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02:05:08 <glx> what's your problem with it? 02:05:22 <baldur> it is reeeeaaaally slow 02:05:23 <Rubidium> baldur: we're not the developers of the webserver 02:05:33 <baldur> and gives my HTTP 500 errors half of the time 02:05:39 <baldur> so it takes about 20x more time to use it 02:05:42 <baldur> oh, sorry 02:06:11 <baldur> i'm not well into the management of project :p 02:06:29 <Rubidium> but we're trying a new webserver at the moment in the hopes it better than the previous one 02:06:31 <baldur> gives me* 02:07:06 <baldur> as in hardware or software? 02:07:27 <Rubidium> and well... it doesn't quite work out, but the developer of the webserver is working on it which we couldn't say about our previous problem 02:07:34 <Rubidium> software 02:07:47 <baldur> i see 02:08:03 <Rubidium> the previous webserver would sometimes kill half the services because it "leaks" memory 02:08:18 <baldur> heh, fun stuff 02:08:22 <baldur> which one was that? 02:08:23 <Rubidium> where the leaking isn't real leaking but some cache that grows to insane sizes (1+ GB) 02:08:40 <Rubidium> that was lighttpd 02:08:44 <baldur> oh, really 02:08:50 <baldur> i thought it was supposed to be so great 02:09:01 <baldur> with youtube running on it and stuff 02:09:29 <Rubidium> youtube doesn't do "fancy" stuff 02:09:40 <Rubidium> like providing svn via http 02:09:45 <glx> youtube runs on apache 02:11:00 <Sacro> youtube sucks balls 02:11:09 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:11:26 <baldur> hmm, i could've sworn that i read somwhere that youtube runs on lighttpd 02:11:38 <baldur> but i'm probably wrong 02:11:44 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 02:12:22 <Sacro> "I have two 32-bit laptops, can I use them as one 64-bit?" 02:12:25 <Sacro> hehe 02:16:01 <baldur> daddara 02:16:02 <baldur> http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/lighttpd/PoweredByLighttpd 02:16:08 <baldur> this list looks pretty valid 02:17:53 <racetrack> $ lynx -head -dump http://www.youtube.com/ 02:17:54 <racetrack> HTTP/1.1 200 OK 02:17:54 <racetrack> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 02:17:19 GMT 02:17:54 <racetrack> Server: Apache 02:18:04 <racetrack> of course who knows what frontend/backend business they have in there 02:18:38 <TinoDidriksen> YouTube uses Apache for front-end fancy stuff, and Lighttpd for serving the actual video files. 02:18:48 <racetrack> there you go 02:18:54 <Rubidium> baldur: all nice, but if you hit the 'sweet spot' where it leaks it will leak and be useless 02:19:21 <TinoDidriksen> http://highscalability.com/youtube-architecture 02:20:09 <baldur> yeah, i wasn't trying to prove you wrong :) 02:21:37 <racetrack> Server: lighttpd-yt/1.4.18 02:21:38 <racetrack> confirmed 02:21:41 <racetrack> not that I doubted :) 02:28:38 <baldur> yay, 100% icelandic translation \o/ 02:28:47 <baldur> just in time for 0.7.0 02:41:56 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@john-michael-murray.um.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:47:51 *** baldur [~balli@1385165295.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15908 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Fix: off-by-one in viewport strings/flags; left + width != right 02:58:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15909 /trunk/src/os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h: 02:58:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15892): Apple, PLEASE do not fill your API with #if !__LP64__. Especially 02:58:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: when another part of your API depends on whether __LP64__ is defined and thus 02:58:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: making it non-trivial to silence the warnings from the undefinedness of __LP64__ 02:58:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: in #if !__LP64__... 03:02:34 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:20 *** gleeb [~gleeb@rps4472.ovh.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:21 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:13:59 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:23:43 *** EoD_ [~eod@ppp-93-104-35-250.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b3/20090314143441]] 03:38:31 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:46:05 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:46:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:49:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet604.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:55 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 04:13:57 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 04:14:04 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:22:12 <Forked> "Be nice to SirkoZ" .. nice patch setting for AIs :D 04:37:53 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 04:41:55 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:18:25 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 05:21:01 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:21:40 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:29:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:31:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:32:50 *** pabmai [iambap@ool-44c56ae4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:48 *** iambap [iambap@ool-44c56ae4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:36:22 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0E8DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:50:43 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.118] has joined #openttd 05:51:32 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.118] has left #openttd [] 05:51:59 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.118] has joined #openttd 05:55:36 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:00:00 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.71] has joined #openttd 06:05:00 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05:03 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 06:17:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:22:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:42 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 06:33:09 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:33:12 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm238.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:36:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 06:38:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:41:02 <dihedral> hi 06:41:13 <Forked> ello 06:41:38 <dihedral> Rubidium, has not TB been working on a rewrite of WT2? 06:43:20 <Rubidium> he hasn't been working on it 06:45:03 <petern> are you suggesting that the huge project that mihamix worked on and couldn't reveal to anyone is... in need of replacement? 06:45:16 <Rubidium> dihedral: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/osx/openttd-custom-r15909M-OSX.zip work? And what version does it show? 06:49:30 <dihedral> Rubidium, i dont have my mac with me at work! 06:49:32 <dihedral> :-( 06:49:44 <dihedral> petern, i had the source of it once, miham gave it to me :-) 06:50:19 <dihedral> but then TB said i need not work on a rewrite of it as i would have done it in php and he wanted to do it in python with django 06:50:28 <dihedral> so i deleted it again 06:51:03 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb32a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 06:51:35 <dihedral> Rubidium, i can test it earliest at like 1800 or 1900 06:51:45 <dihedral> but perhaps planetmaker is awake? 06:52:02 <dihedral> what did you patch it with? 06:52:05 <planetmaker> I'm just downloading it :) 06:52:09 <dihedral> \o/ 06:52:25 <planetmaker> and good morning everyone 06:52:33 <Rubidium> oh, some minor things 06:52:45 <dihedral> like? 06:52:59 <Rubidium> new sdk, new compiler, new linker, new libs 06:53:09 <dihedral> minor HAHA 06:53:12 <Rubidium> some extra targets 06:53:38 <dihedral> pm has an intel 10.5 i think 06:53:40 <Rubidium> as in adds x86_64 and ppc64 binaries 06:53:49 <planetmaker> I have intel 10.4 06:53:55 <dihedral> i can test it for g4 10.4 this evening 06:54:12 <dihedral> @note send dihedral http://rbijker.net/openttd/osx/openttd-custom-r15909M-OSX.zip 06:54:16 <dihedral> :-( 06:54:18 <dihedral> @whoami 06:54:18 <DorpsGek> dihedral: dih 06:54:22 <dihedral> gnah 06:54:32 <planetmaker> :P wrong bot? 06:54:38 <dihedral> @note send dih http://rbijker.net/openttd/osx/openttd-custom-r15909M-OSX.zip 06:54:42 <dihedral> pfft 06:54:52 <dihedral> it's supybot, just does not have the plugin loaded 06:55:28 <Rubidium> blame lighty 06:55:37 <dihedral> eh...? 06:55:44 <dihedral> what does that have to do with lighty? 06:55:48 <planetmaker> well... I cannot run that binary, Rubidium 06:56:04 <planetmaker> Reason: Incompatible library version: openttd requires version 7.0.0 or later, but libiconv.2.dylib provides version 5.0.0 06:56:42 <dihedral> did you install that using mac ports or fink, pm? 06:56:43 <Rubidium> hmm, so we really need to link to the 10.4 SDK 06:57:12 <planetmaker> neither. I dl it from the site which maintains it and compiled it myself 06:57:27 <dihedral> ha! :-) 06:57:46 * dihedral wonders, if he installed esx on an apple x-server, if he could install os x in a vm ^^ 06:59:21 <petern> just drop apple's shit 06:59:44 <planetmaker> :( 07:00:07 <planetmaker> petern: there are at least three windows binaries, too... 07:02:17 <petern> yeah 07:02:26 <petern> and when did they last get special treatment? 07:02:45 <planetmaker> you don't make _one_ binary for all windows versions ;) 07:02:50 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Ð£Ñ ÐŸÐ¶Ñ Ñ ÐŸÑ Ð²Ð°Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 ОлО ÑÑаÑÑе)] 07:03:59 <planetmaker> petern: 2 days or 9 days ago ;) 07:04:39 <planetmaker> @openttd 15818 07:05:18 <planetmaker> and r15893 07:05:46 <petern> 15893: nothing to do with windows 07:06:00 <planetmaker> win32.cpp isn't special for windows? 07:06:41 <petern> 15818: gcc ain't windows 07:07:57 <petern> mm, okay 07:08:06 <petern> but that's not a work around for the system 07:08:17 <petern> anyway 07:08:22 <petern> my next proposal 07:08:28 <petern> just drop microsoft's shit 07:08:41 <planetmaker> :D 07:09:19 <planetmaker> why should there be more than one system architecture anyway? 07:09:21 <dihedral> petern, when does windows NOT get special treatment? 07:09:37 <dihedral> and planetmaker: there are more than 3 builds for os x ;-) 07:09:51 <dihedral> you just only download one dmg and have one app 07:10:05 <petern> the problem is window's variants span 14 years 07:10:18 <petern> OS X variants are span 0.2 minor versions :p 07:10:22 <petern> -are 07:10:44 <dihedral> ^^ 07:11:12 <petern> oh, and two windows variants are basically 32/64 bit 07:11:16 <dihedral> and now check how long ms needs to release a major version 07:11:24 <dihedral> in that time, os x had how many minor versions? 07:11:25 <dihedral> ^^ 07:11:46 <petern> correction 07:11:50 <dihedral> + if windows ran on ppc, you'd have more variants for windows too 07:11:54 <petern> in that time, os x had how many incompatible minor versions? 07:12:18 <dihedral> in what way "incompatible"? 07:12:20 <dihedral> ^^ 07:12:53 <dihedral> i am sure, you can, in the same way find incompatabilities between 3 windows releases 07:13:10 <dihedral> s/same/similar/ 07:13:26 <petern> not really 07:14:31 <petern> just older versions missing features that we use in the newer versions 07:16:24 <planetmaker> 10.3 ... 10.5 = three major versions 07:16:34 <petern> 10 = major 07:16:41 <petern> 0.3 ... 0.5 == three minor versions 07:18:07 <planetmaker> petern: not really 07:18:18 <planetmaker> they just stick to ten as X = 10 = ten 07:18:58 <planetmaker> besides, you should know that versioning is a rather subjective thing ;) 07:20:56 <planetmaker> differences are as big as Win98 -> win NT -> win 2000 -> win xp 07:21:19 <Rubidium> not really 07:21:35 <Rubidium> what works in WinNT does still work in WinXP 07:21:54 <Rubidium> what works in OSX 10.3 does not necessarily work in 10.5 07:22:04 <petern> what works in win 98 usually works in vista 07:22:13 <dihedral> what worked in 98 does not necessarily work in 2k or xp 07:22:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 07:22:46 <planetmaker> depends on how much compatibility layers you drag around ;) 07:22:55 <dihedral> planetmaker, CLASSIC 07:23:01 <dihedral> :-D 07:23:05 <Yexo> morning 07:23:11 <dihedral> hello Yexo 07:23:12 <planetmaker> morning Yexo 07:23:20 <Rubidium> planetmaker: so EVERY application must make it's own compatability layers? 07:23:38 <planetmaker> doesn't sound like the way to go, Rubidium :) 07:23:47 <Forked> needs some compatability between layer 7 and 8 at least.. 07:24:41 <petern> a big spike 07:25:22 <dihedral> Forked, aye 07:28:39 <planetmaker> but at some stage it can IMO be argued that given a big enough version difference, two systems can be considered quite different :) 07:29:00 <Rubidium> yes, but 0.1 release? 07:30:08 <Rubidium> you must deliberately build with an OLDER "platform SDK" to make it work on older releases; building and linking against 10.5 doesn't make it work in 10.4 07:30:12 <planetmaker> from one version to another: I concur, one should be able to continue using user-side programmes 07:30:48 <planetmaker> The latter (you need to use the older SDK) makes somewhat sense to me... 07:32:39 <Rubidium> the latest SDK for windows still makes binaries that work fine on Windows 2000 07:32:50 <planetmaker> and win98? 07:32:52 <dihedral> Rubidium, compared to win, you do know that osx releases a vast amount of 0.0.1 versions 07:33:43 <Rubidium> dihedral: so does Microsoft in essence, only they bundle them as "new" less often 07:34:09 <Rubidium> those 0.0.1 versions are just MS Service Packs Light 07:34:33 <dihedral> well.... call them as you wish 07:36:00 <Rubidium> it's just that apple really likes to exaggerate with their new features 07:36:42 <dihedral> ^^ 07:36:52 <dihedral> and windows copies from apples features :-D 07:37:08 <Rubidium> they all copy eachothers features 07:38:14 <planetmaker> IMO the 0.0.1 are the regular updates + security fixes. but the 0.1 are the major versions - which you pay for. Like any other non-free os 07:39:16 <Rubidium> e.g. bootcamp in Leopard is counted as at least 7 features 07:40:31 <Rubidium> bootcamp, some bootcamp installer, copy files between bootcamps, bootcamp uninstaller, MS signed drivers for bootcamp, bootcamp keyboard mapping, bootcamp shortcut 07:42:12 <Rubidium> wikipedia filtering? wtf? 07:43:04 <Rubidium> hmm... leopard introduced printing? You couldn't print with the versions before? 07:43:32 <Rubidium> :O 6 "features" are new screensavers... good way to keep your feature count up 07:43:43 <dihedral> :-D 07:44:16 <Rubidium> hmm... leopard introduced backing up? You couldn't back up with the versions before? 07:44:36 <Rubidium> damn... MS must have stolen that idea from Apple 07:44:46 <Rubidium> ... back in say 1995 07:45:48 <Rubidium> "Leopard is the first mainstream operating system to completely and seamlessly support both 32-bit and 64-bit applications on the same platform" <- WHAHAHAHAHAH... NOT FOR DEVELOPERS OFCOURSE! 07:46:48 <Forked> so.. what distro should I install at home. (it's the gaming computer, so it needs GUI) 07:47:26 <Rubidium> hmm... then there's this 'ld' application of cctools that... doesn't work with the libraries supplied with the same xcode 07:47:39 <Rubidium> Forked: depends on the kind of games I reckon 07:48:25 <Forked> openttd, x3: reunion (the ported to linux one) and probably whatever else I can find that looks fun :) 07:49:34 <Rubidium> though generally probably something like ubuntu, suse or fedora 07:50:10 <Forked> I was considering ubuntu or fedora.. leaning on ubuntu 07:50:21 <Forked> I still have a grudge against red hat after RH9 (and 5.2) 07:53:13 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:53:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:13 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I've uploaded a new zip for you to test on 10.4 07:58:24 <planetmaker> same link? 07:58:28 <Rubidium> yes 08:03:55 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:32 <planetmaker> that works and calls itself r15909M-32-LE 08:05:05 <planetmaker> any particular tests required? It loads a trunk save just fine. 08:05:40 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 08:08:20 <petern> Forked, debian, obviously 08:08:42 <Forked> it's not obvious to me 08:09:00 <Forked> but I know for sure I'm not a gentoo person 08:16:11 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs5.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:18:42 <dihedral> gentoo is nice ^^ 08:22:18 <petern> no it's not 08:24:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180226130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:24:11 <dihedral> to to a windows-clicker no 08:24:23 <dihedral> :-P 08:24:33 <dihedral> but you'd probably consider vista 'nice' and i would not ^^ 08:29:30 <petern> ... 08:29:37 <petern> i use linux 08:29:38 <petern> idiot 08:30:16 <Forked> windows is and will always be haunted by crappy drivers and things that do not work all that well together.. and it will all be blamed on MS :) 08:31:29 <Ammler> morning, looks like nice talk here :-) 08:31:29 <petern> of course, vista does work perfectly well for me (on intel) 08:31:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: for 32-LE there isn't much to test ;) 08:32:18 <planetmaker> Basically trunk, I assume? 08:33:33 <Rubidium> yes 08:33:43 <Rubidium> with some modifications to make 64 bits apple work 08:33:53 <Rubidium> primarily disabling stuff like quicktime 08:36:11 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:25 * planetmaker wonders how much 64 bit 10.4 is... presumably not much 08:39:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15910 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_company.hpp ai_map.hpp ai_tunnel.hpp): -Fix [FS#2777]: Clarify that TILE_INVALID is part of AIMap make doxygen output some documentation for it. 08:39:50 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 08:40:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: not enough 08:41:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:33 <Rubidium> it doesn't have a 64 bits variant of the (I think) most used APIs like Carbon 08:44:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm238.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45:34 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:57:45 <planetmaker> I also think it's true. Most 64 bit support is afaik only added in 10.5. And some might still be even missing there. 08:58:31 <Rubidium> yeah, quicktime doesn't have a 64 bits variant 08:58:40 <Rubidium> and it probably won't have one either 08:58:57 <Rubidium> I'm even wondering whether 10.6 will have quicktime support 08:59:03 <planetmaker> No idea :) 08:59:12 <Rubidium> might be a feature ;) 08:59:14 <planetmaker> But my bet is it will 09:00:10 <planetmaker> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/07/a_peek_at_apples_new_quicktime_x_interface.html 09:02:25 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 09:03:14 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 09:03:53 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 09:06:11 * planetmaker thinks to get snow leopard, when it gets shipped ;) - but I wonder also, if dual boot is supported... 09:07:40 <Rubidium> isn't that what bootcamp is for? 09:08:31 <planetmaker> maybe :) I never used it as I preferred to use windows in a VM, if needed 09:08:59 <planetmaker> though I thought bootcamp provided mainly support for windows - but may work for other parallel installs, too 09:09:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:11:17 <Rubidium> QuickTime 7.2.1 is intended to support Mac OS X v10.5. As such, this version does not support Mac OS X v10.3.9 and higher; Mac OS X v10.4.9 and higher, or Microsoft Windows. <- me no understand; <= 10.3.8 is supported the rest isn't? 09:15:12 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:24 <Rubidium> oh... Apple "supports" QuickTime for 64 bits 09:19:43 <Rubidium> it just requires using QTKit 09:19:52 <Rubidium> which isn't available at 10.3.9 09:20:42 * Rubidium wonders how many APIs needed to be rewritten to support 64 bits Windows compilation 09:20:51 <Rubidium> s/API/API calls/ 09:21:53 <Rubidium> so... who's going to write qtkitmidi? 09:21:58 * planetmaker isn't even sure whether I want to know that... 09:22:17 <planetmaker> (the number of re-written API - calls) 09:23:49 <Rubidium> WHAT???... 64 bits support for windows didn't require the use of different API calls? 09:24:58 <planetmaker> he :) compile for new variable type and be done? ;) 09:25:46 <Rubidium> well, for WIN64 most changes are of the #if defined(WIN32) -> #if defined(WIN32) || defined(WIN64) kind 09:26:08 <petern> how many API call changes were needed for unix-style OSes? 09:26:10 <Rubidium> which I assume is simpler than lets say use another API 09:26:14 <petern> oh, silly question 09:33:12 <Rubidium> hmm, some parts of qtkit are available for 10.3 09:40:02 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 09:40:30 <bobo_b> hi 09:40:51 <bobo_b> how do i set the map size for a dedicated server? 09:41:19 <bobo_b> i can't seem to find an option in the config file and the wiki page doesn't say anything about it either 09:42:00 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 09:42:10 <Ammler> bobo_b: let me wiki that for you: http://wiki.openttd.org/Map_size 09:44:15 <Ammler> hmm, why does someone add a "stub" template? quite annoying lazy 09:45:23 <Ammler> same like "!connect" signs on our public server ;-) 09:45:34 <bobo_b> oh wow, oops, sorry 09:46:15 <bobo_b> thanks Ammler, i did a (lazy) search for 'size' on the opennttd.cfg page and didn't find it... 09:46:22 <bobo_b> now i know why :) 09:46:47 <Ammler> search for "map" brings you there quite fast 09:48:00 <bobo_b> yep 09:48:08 <bobo_b> didn't think that far i guess 09:48:10 <bobo_b> :/ 09:48:22 <Ammler> (stub removed) 09:50:25 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 09:50:42 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:58 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:01 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 10:00:52 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:07:43 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-19.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:07:58 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 10:08:43 <TrueBrain> Dead all; after a rough week fighting with cherokee we come to the conclusion it is too buggy, and there is too little feedback upstream about what is going on and when something will be fixed; therefor we will be reverting back to lighttpd now 10:11:04 <TrueBrain> k, done; please let me know any openttd.org webpage glitches 10:15:12 <petern> seems to work 10:16:16 *** Hendikins|SRA412 is now known as Hendikins 10:17:24 <Rubidium> :O typo of the day ;) 10:17:34 <petern> hmm? 10:17:44 <Rubidium> "Dead all;" 10:17:54 <TrueBrain> oops :) 10:17:55 <petern> oh 10:17:58 <petern> didn't notice :o 10:18:03 <TrueBrain> well, that was of course a joka, ha ha 10:18:06 <TrueBrain> (euhm) 10:20:13 <petern> :D 10:21:40 <petern> so how quickly does lighttpd exhaust memory? 10:22:02 <petern> is a daily cronjob restart enough to work around it? 10:22:20 <TrueBrain> sometimes 10:22:24 <TrueBrain> depends on how busy things are 10:22:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: can you switch 'stats' back to lighttpd please? 10:22:42 <petern> i guess it's request-based rather than time-based 10:22:49 <TrueBrain> exactly :) 10:23:04 <petern> monitor the logs and restart after x-requests ;) 10:23:12 <petern> me so silly 10:23:15 <petern> hmm 10:23:23 <petern> i do have a daily restart for amavis 10:23:28 <petern> though i don't know if it's needed any more 10:25:35 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: done 10:27:50 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 10:42:27 <planetmaker> hehe, petern - nice OpenLoco thing :D 10:43:50 <dihedral> a TrueBrain ^^ 10:45:49 <TrueBrain> dihedral: no, check the date, impossible that I am here 10:46:11 <dihedral> i never claimed you were here, did i now ^^ 10:53:02 <petern> hmm? 10:53:50 <petern> bah, thunderbird locked up 10:55:02 <TrueBrain> slap it open! 11:01:28 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:44 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:38 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.245] has joined #openttd 11:21:23 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:00 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:28:35 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:31:13 <Ammler> nice new feature fo opera: http://labs.opera.com/news/2009/04/01/ 11:35:41 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:14 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.145] has joined #openttd 11:39:36 <dihedral> Ammler, now picture school computer laps in 2 years time! 11:39:44 <dihedral> :-P 11:39:54 <Ammler> :-D 11:41:44 *** pavel [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:42:56 <Forked> haha 11:47:12 <TrueBrain> I like that you can get youtube in flip mode 11:47:15 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:16 <TrueBrain> even text is flipped :) 11:51:34 <Forked> now combine that with the thing they had last year.. and you get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&flip=1 11:53:57 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 11:55:20 <Sacro> zomg 11:56:18 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:44 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.145] has joined #openttd 12:01:47 *** pavel is now known as pavel1269 12:08:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:21:34 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.99.2] has joined #openttd 12:22:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.213.55] has joined #openttd 12:25:46 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:47 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 12:27:15 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:27:22 <Pikka> JAPES 12:36:58 <dihedral> ? 12:39:01 <Pikka> HIJINKS! 12:39:20 <Pikka> "openloco" 12:39:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:40:03 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 12:40:49 <Forked> what day is today .. it's nibblers birthday .. 12:47:29 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:25 *** taisteluorava [~orava@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:53:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.161.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:00 <dihedral> lookes like it's Pikka's "shout-aloud-day" 13:03:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb32a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:04:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:19 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.202.121] has joined #openttd 13:06:55 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@gprs9.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 13:07:55 *** ctibor [~ctibor@gprs5.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:24 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226214209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:44 *** iambap [iambap@ool-44c56ae4.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:09 *** pabmai [iambap@ool-44c56ae4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:20:20 *** Alyr [~a4farmar@dsl4E5C5F62.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:21:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180226130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:51 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:22:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet674.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:23:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:57 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-149.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:28:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.39] has joined #openttd 13:41:34 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-149.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 13:46:59 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.99.2] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 13:47:11 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:51:16 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.202.121] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15911 /trunk/src/lang/ (icelandic.txt unfinished/serbian.txt): 13:51:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-01 13:51:05 13:51:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: icelandic - 27 fixed, 11 changed by scrooge (38) 13:51:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 37 fixed by etran (37) 13:56:09 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 14:00:44 *** pavel [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:46 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:43 *** Condac [~condac@s83-191-224-165.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 14:08:51 *** pavel is now known as pavel1269 14:09:36 <Condac> anyone tested openttd on powerpc? 14:11:29 <petern> do you have a problem with it? 14:12:23 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 14:12:23 <Condac> not yet, im installing ubunto on my ps3 to run some snes and stuff on it, and was interested if openttd might work also 14:13:07 <petern> well 14:13:16 <petern> you'd have to try it 14:13:25 <petern> powerpc covers a bit more than ps3... 14:13:43 <petern> morphos, mac os x, linux, etc... 14:13:57 <Condac> i will test it, just have to finnish the installation, it seems to stuck at the moment 14:14:46 <glx> if it compiles, it should work :) 14:15:35 <Rubidium> even then... what powerpc cpu ;) 14:16:14 <Rubidium> there're quite a bit and compiling for the wrong one will make it not working 14:17:51 <Rubidium> openttd 0.6.3 is known to compile on Debian under alpha, amd64, armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390 and sparc 14:19:24 <Condac> im just working through the "the installer will hang at 6% for 20mminutes"-bug at the moment will get back with results later 14:19:34 <petern> heh 14:20:09 <bobo_b> i can't seem to open the ingame console, is it not ~? 14:20:28 <Rubidium> it's usually the key below 'escape' 14:20:54 <Condac> try ö if you have swedish board 14:21:00 <Sacro> or § on a macbook 14:21:06 <bobo_b> oh ok, ^ works 14:21:13 <Rubidium> otherwise you can try the right most button of the toolbar; that sub menu has an option to open the console 14:21:13 <bobo_b> though the wiki says 'Open the console with the tilde key (~)' 14:22:31 <Rubidium> then that part of the wiki is uhm... not 100% true 14:25:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15912 /branches/0.7/ (24 files in 7 dirs): 14:25:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 14:25:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Update: lots and lots of translations 14:25:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Chat completion got called twice causing tab completion to seemingly fail (r15905) 14:25:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:16 <Belugas> snes? what is a snes ? 14:25:31 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:36 <el_en> Belugas: super nintendo entertainment system 14:25:38 <Belugas> mmh... conference call about to start. from bed.. nice 14:25:49 <Belugas> thanks el_en 14:27:46 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja49.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:31:11 <bobo_b> erm 14:31:28 <Forked> hi supernintendo chalmers! 14:31:42 <bobo_b> how can i save the game on my dedicated server, so that i can stop the server and restart it with the saved game? 14:35:05 <planetmaker> bobo_b: join as client, save it locally :) 14:35:16 <planetmaker> or in the console use 'save <gamename>' 14:35:43 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 14:36:07 <bobo_b> well if i save it on the client side, i would have to copy it to the server to restart the server with that savegamge, right? 14:36:11 <Ammler> hmm, exit might be a autopilot command? 14:36:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15913 /tags/0.7.0/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Release: not the April Fools' edition of OpenTTD. 14:36:24 <bobo_b> well, the save X in the console seems to save it on the client side 14:36:31 <Forked> hah 14:36:45 <Ammler> bobo_b: rcon save .... 14:36:58 <Forked> no announcement on forum yet!?!?1+1+one :p 14:37:39 <Rubidium> you haven't made one yet, right? 14:37:46 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you're making a good joke? :) 14:38:05 <dihedral> Ammler, exit is yes, quit is not ^^ 14:38:23 * Forked has not done a thing ..ever :\ 14:39:02 <dihedral> Forked, eleven 14:39:26 <HerzogDeXtEr> hey, is it possible to to lock the build key for industries in the szenario editor? so you can build more industries of one type without clicking on build 14:40:10 <dihedral> yes it's possible 14:40:21 <dihedral> if you modify the source a little bit ^^ 14:40:23 <Rubidium> enabling the make building tools persistent? 14:40:25 <HerzogDeXtEr> hmm 14:43:53 *** baldur [~balli@1385165295.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:44:42 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37E802.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:52 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@212.99.255.41] has joined #openttd 14:52:06 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:07:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o petern] by ChanServ 15:09:52 *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence 15:10:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EDC3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:30 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@gprs9.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:11:32 *** ctibor_ [~ctibor@gprs9.vodafone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:35 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:35 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 15:17:16 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:31 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:44 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:03 *** Alyr [~a4farmar@dsl4E5C5F62.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 15:26:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm238.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:40:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:55 <el_en> btw, what made UK pick the PAL standard for colour tv, which is -- omg -- (almost) the same as in the rest of western europe. 15:48:03 <petern> cos a standard is handy 15:48:15 <petern> albeit standards with differences... 15:48:39 <Pikka> a handard is standy 15:48:50 <petern> TaI! 15:48:58 <Pikka> TaI! 15:48:59 *** Wil^3 [~Wil@ip70-173-170-47.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 15:49:26 <Pikka> TaI + evilav8 = planesaren'tmoneyprintingmachines(hopefully) ;) 15:50:13 <Pikka> + newgrfports = o-o 15:50:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c343c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:52:36 <glx> el_en: PAL is not standard here 15:52:44 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:52:45 <Wil^3> I have a question for the devs that is completely unrelated to OpenTTD but related to the Squirrel scripting language I was told is used in OpenTTD. *whistles* 15:53:41 * planetmaker whistles, too 15:54:07 * glx waits 15:54:16 * Pikka whistles three 15:54:33 <Rubidium> you have to whistle harder and longer 15:54:41 * Wil^3 's lungs pop 15:54:41 <petern> red squirrels work better than grey 15:54:55 <Rubidium> *WHISTLE* *WHISTLE* *YEXO* *WHISTLE* *WHISTLE* 15:55:12 <Pikka> petern enjoys a good squirrel every now and then 15:55:14 <Wil^3> Well, I suppose the best place to start is... is it just me or do the squirrel docs really suck? The headers aren't even commented. :( 15:55:29 <Yexo> squirrel docs do suck 15:55:29 <glx> it's not just you :) 15:55:37 <Yexo> and not only the docs, the code too 15:55:37 <glx> squirrel code is worse 15:56:22 <Wil^3> lol 15:56:27 <Wil^3> Why is it used, then? 15:57:03 <Rubidium> it's basically the only one that meets requirements 15:57:05 <glx> because it does what we want 15:57:37 * Wil^3 nods 15:57:56 * Yexo is gone, highlight me if there are specific questions, I'll read them in tonight (like in 5 hours or so) 15:58:25 <Rubidium> Yexo: nice joke :) 15:59:04 <el_en> glx: i know.. i was about to add "most of" somewhere in my sentence, but didn't. 16:00:09 <Wil^3> Okay, so for my actual question... given that the docs are so horrible I can't seem to find any functions, save for the function that can be used in the script, that allows me to wake up a suspended script. What would make most sense is if when I called it again it would automatically wake up, but.. it doesn't. Have any of you worked with squirrels theads/coop (almost complete lack of) features? 16:00:22 <el_en> glx: but whattabout DVDs and digital tv, are those PAL? 16:00:32 <glx> they are 16:00:41 <glx> SECAM is used for broadcasting :) 16:01:19 <el_en> did anyone demand using SECAM on DVDs too? 16:01:33 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.33] has joined #openttd 16:01:46 <petern> ... 16:02:16 <petern> you know that PAL on DVD refers only to resolution and frame rate, right? 16:02:37 <frosch123> also aspect ratio 16:02:45 <petern> nope 16:02:50 <petern> werll 16:02:52 <frosch123> no? :( 16:03:25 <frosch123> I was told NTSC has rectangular (non-square) pixels 16:03:37 <el_en> petern: yes, so? 16:03:59 <el_en> I thought PAL "has" non-square pixels too. 16:04:09 <petern> SECAM is 625 lines 16:04:12 <petern> PAL is 625 lines... 16:04:22 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has joined #openttd 16:04:23 <petern> it would be the same 16:04:25 <el_en> "has" in quotes because analogue PAL doesn't really have pixels. 16:04:29 <glx> PAL is B/W on SECAM tv 16:04:30 <petern> non-square has nothing to do with it 16:05:47 <el_en> petern: but the DVD player must output the image as PAL that is more PAL than just resolution and framerate. why couldn't this output be SECAM as well? 16:05:58 <el_en> technically 16:06:03 <petern> ... 16:06:10 <baldur> the dvd player doesn' t output PAL or SECAM signals 16:06:14 <petern> i've never seen a DVD player with PAL signal 16:06:29 <baldur> it works with RGB over SCART, component etc. 16:06:30 <petern> they're either composite, component or SCART 16:06:46 <Pikka> ehhh... shit :3 I'm stupid... 16:07:01 <petern> lies 16:07:16 <el_en> RGB is an exception, but please explain why composite wouldn't need to be either PAL or NTSC or some other format. 16:07:16 <Pikka> vehicles have no persistent storage... 7D is global... >_>;;; 16:07:37 <petern> var 25 is as close as you get :/ 16:07:44 <Pikka> hmm 16:07:49 <petern> feature request! 16:07:49 <Wil^3> Ahh, guess not. :( 16:07:50 <Pikka> var 25! good point! :o 16:08:06 <Pikka> feature request = var 7C for vehicles tyvm D; 16:08:18 <Pikka> although since you've moved over to openlomo I guess there's not much chance. ;) 16:08:41 <Pikka> var 25 /might/ just do the trick. :o 16:08:48 <gleeb> Openlomo? O.o 16:09:08 <Pikka> erm 16:09:09 <baldur> el_en: as I understand it, the component signal is the same for PAL/SECAM and NTCS, the only difference is the number of lines 16:09:18 <Pikka> property 25, not var 25. :P 16:09:38 <baldur> whereas the broadcasting signal for PAL and SECAM is different, altough they use the same number of lines 16:10:08 <Pikka> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=42617 gleeb 16:10:19 <el_en> baldur: component might be, but *composite* definitely is not. composite is the most common type of signal that virtually all tvs and monitors can handle. 16:10:34 <baldur> oh, i meant composite :p 16:10:36 <baldur> sorry 16:11:06 <gleeb> ty pikka 16:11:27 <gleeb> Oh, awesome, openlomo. :D 16:11:50 <el_en> baldur: well, ever tried viewing NTSC DVD with a tv that only supports PAL? 16:12:03 <Pikka> *cough*april1*cough* 16:12:04 <petern> it won't work 16:12:08 <petern> because the timings are wrong 16:12:15 <el_en> correct. 16:12:16 <petern> however 16:12:18 <petern> a DVD *player* 16:12:34 <petern> can quite easily output NTSC or PAL or SECAM composite 16:12:41 <el_en> second question; ever tried viewing an NTSC DVD with a tv that only supports PAL, but can sync also to 60 Hz? 16:12:43 <petern> regardless of the actual DVD in use 16:13:08 <gleeb> Pikka: Yeah, I saw the post date. I downloaded it anyway, to see what the joke was. 16:13:44 <el_en> petern: well, as far as i know it is not a very common feature that a DVD *player* would do such a conversion. the good old Dxr3/H+ card did, which was nice. 16:13:49 <petern> wrong 16:13:54 <baldur> humm, there's a long time since I looked into those things so I can't say... 16:13:57 <petern> DVDs are MPEG 16:14:04 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc151-203.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 16:14:19 <petern> output NTSC or PAL 'encoded' video requires faffing 16:14:24 <petern> *outputing 16:14:41 <petern> it's quite common for a DVD to support rescaling 16:14:46 <petern> they have frame buffers you know 16:15:07 <petern> things like anisotropic... zoom... etc... 16:15:35 <petern> it's not like a video tape where the raw signal goes straight from the tape to the telly 16:15:48 <petern> (even then that doesn't happen, heh) 16:16:07 <el_en> petern: ok, well, at least the two of us do agree that the signal on composite _is_ either PAL or NTSC (or theoretically something else), right. 16:16:29 <gleeb> There's no such thing as an NTSC or PAL DVD, just a design specification to specify the output. If you ignore the spec, suddenly, any DVD works anywhere. 16:17:03 <otih> openttd released and in some minutes/hours in gentoo tree ..... for all who wanna test it now: http://repo.or.cz/w/otih-overlay.git?a=blob;f=games-simulation/openttd/openttd-0.7.0.ebuild 16:17:25 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 16:17:58 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has joined #openttd 16:18:23 <el_en> gleeb: But if your DVD player does not support the conversion, like many don't, you are in a situation where you cannot play back your NTSC DVD with that hardware even if it isn't really-really NTSC. 16:19:00 <gleeb> el_en: Yay for profiteering :D 16:19:32 <el_en> definition of "to play back" = "to see picture with colors, and with synchronization" 16:21:10 <petern> there is no "conversion" 16:21:15 <petern> well 16:21:46 <petern> anyway 16:21:51 <petern> nobody hooks DVD players up with composite 16:22:02 <el_en> gleeb: it's not profiteering. the result in the end from the user's perspective is the same; some discs can and some cannot be played back with given hardware. so there are two kinds of discs, labelled "NTSC" and "PAL". 16:22:02 *** Pinchiukas [~ne@www.rikoma.lt] has joined #openttd 16:22:09 <petern> all the cheap ones are SCART, and expensive ones you'd use SCART or component 16:22:38 <el_en> err, SCART is a connector, not a signal. one of the signals SCART carries is composite. 16:22:46 <petern> RGB scart 16:23:08 <el_en> yeah. though not all cheap TVs support RGB. 16:23:12 <petern> all DVD players i've seen have a selector for PAL, PAL-60 and NTSC output on composite 16:23:57 <el_en> petern: btw, my DVD player is hooked to my tv with scart composite :( 16:24:31 <petern> poor you :p 16:26:15 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37EBBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:17 <el_en> petern: the tv has RGB too, but there's a lot of ghost image stuff on the red channel, so it's not usable. 16:26:54 <petern> tried different cables? 16:27:21 <el_en> i did, and other devices besides the dvd player... 16:27:36 <gleeb> el_en: The NTSC/PAL divide is artifical at best with modern technology. It's maintainence can only be in the name of profit. 16:29:21 <el_en> gleeb: only in the name of profit, and not in the name of conforming to the DVD standard so that earlier players can play today's discs. 16:30:19 <gleeb> Now you're getting it :D 16:30:57 <gleeb> Besides, isn't this the HD era? Aren't we all meant to be on HDDVD and Bluray by now? 16:31:56 <baldur> or youtube and hulu? :p 16:32:52 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc151-203.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 16:32:54 <TinoDidriksen> Physical media are outdated in general. 16:33:00 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37E802.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb32a.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:05 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 16:34:38 <petern> well 16:34:46 <petern> we are all meant to buy HD-DVD and then have to switch to Bluray 16:35:20 <glx> HD-DVD is dead :) 16:35:33 <petern> exactly 16:35:41 <petern> s/are/were/ 16:35:52 <glx> and the cheaper BRD player is the PS3 16:36:11 <baldur> no way :O 16:36:24 <baldur> so you're telling my my Betamax to HD-DVD Converter is of no use? :( 16:36:28 <baldur> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/betamaxhd.html 16:36:54 <petern> heheh 16:37:14 <SmatZ> converting data from one dead technology to another :-p 16:37:37 <glx> betamax was/is used by professionnals 16:37:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:38:18 <glx> anyway now it's all digital 16:39:02 <el_en> but afaik the professional betamax is not very much the same as the betamax marketed to normal consumers in the past. 16:43:03 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 16:54:37 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:03:46 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has left #openttd [] 17:04:46 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37EBBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 17:05:05 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37EBBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:27 <el_en> eh, tried connecting my dvd player with s-video. if the s-video cable is connected even just to the player, both composite and s-video are b/w on the tv. 17:06:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:06:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:08:15 <el_en> haj, B 17:09:04 <Bjarni> HAJ!!! 17:09:11 * Bjarni gets out of the water 17:10:12 * Belugas is just behind, removing his mask 17:10:23 <Pinchiukas> Is there a way to filter out servers with other versions of ottd than mine? 17:10:44 <glx> why ? 17:11:08 <glx> compatible servers are on top of the list 17:11:17 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:11:50 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:51 <Belugas> Bjarni, will you please get out of the ladder, i need to climb aboard! 17:11:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:06 <Pinchiukas> glx: despite what I sort them by? 17:16:08 * Bjarni climbs up and removes the ladder 17:17:41 * Belugas takes his knife, punches a hole in one of the bladders and checks Bjarni drawning 17:18:09 <Bjarni> ? 17:18:27 <Belugas> check for zodiac ^_^ 17:18:46 <Belugas> usualyy that's what we use when we're diving :D 17:18:51 <Bjarni> I don't get drawning :( 17:18:58 <Rubidium> you draw while drowning? 17:19:09 <Rubidium> or drown while drawing 17:19:16 <Belugas> ho... 17:19:18 <Belugas> bummer 17:19:20 <petern> home time 17:19:21 <Belugas> couler! 17:19:33 <Belugas> drowning indeed 17:20:01 <Bjarni> but I'm not in the water. You mean that I'm drowning in mid air? 17:24:03 <otih> Belugas, Rubidium: openttd will get in gentoo tree today night or tomorrow .... i have a ebuild here: http://repo.or.cz/w/otih-overlay.git?a=blob;f=games-simulation/openttd/openttd-0.7.0.ebuild 17:24:06 <Belugas> if you were on the water, and you were gettiung out, you must be OR near the border or near a boat 17:24:35 <Belugas> using a ladder would actually means a boat 17:24:48 <Belugas> otih good :) 17:25:00 <Belugas> i guess Rubidium would be happier than me ;) 17:25:18 <otih> hehe, why? ;) 17:25:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:25:59 <Wolf01> hello 17:26:31 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:27:43 <Rubidium> otih: those scenarios are probably pointless; you can download them from in-game if you want 17:27:59 <Rubidium> furthermore it doesn't allow you to chose between allegro and sdl 17:28:16 <Rubidium> and it doesn't allow you to chose between allegro and timidity 17:28:27 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 17:29:38 <Rubidium> also line 113-119 are lies 17:30:02 <Rubidium> 108-109 aren't the complete truth either 17:30:02 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:11 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:30:44 <Rubidium> and where's icu? 17:31:03 <Rubidium> and why only 4 platforms? it should run on much more 17:34:40 <Condac> openttd works without sound on ps3 in ubuntu 8.1, running 0.6.2 that was in the built-in package installer 17:35:04 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D59F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:24 <gleeb> OpenTTD on PS3? Ouch. 17:35:52 <gleeb> You could always convert OpenTTD to C#/XNA and get it running on the 360. 17:36:12 <Condac> im updating some alsa packages so sound will hopefully work also soon 17:36:17 <Rubidium> convert? 17:36:53 <Rubidium> you could always convert your Ship to run on rails? 17:36:56 <gleeb> Rubidium: Take the code, throw it away because it's nothing like how XNA works, and rewrite from scrath. You know. 'Convert' 17:37:42 <Rubidium> yeah, with that terminology otih should 'convert' his ebuild 17:38:11 <gleeb> To a deb? :P 17:38:25 <Rubidium> no, to another ebuild 17:40:48 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D59F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:08 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D59F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:18 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D59F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:41:35 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37EBBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:48 <petern> dpkg - warning: downgrading openttd from 0.7.0-RC2 to 0.7.0. 17:41:49 <petern> hehe 17:42:11 <Rubidium> woohooo! 17:42:26 <blathijs> petern: That should have been versioned 0.7.0~rc2 17:42:52 <petern> well 17:42:55 <petern> wasn't me who made it ;) 17:43:14 <petern> crap, i don't have all the grfs i use :p 17:43:22 <Bjarni> :p 17:43:37 <Bjarni> you should have them somewhere... if you used them before 17:44:25 <petern> different machine, but yesa 17:44:44 <petern> this content service is nice, however ;) 17:50:15 <Bjarni> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16872-masturbation-could-bring-hay-fever-relief-for-men.html <-- interesting article 17:50:52 <petern> just as well you're a wanker, eh? 17:51:00 <petern> hmm 17:51:06 <petern> that sounds a bit harsh :p 17:51:12 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@gprs9.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:27 <Bjarni> well I guess I better consider it now for health issues 17:52:06 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@gprs1.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 17:55:03 <otih> Rubidium: ok ;) i will fix this 18:02:31 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37E921.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:04 <petern> so, is there any way of having lighttpd proxy without trying to buffer the content? 18:04:33 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37E921.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:05:30 <otih> Rubidium: ping 18:07:48 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:26 * petern redirects it instead 18:11:05 <petern> hmm, that works :D 18:14:35 <el_en> oh my, this Enterprise series depicts the universe in a very primitive stage -- most aliens don't speak English yet. 18:15:12 <baldur> what about the humans? 18:15:20 <baldur> do they speak alianse? 18:15:35 <el_en> a human translator does. 18:26:13 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0E038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:37 <Rubidium> otih: pang 18:28:13 <otih> http://repo.or.cz/w/otih-overlay.git?a=blob;f=games-simulation/openttd/openttd-0.7.0.ebuild;h=7c52ac846959ce788d53743f1b0f2374d39e568a;hb=10848b0ce1d6d79822a02df6afb83da03e3b9cde 18:28:17 <otih> better? 18:29:30 <Rubidium> yup 18:29:42 <Rubidium> still misses libicu / allegro 18:31:07 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:31:33 <otih> i dont have media-libs/allegro installed .... waht is it for? 18:32:37 <Rubidium> allegro is basically the same as sdl, just a different implementation 18:32:54 <Rubidium> though it also has a midi implementation 18:32:59 <otih> ok, i can choose between both? 18:33:04 <Rubidium> yes 18:33:19 <otih> and if allegro is installed i dont need alsa? 18:33:29 <otih> öh, forget it ;) 18:33:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb32a.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:33:47 <Rubidium> why would you need alsa anyways? 18:37:11 <Rubidium> sdl can also use e.g. arts, dsp and esd 18:39:16 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D572.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:22 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D572.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:39:47 <dihedral> Rubidium, you still need me to test your custom osx build? 18:40:05 <Rubidium> what version + cpu do you have? 18:40:15 <dihedral> 10.4 ppc g4 18:40:32 <dihedral> 10.4.11 to be precise 18:40:51 <Rubidium> that should likely work, but it's untested. So please test http://rbijker.net/openttd/osx/openttd-custom-r15909M-OSX.zip 18:41:02 <Rubidium> should get version 32-BE 18:41:36 <dihedral> yep 18:41:45 <dihedral> need me to check anything else? 18:42:07 <Rubidium> not in particular; the rest should work as before 18:42:13 <dihedral> kk 18:44:13 *** Aygar [~dupontct@160.129.129.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:09 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:11 <bobo_b> hi 18:45:32 <bobo_b> i am trying to run a dedicated server on a mac 18:46:03 <bobo_b> i started it while logged in and it worked just fine, but now that i am logged out and trying to start it over ssh i get a Bus Error 18:46:40 <bobo_b> anyone know why? 18:47:07 <el_en> you've a good time to ask, because Bjarni is here. 18:47:08 <dihedral> how are you starting it? 18:47:11 <el_en> +chosen 18:48:16 <dihedral> bobo_b, how are you starting openttd, which version of openttd, when are you getting the bus error 18:48:28 <bobo_b> 0.6.3 18:48:32 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@85.103.139.153] has joined #openttd 18:48:41 <bobo_b> i did the alias thing that's described in the wiki 18:48:49 <bobo_b> bash-3.2$ openttd-0/OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd -D 18:48:51 <bobo_b> Bus Error 18:49:04 <bobo_b> actually it's "Bus error" :-) 18:49:06 <petern> get a taxi instead 18:49:12 <dihedral> :-D 18:49:16 <bobo_b> ...? 18:49:19 <dihedral> which version of osx? 18:49:27 <bobo_b> think leopard 18:49:32 <bobo_b> that is 10.5? 18:49:37 <jnmbk> Hi, I couldn't get the sound working in 0.7.0. It works fine in 0.6.3, I'm using linux 18:49:44 <bobo_b> (can i find out from the console?) 18:49:45 <dihedral> bobo_b, think is not good right now 18:49:47 <dihedral> please check 18:50:16 <dihedral> "have you tried turning it off and on again?" 18:50:25 <bobo_b> :-) 18:51:08 <otih> Rubidium: i dont need alsa, right, but i need something like arts, alsa, esd, .... 18:51:45 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37D1EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:06 <jnmbk> and ideas why the sound went off in 0.7.0? 18:52:12 <bobo_b> dihedral: System Version: Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G55) 18:52:15 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37D1EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 18:52:20 <bobo_b> dihedral: Kernel Version: Darwin 9.6.0 18:52:21 <dihedral> bobo_b, you wanna try a newer version of openttd? 18:52:39 <Rubidium> jnmbk: compiled it yourself? 18:52:44 <jnmbk> Rubidium: yep 18:52:50 <bobo_b> well, i can do that 18:52:53 <Rubidium> try openttd -s sdl 18:53:02 <jnmbk> ok 18:53:26 <bobo_b> erm, the new stable was released today? 18:53:26 <bobo_b> nice 18:53:29 <jnmbk> now it works 18:53:43 <Rubidium> then for some reason allegro doesn't give you sound 18:54:19 <Rubidium> I'd say you use ./configure --without-allegro or fix (lib)allegro 18:54:20 <jnmbk> Rubidium: is there a new parameter to make sdl default when compiling? (I'm asking because I'll update the package in my distro) 18:55:39 <bobo_b> what'S your distro? :-) 18:55:53 <jnmbk> Pardus 18:56:32 <otih> Rubidium: what should i use with arts, esd, ....? 18:56:38 <jnmbk> I'm trying --without-allegro ... 18:57:05 <Rubidium> otih: I'm just wondering why gentoo 'requires' you to 'select' one of the dependencies of libsdl 18:58:32 <otih> i have to do such foobar 18:58:34 <otih> myopts="${myopts} --with-midi=/usr/bin/aplaymidi" 18:59:43 <bobo_b> does anyone by any chance know how to create a mac alias using the console? 19:00:19 <TinoDidriksen> An alias or a symlink ? 19:00:40 <bobo_b> well, not an ln -s, but this mac-style Alias thing 19:01:02 <bobo_b> not the alias ll="ls -l" kind of alias either 19:03:41 <Bjarni> that's actually a tricky question 19:03:45 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D1EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:48 <TinoDidriksen> Oh, those...they're rather special. 19:03:49 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D1EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:04:11 <Bjarni> also I presume you mean you want to make it from terminal, not the console ;) 19:04:27 <bobo_b> looks like this: -rw-r--r--@ :-) 19:04:35 <TinoDidriksen> "...an AliasRecord in the resource fork (accessed via the key, 'alis') and that has an empty data fork" 19:05:05 <bobo_b> TinoDidriksen: what are you quoting? 19:05:09 <Bjarni> ... resourcefork 19:05:17 <bobo_b> Bjarni: not sure i know the difference right now 19:05:22 <Bjarni> I thought that was a thing of the past 19:05:25 <TinoDidriksen> http://yost.com/computers/aliaslinks/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alias_(Mac_OS) 19:05:32 <TinoDidriksen> Alias files are from System 7 19:06:01 <bobo_b> well 19:06:05 <bobo_b> openttd wiki says: 19:06:07 <bobo_b> Make an alias of the /Contents/Resources/data/openttdw.gfr file and put it in /Contents/MacOS/ folder. 19:06:40 <TinoDidriksen> A symlink will do, surely... 19:06:55 <dihedral> yuck.... i would not do that kind of stuff - ln -s is just fine :-P 19:07:37 <glx> but why is this needed? 19:08:08 <bobo_b> i do not know 19:08:10 <petern> wiki is most likely bullshit 19:08:47 <Bjarni> err 19:08:54 <Bjarni> link to that wiki page please 19:08:58 <Bjarni> somebody wrote some bullshit 19:09:04 <bobo_b> http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_Servers 19:09:15 <bobo_b> starting ... > mac os x 19:09:25 <Bjarni> sure it will work, but it's not intended and makes everything way too complex 19:09:58 <frosch123> [21:09] <Bjarni> somebody wrote some bullshit <- at least he did something for once 19:10:11 <el_en> http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Dedicated_server&diff=30579&oldid=30151 19:10:14 <dihedral> and at lease he read the wiki :-D 19:10:52 <petern> shame it's crap 19:11:14 <dihedral> who is 82.42.237.99 19:11:14 <Bjarni> I will try to make it more sane 19:11:25 <el_en> it's someone from the united kingdom of europe. 19:11:52 <Bjarni> who isn't that important 19:12:05 <Bjarni> the point is that it should tell the right thing ^^ 19:12:14 <Bjarni> also it shouldn't contain typos in filenames either 19:12:26 <el_en> can't be the king, though. 19:14:22 <bobo_b> Bjarni: how wrong is that information? 19:14:25 <bobo_b> :-)# 19:15:19 <Bjarni> well it might work, but I wouldn't even try it 19:16:04 <bobo_b> oh 19:16:05 <bobo_b> ok 19:16:24 <bobo_b> btw Bjarni, with 0.7.0: 19:16:26 <bobo_b> bash-3.2$ OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd -D 19:16:32 <bobo_b> Bus error 19:16:39 <Bjarni> >.< 19:16:46 * Bjarni hates bus errors 19:16:48 <bobo_b> is this related to the wrong information from the wiki? 19:16:57 <Bjarni> maybe 19:17:02 <Bjarni> not sure right now 19:17:15 <bobo_b> i'll be glad to help 19:17:26 <Bjarni> I'm going to test a bit of stuff and then I will update the wiki with easy to do stuff 19:17:32 <bobo_b> unfortunately i can't give you access to that system 19:17:43 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@212.99.255.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:43 <bobo_b> (not sure if you have a mac at hand= 19:17:46 <bobo_b> ) 19:18:16 <dihedral> bobo_b, he does ;-) 19:18:40 <dihedral> a few people in here do, not many though 19:19:16 <bobo_b> ah ok :-) 19:20:26 <bobo_b> anyway, i gotta grab something to eat 19:20:31 <bobo_b> i'll check back later 19:20:39 <bobo_b> bye 19:25:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.200.121] has joined #openttd 19:27:33 * jnmbk hates bus errors too, a car crashed at the back of the bus this morning and he was 10 mins late to school :P 19:27:55 <Bjarni> bobo_b: refresh the wiki 19:27:58 <baldur> sounds more like a driver problem 19:28:10 <SmatZ> car driver's error 19:29:27 <jnmbk> well, yeah a driver screwing the bus leaded the problem 19:29:37 <Bjarni> jnmbk: I tried that as well. The bus should turn left and waited for traffic going the other way. A car stopped to give room for the bus (it was a narrow road) and while the bus was turning a car showed up at high speed and overtook the bus... but the bus driver didn't notice this and started moving 19:29:57 <Bjarni> the bus wasn't really damanged, but the car couldn't open the door anymore 19:30:28 <Bjarni> but... speeding and overtaking a bus while the bus uses the left turn signal.... that's stupid 19:31:24 <Bjarni> I encountered a real bus error as well. The engine temperature went into the red area and the bus stopped and we had to wait for the next one 19:32:06 <jnmbk> I saw that one, with leaking engine oil following the bus 19:32:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.161.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:45 <Bjarni> I heard about a bus driver error. He left a few minutes early, noticed this and decided to turn around. The result was that the bus got jammed after turning 100 degrees when he tried to turn 180 degrees. It was one of those "bending busses" so when he reversed, he was completely stock 19:34:34 <Bjarni> and blocked traffic in 3 out of 4 lanes (the road had two lanes in each direction). To make it perfect it was around 8 O'clock in the morning on a normal work day 19:34:51 <frosch123> articulated busses getting stuck on reversing? didn't you tell him to use ottd instead? 19:35:20 <SmatZ> those new busses we got were buggy.. sometimes the doors failed to close - the driver had to restart (shutdown the engine and restart it) to close them 19:35:24 <Bjarni> I wasn't present 19:35:40 <Bjarni> LOL@SmatZ 19:35:44 <SmatZ> Bjarni: you are a present! 19:36:05 <Bjarni> ... 19:36:08 <frosch123> SmatZ: maybe closing all windows and reopening them would also have helped 19:36:10 <SmatZ> Bjarni: :-( 19:36:25 <SmatZ> frosch123: :-) 19:36:25 <Bjarni> SmatZ: you mean that I'm God's gift to you??? 19:36:35 <SmatZ> Bjarni: maybe 19:36:43 <el_en> you'll need to present some evidence 19:37:04 <Rubidium> CTRL-ALT-DELETE -> task manager ->select the "doors" process and close it 19:37:13 <SmatZ> hehe 19:37:42 <SmatZ> "killall passenger" 19:38:30 <bobo_b> Bjarni: ok, so i removed the symlink 19:38:36 <bobo_b> still in 0.7.0 19:38:36 <Bjarni> I once encountered a train that had problems. The driver then went to the passenger compartment, opened a closet and pushed some buttons). The train then restarted and we could leave 19:38:45 <bobo_b> bash-3.2$ ./openttd -D 19:38:46 <bobo_b> Bus error 19:39:07 <bobo_b> afk again 19:39:28 <frosch123> Bjarni: the train was too heavy, and he dropped balast 19:39:44 <petern> completely stock? 19:39:45 <Bjarni> balast on an EMU? 19:39:46 <SmatZ> hehe, was it a pendolino? :-p 19:39:52 <frosch123> or he refilled the tank 19:40:17 <Bjarni> sure he refilled the electric tank on the EMU :P 19:40:27 <el_en> pendolino, the gift to the world from Fiat ferroviaria 19:40:48 <SmatZ> our pendolinos were broken because the door lock system at toilets broke (because of low temperature or what) - the pendolino had to be towed by a diesel train :-p 19:40:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet674.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:52 <petern> pah, based on APT technology 19:41:58 <Bjarni> I like an event in the 1990s. An EMU broke and the train was replaced with the only thing they could find in time 19:42:07 <Bjarni> which turned out to be steam ^^ 19:42:39 <SmatZ> hehehe 19:43:07 <el_en> SmatZ: the tilting system malfunctioning is the most common pendolino error here, i've heard. 19:43:21 <Bjarni> I was told that the passengers looked quite funny when the train showed up and it looked somewhat different from what they expected 19:43:57 <SmatZ> :-) 19:44:18 <Prof_Frink> I bet they were well chuffed. 19:44:37 <Bjarni> chuffed? 19:44:49 <Prof_Frink> chuffed. 19:45:01 <Bjarni> define: chuffed 19:45:25 <Bjarni> repeating the word over and over will not make me understand it better since I never heard it before 19:46:04 <petern> however 19:46:17 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 19:46:22 <petern> you are, presumably, connected to the internet in such a way that you could look itup 19:46:47 <baldur> #define chuffed http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chuffed 19:46:47 <Bjarni> no I can't 19:46:58 <el_en> SmatZ: like this? http://vaunut.org/kuvat/e340ab2a88a6e81c3f07cac08906ea8e.jpg 19:47:02 <Bjarni> I don't have an internet connection at this computer 19:47:24 <SmatZ> Bjarni: "70's-speak for the lingering, pleasant feeling of sexual satisfaction" 19:47:31 <SmatZ> el_en: not the very same, but yes :) 19:47:39 <Bjarni> el_en: it would look more interesting if the diesel were a steam locomotive 19:48:11 <Bjarni> but I have seen diesel being hauled by steam 19:48:18 <Bjarni> I have no idea why though 19:48:43 <Bjarni> I never figured out who were driving it so the explanation lacks :( 19:49:19 <el_en> i kind of cheated with that photo, as its description says the pendolino has just arriving from the harbor (and italy), and pulled to the depot for initial maintenance. 19:49:49 <el_en> but similar photos of real break-down situations exist. 19:49:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-145-66.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:50:26 <Prof_Frink> I want a steam-powered maglev. 19:51:25 <petern> http://www.old-dalby.com/images/apt-e_tilt_failure1.jpg 19:51:34 <petern> ^ see, the APT was failing way before your pendolino 19:51:56 <petern> i kind of cheated with that photo, as its description says it's a simulated failure... 19:51:59 <Bjarni> X2000 had a tilting issue too 19:52:03 <Bjarni> it was too good 19:52:17 <Prof_Frink> It fell over? 19:52:26 <Bjarni> people could see the train turning but couldn't feel it enough so the passengers complained about motion sickness 19:52:45 <petern> APT had that too 19:52:52 <Bjarni> then they reduced the turning force compensation by 1/3 and then it's ok 19:53:08 <petern> we did in the 70s, you slow coaches 19:53:42 <el_en> the sad thing is that pendolinos were supposed to be high-speed trains, but due to the condition of the finnish railway network, pendolino doesn't drive any faster than other trains on some routes, but is more expensive. 19:54:13 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm238.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: truths] 19:54:43 <Bjarni> speed tends to be quite expensive and the time gain usually turns out to be minimal 19:55:17 <petern> yeah, you just end up spending longer accelerating instead 19:55:17 <Bjarni> we still have max 75 km/h lines 19:55:43 <el_en> max speed 220 km/h is hardly ever maintained for more than few minutes, and sometimes the railway limits the max allowed speed to 120 km/h. 19:55:54 <Bjarni> and if the track can't handle more for whatever reason the max speed doesn't matter. It's a question of how fast it can reach 75 km/h 19:57:12 <petern> high speed might work in the US were it not for all that uber-slow freight 19:59:40 *** jnmbk [~jnmbk@85.103.139.153] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:26 <baldur> Bjarni: are you in Denmark? 20:00:41 <Aali> I'm taking an X40 to stockholm on friday 20:00:46 <Aali> max speed is 200km/h 20:01:00 <Aali> the trip will take 1Âœ hour 20:01:13 <baldur> from where? 20:01:13 <Aali> a car going 110km/h can make the trip in 1:40 20:01:15 <Aali> :/ 20:02:59 <Aali> but hey, the seats are comfy 20:03:29 <Aali> and noise levels are acceptable, to say the least 20:13:06 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:14 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:34 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:14:52 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5EDC3.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:18:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:18:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:22:05 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:19 *** baldur [~balli@1385165295.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:33:53 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 20:44:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c343c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:43 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:54:42 *** mizipzor [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 20:54:59 <mizipzor> do openttd have a seperate channel for dev talk? 20:55:31 <Brianetta> no 20:55:33 <Brianetta> here is fine 20:57:20 <mizipzor> kewl... now ive forgot what it was i meant to ask though... doh 21:01:59 <bobo_b> mizipzor: did you want to fix my Bus error when running dedicated on mac os from a remote login? 21:02:16 <bobo_b> (please?) 21:03:07 <Rubidium> lets make a counter question: could you give me a mac to test that on, please? 21:03:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:42 <mizipzor> bobo_b: uh, i think you got me confused with someone else, i just downloaded the source myself 21:07:51 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:04 <Bjarni> bobo_b: you want to give me permission to play with your computer using a remote login? :) 21:14:31 <Bjarni> <baldur> Bjarni: are you in Denmark? <-- no, in reality I'm a Chinese hacker who is hiding behind a Danish DNS :P 21:15:48 *** Pinchiukas [~ne@www.rikoma.lt] has left #openttd [] 21:16:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:20:07 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:24 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 21:28:31 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 21:28:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:31:25 *** scarabeus [~weechat@net-2-2.jaw.cz] has joined #openttd 21:33:09 <scarabeus> howdy, so do you have 0.7 ebuild ready or truebrain is no longer working on it? :] 21:34:25 * Rubidium summons otih for scarabeus 21:34:35 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:14 <scarabeus> oh :] cool, i am just too lazy to write something myself :D and i actualy want to put it into the tree :D 21:35:21 <scarabeus> lazyness is quite popular among gnetoo :D 21:43:19 <bobo_b> mizipzor: nah, i was just kidding :-) 21:43:38 <bobo_b> Bjarni: it's a work pc, so, um, i guess... well, nah i can'T 21:43:40 <SmatZ> gentoo for the win! 21:43:58 <helb> :] 21:44:01 <SmatZ> the most popular distro among people I know :) 21:44:26 <Zuu> And I moved on to Debian, because gentoo made me doo to much work.. :) 21:44:27 <bobo_b> which one is gentoo, the compile everything yourself or the user friendly one 21:44:32 <bobo_b> or something else? :-) 21:44:40 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 21:44:41 <Zuu> Ie I was to lazy for gentoo :) 21:44:52 <welshdragon> grr, 2007alain2007 is really annoying me now :( 21:44:52 <SmatZ> the friendly one where you compile everything :) 21:45:07 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&p=777372#p777372 < beging last post 21:45:31 <scarabeus> nah we are use friendly, today we agreed to break kde4 enviroment for example :D 21:45:46 <scarabeus> so anyone knows about some ebuild which i can take look on? :P 21:48:28 <bobo_b> scarabeus: are you connected to gentoo? 21:48:44 <bobo_b> so the gentoo system is kinda like the freebsd ports system? 21:48:49 <SmatZ> scarabeus: http://repo.or.cz/w/otih-overlay.git?a=blob;f=games-simulation/openttd/openttd-0.7.0.ebuild - but I haven't tested it :) 21:49:07 <scarabeus> bobo_b: yep 21:49:30 <otih> i tested it :P 21:49:45 <scarabeus> yeah but why you removed the scenarios and other stuff 21:49:46 <scarabeus> :P 21:49:50 <mizipzor> welshdragon: lol, i feel your suffering :p 21:50:01 <otih> you can donwload via game inside 21:50:13 <scarabeus> otih: ok 21:50:14 <bobo_b> scarabeus: yep to what? ^ 21:50:16 <bobo_b> ^^ 21:50:22 <Bjarni> bobo_b: I don't know why it crashes for you. It works for me :/ 21:50:22 <scarabeus> bobo_b: yep to both :D 21:50:22 <welshdragon> petern: nice lock :) 21:50:28 <otih> scarabeus: you're involved in gentoo? 21:50:36 <scarabeus> Bjarni: i am gentoo dev and yes we are based on port system 21:50:41 <scarabeus> Bjarni: sorry 21:50:43 <scarabeus> bobo_b: 21:50:53 <bobo_b> yep, thanks 21:51:08 <Bjarni> for a moment I really wondered what the bus error had to do with gentoo :P 21:51:19 <otih> scarabeus: can you bump in tree? 21:51:27 <bobo_b> Bjarni: how does one debug a bus error? 21:51:35 <bobo_b> (never did much c / c++) 21:51:50 <bobo_b> java and python don't have it ^ 21:51:52 <bobo_b> ^^ 21:52:02 <SmatZ> bobo_b: for example, misaligned memory access (on some architectures) 21:52:16 <SmatZ> ah... 21:52:21 * SmatZ misread that 21:52:51 <bobo_b> it's kinda like a sigsegv right? 21:53:06 <Bjarni> bobo_b: first of all you install Xcode in order to get a debugger 21:53:17 <scarabeus> otih: that is what i am doing now :D 21:53:26 <bobo_b> that's already installed 21:53:31 <Nite_Owl> I foresee an angry 2007alain2007 in someones future 21:53:54 <bobo_b> weird thing is that it only happens remotely, so can i use Xcode in the terminal? 21:54:19 <otih> http://repo.or.cz/w/otih-overlay.git?a=blob;f=games-simulation/openttd/openttd-0.7.0.ebuild 21:54:32 <otih> scarabeus: my ebuild ... 21:55:49 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:36 <scarabeus> yeah already get that from SmatZ 21:56:36 <SmatZ> bobo_b: "remotely" = ssh to server, then run openttd -D? 21:56:40 <scarabeus> and updating right now 21:57:21 <SmatZ> I forgot to mention it's otih's ebuild :) 21:57:27 <Bjarni> bobo_b: ok, then the next thing is to get a debug build. Get the source and run "./configure --enable-debug=3 && make" 21:57:56 <Bjarni> naturally you configure in the directory you get from extracting the source 22:00:12 <Wolf01> 'night 22:00:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:00:44 <goodger> eight amoral, childish twentysomething men and eight vacuous, out-of-touch women clamber over each other's expensive haircuts, rough-nail-shod, for an overpaid city job with a grotty subsidiary of british sky broadcasting 22:00:51 <goodger> it can only be.... the apprentice!!!! 22:01:00 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 22:01:37 <Bjarni> goodger: ok, that was really random stuff 22:01:46 <Bjarni> how is it related to anything else going on in here? 22:02:17 <goodger> Bjarni: nothing else is going on in here recently 22:02:25 <goodger> and I wanted to say it..? 22:02:36 <otih> scarabeus: hey, could you add my overlay to layman? 22:02:47 <Bjarni> something else is going on and I don't get what you are trying to say 22:03:00 <goodger> Bjarni: perhaps a dictionary? 22:03:24 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@gprs1.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:29 <Bjarni> I understand the words, but not the collection of words 22:03:49 <goodger> would you prefer "lol the apprentice is a pile of shit"? 22:04:07 <Bjarni> I don't get what you refer to at all 22:04:35 <goodger> it's the BBC's flagship reality television programme. the concept is explained above 22:04:50 <Prof_Frink> "flagship reality television" 22:05:18 <Bjarni> reality TV is no good at all 22:05:32 * Bjarni favours a ban 22:05:58 <scarabeus> otih: i could but do you really thing it is worth of adding to layman? wont be better to push your stuff to the main tree / sunrise? 22:06:04 <Bjarni> it's all about mentally torturing people for the sole purpose of entertaining other people 22:11:11 <bobo_b> kinda like what i do with you... ^^ 22:11:27 <scarabeus> otih: btw where you did find the --with-alegrol 22:11:40 <scarabeus> nm find 22:11:57 <Bjarni> bobo_b: so are you making a debug build now or should I stop waiting? 22:12:07 <bobo_b> Bjarni: running 22:12:14 <Bjarni> ok 22:12:19 <bobo_b> but i have to warn you, i gotta leave soon 22:12:23 <Bjarni> let me know when it's done 22:12:25 <bobo_b> ok 22:12:31 <scarabeus> Unknown option --with-allegrol 22:12:34 <Bjarni> it's passed midnight so I guess I will leave as well 22:12:52 <bobo_b> same here 22:13:06 <bobo_b> you got daylight saving time in denmark? 22:13:30 <Bjarni> yeah 22:13:35 <Bjarni> but I don't want it :( 22:13:54 <bobo_b> well, i like when it's still light out when i got out of work... 22:14:53 <Bjarni> we should use the old system: 12:00 is defined as when the sun is at it's highest 22:15:35 <Bjarni> daylight saving hour is actually rather dangerous 22:15:53 <scarabeus> otih: any ideas why it dies out with this option? 22:16:05 <Bjarni> during the first week after changing people are sleepy in the morning and more people are killed in traffic 22:16:15 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 22:16:29 <Bjarni> the amount of heart attacks (or strokes, can't remember) increases by 5% 22:16:40 <otih> scarabeus: ./configure --help ;) 22:16:47 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Yeah, but you've got it wrong. 22:16:55 <bobo_b> well, at the end of it less people will die tho, cause nobody is tired anymore 22:16:58 <scarabeus> otih: the value is there 22:16:59 <Prof_Frink> Don't get rid of summer time, get rid of winter time. 22:17:12 <bobo_b> get rid of time itself? 22:17:30 <otih> scarabeus: i wanna bump to tree, but i dont have access 22:17:31 <Bjarni> that's an open question. My point is that changing time is a mess 22:17:34 <Bjarni> and a really stupid idea 22:17:44 <otih> so can you add my overlay to layman? 22:17:56 <scarabeus> scarab@arcarius: ~/tmp/openttd-0.7.0 $ ./configure --help |grep "\-\-with-allegrol" 22:17:57 <scarabeus> --with-allegrol[=allegro-config] 22:18:03 <scarabeus> well open bugs 22:18:11 <Bjarni> I read that Japan isn't using it, but wondered what it would mean so they are doing a test run. They use it in 3 cities, but nowhere else 22:18:11 <scarabeus> or bug on the #gentoo-sunrise channel 22:18:15 <Bjarni> now that's messed up 22:18:16 <Prof_Frink> See, if you wake up at stupid o'clock the day after they change to watch the race, it doesn't affect you. 22:18:50 <Prof_Frink> *And* use the extra light in the evening to be out on the crag for longer 22:19:31 <otih> if i opened a openttd-0.7.0 bug today, someone would "kill" me :P 22:19:39 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:03 <Prof_Frink> I don't think there's any ircops here 22:20:04 <Bjarni> otih: I wouldn't kill you 22:20:20 <SmatZ> I wouldn't kill you, you are too far from me 22:20:25 <Bjarni> I would feed you to the crocodiles... but I wouldn't kill you 22:20:29 <Bjarni> you should feel the pain :P 22:20:47 <bobo_b> Bjarni: done 22:21:08 <SmatZ> hehe 22:21:09 <otih> scarabeus: so could you add to layman ... perhaps i get cvs access one day ;) 22:21:11 <Bjarni> bobo_b: "make run-gdb" 22:21:15 <Bjarni> and then "run" 22:21:19 <Bjarni> and it crashes 22:21:42 <Bjarni> and what does bt say (don't copy paste to the channel) 22:21:47 <Bjarni> use paste.openttd.org 22:21:56 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org 22:21:59 <Nite_Owl> have you actually ever been close to a large crocodile or alligator and do not mean 'at the zoo' 22:22:26 <Bjarni> I'm not even sure I have been close to any of those in a zoo 22:22:29 <SmatZ> my parents were :) in florida, there is a crocodile farm or so :) 22:22:59 <bobo_b> now it crashes with the same error it did before, but before i copied my ttd files in 22:23:17 <Nite_Owl> very nasty animals - they will eat you and your dog 22:23:59 <SmatZ> hehe 22:24:09 <Bjarni> my cousin had the idea to travel around USA without spending too much so he planned on sleeping outside in a sleeping bag. He just had to find somewhere where nobody would find him, but the locals told him that the aligators would find him and he would be a packed lunch for them without being able to get out of the sleeping bag in time 22:24:12 <Bjarni> he didn't think of that 22:24:19 <bobo_b> http://paste.openttd.org/181257 22:24:26 <SmatZ> 8-) @ Bjarni 22:25:00 <scarabeus> otih: cleaned ebuild :] http://dpaste.com/22390/ 22:25:14 <Bjarni> bobo_b: ohh... try "run -D" instead XD 22:25:24 <Bjarni> and agree to restart when it asks you 22:25:30 <Bjarni> restart the app, that is 22:25:53 <otih> scarabeus: diff? ;) 22:25:55 <Bjarni> now that would be a poor debugger... restart the computer every time you want to debug again 22:27:06 <scarabeus> otih: http://dpaste.com/22392/ 22:27:35 <bobo_b> same: 22:27:35 <bobo_b> http://paste.openttd.org/181259 22:28:20 <Bjarni> it makes complete sense why it only fails over ssh now 22:28:27 <bobo_b> i had that error before though. copying my ttd files in changed it to Bus error 22:28:33 <Bjarni> it tries to open the window for some reason and then it complains that it lacks a display 22:28:47 <SmatZ> maybe it opens a window to complain about missing files? 22:28:51 <Bjarni> copy the files and try "run -D" again 22:29:14 <Bjarni> SmatZ: that's likely. It would be a bug in the window handling then 22:29:17 <Rubidium> it can't create a window, how can adding files fix that? 22:29:23 <otih> scarabeus: use_with sdl is correct .... 22:29:24 <Bjarni> which I think I introduced >.< 22:29:38 <Bjarni> Rubidium: dedicated server 22:29:48 <Bjarni> it shouldn't open any windows 22:30:10 <Rubidium> well RegisterApplication sounds fairly important to me 22:30:10 <scarabeus> otih: well quite possible but if it fails with the other one i preffer sdl more 22:30:11 <otih> you can built without sdl, but with allegro 22:30:23 <scarabeus> well the --with-allegro failed 22:30:47 <otih> hmmm, where is the failure? 22:31:02 <otih> !sdl? ( media-libs/allegro[X] ) 22:31:13 <scarabeus> --with-allegrol failed to find the argument 22:31:14 <otih> could deleted, if we just use sdl! 22:32:03 <bobo_b> erm 22:32:07 <SmatZ> use allegro is used by two packages 22:32:11 <bobo_b> that seems quite strange to me: 22:32:14 <bobo_b> http://paste.openttd.org/181260 22:32:22 <SmatZ> hmm I am failing to emerge allegro 22:32:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:32:42 <SmatZ> bobo_b: type "bt" 22:33:12 <scarabeus> anyway we preffer the sdl interface most 22:33:25 <otih> scarabeus: file names are not case sensitive, so Rubidium said .... 22:33:51 <otih> but, ebuild is ok!! ;) 22:34:04 <Rubidium> otih: now don't lie. I said that it wasn't the complete truth 22:34:05 <otih> you commit? 22:34:19 <bobo_b> http://paste.openttd.org/181261 22:34:21 <otih> hehe, ok .... what is the truth? 22:34:24 <Bjarni> yeah now it crashed with the NULL pointer thing, which would cause a bus error. Looks like you managed to reproduce the same error again 22:34:38 <scarabeus> otih: i need alowance from games team but i will commit it soon :} 22:34:44 <scarabeus> otih: i am X/kde dev :D 22:34:45 <Rubidium> that both FULL UPPERCASE and full lowercase is checked 22:35:13 <otih> ah ok .... 22:35:17 <bobo_b> Bjarni, SmatZ: does that help you in any way? 22:35:21 <Rubidium> and no CamelCasing 22:35:21 <Bjarni> bobo_b: looks like running OTTD though ssh on OSX is broken right now >.< 22:35:25 <otih> scarabeus: thanks for commit! 22:35:36 <Bjarni> bobo_b: it tells me why it fails.... sort of 22:35:37 <SmatZ> bobo_b: yeah :) was the dedicated server working in the past? 22:35:44 <Bjarni> the display code is buggy 22:35:52 <otih> but, adding my overlay to layman would be nice ;) 22:36:03 <Bjarni> bobo_b: what kind of server did you connect to? 22:36:05 <bobo_b> it's working if i start it sitting at the machine, being logged in 22:36:14 <Bjarni> I mean do you have a display on the remote server? 22:36:16 <scarabeus> otih: could you drop by tomorow on #gentoo-sunrise 22:36:28 <Bjarni> <bobo_b> it's working if i start it sitting at the machine, being logged in <-- that would make sense 22:36:30 <bobo_b> yeah, it's the one i work with every day 22:36:34 <scarabeus> otih: i bet we would rip of your overlay to take the ebuilds to the tree or into the user overlay 22:36:43 <scarabeus> it is the overlay where every user can commit 22:36:51 <Bjarni> bobo_b: so basically it's a server where nobody logged in that you access though ssh right now? 22:36:54 <SmatZ> bobo_b: try "ssh -Y" instead of "ssh" when connecting 22:37:12 <otih> hmmm, i dont understand completly 22:37:23 <bobo_b> Bjarni: nobody should be logged in directly right now 22:37:29 <bobo_b> SmatZ: ok, 1 sec 22:37:44 <Bjarni> I don't think I ever tested that scenario 22:37:51 <Bjarni> didn't think of it for some reason 22:38:07 <scarabeus> otih: imagine the channel where we devs just oversee the ebuilds and users themself commit to some overlay which has official gentoo support 22:38:08 * Rubidium blames linking with carbon and that crap ;) 22:38:22 <Bjarni> didn't think much of dedicated servers at all though. I tested them when I'm logged in and they worked so I didn't do much more 22:38:29 <scarabeus> otih: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/sunrise/ 22:38:43 <SmatZ> bobo_b: also, configure --enable-dedicated should help :) 22:38:52 <SmatZ> "work around" 22:38:58 <Bjarni> Rubidium: I blame our code. The question is where it goes wrong 22:39:01 <otih> yeah ok, but my overlay has software that should not be in portage 22:39:06 <scarabeus> otih: http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/sunrise 22:39:06 <otih> nvidia beta etc 22:39:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226214209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:39:20 <scarabeus> hm isnt the beta on roslin overlay? 22:39:29 <scarabeus> the lazy_bums tiny uberlay? 22:39:39 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> bobo_b: try "ssh -Y" instead of "ssh" when connecting <-- OpenTTD doesn't use x11 on OSX so I don't think it will make a difference 22:40:01 <SmatZ> Bjarni: :-( 22:40:01 <bobo_b> it doesn't 22:40:11 <bobo_b> at least with the 0.6.3 version 22:40:14 <SmatZ> I thought OSX is more unix-ish :) 22:40:26 <bobo_b> it doesn't use X tho 22:40:27 <Bjarni> you can use X11 though 22:40:32 <bobo_b> well yes 22:40:39 <otih> scarabeus: could be ;) but why not add my overlay? 22:40:55 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:56 <bobo_b> what does --enable-dedicated do? 22:41:01 <Bjarni> however try to compile with "--enable-dedicated" and see what happens 22:41:06 <Rubidium> it makes a dedicated server 22:41:11 <scarabeus> because you have 5 ebuilds there, it is pointless to have overlays with few ebuilds, it is better to support users to use some already well known overlays 22:41:21 <Bjarni> it should hopefully disable the code that makes the app crash 22:41:54 <Rubidium> nah, it'll just blow on Cocoa ;) 22:42:05 <otih> scarabeus: ok, you're right ;) 22:43:28 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 22:43:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:43:41 <bobo_b> ok, i'm going for a smoke until make is done 22:43:45 <bobo_b> 5 mins 22:43:48 <scarabeus> otih: but really drop by, i bet we can use some of your ebuilds and force some to the tree :] 22:44:08 <Bjarni> statistically smoking takes 7 minutes 22:44:28 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-29-216.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:39 <otih> scarabeus: you think my ebuilds are ok? 22:45:48 <scarabeus> well we do review usualy so you will learn from us slaping you for them :D 22:46:00 <scarabeus> i just looked on the aircrack one and the dbus looks legitime 22:46:17 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-16-29.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:32 <otih> ok, you talk from bugs.g.o .... 22:48:16 <otih> $(use_with zlib) is twice in ebuild 22:48:17 <otih> ;) 22:48:40 *** EoD [~eod@ppp-93-104-116-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #openttd 22:48:42 <scarabeus> ok i hate it 22:48:46 <scarabeus> it wont start by default 22:48:51 <scarabeus> i have to run openttd -v sdl 22:48:54 <scarabeus> :( 22:48:55 <scarabeus> blesmrt 22:49:06 <scarabeus> it could try other v if the other fails 22:49:08 <otih> hmmm, with my ebuild it works :P 22:50:36 <scarabeus> with sdl compiled 22:50:40 <scarabeus> it runs by default 22:51:49 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 22:52:02 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:34 <otih> scarabeus: http://repo.or.cz/w/otih-overlay.git?a=blob;f=games-simulation/openttd/openttd-0.7.0.ebuild;h=0b8ff3b68ff7c43439012d9757bc480eba555dff;hb=38bb434f2330555cd4c99607d25337bf9f4dd162 22:55:33 <bobo_b> re 22:55:54 <Bjarni> that took 12 minutes 22:56:04 <Bjarni> you are 5 minutes late 22:57:26 <bobo_b> had to put the dishes away i cleaned earlier 22:57:34 <bobo_b> got stealing roomates 22:58:03 <Bjarni> you stole some roommates? 22:58:12 <Bjarni> isn't that like kidnapping? 22:58:25 <bobo_b> erm 22:58:31 <bobo_b> more room for me? 22:59:19 <bobo_b> http://paste.openttd.org/181262 22:59:21 <bobo_b> :-) 22:59:53 <Bjarni> ok, the problem is fixed for you... for now 23:00:11 <bobo_b> so, do i just copy the bin directory from where i built? 23:00:39 <scarabeus> otih: nice 23:00:53 <bobo_b> (usually there is a make install, so i don't know much about this) 23:01:01 <Bjarni> yes... well it needs the same version of lng and grf files, but if you compiled 0.7.0 and you have 0.7.0 somewhere else, then no problem 23:01:01 <scarabeus> otih: i am going slowly to bed so i will commit the ebuild in the morning if no bugs pop out 23:01:06 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@gprs1.vodafone.cz] has joined #openttd 23:01:14 <Bjarni> make install isn't supported on mac 23:01:19 <bobo_b> thought so 23:01:19 <Bjarni> that's a limitation of our makefile 23:01:26 <Bjarni> not make install itself 23:01:36 <Bjarni> we just decided not to code it 23:01:49 <SmatZ> "decided"? not "lazy"? 23:01:58 <bobo_b> well Bjarni, thank you very very much for your support 23:02:21 <Bjarni> SmatZ: it was a design decision 23:02:26 <SmatZ> Bjarni: ok :o) 23:02:30 <bobo_b> now that i works, i'll just go play simcity 23:02:38 <Rubidium> everything for OSX that isn't done is "decided" to be that way (by apple) 23:02:38 <bobo_b> or settlers1 23:02:48 <SmatZ> hehe 23:02:52 *** deghost [~asdf@CPE0040caacdf99-CM0011ae8a728e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:02:54 <deghost> SOOOOOOOo 23:02:56 <bobo_b> oooooooooooooor... 23:02:57 <Bjarni> because at the time it wouldn't make sense. Maybe it could be introduced now with the new path handling though 23:03:03 <deghost> when is signal in tunnel comming :D 23:03:13 <Rubidium> never ;) 23:03:14 <Bjarni> but at that time it wouldn't be able to find the data files so it really didn't make sense 23:03:18 <deghost> i knew it!! 23:03:29 <bobo_b> well ok i might give openttd a shot 23:03:37 <Rubidium> though the better answer would be "when it is done" 23:03:45 <bobo_b> Bjarni: did i mention THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANKS? 23:03:53 <bobo_b> oh, and all the others too of course 23:03:58 <bobo_b> like SmatZ 23:04:09 <bobo_b> because if i didn't... 23:04:15 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 23:04:17 <bobo_b> i can make it even more troll 23:04:18 <deghost> openttd 23:04:20 <SmatZ> :) 23:04:23 <deghost> is the only tts 23:04:24 <deghost> to play 23:04:26 <deghost> :o 23:04:28 <deghost> ttd* 23:04:29 <bobo_b> TAHAAANX!!!!1111one 23:04:37 <SmatZ> :o) 23:04:42 <bobo_b> ^^ 23:04:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:50 <deghost> for more funz 23:04:56 <deghost> in making awsome huge network 23:05:00 <deghost> try @openttdcoop 23:05:04 <Bjarni> bobo_b reminds me of the joke about a boy who gets a 1000 thanks and 0 and he replies that he would have preferred 100 thanks and 00 23:05:05 <deghost> try #openttdcoop 23:05:19 <bobo_b> :-) 23:06:12 <SmatZ> hehe 23:06:35 <bobo_b> i actually thought about giving money to the project (which i don't do usually), but i only started playing (again) a week ago 23:06:46 <bobo_b> but now that you asked for it... 23:06:56 <bobo_b> have one more thanks 23:06:59 <bobo_b> :-) 23:07:09 <Bjarni> hehe 23:07:23 <bobo_b> alright, i gotta get up in 6.x hours 23:07:32 <bobo_b> so i guess i'm gonna hit the bed 23:07:39 <Bjarni> o_O 23:07:42 <SmatZ> :-p 23:07:53 <Bjarni> looks like bobo_b heads for bed to get his 6 23:08:19 <bobo_b> yep 23:09:51 <bobo_b> ok, good night 23:09:54 <bobo_b> and see you 23:10:02 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:08 <Bjarni> you want video chat now? 23:10:18 <Bjarni> I'm not sure I would waste the bandwidth on such a thing 23:11:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:12:05 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:13 <bobo_b> erm 23:13:15 <bobo_b> read you? 23:13:49 <bobo_b> i got so much bandwidth i'm video chatting with a tree in sweden 24/7 just to use parts of it... 23:14:08 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 23:14:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 23:16:54 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:54 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 23:17:10 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:08 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:23:12 <deghost> omg 23:23:14 <deghost> me too 23:23:18 <deghost> can i talk to the tree? 23:26:25 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:33 <Rubidium> videochatting with a tree in Sweden? Shouldn't that be one in the Netherlands? 23:26:48 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 23:26:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 23:29:51 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Irene_of_the_Netherlands#Since_divorce <- she's talking to trees too 23:31:12 <otih> scarabeus: perfect! thanks for your help! 23:43:40 *** glx_ [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 23:45:02 *** glx is now known as Guest1167 23:45:02 *** glx_ is now known as glx 23:48:39 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@gprs1.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:00 *** Guest1167 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:00 *** EoD [~eod@ppp-93-104-116-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b3/20090314143441]] 23:53:31 *** EoD [~chatzilla@2001:a60:f066:0:253c:4d70:460f:3c9e] has joined #openttd 23:55:07 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd