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Log for #openttd on 4th February 2009:
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00:00:10  <User1> and thought this OpenTTD would be a complete one with all needed files inclusive
00:00:58  <SpComb> no, most people play with the graphics from the origional TTD, and OpenTTD obviously can't distribute those
00:01:11  <NukeBuster> how do i keep the goto button sticky?
00:01:27  <kd5pbo> Aren't there other graphics out there?
00:01:45  <Eddi|zuHause> NukeBuster: press the "G" key
00:01:48  <User1> yes, it can't, you're right
00:01:50  <NukeBuster> thanks
00:02:06  <Eddi|zuHause> (note that this does not make it sticky, but easier to handle)
00:02:27  <Eddi|zuHause> there might be a setting meanwhile, though. didn't play in a while
00:03:11  <User1> so could someone tell me if all required files, not the original ones, patched ones, made by users for other users, are available in the forum?
00:03:36  <SpComb> there's OpenGFX, which is apparently fairly complete now
00:04:30  <SpComb> never looked at it personally though, I bought the Tycoon Collection pack sometime a long time ago
00:05:18  <User1> well, I think I've got to do the same
00:06:30  <SpComb> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hasbro-Tycoon-Collection-3-pack/dp/B00004UBQ0
00:07:51  <User1> thanks
00:08:20  <User1> but I think I'm going to search one from Germany....cheaper delivery than from the isle :P
00:09:21  <SpComb> a lot of the people "selling" Transport Tycoon are really just giving you an illegal download, though, so be careful
00:09:41  <Sacro> all the ones on ebay are illegal
00:09:50  <Sacro> they  come with a "XP compatability"
00:10:13  <User1> oh, thanks! good to know
00:10:56  <petern> My copy from ebay was legit
00:11:25  <SpComb> nah, some of the ones on ebay.de look completely legit
00:11:30  <petern> But no point buying a dodgy copy when you can get those very easily anyway
00:12:31  <User1> dodgy? sorry, don't know that word
00:13:32  <kd5pbo> illegitimate
00:13:39  <kd5pbo> Also, not trustable.
00:14:31  <SpComb> http://www.5dollarsoftware.com/s5775.html <-- but e.g. that?
00:15:38  <User1> thanks for the translation
00:19:53  <SpComb> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260355324538 <-- but e.g. that's a fraud
00:21:17  <User1> i've got found a download-area, which offers a lot of TTD-files, even playable versions:
00:21:19  <User1> http://www.tt-ms.de/downloads/
00:21:44  <Eddi|zuHause> that is... err... not very legal...
00:22:11  <User1> ??not?
00:22:12  <User1> oh
00:22:21  <petern> not legal
00:22:23  <User1> so better not
00:22:35  <petern> being not legal doesn't stop most people
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00:23:01  <el_en> OpenTTD itself is not quite legal, so... if that matters, avoid using it.
00:24:01  <User1> I did not think, that such a quite normal looking webpage would offer a illegal version
00:24:10  <User1> or illegal offer
00:24:38  <Sacro> heh
00:24:56  <SmatZ> you don't pay for it, so it's suspicious..
00:25:16  <SmatZ> but still much better than when you pay for it and you get an illegal copy :-P
00:25:23  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't pay for Linux either, so it is also suspicious ;)
00:25:47  <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: should be.
00:25:50  <Sacro> blooming germans and their capitalism
00:26:25  <Eddi|zuHause> capitalism is dead.
00:26:37  <SmatZ> :-)
00:26:41  <User1> I thought, TT is freeware nowadays, so it could be a legal offer
00:27:03  <Sacro> nope
00:27:08  <Sacro> TT isn't freeware at all
00:27:13  <User1> yes, i realised ;)
00:27:18  <Sacro> not until the copyright owners say so
00:27:23  <User1> or is it realized? don't know
00:27:25  <Eddi|zuHause> life of the author plus 70 years
00:27:28  <SmatZ> http://www.chrissawyer.com/faq2.htm :-p
00:27:41  <Eddi|zuHause> and as far as we can tell, the author is still alive
00:28:00  <SmatZ> or has been alive in the last 70 years
00:28:06  <Sacro> User1: realised
00:28:35  <User1> thanks Sacro, learned something again ;)
00:28:41  <el_en> the "support the developers" part is maybe exaggeration after all these years.
00:29:40  <SmatZ> :)
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00:30:39  <Eddi|zuHause> "it's unlikely it will ever be updated unless the time and costs can be justified by potential sales" <- with the existance of TTDPatch and OpenTTD, these expectations are probably very very low.
00:31:19  <SmatZ> :)
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00:33:39  <User1> well, I think these were my questions
00:34:24  <User1> I'm going to look out for some legal versions, may be ebay could help me
00:34:54  <User1> gn8 everyone
00:34:59  <User1> and thanks for answering
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00:48:03  <FauxFaux> RE earlier, http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=48935, 1.9mb .torrent. :p
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01:08:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15332 /trunk/src/heightmap.cpp: -Fix (r15190): terrain generated from heightmaps always was at sea level at both southern borders
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01:10:24  <el_en> testing € À ö Å¡ прОвет
01:10:37  <glx> works
01:10:52  <goodger> ^this
01:10:59  <Sacro> µ
01:11:03  <Sacro> πÞœ
01:11:19  <Sacro> 
01:11:56  <glx> ばか
01:11:57  <el_en> but on the other hand, SpComb's log doesn't.
01:12:46  <el_en> there's just some crap instead of correct characters, no matter what the manually selected encoding is in the browser.
01:13:22  <Sacro> yeah
01:13:28  <Sacro> SpComb is a crap programmer :p
01:13:41  <glx> if the client uses wrong encoding it can't work :
01:13:45  <glx> :)
01:13:48  <Rubidium> playing with fancy letters again?
01:14:13  <Rubidium> well, characters
01:14:18  <Sacro> http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Bull-loose-west-Hull/article-668073-detail/article.html
01:15:51  <el_en> the bull in hull...
01:15:57  <Rubidium> ㏘ <- could use that to not highlight a certain person ;)
01:16:05  <el_en> ...stays mainly on the plain?
01:20:59  <el_en> SpComb: ur !logs thing doesn't obey the "UTF-8 please" charset.
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01:45:07  <SpComb> Sacro: pfft, I wrote that millions of years ago
01:45:43  <Sacro> lol
01:47:34  <SpComb> it seems to do htmlentities on the raw utf8 as latin1
01:54:05  <SpComb> hmm... this contains some interesting code
01:56:34  * SpComb partially fixes it to the limits of what he can be bothered to with PHP
01:57:12  <el_en> while you are at it, there's an unnecessary apostrophe in "Click the timestamp/nick to view the line in it's context"
02:00:15  <SpComb> darn
02:00:27  * SpComb toys around with idea of re-implementing in Python
02:01:05  <el_en> thanks, now it looks better apostrophewise.
02:01:23  <SpComb> still need to figure out wsgi and what's a sensible HTML template library
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09:17:50  <planetmaker> g'day
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09:38:06  * planetmaker hugs Rubidium :)  [02:15]	<Rubidium>	㏘ <- could use that to not highlight a certain person ;)
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09:47:24  <dihedral> hello
09:47:30  <dihedral> hello computer!
09:48:20  <welshdragon> good morning dihedral
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09:48:33  <dihedral> Sacro,  <- i can do one too :-P
09:48:39  <dihedral> hello welshdragon
09:49:28  * dihedral pokes Yexo
09:50:15  <welshdragon> bloody hell
09:50:19  <dihedral> ?
09:50:36  <welshdragon> my mac has 6:13 hours of battery life remaining
09:50:56  <welshdragon> that's more than what i'll need it for today
09:51:04  <planetmaker> :)
09:51:26  <planetmaker> welshdragon: compile a few times openttd and your remaining battery lifetime will decrease significantly :)
09:51:37  <welshdragon> nah
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09:54:07  <dihedral> yes, happens to me a lot
09:54:17  <dihedral> i think i have enough power for the train ride
09:54:26  <planetmaker> he, yes :) I know that, too
09:54:39  <dihedral> then you start coding and compiling
09:54:42  <planetmaker> from exactly those occasions...
09:54:52  <planetmaker> Another test bound to be on Friday :)
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09:54:56  <dihedral> and before you know it, you are stuck in a dark room and you miss the illumination of your screen
09:54:57  <dihedral> :-D
09:55:08  <welshdragon> and keyboard
09:55:15  * dihedral has a ppc
09:55:16  * welshdragon has the top end macbook
09:55:43  <dihedral> what i dont like about the new things is their size
09:56:02  <petern> estimated battery life is always a crock of shit...
09:56:04  <planetmaker> oh, the "normal" macbooks aren't too big IMO
09:56:17  <planetmaker> petern: it's quite alright for mine. Unless I change CPU usage :)
09:57:18  <planetmaker> the "10 minutes remaining" warning is usually quite correct.
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09:58:12  <welshdragon> yes, macs are pretty good at telling you how much battery you have left
09:58:27  <planetmaker> yup
09:58:49  <welshdragon> windows machines have variable computer usage
09:59:15  <thingwath> quite alright... for me it works like "you still have ~30 minutes" and few seconds later "hurry, your system is going to die in a few moments" :)
09:59:40  <dihedral> petern, i have had no issues with the estimates in my mac so far ;-)
09:59:55  <petern> is it new?
09:59:59  <dihedral> nope
10:00:03  <planetmaker> thingwath: that's only true, if it's ~30 minutes when using editors only and I then invoke a "make -j4" on the source...
10:00:06  <dihedral> PowerBook
10:00:07  <welshdragon> mine is
10:00:16  <dihedral> and the battery aint young either
10:00:18  <planetmaker> mine is 2 year old macbook. Still ok
10:00:48  <thingwath> maybe for macbook, but my PC works like that :)
10:00:52  <petern> what they need is a hydrogen fuel cell instead
10:00:56  <dihedral> estimates on other laptops... yes, ok, but that is something different
10:00:57  <planetmaker> thingwath: hehehe :)
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10:01:05  <planetmaker> petern: that'd be awesome :)
10:01:15  <thingwath> or maybe it is gnome-power-manager fault...
10:02:17  <planetmaker> I have no comparison to other laptops as the macbook is my first one... so...
10:03:01  <petern> ime battery laptops have massive capacity until you actually come to use it
10:03:08  <thingwath> but the best thing about gnome-power-manager is its warning dialog
10:03:29  <planetmaker> petern: sure, that's true. But is there an algorithm to estimate how much you're going to use it? :)
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10:04:01  <planetmaker> of course it might be an idea to give two estimates: remaining time with given power consumption and remaining time with max. power consumption
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10:05:23  <planetmaker> Another idea would be to introduce some kind of heuristics and monitor user habits - and give an estimate on previous behaviour.
10:05:35  <planetmaker> But surely then people would cry out that the sytem is spying onto them.
10:05:49  <thingwath> spying?
10:06:12  <thingwath> gnome-power-manager has some statistics about previous battery usage and shows even some charts
10:06:24  <planetmaker> well. A system which kind of records your behaviour in order to analyse it... :) Only thing you need is then a routine reporting it back :P
10:06:55  <planetmaker> thingwath: from current session? Or over several sessions?
10:08:03  <thingwath> I don't understand the charts :-)
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10:11:22  <planetmaker> then they're worthless.
10:11:34  <thingwath> Yes.
10:12:19  <welshdragon> hmm
10:13:37  <thingwath> http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xbarto11/discharge-time-profile.png
10:13:40  <thingwath> it looks like this
10:13:55  <thingwath> (stav baterie = battery state, uplynulÜ čas = elapsed time)
10:17:31  <petern> what is that supposed to mean?
10:18:17  <thingwath> discharge time profile
10:18:44  <petern> yes i know what the title is
10:18:49  <thingwath> I really have no idea... :)
10:19:09  <thingwath> If I knew, I would not ask. :)
10:19:26  <petern> to me it looks like it's saying the battery lasts 1m20 seconds even if it is 20% or 90% charged...
10:19:32  <petern> so clearly i don't know what i'm looking at
10:19:55  <thingwath> well, in english it's not elapsed time, but "average time elapsed"
10:21:52  <petern> means nothing to me :o
10:22:35  <thingwath> it might be just some random data, it's really meaningles :) I don't know why is it there.
10:22:47  <petern> urgh
10:22:54  <petern> 15" widescreen monitor
10:23:03  <petern> tiny :o
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10:45:00  <petern> bah, hungry
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