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00:00:34 <db48x> yea, I changed Flat to Empty 00:07:01 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 00:10:34 <db48x> Yexo: how's that? 00:11:08 <Yexo> struct spot_data 00:11:08 <Yexo> <- structs should have capitalized names, without _ 00:11:12 <Yexo> so SpotData 00:11:27 <Yexo> and imo SpotData doesn't tell what it's used for 00:12:15 <Yexo> you only use radius once, and you never change it 00:12:19 <Yexo> please make it a constant instead 00:12:33 <Yexo> + * @author db48x 00:12:33 <Yexo> <- we don't use that in openttd 00:13:13 <db48x> it's in the coding style page :) 00:14:30 <Yexo> not anymore ;) 00:14:43 <db48x> heh 00:14:52 <db48x> hmm 00:15:13 <db48x> I put the radius in the struct because otherwise I would need two constants that would have to be kept in sync 00:15:40 <Yexo> why? 00:16:22 <db48x> well, actually I don't any more 00:16:22 <Yexo> radius is only used once as far as I can see 00:16:36 <db48x> yea, now that I'm using GetClosestWaterDistance 00:17:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-211-146-65.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:17:07 <db48x> before, I was limiting that search for water to the original radius, because I know that the water can never be further away than that 00:17:54 <Yexo> I've added an example for multiline if-statements here: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Coding_style#Control_flow 00:18:09 <Yexo> use tabs instead of spaces, but that's not possible on the wiki 00:18:25 <db48x> of course 00:18:33 <Yexo> hmm, you already did that one correct I see now 00:18:56 <Yexo> + return false; 00:18:56 <Yexo> <- still spaces 00:19:42 <db48x> mmm 00:20:59 <db48x> well, I must run 00:21:03 <db48x> thank you for your help 00:21:13 <Yexo> + /* if we get here, all we can do is give up and return the original tile */ 00:21:13 <Yexo> <- shouldn't you return INVALID_TILE instead? 00:21:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:21:30 <db48x> mmm, perhaps 00:21:43 <Yexo> + * always a possibility <- next lines uses spaces instead of tabs 00:21:59 <db48x> I believe I just fixed that 00:21:59 <Yexo> and that */ should be on the same line, not on a new one 00:22:23 <Yexo> if (t->population > 0) { <- that lines, and the lines below it, I'd replace that with: 00:22:32 <Yexo> if (t->population > 0) return t; 00:22:35 <Yexo> delete t; 00:22:47 <db48x> fair enough 00:23:15 <db48x> ok, I really have to go. 00:23:31 <Yexo> this apparently didn't happen very often before, but it was 00:23:31 <Yexo> <- that comment shouldn't be in the source code, can you image anyone reading the code in about a year? (what is "before" at that time?) 00:27:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 00:29:41 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B768B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:04 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:25 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 00:46:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:49:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.97] has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:07:59 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:22 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 01:25:41 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 01:33:12 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:03 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 01:58:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15496 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: one division less in the train acceleration code 01:58:49 <el_en> will it accelerate faster now? 01:59:24 <SmatZ> el_en: the affects only train braking... 02:00:07 <SmatZ> it doesn't change anything 02:07:15 <el_en> roger 02:12:17 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227071044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 02:18:07 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:18:37 <JdGordon> is it still expceted to see black squares in the open replacement graphics set? 02:26:25 <Yexo> yes, it is 02:28:14 <welshdragon> question: can player 1 build a station next to (joining) player 2's? 02:28:31 <Yexo> yes, by holding ctrl when you build the station 02:28:45 <Yexo> it won't be the same station though 02:28:52 <welshdragon> that's fine 02:30:23 <welshdragon> now i can't get the signal gui :( 02:30:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:09 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 02:44:59 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has joined #openttd 02:45:25 <DarkED> hi all 02:47:26 <DarkED> i'm having a problem hosting an openttd server. i've configured my router to pass thru tcp/udp ports 3979 but it doesn't seem to be working. if i set my router to DMZ mode it works, but then I can't use any other computers on my network so that's only a temporary fix 02:49:07 <DarkED> am i missing some ports or something? 02:49:19 <Aali> nope 02:49:29 <DarkED> hmm :( 02:55:45 <DarkED> does openttd use ICMP for anything? 02:57:10 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:22 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has joined #openttd 02:58:19 <DarkED> hah yay for disconnects 03:06:40 <Tefad> you didn't miss anything. 03:06:42 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:15:44 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has joined #openttd 03:15:55 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has quit [] 03:21:30 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.105.136] has joined #openttd 03:26:37 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:27:20 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.105.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:28 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 03:30:04 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has joined #openttd 03:40:16 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:56 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 03:46:35 <welshdragon> what other programs can edit .cfg files? 03:46:49 <Yexo> did you try any text editor? 03:47:02 <welshdragon> ....no :P 03:47:11 <welshdragon> stupid me :P 03:50:48 <welshdragon> oh thank fook, i can see the signal gui now :) 03:52:00 <DarkED> signal GUI owns :D 03:52:21 <DarkED> probably the most useful tool i've ... used 03:54:42 <Yexo> welshdragon: you could also have enabled that option via the gui :0 03:55:01 <Yexo> advanced settings->construction->signals->Enable the signal gui 03:55:10 <welshdragon> Yexo: i couldn't see that 03:55:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:58:41 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:00:43 <welshdragon> hmm, do i go to sleep............ 04:00:50 <welshdragon> it is 4:00 am 04:01:04 <welshdragon> and i have a lecture in 4 hourd 04:04:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:06:03 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:12:59 <JdGordon> I just tried trams for the first time and they dont run as I woul have expeted.... do I have to put loops at the end of each "line" for then to turn around and not go wandering? 04:20:03 <Ailure> guys 04:20:07 <Ailure> oops 04:20:09 <Ailure> wrong channel 04:29:43 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has joined #openttd 04:29:45 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has quit [] 04:33:39 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 04:36:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:38:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:38:50 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has joined #openttd 04:38:54 *** DarkED [~DarkED@24.224.101.68] has quit [] 04:41:34 <flowOver> woo i finally compiled a patched copy of my own. i guess thats the beauty of open source :D eeee i'm like a kid who just got a wii 04:43:41 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:46:48 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 04:51:36 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 04:55:15 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:58:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:04:37 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:05:03 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-124.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:06:23 <SpComb> flowOver: next thing you know you'll be modifying the code yourself 05:08:31 <flowOver> maybe. i'm still trying to decipher exactly what's going on. applying diff's is alot easier than I thought it'd be though. 05:29:26 *** Ailure [~Coming@h114n3c1o912.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:25 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 05:58:29 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:59:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:10 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:13 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 06:01:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:17:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CC2B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 06:52:55 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.154] has joined #openttd 06:54:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:57:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.215.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:18 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-99.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:21:35 *** Ailure [~Coming@h90n3c1o912.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 07:31:45 <planetmaker> good morning 07:37:18 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 07:46:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:49:28 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9F6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:50:25 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:53 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:03:54 *** Ailure [~Coming@h90n3c1o912.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:43 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 08:11:40 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:12:01 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1a7.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:37 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:15:01 <Roest> morning 08:19:43 <flowOver> i'm having difficulty finding road graphics that work on 32bpp zoom :( 08:20:36 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:31 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-99.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 08:30:42 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:55 <flowOver> probably something in the code i'm thinking. with alltakens pack, when i zoom in the intersections aren't displayed, but rather another random tile and it creates artifacts as you move the view around. without the pack it shows the regular default graphics on extra zoom instead of the 32bpp original scale graphics i have installed 08:54:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BAC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:00 <Roest> is there like a grf or setting that removes the sound of road/rail crossings? 09:01:26 <petern> yes 09:03:09 <Roest> which one of the two? 09:07:31 <petern> grf 09:09:29 <petern> "32bpp zoom" is a pointless exercise 09:13:36 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:17:23 <dihedral> oi 09:17:49 <petern> what? 09:17:52 <Roest> but it looks good 09:18:02 <dihedral> oi = hi 09:18:06 <petern> no it doesn't 09:18:35 <petern> oi, get off my lawn 09:18:41 <petern> oi, what are you playing at 09:18:46 <dihedral> oi petern 09:18:49 <dihedral> tudo bem? 09:18:55 <petern> GET OFF MY LAWN 09:18:57 <Roest> it looks better 09:19:07 <dihedral> petern, caps lock? :-P 09:19:24 <petern> it does not look better 09:20:02 <Roest> hmm ok 09:20:15 <Roest> do you happen to have a link to that grf? 09:20:19 <petern> no 09:21:07 <flowOver> the point is more detail in graphics and i like that. plus my roomies 1080i screen doesn't show finer details well when in windowed mode. it looks far more awesome zoomed in 09:24:59 *** Roest is now known as Guest265 09:25:02 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9EAD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:17 *** Guest265 [~schurade@p54B9F6EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:54 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:02 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:26 *** JdGordon [~jonno@123-243-140-31.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:07 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:06:46 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 10:06:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:13:58 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 10:26:33 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:28:46 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:45:59 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:50:00 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:50:47 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:57:49 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-164-125-149.range86-164.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:22:23 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad51a6e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:23:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923ec.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:49 *** Alainspc [~chatzilla@5ad7c731.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:30:22 <Alainspc> hi all 11:31:46 <dihedral> well done Alain 11:33:09 <Alainspc> thanks very much can i just ask one thing how do i chage it so my name or some thing come up in the main menu 11:33:33 <dihedral> ? 11:33:40 <dihedral> you mean in openttd? 11:33:58 <Alainspc> yer 11:34:30 <dihedral> ./configure --revision="r####-Alain" 11:34:40 <dihedral> where #### matches the revision you are compiling 11:35:25 <Alainspc> so i just open that file useingtortoiseSVN and eidt it 11:35:51 <dihedral> ...... 11:35:55 <petern> tortoisesvn is not an editor 11:35:56 <dihedral> what i just say? 11:36:56 <Alainspc> and one more thing hod do i make a patchpack so mates can just download and run the game with out compiling it 11:37:17 <dihedral> make bunle 11:37:22 <dihedral> zip the bundle folder 11:37:23 <dihedral> upload 11:37:41 <dihedral> there you have a binary for your architecture 11:37:48 <Alainspc> ok 11:37:54 <dihedral> *make bundle 11:38:18 <dihedral> and also provide the patch file (separate upload is ok) 11:38:33 <dihedral> do not include the original data files 11:38:54 <dihedral> the ones from your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM 11:39:09 <Alainspc> can i ask why 11:39:15 <dihedral> copyrighted material 11:39:21 <dihedral> you dont have the rights to 11:39:30 <dihedral> else OpenTTD would probably come with them too 11:41:02 <Alainspc> lol ok have i evern got the rights to make this patch pack 11:42:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CC2B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:13 <dihedral> OpenTTD is open source 11:42:18 <dihedral> you can modify and distribute 11:42:36 <dihedral> the original data files are not from OpenTTD nor do they stand under the gnu gpl 11:43:42 <Alainspc> ok 11:44:18 <Alainspc> is this were i change the number and put mine in 11:44:26 <Alainspc> set_default() { 11:44:28 <Alainspc> released_version="" 11:45:43 <dihedral> are you at all reading what i said? 11:45:54 <dihedral> run ./configure with --revision= 11:46:05 <dihedral> then make 11:46:11 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923ec.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:46:30 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 11:47:44 <Alainspc> so when i am useingMSYS i tpye in ./configure with --recision=KGAT r15496 11:47:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:48:47 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cd5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:48:47 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:24 <dihedral> petern, you are an MSYS guy, right? 11:49:39 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:42 <Alainspc> yer i am 11:53:06 *** Alainspc [~chatzilla@5ad7c731.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 11:53:18 <petern> dihedral: a what? 11:53:39 <Ammler> Alainspc: I would patch rev.cpp.in 11:53:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm232.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:53:51 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:54:33 <Ammler> he :-) 11:54:36 <dihedral> petern, whatever alain is after 11:54:44 <petern> i use msvc 11:54:55 <dihedral> that's what i meant :-P 12:03:24 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:14:31 <petern> A src/lang/unfinished/luxembourgish.txt 12:14:35 <petern> luxembourgish? 12:14:46 <petern> heh 12:16:19 <Gekz> that's a german langauiage|? 12:18:07 <Ammler> frenchish? 12:20:31 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CC2B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:10 <Roest> ah the silence :) thanks petern 12:30:49 <petern> ? 12:30:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cd5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:05 <Roest> found that grf, took some digging tho 12:31:10 <petern> ah 12:31:21 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:26 <Roest> anyone using the dbset ? 12:33:07 <petern> i have done 12:33:51 <Roest> hmm guess i try one more thing before i ask that potentially stupid question 12:34:06 <dihedral> :-D 12:34:31 <petern> why bother? noone else does 12:35:06 <dihedral> the sad thing is mainly people who dont ask anything else but stupid questions 12:35:40 <dihedral> or people who blatantly refuse to read or search for themselves 12:37:59 <Roest> hmm no one else does? 12:39:52 <dihedral> yes - people just ask their stupid questions :-P 12:40:10 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:12 * dihedral looks at certain nicks in the nicklist of this channel 12:40:42 <Roest> anyway the ice3 graphic is borked, now i can rule out conflicting grfs so guess it's using some function that changed since he made that set 12:43:53 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:46:12 <dihedral> fix it :-P 12:46:37 <Roest> or wait for 0.9 :P 12:53:29 <petern> Roest, borked? 12:53:47 <petern> you mean it shows "STOP" or "MORE" but you haven't figured out it's an instruction? 12:54:07 <Roest> red question marks instead of wagons 12:54:12 <petern> quite so 12:54:26 <petern> ice3 should be made in 4, 8, or 16 lengths 12:54:44 <petern> so you didn't heed the STOP or MORE messages... 12:57:07 <Roest> urghs 13:02:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 13:05:14 * dihedral pats Roest on the head :-P 13:10:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:18:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227071044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:27:01 <welshdragon> good morning dihedral 13:28:49 <dihedral> no 13:28:50 <dihedral> :-P 13:37:50 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 13:44:33 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:51:33 <welshdragon> how can i delete roads in a ity? 13:51:46 <welshdragon> the local authority refuses to allow this 13:52:02 <glx> is it a "border" road? 13:52:15 <welshdragon> no, inner city 13:52:28 <welshdragon> i have managed to delet all the border roads 13:52:36 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:39 <dihedral> *cough* wiki *cough* 13:53:02 <dihedral> remove more town owned roads........ 13:53:07 <welshdragon> *cough* can't be bothered *cough* :P 13:53:07 <glx> if it's in a loop, it's quite impossible to remove without cheating 13:53:16 <dihedral> welshdragon, and we should be? 13:53:26 <welshdragon> dihedral: point takren 13:53:32 <dihedral> i would hope so 13:55:16 <welshdragon> dihedral searching the wiki found nothing 13:55:31 <dihedral> and what was your search term? 13:55:49 <welshdragon> remove more town owned roads 13:56:50 <Timitry> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Extra_dynamite 13:57:10 <Timitry> Searching for town + road, first hit, ctrl + f and searching for "road" again 13:57:12 <dihedral> welshdragon, so you entered one single search term, and gave up? 13:57:50 <dihedral> + you should always check your rating if you cannot remove some town owned stuff / or if LA refuses something 13:58:06 <dihedral> and if that aint good enough for your action (compare with wiki) 13:58:17 <dihedral> then you can bribe and/or plant trees 13:58:49 <welshdragon> hmm, did i mention it's a multiplayer 13:58:50 <welshdragon> ? 13:59:03 <glx> that's another story ;) 13:59:22 <welshdragon> bleh :P 13:59:25 <glx> you can forget cheats then 13:59:40 <welshdragon> cheats are enabled i think 14:00:19 <dihedral> are they now 14:00:37 <welshdragon> well, i don't know 14:00:44 <dihedral> that i can more imagine :-P 14:01:29 <dihedral> multiplayer generally does not allow cheating, however the svn / map loaded can mention that cheats were used 14:01:35 <welshdragon> hmm, hang on, i'll pull off a save of this game and then build my track, meaning i can cheat :) 14:01:39 *** Eoin [Eoin@92-233-181-117.cable.ubr08.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:01:53 <welshdragon> oh, speak of the server admin :P 14:02:42 <dihedral> oh my word 14:06:03 <Eoin> lol 14:06:05 <Eoin> !logs 14:06:14 <Eoin> spcomb fail :( 14:06:32 <Eoin> ffs, i keep doing wrong channel 14:06:35 <Eoin> waking up at 2pm = bad 14:07:01 <welshdragon> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 14:08:11 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83551.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:25 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:26 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:43 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28C762.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:21:31 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:31 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cd8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:30:53 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:32:04 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:40:47 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: Splex, Phoenix_the_II, Ridayah 14:40:59 *** Netsplit over, joins: Phoenix_the_II, Splex, Ridayah 14:46:48 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:50:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cd8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:51:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.107] has joined #openttd 14:51:09 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4b2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:08 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4b2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:39 <dihedral> difficulty setting for local authorities: as long as a company has not 'rating' in a town, the company may not demolish town owned anything 15:12:47 <dihedral> that's be a nice thing :-P 15:12:51 <dihedral> *that'd 15:33:16 <petern> why? 15:36:02 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37E185.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:36:17 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9EAD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet622.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "bulldoze the whole town before they see it coming!" 15:40:58 <Belugas> it wold not be, i think. nobody would be able to construct anything nearby 15:41:03 <Eddi|zuHause> really... the only thing that's missing is a cheat for "ignore town rating" 15:42:40 <dihedral> petern, because people join spectator, create a new company, remove something in the town, then join their original company again, and continue as if nothing happened 15:43:59 <Rubidium> so they then build a station and remove something? 15:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> # i don't know what's right and what's real anymore 15:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> # and i don't know how i'm meant to feel anymore 15:44:51 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 15:45:19 <dihedral> Rubidium, good point 15:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the town rating is ready for a real overhaul, imho 15:48:49 <dihedral> just nobody is ready to code it :-P 15:49:31 <Ammler> [16:41] <Eddi|zuHause> really... the only thing that's missing is a cheat for "ignore town rating" <-- Magic Bulldozer 15:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: Kanonen, Spatzen? 15:50:16 <Ammler> well, we use that cheat also sometimes on our MP games 15:58:23 <petern> dihedral: remind me who wrote that feature... 15:59:52 <dihedral> :-) 16:00:00 <dihedral> petern, i'll find something 16:00:05 <Rubidium> lets do that by deduction? 16:00:09 <Rubidium> it wasn't me 16:00:31 <dihedral> however i love getting ideas from you ;-) 16:03:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it wasn't me either 16:08:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 16:09:20 <dihedral> petern, Rubidium: ideas welcome, i am happy to code it ;-) 16:10:33 <Rubidium> dihedral: what about forbidding to start new companies? 16:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause> imho, it should be "exponential" (as in pseudo-floating-point), that would avoid the problem of hitting a "minimum" rating (e.g. by removing 200 trees in the area) 16:11:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the first dozen trees should have a big effect on rating, the next 188 should have hardly any further effect 16:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but likewise it would take more than 188 new trees to get back to the area where trees actually make a difference 16:13:23 <Ammler> dihedral: you could also forbid creating a company for that reason by "house" rules. 16:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: just check for "multi accounts" from the same IP. should (mostly) solve that particular abuse 16:16:47 <Ammler> indeed, that is a IDEA. :-) 16:17:18 <Eddi|zuHause> also imho, there should be a "global" rating that will be used as a base for each individual town rating, if you have a good rating in all other towns, you get a bonus for dropping low in one town. 16:17:44 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can lower the default town rating for new companies to a level where they can hardly do anything in a town 16:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> while established companies can do a significantly higher amount of "damage" to a city they are just starting to develop 16:20:07 <Rubidium> so effectively an established company may plow with their goods line straight through a city and a new company can't build a bus stop in a town? 16:20:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: there needs to be some balancing for that 16:20:46 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:46 <Rubidium> but the balancing will allow a new company to remove a house/building, thus doing exactly what dihedral wants to prevent 16:21:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: basically the reasoning is that an "established, well-known" company has an advance-credit 16:22:33 <Rubidium> a well known company (in a town) can already destroy more than a new one 16:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: rather, do not allow destroying a bulding, but allow some road reconstruction (including roadstops on town-road) 16:23:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and i wanted to make that rating slightly more global 16:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so that a big company does not have too serious micromanaging problems when expanding to a new town 16:23:56 <Rubidium> so because DBs reputation is good they may destroy the center of Londen to build a rail line through it? 16:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> so basically, an established company can do about what it can do now, but a new company should be able to do significantly less 16:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it's about an initial bonus, the town rating would still drop as soon as you destroy houses and stuff 16:30:35 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:34:00 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@3-215-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has joined #openttd 16:34:44 <welshdragon> ok, n00b question, how do i change companies in a single player game (was multiplayer) 16:34:46 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@3-215-255.ggsn.netcom.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:53 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:05 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:35 <Vikthor> welshdragon: use cheats 16:36:17 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:21 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:18 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37E185.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 16:45:17 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:54:52 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9F75E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:57:47 *** BARONE [~TuttoIRC@87.13.163.240] has joined #openttd 16:57:53 *** BARONE [~TuttoIRC@87.13.163.240] has left #openttd [] 17:00:02 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 17:01:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fef7a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:04:04 <dihedral> <Eddi|zuHause> [17:15:41] dihedral: just check for "multi accounts" from the same IP. should (mostly) solve that particular abuse <- so that would require saving avery ip and association to a certain company 17:04:31 <dihedral> + some client could validly create a new company if the existing one is going bankrupt e.g. 17:06:00 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:09:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:12:59 <OsteHovel^EEE> t 17:15:05 <dihedral> so actually, creating a new company and then joining the company one was in before, would be the issue 17:15:23 <dihedral> and saving a 'company history' per client is... well.... 17:16:30 <kingj> Is there any way to stop hovercraft from "clumping" together 17:17:01 <dihedral> define "clumping" 17:17:21 <dihedral> driving through eachother? 17:17:46 <dihedral> no 17:18:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:56 <kingj> No, they are seperate when I first create them, but over time they all travel as one large group 17:21:03 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0EF88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:17 <dihedral> you can setup buoys and send each ship via it's own little 'route' difference 17:22:50 <kingj> Too much hard work :P 17:23:28 <dihedral> Rubidium, ^ here you have the reason as to why OpenTTD should never have been developed :-P 17:24:27 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:32 <kingj> I am not going back to the days of TTD where I had to create orders for every single vehicle, would take forever 17:26:37 <dihedral> you could copy and only change a single orde 17:26:40 <dihedral> *order 17:27:52 <frosch123> or you could use timetables 17:28:10 <kingj> I'll just leave them clumped, not too big an issue 17:29:31 <dihedral> as soon as work is involved, all of a sudden it's no issue 17:30:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.211.107] has joined #openttd 17:30:57 <kingj> It's a time/payoff thing. I could spend a lot of time giving them induvidual orders, or I could just live with it and develop other parts of the network 17:31:51 <dihedral> now if you should ever ask yourself why some feature may not be developed / included, you just gave the perfect answer ^^ 17:32:16 <dihedral> :-P 17:32:48 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 17:32:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.211.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:33:31 <kingj> Well, there is this one feature that would make me even lazier ;) 17:33:35 <kingj> Track/station templates 17:34:11 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-249.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:34:28 *** nicfer [~nicfer@168.226.104.65] has joined #openttd 17:34:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:34:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:07 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84a.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:44 <nicfer> one question, would be possible to make the electric wiring for tramtracks optional? 17:38:35 <nicfer> or even, being able to put the wires without a track 17:38:49 <nicfer> in short, make those two things independient 17:39:37 <SmatZ> you can make a trolleybus GRF that replaces the normal tram track by "road" 17:40:36 <Aali> or you can wait a few years for newgrf roadtypes support :P 17:41:09 <nicfer> better that :) 17:41:19 <dihedral> why do we have so many lazies around? 17:41:50 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.74] has joined #openttd 17:42:01 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.74] has quit [] 17:42:14 <nicfer> dirty roads and asphalted ones at the same time, yeah 17:42:28 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28C762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:12 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad9f84a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:34 <Roest> so dihedral i take it for vehicle upgrades you select every single one and send it to the depot 17:44:53 <dihedral> ?? 17:45:13 <dihedral> why on earth would i do that 17:45:27 <Roest> well you argue against everything that would remove tedium 17:46:23 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad684ba.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:46:45 <dihedral> not true 17:47:30 <dihedral> i argue against "i cannot be bothered because achieving what i am after involves a click too much for my taste" 17:49:32 <Ammler> kingj: timetable for that works nice 17:50:32 <Ammler> could also be used for buses etc. 17:52:59 <dihedral> great... smallfly decided to join my server 17:58:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet622.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:07 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-249.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:15 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-249.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:08:26 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad684ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:36 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:41 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:30:36 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:39 <Belugas> was it McFly or SmallFly... can't remember... 18:33:08 <frosch123> MartyMcFly 18:34:01 * frosch123 << ChuckBerry 18:35:17 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-249.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:35 <Belugas> yeah :) 18:35:45 <Belugas> tx and hello to frosch123 18:35:51 <SmatZ> hello Belugas 18:36:06 <Belugas> and hello to SmatZ too :) 18:38:57 *** OsteHovel^EEE [~OsteHovel@062016205204.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:44:52 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 18:53:33 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 18:53:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:59:36 <Belugas> anyone ever tried to RDP using Ubuntu/Linux? 19:00:10 <kingj> With linux as the client? 19:00:46 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad4a4.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:02:08 <kingj> I tried before, works without issue 19:02:48 <Belugas> yeah, as a client. 19:02:53 <Belugas> was it hard to setup? 19:03:00 <kingj> No 19:03:13 <Belugas> and was it satisfactory? 19:03:17 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:03:17 <kingj> Under ubuntu I just launched the RDP client and connected. Pretty much the same as a windows box 19:03:27 <Belugas> good :) 19:03:28 <Belugas> thaks 19:03:30 <Belugas> thanks 19:03:33 <kingj> Yep, satisfactory. This was a while ago though, not tried recently (within last 3mo) 19:03:33 <Forked> rdesktop was pretty good when I last used it.. and that was a couple of years ago(?) 19:03:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:04:27 <thingwath> well, I had problems with keyboard layout with rdesktop :) I had no idea which one was really used 19:05:17 <Belugas> kingj, i guess the VPN connection was as easy, right? 19:05:41 <kingj> Didn't use a VPN 19:06:00 <Belugas> ho... I have to. mmh.. ok 19:06:05 <kingj> It did work with SSH tunneling however, but a true VPN I can't say 19:08:12 <Belugas> I guess i'll find out tonigh :) 19:12:09 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:12:14 <Wolf01> hello 19:14:22 <el_en> hello telecomitalia.it 19:16:12 *** cyqu [~cyqu@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:47 <Wolf01> that's a proxy, I'm from ehy a monkey with 3 heads! 19:18:55 * Wolf01 hides 19:19:31 <Belugas> which head is now hidden? 19:20:33 <Wolf01> ... 19:22:01 <Belugas> huhuhuhu 19:26:24 <Wolf01> nice, the dealer waited until 5 days ago to answer, tomorrow ends the grace period of paypal and they said they sent me a new packet... tomorrow I'm not @ home, at least not until the expiration, what should I do? (1st time they answered I never received the packet, but I did and it was void, 5 days ago they answered that the packet was not accepted by their office and was sent back...) 19:27:12 <Wolf01> s/void/empty that was not a black hole 19:28:24 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:29:03 <Roest> cancel it 19:30:39 <nicfer> other cool idea would be able to place hybrid monorail/railway tracks at the same time 19:30:51 <nicfer> however... 19:30:59 <nicfer> it may require new graphics 19:32:07 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:41 <nicfer> and other thing, where is the electric fences for monorail track? 19:33:51 <nicfer> fences -> overhead wires 19:34:31 <nicfer> or monorails use energy from the tracks? 19:34:36 <Wolf01> catenary 19:35:34 <Wolf01> the monorails I've seen used to use energy from the tracks... when they didn't have a diesel engine 19:36:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80B10.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8274A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:38:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:38:17 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:30 <Wolf01> http://www.surangaonline.com/himal2/sunway/monorail.jpg I think here you can see what is called third-rail on standard rails 19:39:49 <thingwath> second-rail :) 19:39:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:40:51 * frosch123 always wondered how often animals get between those rails 19:42:11 <Rubidium> you mean: whether future archeologists can determine where monorail/third rail has been based on the amount of small animal remains? 19:42:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:42:58 <Wolf01> ahaha 19:44:24 <frosch123> that's of course an advantage, maybe the same method could be used to preserve information from the digital century 19:44:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:46:14 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34871.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 19:46:26 <thingwath> place bodies of small animals where our datacentres were? 19:47:16 <Belugas> maybe they'll believe (futur archeos) that the rails where actually an althar to some stange deities... 19:47:32 <thingwath> they are. :) 19:49:22 <thingwath> Look, those people believed in a safe, fast and clean transportation. Haha! 19:53:39 <Belugas> mmh... 19:53:48 <Belugas> could it be "running" ? 19:59:18 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 20:00:43 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34871.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:46 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34871.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:12 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34871.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:47 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad34871.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:26 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm232.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:11:42 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-45-150.dsl.phnet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:11:58 <Elukka> is it just me, or do non-company coloured sets with real colours tend to look better 20:12:22 <petern> depends how you define 'better' 20:12:28 <petern> more variety, certainly 20:12:39 <petern> you can't tell me that ukrs looks bad though 20:14:20 <Aali> the 2cc set looks very good with the "right" company colors 20:16:16 <Elukka> ukrs definitely doesnt look bad 20:28:57 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 20:32:59 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:33:17 * petern tests Q6600 compile time 20:33:35 <petern> aww 20:33:39 <petern> 35 seconds 20:33:53 <petern> <3 20:34:04 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:25 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [] 20:35:08 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 20:37:54 * Rubidium wonders whether that's quick for compiling the VHDL of a Q6600 into something that can actually make a Q6600 20:38:43 <De_Ghosty> q6600? 20:38:49 <De_Ghosty> that's so last year 20:38:54 <De_Ghosty> it's all about i7 baby 20:39:17 <De_Ghosty> it have like a 40% performance gain with on board memory controller 20:39:23 <De_Ghosty> which is like 20:39:24 <De_Ghosty> :o 20:39:31 <De_Ghosty> i'm like 20:39:32 <De_Ghosty> damn 20:39:33 <De_Ghosty> i wantz 20:39:42 <De_Ghosty> but then i look at price and it;s like 20:39:45 <De_Ghosty> holy shitz 20:39:55 <De_Ghosty> ASDSDFSDF 20:40:28 *** hipahyl [~hipahyl@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 20:40:49 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-169-121.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [] 20:44:10 *** nicfer [~nicfer@168.226.104.65] has left #openttd [] 20:47:05 *** Ace_Of_Paranoia [~Ace_Of_Sp@bb-87-80-177-206.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:47:22 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Hello? 20:47:37 <db48x> yes, we are out to get you 20:47:45 <db48x> er, I mean, hello 20:47:50 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Mwahaha Beans 20:47:56 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> whats this chat room about? 20:48:27 <Yexo> would be it too obvious if I answered "OpenTTD", like the channel name? 20:48:34 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Nope 20:48:37 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> xD 20:48:55 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> I just IP checked a mate, and saw that he was in these chat rooms 20:48:58 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:48:59 <db48x> OpenTTD is a game 20:49:00 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> so decided to join them 20:49:04 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> O 20:49:06 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Oh 20:49:09 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> What type of game 20:49:16 <Yexo> check openttd.org 20:49:16 <db48x> don't try it, it's addictive 20:49:38 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Hehe 20:49:46 <Belugas> warning: you need a brain for playing this game. 20:50:04 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Warning: You dont need to be a cunt... 20:50:30 <KingJ> It's good simple advice that will do you well 20:51:08 <Ace_Of_Paranoia> Oki Doki 20:51:41 <Forked> Belugas: that explains why I build such shitty networks :-) 20:51:50 *** Ace_Of_Paranoia [~Ace_Of_Sp@bb-87-80-177-206.ukonline.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Powered by IBIRC from [http://community.bbresources.net/]] 20:52:16 <Forked> interesting.. "ip checked a mate".. and from that info saw he was in some irc channel 20:52:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-222-110.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:52:35 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 20:52:40 <Rubidium> /whois 127.0.0.1 ? 20:53:00 <Forked> are you saying he did an ip check on his right hand? 20:53:00 <Forked> ¯\(º_o)/¯ 20:53:04 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [] 20:53:24 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-62.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:53:31 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:53:43 <Rubidium> Forked: no, might've been his left hand 20:55:39 <Forked> perhaps 20:57:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:59:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:14:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fef7a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:42 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9F75E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:23:00 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:49 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:47 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:04 <planetmaker> > -Fix (r12648): pre-0.5 OTTD stored new_nonstop and full_load_any in a different way, savegame conversion wasn't working for them <-- reading that commit message, the person who did it was nearly clear :) 21:48:55 <SmatZ> does it mean I am clear or not? is it good or bad? :) 21:50:06 <planetmaker> :) I just wanted to say "oh, sounds like a typical bug which calls for SmatZ to fix it" :) 21:50:12 <planetmaker> So, I guess, it's good :) 21:50:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet622.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:50:53 <planetmaker> I guess you're one of the few people who constantly check for whether it still loads pre-historic savegames... 21:51:07 <planetmaker> :D 21:51:26 <planetmaker> At least I've no other explanation how you always find these bugs. 21:51:56 <SmatZ> planetmaker: hehe :o) 21:52:20 <planetmaker> (not to speak of the recent implementation of TTO savegames :P ) 21:52:26 <SmatZ> 0.4.8 isn't prehistoric compared to 0.1 or 0.2 games ;) 21:52:27 <SmatZ> hehe ;) 21:53:02 <planetmaker> anything before I found OpenTTD is prehistoric in my terms :P 21:53:18 <TinoDidriksen> It's an area that's easy to regression test and fix, and will only make people happy, so worth doing. 21:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i played 0.4.0 21:53:23 * planetmaker <-- fossil ;) 21:53:51 <Rubidium> s/happy/not unhappy/ 21:54:22 <planetmaker> :P 21:54:39 <planetmaker> sounds like a bit negative view, Rubidium :) 21:55:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: how many people tell they are happy you didn't introduce a bug? 21:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> half rather non-empty 21:55:45 <planetmaker> Rubidium: fairly few, I guess :P 21:55:48 <Rubidium> and how many people are unhappy when you introduce a bug 21:56:05 <planetmaker> That depends where and what type :) 21:56:24 <planetmaker> I'm currently unhappy with "bus error" :( 21:57:08 <SmatZ> planetmaker: use trains 21:57:08 <TinoDidriksen> Where are you getting those? 21:57:15 <planetmaker> :D 21:57:47 <planetmaker> TinoDidriksen: with a obviously not correctly working patch of mine. 21:58:02 <planetmaker> Game crashes with a bus error. So I guess faulty memory access 21:58:11 <TinoDidriksen> So, fix it? Easy to track down. valgrind ftw. 21:58:12 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 21:58:15 <SmatZ> planetmaker: maybe misaligned memory access 21:58:30 <planetmaker> hm... dunno. It's a call to Carbon framework 21:58:40 <TinoDidriksen> Oh 21:58:59 <planetmaker> maybe a bit wrong parameters 21:59:13 <planetmaker> Let me check in 30 minutes (not home right now) 22:00:26 <planetmaker> wooooh! 22:00:30 <planetmaker> Cheers! 22:00:45 <planetmaker> 0.7.0 approaching :) 22:02:04 <SmatZ> bad bad svn 22:02:37 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Use trains instead. 22:03:00 <Prof_Frink> Oh, bugger, someone else already made that joke 22:03:02 <planetmaker> old joke, Prof_Frink ;) 22:03:32 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: That'll teach me to read the scrollback from the top of the screen, not the middle 22:03:38 <planetmaker> :D 22:04:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:10:37 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest355 22:10:38 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 22:11:06 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest356 22:11:06 *** Guest355 is now known as SmatZ 22:11:13 *** Guest356 [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:18 <petern> who what? 22:13:35 <Rubidium> where when? 22:17:07 <petern> why how? 22:17:28 <planetmaker> by what means? to what end? 22:17:34 <SmatZ> whose whom? 22:21:19 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228064238.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:25:13 <RS-SM> also, odd question 22:25:22 <RS-SM> could you make subways in open ttd 22:25:30 <planetmaker> not currently 22:27:43 <RS-SM> argh 22:27:51 <RS-SM> could I say mod in another 22:28:05 <RS-SM> layer that trains could run, underneath the land? 22:28:24 <TinoDidriksen> Wasn't someone working on layers? 22:28:40 <RS-SM> I mean my dream city would have underground rail terminals 22:28:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227071044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:47 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:29:05 <RS-SM> instead of 10 busses shuttling everyone to JFK international multitransit terminal 22:29:21 <Aali> go play simcity dammit 22:29:41 <Rubidium> or transport empire 22:29:41 <RS-SM> I lost my CD 22:29:53 <Aali> seriously though, this has been suggested many times and it would take considerable effort to implement 22:30:03 <Aali> so, it's probably not going to happen any time soon 22:30:54 <planetmaker> RS-SM: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/3d/tunnel.png <-- like that :P ? 22:31:42 <RS-SM> sweeeeeettt 22:31:54 <RS-SM> I could finally make my sim of manhattan 22:32:13 <RS-SM> I like emulating real cities, its fun to see how open ttd runs things 22:32:40 <RS-SM> but the bus engine is .... why is it so good 22:33:39 <Rubidium> still... OpenTTD doesn't support aircraft landing in the water (yet) 22:33:51 <Rubidium> and that seems fairly important to emulate NY 22:34:03 <planetmaker> ymmd, Rubidium :D 22:34:06 <RS-SM> Rage 22:34:07 <KingJ> It does support floating busses and trains however 22:34:08 <SmatZ> hehe 22:34:55 <Rubidium> planetmaker: not much of that day is left anymore 22:35:15 <planetmaker> true. Unfortunately :( 22:36:45 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:57 <dihedral> was this channel not once +c ? 22:39:15 <db48x> just build lots of tunnels in your city 22:39:40 <planetmaker> what is +c? 22:40:26 <Ammler> no color, I guess. 22:40:42 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 22:40:48 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:09 <planetmaker> oh, well. I've turned off display of user colour, I guess. 22:41:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8274A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: system is entering sleep mode] 22:41:31 <Aali> it IS +c 22:41:47 <Eoin> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/3d/tunnel.png dosent load planetmaker 22:42:12 <planetmaker> Eoin: works for me. 22:42:20 <dihedral> here too 22:42:39 <Eoin> The document contains no data. 22:42:50 <dihedral> then you are doing something wrong 22:42:57 <Eoin> am not :( 22:43:01 <dihedral> perhaps click on the link you posted, just as i did 22:43:05 <Eoin> i did 22:43:06 <planetmaker> here the document contains a png image :) 22:43:08 <dihedral> use wget or another browser 22:43:21 <Eoin> it works now o.O 22:43:22 <dihedral> i cannot say it's pretty either 22:43:38 <Eoin> what is it meant to be xD 22:43:45 <planetmaker> it's not meant to be a mona lisa replica ;) 22:43:45 <Eoin> a fake underground? 22:43:54 <planetmaker> a real underground 22:44:05 <Eoin> i thought it was photoshopped xD 22:44:17 <planetmaker> check the link w/o filename 22:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing is photoshopped ther 22:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a video 22:45:15 <Wolf01> which is photoshopped, frame by frame 22:45:16 <Eoin> oooOOOOoo 22:45:19 <Wolf01> XD 22:45:41 <Eddi|zuHause> a 3'D2' steam engine? never seen one of those 22:45:46 <planetmaker> :P I guess that'd be more work than it's worth. 22:46:02 <RS-SM> best steam engine is the big boy 22:46:04 <Wolf01> somebody said: "patch or it doesn't exists" 22:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the patch is right there... 22:49:49 <planetmaker> ^^ 22:50:13 <Wolf01> I'll try it tomorrow 22:50:17 <Wolf01> 'night 22:50:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:50:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:50:49 <planetmaker> what did I do? :P 22:51:08 <Rubidium> finish something? 22:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you buried him. 22:51:32 <planetmaker> Rubidium: unfortunately not. Well... yes. I finished looking through exams :) 22:53:43 <planetmaker> anyway, I guess it's time for bed right now :) 22:53:48 <planetmaker> So, good night all here :) 22:56:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:56:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:00:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:08:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:03 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggzzz 23:33:45 *** DarkED [~darked@203.160.1.71] has joined #openttd 23:34:45 <DarkED> hey all... i need some help. i'm running ubuntu 8.10. openttd is running way slower on ubuntu than it does in windows, to the point it's unplayable. in windows it runs so fast it's awesome. is there anything i can do? can i force it to use opengl instead of SDL maybe? 23:35:23 <Rubidium> do you, by any chance, have timidity installed? 23:35:30 <Rubidium> or rather, does it play the music? 23:35:31 <glx> try a 32bpp blitter 23:35:58 <glx> or try fullscreen 23:36:11 <DarkED> Rubidium, i do, yes. even when i didnt have timidity installed it was still way too slow 23:36:19 <DarkED> glx, will do that real quick, thanks 23:36:45 <Rubidium> timidity 'wastes' 50-90% CPU on my system, making OpenTTD unplayable 23:37:18 <DarkED> glx, tried 32bpp-anim blitter. still the same speed 23:37:19 <Rubidium> so not playing music; openttd -m null could make it playable 23:37:39 <glx> 32bpp-anim is the slowest :) 23:37:40 <DarkED> Rubidium, i'll uninstall timidity and see if it's any vetter 23:37:53 <glx> but 32bpp-optimized should work fine 23:38:17 <DarkED> holy cow 23:38:20 <DarkED> yeah it's fast 23:38:31 <DarkED> with optimized blitter i mean 23:38:37 <DarkED> what's the difference? i cant see any 23:38:40 <SmatZ> hmm interesting 23:38:44 <Rubidium> the animation 23:38:59 <SmatZ> DarkED: try turning off "Full animation" with your regular blitter 23:39:03 <Rubidium> so disabling animation in-game would probably give the same effect 23:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> 8bpp-optimised is supposed to be the fastest, but maybe your graphics card driver lacks 2d-acceleration for that? 23:39:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:39:38 <DarkED> Eddi|zuHause, it's a geforce 5950 ultra. so i think it could do 8bit. lemme check 23:40:02 *** Yeggzzz [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:10 <glx> yes it can do 8bpp but if the driver sucks... 23:40:13 <DarkED> 8bpp is even slower than 32bpp-anim :D so i guess not 23:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't really matter what the card can do, the bottleneck is usually the driver 23:40:25 <SmatZ> from the benchmarks I have done, there is just a little difference between 8bpp-optimized and 32bpp-anim when Full animation is enabled 23:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> at least on linux 23:41:19 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> neither ATI nor NVidia linux drivers are even close to par with their windows counterparts 23:41:40 * SmatZ is proud of optimisations he has done in 32bpp blitters ;) 23:41:59 * Eddi|zuHause admires SmatZ for his work 23:42:14 <DarkED> okay 23:42:29 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: thanks 8-) I am really pleased by that :) 23:42:35 <DarkED> i removed timidity, and i'm running it in 32bpp-optimized. that helps ALOT. but it's still not nearly as fast as it should be 23:42:39 <DarkED> is there anything else i can do? 23:43:08 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:18 <SmatZ> DarkED: run your regular (8bpp-optimized) blitter and disable Full animation. Also, make as many things invisible as you can (like, trees) 23:43:25 <Sacro> oooh 23:43:31 <Sacro> 0.7.0-beta1 :D 23:43:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 23:43:42 <glx> @op 23:43:45 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 23:43:47 <SmatZ> :o) 23:44:00 <DarkED> SmatZ, is 'full animation' an option in the game options menu or in openttd.cfg? 23:44:36 <dihedral> hint: have a look at your cfg 23:44:41 <SmatZ> DarkED: in game options... it's in a dropdown :) 23:45:07 *** glx changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3, 0.7.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence 23:45:15 <glx> @deop 23:45:24 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 23:45:33 <DarkED> SmatZ, mine doesnt have that. i'm using latest nightly 23:45:39 <DarkED> i'll just try the cfg 23:45:42 <Prof_Frink> betastic! 23:46:48 <glx> DarkED: it's modifiable ingame only 23:47:37 <DarkED> glx, is there a console command? 23:47:45 <glx> no 23:47:50 <DarkED> hmm... 23:48:30 <glx> it's the option dropdown 23:49:47 <DarkED> advanced settings maybe? in my game options menu i have graphics set, resolution, measurement units etc, language, currency, autosave, and language 23:49:48 <SmatZ> DarkED: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/full_animation.png 23:49:56 <DarkED> er i said language twice, sorry 23:50:47 <dihedral> very good work guys ;-) 23:50:57 <DarkED> SmatZ, okay, NOW i found it :D thanks a bunch 23:51:03 <SmatZ> you are welcome :) 23:51:09 <SmatZ> thanks, dihedral ;) 23:51:18 <DarkED> well... it runs a lot better than it did 23:51:23 <DarkED> i'm gonna play and see how it is 23:51:26 <DarkED> thanks a bunch for all your help 23:52:35 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860fa5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 23:52:44 <Roujin> cheers 23:53:00 <Roujin> yay for 0.7.0 beta1 :) 23:53:12 *** DarkED [~darked@203.160.1.71] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:12 <KingJ> Does b1 include cargopax? 23:53:23 <Roujin> wth is cargopax? 23:53:24 <Sacro> KingJ: rtfsl 23:53:37 <KingJ> Oh fine then, i'll do the work myself and read it 23:54:09 <Roujin> passengers packed into boxes so they can be shipped by goods trains? 23:54:39 <dihedral> hehe 23:55:01 <dihedral> KingJ, either you or someone else - as you asked the question, i am guessing it wont be someone else doing the work for you! 23:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> this "someone" guy is already doing so many patches, i doubt you can put any more load on him 23:59:25 <dihedral> ^^