don't allow uploading GPL content if you are not the owner 17:43:12 <Ammler> or did I get it wrong? 17:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause> but who _IS_ the "owner" of a GPL project? 17:43:53 <Sacro> you still retain ownership of your input 17:44:00 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: "they" are wokring on a multi-user thing... 17:44:05 <Sacro> the issue comes with public domain 17:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a concept that contradicts the spirit of the GPL 17:44:14 <Rubidium> don't mix words... it's author not owner 17:44:30 <Sacro> ARGH MY GOD 17:44:38 <Sacro> THE CAPITALISATION, MY EYES DX 17:44:50 <Eddi|zuHause> author... fine... then i can upload a GPL project as soon as i have made modification to it? 17:45:02 <Ammler> "You will only upload content of which you are the original author." 17:45:28 <Sacro> also, s/, which services/that serves/ please god 17:45:36 *** ConditionalZenith [~blah@60-242-48-182.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:45:55 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: so, you can't 17:46:11 <Eddi|zuHause> this is absurd 17:46:28 * Sacro makes a request that no more foreigners write english pages 17:46:38 <SpComb> author seems to imply copyright 17:46:49 <Sacro> SpComb: author implies creator 17:46:54 <SpComb> and who owns the copyright to something is independant of the GPL license 17:46:58 <Sacro> owner would imply copyright 17:47:12 <Sacro> or maybe :\ 17:47:14 <glx> GPL doesn't imply no copyright 17:47:21 <Sacro> glx: nope 17:47:26 <Sacro> what about PD graphics? 17:47:31 <Sacro> they have no owner 17:47:51 <glx> PD is US only IIRC 17:47:52 <Yexo> Sacro: PD doesn't exist in all countries 17:48:03 <Sacro> glx: UK has PD too afaik 17:48:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't claim that GPL implys no copyright, but if i adopt a (possibly abandoned) GPL project, or make a fork, why would you exclude me from bananas? 17:48:47 *** Splex [~splex@60-248-164-67.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:47 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: you could technically only upload that which you have created 17:48:53 <Eddi|zuHause> where i have all legal right to distribute the project otherwise 17:49:03 <SpComb> uploading a GPL project to bananas wouldn't violate the license, but it would violate banana's terms as pasted above by Ammler 17:49:07 <Ammler> because you could annoy the original author, if he appears again :-) 17:49:23 <SpComb> since the GPL gives you the right to distribute it 17:49:29 <Sacro> Ammler: who cares? he released it under GPL 17:49:33 <Sacro> he can STFU as far as that goes 17:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: yes, i know that, hence why i oppose to the bananas' terms 17:50:15 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: this term is probably their to make grf authors happy :) 17:50:16 <SpComb> I gather the ultimate intention of bananas is to give the graphics artists control over how their graphics are used 17:50:53 <Ammler> is the coder of a set a original author? 17:51:11 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> there are other caveats: if a grf is a team project, no single member of the team is allowed to upload it to bananas 17:51:20 <SpComb> a set can have multiple auathors 17:52:01 <Sacro> SpComb: but none can upload it 17:52:09 <Yexo> <Ammler> is the coder of a set a original author? <- I'd say one of the original authors. 17:52:47 <Sacro> none of us is as powerful as all of us 17:52:53 <SpComb> where are those terms listed? 17:53:00 <SpComb> do you need to login to see them? 17:53:04 <Ammler> http://www.openttd.org/en/bananas/manager/signup/ 17:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: by german copyright, "author" is any participator that made a sufficiently creative contribution 17:53:11 <Ammler> you might need to register to view it 17:53:15 <glx> bananas is still wip 17:53:35 <glx> it works but will be be improved 17:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that is exactly why i want to point out flaws ;) 17:53:39 <Ammler> openttd is still wip :-) 17:53:46 <Sacro> errm 17:53:55 <Sacro> AFACT that policy is unenforcable 17:54:02 <Sacro> Yep 17:54:05 <Sacro> nowhere do you agree to it 17:54:09 <glx> the main goal was the AIs 17:54:21 <Sacro> When you sign up you don't agree to the policy 17:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: by that definition, "coder" is an author, unless his "work" merely consisted of copy-pasting an existing example 17:54:24 <glx> other stuff is a bonus 17:54:29 <Sacro> and there is no "By using this site you agree to:" 17:54:37 <Ammler> Sacro: you can register without agree 17:54:38 <Sionide> what's bananas? :s 17:54:39 <Sacro> so it can probably be ignored 17:54:51 <Sacro> Ammler: yep, thus privacy policy is quite likly unenforcable anyway 17:54:54 <Ammler> agreement is only needed if you like to upload 17:55:03 <Sacro> hmm, where is that states? 17:55:23 <Ammler> that page comes after reg. 17:55:33 <Sacro> heh, 404 17:55:38 <Sacro> sign up, login, 404 17:55:46 <Ammler> (you might need to sign up) 17:55:50 <Sacro> have done 17:56:00 <Ammler> then try again the link 17:56:00 <Sacro> http://www.openttd.org/en/accounts/profile/ 404 17:56:18 <Ammler> that page isn't done 17:56:23 * Rubidium reslaps TrueBrain about that issue 17:56:37 <SpComb> Sacro: go back to manager 17:56:39 <Sacro> hm, that might be unenforcable too 17:56:42 <Sacro> because of the wording 17:56:57 <Sacro> you have to accept the form to view it 17:57:09 <SpComb> I'm not sure the "enforcement" really matters, it's not like OpenTTD's going to sue you if you voilate those 17:57:21 <Sacro> ARG 17:57:24 <SpComb> it's more a question of intentions and how those are worded 17:57:34 <Sacro> "ITS UNIQUE IDENTIFIER" NO DAMNED APOSTROPHE 17:58:02 * Sacro will correct that page and e-mail it to the proper authorities 17:58:13 <SpComb> a wiki! 18:00:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:03:03 <Ammler> [18:54] <glx> other stuff is a bonus <-- but a lot complicater ;-) 18:05:17 <Ammler> will you really allow other license then GPL for ais? 18:05:32 <Yexo> Ammler: why not? 18:05:45 <SpComb> whatever the license is it needs to give OpenTTD the right to redistribute it 18:06:16 <Ammler> SpComb, didn't find a "official" license which doesn't 18:06:39 <Ammler> Yexo: because noai is new 18:07:41 <Ammler> it shouldn't be handled that complicated like newgrfs 18:11:54 <Wolf01> I have a symple question about the content download: if I handle the grf folder with SVN to keep it in sync with my 3 computers and since I change names for the files to keep all the versions, what does happen if I download the updated content? 18:12:13 <George> Question about online content feature. Why when I press to dowload new WrightAI, it reports 21K done, but when I close OTTD and start it again, it loses the previous result and I have to download AI again. Why isn't it stored? 18:12:41 <Rubidium> Wolf01: everything that gets downloaded gets an unique name; it won't remove stuff 18:13:14 <Rubidium> George: most likely because it can't find the new wrightai, although that's strange 18:13:25 <Rubidium> did you compile OpenTTD yourself? 18:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <SpComb> whatever the license is it needs to give OpenTTD the right to redistribute it <- why would it? at least in german copyright, temporary distribution for technical reasons can be done without license (and without payment) 18:13:43 <Wolf01> Rubidium, but the updated grf will be put in the same folder of the current grf? 18:14:19 <Rubidium> nope, all in $personal_dir/content_download/[ai|data]/ 18:14:27 <George> Rubidium: Me??? Never :D 18:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that mainly means you can copy a program from a storage medium to ram, in order to execute it 18:14:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but it must then again be removed from the ram 18:14:59 <George> Rubidium: but OTTD reports 21 Kb downloaded 18:15:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause/SpComb: the idea is that people grant us the rights to distribute their NewGRF to our clients, so the license doesn't really matter 18:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and you are not allowed to access that ram for means other than executing 18:15:38 <Rubidium> George: it doesn't say that it completed? 18:16:06 <George> it says "dounload complete" Ok 18:16:16 <George> DOWNLOAD 18:16:29 <George> 100% 18:16:41 <George> need a screenshot? 18:16:52 <Rubidium> got no idea what's wrong in that case 18:17:02 <Rubidium> George: a screenshot doesn't tell me anything 18:17:22 <George> And where should it save the downloaded content? 18:17:43 <Rubidium> you know where openttd.cfg is? 18:18:19 <Rubidium> in that directory should be a content_download directory which has an ai directory and in there the tar of wrightai should be 18:19:32 <Ammler> Rubidium: will there ever be a webdownload? 18:19:40 <George> Ah, it is in my personal folder, while AI should be in OTTD folder. So it does not unpack it to required place? 18:20:23 <Rubidium> Ammler: don't know 18:20:37 <Rubidium> George: AIs can also be in your personal folder 18:20:48 <Ammler> would be nice, else you have to maintain multiple localtions 18:21:29 <George> and what should happen if they are in both the folders? 18:22:05 <Rubidium> it should be searching both and find them in both... unless... 18:23:09 <Rubidium> the AI searching algorithm finds all, but only uses one and (internally) discards the others 18:24:08 <Rubidium> so you've got two AIs with the same version number and apparantly it chooses the one that didn't get downloaded via the content system 18:24:12 *** Splex [~splex@60-248-164-67.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:25:27 <Rubidium> so to solve your "problem" for now you have to remove the old wrightai directory 18:25:36 <George> Rubidium: I've moved all the data into the game folder, so now I have only one folder. The problem remains 18:26:01 <Wolf01> George, do you think is it possible to add a little description of the parameters for ECS on the grf description? I always forget about them each time I update and I have to set them all again 18:26:24 <George> Wolf01: feel free to make it 18:26:53 <Ammler> I guess, he meant to Action8 18:27:09 <Wolf01> that's it, thank you Ammler 18:27:57 <George> Wolf01: suggest a text. The text from the wiki is too big for this window 18:28:01 <Rubidium> George: as I said you should remove the wrightai directory/install you've got 18:28:15 <Rubidium> or wait till a new wrightai (with higher version number) gets distributed 18:29:40 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:01 <George> Rubidium: Should I manally install all the downloaded files? 18:30:08 <Rubidium> George: no 18:30:46 <George> Rubidium: and how should I say OTTD to do it? 18:30:54 <Rubidium> it's a conflict of TWO versions of the AI with the SAME version number that causes the problem 18:31:31 <Rubidium> the solution is: a) removing the "wrong" AI, b) wait till a new AI gets distributed with the right version number 18:32:09 <Zuu> c) remove the "wrong" and the "right" AI and then install the right from the content server 18:32:22 <Rubidium> that's effectively a 18:32:42 <Zuu> If you are sure which is the wrong and right version. 18:32:51 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Yes, but makes sure you remove the right wrong AI. 18:33:16 <Prof_Frink> Or indeed, the right wrong wrightAI. 18:33:35 <glx> would be nice to have a "global" content_download and "local" openttd.cfg 18:33:42 <glx> useful for multiple install 18:33:46 <Zuu> Though it is quite unlikely the right wrong wrightAI is in the content_download directory. 18:34:10 <Zuu> eh, the wrong wright AI.. 18:34:30 <Prof_Frink> glx: That's what symlinks are for. 18:34:48 <glx> tell that to windows :) 18:34:55 <glx> (I know it's possible) 18:34:58 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:35:27 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FF0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:48 <Rubidium> glx: implement it ;) 18:36:05 <Wolf01> oh, another thing, I don't know if it's a bug of OTTD or a behavior of you grfs: if I set 0 0 1 15 as parameters for basic vector, coal mines shouldn't close because I enabled both endless mines (harvest=0) and don't close mines until exhausted, but I found that coal mines are harvested and can reach 0 but the resources will be added again randomly and manually placed mines will close randomly 18:36:40 <glx> Rubidium: as I understand it (reading the diff), you based it on "save" code 18:36:49 <George> Wolf01: basick vector has only 2!!!! parameters 18:37:24 <Wolf01> uhm yes, that was the town vector maybe 18:37:46 <Wolf01> in fact basic has 0 15 18:37:49 <George> Wolf01: read the wiki 18:38:01 <George> Rubidium: a) helped 18:38:52 <Wolf01> George, I always set the parameters using the wiki :P (that's why I asked for adding them to the grf description) 18:40:04 <George> Then you can easily suggest a text for action 8 :D 18:40:15 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:25 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:40:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffec4.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:23 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15140 /trunk/ (Makefile.bundle.in bin/ai/library/): -Cleanup (r15128): remove AI installation/bundling as we don't distribute AIs via the bundles anymore 18:41:35 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba607a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 18:42:52 <George> Rubidium: Yexo and what about a possibility to select AIs to play with in advanced settings menu? 18:43:03 <Yexo> George: working on it :) 18:43:26 <Yexo> awaiting review by Rubidium / glx now 18:43:40 <George> Yexo: would it allow sorting AIs? 18:43:52 <George> I mean what AI starts first 18:43:55 <Yexo> George: yes 18:44:06 <Yexo> it allows you to chose one AI per company slot 18:44:12 <George> Yexo: Good! 18:44:14 <Yexo> and they are started in the order you configure them 18:44:17 <glx> George: it will allow easy management of [ai_players] section 18:44:34 <petern> if people are going to upload random stuff do we need to moderate it? 18:44:51 <George> petern: imho yes 18:46:20 <Wolf01> and what about the closure of mines question? 18:46:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r15141 /trunk/src/lang/ (13 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:46:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-01-18 18:46:25 18:46:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: czech - 51 fixed by Hadez (51) 18:46:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 30 fixed by Excel20 (30) 18:46:54 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: finnish - 51 fixed by jpx_ (51) 18:46:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: french - 51 fixed by glx (51) 18:46:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hebrew - 50 fixed by tarkil (50) 18:48:40 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:49:07 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 18:49:24 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:32 <Ammler> [19:33] <glx> would be nice to have a "global" content_download and "local" openttd.cfg <-- or something like a local overwrite function, so you can keep some settings global 18:53:08 <glx> Ammler: hard to implement I think 18:54:20 <Ammler> does openttd load the cfg multiple times? 18:54:33 <petern> no 18:54:42 <Ammler> hmm, well, hard to know, where to write changes 18:54:44 <George> Wolf01: What? 18:55:05 <Wolf01> why my mines close 18:55:43 <George> provide a savegame before the mine is closed 18:57:04 <Wolf01> I should have one 19:00:14 * Wolf01 http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/coalmine_should_close_soon.sav 19:00:47 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:36 <Wolf01> TTRSv3 + all ECS + DB set + eGRVTS + UKRS + ISRv8 and other stations grfs :P 19:01:36 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:44 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 19:08:02 <George> ECS Basic vector has paramer 15, not 0 15. And ECS should be loaded FIRST, before any GRF that uses cargoes, like stations, vehicles, houses! 19:10:00 <George> And how did you made wrightAI to use RVs? 19:10:37 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-40.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:42 <Wolf01> that was an old game, and when I loaded it with the latest trunk the AI become wrightAI 19:12:03 <George> Rubidium: When I press check online content in newgrf window, OTTD crashes 19:12:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 19:13:55 <Rubidium> George: can't reproduce it myself 19:14:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.176.244] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:05 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 19:14:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 19:14:29 <Zuu> Also, if Woulf01 would have used say Convoy and uploaded the save, but I don't have Convoy, then a random AI will be picked. As of how it works now. But one of the goals with bananas was to address this issue if I recall correctly. But as we know bananas is WIP. 19:15:06 <Zuu> Wolf01* 19:15:25 <George> Rubidium: it happens only when I load the savegame by Wolf01, it reports, that some GRFs are missing, and then I press it in newgrf window 19:15:47 <George> in the main window it works well here too 19:17:19 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba607a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:19:55 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Mortal] 19:22:48 <George> Rubidium: I try to download new tram tracks with online content feature, and it reports 333Kb downloaded, but in content folder I find a tar of 580Kb! 19:23:10 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FF0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 19:23:13 <petern> gzipped? 19:23:29 <Wolf01> your computer lies 19:23:33 <George> petern: Who? 19:23:40 <petern> 333KB downloaded 19:23:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15142 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15126): missing NewGRFs cause a crash when getting the content list. 19:23:58 <petern> yeah 19:24:04 <petern> the download is compressed 19:24:08 <Rubidium> George: it downloads 333 KiB compressed and then uncompresses it 19:24:25 <petern> openttd can't read compressed files yet 19:24:30 <George> confusing :S 19:24:53 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you should be able to upload your swiss-grf file thingy correctly now 19:25:16 <petern> so is the "2cc Trainset" uploaded by a random person? 19:25:16 <Wolf01> .tar is not compressed 19:25:16 <George> and a grf file inside has a strange name Desctop.tar 19:25:32 <Ammler> petern: rubidum said djnekkid :-) 19:25:49 <yorick> that doesn't mean it has to be dj nekkid 19:25:56 <petern> Desktop.tar 19:25:57 <petern> :o 19:26:08 <Ammler> but somehow strange as he made a bugfix release at 29. dec 19:26:15 <George> petern: yes 19:26:19 <yorick> ask him then 19:27:25 <petern> so that won't work 19:28:05 <Ammler> TrueBrain: shall I "fake" a new version 19:28:24 <Ammler> so the people get a update 19:28:33 <TrueBrain> we removed your current grfs 19:28:46 <Ammler> I meant those who already downloaded it 19:29:02 <TrueBrain> hmm .. updates are checked against uniqueid/uniquemd5, not Rubidium? 19:29:15 <TrueBrain> Ammler: those who already downloaded them can't load them 19:29:21 <TrueBrain> so 'updating' won't happen at all I guess :p 19:29:38 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I changed the md5sum of Ammler's wrong ones to something invalid 19:29:44 <Ammler> well, I meant with "fake" a new version also change md5sum 19:29:55 <petern> dbg: [misc] The file '/home/petern/.openttd/content_download/data/New_Tram_Tracks.0.4.1/Desktop.tar' isn't a valid tar-file 19:29:57 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that I noticed ;) 19:29:58 <petern> heh 19:30:29 <Ammler> TrueBrain: can I use now bz2 again? 19:30:34 <TrueBrain> removed New_Tram_Tracks from content server ;) 19:30:39 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you always could :) 19:30:43 <Ammler> :P 19:30:47 <TrueBrain> just the in-tar file had the wrong extension 19:31:05 <TrueBrain> (.tar or .tar.bz2 or .tar.gz or .zip (which ever format you uploaded in)), instead of grf ;) 19:31:20 <petern> nice little bug 19:31:31 <TrueBrain> bugs happen 19:31:47 <TrueBrain> there are 19 ways to upload a file to the system ... I could only test so many ;) 19:31:58 <TrueBrain> who uploaded newtramtracks? 19:31:59 <petern> hmm, no nightly yet ;( 19:32:06 <TrueBrain> (/me == lazy :p) 19:32:14 <TrueBrain> petern: 2 more minutes 19:32:17 <petern> you're the one with database access 19:32:25 <George> petern: About uploading. How can I fix the license entry if selected it wrong? As you can see, ECS Chemical vector has by acident CC-SA while all other files are CC-ND 19:32:32 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: foobar? 19:32:38 <petern> George: absolutely no idea 19:32:48 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: to get a drink? Good idea :) 19:32:58 <TrueBrain> (foobar is the name of the cafe inside our IT department ;)) 19:33:12 <TrueBrain> George: upload a new one, and select the right license :) 19:33:27 <petern> so users can't change details in their uploads? :o 19:33:37 <George> TrueBrain: do you mean update the file with the same file? 19:33:39 <TrueBrain> petern: you can change most details 19:33:42 <TrueBrain> just the LICENSE file is included in the tar 19:33:48 <TrueBrain> so .. not possible to change after upload :) 19:33:54 <TrueBrain> (people could already hav edownloaded them) 19:34:00 <petern> hm 19:34:17 <TrueBrain> selecting the wrong license is just a bit stupid ;) You should always double check :) Mwhahaha :) 19:34:20 <petern> how do custom licenses work? 19:34:21 <TrueBrain> George: which file? 19:34:46 <TrueBrain> petern: you supply a license in the tar 19:34:47 <George> TrueBrain: ECS Chemical vector II 19:34:49 <Rubidium> people have to supply a license file in their archive they upload 19:34:52 <petern> ahh 19:34:55 <petern> nice 19:35:25 <George> Rubidium: I could not upload rar archive, so I had to upload GRF itself 19:35:26 <TrueBrain> George: I removed it from the DB, you are free to reupload it 19:35:29 <Ammler> (content GUI has no newline support) 19:35:34 <petern> rar? 19:35:38 <Ammler> just question marks are there 19:35:39 <petern> who suggested rar? 19:35:42 <TrueBrain> rar support .. now that is a nice one :) 19:35:44 <Rubidium> Ammler: wut? 19:35:52 <George> petern: rar. I use rar 19:35:54 <petern> Ammler, svn up 19:36:13 <Zuu> Ammler: That was fixed earlier today I think. 19:36:40 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:03 <Zuu> r15135 | rubidium 19:37:03 <Zuu> -Fix/Change: allow str_validate (part of receiving strings from the network) to pass newlines instead of replacing them with question marks, but only when asked to do so. 19:37:23 <Ammler> he, just uploaded and already a download :-) 19:37:35 <petern> TrueBrain, your two minutes are well over 19:37:46 <TrueBrain> Ammler: the content service really does work ;) 19:37:51 <Rubidium> 20:35 <@DorpsGek> CompileFarm: nightly (r15141) completed. 19:38:01 <Rubidium> which is two minutes ago 19:38:06 <TrueBrain> :) 19:38:20 <TrueBrain> I do know my baby ;) 19:38:24 <petern> which was a minute after TrueBrain gave me two ;) 19:39:09 <petern> how long does it take to transfer to the site then? 19:39:17 <TrueBrain> petern: depends on how you look at your clock :) 19:39:25 <petern> :( 19:39:33 <petern> wait a second 19:39:34 <Rubidium> the frontpage is cached and that's refreshed every 5 minutes 19:39:36 <petern> why do i care :/ 19:39:45 <TrueBrain> petern: when ever DorpsGek tells about it in #openttd.notice .. then the cache update :) 19:39:49 <George> and thy do online content does not suggest to upload a new version of OTTD? 19:39:58 * TrueBrain considers removing the cache :p 19:40:13 <Ammler> TrueBrain: how sure are you, that it works now? 19:40:14 <petern> it's there now :D 19:40:42 <Ammler> or how much would you bet ;-) 19:41:05 <Ammler> I still have tar.bz2 in my tar 19:41:21 <TrueBrain> Ammler: how did you manage to do that ...... 19:41:31 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-50.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:50 <Ammler> oh 19:41:53 <Ammler> no 19:42:22 <Ammler> it still works with rename to *.grf 19:42:40 <petern> you shouldn't need to rename it after downloading... 19:42:48 <petern> gah 19:42:52 <Ammler> indeed :-) 19:43:00 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1050 19:43:02 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:05 <petern> can we please change the default networking debug level for dedicated servers? 19:43:16 <Ammler> I am wondering, nobody else used the pack upload mode. 19:43:39 <Ammler> petern: use Autopilot 19:43:41 <George> Could license be displayed here, please? http://www.openttd.org/en/bananas/manager/ 19:45:03 <Ammler> and TrueBrain, html should also be allowed as readme extension 19:45:13 <Ammler> at least MB has them 19:45:24 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I disagree with you on that :) 19:45:28 *** vraa [~vraa@rrcs-71-42-217-50.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:30 <TrueBrain> .txt and .pdf should be fine 19:45:36 <TrueBrain> .html is a VERY SUCKY format for licenses ... 19:45:43 <Ammler> for readme 19:46:08 <Ammler> hmm 19:48:01 <petern> .txt is best 19:48:15 <petern> then there is the possibility that it may be shown in openttd at some point 19:48:17 <George> I've downloaded new tram tracks 0.4.1 with online content feature, but can't add to newgrfs list, because OTTD does not see such GRF 19:48:26 *** Guest1050 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:36 <TrueBrain> I agree with you petern :) 19:49:06 <Ammler> that is indeed a good argument to exclude pdf, too. 19:49:07 <TrueBrain> George: new tram tracks 0.4.1 experiences same error as Ammler :) 19:49:11 <TrueBrain> it is removed from the content service 19:49:11 <petern> George, pay attention, it has been removed. 19:49:31 <petern> BaNaNaS needs a revokation system :/ 19:49:50 <TrueBrain> petern: hehe :) 19:49:56 <TrueBrain> massive client removal when required ;) 19:50:04 <TrueBrain> Ammler: do you have a http address with the packag eyou try to upload? 19:50:17 <Ammler> well, I can 19:50:19 <petern> hmm, signed content? heh 19:50:23 <George> But what to dow with downloaded file? to delete it and use old 0.4? Fortunately I have a back up 19:51:02 <TrueBrain> George: give us a sec to fix things :) 19:51:10 <George> Ok :) 19:52:15 <Ammler> TrueBrain: https://ammler.ch/openttd/ 19:52:59 <Prof_Frink> Heh this AI has a 13 year old Dinger 200. What do you think its next oldest plane is? 19:54:02 * Zuu is playing around with 'scrollto' command in the title screen. :-) 19:54:28 <Zuu> Enabling smooth scrolling makes it a bit easier to find interesting things. :) 19:54:37 <Prof_Frink> That's right, a 71 year old Vickers Viscount. 19:54:49 <petern> oh you beat me to it :( 19:57:37 <TrueBrain> Ammler: uploading on the test-site works perfectly 19:57:41 <TrueBrain> so I see no reason why the live would fuck up ... 19:57:44 <TrueBrain> can you try again please? :) 19:57:51 <Ammler> :-) 19:58:34 <petern> damn, none of the grfs on my server are on bananas 19:59:10 <TrueBrain> btw, .rar support is added for uploading 20:00:09 <Ammler> hmm, if I have a grfcrawler entry 20:00:17 <Ammler> do I need to add the url? 20:00:27 <Prof_Frink> petern: Shout at the grf authors until they stick 'em on! 20:00:31 <Ammler> or will you create a link to the crawler anyway? 20:00:34 <TrueBrain> if you like 20:01:00 <orudge> TrueBrain: we finally have the domain transfer codes :) 20:01:18 <TrueBrain> orudge: about time!! 20:03:10 <Prof_Frink> Teh upload codez? 20:04:52 <TrueBrain> Ammler: now it is correct 20:04:54 <TrueBrain> and I didn't touch it :p 20:04:57 <TrueBrain> how cool is that! 20:05:42 <Ammler> TrueBrain: indeed 20:05:55 <Ammler> but it wasn't in the newgrf list 20:06:41 <TrueBrain> petern: can you check if the cache problem of yesterday happens now? 20:06:57 <TrueBrain> nevermind, I see it right in my face :p 20:06:57 <TrueBrain> haha 20:07:03 <Ammler> TrueBrain: is it already possible to hide somehow a grf from some revs 20:07:09 <Ammler> or at all 20:07:26 <Ammler> just available with the specific md5sum 20:07:42 <TrueBrain> if only I knew what he was asking .. 20:08:10 <Ammler> I uploaded a grf and defined min version to nightly 99999 20:08:23 <glx> that's stupid :) 20:08:29 <Ammler> but it is still available in the content list 20:08:31 <TrueBrain> I should prevent that abuse I guess ... 20:08:40 <Ammler> glx: how should I do that? 20:08:40 <TrueBrain> and why do you ask me that? 20:08:47 <TrueBrain> why would you ever want to do that 20:08:50 <TrueBrain> either upload a grf, or don't 20:08:54 <orudge> TrueBrain: so, do you want the name servers left as liefdeis for now? 20:08:55 <TrueBrain> but uploading for some unreal revision .. 20:09:14 <Ammler> that grf is only useable for a patched release 20:09:14 <TrueBrain> orudge: you were going to take over the ns, not? 20:09:15 <petern> at the moment :D 20:09:19 <orudge> TrueBrain: I can do, yes 20:09:20 <TrueBrain> orudge: that was the request ;) 20:09:26 <TrueBrain> Ammler: then don't upload it at all 20:09:30 <TrueBrain> rather useless and pointless 20:09:31 <orudge> but there have been some new DNS entries since, so we'd best synchronise things ;) 20:09:46 <glx> bananas is for stable and trunk (compatible) versions 20:09:48 <TrueBrain> orudge: please do :) And if possible, hav esomething for us to add entries ;) 20:09:55 <TrueBrain> orudge: dig! :p 20:10:01 <orudge> quite 20:10:08 <Ammler> what is min version "custom" for then? 20:10:08 <petern> won't show everything 20:10:14 <orudge> I can likely sort something out for the entry thing 20:10:16 <petern> unless you allowed zone transfers... 20:11:02 <TrueBrain> orudge: would be nice :) 20:11:16 <TrueBrain> petern: openttd.org gives all details ;) 20:11:21 <TrueBrain> we have nothing to hide, really :) 20:12:00 <Ammler> well, currently it is nightly only anyway 20:12:07 <Rubidium> Ammler: custom allows you to specifically enter the '_openttd_newgrf_version' style version number 20:12:21 <Ammler> but you will have that after it get stable state anyway 20:13:07 <Ammler> like ECS needs nightly 20:13:20 <Ammler> but it has also ECS which would work with 0.6.3 20:14:14 <Rubidium> Ammler: you would get the last 'marked' working (for your version) 20:14:34 <Ammler> and how do I mark my grf? 20:14:37 <Rubidium> i.e. the last with where your _openttd_newgrf_version falls between the min and max version number 20:16:04 <George> Ammler: What ECS version works in 0.6.3? 20:16:23 <Ammler> George: dunno, just a example :-) 20:16:42 <Rubidium> George: alpha1-ish or so? 20:17:36 <George> Rubidium: I can't say alpha 1 WORK :S 20:17:55 <Ammler> I gess, until december 20:18:17 <Ammler> from beta5 20:18:32 <TrueBrain> django is failing on me ... 20:18:58 <Ammler> at least someone complained that the ECS of coop pack doesn't work anymore on his server 20:19:25 <Ammler> so I assume, it did earlier :-) 20:20:51 <Ammler> we weren't able to make a ECS game, yet. 20:21:11 <Ammler> so no need to backwards compatibilty for. ;-) 20:22:01 <George> AFAIR, I could not run ECS on 0.6.3. But may be I did not want to do it much. 20:23:51 <Ammler> We/I never play stable 20:24:06 <Ammler> too "unstable" :-) 20:24:16 <Rubidium> lol 20:25:25 <TrueBrain> petern: let me know if the cache problems of yesterday returns 20:25:28 <TrueBrain> the cache is now disabled ;) :p 20:25:33 <petern> D: 20:25:53 <orudge> TrueBrain: OK, it seems it'll take up to a few days to process, but should now go through OK 20:26:32 <TrueBrain> orudge: if the other side helps, it can be done within a few minutes :p 20:26:36 <orudge> well, yes 20:26:40 <orudge> they got an e-mail from godaddy 20:26:41 <TrueBrain> if not, a 5 day expire is in place yes :p 20:26:46 <orudge> apparently it doesn't have an "instant approve" button though 20:26:52 <orudge> if they want it to proceed, "do nothing"! 20:26:56 <orudge> so we have to wait it seems 20:27:14 <TrueBrain> there is one, but hidden 20:27:16 <TrueBrain> but oh well :p 20:27:19 <orudge> ah 20:27:26 <orudge> never mind, anyway 20:27:32 <orudge> the domains will then be registered until 2011 20:30:26 <orudge> DNS should be up-to-date now 20:31:54 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227073177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227073177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:54 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:32:37 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:47 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv134.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:34:45 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba607a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41:44 <SpComb> who is Tord Viktor? 20:42:08 <orudge> that'd be wiggo 20:42:14 <orudge> ludde's brother, as I recall 20:42:22 <SpComb> heh 20:42:34 <SpComb> who is it being trasferred to? 20:42:40 <orudge> myself 20:42:52 <SpComb> :o 20:43:13 <SpComb> I thought OpenTTD operated their own infrastructure these days 20:43:21 <orudge> by and large, yes 20:43:25 <orudge> but they don't have their own domain registrar 20:43:41 * orudge deals with OpenTTD's money-type stuff, so it's also convenient for him to own and renew the domain 20:43:45 <orudge> and host the DNS now, too 20:47:12 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:49:46 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:32 <Aali> who wrote the center company patch? 20:50:55 <Ammler> SmatZ: if you mean center_player 20:55:28 *** keiya [~kyevan@pool-71-98-6-23.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:10 <Aali> you're not supposed to say player anymore 20:58:18 <Aali> since r14421 :P 21:08:48 <Ammler> well, I trust SmatZ :P 21:09:19 <Yexo> center_player was (is?) from before r14421 21:09:38 <Ammler> well, there is one with >1500 21:09:40 <Ammler> 0 21:10:26 <Ammler> it is really nice to watch a mp game with 21:10:49 * Yexo has still the r13210 patch around :o 21:10:53 <Ammler> specially coop, might not be fun for other servers :-) 21:11:21 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8EE5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:13:59 <Sacro> A bad workman blames his fools 21:14:00 <Sacro> *tools 21:15:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CA9E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:16:27 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 21:17:27 <SmatZ> Aali: yeah, it is not very recent patch... at least I recently changed string names :-P 21:20:12 <Aali> I've noticed some odd behaviour, sometimes it follows the wrong company or more than one company 21:20:30 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:20:57 <Ammler> only coop tested ;-) 21:21:03 <Aali> don't really care if you fix it, it works 99% of the time, just thought you might want to know :P 21:24:15 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 21:25:55 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:46 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [] 21:34:59 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.56.133] has joined #openttd 21:35:23 <Ammler> hmm, everything ok with 2cc :-) 21:36:02 *** tom0004 [~Tom@92.5.56.133] has quit [] 21:38:02 <petern> fool 21:40:51 <TrueBrain> petern: do you know why your 'grfid' fails over openttdw.grf? 21:41:00 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15143 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (contentserver/tcp.cpp shared/string.cpp shared/string_func.h): [MSU] -Fix: small memleak and some compile errors due to changes in trunk. 21:42:13 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba607a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:45:19 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 21:48:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: might be because it uses a GRF ID in a reserved range; "reserved for internal patch purposes" according to the NewGRF specs, but we do the same ;) 21:49:05 <TrueBrain> dunno 21:49:11 <TrueBrain> all I know it tells me the grfid is wrong :p 21:49:22 <petern> yes 21:49:32 <petern> 0 * 4,.. 00 00 00 00 21:50:16 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 21:50:16 <petern> change "while (lines-- > 0) {" to "while (true) {" 21:50:30 <el_en> hello, kangaroos 21:51:17 <TrueBrain> petern: you are sure that it then never loops for ever? 21:51:46 <petern> could do, but then openttd would have the same problem 21:52:00 <TrueBrain> problem here is that it is a webserver 21:52:04 <TrueBrain> and that it would be a nasty way to kill it :p 21:52:11 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 21:52:27 <petern> ok 21:52:43 <petern> while (_buffer < _file_buffer + _file_length) { 21:52:53 <TrueBrain> maybe we can make it a small project in /extra/grfid? 21:52:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 21:53:35 <TrueBrain> k, that change seems to work 21:56:13 <petern> i dunno, dodgy grfs :p 21:56:27 <TrueBrain> tnx petern :) 21:56:41 <TrueBrain> you just made foobar happy I guess 21:58:10 <petern> he should fix his grf :p 21:58:35 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD? Yeah! :p 21:58:40 <TrueBrain> sucky person, broken grfs, pfff 22:05:34 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 22:11:40 *** FR^2 [frr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:06 <TrueBrain> Ammler: any reason why you feel more special and created two accounts? 22:14:27 <Wolf01> 'night 22:14:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host254-233-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:14:37 <el_en> night 22:21:07 <George> Why the distance between RV parts on map and in vehicle window is different and haow to achive the same distance on map and in veh. window? http://george.zernebok.net/temp/-/dx.png 22:21:32 *** Guest796 is now known as planetmaker 22:23:59 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:24:06 <dihedral> hello planetmaker 22:24:21 <planetmaker> hi dihedral :) 22:24:29 <planetmaker> how're you? 22:24:36 <dihedral> tired but very well 22:24:43 <dihedral> have had sum ap+ deving fun 22:24:49 <dihedral> and the fun continues 22:25:36 <planetmaker> :) 22:26:02 <planetmaker> I just came home from the WE and found bananas in my fruit basket. What a nice surprise! :) 22:26:30 <Zuu> planetmaker: At least you knew about it on beforehand :) 22:26:38 <planetmaker> :) 22:26:50 <TrueBrain> hmm .. banananas!!!! 22:27:00 <planetmaker> :) 22:27:12 <planetmaker> I heard they're good for the bones ;) 22:27:21 <planetmaker> They give strenght :) 22:28:36 * TrueBrain welcomes OpenGFX to BaNaNaS! :) 22:29:32 <planetmaker> he... :) Just downloading it :) 22:29:39 <planetmaker> via bananas :) 22:29:56 <TrueBrain> good ;) 22:31:00 <Zuu> The discreption of it has some wierd line breaks in-game, but else looks good. 22:31:19 <Zuu> (using nightly r15151) 22:31:33 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalof@bl7-179-60.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 22:31:47 <Digitalfox> Good night :) 22:31:56 <TrueBrain> night Digitalfox :p 22:32:11 <Zuu> My juice says "good morning" 22:32:17 <George> what var controls the distance between wagons on map and in depot for trains? 22:33:38 <George> TTD had 32 px on map and 28 px in depot, but I remember I read that they both can be set to 32 px. How? 22:33:51 <Digitalfox> In message Options -> Closing of Industries... Does it also apply to the player industries? Like if I turn it off, will I be informed that my industries will close? 22:34:31 <Yexo> my industries <- you cannot "own" any industries 22:34:31 <petern> oh dear, opengfx has black blocks :/ 22:34:42 <petern> George: it's an action d writable variable, iirc 22:35:24 <Digitalfox> Yexo yeah, but you understand what I ask ;) 22:35:47 <Digitalfox> I'm referring to industries served by me the player :) 22:35:52 <TrueBrain> bah .. what to do when a java application has a lock on your alsa driver? :( 22:36:08 <petern> kill it 22:36:26 <TrueBrain> no, I kind of need it at the moment :p 22:36:28 <George> petern: Ah, I see, var (9E). Thank you. Now, according to my question about gap betweer RV parts. Setting var (9E) should fix it? 22:36:35 <Yexo> Digitalfox: I'm not sure, but I think you won't get any close message at all 22:37:16 <Yexo> Yexo yeah, but you understand what I ask ;) <- at first I thought you were referring to industries build (fund) by you 22:37:48 <Digitalfox> Valid point Yexo... 22:38:01 <Digitalfox> Forgot about that point =0 22:44:18 <George> petern: changing var 9e did not help. Does it affect ARV? 22:45:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r15144 /trunk/src/ (fios.cpp fios.h openttd.cpp saveload/oldloader.cpp): 22:45:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Codechange: make sure we don't run out of bounds while determining old savegame name 22:45:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: Note this can't happen in current code 22:50:27 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c878.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong] 22:50:43 <petern> guess not then 22:50:52 <petern> hm 22:50:54 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:42 <SmatZ> yeah, I know it is broken :-/ 22:54:45 <TrueBrain> FIX IT! :p 22:55:15 <SmatZ> already working on it ;) 22:56:22 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:33 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28D115.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:56 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> venus.oftc.net quits: const86 23:13:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D97F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:09 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:43 <petern> uh 23:15:55 <petern> why are we using seprintf there? 23:16:24 <TrueBrain> seprintf rules them all! :p 23:16:25 <petern> and a lot of other places too, apparently 23:16:30 <petern> strecpy() please 23:17:28 <SmatZ> well 23:17:39 <SmatZ> it's a big security problem now 23:17:41 <TrueBrain> what does the 'e' do? 23:17:47 <petern> no idea 23:18:06 <SmatZ> (with savegame with %s in name...) 23:18:11 <petern> presumably snprintf is too tricky :) 23:18:14 <SmatZ> but I have different patch now... 23:18:14 <petern> SmatZ: exactly my point 23:18:20 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: lol ;) 23:18:30 <SmatZ> I was splitting the patch and did it wrongly :-P 23:18:35 <petern> but printf for things like " ??" 23:18:42 <petern> that does not need to be formatted... 23:19:07 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 23:22:52 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:05 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:23:24 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:23:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:49 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r15145 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt saveload/oldloader.cpp): 23:26:49 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix: crash when one tried to load a TTO savegame 23:26:49 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15144): it wasn't safe at all, but the code broken code isn't needed anymore 23:26:59 <SmatZ> .... ... @ typos ... 23:27:04 <SmatZ> oh why 23:27:31 * TrueBrain hugs SmatZ :) 23:27:33 *** Jezral [~projectjj@62.199.32.172] has joined #openttd 23:27:49 <SmatZ> thank you TrueBrain :) 23:29:50 <TrueBrain> you are very welcome :) 23:29:51 <TrueBrain> night all! 23:30:01 <SmatZ> good night 23:30:03 <SmatZ> :) 23:32:10 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:09 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r15146 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader.cpp: -Fix: show savegame name even when opening it failed 23:35:12 <el_en> i want to build an aircraft like this, what button should i press? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:10tanker-N450AX-061215-04-8.jpg 23:40:38 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-229-178.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 23:41:29 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 23:47:18 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 23:47:48 *** rtypo [~tux@pc54.clicknet.iasi.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving]