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00:02:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:08:23 <taisteluorava> how i can set a goal to map, like there is 1 multiplayer game where goal is to have company value 6.00m gbp 00:09:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15825 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove the WWT_DROPDOWNIN widget type and replace it with WWT_DROPDOWN. 00:09:18 <Yexo> taisteluorava: you can't without a patch 00:09:34 <Yexo> check for example http://ottd.timohummel.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page 00:09:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:54 *** baldur [~balli@1503029300.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:08 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:13:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15826 /branches/0.7/ (46 files in 4 dirs): 00:13:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 00:13:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Update: language files 00:13:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Some (newer) GCCs have trouble compiling the Win32 specific part of fontcache.cpp; jumps across variable declarations [FS#2752] (r15818) 00:13:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: When sorting on cost do not sort on the running cost [FS#2749] (r15778) 00:15:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15827 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix (r15823): line still was a bit too long 00:19:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15828 /branches/0.7/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [0.7] -Prepare: for 0.7.0-RC2. 00:23:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15829 /tags/0.7.0-RC2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.7.0-RC2 00:28:20 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 00:28:20 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:47 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-103.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:17:19 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 01:17:19 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226131066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:52:26 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:55 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:11:24 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 02:13:44 <eMjay88> I was looking at fs#1837 and then order_gui.cpp and I saw STR_ORDER_CONDITIONAL_LOAD_PERCENTAGE, does that mean that 1837 is done or WIP? 02:16:46 <eMjay88> or is that for an order like "goto StationX if < 50% loaded"? 02:49:25 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.105.211] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 02:51:24 <Belugas> i guess you are right 02:54:36 <eMjay88> ? 02:54:54 <eMjay88> the latter? 03:01:21 <Belugas> the fact that i should be sleeping 03:01:32 <Belugas> and the fact that it seems to be done 03:03:32 <eMjay88> really? 03:03:49 <eMjay88> I don't think I've seen it in 0.6.3... 03:05:18 <Belugas> who says anytning about 0.6.3? 03:08:05 <eMjay88> no one, I've just never seen it before 03:08:26 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:27 <eMjay88> and the enum that I mentioned looked more like the goto station if x% loaded on second thought 03:08:49 <eMjay88> and that is not what the feature request is asking for :) 03:12:27 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:12:29 <Belugas> you know what? i think it does. but 1) i'm tired 2) it's a year old suggestion 3) it does not have to be exaclty what he asks 4) i frankly do not care 03:17:17 <eMjay88> I thought the request was more of a partial version of a "Full Load" command 03:17:53 <eMjay88> where a vehicle would wait until it was x% loaded (full load is the same, but where x=100) 03:18:53 <eMjay88> but it's not important, get some sleep if you're sleepy :P 03:23:15 <eMjay88> Rubidium: where was that list of doxy warnings? 03:28:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:36:03 <glx> eMjay88: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r15817/logs/general-docs-error.log <-- this? 03:36:32 <eMjay88> thats the one, thanks 03:37:05 <glx> that's the latest one, tomorrow there will another one ;) 03:37:40 <eMjay88> I can replace the r15817 with tomorrow's revision number I assume? 03:38:16 <glx> yes 03:38:25 <eMjay88> cool thanks 03:38:43 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:11 <eMjay88> I want to get involved doing things, but I don't know how the code works at this point so I'm going to try to add some documentation and hopefully in doing so I'll figure out how things work :P 03:42:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:57:54 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet698.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:58:06 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:59:04 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 04:08:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81FAB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83273.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:11:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:24:56 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:34:49 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 04:53:42 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has joined #openttd 04:53:52 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm81.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:54:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:02:38 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Quit: mikl] 05:08:31 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:15:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:20:52 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 05:26:53 <el_en> good morning, cyborgs and gentlemen 05:28:11 <goodger> good morning, el_en 05:48:29 <el_en> you're up unhumanly early 05:51:02 <goodger> firstly, it's "inhuman" 05:51:02 <goodger> secondly, I have not yet gone to sleep 05:51:02 <goodger> thirdly, so are you :P 05:52:08 <el_en> i'm on GMT+2 05:52:38 <goodger> wait 05:52:41 <goodger> daylight savings time 05:52:57 <el_en> has not begun yet. 05:53:13 <el_en> (i hope!) 05:53:21 <goodger> no, apparently it hasn't 05:53:37 <goodger> my watch matches my computer and my watch is in UTC+0 05:53:57 <goodger> I thought finland was in CEST, though 05:54:19 <goodger> oh well; you learn something new every day 05:58:18 <el_en> daylight saving time is one useless invention that causes much trouble. 05:58:28 <goodger> yes, it is 05:59:41 <goodger> *sigh* with rare exception, all beethoven sounds precisely alike 06:01:17 *** eMjay88 [~michael@60.241.9.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:35 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-17-122.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:32:26 <energetic> today i learned there is a bug in station catchment ;) 06:41:31 <Forked> coffee good. 06:41:38 * Forked sets up mingw etc all over again 06:51:57 <Forked> uh, time to get started.. should be at work in 5.. and before that the dog needs air. 06:52:00 * Forked waves 06:59:30 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:03 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177139197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:13:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F875.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:19:24 <dihedral> morning lads 07:20:31 <el_en> http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/japan.planecrash/index.html#cnnSTCVideo 07:32:39 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:53 <petern> woah 07:40:38 <petern> why did dropdownin get removed? 07:51:09 *** svip [~svip@0x53589c76.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:53:58 *** emjay88 [~emjay@CPE-60-224-51-178.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:10:10 *** emjay88 [~emjay@CPE-60-224-51-178.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:18 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:30 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: *Adios Amigos*] 08:22:40 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:31:28 *** emjay88 [~emjay@CPE-60-224-51-178.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:34:08 <planetmaker> good morning :) 08:34:25 <emjay88> good evening 08:39:20 <Forked> good old nekomaster 08:39:36 <Forked> "(...) should at least post a patched version of the win32 binary." 08:42:32 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.210] has joined #openttd 08:48:25 <DASPRiD> good morning 08:51:15 <|Japa|> yes, the morning is good 08:55:24 <planetmaker> Forked: that name just dropped off my mind and memory. Was there need to invoke bad memories? :P 08:55:39 <Forked> it's monday.. people should suffer with me! 08:55:41 <planetmaker> or is it just masochism? ;) 08:55:48 <planetmaker> oh, fair enough :P 08:56:28 <emjay88> luckily for me, monday is almost over :) 09:12:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:41:15 <DASPRiD> mondays kill fairies! 09:44:37 <Gekz> no u 09:44:41 <Gekz> buy my nintendo ds 09:44:50 <Gekz> you can play OpenTTD on it :P 09:47:47 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 09:48:40 <emjay88> does it work gekz? or is that like you can run a http server on my phone? 09:48:53 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@main.sspbrno.cz] has joined #openttd 09:49:05 <Gekz> emjay88: I've seen it work on the internet 09:49:08 <Gekz> all DSes are capable 09:49:19 <pavel1269> hello 09:49:49 <emjay88> I got it a while ago, crashed when I gave a train an order and pressed "go" 09:50:03 <emjay88> hi pavel1269 09:52:00 <planetmaker> hey pavel1269 :) 09:52:11 <pavel1269> ello mate, whassup? :-) 09:52:51 <planetmaker> I wondered why you assign your feature patch a medium priority instead of a modest low or very low :) 09:53:02 <planetmaker> (town size patch) 09:55:31 <petern> priority is useless attribute 09:55:45 <planetmaker> petern: well... depends :) 09:56:00 <planetmaker> ... mostly on how _you_ use it :P 09:56:06 <petern> as is severity 09:56:16 <planetmaker> yeah. That's how I understand it. 09:56:22 <petern> (most things george reports are, apparently, very severe.) 09:56:28 <planetmaker> hehe 09:56:38 <planetmaker> game crashes without those features, I assume ;) 09:57:20 <planetmaker> Maybe it's possible to change actually flyspray to call it severity instead of priority? 09:57:53 <petern> flyspray has *both* 09:58:51 <planetmaker> oh ... :P right. I should first check back before starting to talk :P 09:58:53 * planetmaker hides 09:59:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:59:57 <planetmaker> ^^ severity=medium, priority=high 09:59:59 <emjay88> isn't it possible that a bug is severe (causes ottd to die and takes the os with it) and yet has a low priority (too hard to fix, not possible to fix, very very hard to reproduce etc) 10:02:33 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:36 <petern> it's possible that people could not set their own reports to high priority and very severe 10:03:40 <petern> but rare :p 10:05:42 <Singaporekid> oparnttdcop 10:08:08 <Gekz> petern: you could always set it so that bug reports are all low until changed by a developer? 10:10:26 <[wito]> So I took a giant screenshot 10:10:29 <[wito]> now what do I do? 10:11:07 <pavel1269> planetmaker: why not, everyone is doing that :-P 10:12:56 <petern> Gekz, well, i can't 10:14:44 <[wito]> I mean, what does one do with this 271MB monster of a PNG file? 10:16:09 <[wito]> apart from using it to crash computers. :P 10:17:02 <emjay88> write a liitle app that lets you veiw it through a window? 10:18:50 <planetmaker> pavel1269: all flies eat shit - many flies cannot err - so let's all eat shit? 10:19:23 <pavel1269> no, oly if you are a fly :-) 10:19:41 <pavel1269> i know, what do you mena ;) 10:19:45 <pavel1269> *mean 10:19:50 <[wito]> the problem is that when the file is decompressed it's 2 gigabytes of image data. :P 10:20:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:51 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@www.siedler25.org] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 10:21:11 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:12 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24:32 * dihedral tries to set those values with respect to everything else going on 10:24:45 <dihedral> usually i note my stuff as less than default 10:26:11 *** FloSoft [sifldoer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226131066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:31:40 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE876e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:32:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83273.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 10:37:31 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@main.sspbrno.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:39 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:30 <petern> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KnYb81eQShI/ScMUAamgENI/AAAAAAAAACA/qK03jPqob2s/s1600-h/wow2.JPG < possibly old 10:44:37 <Vikthor> dihedral: Hi, Ammler told me you had issue with autopilot creating openttd zombies, I seem to have same problem, how did you solved that? 10:47:39 *** mikl [~mikl@95.209.234.29.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 10:49:22 <dihedral> kill -9 10:49:28 <petern> http://media.www.brockpress.com/media/storage/paper384/news/2004/10/26/Features/How-To.Kill.A.Zombie-781311.shtml 10:49:40 <petern> zombies can't be killed, they're already... dead 10:49:41 <dihedral> Vikthor, when do you get the zombies? 10:49:48 <Noldo> dihedral: what, it doesn't reap? 10:49:51 <DASPRiD> poor zombies! :( 10:50:04 <dihedral> petern, openttd zombies, which keeps autopilot alive 10:50:14 <SmatZ> :'-( 10:50:17 <dihedral> but you can kill autopilot with -9 which will then also kill the zombie 10:50:22 <Vikthor> When I try to exit the autopilot/openttd eg. by typing quit into console 10:50:36 <dihedral> are you running autopilot in screen? 10:50:41 <dihedral> must be 10:50:51 <Vikthor> in dtach, but that is similar 10:51:08 <dihedral> i kill -9 the pid of autopilot 10:51:12 <petern> so it's an autopilot bug 10:51:14 <petern> or tcl 10:51:30 <dihedral> petern, i dont know, whenever you watch the app in screen and exit it does not happen 10:51:42 <petern> well 10:51:47 <dihedral> to me it looks like screen exists before autopilot really exists 10:51:49 <petern> it's never the fault of a zombie process 10:51:52 <dihedral> and i have not tried it with another app 10:52:08 <dihedral> it does not happen if you run openttd in screen - that works fine 10:52:21 <Vikthor> Aha so no other solution than kill for now, thanks 10:52:32 <dihedral> nope 10:52:34 <dihedral> sorry 10:52:44 <petern> REAP what you SOW 10:52:45 <DASPRiD> zombies are innocent, their were bitten by other zombies, so please dont kill them :( 10:52:52 <dihedral> i tried a few different things 10:52:53 <DASPRiD> there is a cure! 10:53:46 <Vikthor> DASPRiD: I don't kill the zombies I kill the tcl shell, zombies perish afterwards :) 10:53:47 <dihedral> petern, for some reason, autopilot receives an eof after issuing a quit on the openttd console 10:53:53 <dihedral> but openttd is still running ^^ 10:54:00 <dihedral> well "running" rather ^^ 10:54:21 <dihedral> the fother mucking zomby parten :-P 10:54:32 <dihedral> *parent 10:54:41 <petern> and EOF from what? 10:54:47 <dihedral> openttd 10:54:57 <dihedral> autopilot start ./openttd -D 10:55:20 <dihedral> when you close the console, there is an eof on openttd's stdout 10:55:34 <dihedral> which ap picks up on 10:55:39 <dihedral> and tries to close 10:55:53 <DASPRiD> btw dihedral: http://german-bash.org/65345 10:56:04 <Noldo> why doesn't it wait for SIGCHLD? 10:56:05 <dihedral> in the case of ap running in screen (or this other app) in detached mode, it does not seem to be successful 10:56:16 <dihedral> however when you watch it (i.e. you are in the screen session) it works 10:56:34 <dihedral> Noldo, because i cannot read that with Expect ;-) 10:57:20 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Do Å¡koly, snad. Asi.] 11:00:01 <petern> you don't read it, you set up a signal handler... but never mind 11:01:11 * dihedral gives it a try 11:02:53 <dihedral> however i still doubt it'll work ^^ 11:04:15 <dihedral> catching signals requires tclx 11:04:29 <dihedral> which is not available on most systems 11:06:08 <petern> hah 11:06:55 <dihedral> i dont really understand it, as quitting openttd fia the console works on it's own 11:07:12 <dihedral> just the process does not die when openttd is run in expect and on a detached screen 11:17:37 <dihedral> i do have a fix :-D 11:17:59 <petern> :D 11:18:15 * DASPRiD puts some zombies hidden in a screen into Vikthor's bed 11:18:16 * petern ponders trying to get it working in his vserver 11:18:50 <Singaporekid> WHEN DID YOU HAVE A SERVER 11:19:36 <dihedral> Vikthor, update ;-) 11:19:45 <Vikthor> will do 11:20:33 <dihedral> oh - wait a jiffy ^^ 11:21:40 <dihedral> there you go ;-) 11:21:45 <dihedral> commit had failed 11:21:59 <petern> Singaporekid: since ... forever! 11:22:20 <Singaporekid> Is it fuzzly? 11:22:24 <petern> yarr 11:22:35 <petern> actually there are two openttd servers atm 11:22:51 <petern> for reasons unknown to me now 11:22:59 <dihedral> ^^ 11:24:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:29:20 <Vikthor> dihedral: No more zombies, thank you. 11:29:27 <dihedral> you are welcome ;-) 11:29:37 <dihedral> anything else? 11:29:38 <dihedral> ^^ 11:30:23 <Vikthor> no, thanks :) 11:39:26 <petern> oh yeah, i better update to RC2 11:39:30 *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3, 0.7.0-RC2 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence 11:46:35 <[wito]> someone might want to verify this, but I do believe your page on compiling openttd for OS X is slightly wrong; libpng with header files should be available out-of-the-box, at least on 10.5 with dev tools 11:46:49 <petern> it's a wiki 11:47:03 <petern> at least, i assume you're refering to the wiki 11:47:23 <[wito]> good point 11:47:25 <petern> in which case 1) we probably didn't write it 2) you can update it 11:48:06 <dihedral> 3) hardly anybody cares to read 11:48:34 <[wito]> 3 is the most compelling argument for me not giving a rats ass, I must admit 11:48:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15830 /trunk/src/ (news_func.h news_gui.cpp news_type.h): -Codechange: don't use fixed size of array in news_gui.cpp and news_func.h 11:49:49 * petern ponders more memory 11:49:56 <petern> 2GB just isn't enough these days... 11:50:23 <petern> could go to the max for my board of 8GB 11:50:30 <petern> still < £100 these days :o 11:51:27 <planetmaker> [wito]: afaik I had to install it on 10.4 11:53:32 * Rubidium just downloads the appropriate debian image when he wants to compile OSX stuff 11:53:55 <[wito]> planetmaker: I can't remember ever installing it on 10.5 11:54:00 <[wito]> yet I quite clearly had it 11:54:17 <petern> oh... doesn't seem to support 2GB modules at 1066 :/ 11:54:20 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@124.189.1.158] has joined #openttd 11:55:23 <[wito]> that's funny... 11:55:32 <petern> nor at 800... 11:55:33 <petern> odd 11:55:40 <petern> maybe it just wasn't tested 11:55:43 <[wito]> my homebrew compile is like, half the size of the distribution version 11:55:43 <[wito]> oh 11:55:45 <[wito]> right 11:55:49 <[wito]> forgot --enable-universal 11:56:29 <planetmaker> hardly necessary for home brewed ;) 11:57:15 <[wito]> actually 11:57:18 <[wito]> I have two machines 11:57:23 <[wito]> one intel and one ppc 11:57:33 <DASPRiD> no amd? :x 11:57:40 <[wito]> oh, and an amd, of course 11:57:44 <[wito]> but that's my linux box 11:58:00 <[wito]> but AMD Macs are hard to come by 11:58:29 <petern> otoh 11:58:36 <petern> i suspect i don't need 8GB 12:00:46 * Hendikins doesn't need 16, but has it (only 2 gig/core...) 12:01:07 <petern> heh, compiling without asserts strips off 0.5MB from the binary 12:01:19 <petern> my board only supports 8 12:01:26 <petern> "only" 12:01:43 <Hendikins> My board supports 32, but I decided it was too expensive (Registered+ECC DDR2 800) 12:02:02 <petern> well clearly you have a workstation board rather than a cheap desktop board :) 12:02:12 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:19 <Hendikins> Er. Apparently. 12:02:33 * petern finds his Q6600 enough, as well 12:03:13 <Hendikins> Although I sent a cheap desktop board with an X2 6000+ and 8GB off to a friend of mine. 8 was probably the limit for it though 12:03:39 <petern> and probably not registered ecc 12:03:54 <Hendikins> No, definitely not. 12:04:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE876e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:04:53 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177139197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *yaorm*] 12:05:04 * Hendikins sets up the prerequisites so that he can actually build/play ottd for the first time in yonks. 12:06:09 <petern> time make -j 16 :D 12:06:32 <Hendikins> Nah 12:06:35 <Hendikins> time make -j 12:06:46 <Hendikins> real 0m25.532s 12:06:46 <Hendikins> user 2m29.861s 12:06:46 <Hendikins> sys 0m15.785s 12:07:17 <petern> hmm 12:07:20 <petern> odd 12:07:26 <petern> i get 35 seconds 12:07:41 <petern> well, still faster :) 12:07:45 <Hendikins> I get 30 if I use -j 16 instead of -j 12:08:13 <petern> i have yet to convince the powers that be to get some HP DL785s 12:08:23 <petern> which would make a nice box 12:09:12 <petern> 8 quad core Opterons 12:09:14 <petern> 128GB ram... 12:09:38 <petern> 1300W power supply, heh 12:09:45 <Hendikins> This machine was a bit of a compromise. 12:10:17 <petern> (although that spec costs £25000) 12:12:24 <Hendikins> I'm using 2 quad core Opterons, 16GB RAM and a 1000W power supply. 12:12:39 <Hendikins> (And a pair of GTX260-216s for video) 12:13:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has joined #openttd 12:15:00 <Forked> heheh layer 8 joke.. 12:20:10 <petern> so what do you actually do that requires 8 cores *and* double graphic cards? 12:20:43 <Rubidium> Microsoft Outlook? 12:20:49 <petern> :D 12:21:01 <petern> outlook needs that fully loaded DL785 i think 12:21:56 <SpComb> and Solitaire 12:22:02 <Hendikins> petern: Nothing that requires the video cards, but I do use all 8 cores with things like virtualization, video encoding, software build jobs, etc. 12:25:05 <Hendikins> Hrm, it -has- been a while since I last touched ottd. I do like the ability to download stuff. 12:25:25 <petern> heh 12:26:35 <Hendikins> And I can finally use 3200x1200 (I don't recall this working last time I tried?) 12:27:18 <Rubidium> ah well, people are already complaining about the 'next limit' 12:27:39 <Hendikins> No matter what you do, people complain 12:27:53 <planetmaker> mooooar ;) 12:27:56 * Hendikins has to deal with that on a daily basis, working on a railway of all places 12:27:59 <Rubidium> ah well, any limit there is now will be met with a "not our bug" 12:28:35 <petern> 4096x4096? 12:29:32 <Rubidium> well, OpenTTD does not limit 12:30:12 <Hendikins> I'm happy to be able to use both monitors :) 12:30:45 <Rubidium> whatever limit there is now is either the OS, the video card (driver) or just insanity 12:31:25 <Rubidium> as in 65535x65535 isn't quite going to work on a 32 bits system 12:31:28 <petern> well yes 12:31:29 <Hendikins> Or all of the above. 12:47:17 *** Spoons [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:48:30 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:30 <emjay88> g'night all 12:51:46 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db07035.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:51:49 *** emjay88 [~emjay@CPE-60-224-51-178.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bersirc 2.2, for external use only. [ http://www.bersirc.org/ - Open Source IRC ]] 12:55:56 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 12:59:18 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:59:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:04:01 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 13:04:03 <Brianetta> Anybody know of a shunting game for Linux? 13:04:29 <Brianetta> Flash based puzzles are acceptable suggestions 13:05:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet586.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:06:10 <petern> there was a java one i played with, but forgot the name 13:07:13 <DASPRiD> shunting? 13:07:30 <Brianetta> Yes 13:07:38 <Brianetta> That thing which Americans call switching 13:07:46 <DASPRiD> how about javascript based puzzles? :x 13:07:53 <Brianetta> sure 13:07:59 <DASPRiD> www.klotski.de 13:08:05 <Brianetta> as long as I don't have to fight with Wine (: 13:08:25 <Rubidium> virtualbox ;) 13:08:27 <DASPRiD> i made that one, tho its a clone of gnome-klotski ;) 13:08:40 <DASPRiD> so not really a good reason when you are already a gnome-user 13:08:56 <Brianetta> Hmm, not really the kind of shunting I was after... 13:09:03 <DASPRiD> oh, mkay 13:09:25 <Brianetta> but it *is* damned cool 13:09:37 <petern> that's shuffling, heh 13:09:39 <Brianetta> but I'm a Gnome user, so I've solved these (: 13:09:48 <DASPRiD> Brianetta, even the last one? ;) 13:09:54 <Brianetta> http://nrich.maths.org/public/viewer.php?obj_id=956 13:10:02 <Brianetta> I remember that from the off-topic forum 13:10:54 <DASPRiD> uhm o.0 13:11:19 <DASPRiD> ah i c 13:12:11 <DASPRiD> which stupid guy builds a ML with just one track? :D 13:12:28 <Brianetta> Who said anything about a ML? 13:12:28 <glx> a stupid guy :) 13:12:30 <Brianetta> It's a BL 13:12:49 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228018082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:51 <DASPRiD> Brianetta, ML is written at the bottom of the picture 13:12:53 <DASPRiD> ^^ 13:13:31 <Brianetta> Well, it's a simple lack of terminology 13:13:46 *** svip [~svip@0x53589c76.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:13:47 <Brianetta> The author would probably have written "Running Line" if he'd known what it was called 13:14:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has left #openttd [] 13:14:24 *** svip [~svip@0x53589c76.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 13:14:40 <Brianetta> http://www.tont.be/Gartriage/EN/ 13:14:41 *** svip [~svip@0x53589c76.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:14:46 <Brianetta> Alas, Windows users have it all 13:15:33 <DASPRiD> o.0 13:16:04 <DASPRiD> could work via wine 13:16:07 <DASPRiD> else virtaulbox 13:16:11 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 13:16:20 <Brianetta> [13:08] <Brianetta> as long as I don't have to fight with Wine (: 13:16:35 <petern> pah, pc crashed :/ 13:16:45 <Gekz> get linux 13:16:49 <Brianetta> If I'm going to use Windows software I might as well reboot 13:19:22 <Brianetta> Frijj Milkshake. £1.05, or £1 for two. 13:19:24 <Brianetta> Mad. 13:20:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226131066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:06 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:20:14 <petern> heh 13:20:24 <petern> like energy saving bulbs 13:20:27 <petern> 50p each 13:20:35 <petern> or 5 for 40p 13:20:39 <SmatZ> 8-) 13:21:47 <SmatZ> even one for 50p is incredibly cheap 13:32:20 <dihedral> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2741 <- would be pretty helpful with a lot of clients on one game ;-) 13:35:21 <Belugas> hello 13:35:48 <dihedral> hello Belugas 13:35:49 <petern> yeah, typing 'clients' is quite hard 13:36:06 <dihedral> petern, searching through a up to 255 clients list is a pain 13:36:40 <dihedral> and will not allow you to act fast enough 13:37:21 <Rubidium> dihedral: then don't allow 255 clients 13:37:31 <Rubidium> because you it doesn't mean you must 13:37:35 <dihedral> Rubidium, the game supports 255 clients 13:37:51 <dihedral> why would the game then not support easily getting hold of the client's id on a server? 13:38:04 <dihedral> and rather ask the admins to not allow what openttd supports? 13:38:26 <Rubidium> dihedral: the game support 8192x8192 (and higher resolutions), does that mean you need to use such a resolution? 13:38:34 <Darkvater> clients | grep <id> 13:38:36 <Darkvater> voila ;) 13:38:41 <dihedral> there is no grep 13:38:49 <Tefad> there is no spoon 13:38:50 *** Alberth [~hat@se-162.se.wtb.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:56 <Darkvater> +1 Tefad 13:39:03 <SmatZ> you are the spoon 13:39:21 <Tefad> i may be spoony but i am no spoon 13:39:26 <Tefad> off to work. 13:40:33 <dihedral> Rubidium, the game allows 15 companies, and will display the number of a company the client joins :-P 13:40:55 <dihedral> why is displaying the client id on the server then such a bad thing 13:41:08 <dihedral> in the rare case of there being more than e.g. 20 clients 13:41:19 <dihedral> having to search the list for the name, can be tedious 13:42:00 <petern> hmm, did we ever change the 'give money' system from client to company? 13:42:45 <dihedral> petern, just dont allow giving money :-P 13:43:17 <dihedral> min_active_clients does not work, then dont use it ^^ 13:43:27 <dihedral> Rubidium, ^ how about those examples ;-) 13:44:43 <dihedral> also, extending some commands to accept id's as an optional parameter would be helpful in the case of there being a lot of clients in one game (e.g. status [<client-id>]) 13:45:35 <planetmaker> petern: no, you didn't so far :) 13:48:02 <Ammler> dihedral: how hard is it to extend the clients commands to accept nickname instead of id? 13:48:27 <dihedral> nickname is ugly ^^ 13:48:29 <Ammler> (or both) 13:48:42 <petern> min_active_clients does work :p 13:48:56 <Belugas> reality is ugly 13:49:04 <petern> # I WANNA FUCK YOU 13:49:06 <dihedral> petern, that was an example for before it was fixed 13:49:09 <Ammler> hehe, it could conflict, if someone is using a number as nick :-) 13:49:14 <dihedral> petern, like an animal? 13:49:15 <Belugas> The Great Destroyer (Modwheelmood) on Year Zero Remixed, wonderfull... 13:49:18 <Belugas> oup... 13:49:19 <Belugas> sorry 13:49:21 <planetmaker> eh... 13:50:35 <planetmaker> Belugas: you're not really sorry that you find that wonderfull? 13:51:01 <Belugas> well... it was not meant to be pasted i here :S 13:51:08 <dihedral> petern, point being, that a 255 lines long list would be a pain, and just because it's a pain saying one should not allow that many clients is a really really silly (sorry) argument ^^ 13:53:03 <petern> will you just shut up 13:53:17 <petern> the more you go on the less chance there is 13:53:31 <petern> you should know that by now 13:54:25 <glx> how displaying the client-id on join will help if everybody join at the same time? 13:54:52 <glx> or if the chat is very busy? 13:55:21 * Belugas would guess it will be an admin stuff script to auto kick ban more easily 13:55:32 <glx> or if the client you want to "control" changed his nick many times? 13:55:35 <dihedral> why kick / ban ? 13:55:51 <taisteluorava> if i upgrade cargodest R15774 win32 build with RC2 installer,does it work anymore? 13:55:53 <dihedral> glx, if the nick is changed, the id is still the same 13:56:16 <glx> yes but you have to search in the log to find when he joined 13:56:30 <glx> and you need to trace all nick changes 13:56:57 <Belugas> taisteluorava, no one knows up until someone tries ;) 13:57:12 <taisteluorava> ok : ) 13:57:22 <taisteluorava> i take that risk 13:57:28 <glx> allowing nicks in commands who be a better solution I think 13:58:09 <dihedral> glx, and what do you do with those people who use utf8 chars not listed on your keyboard? 13:58:27 <dihedral> or is that not possible anymore? 13:58:39 <Rubidium> dihedral: and a group of people repeatedly joining/leaving with client id 'spamming' the console makes it easier in what way? 13:59:28 <dihedral> if you want to go to extremes, feel free - but once you are there, what in openttd is safe? 13:59:48 <petern> private servers :D 13:59:51 <dihedral> what at all is protected from flooding / spaming in anyway 14:00:03 <dihedral> ban accepts a client id 14:00:06 <dihedral> kick accepts one 14:00:10 <dihedral> say_client does too 14:00:22 <dihedral> but you only have the name when they join 14:00:29 <dihedral> that is all i am refering to 14:00:37 <dihedral> and the patch merely changes that for servers 14:00:55 <petern> besides 14:00:57 <petern> the coding style sucks 14:00:58 <glx> use ap+ to manage the nick->client-id list 14:01:07 <Rubidium> the next step of your patch would be introducing the same thing to the client 14:01:22 <dihedral> if you want that, i am happy to do that 14:01:36 <petern> also 14:01:39 <petern> it's not realistic 14:01:45 <dihedral> you dont like trinary? 14:01:59 <petern> also 14:02:06 <petern> it's too realistic 14:02:07 <DASPRiD> dihedral, trinary operator? 14:02:17 <petern> foo ? bar : baz 14:02:24 <DASPRiD> yes 14:02:26 <dihedral> strid = _network_server ? STR_NETWORK_SERVER_CLIENT_JOINED : STR_NETWORK_CLIENT_JOINED; break; 14:02:39 <DASPRiD> i asked if you mean that :) 14:02:41 <petern> although usually ternary,... 14:02:46 <DASPRiD> yeah well 14:02:49 <DASPRiD> works both 14:02:56 <dihedral> both works ;-) 14:03:31 <DASPRiD> :> 14:03:31 <dihedral> petern, what exactly in the code do you not like - code style can always be fixed 14:04:09 <petern> also 14:04:10 <DASPRiD> i know it, the comments! :) 14:04:11 <petern> it's too big 14:05:59 <dihedral> sure - you could append " (#{2:NUM})" to the end of the string already in english.txt 14:06:28 <dihedral> however that would not allow it to be changed in translations 14:06:30 <petern> also 14:06:32 <petern> it's too small 14:06:35 <petern> ffs 14:06:42 <petern> also 14:06:49 <petern> also 14:06:59 <dihedral> would you mind making sense? 14:07:20 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r15831 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix: make sure house class/ID counters don't overflow 14:09:29 <dihedral> * Belugas would guess it will be an admin stuff script to auto kick ban more easily <- scripts also send motd's to the client in private, so the other clients are not flooded with the motd each time a client joins 14:09:58 <Brianetta> *yours* does (: 14:10:15 <dihedral> mine only kicks those named "Player" 14:10:24 <dihedral> but it also sends an motd just to the client 14:11:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15832 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Codechange: improve the aligning of right aligned/centered strings 14:11:09 <dihedral> <glx> use ap+ to manage the nick->client-id list <- ap+ does, however, a newly joined client needs to be looked up, as any other admin would have to do so too 14:16:05 * Belugas thinks more nice and useful for all gameplay features should be loked at 14:18:11 * dihedral prefers any admin related stuff ^^ 14:19:49 <Belugas> hehe 14:20:02 <Belugas> that, we all arre aware of _^_ 14:20:13 <dihedral> :-P 14:20:32 <Belugas> which reminds me... how useful would be a kick ban admin by users vote feature ? 14:20:56 <Rubidium> yeah, I like that users can kick and ban the admin 14:21:17 <dihedral> if you base number of votes on ip, it could work, but the 'badies' could team up and basically get most people banned from any game 14:21:37 <dihedral> which kinda sucks 14:22:21 <dihedral> if you run the 'voting' through something like ap+ you could exclude bans happening on certain users ^^ 14:22:48 <Darkvater> vot kickban is never a good idea 14:23:24 <Rubidium> Darkvater: but vote kickbanning admins is 14:23:35 <dihedral> :-P 14:23:36 <Darkvater> :) 14:24:46 <dihedral> there was someone who had modified autopilot (the original) to include voting 14:24:54 <dihedral> but you also had to identify first 14:25:01 <dihedral> (private message to the server) 14:26:52 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc155-66.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 14:31:45 <Darkvater> all in favour of kicking dihedral ? 14:31:59 <Rubidium> aye 14:33:01 <Brianetta> "Please remove the template once the feature has been released in a stable version of the game" 14:33:07 <Brianetta> Does this go for release candidates? 14:33:21 <Darkvater> templae? 14:33:29 <Brianetta> In the wiki 14:33:36 <Rubidium> Brianetta: is a release candidate a stable release? 14:33:48 <Brianetta> Possibly. 14:33:51 <dihedral> ....? 14:34:17 <Brianetta> "currently only available in non-production releases" 14:34:27 <Brianetta> Could also ask, is it a non-production release? 14:34:40 <dihedral> Darkvater, dont kick me - i am just a poor person trying my best at helping where i can ;-) 14:37:03 <Darkvater> dihedral: just dhowing the power of vote :) 14:37:09 <Darkvater> I have no sch intentions 14:37:29 <dihedral> i was joking also ^^ well not with the 'trying to help' part ^^ 14:37:46 <dihedral> i was engaging in the humor :-P 14:37:58 <Brianetta> Vote-kick gets perfectly reasonable players, who play by the rules, kicked for being generally disliked. 14:38:04 <Brianetta> Or even, for being good at the game. 14:39:04 <Forked> racetrack: weird 14:39:17 <dihedral> Rubidium, actually the next step i would go would be muting clients :-P 14:39:57 <dihedral> and forbidding them to move themselves to another company :-P so when an admin moves a client to spectators they stay there until moved back by an admin ^^ 14:41:25 <Brianetta> High build costs, high interest rates, high running costs. You know what the real killer is? 14:41:27 <Brianetta> Gradual loading. 14:41:37 <Brianetta> Turn that off, everything suddenly gets profitable. 14:42:16 <Brianetta> With it on, my services are slowed. Trains wait ages, hurting ratings at other stations and accruing full running costs. 14:43:10 <dihedral> more realistic? :-P 14:43:11 * dihedral hides 14:43:19 <Brianetta> Unfortunately, yes 14:43:36 <Brianetta> although it would be cool if I could have one loco and several rakes of coaches 14:43:42 <Brianetta> It wouldn't have to stop moving 14:43:56 <Brianetta> and passengers could take as long as they liked to stagger on board 14:44:17 <Brianetta> Drop, run around, collect 14:47:28 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc155-66.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 14:48:22 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:51:12 <Brianetta> There's a town on my server called Fartfield. 14:51:25 <Darkvater> OH, obscenity! 14:51:45 <Brianetta> This must mean that a town name atom is Fart 14:51:49 <Brianetta> which is funny 14:51:59 <Brianetta> we can expect more flatulence based settlements 14:52:16 <petern> //ReplaceWords("Fart", "Boot", buf); 14:52:23 <petern> i don't know why that's commented out, though 14:53:00 <petern> oh, that's changed 14:53:19 <petern> but it's still not done for the original name generator for some reason 14:53:32 <petern> anyway 14:54:00 <petern> the name parts are smaller than that 14:54:20 <Brianetta> So could there potentially be a Penisford or something? 14:55:01 <petern> 'fraid not 14:55:14 <petern> hmm, and no town starting with a vowel 14:55:23 <petern> no 'cester 14:56:05 <Brianetta> Bollocks. Bankrupt on my own server. 14:56:07 <Brianetta> The shame. 15:01:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-89.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:09:49 <Belugas> All The Pigs, All Lined Up !!!! 15:23:47 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 15:39:42 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 15:41:27 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37DD84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:20 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016176dc23d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:46 *** flowOver [~J@S01060016176dc23d.gv.shawcable.net] has quit [] 15:57:20 *** Alberth [~hat@se-162.se.wtb.tue.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:59:37 <petern> # now tell me now now now all of it now 16:01:39 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:01:52 <pavel1269> ello 16:09:47 *** ngaba [~ngaba@193.6.41.90] has joined #openttd 16:10:23 *** lolman [~john@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:18:30 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:20:02 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:23 *** williham [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 16:30:12 <ngaba> Is it possible to say the exact specification of the "replace-to" vehicle? 16:31:15 <ngaba> I mean, I want to replace mail transport ships to mail tr. ships 16:31:26 *** [wito] [~wito@212251244230.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:02 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:50 <glx> so using same type? 16:40:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.232] has joined #openttd 16:41:27 <ngaba> glx, yes 16:42:03 <ngaba> I guess the same "problem" appear, when I set "auto-replace old vehicles" option 16:42:07 <glx> use autorenew 16:43:10 <ngaba> is this works there? 16:43:42 <ngaba> In fact, I tried with 120 passanger vs. 200 passanger buses (newgrf) 16:43:52 <glx> did you run with breakdowns ? 16:44:51 <ngaba> yes 16:45:22 <ngaba> and openttd autorenewed my 200 p. bus to the 120 p. "type" 16:45:40 <glx> that's autoreplace :) 16:46:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wireless-89.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:26 <ngaba> is this option in 0.6.3? ;-) 16:46:53 <glx> yes open vehicle list, it's in the manage list dropdown 16:47:22 <ngaba> thx. 16:48:36 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37DD84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:06 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 16:52:06 <ngaba> Can I turn off "local authority refuses"? (If yes, probably I can find it. I'm not on my machine.) 16:52:48 <Belugas> nope 16:53:09 <Belugas> there is no cheat, not setting, no nothing for it 16:53:21 <pavel1269> i had a patch for this :-) 16:53:38 * Belugas looks the other side 16:54:23 <pavel1269> and in SP ... if you turn on magic buldozer, it should work, hmm? 16:55:10 <Belugas> pavel1269, if he needs to build a station, magic buldozer would not work ;) 16:56:09 <pavel1269> okay then :-) wasnt really sure 16:56:21 <ngaba> ok, then my "real" question is not invalid ;) : 16:56:35 <Belugas> ? 16:56:41 <pavel1269> but i know, if it is on, you can delete whole city and still place a station there 16:56:52 <ngaba> When I destroy a busstation in the middle of the city, 16:58:34 <ngaba> a T (or X) crossing appear. 16:58:41 <ngaba> (on the road) 16:58:53 <ngaba> so no new buildings will be build... 16:59:22 <ngaba> (in the place of the old bus station) 17:00:32 <ngaba> And I cannot destroy the (old) entrance (half) road. 17:00:35 <glx> just plant trees to increase your rating 17:00:57 <glx> use the remove road tool 17:01:28 <ngaba> local authority refuses ;-) 17:01:35 <Belugas> plant more trees :) 17:01:48 <ngaba> btw, when I bribe the authority they may not allow to build a bus station :-P 17:01:49 <petern> remember to use the bulldozer, not the dynamite 17:02:18 <Belugas> your bribery may fail 17:02:18 <ngaba> oh, thx. one more thing I learnt here today ;-) 17:09:11 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DFCA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:10:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DFCA.versanet.de] has quit [] 17:20:41 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:02 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:52 *** Carved [~martin@91-64-187-173-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:28:13 <Carved> is their any possibility to change some patch options in a save game? 17:29:00 <planetmaker> yes 17:29:08 <Carved> i missed to check building more then one industrie in a town, can i change that in game or when i save this game 17:29:08 <planetmaker> load it in single player, change them and save again 17:29:16 <Carved> thanks :-) 17:30:17 <planetmaker> there are a few options it cannot work with, though. The one you mentioned isn't one of those. 17:31:34 <Brianetta> Any reason why all the subsidies offered in my game are and have been for passengers 17:32:28 *** mikl [~mikl@95.209.234.29.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 17:32:48 <Rubidium> all industries are serviced? 17:33:58 <glx> distance between industries >70 ? 17:34:11 <planetmaker> that's the limit? wow... 17:34:19 <el_en> done watching Star Trek Voyager [x] 17:34:20 <planetmaker> I learnt something new :) 17:35:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:52 <pavel1269> server move? hmm 17:37:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feac5.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:15 <planetmaker> hm? 17:37:53 <pavel1269> forums? 17:37:58 <Rubidium> yup, wrong time for a server move 17:38:33 <Rubidium> better do it Wednesday of next week 17:38:54 <planetmaker> hm? 17:39:39 <planetmaker> anything special then except the date? 17:40:12 <glx> or it always find a valid passenger route 17:40:17 <Rubidium> not really, but it makes for a nice gossip 17:41:09 *** otih [~otih@wir.machen.datensalat.eu] has joined #openttd 17:41:28 <el_en> english.only 17:41:48 <otih> hi, when will 0.7.0 be released? 17:42:03 <Belugas> right on time! 17:42:11 <planetmaker> hehe gossipping :) 17:42:17 <Prof_Frink> otih: Some time between now and never. 17:42:26 <orudge> [17:37:56] <Rubidium> yup, wrong time for a server move <-- it won't take long 17:42:29 <planetmaker> or... when it's done 17:42:31 <orudge> all the data is rsynced 17:42:35 <orudge> just need to do the databases 17:42:43 <orudge> and then the site should be up in theory within the hour 17:42:55 <Sacro> orudge: froums are down 17:42:58 <orudge> (plus a reverse proxy on the old server while DNS updates) 17:43:16 <otih> Prof_Frink: perfect, you said something ;) but you are involved? 17:43:16 <Sacro> fixitfixitfixitfixit 17:43:25 <orudge> I am waiting for the sql to compress 17:43:25 <Hendikins> Ack, the one thing I hate about ottd... looking at the clock and wondering where those hours went. 17:43:28 <Sacro> frink is always involved 17:43:29 <orudge> were this on the new server, it'd be even quicker! 17:43:45 <Sacro> orudge: well move it to the new one and compress it 17:43:46 <orudge> maybe I'll ungzip and re-gzip it on the new server 17:43:54 <Rubidium> Hendikins: that's not an OTTD problem; I've had it much worse with TTDP 17:44:10 <Belugas> [13:45] <otih> Prof_Frink: perfect, you said something ;) but you are involved? <-- he's involved deeply in madness 17:44:22 <Belugas> otih, may i ask wht you ask? 17:44:27 <Sacro> he's lovestruck, he's fallen for a lamppost 17:44:49 <otih> i ask for 0.7.0 releasedate, because i wanna bump version in gentoo ;) 17:45:24 <Hendikins> Rubidium: Either way, it is 4:45am, and I have to be up for work by 12 noon. 17:45:31 <Rubidium> otih: are you that deep into Gentoo that you can actually bump the version, or would it be that you'd be supplying a patch? 17:45:40 <Hendikins> So I'd better call it a day before it eats too much in to my sleep time 17:46:26 <otih> Rubidium: i dont have cvs writeaccess .... but i can also bump! 17:47:09 <Rubidium> otih: last time we 'tried' to bump it it took only half a year 17:47:11 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|ZzZ 17:47:44 <Rubidium> and that was when we released a bugfix release that fixed a remote exploit in OpenTTD's server 17:48:17 <otih> oh shit ;) i will bump it faster! 17:48:31 <Rubidium> and then there's the general case of Gentoo providing wrong information 17:48:33 <otih> any idea for releasedate? 17:49:09 <SmatZ> and using EAPI2 for no apparent reason 17:49:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DFCA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:52 <SmatZ> if the intention wasn't to force moving partage supporting EAPI2 to stable :-P 17:51:03 <SmatZ> because the gentoo stuff loves OTTD 17:51:07 <SmatZ> but I doubt ;) 17:51:27 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:25 <Rubidium> anyhow, it'll be released when we feel it's ready. I know that's not a date. I'll happily give you a date when it's released though ;) 17:54:54 <orudge> It'll most probably be released before Christmas, though. :p 17:55:38 <Rubidium> yup and so will TTDP 2.5 ;) 17:55:44 <otih> Rubidium: perfect ;) 17:55:47 <orudge> ah, yes, TTDPatch 2.5... 17:56:23 <orudge> it'll probably be out about the same time as Duke Nukem Forever 17:56:58 <petern> dbg: [misc] Nested widgets give different results 17:56:59 <petern> pom 17:57:17 <orudge> those dratted poms 17:57:31 <petern> disgusting i tell you 17:58:15 <petern> ah, on the multiplayer window 17:58:23 <orudge> a multiplayer window, eh? disgusting 17:58:30 <SmatZ> indeed 17:58:36 <petern> so, er, yeah, why was WWT_DROPDOWNIN removed? :( 17:58:55 <petern> "Game Options" looks so silly now! 17:59:30 <SmatZ> indeed 18:00:22 <planetmaker> ingo$ hg pull -u 18:00:23 <planetmaker> abort: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error 18:00:31 <planetmaker> for trunk 18:00:36 <petern> yes well 18:00:45 <petern> cherokee is obviously not as good as truebrain thought 18:00:51 <petern> (OR SOME OTHER CRAP) 18:01:03 <planetmaker> he :( 18:01:26 <petern> hmm, can metacity vsync, i wonder... 18:03:24 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejh36.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:04:37 *** Frostregen [~frost@dslb-084-058-162-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:08:53 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:59 <el_en> if i spot a sentence like "What about the other Vulcan's on board?" in DVD subtitling, what should i think? 18:11:03 <petern> you should think "why am i watching star trek?" 18:11:13 <petern> (or whatever series had vulcans) 18:11:18 <petern> ((sorry, vulcan's)) 18:12:56 <Rubidium> 'star trek and derivative's have vulcan's 18:13:19 <el_en> the reason is simple. openttd games take days, a star trek episode takes only 43 minutes. 18:14:15 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: I'd like to buy some apples. 18:15:00 <Rubidium> I'm not selling ;) 18:15:28 <SpComb> orudge: live replication! 18:16:24 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:17:00 *** ngaba [~ngaba@193.6.41.90] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 18:18:02 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.16] has joined #openttd 18:19:42 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:20:06 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has left #openttd [] 18:20:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:25 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has joined #openttd 18:21:42 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-104.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:23:29 <Belugas> #This isn't meant to last! 18:23:35 <Belugas> #This is FOR RIGHT NOW 18:26:56 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.105.74] has joined #openttd 18:29:33 <petern> # we love you any how 18:29:36 <petern> # but you're not so pretty now 18:32:42 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 18:34:38 <Noldo> wwhat? 18:35:42 <Ammler> WP signs look like usual signs, is that indented? 18:36:14 <SmatZ> it's intended by Yexo :) 18:36:26 <Ammler> quite confusing :-) 18:37:16 <Ammler> need an old build to check, why the old signs are that bad. 18:37:45 <Noldo> WP signs? 18:38:05 <SmatZ> all have the same colour 18:38:18 <SmatZ> they are distinguishable now 18:39:31 <Ammler> but it would be better, if they look like stations signs. 18:39:35 <Ammler> (imo) 18:39:47 * Belugas though it was macro WP, for windows pointer :D 18:39:57 <SmatZ> :o) 18:40:03 <Belugas> old times, where windows were simpler :D 18:40:28 <SmatZ> hehehe 18:40:28 <Ammler> afaik, you don't like macros ;-) 18:40:45 <Ammler> no idea, what they are, just read sometimes here... 18:41:58 <Ammler> I see, they had the same time for all companies 18:42:03 <Belugas> what they WERE, Ammler 18:42:07 <Ammler> color* 18:42:11 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 18:42:41 <Ammler> I see, Belugas :-) 18:43:26 <Ammler> another reason, not using them..., Thraxian.... 18:48:13 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejh36.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 18:50:35 <nicfer> does anyone know if there's a server that uses scores companies by their score and value? 18:51:24 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:59 <Belugas> nicfer, i guess you could look at Kludge 18:54:02 <Belugas> hem... 18:54:07 <Belugas> Krunch? 18:54:13 <Belugas> .. 18:54:17 <Belugas> Knap? 18:54:23 <Belugas> something with a K 18:54:27 <Belugas> Klaus? 18:54:33 <petern> kurt's 18:54:37 <Belugas> :D 18:54:43 <Belugas> yeah! 18:54:46 <Belugas> that one 19:01:49 <orudge> forums back 19:02:15 <frosch123> damn, it could have been such a lovely evening 19:02:37 <Ammler> did you change the backup time? :-) 19:04:43 <petern> # it didn't turn out the way you wanted it to 19:04:50 <orudge> Ammler: nope 19:04:52 <orudge> but it should be a lot quicker now 19:05:27 <Ammler> well, it is a good reminder to shutdown the pc. 19:06:19 <petern> i never noticed it being slow before... 19:06:30 <petern> however 19:06:42 <petern> i am but a lowly user 19:06:51 <orudge> the forums weren't particularly slow before 19:07:30 <orudge> indeed, they were quite snappy 19:07:32 <orudge> they shall be moreso now 19:07:48 <petern> # now 19:07:50 <petern> # you know 19:07:55 <petern> # this is what it feels like 19:08:10 * petern fires up his RC2 19:10:17 <Belugas> i see it faster a bit, orudge 19:10:27 <Belugas> orudge, there is still a big problem on the forums 19:10:53 <Belugas> forums are crawling with pure idiots! 19:11:14 <orudge> technically, you may see the forum slightly slower, as it's being proxied through the old server until the DNS updates 19:11:16 <orudge> and yes 19:11:18 <Belugas> damned... i don't have that CD in here :S 19:11:20 <orudge> that's a problem that new hardware won't fix alas 19:13:42 <Belugas> alas... 19:13:48 <Belugas> a thousand times alas 19:13:50 <Prof_Frink> orudge: Not entirely true. 19:13:58 <Prof_Frink> Depends on the new hardware. 19:14:17 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:41 <orudge> Prof_Frink: alas, it's not a hammer 19:15:11 <Prof_Frink> I was thinking orbiting laser. 19:15:15 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 19:15:28 <orudge> Prof_Frink: hmm, that might work 19:17:03 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37DD84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:30 <Belugas> lauch a funding campaign! PLEASE!!! 19:17:36 <Belugas> launch 19:18:57 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-104.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 19:21:22 *** Carved [~martin@91-64-187-173-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 19:21:33 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:27:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 19:31:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm81.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: patchman is alive] 19:33:59 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.232] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:06 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:35 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 19:50:34 <Timitry> Belugas: What for? 19:52:15 <Belugas> [15:17] <Prof_Frink> I was thinking orbiting laser. 19:52:21 <Belugas> [15:17] <@orudge> Prof_Frink: hmm, that might work 19:52:45 <Timitry> Whatever that might be... 19:52:49 <Belugas> in regards of 19:52:49 <Belugas> [15:12] <@Belugas> orudge, there is still a big problem on the forums 19:52:49 <Belugas> [15:12] <@Belugas> forums are crawling with pure idiots! 19:52:58 <orudge> quite 19:55:50 <pavel1269> oh, i hope you dont mean at least anyone here at IRC :-) 19:57:45 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:57:56 <pavel1269> prolly you just come across topics "HELP" or "Is this patch still being worked on" :-) 19:57:58 * Belugas refuses to talk, on the advice of his lawyer 19:57:58 <yorick> the _command_proc_table enum has no name? 19:58:13 <Belugas> ike a horse with no name 19:58:23 <el_en> does it has a bucket 19:58:27 <planetmaker> the unspeakables 19:58:28 <pavel1269> it nice, and wild? :-) 19:58:35 <Prof_Frink> Or a mouse with no name. 19:58:45 <pavel1269> *its 19:59:10 <Belugas> :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Horse_with_No_Name :D 19:59:44 <pavel1269> :-D 20:00:03 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-98.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:26 <pavel1269> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkIKedRw92o 20:02:38 <petern> america :D 20:05:41 <petern> (good song that) 20:07:09 <Belugas> yeah :D 20:07:53 <Belugas> beside a fire , on a nice summer evening, and a few beers-bottles of rhum-cigars-<else>... 20:08:02 <Belugas> and of course, full of guitars! 20:08:22 <Belugas> one chord... not hard to teach ;) 20:11:39 <Belugas> ok ok.. two... 20:11:42 <pavel1269> dow do i apply a patch with format "+++ train_cmd.cpp (working copy)" 20:11:48 <pavel1269> -p-1 ? :-P 20:12:09 <frosch123> cd src; patch -p 0 -i blabla.diff 20:12:43 <pavel1269> -p0 dont work, since there is missing src/ 20:13:22 <frosch123> look more closely 20:13:50 * pavel1269 hitted his screen 20:14:04 <pavel1269> okay, gonna copy patch to src folder .-/ 20:14:14 <Sacro> you don't need to copy it 20:14:45 <pavel1269> -p0 -i ../ ? 20:14:59 <Sacro> yup 20:15:28 <pavel1269> sorry, it late and my brain is already sleeping :-) 20:15:31 <pavel1269> úits 20:15:34 <pavel1269> ** 20:15:44 <pavel1269> my hands also :-D 20:16:30 <frosch123> or "sed -i 's/^[+-]\{3\} /&src\//' blabla.diff" 20:17:35 <pavel1269> what? :-) 20:17:47 <pavel1269> i prefer "-i ../*.patch" 20:18:58 <Belugas> # it's good to warm my bones beside the fire 20:20:05 <Ammler> or ask the patch writer to make a proper patch so the next one will match too... 20:24:45 <KenjiE20> okay, can someone tell me if this would do what I think it would, and seperate vehicle advice and 'train is lost' into seperate news items? 20:24:45 <KenjiE20> http://paste.openttd.org/180800 20:26:23 <pavel1269> looks like, try it? 20:26:53 <KenjiE20> BuildOTTD won't run on this pc for some reason 20:27:04 <Ammler> SmatZyPatchy goes famous ;-) 20:27:20 <planetmaker> KenjiE20: get MSVC or minigw :) 20:27:38 <KenjiE20> I would, if I had the foggiest where to start :P 20:27:46 <pavel1269> Ammler: true, and its freaking old :-) 20:27:56 <planetmaker> KenjiE20: download ;) 20:27:59 <Rubidium> the question is who cares enough about buildottd to fix it 20:28:05 <KenjiE20> BOTTD is installed, just 404's though 20:28:17 <taisteluorava> nice, forums have no any delay now 20:28:35 <KenjiE20> If I knew how to compile with what it's installed I would 20:28:39 <Rubidium> it assumes an undocumented feature of the old compile farm 20:29:30 <Ammler> KenjiE20: bottd is at sourceforge, afaik 20:29:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:29:39 <KenjiE20> yea, I got rc1 20:29:50 <KenjiE20> just dunno how to do what it automates 20:29:59 <Ammler> I meant, you can get the source ;-) 20:31:16 <glx> KenjiE20: then you have mingw/msys installed :) 20:31:30 <KenjiE20> heh, that I gathered 20:31:36 <glx> it's somewhere in buildottd install 20:31:56 <KenjiE20> yep: c:\buildottd\mingw 20:32:13 <glx> locate msys.bet 20:32:18 <glx> .bat 20:32:26 <KenjiE20> yea 20:32:45 <glx> then you can use svn to get the sources 20:32:59 <KenjiE20> I already used tourtoise to get them :P 20:33:09 <KenjiE20> -u 20:33:17 <glx> good, so start msys 20:33:24 <glx> cd to the sources 20:33:28 <glx> ./configure 20:33:30 <glx> make 20:33:48 <KenjiE20> ah, cool, so once that's running, it's *nix like? 20:34:01 <glx> yes 20:34:14 <KenjiE20> cool 20:34:18 * KenjiE20 gives it a go 20:34:26 <glx> c:\bla is replaced with /c/bla 20:35:00 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:36:37 <svip> Not really, glx. 20:36:44 <svip> The concept of drives does not exist in UNIX. 20:37:10 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:20 <KenjiE20> meh, I just copied my editted trunk into the newly made /home 20:37:56 <glx> does it have space in path? 20:38:24 <KenjiE20> nope, as far as mingw is concerned it's compiling in /home/Kenji/trunk 20:38:39 <glx> good 20:38:52 <glx> space in path is not supported ;) 20:38:59 <KenjiE20> heh 20:39:25 <KenjiE20> good ol' PROGRA~1 20:42:10 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:22 <KenjiE20> cool, it loads a save fine 20:42:28 <KenjiE20> no to try making a lost train :) 20:42:43 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:43:15 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:33 <KenjiE20> cool, it works 20:45:18 <KenjiE20> although I get a flashing red circle on the news bar, I've not seen that, but I'm assuming that's cause I've set advice to off, which I don't normally do 20:45:30 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DFCA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:47:30 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:50:00 <Belugas> and... may i? 20:50:09 <Belugas> ho yes I do dare!! 20:50:12 <Belugas> RUN HOME!! 20:50:18 <Belugas> night all :D 20:50:23 <SmatZ> nnn Belugas 20:51:24 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 20:58:53 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:14 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:31 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:08:42 <planetmaker> night Belugas 21:08:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:10:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590feac5.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:01 <nicfer> kurt's scoring system doesn't involve company score 21:16:04 <nicfer> I'm thinking on a virtual score that's measured as cv * cs /1000000 21:16:21 <nicfer> cv = company value, cs = company score 21:16:38 <Yexo> both company value and companuy score are fundamentally flawed currenlty 21:16:40 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-104.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:17:20 <nicfer> there are other factors that affect cs 21:17:26 <nicfer> like, amount of stations 21:18:14 <Yexo> I can get a company value of 3 million or even a bit more with the initial 500k loan with just building stations 21:20:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 21:20:17 <petern> yexo! why did you remove dropdownin? 21:20:39 <Yexo> removing code size, since it was only used at a few places 21:20:44 <petern> :( 21:20:50 <petern> well 21:20:54 <petern> i don't use subsidies 21:20:57 <petern> i should remove that :o 21:21:24 <Yexo> if you write a replacement for it, I don't care :p 21:21:54 <petern> wow 21:21:57 <Yexo> what's the problem, you don't like the new look of the game options window? 21:22:07 <petern> but you removed a whole... 10 lines or so 21:22:14 <petern> i don't think that's a valid reason to remove something 21:22:20 <petern> hell no 21:23:09 * SmatZ has the same opinion - but it doesn't mean I won't get used to it over time... 21:24:32 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:25:09 <Yexo> if you really think it's that bad I can always revert it 21:25:57 <Yexo> but maybe a redesign of that window is better in that case, ie changing it to share colors with either the newgame window or the difficulty/advanced/newgrf/ai settings windows 21:26:11 * SmatZ agrees 21:26:30 <SmatZ> but then, the tree structure isn't very fine for the Game Settings window 21:27:29 <SmatZ> (maybe the Advanced Settings window could be a bit "tuned", too ;) 21:27:39 <petern> advanced settings is damned ugly now 21:27:44 <planetmaker> Yexo: if there's going to be a re-design, all three, advanced settings, game options and new game window need concurrent review 21:27:50 <petern> (since the tree) 21:27:55 <petern> like 21:28:13 <petern> partial shadow on the -/+ graphic 21:28:23 <Yexo> planetmaker: I agree 21:28:31 <petern> and the default minimized state is... bleh 21:28:42 * SmatZ agrees with all of you! 21:28:51 <planetmaker> :D 21:29:03 *** mib_yt62aw [5217cbc4@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:29:27 <Yexo> but since we're now in the progress of moving the windows to the new widget system, I think we should do that first and redesign after that 21:29:30 <Yexo> one thing at a time 21:29:34 <planetmaker> sure 21:29:47 <planetmaker> and it's anything but urgent :) 21:30:08 <petern> blah, overruns :o 21:30:13 <planetmaker> it's not like people aren't used to the current system - if one can call it this way :P 21:33:08 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa113.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 21:36:08 <mib_yt62aw> Hi, may I ask a question about using signals here? 21:36:37 <SmatZ> hello mib_yt62aw, you may ask a question without asking :) 21:36:52 <mib_yt62aw> Hehe, very well. :) 21:37:13 <mib_yt62aw> I'm trying to work out what signals would be needed to get a situation shown in the image below working. 21:37:13 <mib_yt62aw> http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/778/prunwichtransport20thfe.png 21:38:05 <mib_yt62aw> Two trains share the station, but not a piece of track, they run into either end of the station, yet when they are moving in together one appears to divert into the depot? 21:38:10 <energetic> how do you mean "working" 21:38:26 *** Thraxian|Work [user@rrcs-24-199-209-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:31 <Nite_Owl> block or pbs 21:39:03 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa113.bae.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 21:39:33 <Thraxian|Work> Is it ok to report a minor GUI bug here, or would you prefer I submit via the bugs website? 21:39:37 <mib_yt62aw> Nite_Owl: You mean place the normal block signal at both ends of the station? 21:40:08 <energetic> I found something which i am not sure is intended behaviour or a bug 21:40:14 <Nite_Owl> no - which type of signals do you want to use 21:40:23 <SmatZ> Thraxian|Work: verify it in current trunk, check it is not already reported, and post it to bugs.openttd.org :) I think nobody is going to solve that now :-x 21:40:35 <mib_yt62aw> I'm not sure - whichever will work best. :) 21:40:42 <Thraxian|Work> Thanks, SmatZ 21:40:47 <petern> mib_yt62aw, in 0.6.3 you can't with YAPF 21:40:57 <petern> because the author declared it silly for some reason 21:41:59 <Nite_Owl> what version of the game are you using 21:42:18 <energetic> when joining stations of a different types (bus+rail) atll station tiles get the same catchment area 21:42:30 <mib_yt62aw> Latest stable release. 21:43:05 <Nite_Owl> 0.6.3 = no PBS - block signals then 21:43:24 <energetic> the catchment area of the biggest tile (station: 4, so bus stops get an extra tile) 21:43:47 <SmatZ> energetic: by design :) 21:43:57 <Nite_Owl> no matter what you do one of your trains is going into a depot 21:44:04 <mib_yt62aw> Yes. 21:44:06 <petern> remove the depots ;) 21:44:18 <petern> turn it into a ro-ro 21:44:25 <energetic> Smatz: why? ease of devving or does it have a deppeer thought? 21:44:26 <petern> or use RC2 with PBS 21:44:35 <energetic> *deeper* 21:44:36 <pavel1269> gn 21:44:36 <SmatZ> energetic: the former 21:44:43 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Pohodlné vykecávánÃ. Odkudkoliv.] 21:44:46 <petern> ease of cpu usage 21:44:55 <mib_yt62aw> petern: Ehm... Yeah, that will stop them. ;) 21:44:58 <Nite_Owl> that was not a question - it was a statement - there is no way around it with that design 21:45:21 <mib_yt62aw> Ah, okay. Thank you anyway. :) 21:45:29 <petern> well 21:45:32 <petern> you could switch to NPF 21:45:34 <petern> that would work 21:46:09 <petern> maybe we should fix that bug 21:46:14 <mib_yt62aw> My apologies, what is NPF? 21:46:15 <petern> because it is a bug imho 21:46:21 <petern> different pathfdiner 21:46:23 <petern> finder 21:46:29 <Nite_Owl> there is no place for the trains to pass one another if the are headed in opposite directions 21:46:39 <energetic> so instead of a grid catchment, its just making a big rectangle based on position & biggest catchment 21:47:03 <mib_yt62aw> petern: Ah yes, thank you. I have it now; I shall give that a go. 21:47:25 <mib_yt62aw> Nite_Owl & petern: Thanks for your time, much appreciated. :) 21:47:42 <Nite_Owl> always happy to help 21:49:45 <SmatZ> energetic: yes, smallest rectangle that fits all station tiles + largest catchment area of all station parts 21:51:36 <petern> along with distant-join stations you get a great 'legalised' exploit :p 21:52:16 <Nite_Owl> suppose you had an 11 tile station with the bus stop in the middle (6th tile) would you then get an irregular shaped rectangle i.e. with a bulge in the middle 21:52:39 <energetic> ptern: that depends on the station size 21:53:49 <petern> no it doesn't 21:54:14 <petern> you can cover a town quite easily with 2 bus stops 21:54:43 <Nite_Owl> in other words the 4 tile catchment area would not extend the full length of the train station but only 4 tiles out from the bulge created by the bus stop 21:55:47 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db07035.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 21:55:49 <planetmaker> dbg: [net] recv failed with error 54 <-- what does that mean? (Just curious) 21:55:57 <Nite_Owl> clear as mud but hopefully understood 21:56:02 <energetic> yes. But joining a big airport would make things different 21:56:14 <Rubidium> planetmaker: check your errno.h 21:56:27 * planetmaker will look. Thx Rubidium 21:59:11 <planetmaker> uhm... I don't have such file... 21:59:22 <Rubidium> then how do you compile? 22:00:03 <petern> 54 is... "Exchange full" 22:00:04 <petern> um 22:00:22 <Rubidium> google will tell either connection reset or exchange full 22:00:32 <Spoons> ERROR_NETWORK_BUSY on Windows. 22:00:36 <planetmaker> Rubidium: probably using my magic wand and telling it to make openttd ;) 22:00:38 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 22:00:57 <planetmaker> petern: thanks :) 22:02:03 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I thought you meant a file which is part of OpenTTD :) 22:02:16 <energetic> where can i find the list of colors (colours for UK ppl here) openttd uses for companies? I mean the literal names. 22:02:18 <Rubidium> on osx it's connection reset by peer 22:02:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, it's part of your OS you silly... 22:02:47 <Rubidium> otherwise we would've told you what the error is exactly 22:02:52 <Rubidium> instead of giving some magic number 22:03:04 <planetmaker> he :) 22:03:16 <Rubidium> anyhow /System/Library/Frameworks/Kernel.framework/Versions/A/Headers/sys/errno.h 22:03:21 <planetmaker> makes sense :) 22:04:45 <planetmaker> and thank you, too :) 22:09:32 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1464 22:09:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has joined #openttd 22:10:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:41 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1465 22:14:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has joined #openttd 22:15:27 *** Guest1464 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:12 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 22:18:46 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 22:20:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15833 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix: alignment of up/down arrows and closebox when in RTL 'view' 22:20:37 *** Guest1465 [~KenjiE20@92.10.84.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:22 <Ammler> @ports 22:23:23 <DorpsGek> Ammler: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 22:23:26 <Ammler> @port 22:23:26 <DorpsGek> Ammler: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 22:23:37 <Ammler> oh :-$ 22:23:58 <Ammler> does the content server use another port? 22:24:24 <Rubidium> no, it uses the masterserver port but via tcp 22:24:36 <Ammler> 3978? 22:30:59 <Ammler> he, I really configured the fw only using 78 for UDP :-) 22:31:27 <Rubidium> so you're blocking your outgoing connections? 22:32:00 *** mib_yt62aw [5217cbc4@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:32:08 <Ammler> well, it is a default setting of the vps 22:32:20 <Ammler> I just added exceptions. 22:32:51 <Ammler> ports >1024 are blocked 22:33:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:06 <Ammler> I don't get it really ;-) 22:37:01 <petern> hmm 22:37:12 <petern> cherry tictacs are odd 22:37:31 <Ammler> still no connection, disable the fw completly now 22:43:48 <energetic> Is there any (creative) solution in people having DHCP (dynamic IP) and keep coming back and spoil the game? 22:44:31 <glx> password 22:44:36 <Sacro> whitelist 22:44:46 <Yexo> ip range ban 22:45:12 <Ammler> energetic: maybe they don't know of the "unique id" ;-) 22:46:02 <Ammler> Yexo: does openttd support that? 22:46:16 <Yexo> since a while, yes 22:46:19 <Nite_Owl> lemon - lime Tic Tacs are even odder 22:46:20 <Ammler> he 22:46:24 <Rubidium> maybe it doesn't on OSX 22:46:40 <energetic> Yes, that is what I will builtin for people who dont know it. But for DHCP people knowing the networkID? 22:46:44 <Ammler> let me read the docs again... 22:47:11 <Ammler> Yexo: how is the syntax? 22:47:24 <Sacro> vim /etc/hosts.deny 22:47:41 <Yexo> Ammler: I don't know, sorry 22:48:03 <Ammler> console help doesn't show it either... 22:49:26 <Ammler> Sacro: not everyone does run openttd as root ;-) 22:50:06 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37DD84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 22:56:54 *** eMjay88 [~michael@60.241.9.164] has joined #openttd 23:03:00 *** Thraxian|Work [user@rrcs-24-199-209-194.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 23:03:07 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:04:57 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 23:06:41 <eMjay88> morning all 23:08:15 <Yexo> Ammler: a bit late, but anyway: Feature: Add support for IP range bans using CIDR notation (r15094) 23:10:40 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.105.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:53 <Ammler> yexo, very thanks :-) 23:10:58 <Ammler> much ^ 23:11:08 <energetic> nice one. 23:12:13 <Ammler> so a ban with /8 should work :-) 23:12:23 <eMjay88> hahaha 23:13:05 <Ammler> hmm, not sure, does a ban in openttd also kick? 23:13:39 <Yexo> iirc yes 23:16:42 <energetic> A ban prevents players from joining in the first place, how can it kick? 23:16:57 <energetic> ah, you mean the ban command kicks a player after using it...? 23:17:49 <Yexo> when you ban an active player, he is also kicked 23:24:11 <Ammler> energetic: like a kban in irc 23:25:21 <SmatZ> ban IP kicks player(s) using that IP 23:25:31 <SmatZ> but I think it doesn't apply to ip-range bans 23:25:44 <SmatZ> one of things I wanted to change, but haven't done so yet :-x 23:25:49 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:03 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:09 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 23:26:23 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 23:31:28 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:37:03 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:37:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:44:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F875.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:12 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:51:26 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:18 *** nicfer [~ADM@201.255.69.193] has joined #openttd