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00:10:41 <Elukka> hmm 00:10:51 <Elukka> my heightmap is 666x666 pixels by coincidence 00:11:09 <Elukka> i resize it shoddily in paint and end up at 666 00:11:40 <goodger> indeed 00:11:52 <goodger> you got it down to one of the nine triple-digit numbers randomly 00:12:06 <Zahl> THE triple-digit number 00:12:21 <goodger> there are nine of them 00:12:27 <Zahl> and there is no such thing as coincidence *speaks with spooky voice* 00:12:45 <Elukka> i also got 666 kills in separate battles in rome total war twice 00:12:53 <Elukka> when i played WoW, i often critted 666 00:12:57 <Elukka> clearly, i am the devil 00:13:05 <goodger> if you're thinking of the number of the beast, that's 616, or so it seems 00:13:12 <Elukka> hush 00:13:14 <Zahl> or maybe even just 5 00:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> or 42? 00:24:39 <Roujin> anyone remembers talk about the filtering of gui lists some days ago? 00:25:22 <Roujin> I got a working prototype of it now 00:30:39 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: upgrade] 00:31:12 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D30.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:56 <Roujin> anyone can tell me quick how to check if a string starts with another string? 00:35:52 <Rubidium> strncmp? 00:35:53 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:36:36 <Roujin> strncmp(str1, str2, length of shorter string) ? 00:36:57 <Rubidium> something like that yes 00:37:40 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:45 <Roujin> strlen > O(1) I guess? 00:40:21 <Rubidium> it's definitely O(n) 00:40:42 <Rubidium> where n depends on how far the first 0 byte is 00:41:48 <Roujin> hmm hmm.. then I'll calculate it before the loop and save it in a temp var.. ah, works! sweet :) 00:42:26 <Roujin> I think it's in a presentable state now.. going to upload to flyspray :) 00:44:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 00:46:28 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 00:50:05 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 00:51:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15303 /trunk/src/saveload/town_sl.cpp: -Fix (r12381): desync if a GRF used town's last month max. pass/mail 00:51:55 *** PhoenixII [ralph@g188103.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 00:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what does it matter if strlen is O(n) when strcmp is O(n) as well... 00:53:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:46 <SmatZ> 2 * n > n ;) 00:54:23 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 00:55:05 <Rubidium> but it doesn't change the upper complexity bound 00:56:28 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-114.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 00:56:35 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28F3FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:59 <Rubidium> though one could argue that the string comparison is O(1) in this case 00:57:15 <thingwath> if we compare only strings no longer then some n, then we may say it is O(1) 00:57:36 <SmatZ> if they differ in the first char, then determining the length is the slowest part 00:58:18 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:01:03 *** PhoenixII [ralph@g188103.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-60-139.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C3C8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:26 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.226] has joined #openttd 01:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> why is determining strlen even necessary? 01:06:05 <TinoDidriksen> It is possible to implement a very fast string comparison by comparing 32-bits at a time and other tricks, but is it really a critical part? 01:06:55 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 01:07:07 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: no, it is not, because you are comparing utf-8 strings 01:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> which means you have variable character length 01:08:53 <TinoDidriksen> Which makes no real difference...compare bits up until they differ, then go from there with more thorough checks. Still faster than breaking into characters first. 01:09:04 <Roujin> eddi: because I want to use strncmp to check if string A is the beginning of string B. do you have a better solution? 01:09:20 <Roujin> i.e. strncmp(a, b, strlen(a)) 01:09:50 <TinoDidriksen> Roujin, is it critical that it is fast? 01:10:18 <Roujin> not really 01:10:30 <Roujin> I wouldn't break my leg to have it as fast as possible 01:10:55 <TinoDidriksen> Then strncmp() will do fine. 01:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: but there are other functions than strncmp 01:11:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: basically you want to find the first differing character, and then check if the character of a at that position is 0 01:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> saves calculating the length 01:12:16 <Roujin> if there is already something better suited for the task in standard libs or openttd, enlighten me :) 01:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> how should i know 01:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i am not a c programmer 01:12:41 <Roujin> oh well 01:12:45 <Roujin> how should I know? ;) 01:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause> in python i'd say "b.startswith(a)" 01:14:08 <TinoDidriksen> strncmp() is correct for standard C, but you run into issues if b is shorter than a so have to check that as well. 01:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: well, if he calculates strlen(a), he might as well check strlen(b), too 01:15:15 <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: why? it will stop if a < b 01:15:22 <Roujin> Tino: If there are less than count characters in either string, then the comparison will stop after the first null termination is encountered. 01:15:26 <SmatZ> and return non-zero 01:17:19 <TinoDidriksen> Oh right...forgot strncmp() was safe enough. I'm used to paranoid coding and always knowing the length of everything. 01:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i say C/C++ is not the best language for beginner coders, there are too many side effects and corner cases to consider 01:19:32 <TinoDidriksen> Absolutely true, but C/C++ are the best once you know what you're doing. 01:20:18 <|Japa|> the only programming I ever did was on my C64 01:20:26 <Eddi|zuHause> no, only they are the most common, so usually they get you the furthest 01:20:49 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.226] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:55 <SmatZ> I started with basic, later I came to pascal... and I hated it! 01:21:12 <SmatZ> so I was coding in ASM for ~6 years... 01:21:16 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.226] has joined #openttd 01:21:38 <SmatZ> but then I started using linux, so I got C compiler... and I like C/C++ since then ;) 01:21:52 <TinoDidriksen> I wish D would get more recognition. That's C++ done right. 01:22:06 <SmatZ> I miss bitfields in D :-) 01:22:13 <TinoDidriksen> Either that or C++0x getting finished... 01:22:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i liked Pascal and hated C 01:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> never did a lot of ASM 01:22:30 <SmatZ> hehe :) 01:22:51 <TinoDidriksen> C++ has std::bitset ... 01:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ASM is fun and all, but it very soon gets very annoying if you are not heavily organised 01:23:32 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: what are the odds of them having to rename it to C++1x? 01:23:38 <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: does it allow "packed unions" like bitfields? so you can access bits / bit groups in an int by names ;) 01:23:57 <SmatZ> btw, I like "restrict" in C99 :) 01:24:02 <TinoDidriksen> http://www.cppreference.com/wiki/stl/bitset/start 01:24:29 <TinoDidriksen> They shouldn't have to rename it to 1x. Many vendors are already implementing features from 0x, so it's getting usable. 01:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: then they have to finalise it this year 01:35:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051084166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:36:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:54 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 01:37:49 <Elukka> hmm... tired ideas 01:38:05 <Elukka> why is it not possible to have two tracks on one tile, when it is done on diagonal track? 01:40:03 <Eddi|zuHause> because nobody programmed it 01:40:05 <Elukka> of course, that'd introduce the problem of jamming 4 tracks on one tile on diagonals... 01:40:34 <SmatZ> ... 01:40:45 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl :) 01:41:05 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 01:41:05 <SmatZ> Elukka: please come back with not-so-tired ideas :-P 01:41:19 <Elukka> hey, you could easily fit 2 tracks on one tile 01:41:39 <Elukka> hmm... should i say the R-word... 01:41:43 <Elukka> yes, they'd also be more realistic 01:41:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but how do you make switches between them? or to normal rail tiles? 01:41:58 <Elukka> damn. 01:42:07 <Eddi|zuHause> or platforms? 01:42:16 <Elukka> yeah, umm. 01:42:20 <Elukka> i have absolutely no idea 01:42:27 <Roujin> finally 01:42:41 <Elukka> hey, it's 4 am, i have the right to be slow 01:43:03 <TinoDidriksen> If you really want to go realistic, you have to re-scale everything. Roads and rail should be much smaller compared to buildings. 01:43:04 <Elukka> uh, make stations that can accomodate tighter tracks? :P 01:43:05 <Roujin> updated to trunk, ironed out last tiny bugs etc. and now it's on flyspray :) http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2593 01:43:27 <Elukka> tino, lets not even talk of complete realism :D 01:44:29 <|Japa|> every station I've seen have two tracks beween a pair of platforms 01:44:51 <SmatZ> +// this->list_pos 01:44:58 <SmatZ> Roujin: what's that? 01:45:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: the question is a) when the platform does not fit on the track tile, how do you enforce having platforms on the neighbouring tiles? and b) how do you extend the newgrf spec and provide extensions of the default graphics? 01:45:31 <Roujin> SmatZ: whoops, that's nothing ^^ 01:45:38 <SmatZ> :o) 01:45:49 <Eddi|zuHause> |Japa|: i have seen ones that did not 01:45:51 <Elukka> 404 - Brain not found 01:46:11 <Roujin> I wanted to add something there, then noticed it wasn't necessary hehe 01:47:34 <Roujin> instead of removing it again seems I just commented it out, embarassing :P 01:49:18 <|Japa|> oh come on, is it that hard to check if there's a platform adjoining the track? 01:50:02 <|Japa|> only problem I can see is the fact that on the diagonals there'll be 4 tracks on it 01:50:13 <|Japa|> that can be crowded 01:51:09 <Elukka> only problem, besides the huge amount of programming pains :P 01:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> <|Japa|> oh come on, is it that hard to check if there's a platform adjoining the track? <- yes. it is. because the current code does not check for platforms at all, it checks for station tiles 01:51:49 <|Japa|> ok 01:52:25 <|Japa|> I'm no programmer, so I'll just keep my mouth shut now 01:52:51 <|Japa|> and daydream about smooth curves 01:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> how does one daydream at 3AM? 01:54:46 <Elukka> i give up... is anyone else able to generate heightmaps of areas? 01:54:58 <Nite_Owl> time zones 01:55:20 <Elukka> apparently the srtm plugin only runs on older versions of google earth, which dont exist or dont work anymore 02:05:20 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:48 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.61] has joined #openttd 02:15:17 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:35 *** nfc_ [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 02:19:53 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:03 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:13 <Roujin> well, I'd be happy about some comments on the filtering patch.. ('sides that freak commented nonsense line, SmatZ :P hehe) If I didn't mess something up, it should be usable in all kinds of places: Filter sign list, filter purchase list for specific cargoes, etc. :) 02:22:50 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 02:23:05 <SmatZ> interesting is there is already "Filter signs" patch 02:23:17 <Roujin> Yep, I know about it 02:23:38 <Roujin> but this is a more general approach (I hope) 02:23:47 <SmatZ> :o) 02:26:05 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0D9A8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:26:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 02:26:14 <SmatZ> Roujin: http://paste.openttd.org/179282 somehow... 02:26:53 <Roujin> so if these changes to GUIList were in trunk, Zuu could keep the GUI changes of his patch and define a callback function for the filtering he needs.. 02:27:04 <Roujin> SmatZ: did you apply the second patch only? 02:27:22 <SmatZ> second patch? ... /me looks 02:27:32 <SmatZ> yes :-P 02:27:50 <Roujin> ;) 02:29:21 <SmatZ> Roujin: http://paste.openttd.org/179283 still... with both applied 02:29:50 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/179284 with only base applied 02:30:37 <Celestar> yay! 02:30:45 <SmatZ> yay, it's a Celestar! ;-) 02:31:12 <Celestar> it is 02:31:16 <Roujin> uhm.. okay o_O I swear it compiled for me... checking... 02:31:29 <SmatZ> wow :) 02:31:53 <Celestar> heh. 02:32:00 <Celestar> @seen Darkvater 02:32:00 <DorpsGek> Celestar: Darkvater was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Darkvater> interseting 02:32:32 <SmatZ> Roujin: even gcc 4.1.2 doesn't compile it 02:33:35 <SmatZ> Roujin: gcc 3.4.6 compiles it though... 02:33:57 <Celestar> hm. installing XP64 as a guest OS takes "approximately" 28 minutes 02:34:39 <Roujin> aha. well. I do not really know what I did that may have upset gcc 4.1.2 oO 02:34:56 <Celestar> lol 02:35:24 <SmatZ> Roujin: I am using 4.3.3 :) 02:35:31 <SmatZ> 3.4.6 is ancient :-P 02:35:42 <SmatZ> almost as ancient as 2.95.3 ;-) 02:35:49 <Celestar> er 02:35:53 <SmatZ> hehe 02:35:58 <Celestar> "almost" 02:36:18 <Roujin> well, I am using MSVC right now, and that didn't complain either :P 02:36:40 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 02:37:12 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-240-222.home.otenet.gr] has quit [] 02:37:21 <SmatZ> well it compiles with -fpermissive ;) 02:38:39 <SmatZ> but it's not in CFLAGS for OTTD 02:38:52 <Roujin> okay I see what I did there 02:39:03 <Roujin> just a naming issue 02:39:19 <SmatZ> hmmm no it doesn't compile with -fpermissive, I forgot to switch gcc 02:39:25 <SmatZ> hehe 02:40:01 <Roujin> I named a function "Filter", but also a struct. 02:40:10 <SmatZ> no gcc 3.4.6 doesn't compile it neither 02:40:13 <SmatZ> ...... I failed 02:40:15 <SmatZ> badlt 02:40:17 <SmatZ> badly 02:40:27 <SmatZ> Roujin: most likely ;) 02:40:34 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:53 <Roujin> well well the difference between compilers :P should I hate gcc now that it doesn't like what I did, or MSVC that it didn't give me any hint that I'm possibly doing a stupid thing? :D 02:43:19 <Roujin> going to rename the stuff and upload a new version quick.. 02:43:27 <SmatZ> hate MSVC 02:43:38 <SmatZ> everyone who uses both hates MSVC 02:51:29 <SmatZ> (I don't( 02:59:55 <goodger> you should always blame MSVC 03:00:47 <Celestar> only sometimes? 03:00:57 <goodger> no, no 03:01:01 <goodger> always 03:01:07 <goodger> do read things properly, Celestar 03:01:10 <SmatZ> grep sometimes logs | wc -l 03:01:11 <Celestar> oh. I read "should not" 03:01:12 <SmatZ> 0 03:01:13 <SmatZ> :-P 03:01:21 <SmatZ> hehe 03:01:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:27 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:07:43 <Roujin> so... finally. I hope this compiles on gcc now too 03:08:41 <Roujin> but now I have to catch some sleep.. much too late already -__- 03:09:08 <Roujin> see you soon, then 03:09:15 <SmatZ> night night :) 03:09:16 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85dafe.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 03:14:02 <Celestar> can anyone recommend some free antivirus for XP? :P 03:14:14 <glx> avg 03:14:23 <glx> or avast 03:15:34 *** Backiz [~Backiz@a91-152-224-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 03:15:52 <glx> but I don't know if they are compatible with xp64 03:17:07 <Nite_Owl> http://free.avg.com/ 03:18:18 <Celestar> thanks 03:18:35 <Celestar> I only need to turn the netnotworking into networking 03:19:31 <goodger> don't use AVG... 03:19:34 <goodger> it's gone the way of norton 03:20:07 *** Backiz [~Backiz@a91-152-224-24.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 03:20:21 <Nite_Owl> what is better? 03:20:39 <Nite_Owl> for free that is 03:21:08 <glx> I have no problem with avg 03:21:50 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0D9A8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:22:11 <Nite_Owl> neither do I except that it is no longer going to support the ancient OS I use on some of my computers 03:23:49 <Nite_Owl> Windows 98 for the curious 03:24:23 <glx> my win98 box is still on 6.5 03:25:17 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.234] has joined #openttd 03:25:24 <Nite_Owl> 7.5 here but AVG support stops at the end of Feb 03:27:29 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.234] has joined #openttd 03:32:00 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:20 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:20 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 03:35:58 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:36:11 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0D9A8D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:36:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 03:41:57 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:44:27 <Celestar> dis AVG stuff costs money, doesn't it? 03:45:21 <goodger> nope 03:45:23 <goodger> just... don't use it 03:45:25 <glx> avg free edition is free 03:45:41 <goodger> it's gone the way of norton, as I said. poking its tendrils into your system 03:45:54 <Celestar> goodger: other suggestions? 03:46:01 <glx> it's easily uninstalable (unlike norton) 03:46:08 <Celestar> maybe I should install Sophos 03:46:25 <goodger> I hear good things about avast 03:46:33 <goodger> it's the AVG of the twenty-first century 03:46:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:48:21 <Nite_Owl> no - AVG has a free version 03:48:44 <goodger> indeed 03:48:50 <goodger> thanks go to glx for that information 03:48:53 <glx> the free version doesn't have all the things similar to norton 03:49:04 <goodger> it's still slow, though 03:49:53 <Nite_Owl> sorry - I got dropped and missed a bit 03:50:53 <Celestar> ls 03:52:33 <Celestar> I'm trying avast 03:53:23 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:54:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:27 * Celestar thinks the mozilla devs should be executed for setting the default download location to the desktop 03:54:32 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 03:56:01 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0DBD9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:56:12 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@p5B0DBD9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 03:56:57 <Nite_Owl> it is easy to change the download location 03:57:10 <goodger> *nod* 03:58:13 <Nite_Owl> tools -> options -> main 03:59:39 <Nite_Owl> although this is an old version of Firefox - 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Now I have a lot of grfs separated in folders (vehicles, infrastructures, industries...) all subfolders of the newgrf folder placed in the data folder, see: http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/newgrf_folders.PNG 09:56:52 <Wolf01> having a lot of grfs ends up with an infinite list of grfs and I always miss something because they are always mixed up 09:57:07 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:57:16 <Ammler> Wolf01: afaik, it is quite hard, else it would already be implemented in the "better newgrf gui" 09:58:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 09:58:33 <Wolf01> maybe it's time to drop the listbox and use something like the advanced settings tree 09:58:55 <Alberth> I was waiting for someone to figure that out :D 09:58:58 <Ammler> some newgrfs matches more then one category 09:59:00 <Prof_Frink> What about doing away with the "Add NewGRF" window and simply having an on/off toggle for any grfs it can find in the main newgrf window? 09:59:40 <Wolf01> Ammler I mean the browsing of grfs not the loaded grfs 10:00:31 <Ammler> that does differ? 10:00:37 <Wolf01> the "categories" then are the phisical folders 10:01:02 <Alberth> Ammler: duplicating the entries would be a possibility, I think 10:01:20 <Wolf01> it is where you downloaded the grfs, if you have a grf which belongs to 2 categories you simply place it in the newgrf folder 10:02:00 <Ammler> how does bananas know which one you want? 10:02:11 <Wolf01> you do it by hand 10:02:14 <Wolf01> as I do it 10:02:37 <Wolf01> and it doesn't require any change at grfs 10:03:09 <Alberth> Can we not consider 'directory' to be one form of category? 10:03:39 <Alberth> or 'path of the grf', rather 10:03:39 <Wolf01> it changes only the way of showing the grfs the game finds, showing you the same folder tree you make in your filesystem to divide the grfs 10:04:11 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 10:04:25 <Ammler> Alberth: we do that already in the coop pack, works well, imo. 10:04:45 <Ammler> the categories are from grfcrawler 10:04:56 <Alberth> Wolf01: it is a matter of time until someone wants to add other categories 10:05:07 <Wolf01> i don't want categories 10:05:08 <Alberth> Ammler: yes, the coop pack structure is very useful 10:05:36 <Wolf01> I only want a tree view on the "ADD GRF" popup 10:05:41 <Alberth> well, maybe a directory structure is enough 10:05:47 <Ammler> those folders are not just for the categories, it handles also the orders. 10:06:32 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28F3FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:36 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9ECC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:25 <Alberth> Ammler: how can that be done in a less-controlled environment such as bananas? 10:07:40 <Ammler> dependencies contolling 10:07:51 <Ammler> already something there, afaik 10:08:20 <Alberth> Ammler: you mean download dependencies? 10:08:53 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-199.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 10:09:13 <Ammler> well, it is only a part 10:09:58 <Roest> morning 10:10:09 <Alberth> yes, grf dependencies are more complicated, I fear 10:10:33 <Ammler> it would need "wiki-style" edit rights 10:10:56 <Ammler> as most authors don't care much about other grfs. 10:11:16 <Alberth> Good morning Roest, you should read the past 15 minutes IRC about newgrf window changes 10:11:21 <Wolf01> I mean this http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/newgrf_list.PNG window to be shown as tree, there are already folders, you don't need to change anything on bananas or grfs because all the work is mady by hand 10:11:58 <Wolf01> *made 10:12:37 <Roest> Alberth is the a weblink to the channel history? 10:12:41 <Roest> there* 10:12:55 <Alberth> Roest: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 10:13:05 <Ammler> Wolf01: http://ammler.ch/openttd/better-newgrf-gui.png 10:14:06 <Ammler> this gui has also drag&drop -> easy sorting :-) 10:14:20 <Wolf01> that way is not easily readable, but at least they are sorted 10:14:33 <Ammler> you can switch 10:14:57 <Ammler> (Display Mode) 10:15:17 <Roest> too bad grfs dont have a category flag 10:15:40 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 10:15:49 <Ammler> could be managed from banans 10:16:07 <Ammler> like dependencies and orders 10:16:08 <Alberth> Ammler: nah, should be part of the grf itself 10:16:22 *** michi_cc [0b29e2f7b3@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 10:16:25 <Ammler> Alberth: just think about old grfs 10:16:37 <Alberth> we had a long discussion about that last week 10:17:06 <Alberth> Ammler: yes, but anything outside the grf is not robust enough 10:17:29 <Ammler> wiki-style would solve that 10:18:10 <Alberth> what do you want to edit exactly? 10:18:28 <Ammler> categories/dependencies/orders/parameters 10:19:25 <Alberth> that's a lot! 10:20:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:20:22 <Ammler> dependencies and orders is mostly given by category 10:20:45 <Ammler> like category vehicels is exclusive 10:21:42 <Ammler> and the main order like landscape->infrastructure->industries->stations->vehicels... 10:21:51 <Alberth> I don't disagree with the fact that we'd need this information, but bananas doesn't seem like the right place for it to me 10:23:36 <Ammler> but since bananans, nobody will read reames anymore, and infos like how to set newbridges parameters for naroads will go lost. 10:23:37 <frosch123> [11:24] <Ammler> and the main order like landscape->infrastructure->industries->stations->vehicels... <- what is your reasoning for that? 10:23:40 <Roest> are there still unused bytes in the grf spec that could be utilized? 10:23:52 <Ammler> frosch123: experience ;-) 10:24:28 <frosch123> Roest: you can append as much as you like to action8, just that it is not very useful when noone uses it 10:26:07 <Alberth> Ammler: I am more thinking in the direction of a seperate program. You give it grfs, and it decides in what order to load. It can also generate additional data like parm information 10:26:40 <Ammler> Alberth: yes, a newgrf presets repo :-) 10:26:40 <frosch123> e.g. it was also suggested to add a version number to a grf, so the newest one would be chosen, if the exact same it not available. but it seems grfids are already hard enough to deal with 10:27:11 <Ammler> frosch123: last byte of grfid should do that 10:27:27 <Roest> alberth i think the dependency issue can be solved by some auto sorting, that just moves grf down the list, though that would screw up your manual sorting 10:27:32 <frosch123> ammler: grfid should be changed, if the grfs are incompatible 10:27:47 <Alberth> you could distribute a data file for the program with bananas though 10:27:50 <Ammler> well, not sure about that anymore 10:27:57 <Ammler> ISR is a good example 10:28:08 <frosch123> but noone does that, e.g. industrial stations still have the same grfid as version1, egrvts has the same id as grvts 10:28:40 <Alberth> Roest: auto-sorting is nice, but you do need data on how to sort, and the grf itself is not going to tell you that. 10:28:40 <frosch123> bananas is better in that point, as it can check those stuff and enforce an incremental version 10:28:46 <Ammler> frosch123: if they would change the ID, you can't update the set on a running game. 10:29:03 <Ammler> so you are on the safe side, but who likes that :P 10:29:20 <frosch123> well, what does upgrading help, if it is not compatible either? 10:29:31 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:29:35 <Ammler> not everything changes 10:29:40 <Ammler> just some sprites 10:30:02 <Ammler> so you send all trains to depot->update->fix stations->release trains. 10:30:43 <Ammler> but if I could choose, I would like also they change the ID 10:31:03 <Roest> Alberth: what we have now is when you hit the submit button is a status ok or not loaded because it has to be after something else, now the auto thing could move such grfs down the list and try a submit every step 10:32:19 <Ammler> Roest: sorting mostly just gives some glitches 10:32:28 <Alberth> Ammler, frosch123: maybe the ID checking is too precise? 10:32:32 <Ammler> not sure, how openttd will detect that 10:32:57 <doc> I'd like an easy way to change tracks. I've got rails and trains running on them. Would love to be able to upgrade the entire lot to maglev but means starting that line's trains from scratch 10:33:24 <Roest> doc there is a way 10:33:26 <Ammler> doc: that is gameplay 10:33:39 <Alberth> doc: you did find the 'upgrade' button in the bar? 10:33:54 <doc> Alberth: that's fine for the tracks, but you put trains into depot and can't upgrade those, can you? 10:34:47 <Alberth> doc: ah, no you cannot. You'll have to build one new train and clone the others, I am afraid. 10:35:00 <doc> Alberth: right, and therein lies the pita :/ 10:35:11 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 10:35:21 <Ammler> doc, you can clone the orders 10:35:32 <Roest> wasnt there a patch that did just that a while back? 10:35:37 <doc> yeah, but on a track with about 60 trains it's tedious :) 10:35:50 <Ammler> and if you upgrade to maglev, you need less trains anyway 10:36:03 <Ammler> so train managment is needed. 10:36:14 <Alberth> you know you can copy the orders while cloning? 10:36:17 <doc> yeah, but it's easier to do that once the trains are running 10:37:01 <doc> Alberth: I'm not really cloning the train though. Just the orders 10:37:12 <doc> anyway, sleep time. night 10:38:10 <petern> hello 10:38:52 <Ammler> why doesn't banans read the name and desc from the grf itself? 10:40:20 <Rubidium> because the name contains the version and the description's often too long 10:40:52 <Rubidium> and there's no way to reliably fix both problems 10:41:04 <petern> thaor 10:41:13 <petern> or 10:41:18 <petern> there's no description 10:41:26 <petern> or it doesn't contain useful information 10:41:27 <petern> or... etc... 10:42:55 <Ammler> hmm, true 10:43:51 <Ammler> the most authors needed to make a update for bananas anyway, i.e. license 10:48:23 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:49:45 <petern> That doesn't make sense :p 10:50:15 <Ammler> but it looks like that. :-) 10:52:01 <Prof_Frink> Wow, this queue is longer than the M25 10:52:51 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: luckily, you can simply add another road next to it :) 10:53:47 <Prof_Frink> Nah, the AI code should've thought of that 10:58:24 <Prof_Frink> They should just be glad that the lorries-driving-through-each-other bug hasn't been fixed 10:59:12 <petern> What queue? 10:59:36 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.135] has joined #openttd 11:01:35 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:59 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.97.135] has joined #openttd 11:02:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:45 <fjb> Hello 11:02:56 * Prof_Frink uploads a giant screenshot 11:05:26 <Wolf01> uhm... a 35 seats double decker bus refitted to carry the impressive number of ... 8 tourists 11:05:52 <Roest> that's some luxus tourist bus now 11:05:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:06:16 <Roest> luxury 11:06:51 <Roest> it now has a bar and a pool on the upper deck 11:07:15 <Wolf01> it's me or I can't see anymore the color rectangles on the comboboxes on the color scheme gui? 11:07:42 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:57 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.135] has joined #openttd 11:07:58 <Roest> though i wonder how the handling would be with like 5000 litres of water on the uppder deck of a double decker 11:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause> tourists is a very wrong cargo imho 11:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: 35/4 = 8 [rounded] 11:08:37 <|Japa|> if you would refit it for the guys around here, it'd take at least 200 11:08:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the conversion factor for "other" cargo 11:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause> because the vehicle did not specify a capacity callback 11:09:53 <Wolf01> SHIT! I forgot to enable the engine pool -.- 11:10:10 <Prof_Frink> petern: http://alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/Preningwell Transport, 2009-03-02.png 11:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause> URL fail 11:10:51 <Wolf01> Prof_Frink maybe if you don't use spaces next time :P 11:12:08 <Ammler> openttd shouldn't generate such file names, either :-) 11:12:58 <el_en> Ammler: don't blame openttd for firefox's bugs. 11:13:00 <Roest> write a patch, should be just one line or so, replacing spaces with underscores 11:13:10 <Ammler> el_en: not firefox here 11:13:18 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: Maybe if you patch openttd so it doesn't use spaces 11:13:21 <Ammler> my irc client can't handle it 11:13:42 <el_en> Ammler: not there, but at Prof_Frink's. 11:14:01 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.97.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:08 <Ammler> firefox should be able to handle that link 11:14:21 <el_en> Ammler: also your irc client is not to blame, because URLs do not contain spaces. 11:14:27 <Prof_Frink> konqui certainly can, and that's where I pasted it from 11:14:57 <Ammler> el_en: never blamed my irc client :P 11:15:05 <el_en> ah, konqui is broken too then, like firefox 3. the relevant part is "where I pasted it from". 11:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> invisible stations, how silly 11:16:18 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 11:16:57 <el_en> because a URL does not contain spaces, and you can get ones with spaces from firefox or konqui, then clearly firefox and konqui are broken. 11:17:15 <Wolf01> and next time, please tell us that is a football-field-sized picture, so I don't open it and my comp runs better 11:17:37 <Roest> your comp sucks 11:17:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:18:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F390.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:06 <Prof_Frink> Wolf01: I did. 11:18:09 <Prof_Frink> [11:02:55] * Prof_Frink uploads a giant screenshot 11:19:48 * Wolf01 have the chat view little enough to miss a sentence sent 15 lines before the link :P 11:20:39 <Prof_Frink> Well, it took that long to upload 11:20:49 <Prof_Frink> And you should pay attention more. 11:21:07 <Wolf01> I was playing OTTD 11:21:13 <Wolf01> whoa, that's a record! FF using 660mb of swap! 11:21:57 * |Japa| puts the image into his download manager 11:22:01 <Wolf01> and I'm not able to close it :| 11:22:16 <Wolf01> the only thing which works is the chat 11:22:31 *** Zorn [zorn@g224108094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:23:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no problem with the picture 11:25:44 <el_en> me neither, except that i can't do anything else with firefox in the meantime. and it's still loading. 11:25:46 <|Japa|> I'd not have a problem if I wan't already downloading Cygwin on a shared connection 11:27:01 <Roest> are you on dial up? 11:27:33 <|Japa|> nearly 11:27:35 <|Japa|> dsl 11:28:12 <|Japa|> and the owner of hte connection is miserly about it 11:28:13 *** Zorn| [zorn@e177239133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:29:50 <|Japa|> I am embarking on a futile quest 11:29:52 *** Zorni [zorn@e177239060.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:30:43 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5C6B9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:30:47 *** Zorn [zorn@g224108094.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:59 <|Japa|> to wreak havok with the ottd source untill I manage either to put myself to sleep, or get two trains on one track 11:33:01 <Wolf01> ?_? 11:33:52 <|Japa|> I'm gonna attempt to somehow get a track to go like this: ---<===>---- 11:33:58 <|Japa|> all with one tile with 11:34:13 <|Japa|> I have a 0.1% chance of success 11:34:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C6B9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you "just" have to mimic road vehicle movement ;) 11:35:06 <|Japa|> he he 11:35:36 <|Japa|> straights should be relativeley simple.... 11:36:00 <|Japa|> it'lll be turns that'll be hard 11:37:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause> those should just be transitions to regular track 11:38:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15304 /trunk/src/saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp: -Fix [FS#2587]: When loading savegames use the roadtype of the front vehicles just like it is done on construction. 11:41:55 <el_en> interesting, i was able to increase my ADSL2+ connection speed by 1200 kb/s by adjusting hidden settings on the ADSL modem. 11:43:29 <stillunknown> kilobit/s or kilobyte/s? 11:44:24 <Eddi|zuHause> can i do that with my DSL 1/3, too? 11:44:44 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:51 <el_en> kilobits naturally, as i wrote. 11:45:19 <Roest> what hidden setting did you fix, did you close your wireless and your neighbour cant download porn anymore? 11:52:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15305 /trunk/src/sound/allegro_s.cpp: -Fix (r15299): missing include 11:54:00 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:54:16 <|Japa|> dun dun dun..... 11:54:17 <|Japa|> http://www.pix.sparky-s.ie/images/srh4hha55xzlajlvk21.png 11:54:31 <|Japa|> mockup, naturally 11:55:10 <petern> err 11:55:16 <petern> what is it? 11:55:45 <Elukka> 2 tracks per tile, looks like 11:55:47 <|Japa|> something that is about al likeley to happen as MS goin OSS 11:55:50 <petern> oh 11:55:51 <Elukka> now go code it damnit :P 11:56:13 <petern> why not have smaller tiles? 11:56:15 <Elukka> i'd love it if tracks didnt use so much space... 11:56:27 <petern> oh, because people want bigger tiles because they're idiots 11:56:43 <|Japa|> OMG! perfect idea! 11:57:15 <|Japa|> rais thescale of everything, effectivley making hte tiles smaller, and giving lcloser zoom! 11:57:26 <|Japa|> ... 11:57:27 <|Japa|> ... 11:57:31 <SmatZ> hehe 11:57:36 <petern> if openttd could support longer vehicles (like George wants) then you could have rails fill a tile 11:57:37 <|Japa|> I need to look before I press enter 11:57:39 <Elukka> yeah, it'd only require redoing everything! :P 11:57:59 <petern> Elukka: yeah but that's only everything 11:58:00 <Elukka> i'd be content with 2 tracks per tile 11:58:05 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 11:58:09 <Elukka> have a normal track option and a double track option 11:58:21 <petern> you can't have two tracks per tile (except those horizontal/vertical tiles) 11:58:35 <Elukka> sure you could, if someone coded it :P 11:59:09 <Roest> i tend to believe it when peter says you can't 11:59:18 <|Japa|> I ran out of books to read, so now I'm gonna read the ottd source untill it starts making sense 11:59:53 <|Japa|> tho... the last thing I coded was for the C64, sooo..... 12:00:07 <petern> you need to rewrite the train controller, the collision detection and the 3 pathfinders 12:00:11 <|Japa|> don't expect anything in the next 10 years from me :) 12:00:12 <petern> just to start with, heh 12:00:32 <frosch123> and the vehicle pos hash 12:00:43 <petern> frosch123: that was my second item ;) 12:00:48 <frosch123> and building removing tracks, ... 12:01:19 <Elukka> see! it's possible, just not bloody likely 12:01:23 <Roest> can do a new map array while you're at it 12:01:28 <frosch123> oh, the topic was more tracks, not longer vehicles :s 12:02:05 <petern> ah hehe 12:02:09 <|Japa|> longer vehicles ~= tracks closer together 12:02:13 <petern> you know 12:02:30 <petern> train collision detection takes no account of shorter vehicles 12:02:30 <|Japa|> both probably need equiviland amounnts of work 12:03:01 <petern> frosch123, longer vehicles == lots of articulated parts ;) 12:03:06 <Elukka> i'd put more tracks before longer vehicles 12:03:18 <Elukka> LV4 long vehicles are already huge 12:03:22 <petern> anyway 12:03:28 <petern> Elukka, you missed the point 12:03:29 <frosch123> hehe, when you allow wagons with length > 8/16, you can bulldoze a tile in the middle of the train while it is driving on horizontal/vertical track :p 12:03:42 <petern> hehe 12:04:12 <|Japa|> playing with the US trainset in the 1800's when all the vehicles are that long is.... interesting 12:04:58 <Elukka> i'm torn on whether i like nars2 or the old version better 12:05:10 <petern> nars2 is better 12:06:13 <Elukka> wait, i think i'm confusing different sets 12:06:38 <Elukka> was it the american transition set which had real vehicle colours? 12:07:44 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 12:08:41 <petern> usset did yeah 12:09:26 <Elukka> for some reason, i thought they were the same set 12:09:31 <Elukka> they arent 12:09:32 <Elukka> yeah 12:09:54 <Elukka> that's what i'm torn on, then :P 12:10:00 <Elukka> do i like nars2 or the transition set better 12:11:07 <petern> if you read the documentation of nars2 you'll find something about parameters that might interest you 12:11:39 <Elukka> it had something about different colour schemes for each player, but it doesnt have the pretty logos and real colours 12:12:07 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/BlackMesa29thJun1945.png?t=1233490312 12:12:08 <Elukka> like here 12:12:38 <Ammler> loading saves with "noAI"-ais is possible? 12:12:54 <petern> 2livery cycleMany locomotives in the set have four different liveries. Normally, player 1 gets livery 1, player 2 gets livery 2, etcera. The value of this parameter is added to the player number; for example, if the parameter = 2, then player 1 will get livery 3 12:13:38 <petern> the sprites are too small to see logos, but you do get 'real' colours on some things 12:14:01 <Elukka> there are little logos on the transition set! 12:14:07 <petern> suspended monorail replacing trams is... quite silly 12:14:07 <Elukka> i'm not entirely sure i've figured out parameters 12:14:34 <petern> i have a horse-drawn suspended passenger cart :o 12:14:47 <Elukka> awesome 12:14:59 <Ammler> src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqapi.cpp:679: void sq_pop(SQVM*, SQInteger): Assertion `v->_top >= nelemstopop' failed. 12:15:07 <Elukka> what exactly would i write if i wanted player 1 to have all the liveries? 12:15:33 <SmatZ> Ammler: in trunk? 12:15:53 <Ammler> SmatZ: update the server, seems to work in trunk 12:16:09 <Ammler> or is that fixed after current nightly? 12:17:42 <|Japa|> http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/hwxx8oxnl8bqi8cf8jsj.png 12:17:48 <|Japa|> cute little train 12:18:12 <SmatZ> Ammler: it was fixed ~3 days ago 12:18:24 <Wolf01> 10 passengers in that little space? 12:18:26 <Ammler> ok, thanks :-) 12:18:43 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 15284 12:18:43 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by Yexo :: r15284 trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp (2009-01-27 13:11:11 UTC) 12:18:44 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Fix [FS#2582] (r15045): Parameters were popped from the squirrel stack twice. 12:18:47 <SmatZ> ^^ here :) 12:18:52 <svip> |Japa|: Quite strange houses for 1835. 12:19:36 <Ammler> svip: yeah, old houses and industries are needed :-) 12:19:48 <Elukka> guh... i downloaded stuff from the national map seamless server, thinking i'd get elevation data 12:19:56 <Elukka> i got a 300 mb geotiff which has simple geometric shapes 12:22:29 <|Japa|> combine that with the roadset that gives horse carriages, and force somebody to make sailing ships, and wre all set :P 12:24:49 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:12 <Ammler> newships have one, afaik 12:34:06 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:34:10 <Ammler> and egrvts 12:40:58 *** michi_cc [0b29e2f7b3@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 12:41:13 *** michi_cc [8aa46f4db1@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:43:48 <Elukka> damn 12:43:52 <Elukka> i have a huge resolution heightmap 12:43:58 <Elukka> however, i cant get this program to save it 12:44:22 <Elukka> it gives me a very informative "ERROR: Unable to create output file" 12:44:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:55 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051084166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:45:06 <Roest> it's most likely unable to create an output file 12:45:23 <Elukka> this isnt a good way to get heightmaps for ttd :/ 12:45:29 <Elukka> but there is no other way that actually works 12:48:00 <Elukka> i still have no idea how people make their scenarios... is there some top sekkrit heightmap service? 12:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 79+2*39 12:48:46 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 157 12:48:49 <Roest> i think i did it as described int he first post 12:49:12 <petern> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/7863338.stm 12:49:14 <petern> d'oh 12:50:10 <Roest> It is not known yet whether it was on the correct route. apparently not 12:50:26 <Rubidium> they shouldn't make busses that are 9 pixels high when the bridge clearing is only 8 pixels 12:51:21 <Aali> clearly this accident was the GRF designers fault 12:51:41 <Elukka> eh... i thought graphics that are too big just clip through things 12:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: if you only had mapgen ;) 12:53:26 <Elukka> can mapgen get me heightmaps of real areas? 12:54:06 <petern> i think that's all it can do... 12:55:04 <Elukka> google finds stuff about mars rovers 12:56:24 <Elukka> and i am not sure how mars rovers can help me 12:58:39 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 12:58:55 <Aali> make a mars scenario, duh 13:05:27 <Alberth> Buy one, and let it do map generation of the area you are interested in 13:06:50 <Elukka> buy? i dont like the word buy :P 13:07:30 <Elukka> there's a ton of free data, it's just that it's almost impossible to get to it and get it to a png heightmap 13:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the data is not free if you have no way of handling it 13:13:02 <Roest> of course it is 13:18:24 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:19:22 <Elukka> in the guide, it appears he is using google earth 3 13:19:24 <Elukka> i tried 13:19:35 <Elukka> "Google Earth has encountered a problem and needs to close." 13:19:36 <Elukka> :/ 13:20:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:20:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:20:47 <Elukka> it cant be this hard to get a heightmap... 13:21:07 <Roest> try harder ^^ 13:21:21 <Elukka> i've tried everything i can think of now 13:21:36 <Elukka> the srtm plugin does not work 13:46:12 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.44.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 13:57:27 *** zhxk [~zhxk@122.240.104.3] has joined #openttd 13:57:58 <Roest> http://www.nypost.com/seven/02012009/news/regionalnews/vex_and_the_city_153017.htm 14:01:40 *** zhxk [~zhxk@122.240.104.3] has quit [Quit: æ犻] 14:01:52 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.240] has joined #openttd 14:03:58 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 14:09:21 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:11:01 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:14:19 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:17:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 14:19:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [] 14:22:28 <el_en> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article5622156.ece 14:23:53 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5C6B9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:00 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:09 <Sacro> If I had a nickel for every time Iâve insulted Americans, Iâd go to the bank and exchange it for some proper currency. 14:27:26 * edeca throws Sacro a complimentary nickel 14:30:10 * Sacro takes it to get it changed to some proper currency 14:30:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80316.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:29 <Gekz> owned 14:30:31 <Gekz> haha 14:31:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:31:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82B7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> there used to be a loophole in the german euro transition 14:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> 1 Pfennig was (or actually still is) worth 0,51 Cent 14:33:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so if you go to the bank and want to exchange 1 Pfennig, they have to give you 1 Cent, because they have to round it 14:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so you almost double your money ;) 14:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it was widely abused, though ;) 14:34:30 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 14:34:40 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.162.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:50 <thingwath> the only problem is, that almost nothing * 2 is still almost nothing 14:35:03 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28D569.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:31 *** Zorn [zorn@e177239133.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:01 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:26 <el_en> hmm, in finland the smallest coin in use was 10p (worth 1.68 cents), and the smallest euro coin is 5c. that's almost 3 times! 14:38:24 <dihedral> ? 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15:08:48 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:13 <frosch123> petern: why is the maximum aircraft speed the minimum of the property and cb 36 result? 15:09:24 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:09:58 <petern> tee hee hee 15:10:16 <frosch123> he, that is less than two years ago 15:10:55 <petern> i think it was something to do with breakdowns... 15:10:56 <petern> or was 15:11:35 <Prof_Frink> \o/ 15:11:53 <Prof_Frink> There be white stuff falling from the sky! 15:12:29 <petern> eek 15:13:41 <Prof_Frink> Attempting to, anyways 15:16:38 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 15:21:10 <OwenS> Prof_Frink: Attempting to? Is it being blown back up or something? ;-) 15:22:08 * dihedral needs bjarni 15:22:21 <petern> oh god 15:22:31 <petern> should i get a cheap X stand or an expensive Z stand? 15:22:40 <petern> £20 vs £80 :/ 15:24:54 <Prof_Frink> OwenS: It's stopped. 15:25:14 <Prof_Frink> petern: An inbetween Y stand. 15:25:19 <OwenS> It did the same here 15:25:39 <OwenS> How about an "a" stand (Wrapping arround to lower case :P ) 15:26:39 <petern> Prof_Frink, ho ho ho :p 15:27:13 <petern> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31gfJ4-TA%2BL._SL500_AA280_.jpg 15:27:13 *** angelo [~angelo@ppp-94-65-240-222.home.otenet.gr] has joined #openttd 15:27:36 <petern> http://cachepe.zzounds.com/media/quality,85/brand,zzounds/fit,400by400/sku_Z_716-a25b8fb1dbcc03f743e9885b1fe66436.jpg 15:28:02 <petern> http://www.kraftmusic.com/images/products/full/radD44D3.gif 15:28:06 <petern> ^ V stand, heh 15:28:16 <OwenS> Aah, for that you want a @ stand ;-) 15:40:00 <svip> @ 15:40:10 <svip> :/ 15:40:19 <svip> Apparently my client crops off lines a bit too early. 15:40:33 <svip> If an @ is not followed by anything, its rightmost pixels are gone. 15:40:53 <Sacro> OwenS: an '@ stand? 15:41:16 <Sacro> a yorkshireman dosn't remove his '@ for anyone 15:41:36 <Sacro> <Sacro's housemate> Oh hai! 15:42:38 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.185.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:33 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:49 <petern> well see 15:47:15 * OwenS wonders why his QTableView refuses to reorganize itself likt it's told to 15:48:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:51:54 * OwenS wishes Faith would stop sitting in front of his main monitor 15:52:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:55:12 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.47] has joined #openttd 16:03:36 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.38.135] has joined #openttd 16:09:25 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 16:10:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15306 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Deduplicate code by adding Engine::GetDisplayMaxSpeed(), GetPower() and GetDisplayWeight(). (and using them) 16:10:23 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.145] has joined #openttd 16:12:23 <petern> Engine classes :D 16:12:44 <frosch123> later :p 16:13:06 <|Japa|> my engine is still in preeschool 16:15:00 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.98.145] has joined #openttd 16:16:23 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051124255.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:21:24 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:21:24 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 16:21:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15307 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (5 files): -Fix: AIVehicle::GetCurrentSpeed() should also use km-ish/h instead of mph. (Documentation by Rubidium) 16:23:19 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:23:58 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051084166.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:58 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:24:15 <petern> return ::GetVehicle(vehicle_id)->GetDisplaySpeed() * 16 / 10; 16:24:24 <petern> isn't that going to have silly rounding effects? 16:24:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:30:55 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:21 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.145] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 16:38:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:39:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.145] has joined #openttd 16:42:04 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.145] has quit [] 16:42:36 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:35 <Roest> Rubidium :p 16:48:45 <frosch123> petern: http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/kmishh.diff 16:48:49 *** Schwalbe [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:43 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:46 *** Schwalbe is now known as Swallow 16:55:42 <petern> *nod* 16:56:05 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:10 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:59 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:50 <welshdragon> http://qik.com/video/958619 < snowcam! except there's no snow :( 17:02:02 <welshdragon> also, how bad is the buffering? 17:03:27 <dihedral> Rubidium, src/video/cocoa/event.mm:101 17:03:34 <dihedral> that is what will hide the os x mouse 17:04:28 <dihedral> src/video/cocoa/wnd_quarz.mm:709 is what checks if the mouse is in the openttd window or not 17:04:55 <dihedral> however, if the openttd window is covered by the doc, the doc forces the os x mouse to be shown 17:05:39 <dihedral> and due to the if (_show_mouse), when the mouse leaves the dock area, and is still in the openttd window, it does not get hidden again 17:07:24 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:36 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:09:45 <joepie91> hey all 17:10:00 <edeca> Hi joepie91 17:10:13 <joepie91> can anybody help me with cargodest problems? 17:10:27 <edeca> Not if you don't specify the problem 17:10:50 <joepie91> i set up a multiplayer server with Mega's Europe Map (some people might know it) and I am running the cargodest build, but the problem is that the Kuwait oil thingy doesnt put anything in the station 17:11:03 <joepie91> it has a very high production, but no goods appear at the station, while i am sure its in range 17:11:12 <joepie91> it always worked on regular builds, just not on the cargodest build 17:11:43 <joepie91> anybody has experience with this problem? 17:12:18 <frosch123> did you already send a vehicle to the station? 17:12:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm208.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 17:13:04 <joepie91> yup 17:13:12 <joepie91> three trains are running in a circular circuit 17:13:14 <joepie91> constantly 17:13:52 <joepie91> one station is the oil plant, the other is the oil refinery thingy (dont know the exact translation, i'm playing in Dutch :) 17:14:31 <dihedral> cargodest does not work with that map 17:14:37 * dihedral coughs 17:14:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15308 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Deduplicate km-ish/h -> mph conversions. 17:14:53 * Sacro dies 17:14:57 <dihedral> :-P 17:14:58 <Elukka> are you sure the wagons carry the right stuff? 17:15:10 <Sacro> in the middle of the oreo! 17:15:14 <Sacro> no, that's the white stuff 17:15:22 <dihedral> racist 17:15:29 <Sacro> pfft 17:15:31 <Sacro> silly dutch 17:15:38 * dihedral is not dutch 17:15:44 * Sacro isn't either 17:15:50 <dihedral> then that's settled :-P 17:15:52 <Prof_Frink> The dutch are still silly. 17:15:58 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: seconded 17:16:20 * joepie91 is dutch 17:16:31 <joepie91> anyways 17:16:35 <joepie91> there are correct wagons 17:16:35 <joepie91> wait 17:16:40 <joepie91> i might just have an idea... 17:16:42 <Rubidium> and the English buy a Dutch bank for several billions and go almost bankrupt on that 17:16:47 <Sacro> that was icelandic 17:17:00 <Sacro> hehe, iceland dick XD 17:17:00 <edeca> And no english bank bought it :\ 17:17:14 <edeca> It just got fucked up in iceland, and british savers were screwed over 17:17:50 <Rubidium> Sacro: ABN Amro isn't Icelandic 17:17:51 <Sacro> not really the saverss 17:17:54 <Sacro> more the councils 17:17:58 <Sacro> and police forces etc 17:18:18 <Sacro> my money is with the Hong Kong/Shanghei Banking Coorporation 17:18:30 <Sacro> A truely british bank 17:20:08 * frosch123 got a letter that his money is safe up to 1 125 033 000 ⬠17:20:43 <joepie91> ah, the oil thingy is working now... it had something to do with my new experimental track layout... it never caused problems in the original, but it seems that it doesnt work with cargodest :P 17:20:57 <joepie91> thanks for the help anyway :P 17:21:04 <OwenS> Sacro: With a truly international name :p 17:21:15 <joepie91> about the banks.... iceland is the only seriously failing bank 17:21:27 <Prof_Frink> Pfft 17:21:35 <joepie91> in the netherlands we also had Fortis, but that wasn't a Dutch bank; it's from Belgium :) 17:21:41 <Prof_Frink> Iceland's not a bank, it's a supermarket. 17:21:48 <joepie91> or french 17:21:51 <joepie91> or w/e 17:21:53 <joepie91> lol 17:22:03 <joepie91> ON SALE NOW: Banks.. buy 2 get one free! 17:22:06 * OwenS notes that his bank was recently taken over :p 17:22:25 <thingwath> Iceland... it's a bird, it's a plane... no, it's a supermarket! 17:22:46 * fjb has some money on a swiss bank. :-( 17:23:00 <edeca> Just have no money, works for me 17:23:03 <OwenS> Isn't Iceland's debt something like 400% of GDP? 17:24:21 <Rubidium> according to Wikipedia RBS paid £10bn for (part of ABN) and had to write off more than £20bn on that acquisition... sounds to me like they've lost at least £10bn on it... now who's silly? 17:25:58 <thingwath> Arise, ye starvelings from your slumbers... :o) 17:32:53 *** patchie [~sdf@cm-84.211.65.194.getinternet.no] has joined #openttd 17:33:08 <petern> pom te pom 17:34:08 <joepie91> erm, one more question... if you run a (dedicated) multiplayer server with the cargodest build, is cargodest enabled by default? or do i need to enable it in some way? 17:37:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm208.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:40:26 <petern> you need to enable it 17:42:07 <dihedral> joepie91, have a look at your config file! 17:42:24 <dihedral> if you want to run a dedicated server, you should not find too much of an issue in reading that file 17:42:54 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:44:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76631.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:32 <Belugas> I do customer-service, you do customer-service... no... LIES, I'M the only one who does it during weekend ! 17:47:58 <glx> even worse, it's sunday :) 17:48:50 <thingwath> how is sunday different? 17:49:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:23 <Belugas> indeed... sunday, saturday... all the smae, lately :S 17:49:40 <Belugas> and whjat's more, i was about to enjoy our new netbook :( 17:49:45 <Belugas> Aspire one 17:49:48 <Belugas> nice leetle macihe... 17:49:52 <Belugas> in his box :( 17:50:26 <thingwath> I'm enjoying my beer. :-) 17:53:52 <Belugas> i wish i could 17:54:01 <Belugas> how i wish 17:54:07 <Belugas> how i wish you were here 17:54:11 <Belugas> we're just 17:54:16 <Belugas> two lost soulds 17:54:22 <edeca> Sheesh, get a room ;) 17:54:28 <Belugas> swimming in afish bowl 17:54:43 <petern> hehe 17:55:00 <thingwath> I still have about 400 ml of happiness. :o) 17:55:33 * petern has none 17:55:53 <edeca> petern: Get drunk then, free temporary happiness! 17:56:00 <thingwath> free? 17:56:06 <dihedral> heh 17:56:19 <dihedral> i would not mind getting to know your world edeca 17:56:19 <petern> how can i get drunk if i have none? 17:58:43 <edeca> dihedral: You've never make potato alcohol? :) 17:58:47 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:50 <edeca> Heh, I hadn't considered the cost of the actual alcohol. Darn. 17:58:58 * edeca accepts the hole in his plan 17:59:09 <thingwath> :-) 18:00:25 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 18:07:41 *** einKarl [~einKarl@91-66-180-201-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:45 <Belugas> better than a whole in his pants! 18:17:08 <Sacro> a whole what though... 18:17:19 <Belugas> gggrrrrr 18:17:20 <Belugas> -w 18:17:31 <Sacro> that's more of a verbal pun 18:17:32 <bandi_zz> did the standard engine stats change lately? 18:17:56 <bandi_zz> I feel my engines much less capable in my new game 18:18:23 <bandi_zz> or maybe I just played too much with maglev 18:18:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:39 <bandi_zz> these A4 engines feel crappier 18:19:09 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:21:39 <bandi_zz> I'm playing from the trunk 18:22:08 <dihedral> edeca, and where do the potatoes come from? mama buys them for ya? 18:22:14 <glx> realistic acceleration changed lately 18:23:06 <bandi_zz> oh 18:23:19 <dihedral> to the BelugasAlgorithm, for extra non-realistic feeling 18:23:29 <bandi_zz> did you change the gravity constant? 18:23:38 <bandi_zz> which revision? 18:24:08 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 18:24:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:36 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=105171 <- HAHA 18:27:45 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 18:27:49 <Darkvater> hi all 18:28:00 <Darkvater> !seen celestar 18:28:55 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 18:28:57 <Darkvater> echo 18:29:38 <dihedral> hello Darkvater 18:29:42 <dihedral> and it's @seen 18:29:49 <SmatZ> hello Darkvater 18:30:15 <Darkvater> thought so 18:30:20 <Darkvater> @seen cel 18:30:20 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: I have not seen cel. 18:30:28 <Darkvater> geeh, no tab completion :P 18:30:28 <Belugas> and my support session is OVER!!! you hou!!!! 18:30:31 <Darkvater> @seen celestar 18:30:31 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: celestar was last seen in #openttd 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: * Celestar thinks the mozilla devs should be executed for setting the default download location to the desktop 18:30:33 <Belugas> family time now :D 18:30:48 <Belugas> hello Darkvater, bye Darkvater ;) 18:30:53 <dihedral> Belugas, enjoy 18:30:54 <dihedral> :-) 18:31:04 <Darkvater> glx: any luck with the new freetype library? I see the new nightly still is not AA-enabled 18:31:07 <Darkvater> by elm 18:31:12 <Darkvater> bye Belugas :) 18:31:18 <Darkvater> damn crappy lag 18:32:15 <glx> Darkvater: http://rbijker.net/openttd/openttd-useful-2.1-win.zip 18:32:29 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 18:33:04 <petern> jesus it's cold 18:33:15 <Darkvater> ah, good glx, now I need to bug Rubidium to add these libs to thenightlies :) 18:33:34 <glx> we were waiting for you to confirm it works correctly :) 18:33:46 <glx> and Rubidium is eating right now 18:33:48 <Darkvater> that is so loow! 18:33:54 <OwenS> petern: Can you send some of your coldness my PC's way? :P 18:34:19 <petern> put it outside 18:34:29 <Darkvater> glx: so what am I supposed to test? 18:34:37 <petern> gravity constant? haha 18:34:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.169.32] has joined #openttd 18:35:03 <glx> Darkvater: compile openttd with these libs and see if AA is correct 18:35:20 <Darkvater> meh.. you guys are evil :) 18:35:31 <Darkvater> I have to login as admin and make backups 18:35:34 <Darkvater> gimme a min 18:36:02 <glx> the we can publish the updated openttd-useful package 18:36:55 <Darkvater> btw, what's the thing with the map-edge transform? it's greyed out for me on genmap 18:37:19 <glx> enable it in advanced settings 18:37:34 <joepie91> erm, does anybody know of any currently operating cargodest server? 18:37:37 <Darkvater> ah 18:37:47 <joepie91> where there are actual people playing 18:38:07 <petern> is there one listed in the in-game server list? 18:38:30 <joepie91> i found one from openttdcoop, but its paused and inactive 18:38:39 <joepie91> and Jezeku's server or w/e but it seems kinda abandoned 18:38:45 <joepie91> plus it needs a lot of newgrfs -_- 18:39:13 <joepie91> which are not from a pack 18:39:49 <Darkvater> glx: why does it need to be enabled? 18:40:52 <Darkvater> heh, how does openttd build if I don't have libicu anywhere :O 18:40:55 <glx> ask Yexo, it's his feature 18:41:37 <Darkvater> you guys should sync about this stuff :) 18:41:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.199.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:12 <glx> libicu is in the zip 18:42:12 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:41 <Darkvater> glx: no, something esle :). on my HD 18:43:27 <glx> you don't have openttd-useful 2.0 ? 18:43:50 <Darkvater> hmm, it seems I do cause it links.../me searches 18:44:00 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> Darkvater: the ability to disable it is because sometimes maps cannot be converted (the top left and top right row of water gets converted to void tiles) 18:44:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> the question is why it is not default on... 18:44:36 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:45:11 <Darkvater> gaaah wtf 18:45:14 <dihedral> joepie91, openttdcoop server will run if you have at least 2 people in the game 18:45:25 <Darkvater> "unresolved external symbol _CLSID_DirectMusicLoader" 18:45:51 <glx> too recent DX SDK 18:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong version of the DX SDK? 18:46:02 <Darkvater> yes, but it worked a few days ago 18:46:07 <el_en> wrong operating system? 18:46:12 <planetmaker> g'evening 18:46:34 <dihedral> hey ho pm 18:46:45 <planetmaker> hey :) 18:46:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15309 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: -Fix (r15307): Update regression. (Thanks glx) 18:47:10 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has joined #openttd 18:47:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15310 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files): (log message trimmed) 18:47:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-01 18:46:42 18:47:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1) 18:47:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 1 fixed, 6 changed by Hadez (7) 18:47:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 fixed by jpx_ (1) 18:47:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed by glx (1) 18:47:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 fixed, 4 changed by planetmaker (5) 18:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: TrueBrain's commit messages sounded funnier ;) 18:48:04 <planetmaker> serious business :P 18:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> really, you should grep the NoAI logs for "regression" and "project" ;) 18:48:58 <Darkvater> ok, I'll just disable dm for now 18:50:01 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: 'project' is more common from me after TB commit :) 18:50:49 <Darkvater> is it just me or does compiling take forever now? :( 18:50:57 <Darkvater> it seems I'm back on my 1GHz machine 18:50:58 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: I guess with not doing it once I am not yet worthy enough to join the tomato club 18:51:23 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.107.221] has joined #openttd 18:51:27 <frosch123> Darkvater: SmatZ is the expert for compile time 18:51:51 <Darkvater> hell, it's not even release mode 18:54:49 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:57:13 <planetmaker> there was afaik a steep rise in compile time with NoAI inclusion 18:58:54 <joepie91> [offtopic] YAY my cargodest server is running :) and it's actually working :P [/offtopic 18:59:11 * edeca throws rocks at joepie91 for failing to close tags properly 19:00:13 <Rubidium> hi Darkvater ;) 19:00:36 <SmatZ> Darkvater: noai merge increased compile time by ~25% 19:00:56 <edeca> SmatZ: It was already slow for me, so a few more minutes doesn't matter :) 19:01:06 <glx> SmatZ: inaccurate, you upgraded your system at the same time ;) 19:01:41 <SmatZ> ;-) 19:02:00 <OwenS> Suggestion: Do multiple compilations in parallel if you don't already :p 19:02:09 <Zuu> 11->15 minutes was my change when NoAI got into trunk. So more like 45-50% :) 19:02:16 <planetmaker> that should be default... OwenS 19:02:28 <Zuu> If I remember the numbers correct now, many days has gone since then now... :D 19:02:41 <glx> OwenS: already enabled 19:03:02 <SmatZ> 190s->250s here... 19:03:09 <SmatZ> and it's 1,6GHz CPU 19:03:22 <SmatZ> I really don't understand why it takes that long time for you :( 19:03:24 <SmatZ> 1 core 19:03:48 <Darkvater> wow that's weird 19:04:15 <SmatZ> gcc 4.2.4 19:04:37 <OwenS> Generally takes 2 mins tops for me to do a full build, GCC 4.3.2, Athlon X2 4600+... 19:04:48 <planetmaker> let's check what's timing on my machine... 19:05:11 <planetmaker> 17s configure 19:05:59 <energetic> I found a bug 19:06:08 <energetic> I am not sure it is a feature though :) 19:06:10 <planetmaker> that's a statement 19:06:21 <SmatZ> feature 19:06:26 <planetmaker> :) 19:06:29 <energetic> haha 19:07:17 <energetic> err... network probs website? 19:08:03 <energetic> my own netowrk maybe 19:08:08 <OwenS> 3s configure, 1m26s make -j3 19:08:59 <SmatZ> real 0m21.150s 19:09:05 <SmatZ> but I had everything in ccache :-P 19:10:31 <Wolf01> 25s configure, 15m and some seconds to make everything 19:10:43 <petern> ouch 19:10:48 <petern> install makedepend ;p 19:10:55 <SmatZ> real 1m12.423s (without ccache) 19:11:03 <SmatZ> with makedepend ;) 19:11:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:05 <petern> i don't know what i get 19:11:17 <petern> before noai i got around 18s for a full debug compile 19:11:19 <planetmaker> 4m50.3s make -j4 19:11:21 <thingwath> how to turn of ccache for a single build? 19:11:29 <SmatZ> CCACHE_DISABLE=1 make 19:11:52 <planetmaker> core2duo @ 2GHz (Macbook) 19:11:52 <SmatZ> ./configure --with-ccache CFLAGS="-march=barcelona -s -fmerge-all-constants -pipe" --enable-assert 19:12:03 <SmatZ> ^^^ my configure... 19:13:03 *** edeca [~david@lenny.lionserver.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:30 <OwenS> I suppose I could have done -march=k8 if I wanted :p 19:13:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:14:59 *** Brianett1 [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:23 <OwenS> Well, if I really wanted, -march=k8 -O3 -funroll-loops and so on :p 19:15:42 <SmatZ> :-P 19:15:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:54 <SmatZ> -fzomg-fast 19:15:59 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 19:16:06 <thingwath> 3 minutes for a complete build, that's fine 19:16:29 <energetic> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2596 19:16:33 <Brianetta> Anybody got Andel's new website's URL? 19:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an Andel? 19:16:51 <OwenS> -fomit-frame-pointer 19:17:36 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:18:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 19:18:07 <Brianetta> Got it: www.lund-conlon.co.uk 19:18:18 *** Mortal is now known as Guest48 19:18:18 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 19:19:27 <Darkvater> glx: libraries are good, work both on 2005/2008 19:19:33 <Darkvater> so what's the deal here? 19:19:34 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-118.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 19:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause> real 6m14.459s 19:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> user 5m12.788s 19:19:59 <Darkvater> MSVC2005 compile time 1m09s, MSVC2008 compile time 3m46s 19:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> sys 0m21.389s 19:20:04 <Darkvater> debug mode both of them 19:20:09 <Darkvater> SmatZ: any idea? 19:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause> my system is an Athlon 2000 or something... 19:21:36 <OwenS> I would have said whole program optimization, but it's a debug build 19:21:57 <Darkvater> OwenS: I'm not stupid :) 19:22:10 *** Guest48 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:20 <Rubidium> 64 vs 32 bits? 19:22:26 <Darkvater> 32b both 19:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> 64 bit takes twice as long to compile. makes sense :p 19:23:27 <Darkvater> Rubidium: unless 2008 builds 32 AND 64 at the same time..but that would be very stupid 19:25:47 <Rubidium> lovely... who's idea was it to make font names translateable? Now Windows might (under some circumstances) return the translated font name and freetype then doesn't know that font as it expects the untranslated font name 19:26:02 <petern> Who what? 19:26:51 <dihedral> lol 19:27:09 <SmatZ> Darkvater: sorry :( I have no idea 19:27:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 19:28:25 <Darkvater> hmm 2008 release mode doesn't link? 19:28:46 <Darkvater> unresolved std::exception 19:29:13 <Rubidium> sounds like your MSVC2008 install is quite broken 19:29:26 <Darkvater> debug works :) 19:29:41 * Darkvater goes investigating 19:29:49 <Darkvater> but glx: the libs are good 19:31:21 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 19:32:38 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:59 <Roujin> hello 19:33:17 <Roest> hi 19:33:32 <Roujin> SmatZ: got my patch to compile under gcc yesterday? 19:35:16 <Roest> links for me 19:35:36 <Roest> oops shouldn't scroll up and think i reply to a current comment 19:36:03 <SmatZ> Roujin: works for me :) 19:36:42 <Roujin> and, got any comments? 19:37:18 <Roujin> well, no comment means everything is working, so that's fine hehe :D 19:38:19 <SmatZ> Roujin: filtering for "w" or "d" shows "LumberMill PS" in the contents window - why? 19:38:46 <Roujin> because one of its tags starts with w or d.. if not, it's a bug 19:38:54 <SmatZ> ahh 19:39:32 <SmatZ> I expected it to filter by name :) 19:39:33 <SmatZ> good 19:39:41 <Roujin> it filters for tags, not for names ;) but the filter callback function could easily be changed to do something else e.g. filter by name 19:39:53 <Roujin> or even, both name and tags 19:41:16 <Roujin> or one could define any number of filtering functions, and include a drop down somewhere in the window to select between them 19:41:42 <SmatZ> makes sense 19:42:53 <Roujin> this should also be nice for vehicle purchase windows 19:43:10 <Roujin> which are crowded when using big and/or multiple vehicle grfs 19:43:42 <Roujin> I know there also was a patch for this already (I think) 19:47:51 <petern> gah 19:48:07 <petern> why does the vehicle group gui use icons... 19:48:14 <Darkvater> hmm do you guys think there is some way to dramatically reduce startup time? 19:48:28 <Rubidium> remove all your NewGRFs ;) 19:48:33 <dihedral> compiletime would be way nicer :-P 19:48:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-183-149.popl.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:48:39 <Darkvater> I have quite a few grf files in the openttd directory and on every launch the pc is busy for at least 10/15s parsing all of time 19:48:52 <Roujin> and 32bpp tars :P 19:48:54 <Darkvater> I wonder if some cache ala the old spritecache might help 19:49:11 <Rubidium> @commit 2833 19:49:11 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by tron :: r2833 /trunk (3 files) (2005-08-07 17:52:41 UTC) 19:49:12 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Remove saving of sprite cache data: 19:49:13 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: the benefits are questionable, it's error prone, undocumented and hasn't been widely used for ages, if ever 19:49:15 <Rubidium> ^ that one? 19:49:19 <Prof_Frink> Darkvater: Nah, just add a splash screen 19:49:21 <Darkvater> yes 19:49:46 <dihedral> Prof_Frink, nice one 19:49:48 <Roest> 10/15s??? 19:49:52 <Darkvater> 10-15s 19:49:56 <petern> that cache is irrelevant 19:50:15 <Roest> wow takes 1sec for me with the coop grf pack 19:50:18 <petern> you need an md5sum, action 8 and 'network safety' cache 19:50:27 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 19:50:29 <petern> if it's a debug build it takes time 19:50:43 <petern> if it's release build it just depends on disk cache, heh 19:50:57 <Darkvater> I'll have to check what is actually being used from those grfs but some database with md5sums and the scanned action X's should probably work 19:51:05 <Darkvater> ey; too slow again petern :P 19:51:08 <Rubidium> 10-15 seconds? That sounds like the startup time of a debuglevel 3 binary in valgrind with lots of NewGRFs on my 1.6 GHz 4 year old laptop ;) 19:51:23 <Darkvater> it's a laptop that it takes so long on 19:51:30 <Darkvater> it's about 5s on my desktop machine 19:51:32 <petern> it's disk access slowing it 19:52:46 <OwenS> Perhaps add support for grf.gz? :p 19:53:09 <OwenS> zlib's gzip wrappers are super easy to use anyway, so it's mostly a matter of s/f/gz/ :p 19:53:28 <OwenS> and s/FILE*/gzfile*/ 19:53:41 <Darkvater> okay I gotta reinstall windows soon 19:53:42 <petern> our file access is abstracted anyway 19:54:02 <OwenS> In that case you could also add support for grf.bz2 :p 19:54:08 <OwenS> And tar.gz and tar.bz2 ;-) 19:54:11 <Darkvater> either way why 2005 is about 3.5x faster than 2008 is a mistery to me 19:54:25 <Darkvater> bbs ) 19:56:17 <George> What value should return CB 2D to get dark blue AND green for 2CC vehicle? 19:56:55 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:16 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:57:28 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:58:17 <petern> first colour + second colour * 16 20:00:28 <frosch123> plus offset read using action D 20:00:45 <frosch123> plus bit 14 20:02:29 <George> First colour = dark blue (no change), second color = dark green (NO CHANGE) 20:03:06 <George> Im not sure what color is the second CC is mapped to 20:03:18 <Roujin_> anyone else interested in my filtering for GUILists patch? :) 20:04:16 <George> C5A1h? 20:05:38 <SmatZ> Roujin_: + void SetFilterType(uint8 n_type) 20:05:52 <SmatZ> I think assigning is just fine :) 20:05:54 <frosch123> dark green is number 6, darg blue is number 0, the offset is not constant 20:05:58 <SmatZ> no need to verify it differs ;) 20:06:35 <George> frosch123: Not constant? And what should I do? 20:07:01 <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ReadingPatchVariables <- patchvariable 11 20:07:58 <SmatZ> - * @param l The sport conditions we want to use 20:07:59 <SmatZ> hahaahah 20:08:20 <Roujin_> SmatZ: whoops, that came from C&Ping SetSortType 20:08:22 <petern> sport? 20:08:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:09:06 <SmatZ> :) 20:09:10 <SmatZ> Roujin_: + void SetFilterState(bool state) 20:09:10 <Roujin_> yep, it says "sport type" in trunk. ^^ 20:09:31 <SmatZ> SB(this->flags, .... 20:09:39 <SmatZ> err nothing, not nicely possible 20:09:48 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:02 <Roujin_> SmatZ: that's also a direct copy of SetListing 20:11:34 <Rubidium> Darkvater: the new openttd-useful is on the website and I've just updated the CF, so from tomorrow it should use the new libraries 20:22:27 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:21 <George> frosch123: and after I reead patchvar 11 to param 08 for example to access it with var 7F, how can I tell that the result is CB 2D result? It looks a bit stupid to make a test for 4000h possible values and returning the result C000h+value. 20:24:25 <frosch123> George: when you specify zero cases in the varaction2, it will return the computed result 20:24:41 <frosch123> alternatively you can also use action6 20:25:31 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:26:46 <George> I understand the solution with action 6, but what did you mean with the first solution? 20:26:50 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:47 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [] 20:28:05 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:52 <George> 380 * 14 02 01 1e 85 20:29:52 <George> 1a 20 00 c0 00 20:29:52 <George> 7f 08 00 ff ff 20:29:52 <George> 00 20:29:52 <George> xx xx 20:30:12 <George> what should i put instead of xx xx? 20:30:53 <frosch123> "Since 2.0.1 alpha 57, nvar=0 is a special case. Instead of using ranges, nvar=0 means that the result of an advanced calculation (or, if no calculation is performed, the adjusted variable value itself) is returned as callback result, with bit 15 set. This is useful for those callbacks where many different return values are possible and it is easier to calculate them than list them in ranges. The default value must still be specified, 20:30:53 <frosch123> and will be used in case the variable(s) used are not available." 20:31:13 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:59 <George> C000h or 4000h? 20:32:06 <George> default value 20:32:35 <frosch123> wrt. the default value, I guess it is never used in ottd, just return C000h 20:32:56 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E86C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:28 <George> thank you, I'll make a try 20:35:59 <Roujin> SmatZ: should I change the things you mentioned in my patch and make a new version? 20:36:26 <SmatZ> Roujin: I think it is not needed :) 20:37:13 *** Wolle [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EF8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:36 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:52 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:39:32 <George> frosch123: Thank you, this works 20:39:35 <George> 406 * 32 02 01 1E 85 20:39:35 <George> 1A 20 06 00 + 20:39:35 <George> 7F 08 20 FF FF * 20:39:35 <George> 1A 20 10 00 + 20:39:35 <George> 1A 20 07 03 + 20:39:37 <George> 1A 00 00 40 20:39:37 <George> 00 00 C0 20:39:40 <frosch123> cool :) 20:40:06 *** NeCKeL [~NeCKeL@189.4.116.188] has joined #openttd 20:40:11 *** Roujin__ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:25 <Roujin__> wow, now I already have two underscores 20:40:40 <Roujin__> wlan sucks :P 20:40:40 <frosch123> George: what is the * for ? 20:40:59 <NeCKeL> Hi there... I've start a server... BRasuKas server... IP 189.4.116.188:3979 20:41:41 <George> frosch123: [22:58:27] <@petern> first colour + second colour * 16 > this _*16_ is * 1a 20 10 00 20:42:18 <NeCKeL> Someone from Brasil or Portugal 20:42:20 <NeCKeL> ? 20:43:09 <frosch123> George: but advanced actions do not follow 'multiply before add' 20:43:25 <frosch123> you coded (6 + var8) * 16 + 7 20:43:51 <George> yes 20:43:52 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 20:44:03 <George> +307 20:44:10 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:14 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Requested_features#Other <- hihi 20:44:23 *** Roujin__ is now known as Roujin 20:44:30 <George> is that wrong? 20:44:30 <frosch123> I would have expected 6 * 16 + 7 + var8 20:44:44 <frosch123> if var8 is the result from actionD 20:45:07 <frosch123> though of course you could just do '0x67 + var8' 20:45:32 <George> do you mean 2CC (var8 here) olaso affects CC? 20:45:41 <George> also 20:45:46 <OwenS> Mmmh... I love the smell of laser printers in the... evening? 20:46:08 <frosch123> actionD returns the spritenumber of the first 2CC recolour sprite (darkblue & darkblue) 20:46:26 <Roujin> dihedral: what's funny there? 20:46:37 <frosch123> the other 2CC colours follow this first sprite 20:46:55 <dihedral> Roujin, auto-downloading newgrfs (rejected) 20:47:09 *** NeCKeL [~NeCKeL@189.4.116.188] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:47:09 <OwenS> And I hate it when I forget to open the paper output tray, and everything falls off into the feed tray... where it gets used as input -_- 20:47:19 <Roujin> well, that one actually means auto-downloading newgrfs from the server one is connecting to 20:47:27 <Roujin> which was indeed rejected 20:47:31 <dihedral> yes, i know 20:48:32 <George> frosch123: does first 307h becomes changed or there two tables? (in patchvar 11 and in 307h) 20:48:59 <George> frosch123: you made me confused 20:49:06 <George> :S 20:49:29 <frosch123> 307h is constant as it is from trg1r 20:50:00 <frosch123> but the 307h block only contains 16 colors (1CC) 20:51:11 <frosch123> or do you want to disable recolouring? 20:51:43 <frosch123> then you can just return C307h 20:52:58 <George> yes, but I want to disable recolouring of BOTH the CC and 2CC 20:53:03 <frosch123> err, wrong 8307h 20:53:32 <frosch123> yes, just return 8307h in that case 20:53:52 <frosch123> "Since mapping 775 doesn't change any colours, you can return it to disable the company colours and leave all magic blue in your sprite alone." 20:54:50 <George> magic blue is fine but GREEN for 2CC becomes changed to 2CC of my company (purple) 20:55:10 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 20:55:57 <frosch123> 307h does also not change magic green 20:57:28 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 21:02:49 <George> Did not work in R15235, but I've downloaded R15310 and it works fine. 21:03:45 <frosch123> @openttd commit 15286 21:03:46 <DorpsGek> frosch123: Commit by frosch :: r15286 /trunk/src (3 files) (2009-01-27 19:44:36 UTC) 21:03:47 <DorpsGek> frosch123: -Fix: Refitting did not invalidate vehicle-colour-maps of road-vehicles, ships and aircraft, as well vehicle-length of road-vehicles. 21:04:16 <frosch123> impressive, the callback exists for years, and in one week it is encountered by three :p 21:04:47 <George> Then, what should I return if I want CC be used from the company, and 2CC not applied (while the veh property defines it as 2CC vehicle) 21:06:04 <frosch123> var43 player info specifies the company colour 21:06:25 <George> you mean I need to calculate it 21:06:28 <frosch123> you have to add that to 307h 21:06:49 <frosch123> I guess calculating is the easiest way 21:06:58 <George> Well, and if I want CC be not applied and change 2CC only? 21:07:25 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:07:30 *** evandar [~evandar@213.168.176.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:32 <frosch123> easiest would be, if you draw the sprite using CC, and read 2CC from var43 21:07:52 <frosch123> else you have to do again the actionD thingie 21:10:48 <George> Thank you frosch123. Now I have to go to sleep, but I hope to test this tomorrow evening. 21:11:22 <frosch123> good, I also should go to sleep, but dinner is still missing :/ 21:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> impressive, the callback exists for years, and in one week it is encountered by three :p <- Uwe, Pikka and George? 21:17:44 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:19:43 <frosch123> yes, I guess those three :) 21:27:42 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 21:34:40 <Darkvater> Rubidium: great, thanks :D 21:35:28 <Darkvater> petern: I'll look into this cache time permitting :) 21:38:19 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:35 <Darkvater> gn all 21:38:37 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Quit: sleep] 21:39:22 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9ECC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:40:09 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff0bb.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C6B9.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:08:27 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:39 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d873fb4.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]] 22:09:48 *** shaman [~shaman@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 22:10:29 *** shaman is now known as Xaroth 22:11:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15311 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15126): Obiwan error 22:12:47 <Prof_Frink> Turning off your lightsabre when fighting a dark lord of the sith? 22:20:01 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-140-66-59.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:23 <el_en> curious that Yoda is only Master and not a PhD. 22:23:01 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-140-66-59.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:24:31 <Prof_Frink> And we know that the Doctor will always beat the Master. 22:24:38 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28D569.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:28 <thingwath> and Darth Vader was an associate professor? 22:28:21 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 22:32:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15312 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 22:32:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Handle closing of drop down menus when clicking in a window in a 22:32:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: single place, instead of in the OnClick event for some windows. This 22:32:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: standardises behaviour so that clicking anywhere in a window will close its drop 22:32:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: down menu, which happened before for some windows but not all. In addition the 22:32:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dubious feature of hiding a drop down menu by opening the same menu has been 22:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: removed. This only caused wasted CPU cycles as a whole new list was generated 22:32:57 <petern> OpenTTD: and then destroyed. Breathe. 22:35:32 <petern> wtf 22:35:50 <petern> microsoft have created an installer that automatically unpacks temporary files to my I: drive 22:35:56 <petern> it didn't ask 22:36:03 <petern> I: is a linux partition 22:36:38 <Rubidium> Microsoft's installers are generally stupid anyway 22:36:47 <Rubidium> and not standardised at all 22:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what ever happened to the TEMP dir? 22:37:33 <Wolf01> 'night 22:37:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:48 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: probably they got bug reports about the installer unpacking itself causing the "HDD almost full"-popup with the cleanup tool that clears the temp directory 22:41:11 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.107.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> windows users report bugs? 22:42:06 <Rubidium> like the directx 7 sdk installer: winzip self extractor which extracts some windows extractor tool which extracts the installer which then extracts (and installs) some data files 22:42:49 <glx> and leave all extracted stuff in temp 22:43:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: whenever I'm testing something on Windows and I get crashes I send a report to MS (even when it's a segfault in my own code); if they care to spawn that window they want to have something to work on 22:47:24 <glx> I disabled this window 22:47:28 *** joepie91 [~s@cadart.demon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:54 <petern> yes, that I: drive has the most space on it 22:49:48 <glx> why does it see your linux partition ? 22:50:09 <glx> they don't have drive letter on my install 22:50:11 <petern> cos i told it to 22:50:12 <Prof_Frink> windows ext2/3 fs driver 22:50:18 <petern> indeed 22:50:38 <petern> which doesn't support the same set of attributes as fat/ntfs 22:50:47 <petern> hence the installer failed to work 22:51:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:36 <el_en> is the title valid english: http://www.hs.fi/english/article//1135241093803 23:02:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F390.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: if you mean "metre", yes, many french-derived words are written with "-re" in BE, and "-er" in AE 23:17:57 <SmatZ> fier, moer, loer, ... 23:17:57 <el_en> i mean the genitive... 23:18:10 <el_en> surely i know about -re vs. unitedstatesian -er. 23:21:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C6BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause> what about the genitive? 23:21:20 <fjb> Hello 23:22:48 <el_en> is it typical to refer to city districts like that? 23:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause> you didn't ask about "typical" 23:23:20 <thingwath> you asked whether it is valid, not typical :) 23:23:34 <el_en> typical implies valid. 23:23:45 <Eddi|zuHause> but not the other way round 23:23:50 <el_en> exactly. 23:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, neither 23:24:28 <el_en> i'm having a descriptive rather than prescriptive approach to what is valid. 23:26:22 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:30 <el_en> well, what about, are there any spanish words where 'll' is pronounced as /ll/ and not /j/? 23:27:21 <smeding> i figure there might be in instances where the syllable boundary is in between the Ls 23:27:25 <smeding> apart from that i have no clue 23:27:53 <el_en> in catalan there are, but they use a · to express that. e.g. "Paral·lel" (a subway station in Barcelona). 23:28:00 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:09 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: i have never encountered those 23:29:45 <el_en> m'kay, i don't remember hearing about such either. 23:34:13 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:36:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-219-124.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:38:26 *** OwenS [~OwenS@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:00 *** Arthemax [~Arthemax@212251211109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 23:50:14 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]