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01:27:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15579 /3rdparty/: [3rdparty] -Cleanup: svn:externalising heavily modified third party components with an unstable API doesn't work 01:33:05 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 01:45:08 <Rubidium> someone failed at counting sheep it seems ;) 02:00:21 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177232161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 02:01:54 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:02:03 <thingwath> in times of crisis, there are not enough sheeps to count... 02:07:52 *** Zorn [~zorn@g224109187.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:45:47 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet686.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:49:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.124.190] has quit [Quit: tuiQ] 02:55:02 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 03:08:52 *** TinoDidriksen 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Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:11 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has joined #openttd 07:57:26 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has joined #openttd 07:58:03 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has joined #openttd 08:04:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:33 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:18 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:00 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust620.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:16:50 <planetmaker> good morning 08:17:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has joined #openttd 08:18:34 <dihedral> sir! 08:18:36 <dihedral> ;-) 08:19:08 <Forked> greetings 08:21:55 <dihedral> on friday all doom related channels will be removed from oftc \o/ :-P 08:22:14 <planetmaker> he... 08:22:44 <dihedral> oftc claims that the few doom related channels have a higher support-time than the entire network together :-P 08:22:57 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has joined #openttd 08:23:51 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has joined #openttd 08:30:30 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:10 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:55 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:12 *** mode/#openttd [+b mortal`!*@*] by petern 08:34:17 *** mode/#openttd [+b mortal``!*@*] by petern 08:34:43 <Forked> why thank you, sir 08:35:27 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-work 08:41:00 <petern> what's the reason for r15579? 08:41:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:41:41 <petern> it breaks everyone's check out :D 08:42:20 <Rubidium> prevents people from committing to the wrong place 08:42:42 <Rubidium> and 15578 equally well breaks your check out 08:52:36 <petern> er 08:52:48 <petern> that's the one i meant :o 08:54:16 <Rubidium> that's so it's still possible to make bugfixes to the stable branches and it's much easier with svn up and 'normal' branches 08:54:52 <Rubidium> and those hg/git people don't complain every few hours that they had to manually update the squirrel dir 08:54:58 <petern> hehe 08:55:09 <Rubidium> hmm... interesting... copy paste CAN cause desyncs 08:55:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179053100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:33 <petern> ! 08:56:42 <Rubidium> as in 'exclamation mark' or as in 'not'? 09:01:07 <Rubidium> petern: any idea what FS#2662 is about? Or can't you understand him either? 09:02:15 <SmatZ> De_ghosty: is here and I reminded him about that task... 09:03:13 <Rubidium> SmatZ: so did I days ago, still no reaction 09:09:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:13:33 <petern> more of a ?! 09:14:01 <petern> "signal block does not change" 09:14:07 <petern> that's not a bug report 09:14:39 <petern> i am not faffing around with grfs and savegames if the 'report' is so vague 09:16:47 <dihedral> @fs 2662 09:16:47 <DorpsGek> dihedral: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2662 09:21:34 <petern> hmm, so many people don't bother removing their account setups after they're cancelled 09:23:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:56 <Timitry> Hm, anyone by any chance knows in which tr... file the signals are? 09:25:17 <Timitry> *trg##.grf 09:25:24 <Timitry> The standard signals 09:25:44 <petern> yes, i do 09:25:59 <Timitry> And would you be so kind to tell me? ;-) 09:28:28 <Timitry> Hm, well, the OpenTTDw.grf has most if not all of them... 09:28:56 <petern> the original game only has one type of signal 09:29:19 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.232] has joined #openttd 09:52:58 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016e65abad7.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:57:22 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179053100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:04:55 <dihedral> burp 10:07:23 <SmatZ> *cough* 10:14:57 <petern> what's up? 10:16:00 * dihedral pats SmatZ .... (that rhymes) .... on the back 10:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> "if the only tool you have is a poet's mind, every sentence looks like a rhyme" 10:19:19 <petern> ? 10:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> nevermind ;) 10:19:46 <dihedral> i think petern is confuddled 10:23:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:23:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:52 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 10:50:29 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad00e83.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:50:29 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00e83.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:30 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 10:57:46 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 11:26:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:57 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:01:20 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 12:09:20 *** Firzen [~chatzilla@dslb-088-069-232-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:13:14 <Firzen> Hi all. I wanted to translate some wiki articles into german and don't really know how to link the translated site to the original one. Wikipedia uses links like [[de:link]] but OpenTTD:Manual_of_style says I should use Translation:title_(de). May anyone enlighten me? :D 12:25:15 <planetmaker> good question actually :) 12:26:03 <planetmaker> You might try out both and see which is linked to or re-directed to, if you use the usual localized link, though. 12:26:21 <planetmaker> Maybe Rubidium knows the answer though :) 12:26:24 <MrFrans> yea, just try the one in the manual. 12:26:44 <MrFrans> it should create the link to page where the translation should be. 12:27:04 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad103d1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:04 *** bleepy is now known as Guest390 12:27:04 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 12:27:39 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: I can get k-lined whenever I want!] 12:28:08 <planetmaker> hm... seems to re-direct to the English one :P 12:30:20 <MrFrans> Maybe check other translated pages and see how those are linked to. 12:30:38 <MrFrans> and what the title should be. 12:30:49 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 12:31:47 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-214-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:03 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-202-130.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:32 <Firzen> I'll try [[de:title]] and then see... I noticed that this will be displayed if the link does not exist but seems to not appear if the link exists (in preview) so maybe it'll work. 12:32:37 <dihedral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ 12:32:40 <dihedral> hehe 12:33:08 <dihedral> can you perhaps find out who wrote the instructions on the translation thingy 12:33:12 <Firzen> And btw there is no translation anywhere actually, is it? 12:33:13 <dihedral> and perhaps contact that person 12:33:34 *** Guest390 [bleepy@5ad00e83.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:33:35 <dihedral> it does not make sense to do it different if all languages follow a certain way, and there might be a valid reason for the difference 12:34:26 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad3487c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:34:26 *** bleepy is now known as Guest392 12:34:27 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 12:34:42 <Firzen> Yeah. But i wonder if I shoul do things like Translation:OpenTTD:title then for OpenTTD: pages... 12:35:03 <Firzen> should* 12:37:51 <MrFrans> fyi: Airplane Crash near amsterdam. http://twurl.nl/2iczdn 12:41:06 *** Guest392 [bleepy@5ad103d1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:44 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3487c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.38.176] has joined #openttd 12:50:23 <planetmaker> [13:33] <Firzen> And btw there is no translation anywhere actually, is it? <-- not that I'm aware of. Unfortunately. 12:50:47 <planetmaker> Given some questions in especially the German forum a "rtfw" would be nice sometimes :) 12:51:15 <Firzen> rtfw? 12:51:31 <MrFrans> read the fucking wiki, i think. 12:51:45 <Firzen> Ah xD 12:51:47 <MrFrans> instead of rtfm anual. 12:52:14 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad456ac.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:16 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 12:52:26 <planetmaker> yeah :) 12:53:35 <Firzen> A GRF is just a change of some graphics and no object addition, isn't it? 12:53:45 <Firzen> Or did I get that wrong... 12:53:45 <planetmaker> uhm... 12:53:47 <MrFrans> can be both. 12:53:52 <planetmaker> what's a "object addition"? 12:54:00 <Firzen> A new object. 12:54:04 <Firzen> In the game. 12:54:04 <MrFrans> a new train. 12:54:09 <Firzen> e.g. 12:54:13 <planetmaker> yeah. can be. 12:54:19 <planetmaker> It can also be neither. 12:54:29 <planetmaker> It can be just that e.g. power plants learn to close down 12:54:32 <Firzen> Because I'd really like to add some industries. 12:54:58 <planetmaker> or it can be that bridges cost 64 as much as usual 12:55:13 <Firzen> So GRF is something like a general Add-On 12:55:16 <planetmaker> or it can be that the silicon and wood bridge switch their images. 12:55:19 <planetmaker> Yes. 12:55:27 <Firzen> OK. 12:55:29 <MrFrans> Yea, planetmaker I'm thinking newgrf button in the game, should be called addons. So people who aren't part of dev community can understand what it means. 12:55:43 * MrFrans should probably post that on the forum. 12:55:50 <planetmaker> I introduced in the German ingame strings the word "Erweiterung" for anything like newGRF, AIs... 12:55:53 <Firzen> What do GRF mean btw? 12:56:01 <planetmaker> grf. graphics 12:56:07 <planetmaker> but... it's an ancient name 12:56:10 <planetmaker> it's just grf 12:56:16 <planetmaker> graphics resource file 12:56:21 <MrFrans> erweiterung is expansion, right? 12:56:25 <planetmaker> yes 12:56:26 * MrFrans is dutch 12:56:47 <Firzen> But "Graphics" misses the point, doesn't it? 12:56:49 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:51 <MrFrans> yes 12:57:07 <planetmaker> well, yes 12:57:08 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@silver.liacs.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Darkvater] by ChanServ 12:57:14 <planetmaker> grf = graphics resource file 12:57:31 <planetmaker> so... adding new properties to existing graphics is a valid option, too 12:57:49 <planetmaker> or changing. 12:57:59 <Firzen> You could now just pretend it's not your fault and define it as "GameaddonResourceFile" :P 12:58:12 <planetmaker> Generic ;) 12:58:20 <planetmaker> General 12:58:22 <MrFrans> it basically also tells what a graphic can do. If you see the graphic as a object. 12:58:33 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:34 <planetmaker> sort-of 12:58:53 <Firzen> Though this game just contains graphics <.< 12:59:07 <planetmaker> ...? 12:59:36 <Firzen> No 3D models or collisions like in 3D games 12:59:48 <Firzen> Only oldschool 2D graphics ^^ 12:59:59 <Firzen> Located so that they look like a world. 13:00:11 <planetmaker> The result is what matters 13:00:20 <Firzen> It's unique. 13:00:22 <Firzen> Still. 13:00:38 <Firzen> Though there is this LocoMotion. 13:00:47 <MrFrans> which is also 2d 13:00:48 <planetmaker> then play Locomotion or TransportEmpire 13:01:00 <planetmaker> or whatever. I didn't look at any :P 13:01:25 <MrFrans> transport empire isn't a playable game yet, is it? 13:01:33 <planetmaker> dunno. Might be :) 13:01:43 <Firzen> 3D xD 13:01:44 <planetmaker> but probably not :P 13:01:47 <MrFrans> yea 13:02:18 <planetmaker> what would you gain by 3D? Not much. And loose 100% performance. 13:02:34 <Firzen> But TTD is very comprehensive. Will take very long time to remake this. 13:03:05 <Firzen> 360°-view :P 13:03:35 <MrFrans> Yea. 13:03:41 <MrFrans> Mostly the models. 13:03:50 <Firzen> Plus x and y axis rotation and free zoom. 13:03:53 <planetmaker> With the introduction of the advanced and selectively invisibility features the need to rotate the map in order to see whether you can build X there or not also vanished completely 13:04:23 * MrFrans nods 13:04:55 <planetmaker> You don't need 3D-models for free zoom. You just need vector graphics 13:04:59 <Firzen> If all ppl would think like planetmaker the computer research would have stopped 20 years ago and we'ld use DOS ^^ 13:05:11 <planetmaker> Firzen: no. 13:05:35 <MrFrans> true for about the zoom. 13:05:36 <planetmaker> But there are things which don't make sense within a certain framwork 13:05:43 <planetmaker> +e 13:05:51 <Firzen> Vector textures? :o 13:06:18 <Firzen> Shame on me this game consists of textures xD 13:07:05 <MrFrans> basically it is graphice that scales to higher resolution when you zoom in. I believe it does this, by describing the graphic mathimatically. 13:07:06 <Firzen> Games are more successfull the more they imitate the reality. 13:07:16 <MrFrans> hah. 13:07:47 <MrFrans> you mean the more they imitate movie reality. 13:07:58 <Firzen> Yeah. 13:08:00 <MrFrans> which does not equal reality, 13:08:20 <Firzen> In case of TTD the real reality 13:08:43 <Firzen> I never saw a film about TTD xD 13:10:05 <MrFrans> Most games don't equal reality, they just have prettier pictures. I wish life had so much bloom as games nowadays have. 13:11:07 <MrFrans> "We make the world dark and dirtier because that is real" "Now it looks depressing, let's at glow and bloom" "Oh pretty" "More!" "More!" 13:11:15 <planetmaker> realistic (what is that) doesn't mean necessarily more gaming fun 13:11:26 <MrFrans> exactly planetmaker 13:11:53 <planetmaker> the charm of this game imo is exactly the style of the graphics and how things are handled. 13:12:17 <Firzen> I like the Multi-Window Feature ^^ 13:12:19 <planetmaker> adjusting it to some kind of 3d locomotion-like graphics is... a depressing thought 13:12:37 <planetmaker> (from what I see in the screeshots 13:13:14 <Firzen> Yeah these 3D worlds don't look serious and not realistic. 13:13:25 <Firzen> More like plastic. 13:13:33 <planetmaker> cheap one at that 13:15:24 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 13:15:57 <Firzen> Is there an option how much subventions are offered per annum/month/whatever? 13:16:21 <planetmaker> not afaik. 13:16:28 <planetmaker> They're useless anyway :P 13:16:51 <Firzen> The subventions? 13:16:54 <planetmaker> sure 13:17:04 <planetmaker> going for them is IMO a waste of money and time 13:17:10 <planetmaker> I never look for or at them 13:17:30 <Firzen> Yes, but I take them as missions to not have to be creative. 13:17:31 <planetmaker> there are always more profitable projects without subsidies. 13:17:55 <Firzen> Yeah 13:17:59 <planetmaker> even then. Pick two random industries which can exchange cargo and you're most likely better off 13:18:33 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:18:39 <Firzen> It's too simple to get rich. 13:19:08 <planetmaker> start with less loan, high interest, very early and increased costs 13:19:15 <MrFrans> http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 13:19:20 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:19:33 <Firzen> Sounds like a possible solution planet ^^ 13:19:43 <planetmaker> starting 1970 with 1M loan and low interest and normal costs is... indeed no challange money-wise. 13:19:47 * Firzen forgot that he plays always as easy as possible. 13:20:08 <planetmaker> two airports, two planes and an annual income of 1 million is at least guaranteed. 13:20:16 <Firzen> Yeah. 13:20:34 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has quit [] 13:20:40 <MrFrans> locomotion isn't all that different planetmaker. it has just a few more rotations for the trains. how it looks depends on the graphics developer. 13:20:51 <planetmaker> though felicitus' new train AI was more successfull with his train route :) 13:20:54 <Firzen> Is the Multiplayer from Open TTD or is it a native TTD Feature? 13:21:09 <planetmaker> I *think* OpenTTD. 13:21:18 <Firzen> I like this MP. 13:21:20 <Firzen> <3 13:21:51 <Firzen> Though I don't get how to setup a custom server, 13:21:53 <Firzen> ,=. 13:22:39 <blathijs> Firzen: TTD had multiplayer, but only two-player IIRC 13:22:48 <blathijs> Firzen: OpenTTD's multiplayer is completely rewritten 13:22:48 <planetmaker> just start your game as multiplayer and select to run the server :) 13:22:53 <planetmaker> or run it with openttd -D 13:24:47 <Firzen> Will the companies be deleted after an amount of time if they don't get under 0 $? 13:25:22 <planetmaker> yes. 13:25:38 <planetmaker> four consecutive quarters below 0$ 13:25:48 <planetmaker> (always the 1st day of the quarter counts only) 13:26:03 <Firzen> and above 0$? 13:26:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 13:27:41 <planetmaker> why should they? 13:28:01 <planetmaker> oh, you're so poor. I've pitty. I'll shoot you? 13:28:51 <Firzen> I mean if a company has no players and runs on a root server 13:29:11 <Firzen> Will it survive? 13:29:19 <Rubidium> depends on the settings 13:29:20 <Firzen> If it has a positive income 13:29:44 <planetmaker> depends upon config. 13:30:01 <Firzen> k. I think it's all set up in this cfg file that's described on the wiki!? 13:30:18 <planetmaker> yes/always after n months/only without password after n months 13:30:49 <planetmaker> I guess 13:30:57 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 13:31:24 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 13:32:29 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:39 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 13:37:40 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 13:46:03 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad456ac.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:03 *** bleepy is now known as Guest409 13:46:03 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 13:46:25 *** Guest409 [bleepy@5ad456ac.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:20 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 14:18:41 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177142254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:19:20 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177142254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 14:19:52 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177142254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:23:14 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 14:24:45 <Brokkoli> hi 14:24:49 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:24:57 <Brokkoli> is anyone here who can halp me with newgrfs? 14:25:05 <Brokkoli> is have a question for tihs line: 14:25:06 <Brokkoli> 53 * 14 02 02 0C 81 86 00 FF 01 0B 00 00 00 00 00 14:25:28 <Brokkoli> what is "var 86" i cannot find it out.. 14:26:22 <petern> VarAction2Vehicles 14:26:22 <petern> Variational Action 2 Variables for Vehicles print 14:26:22 <petern> history 14:26:22 <petern> NewGraphicsSpecs -> GRFActionsDetailed -> Action2 -> VariationalAction2 -> VarAction2Vehicles 14:26:26 <petern> << VarAction2Advanced VariationalAction2 VarAction2Stations >> 14:26:28 <petern> Variational Action 2 Variables for Vehicles 14:26:31 <petern> * Variational Action 2 Variables for Vehicles 14:26:31 <Brokkoli> yes 14:26:33 <petern> o Position and length (40, 41) 14:26:35 <Brokkoli> so here 14:26:36 <Brokkoli> http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html#_VehicleArray 14:26:36 <petern> o Consist cargo (42) 14:26:38 <petern> o Player info (43) 14:26:41 <petern> o Aircraft info (44) 14:26:43 <petern> o Curvature info (45) 14:26:46 <petern> o Motion counter (46) 14:26:48 <petern> o Vehicle cargo info (47) 14:26:51 <petern> o Vehicle type information (48) 14:26:53 <petern> o Count Veh.ID occurence (60) 14:26:56 <petern> o Modflags (FE and FF) 14:26:58 <petern> Variable Size Content 14:27:01 <petern> 40 D Position in consist and length of consist 14:27:03 <petern> 41 D Position in and length of chain of consecutive vehicles with same ID 14:27:06 <petern> 42 D Cargo types transported by consist 14:27:08 <petern> 43 * D Player info 14:27:11 <petern> 44 D Aircraft info 14:27:13 <petern> 45 D Curvature info 14:27:16 <petern> 46 D Motion counter 14:27:19 <petern> 47 D Vehicle cargo info 14:27:21 <petern> 48 * D Vehicle type information 14:27:24 <petern> 49 a D Year of construction (long format, 0 based) 14:27:26 <petern> 60 D Count Veh.ID occurence 14:27:29 <petern> 97 B Tick counter, increased every engine tick 14:27:31 <petern> B4 W Current speed (note, units different for each vehicle type) 14:27:34 <petern> B9 B Cargo type (type B from the list at CargoTypes; climate dependent) 14:27:36 <petern> C0 W Vehicle age in days (not valid for wagons bought before alpha 61) 14:27:39 <petern> C4 B Year built (counted from 1920), note this is modified when Cht: Year is used 14:27:42 <petern> C6 W Vehicle type ID (useful for Callback 1D) 14:27:44 <petern> C8 B Sprite type; FD for trains forward, FE or FF when reversed 14:27:47 <petern> C9 B Day counter; increased daily 14:27:49 <petern> wtf 14:27:52 <petern> that is *not* the bit i selected :( 14:27:54 <petern> and irssi didn't prompt either :( 14:28:04 <petern> sorry about that 14:28:05 <petern> right 14:28:05 <KenjiE20> lol 14:28:13 <Brokkoli> *g* 14:28:16 <Brokkoli> but what now? 14:28:18 <petern> yes, when you get to the ttd locations bit, you need to subtract 0x80 from the variable 14:28:20 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:27 <Brokkoli> is it this: 06 L Pointer to the schedule string (see location 01C18), FFFFFFFF if N/A 14:28:32 <Brokkoli> ok 14:28:49 <petern> whatever a schedule strnig is... 14:28:52 <Brokkoli> makes no sense to me 14:28:57 <Brokkoli> yes... i dont know 14:29:13 <Brokkoli> and dont know why someone wohul check it there 14:29:42 <Brokkoli> and compare a byte of it to 0 14:29:44 <petern> is it definitely for a vehcile? 14:29:49 <Brokkoli> since its a pointer it can be anything 14:30:01 <Brokkoli> i got that from decompiling a grf 14:30:18 <Brokkoli> 02 should be a vehicle as i think 14:30:35 <Brokkoli> ah ship 14:30:54 <petern> 02 is yes, but it's possible it's misfeatured, although i think that is disallowed now 14:31:13 <petern> if the feature of the action 3 is also 02, then it's ship, yes 14:31:29 <petern> and if someone tests var 0x86 in ottd, it won't work :D 14:31:36 <petern> what grf is it? 14:31:38 <Brokkoli> how can i check that? 14:31:47 <Brokkoli> the nshp_ecs.grf 14:31:51 <petern> follow the action 2 forward 14:32:06 <Brokkoli> last lines are 14:32:07 <Brokkoli> 53 * 14 02 02 0C 81 86 00 FF 01 0B 00 00 00 00 00 14:32:07 <Brokkoli> 54 * 14 02 02 0D 81 0C 00 FF 01 0C 00 18 18 00 00 14:32:07 <Brokkoli> 55 * 6 03 02 00 00 0D 00 14:33:07 <petern> callback 18 14:33:24 <petern> AI construction hmm 14:34:16 <petern> in that case it's special 14:34:20 <petern> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#AI_construction_purchase_selection_18_ 14:34:36 <Brokkoli> ok thanks 14:34:41 <Brokkoli> so its 14:34:42 <Brokkoli> 86 B AI construction event 14:34:43 <petern> but 14:34:54 <petern> callback 18 is not done through feature 2... 14:34:57 <petern> hm 14:35:09 <petern> or perhaps the feature does not matter in that case 14:37:05 <Brokkoli> hm 14:37:45 <Brokkoli> but thanks it helped me a lot 14:46:33 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:47:56 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 14:49:01 <Brokkoli> does the new openttd ai use that at all? 14:50:11 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@idefix.timohummel.com] has joined #openttd 14:50:14 <Felicitus> howdy 14:50:15 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:50:58 <Felicitus> hmm, i just transported 450.000 liters of water over a distance of 1000 squares in about 250 days - but i only got an income of 112k :( 14:51:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.175.131] has joined #openttd 14:52:57 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 14:53:30 <Felicitus> is the time factor relative to the distance or is it separate? 14:53:42 <Brokkoli> should be relative 14:54:19 <Felicitus> hmm, then i dont understand why it is only 112k 14:54:38 <Felicitus> when i calculate it manually, it should be over one million 14:55:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:36 *** pleeby [bleepy@5adad483.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:36 *** bleepy is now known as Guest431 14:55:36 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 14:56:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.175.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:48 <Brokkoli> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Cargo_income 14:56:56 <planetmaker> hey Felicitus :) 14:57:04 <Brokkoli> not relative 14:57:36 <planetmaker> Felicitus: the first water arrived at the station way before the train left. The generation time of the water counts afaik 14:58:02 <planetmaker> but most likely that doesn't suffice to explain the difference. 14:58:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:13 <dihedral> oi 14:58:19 <dihedral> rosenkohl! 14:58:28 <planetmaker> yummi ;) 14:58:28 <Brokkoli> huch 14:58:35 <Belugas> Felicitus, have you checked the source code when doing your manual calculation? 14:59:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:21 <Felicitus> Belugas: yes 14:59:30 <Felicitus> but maybe i've overlooked something 14:59:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.131] has joined #openttd 14:59:57 <Felicitus> planetmaker: yes, i know that, the second train only made 160k even tough it left immediately 15:00:11 <planetmaker> k :) 15:00:17 <Felicitus> maybe the max days of the cargo is not depending on the distance 15:00:37 <planetmaker> uhm... no, it isn't afaik. 15:00:46 <Brokkoli> no its not 15:00:54 <Felicitus> hmm that would explain it 15:01:03 <Brokkoli> it thats correct: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Cargo_income 15:01:03 <Felicitus> so every day counts once i'm over the late days variable 15:01:45 <Felicitus> ok, so if i make that distance in less than 80 days i would theretically get the full amount 15:02:04 <planetmaker> if you teleport, you'd get even more :P 15:02:06 *** Guest431 [bleepy@5ad456ac.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:21 <Brokkoli> less than 20 days i think 15:03:11 <Brokkoli> and when its over 20+80 days, time doesn't matter anymore 15:03:32 <Brokkoli> last was wrong 15:03:54 <Brokkoli> of cause it matters 15:08:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.131] has joined #openttd 15:09:00 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 15:11:20 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:30 <Felicitus> hmm next time i'll stick with something where max_days are 255 15:19:07 <planetmaker> :P 15:19:37 <planetmaker> the AI is anyway making huge ass money with the trains, choosing good routes 15:20:18 <planetmaker> definitely more profitable than AdmiralAI with rails:) 15:22:19 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:25:43 <Felicitus> thanks :) 15:25:56 <Felicitus> but i guess it will fail if the routes are too long (just as me :)) 15:28:09 <planetmaker> hm... maybe that's what the problem was when I tested it yesterday. It didn't get beyond the first rail line. 15:28:17 <planetmaker> it is a 256 x 1024 map 15:28:31 <planetmaker> you find it in the forums 15:30:01 <planetmaker> it just collected money but the only KI debug output which continued to get added occasionally was related to the not implemented save function 15:30:30 <Firzen> BtW what about the Trams? Can't build trails for them... 15:31:13 <planetmaker> Firzen: you need a tram grf... 15:31:32 <Firzen> Oo k 15:31:56 <Firzen> Why aren't they included by default like electric trails? 15:31:57 <planetmaker> also, it's a road type (accessible similar to different rail types) 15:32:16 <planetmaker> the images are. But no vehicles. So no point making them available 15:32:55 <Firzen> I see... 15:38:56 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:39:26 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:06 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 15:51:34 <Brokkoli> Firzen: i would use egrvts.grf for trams 15:51:47 <Brokkoli> thats a good collection there 15:52:02 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@87-194-158-108.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:52:08 <Brokkoli> and its in the content downloader 15:52:23 <Firzen> k thx 15:52:45 <planetmaker> indeed. It's currently one of the best vehicle sets around 15:54:27 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:54:31 <planetmaker> and it's afaik the only one which allows you to reasonably play from ~1870 onwards 15:55:02 <KingJ> I always start around 1980 or later, I hate slow transport 15:55:23 <Brokkoli> i start 1855 most times :D 15:55:49 <Brokkoli> sadly no streamship-set exists 15:55:58 <Brokkoli> or i dont know any 15:56:08 <Forked> Spanish Galleon 16:00:23 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad483.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:27 *** bleepy [bleepy@5adad483.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:08 *** pleeby [bleepy@5ad87cee.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:08 *** bleepy is now known as Guest455 16:05:08 *** pleeby is now known as bleepy 16:05:52 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet736.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:06:58 <PierreW> firzen is like furzen. its just one key away. </being_a_stupid_german> 16:07:57 <Firzen> Unfortunately 16:11:31 *** Guest455 [bleepy@5adad483.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff08a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:25:05 *** AmixE90 [~AmixE@ggsn-pool0x51-150.networknorway.no] has joined #openttd 16:25:12 <AmixE90> Hi 16:26:07 <AmixE90> What do you think of Kurts servers? 16:30:30 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28DBD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:05 <Belugas> kurts has a big mouth :) 16:32:55 <AmixE90> Any plans for next release? 16:37:52 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0BED0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:25 <frosch123> yes, remove support for human players 16:42:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:43:30 <AmixE90> Ahh, so that you have to get a MorphOS based PPC machine to play :) 16:43:56 <Belugas> [11:41] <frosch123> yes, remove support for human players <--- YES YESYYES!!!! 16:45:37 <AmixE90> Cats instead? 16:45:59 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:46:16 <Brokkoli> apes 16:46:31 <Belugas> openttd already support apes... 16:46:47 <AmixE90> Planet of the apes? 16:50:39 <Rubidium> AmixE90: which one? 16:52:55 *** ecke [~ecke@pc151-234.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:01:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15580 /trunk/src/network/network_content.cpp: -Fix [FS#2684]: last activity time not properly updated causing downloads to be aborted after a minute. 17:03:41 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 17:08:46 <AmixE90> Rubidium: all of them 17:08:58 <AmixE90> :) 17:12:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:50 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm138.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 17:16:51 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm138.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:01 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 17:27:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F712.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:41 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:32:27 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177224186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:36 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:39 <Swallow> If rail type A is compatible with rail type B, is B then also guaranteed to be compatible with A? 17:36:03 <Sacro> no 17:37:22 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:37:31 <KingJ> Normal and electrified rails as a good example of non-backwards compatibility 17:38:13 <Swallow> electric is compatible with normal v.v. 17:38:19 <frosch123> compatible != powered 17:39:29 <KingJ> Oh, oops 17:42:56 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:46:22 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:04 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:41 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-202-130.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:18 *** LUADuck [~luaduck@79-72-144-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:52:53 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 17:56:30 <Swallow> I added an FS task, although fixing it is currently unneeded: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2685 18:00:55 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:59 <petern> well it's closed :p 18:03:33 *** AmixE90 [~AmixE@ggsn-pool0x51-150.networknorway.no] has quit [Quit: La mour De Morph] 18:03:34 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-30-34.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:37 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:57 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 18:07:02 <Belugas> ooooops... 18:07:43 <Belugas> was on a conference call, was getting bored, gone through the "news" and... bang! 18:07:46 <Belugas> closed it :) 18:07:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE77.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:09:04 <Forked> but you're less bored now? :) 18:09:45 <Belugas> not really... Vadim is still around, playuing with my nerves ;) 18:10:01 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-30-34.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:38 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:17:41 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:42 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:21 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 18:19:00 <Brokkoli> is the mapgenerator bug in the beta known? when having no water at the borders in tropic climate there i green land at the borders 18:19:05 <Brokkoli> looks a bit strange 18:19:46 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:51 <Brokkoli> not an important bug, though ;) 18:20:11 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:28 <frosch123> post it to bugs.openttd.org :) 18:22:23 <Yexo> Brokkoli: is the land at all borders completely green? 18:22:24 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:37 <Yexo> here it's green at some places and desert at others 18:23:47 <Brokkoli> yes sometimes it's desert 18:23:51 <Brokkoli> but too much green 18:24:14 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:30 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 18:30:59 <energetic> @seen Felicitus 18:30:59 <DorpsGek> energetic: Felicitus was last seen in #openttd 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Felicitus> but i guess it will fail if the routes are too long (just as me :)) 18:32:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:32:52 <Belugas> My opinion : not a bug. Random assignation 18:33:46 <Yexo> I'm not so sure, he's right that there is a bit too much green 18:33:53 <Yexo> more than 'random' would explain 18:33:54 <frosch123> Half-Desert is decided by checking the neighboured tiles, how does it deal with MP_VOID ? 18:34:07 <Yexo> no special at all 18:34:08 <Yexo> iirc 18:34:16 <Yexo> bu tI have to go now 18:34:27 <frosch123> so a TropicZone is also generated for MP_VOID tiles? 18:34:51 <energetic> oh, only 7581 errors when compiling 18:35:11 <Brokkoli> maybe thats the reason 18:35:56 <Brokkoli> on my servers current map there is no desert at the borders at all.. all green 18:37:04 <Brokkoli> some generated maps have desert at the borders 18:37:11 <Brokkoli> but only some 18:41:18 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15581 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-25 18:44:53 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 7 changed by Ludslad (7) 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 3 fixed by arnaullv (3) 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 3 fixed by Hadez (3) 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 12 fixed, 13 changed by ThomasA (25) 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 fixed by habell (3) 18:45:59 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@87-194-158-108.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:46:40 <frosch123> TropicZone generation looks fine, and also when I generate a map I cannot see any special green tiles 18:47:00 <frosch123> there is both desert, half-desert and green land at all borders 18:47:16 <frosch123> s/both/everything/ 18:47:29 <Brokkoli> maybe have a look at my server 18:47:56 <Brokkoli> stne openttd is the name 18:48:02 <frosch123> meh, then I would have to install beta1 18:48:05 <Brokkoli> ok 18:48:21 <Brokkoli> i could save the map 18:49:54 <Brokkoli> or maybe the bug isnt in the nightlys? 18:50:13 * frosch123 compiles beta1 18:50:43 <Brokkoli> i will show you a screenshot 18:51:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:25 <Brokkoli> http://einniemand.dyndns.org/openttd/greenedges.jpg 18:52:09 <Brokkoli> too much green i think ;) 18:52:13 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm138.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:03 <frosch123> hehe, those sharp borders look weird 18:53:15 <Brokkoli> they do 18:53:30 <frosch123> btw. you can do .png screenshots with ctrl-s 18:54:14 <Brokkoli> yes i forgot ;) 18:58:38 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 18:59:05 <frosch123> found the problem: desert is not generated next to water, and the water check wraps around the map 18:59:31 <frosch123> also present in trunk 18:59:36 <Brokkoli> ok 19:00:02 <frosch123> you always have those green borders, if there is water on the opposite side :) 19:00:27 <Brokkoli> ah 19:00:33 <Brokkoli> yes i had 2 warter borders 19:00:35 <Brokkoli> -r 19:00:44 <Brokkoli> and 2 non water.. so it's clear ;) 19:07:45 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:04 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:35:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:40:45 *** Firzen [~chatzilla@dslb-088-069-232-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 19:41:06 *** goodger [~ben@host81-155-192-33.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Channel Error +++] 19:56:56 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:38 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177231113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:20 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 20:15:57 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177224186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:21:40 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:22:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:33:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet736.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:53 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:44:22 <Felicitus> hmm, is there a maximum of goods a factory can produce? seems to stuck at something like 2k crates, no matter how much stuff i feed into it 20:45:18 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:45:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-158-229.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:46:05 <Felicitus> ah okay forget the question 20:46:10 <Felicitus> its now up to 3k :D 20:50:13 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 20:56:14 <Felicitus> wheeee 4k crates 20:59:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 21:01:33 <Felicitus> is it crazy to have an 8 track main line to deliver goods? 21:02:20 <Prof_Frink> Depends. If there's a one-track bottleneck then yes. 21:02:51 <SmatZ> Felicitus: around 25k crates 21:03:51 <Felicitus> SmatZ: okay, that will take a while to break that limit 21:04:21 <Felicitus> Prof_Frink: well, i started out with a regular 2 track and the problem was, that everything got stuck because of breakdowns...so i expanded to 4, then to 8 21:04:26 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:52 <Felicitus> so right now, the 4 tracks on each side are independent of each other...i wonder if that will change with pbs 21:05:55 <welshdragon> Felicitus: got any screenies? 21:06:01 <Felicitus> welshdragon: i can make one 21:06:45 <Prof_Frink> 8 tracks and no pbs? Ouch. 21:06:58 <Felicitus> Prof_Frink: 0.6.3 multiplayer 21:07:05 <Felicitus> but the tracks aren't connected to each other 21:07:37 * welshdragon can't wait for 0.7.0 multiplayer 21:07:41 <welshdragon> pbs! 21:09:07 <Felicitus> i still have to learn pbs for the AI 21:11:27 <Felicitus> welshdragon: http://www.timohummel.com/ttd/ 21:14:57 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:21:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15582 /trunk/src/ (landscape.cpp landscape.h): -Cleanup: Remove unused function AdjustTileCoordRandomly(). Btw. it would also cause desyncs and wrap around the map. 21:27:21 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:30 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177231113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 21:27:56 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:33 <Noldo> nice "btw" 21:28:56 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15583 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Fix: Do not use TILE_MASK when you do not want to wrap around them map. 21:30:07 <frosch123> old ai stuff :) 21:30:41 <Felicitus> ;) 21:30:48 <Felicitus> Yexo: are you here? 21:44:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff08a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15584 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Move several variables from variables.h to more appropriate headers. 21:47:04 <Yexo> Felicitus: yes :) 21:47:29 <Yexo> missed the highlight for some reason 21:50:55 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:51:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15585 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp map_func.h town_cmd.cpp unmovable_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Remove TILE_ASSERT and replace all instances with assert(tile < MapSize()). 21:53:13 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 21:57:37 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:54 <Felicitus> Yexo: is there an API call to find out if a train is dual headed? 21:58:07 <Yexo> no, and there won't be one either 21:58:16 <Yexo> apart from dualheaded, a train can also be articulated 21:58:23 <Felicitus> whats articulated? 21:58:33 <Yexo> consisting of multiple parts 21:58:39 <Felicitus> ah okay 21:58:49 <Felicitus> so i have to build the engine and then get the train length? 21:58:57 <Yexo> and you're not interested if it's articulated or dual-headed, you're interested in the length of the engine, right? 21:59:03 <Felicitus> right 21:59:17 <Yexo> the length of the train is only available (even to openttd) after the engine is bought 21:59:17 <Felicitus> because sometimes, it builds a turner turbo and then the train is one waggon too long 21:59:46 <Yexo> the way I solved that in admiralai: buy the engine, add wagons untill the entire train is just too long, then sell the last wagon again 22:00:15 <Felicitus> i guess i will do it the same way 22:00:31 <Yexo> some newgrfs also have wagons that are shorter then the default wagons, and in those cases you want to buy more wagons to get the same train length 22:00:37 <Yexo> to just checking the lenght of the engine isn't enough 22:01:27 <Felicitus> yes i noticed that in another gam 22:01:28 <Felicitus> e 22:03:09 <Yexo> petern: imo it'd be better to disable the whole base graphics set dropdown in the game, not only disable all entries 22:03:16 <Yexo> that way it's directly visible you can't change it 22:04:19 <Ammler> why isn't that possible? 22:04:44 <Yexo> Ammler: are you talking about the train length? 22:04:50 <Yexo> that's because of newgrf callbacks 22:04:54 <Ammler> no 22:04:57 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:02 <Ammler> the base gfxs 22:05:26 <Yexo> ah, dunno exactly what the reason was you couldn't change it ingame 22:06:13 <petern> well 22:06:15 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.38.176] has joined #openttd 22:06:34 <petern> it matches the other disableable dropdown 22:06:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.38.176] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:35 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 22:07:02 <Yexo> hmm, you're right 22:07:51 <Felicitus> okay, i'm in bed now 22:07:52 <Felicitus> good night 22:07:54 *** Felicitus [~Felicitus@idefix.timohummel.com] has quit [Quit: zzZZ] 22:10:06 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of spaces... the parameter list should work with commas, too, right? 22:13:36 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 22:14:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F712.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:14:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:42 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:20:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:32:47 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28DBD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:33:02 <Sacro_> Ahh OSX 22:34:52 <petern> Ahh Windows Vista 22:35:43 <SmatZ> Ahh Gentoo Linux 22:36:12 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 22:40:53 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 22:41:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet736.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:41:41 <Tefad> Ahh broken operating systems. 22:41:49 <Tefad> (all of them. they're all broken.) 22:42:08 <Sacro_> especially that MorphOS 22:42:35 <Belugas> Ahhhh.... HOME!! 22:42:58 <SmatZ> bye bye Belugas 22:43:26 <Belugas> bye SmatZ :) enjoy the night, as well as the silent other ones :) 22:43:32 <SmatZ> :o) 22:44:04 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:45:19 <petern> Hmm, yes, I suppose I ought to head to bed. 22:48:18 <SmatZ> night petern 22:48:41 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:54:26 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 22:54:32 *** Yexo is now known as Guest512 22:54:32 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 22:56:03 *** Sacro_ [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro_] 22:56:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 22:56:35 *** Guest512 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:12 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:05:00 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:23 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggzzz 23:09:56 *** andy` [andy@cassarossa.samfundet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:45 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:12:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:15:07 *** andy` [andy@cassarossa.samfundet.no] has joined #openttd 23:18:01 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 23:20:02 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:29:01 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:31:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179053100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 23:32:43 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:41 *** goodger [~ben@host86-158-205-163.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:08 *** wollollo [~martin@dyn1076-82.hor.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:45:27 *** goodger_ is now known as goodger 23:49:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE77.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]