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00:00:40 <Sacro> SmatZ: hmm\ 00:01:12 <Sacro> SmatZ: genius! *adds using namespace std; 00:01:13 <Sacro> * 00:01:23 <SmatZ> :) 00:02:10 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:36 <Sacro> stupid language, hate it now 00:07:33 <EoD> C is stupid? 00:07:43 <Aali> no, C++ is 00:08:59 <SmatZ> Sacro: you can compile C code in C++ compiler 00:09:32 <Sacro> I want to use C# 00:09:37 <SmatZ> if you don't use K&R and some C99 extensions ;) 00:12:20 <SmatZ> (and some further C features) 00:15:25 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-191-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15921 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h core/udp.cpp network.cpp): -Fix: some OSes don't like sizeof(sockaddr_storage) but want sizeof(sockaddr) or whatever is 'valid' for the given protocol 00:34:40 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet746.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:09 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177232073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:36:20 <EoD> i'll go to bed. Gn8 everyone 00:36:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:36:46 <Sacro> hmm, how do you decalare an istream in the header 00:37:51 *** glx_ [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 00:38:06 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:5095:a822:452c:1652] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b3/20090314143441]] 00:39:41 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:59 *** glx_ is now known as glx 00:40:01 <SmatZ> Sacro: extern maybe? 00:40:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:40:13 <SmatZ> extern in the header, and without extern in one file 00:40:16 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:16 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 00:40:22 <SmatZ> as with all other variables... 00:42:51 <Sacro> whoooo 00:42:55 <Sacro> ifs > *data works 00:43:01 <Sacro> but hmm, ifs > data doesn;t 00:43:03 <Sacro> i feel it should 00:43:17 <Sacro> I think I'm using a pointer when I shouldn't 00:43:27 <Sacro> though do I need to use a pointer when the object has a constructor... 00:43:28 <SmatZ> give it up 00:43:33 <SmatZ> C++ iostream sucks 00:43:40 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177236172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:04 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:49:08 <petern> no 00:49:20 <Sacro> SmatZ: I can't 00:49:21 <Sacro> Uni 00:53:49 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 00:57:59 <ben_> hum... 00:58:17 <ben_> i got a ship now but it doesn't load the stuff 00:59:03 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-191-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:59:05 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.67.252] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 00:59:54 <Belugas> indeed... yo need a crew for that 01:00:04 <Belugas> do you havea crew? 01:00:05 <ben_> oh 01:00:08 <Belugas> you're DOOM! 01:00:09 <ben_> how do i get that? 01:00:10 <Belugas> ED 01:00:15 <Belugas> it's a joke... 01:00:18 <Belugas> sorry 01:00:49 <Belugas> your ship must have 1) order to load, 2) able to carry that stuff 01:01:00 <Belugas> 3) there is stuff to carry at station 01:01:09 <Belugas> hme.. dock 01:01:31 <ben_> that's all there 01:02:10 <Belugas> well.. if it's the case, my crystal ball is broken 01:02:17 <Belugas> might give us a screenshot? 01:02:24 <Belugas> ho... is it on pause? 01:03:28 <ben_> no 01:04:41 <Belugas> might give us a screenshot? 01:06:44 <ben_> Belugas: http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5122/ttdship.png 01:07:47 <Belugas> your ship is at the farm? 01:08:01 <Belugas> if so, he is loading alright 01:08:05 <Rubidium> have you refitted it? 01:08:06 <Belugas> i see 2% 01:08:41 <ben_> no it's 0% 01:08:43 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1300 01:08:45 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:03 <Belugas> ho.. well.. screenshot is blurred of me srry 01:09:17 <ben_> np 01:09:22 <Belugas> could you give us a screenshot of the properties of the boat? 01:10:25 <ben_> Belugas: (i've clicked on the go to dock icon accidentally) http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2166/ttdship1.png 01:11:02 <Belugas> yopu see the sheet of paper on that window? 01:11:13 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1F793.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:13 <Belugas> that's what i want you to clock on and give me the resuylt 01:11:23 <Belugas> ---- my wife is going to kill me --- 01:11:27 <ben_> oh that one sry 01:11:32 <Belugas> she is already screaming 01:11:50 <ben_> uh sry 01:12:04 <ben_> you'd better go, don't you? :) 01:12:13 <ben_> ok let's make it quick: http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2166/ttdship1.png 01:12:50 *** Guest1300 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:16 <Belugas> there you go 01:13:23 <Belugas> your ship is setup to carry goods 01:13:44 <Belugas> not what a farm can offer :) 01:13:45 <glx> farms don't produce goods 01:14:44 <ben_> ah k thanks! 01:14:49 <Belugas> you have to refit it, as Rubidium asked to carry either grain or livestok 01:14:57 <Belugas> have fun :) 01:15:04 <ben_> I will, thanks :) 01:15:22 <Belugas> see? we're not as bad as sirkoz might make you think we are o_O 01:15:25 <Belugas> amother joke... 01:15:31 <Belugas> good night 01:16:49 <ben_> good night 01:18:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F680.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:59 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 01:19:51 <ben_> is it possible to drive oil to another oil well and put it in a railway there? 01:21:01 <glx> yes transfer it 01:21:34 <ben_> k, i just need a railway station and a truck station there? 01:22:08 <Sacro> hmm 01:22:18 <Sacro> how do I grep just 0 on a line 01:22:27 <Sacro> surely grep ^0$ should wokr 01:22:59 <ben_> Sacro: yes 01:23:21 <Sacro> well it doesn't :( 01:24:25 *** Hendikins is now known as Hendikins|SRA412 01:25:04 <Sacro> oh hang on 01:25:04 <ben_> Sacro: here it does :) 01:25:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15922 /trunk/src/network/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the ways to listen on a socket 01:25:12 <Sacro> that says numberOfInts = 10000 01:25:16 <Sacro> and i'm only reading 1000 XD 01:25:31 <ben_> *g* 01:27:49 * welshdragon goes to bed 01:28:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15923 /extra/masterserver_updater/ (15 files in 5 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: update everything so it compiles again 01:33:43 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 01:42:07 * Sacro bangs his head against the wall 01:42:38 <Rubidium> be careful not to break the wall 01:42:55 <Sacro> I think my app is losing pointers 01:43:28 <Sacro> if I do this->write(cout) during the read() all my data is fine 01:43:31 <Rubidium> luckily your os keeps track of the lost pointers 01:43:44 <Sacro> but if I drop out the read then it returns 0s :( 01:44:20 <Sacro> I'm not even sure what's dropping the data 01:45:07 <Sacro> where is it getting 0 from >< 01:45:20 <Sacro> at least if it was random crap then I'd know it was reading memory 01:45:31 <Sacro> i think it must be reading NULL and converting it to 0 01:45:39 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:19 <Sacro> hmm, insertion sort on an array seems like messy business 01:49:19 <Sacro> and I bet I can't get away with std::__insertion_sort 01:51:56 <Sacro> eh, I have to implement my own sorting route 01:51:59 <Sacro> *routine 01:52:11 <Sacro> I don't have my own :( i'm pretty sure all the good ones are done 01:57:10 <Sacro> anyone here used it? I can find no documentation 02:02:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:02:44 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:47 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 02:26:10 *** ctibor__ [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:32:01 *** ben_ [~ben@i3ED6D408.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Have you tried turning it off and on again?] 02:36:38 <glx> Sacro: google bubble sort 02:37:23 * glx should read before writing 02:44:34 <Sacro> glx: it's on reading, so gonna use insertion 02:44:45 <Sacro> might do bubble for the read data sort 02:44:52 <Sacro> just having a major scoping headache 02:44:59 <Sacro> I hate C++ after using C# 02:46:50 <Sacro> I've even tried declaring it in the constructer, the array is there 02:46:57 <Sacro> but none of the data lasts past the end of the writing scope 02:46:58 *** glx_ [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 02:47:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 02:47:01 <Sacro> er, reading scope 02:47:14 *** glx is now known as Guest1312 02:47:15 *** glx_ is now known as glx 02:47:17 <Sacro> Sacro: I've even tried declaring it in the constructer, the array is there 02:47:18 <Sacro> [03:46] Sacro: but none of the data lasts past the end of the writing scope 02:47:21 <Sacro> glx: ^ 02:48:20 <glx> well my brain is tired 02:48:57 <Sacro> mine too 02:54:05 *** Guest1312 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:38 *** FiCE [~anonymous@c122-107-157-71.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:03:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:03:52 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03:55 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:08:40 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:25:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:25:38 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:41 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:33:33 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 03:38:24 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 04:59:07 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:59:32 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm83.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:27:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:27:28 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:27:32 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 05:30:37 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0FB72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:32:36 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:44:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F793.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:50:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:15 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 06:27:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:32:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 06:49:29 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:53 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:54:49 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:01:51 <Alberth> good morning 07:24:49 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:30:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:41:54 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.230.20.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 07:46:43 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:56:29 <planetmaker> good morning 07:56:54 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has joined #openttd 07:59:09 <TrueBrain> morning 08:06:12 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 08:11:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F793.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:57 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:45 <TrueBrain> I feel sad, I fail to reach tt-forums :( 08:19:39 <planetmaker> not only you, TrueBrain 08:19:49 <TrueBrain> I did spot an IPv6 assigned to tt-forums.net :p 08:19:49 <Forked> eeek! 08:19:58 <planetmaker> but then look at positively: no offending posts by demanding people :D 08:20:13 <petern> planetmaker, don't forget, adding 'please' means it's not a demand... 08:20:34 <planetmaker> petern: oh, sorry. I keep forgetting it. Thanks for the reminder :P 08:20:38 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yes, tt-forums is on IPv6 08:20:39 <TrueBrain> petern: I know a few situations that doesn't hold :p 08:20:51 <petern> SO GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF, please 08:20:56 <petern> yeha 08:20:59 <TrueBrain> ;) 08:21:02 <petern> orudge knows it's broken 08:21:10 <petern> jonty-comp broke it but denies everything 08:21:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: amazing, how fast such virus can grow :p 08:21:27 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:21:47 <petern> 6vpikka 08:22:25 <Pikka> 6voui 08:22:42 <TrueBrain> I can't live without tt-forums 08:22:45 <TrueBrain> I feel like dying :( 08:22:49 <TrueBrain> please 08:22:53 <TrueBrain> (before you think it is a demand :p) 08:24:54 <TrueBrain> @calc 6559 / 695966 08:24:54 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.00942431095772 08:24:59 <TrueBrain> @calc 6559 / 695966 * 100 08:24:59 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.942431095772 08:25:09 <TrueBrain> 0.9% is IPv6 traffic to openttd.org httpd server :p 08:25:33 <gleeb> Interesting fact. 08:25:42 <TrueBrain> a very sad fact 08:25:57 <gleeb> Sad LOL or Sad :'( 08:25:59 <gleeb> ? 08:26:13 <TrueBrain> can lol be sad? So :'( 08:26:13 <planetmaker> I wonder whether ipv6 will finally take over or whether these ugly hacks like ipv4-expansion via ports will start picking up... 08:26:29 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I really really really hope IPv6 takes over :) 08:26:34 <TrueBrain> rather sooner than later ... 08:26:37 <gleeb> IPv4 expansion via ports? O.o 08:26:43 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: sounds like the way better solution, yes, TrueBrain 08:26:56 <planetmaker> gleeb: read the proper magazines. yes 08:27:10 <gleeb> That sounds like it's asking for trouble. 08:27:19 <Forked> one needs the ability to have vanity IPs.. like some efnet server that has something:something::dead:beef:cafe:babe 08:27:19 <gleeb> Also, I don't read magazines :'( 08:27:35 <TrueBrain> besides the old hardware of petern, most things are IPv6 ready ... either they just ask too much money for it, or they simply don't publish it to their clients (ISPs, that is) 08:28:05 <TrueBrain> although the iPhone doens't support IPv6 ... 08:28:20 <Forked> iphones have mms trouble here anyway.. so 08:28:23 <gleeb> Why would it? Sell it as a 'value-add' 08:28:38 <TrueBrain> Forked: iPhone doesn't support MMS (yet) 08:28:48 <Forked> thats a pretty basic functuion in todays phones 08:29:04 <gleeb> Yay, forum's back :3 08:38:27 <petern> what's MMS? 08:39:09 <gleeb> Multimedia Messaging Service. 08:39:18 <gleeb> SMS with shiny things :3 08:40:09 <TrueBrain> it is useless 08:40:20 <petern> never used it 08:40:32 <TrueBrain> for MMS you need to setup a data-carrier .. SMS goes over the service control ... much more coverage :p 08:40:39 <petern> only use SMS and voice 08:40:49 <petern> i once made a 3G video call, but only to test it, heh 08:40:56 <gleeb> It's not useless. How else would you sister be able to send you that picture of a cute puppy with a bappy photoshopped grin on it's face to you? 08:41:01 <TrueBrain> I never had a video call :( 08:41:06 <TrueBrain> gleeb: I call that email 08:41:16 <gleeb> I call it sarcasm ;) 08:41:27 <TrueBrain> I guess we both do :) 08:41:59 <petern> my mobile supports voip too, heh 08:49:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051082070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:58:38 <Ammler> TrueBrain: your task ;-) http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42632 08:59:02 <Ammler> g'day all 08:59:48 <TrueBrain> Ammler: why? Nobody is replying idiotic things in that topic :p 09:00:18 <Ammler> he made that topic, because you locked his even more idiotic topic :-D 09:00:27 <TrueBrain> no, follow the timestamps ... 09:00:36 <Ammler> not 09:01:04 <Ammler> omg 09:01:20 <TrueBrain> you should really check facts before talking :p 09:01:44 <Ammler> nah, it is ok 09:01:51 <TrueBrain> no, it is not! 09:02:01 <TrueBrain> you point me to some topic with some kind of complain.. while it is invalid 09:02:03 <TrueBrain> YOU WASTED MY TIME! 09:02:09 <TrueBrain> now you will be punished! 09:02:12 <TrueBrain> BE AWARE! 09:02:16 <Ammler> :-( 09:02:22 <TrueBrain> now go sit in a corner 09:02:25 <petern> not punished 09:02:28 <petern> invoiced for time 09:02:34 <petern> minimum block 1 hour 09:02:56 <TrueBrain> 170 euro an hour, you want to do the donation yourself Ammler, or do we need to come at your home? :p 09:04:24 *** mikl [~mikl@94.191.230.20.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 09:06:05 <Ammler> btw, thanks for fixing the rss feeds 09:06:17 <Ammler> (need to change the topic) 09:06:34 <TrueBrain> the hg ones? 09:06:44 <Ammler> yeppi 09:07:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15924 /trunk/src/network/core/ (address.cpp address.h host.cpp host.h): -Codechange: replace NetworkResolveHost with something less AF dependant. 09:08:28 <Cybertinus> w00t 09:08:38 <Cybertinus> my package manager had a surprise for me today: 09:08:42 <Cybertinus> oTTD 0.7.0 :D 09:08:46 <Cybertinus> nice work :) 09:09:13 <petern> hah 09:09:15 <petern> what OS? 09:09:21 <Cybertinus> Gentoo (Linux) 09:09:30 <gleeb> I wish ubuntu realised that games need updating more than once every 6 months. 09:09:40 <petern> heh 09:09:54 <petern> 0.7.0 actually got into gentoo? hah 09:09:56 <Rubidium> gleeb: ubuntu doesn't even update; it just leeches from Debian 09:09:56 <Cybertinus> heh, that is one of the reasons I use a rolling release distro ;) 09:09:57 <Ammler> suse needs around an hour from release to repo... 09:10:19 <Ammler> (and other 2-10 for the mirrors) 09:10:22 <petern> i prefer a tested stable distro 09:10:28 <petern> so i use debian 09:10:40 <Cybertinus> petern: yeah, it is in :). There where a lot of problems for the 0.6.3 version, wasn't there? 09:10:54 <gleeb> Rubidium: I just download the generic binaries... and tbh, oTTD doesn't perform well for my under linux, so I play in Windows. 09:11:00 <Ammler> well, debian has also "unstable" repos ;-) 09:11:43 <Rubidium> gleeb: you're playing with music? 09:12:30 <Ammler> (so has suse "stable" repos, which has maybe version 0.5 of openttd) 09:12:37 <gleeb> Rubidium: No. 09:12:47 <Cybertinus> gonna update my Vista laptop also now 09:12:58 <Cybertinus> and my Eee (running a Ubuntu clone) 09:13:12 <Cybertinus> and I must check if there is a new version for my Windows Mobile phone... :) 09:13:16 <petern> so it's just ubuntu with its fixed 6 month release schedule, bugs or not 09:13:36 <petern> debian unstable still has 0.6.3, heh 09:13:44 <petern> blathijs! 09:13:46 <Cybertinus> and backports? 09:15:12 <petern> dunno, i only look at the official repos 09:15:34 <Ammler> somtimes, there were also betas or RCs in the repo here :-) 09:16:02 <Ammler> (not just of openttd) 09:16:11 <blathijs> petern: I'm slightly challenged for time atm 09:16:22 <blathijs> I'll try to get around to it in the train this afternoon 09:16:42 <petern> it's not urgent ;) 09:16:42 <Cybertinus> petern: ok. I'm using backports on my Eee, gonna check now if it has 0.7.0 09:17:00 <Ammler> can't include the binaries.openttd.org as repo? 09:17:05 <Ammler> you* 09:17:15 <petern> it's not a debian-style repo, so no 09:17:55 <TrueBrain> we once worked on making debian-style repo at packages.openttd.org 09:18:04 <TrueBrain> but ... blathijs never finished that :p :p 09:18:33 <blathijs> The problem is that you want to have different package names, and I never decided what would be the least hacky way to implement that :-) 09:18:52 <petern> we want to have different package names? 09:19:08 <TrueBrain> blathijs: making choices is hard, I agree :) 09:19:15 <TrueBrain> petern: -trunk and stable debs 09:19:26 <petern> hm 09:19:28 <TrueBrain> so that you can have a nightly via apt-get :p 09:19:29 <Rubidium> blathijs: like http://rbijker.net/openttd/debian/ ? 09:19:32 <Cybertinus> pff, Ubuntu stil has 0.6.2 (no, that is not a type ;) ) 09:19:54 <petern> heh 09:19:57 <petern> 0.6.3 in jaunty 09:20:18 <blathijs> Rubidium: That seems to be splitting openttd into different packages, that's a different project 09:20:24 <blathijs> Rubidium: Which is also still on my list :-) 09:20:25 <petern> 0.6.3 probably came too late for intrepid 09:21:00 <TrueBrain> out-dated idea with content service :p 09:21:17 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: really? 09:21:34 <blathijs> TrueBrain: The -dedicated-server is still useful 09:21:41 <Rubidium> you mean that the intro game and languages should be downloaded via the content service? 09:21:46 <TrueBrain> blathijs: fair enough :) 09:21:47 <Ammler> not, if you need the client for downloading the content.... 09:21:49 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: now that is an idea! :p 09:21:54 <blathijs> TrueBrain: And I think that even with the content service, there is still data in the package 09:21:58 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no, I mean that putting languages in a different package is asking for trouble :) 09:21:59 <petern> command-line content service 09:22:09 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: why? 09:22:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: because they depend on the executable .. things change too fast 09:22:30 <TrueBrain> I don't think ther ecomes much good of splitting those 09:22:30 <petern> that's what dependencies are for :) 09:22:36 <Rubidium> so, it depends on a specific version of OpenTTD 09:22:38 <petern> but yeah, probably not needed 09:22:39 <TrueBrain> petern: so a 1-on-1 dep .. sounds useful ;) 09:22:56 <petern> it just makes the binary packages smaller 09:23:08 <Rubidium> and with like 10 binary packets 09:23:12 <TrueBrain> and always adds the requirement to download an other package ... usefulness :) 09:23:27 <Rubidium> that saves 15 MB 09:23:28 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8657.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:23:32 <petern> per version 09:23:40 <Ammler> TrueBrain: more important is that you don't need all languages at once, usually. 09:23:46 <petern> no 09:23:51 <petern> don't split up languages too :p 09:23:55 <TrueBrain> Ammler: well, that is true .. so we make a language deb for all languages 09:23:57 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that's why I didn't commit those changes to trunk. For manual install a single package is much easier 09:23:58 <TrueBrain> then it MIGHT be useful :p 09:24:17 <Ammler> no. bananas 09:24:20 <Rubidium> but for non-manual install it doesn't matter that the package depends on subpackages 09:24:30 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it is just silly :) To have 2 packages which always come hand-in-hand 09:24:38 <TrueBrain> it is not like you can have version A of the first, and version B of the second 09:24:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: it's to save space 09:25:01 <TrueBrain> how? 09:25:12 <TrueBrain> you want to keep track of when you don't need to download a new language package or something? :p 09:25:14 <petern> as already explained :s 09:25:25 <petern> it saves space on the repo, not on the user's system 09:25:29 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:36 <TrueBrain> petern: I even fail to see how it saves space on the repos :) 09:25:38 <Rubidium> a 2 MB data package and 10 1.3 MB binary packages vs 10 3.3 binary packages, please do the math 09:25:41 <TrueBrain> but .. it is early in the morning :p 09:25:46 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:25:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: 'data' package .. we talked about languages, right? 09:26:16 <Rubidium> yes and the intro game 09:26:27 <petern> all cross-platform 09:26:28 <Rubidium> and openttd[dw].grf 09:26:29 <TrueBrain> the intro-game size is .. well .. there you might save space :p 09:26:51 <TrueBrain> but for languages .. 09:27:13 <TrueBrain> as you made the habbit of doing a wt2 commit every night or so 09:27:17 <TrueBrain> that changes every night too ... 09:27:38 <TrueBrain> but okay :) It might be just me that things it is silly :p 09:28:31 <Rubidium> I said it already, but will say it again: I DO NOT INTEND TO COMMIT THIS TO OUR TRUNK/RELEASES AS MANUALLY INSTALLING MULTIPLE PACKAGES IS STUPID, BUT FOR THE MAIN DEBIAN REPOSITORY SPLITTING THE PACKAGES IS A GOOD THING (AT LEAST SPACE RELATED) 09:28:41 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: your capslock is on 09:29:11 <Rubidium> no I was literally shouting, but apparantly my voice wasn't loud enough 09:29:18 <Rubidium> it flipped some bits though ;) 09:29:51 <TrueBrain> come for some tea, then you can shout in my face :) 09:29:57 <TrueBrain> might be a nice intermetzo :) 09:32:25 <TrueBrain> after a nice PM talk with Rubidium, I finally understand he talks about multiple targets of one version of OpenTTD .. 09:32:58 <TrueBrain> always nice, to understand people :p 09:35:17 <petern> what was already stated :p 09:35:25 <petern> -at+ich 09:35:42 <TrueBrain> stiched? :p 09:35:51 <petern> :o 09:35:57 <TrueBrain> btw, debian description says you need the windows files of TT .. ;) 09:36:04 * Rubidium wonders why Gentoo only supports OpenTTD on 4 of the 8 platforms 09:36:13 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lack of testers, mostly 09:36:19 <petern> you doi 09:36:23 <petern> opengfx is unplayable :p 09:36:30 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Is opengfx fully usable already, then? 09:36:41 <TrueBrain> blathijs: no, but you can use the dos files too, not? :) 09:36:47 <petern> oh, true 09:36:54 <TrueBrain> sorry, I was pointing at the word ;) 09:37:29 <Rubidium> my patch already fixes that though ;) 09:37:55 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, that was not so before :-) 09:38:07 <TrueBrain> and can I ask .. don't know if I want to .. but .. why does debian build with -g? 09:38:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:39:21 <Ammler> someone a idea, where I can get ubidi_openSized_3_8? 09:39:31 <Rubidium> libicu 3.8 09:39:51 <Rubidium> libicuuc 3.8 to be more precise 09:39:55 *** Sir_Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:40:12 <Ammler> that is installed, but no such file there 09:40:38 <Ammler> that might have changed with version 4 09:40:41 <Rubidium> /usr/lib/libicuuc.so.38 ? 09:40:52 <Ammler> aha 09:41:16 <Rubidium> and that is NOT a symlink to /usr/lib/libicuuc.so.40 09:42:05 <Ammler> so it would need a installation of version 3.8 to run openttd nightlies? 09:42:21 <Ammler> symlinks worked for every other lib 09:42:31 <TrueBrain> which OS? 09:42:40 <Ammler> suse 11.1 09:43:09 <Rubidium> because icu doesn't like that 09:43:38 * Ammler is wondering if I can get the old version somewhere on the repos... 09:44:31 <Ammler> if 4.0 isn't downwards compatible, it should. 09:44:45 <TrueBrain> I hate new versions of libs ... 09:45:04 <Alberth> Ammler: there is probably a reason why they didn't call it 3.9 09:45:11 <Ammler> ususally, I just symlinked to the older, so I didn't mind. 09:45:29 <TrueBrain> Ammler: but why don't you just compile yourself? 09:45:42 <Ammler> ah, I do, I need to... 09:46:28 <Ammler> just sometimes, it would go faster, specially, if you just like to try something on an older version... 09:47:04 <Ammler> or plain support for "our" players 09:47:24 <Ammler> there exists linux users who can't compile self 09:48:28 <Rubidium> the real question is whether 3.8 or 4.0 is on the majority of the installs 09:49:53 <Ammler> Rubidium: oh well, I guess, suse is too new compared to other didstros 09:50:08 <Ammler> so I was familiar with the symlinks 09:50:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.230] has joined #openttd 10:06:09 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:19 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:14:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:21:38 <petern> seems that the network code core has been completely rewritten :/ 10:21:51 <petern> or is that just the diffs making it look like bigger changes... 10:22:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet562.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:24:11 <Rubidium> it's more of the latter 10:24:46 <Ammler> hmm, also the "stable" suse has already 4.0 10:25:02 <TrueBrain> sue them! 10:25:48 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 10:25:49 <TrueBrain> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." 10:25:56 <Gekz> old 10:25:56 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:26:05 <TrueBrain> that I might hope 10:26:21 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:26:55 <Ammler> the repo of the older distro has it :-) I try that 10:30:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15925 /trunk/src/network/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: remove _network_server_bind_ip as it's pretty AF dependant. 10:30:52 <dihedral> AF = Ant Farm? :-P 10:31:12 <Prof_Frink> AutoFocus. 10:34:57 <TrueBrain> Ass Factory 10:35:38 <Rubidium> ah f#$@ 10:36:19 <petern> address family 10:36:27 <TrueBrain> petern: why you have to spoil it :( 10:36:32 <petern> oh 10:40:54 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:41:25 <Ammler> ha, that is almost complicater then compiling: rpm -i --force libicu-3.8.1-21.1.i586.rpm, but now openttd nightly runs :-) 10:42:03 <petern> may the --force be with you 10:42:11 <petern> (congratulations on screwing up your system) 10:42:24 <Gekz> losls 10:42:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet562.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:56 <Ammler> petern: else you would deinstall the 4.0 10:43:30 <Ammler> need to* 10:44:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:45:51 * TrueBrain is happy with Gentoo slots :) 10:46:22 <Ammler> hehe, after "reinstalling" 4.0, 3.8 is gone again 10:46:55 <Ammler> yeah, "they" already told me, with gentoo, it is possible to have different versions of the same package 10:46:59 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01a30.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:47:15 <TrueBrain> not always, but mostly, yes 10:49:09 <Ammler> well, it was possible with my suse, too, just not supported ;-) 10:50:00 <Ammler> (I keep compiling...) 10:51:37 <TrueBrain> the compile-farm keeps compiling too :p 10:51:39 <TrueBrain> lol 10:51:50 <Ammler> hehe 10:52:21 <petern> hmm 10:53:31 <TrueBrain> oeh, freezer is cold 10:53:38 <petern> odd that 10:53:52 <petern> hmm, should i use vpses or just ip aliasing... 10:54:44 <DASPRiD> http://www.flei.net/files/sonstiges/optik/063flei.jpg 10:55:47 <petern> :o 10:56:46 <eQualizer> One of my trains "broke". It's at the station, unable to move. Only thing it does it switches direction. Like 2 to 3 times per second. 10:57:39 <eQualizer> Sending it to depot doesn't work, unable to find one, switching destination doesn't either. It just switches direction. 10:57:45 <Ammler> newgrf changes? 10:57:51 <eQualizer> OpenGFX only 10:58:24 <Ammler> looks like the engine is replaced by waggon 10:58:37 <Ammler> but opengfx doesn't do that 10:58:56 <Ammler> did you try to ignore signal? 11:02:01 <petern> my crystal ball is not working as efficiently as Ammler's this morning 11:02:02 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15926 /trunk/src/network/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make the broadcast IP list less AF dependent. 11:03:07 <petern> i dislike auto-focus 11:05:21 <Ammler> why isn't sikoz in this channel? 11:05:26 <Ammler> r 11:05:51 <petern> because he'd be banned in an instant 11:06:01 <planetmaker> :P 11:06:05 <petern> maybe he's already banned :p 11:06:32 <planetmaker> eQualizer: it's a electric train in a station with non-electric tracks outside 11:06:55 <planetmaker> maybe :) 11:07:03 <petern> layer-8 problem? 11:07:10 <planetmaker> hehe 11:08:16 <Forked> how did the train get into the station in the first place? :) 11:08:32 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:46 <Rubidium> newgrf changes? 11:09:02 <Ammler> use your balls, guys! 11:09:42 <Ammler> -s 11:10:33 <eQualizer> planetmaker: Maglev at maglev station 11:11:30 <eQualizer> But, because everything else fails, I might just well try to make other train crash to it. 11:11:34 <planetmaker> very true :) Despite that: non-track tiles next to it? 11:11:41 <planetmaker> signals? 11:11:49 <petern> stale reserved tiles? 11:12:02 <petern> we can keep guessing for hours 11:12:06 <eQualizer> One PBS signal at the end of the station 11:12:10 <eQualizer> Stale reserved tiles? 11:12:23 <petern> jesus 11:12:26 <petern> here's a HINT 11:12:32 <petern> provide a screenshot and/or savegame 11:13:45 <eQualizer> Where should I upload the savegame? 11:16:54 *** going_to_hell [~ttdopen@pierrew.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:23 <Alberth> tt-forums, or a pastebin for binary files 11:18:34 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:18:49 * TrueBrain likes petern more and more :) 11:27:37 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 11:28:14 <Rubidium> #love is in the air ;) 11:29:06 <Ammler> tried to determine reserved tiles with "ignore signals" 11:37:19 <eQualizer> I did a bug report about it. 11:37:20 <fonsinchen> updated cargodist: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41992&start=0 11:37:39 <fonsinchen> with partial rewrite of vehicle loading in flowmapping-vehload.diff 11:38:50 <petern> eQualizer, ok 11:39:13 <petern> i can only look at images atm so it'll have to be later, or someone else 11:40:45 <Ammler> "maybe modified"? 11:40:55 <Ammler> (in the gamelog) 11:41:53 <Rubidium> it's a monorail train on maglev? 11:42:10 <Ammler> yeah 11:42:40 <planetmaker> doesn't sound healthy... 11:42:45 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:42:54 <Rubidium> hmm, you can replace tracks when there's a vehicle on there... that ain't good 11:43:06 <Ammler> eQualizer: just add a monorail depot to the station 11:43:11 <planetmaker> Rubidium, that wasn't always the case, no? 11:43:23 *** Sir_Bob [~chatzilla@c114-76-62-29.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 11:43:37 <Rubidium> no, previously you couldn't convert normal rail to elrail 11:43:41 <eQualizer> .... no I feel so stupid. 11:43:42 <Rubidium> but this shouldn't be possible 11:43:46 <eQualizer> I can't belive I missed that. 11:43:50 <eQualizer> now 11:44:07 <Ammler> what does "maybe modified" mean? 11:44:08 <planetmaker> I didn't notice that change up to now... at least not conciously :D 11:44:23 <TrueBrain> Ammler: that it might be modified :p 11:44:36 <planetmaker> rXXXXXM :P ? 11:45:11 <Ammler> a modified binary but with "stable" rev number? 11:45:29 <planetmaker> Ammler, that's easy as you surely know :) 11:45:57 <Ammler> hmm? 11:46:27 <planetmaker> to fake a revision number 11:47:31 <Rubidium> I really wonder how he did it; if you convert it to monorail then you can't convert it back 11:47:32 <Ammler> so if you "remove" the M, it gets a "maybe"? 11:48:26 <Ammler> it is monorail 11:48:45 <Ammler> just add some monrail tracks 11:49:42 <Ammler> [13:41] <Rubidium> it's a monorail train on maglev? <-- it is monoral train on monorail tracks ;-) 11:49:51 <Ammler> a 11:50:15 <Rubidium> yeah, I realised that later too ;) 11:50:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:50:58 <Pikka> hmmm... no prop 25 for non-train vehicles anyway, petern.. D: 11:51:03 <Pikka> roll on var 7C for vehicles. ^^; 11:51:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.17.239] has joined #openttd 11:52:31 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D16C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:22 <petern> arrrr 11:57:29 <TrueBrain> you are a pirate? 11:57:32 <petern> yes 11:57:39 <TrueBrain> cool :) 11:57:49 <petern> so you want persistent storage for vehicles... hmm 11:57:51 <TrueBrain> Kate has this lovely 'search' function .. which fails to find entries of your search :( 11:58:14 <Pikka> yes petern 11:58:20 <Pikka> the possibilities... ;) 11:58:34 *** ben_ [~ben@i3ED6CEC4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:58:35 <ben_> hi 11:58:42 <petern> lots of opportunities for desyncs 11:59:18 <petern> well 11:59:26 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:59:49 <ben_> I've built a train station besides a dock. i've told the train to transfer its wood there. but the ship always says 0% loaded 11:59:53 <ben_> it is fitted to wood 11:59:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15927 /trunk/src/genworld_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widget for generate-world windows 12:01:19 <Alberth> ben_: any wood at the station? 12:01:25 <ben_> yes 12:01:40 <ben_> 161 tonnes of wood en route it says 12:01:59 <Alberth> station-sign shows both train and ship? 12:02:07 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8657.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:02:17 <ben_> station-sign? what's that? :) 12:02:41 <Alberth> name of the station has little trains/etc added at the end 12:02:51 <ben_> ah 12:02:52 <ben_> no 12:03:04 <planetmaker> :) 12:03:11 <planetmaker> then you have two stations 12:03:12 <Alberth> put your dock and station against each other 12:03:27 <planetmaker> make them one station 12:03:29 <Forked> distant join station works in 0.7.0? 12:03:32 <planetmaker> yes 12:03:38 <ben_> i have 0.6.0 12:03:42 <planetmaker> :O 12:03:56 <ben_> what do you mean with against each other? 12:04:02 <Alberth> do we support 0.6.0 any more? :P 12:04:19 <planetmaker> ben_, make them one station. So they have a common station sign. Adjacent. next to eachother. 12:04:29 <planetmaker> and update to 0.7.0 12:04:34 <Alberth> without any tiles between them 12:06:20 <ben_> ok now it works 12:06:21 <ben_> thanks 12:06:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:44 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 12:22:42 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, make what one station? 12:23:56 <Alberth> the ship dock and the train platforms 12:26:01 <DASPRiD> im not playing right now :x 12:26:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01a30.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 12:35:31 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37F052.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:03 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@212.99.255.41] has joined #openttd 12:38:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15928 /trunk/src/statusbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Moving statusbar widget numbers outside StatusBarWindow 12:40:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15929 /trunk/src/statusbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets for statusbar. 12:42:16 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D16C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:57 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D6A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:16 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37F052.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:18 <petern> DASPRiD, er, he wasn't talking to you :p 12:45:34 <DASPRiD> but im ben :x 12:45:43 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-191-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:45:48 <TrueBrain> you don't smell like him :( 12:45:59 <DASPRiD> :x 12:48:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15930 /trunk/src/network/core/ (host.cpp host.h): -Fix (r15926): MSVC compilation 12:48:40 <SmatZ> great, openttd-0.7.0 got in ~arch today :) 12:48:49 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: yeah 12:48:57 <TrueBrain> faster than any other version so far ... 12:49:02 <SmatZ> yeah :) 12:49:11 <petern> gentoo? 12:49:16 <petern> or is that ~arch? 12:49:20 <petern> i dunno 12:49:22 <petern> silly OSes 12:49:24 <SmatZ> yeah, gentoo :) 12:49:25 <TrueBrain> Gentoo :) 12:49:35 <petern> so arch isn't archlinux... 12:49:59 <SmatZ> no... it's ~x86, ~amd64 and such - "unstable" tree (or how is that called) 12:50:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15931 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: let the host and ban lists use of SmallVector. 12:51:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:52:37 <Ammler> TrueBrain: if you have some free time, might it be possible to push again h2h to compile? 12:52:50 <TrueBrain> Ammler: if Yexo wants that :) 12:52:52 <Ammler> oh wait 12:53:07 <Ammler> first I should look, if you didn't already ;-) 12:53:18 <TrueBrain> haha :) I didn't ;) 12:53:42 <Yexo> TrueBrain: that would be nice, because the compiled version can crash 12:53:53 <TrueBrain> Yexo: no suprise ;) :p 12:53:54 <petern> Rubidium, grammar? :D 12:54:01 <Ammler> oh, Yexo is here, :-) 12:54:04 <TrueBrain> Yexo: so you want a compile? :) 12:54:06 <Yexo> Ammler: unfortunatly I don't have to look at the match tonight 12:54:08 <planetmaker> Yexo, the current hg version desyncs, though 12:54:09 <Yexo> TrueBrain: yes :) 12:54:27 <Ammler> Yexo: we aren't sure, if we make it with the knonw desyncs 12:54:28 <planetmaker> or at least the current binary 12:54:29 <Yexo> planetmaker: yes, but I haven't found the problem yet, and no time to look at it before tonight 12:54:38 <planetmaker> :( 12:54:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15932 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: show ip:port as (fallback) servername instead of only the ip. This way you can clearly see there aren't any duplicates. 12:54:57 <Ammler> we will ask the people 12:55:36 <planetmaker> hm... the longer I think about it, the more I think we should delay it till after the desync is fixed. 12:55:47 <planetmaker> Though it might help us to pin-point it. 12:56:01 <Aali> or, you could fix the desync now 12:56:06 <Aali> :) 12:56:09 <planetmaker> But otoh it might decrease the people's willingness to test it :) 12:56:12 <planetmaker> Aali, :) 12:57:03 <Ammler> the test we made last night was fun anyway 12:57:08 <planetmaker> so... I'm undecided whether it's a good idea :) 12:57:08 <Ammler> also with the desyncs 12:57:18 <planetmaker> well, then. 12:57:29 <planetmaker> let's have the same fun tonight? 12:57:41 <Ammler> but it might be annoyning for some with slow connections 12:57:49 <Ammler> and we were only around 5 12:58:22 <Ammler> you were able to play for around 10-20 mins 12:58:38 <Yexo> if you don't expect more than 8 players, setting head_to_head_areas to 8 instead of 16 will halve the map size 12:58:57 <Ammler> yexo, yeah 12:59:08 <Ammler> might be a good idea... 12:59:37 <Ammler> but head-to-head is also nice to join later... 13:01:00 <planetmaker> Ammler, despite that, I think Yexo's proposal is a good one. We then could do a real coopetition :) 13:01:08 <planetmaker> 2 vs 2 vs 2 vs... 13:04:01 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:10 *** Yexo is now known as Guest1370 13:05:18 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:36 *** Guest1370 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:06:06 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: is the 0.7.0 ebuild working for you? 13:06:16 <SmatZ> Your 'grf/TRG1R.GRF' file is corrupted or missing! You can find it on your Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD-ROM. 13:06:23 <SmatZ> I wonder why is it searching in "grf/" 13:06:26 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: haven't tried it yet 13:07:40 <TrueBrain> they don't apply patches, so it should be fine 13:07:48 <TrueBrain> they even download from binaries.openttd.org :p 13:08:17 <TrueBrain> they only removed +zlib (and replaced it with zlib) 13:08:29 <TrueBrain> so if you don't have zlib in your flags .... :( 13:09:20 <Belugas> hello all 13:09:45 <TrueBrain> hi Belugas :) 13:11:42 <petern> why do we bother making zlib optional? 13:11:49 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:51 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 13:11:57 <TrueBrain> petern: that is exactly what they did, and what I complain about :p 13:12:04 <petern> no 13:12:13 <petern> i mean why do WE bother making it optional 13:12:22 <TrueBrain> ah :) Because we can ;) :p 13:14:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227085092.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:15:07 <SmatZ> the NDS port didn't have zlib... 13:15:18 <SmatZ> but it's dead nowadays 13:16:14 <petern> i think we ought to make zlib required 13:17:35 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.230] has joined #openttd 13:17:45 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 13:17:47 <petern> even if only in the configure script ;) 13:17:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01a30.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:21:58 <SmatZ> I don't really care 13:22:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051082070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:09 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:29:38 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:51 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CBE5.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:41 <petern> point 13:31:06 <Rubidium> comma 13:32:09 <Rubidium> it's gentoo's choice to make OpenTTD deliberately not working if you don't have zlib ;) 13:32:28 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:33 <petern> well, who doesn't have zlib... 13:39:41 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:42:38 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:45:28 <Roujin> hey guys, I just noticed a bug in 0.7.0, don't know if it's already been found and fixed: when selecting a server that uses NewGRFs from the server list and clicking on "NewGRF settings", the names of the newGRFs are gibberish 13:47:17 <Roujin> found this bug on a fresh install of 0.7.0 with one of Maarten's servers, to be precise -[EN/NL]- Maarten 6 (1950-2020,NewGRF,NoBrk,200k-GBP) 13:49:54 <petern> probably your firewall 13:52:22 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.230] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 13:59:05 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has joined #openttd 13:59:15 <EoD> hi 13:59:23 <TrueBrain> morning EoD 14:01:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15933 /trunk/src/network/core/ (address.cpp os_abstraction.h): -Fix (r15920): mingw doesn't know getaddrinfo() and freeaddrinfo() either 14:05:41 <TrueBrain> glx: shouldn't 'ai' have a final NULL entry? 14:06:00 <TrueBrain> oh, nevermind, it has a 'next' field 14:07:35 <TrueBrain> "Resolution only if global address configured" <- glx: what does that comment mean? (just wondering, really :)) 14:07:54 <glx> dunno (it comes from MSVC headers) 14:07:58 <TrueBrain> haha :) 14:08:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:08 <TrueBrain> k, tnx :) 14:08:38 <glx> anyway one day mingw will be fixed (I hope) 14:08:57 <TrueBrain> hehe, right :p 14:09:48 <glx> for now it's : /* FIXME: Need WS protocol-independent API helpers. */ 14:12:10 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:13:20 <petern> :o 14:14:34 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37D6A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com] 14:15:39 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:31 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:24:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:35:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 14:38:56 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8657.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 14:57:57 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@212.99.255.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:54 *** izhirahider [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:04 *** izhirahider [~izzy@izhirahider.user.oftc.net] has left #openttd [] 15:15:00 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 15:18:00 <petern> urgh 15:18:01 <petern> tired 15:21:16 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:21:27 <TrueBrain> petern: take a power-nap :) 15:22:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:22:33 <petern> my boss'll appreciate that 15:24:21 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:24:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15934 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Fix: work around Solaris' inability to "parse" 0 as defined in the specifications. 15:25:37 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 15:25:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:27:29 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:43 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:28:44 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:53 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498E46A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:29 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:37:32 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0E40C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:33 *** test [~opera@p57B2CB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:39:45 *** test [~opera@p57B2CB2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:40:09 <el_en> mind the gap 15:40:20 <TrueBrain> I hate gaps 15:42:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15935 /trunk/src/network/core/address.h: -Codechange: function to compare IP addresses (to sort them) 15:43:22 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:45:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15936 /extra/masterserver_updater/ (4 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Fix: compile failures due to updates in trunk 15:53:05 <petern> :o 15:55:02 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:18:56 <jpm> Hi 16:19:34 <jpm> Have anybody made patch to reduce passengers 16:20:40 <Belugas> a kill them all at station one? 16:20:58 <el_en> transport them to "factories"? 16:21:21 <jpm> to make city "produce" less passengers 16:21:27 <|Jeroen|> its nog logical that passangers wait more then a day at a station 16:21:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15937 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/ (helpers.hpp macros.h mysql.cpp string.cpp string_func.h): [MSU] -Codechange: replace macros.h and include the right core/(bit)math_func.hpp. 16:22:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15938 /trunk/src/network/core/host.cpp: -Fix: broadcast addresses detection was broken for win32 16:24:00 <Belugas> jpm, no, nobody wrote anything like that. It's not required, yuo can do the same by creating a grf who modifies the houses properties accordingly 16:24:22 <glx> jpm: don't use TTRS 16:24:27 <Belugas> |Jeroen|, a day is like less than a second on the game :) 16:24:46 <|Jeroen|> ow that would be kinda short then 16:25:04 <Belugas> pretty much indeed 16:25:06 <jpm> glx: What I supposed to use? 16:25:18 <glx> no town grf :) 16:25:18 <Sacro> jpm: fewer passengers 16:25:31 <jpm> glx: ok :) 16:25:37 <glx> TTRS is known to generate way too many passengers 16:27:25 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:10 <jpm> I like TTRS, so I'll check out how to kill some passengers... 16:31:14 <Belugas> apart having a very good transportation system, not much you can do if you keep on using it 16:31:46 <Alberth> jpm: don't have too many houses in the catchment area of your station 16:32:33 <jpm> I want serve to whole city.. 16:33:06 <Prof_Frink> Blow up every other house and build something in its place. 16:33:15 <glx> use a distant join rail station or airport 16:34:44 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:45 <jpm> I usually use distant join rail stations... airports just cant handle all passengers 16:35:03 <planetmaker> then build smarter rail networks :) 16:36:59 <jpm> hmm... I have build very high capacity networks but now I bored to build 3x2 railways for every single railstations near/in cities... 16:39:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15939 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (13 files in 4 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: initial support for binding to multiple IPs. 16:40:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc3ef.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:43:56 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:10 <TrueBrain> yeah, I managed to modify lighttpd to show IPv4s as IPv4s again :) 16:44:25 <SmatZ> :) 16:44:37 <TrueBrain> now wiki shows normal things again :p 16:45:11 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [] 16:45:41 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:29 *** EoD [~EoD@neumann.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has joined #openttd 16:50:00 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has left #openttd [] 16:50:15 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:17 <jonty-comp> wrong button 16:50:24 <jonty-comp> or button(s) 16:58:14 <jpm> Here is one example of high capacity passenger/mail service :) http://194.100.84.38/~pekka/images/highcapacity.png 17:02:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15940 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp network.cpp): -Codechange: move setting reuse address to the binding process. 17:13:05 <Roujin_> what's the reason for all those network related commits lately? 17:13:41 <TrueBrain> because he likes doing that :p 17:13:43 <TrueBrain> lol 17:14:13 <Roujin_> hmmm I doubt the truthfulness of this statement :P 17:14:23 <TrueBrain> I really hope he likes doing it 17:14:28 <TrueBrain> else ... something is wrong in general :) 17:14:31 <TrueBrain> goes for all developers here :p 17:15:13 <Roujin_> I did not say he doesn't like it. Just that him liking it is not the reason to do it :P 17:15:25 *** EoD [~EoD@neumann.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.7/2009030814]] 17:16:56 <Roujin_> "oh, I'll go and rewrite this, it's working perfectly already, but I just feel like rewriting it..." - nah... 17:16:59 * SmatZ agrees with TrueBrain 17:16:59 <Belugas> maybe it's a thing against boredom? 17:17:16 <TrueBrain> Roujin_: clearly it doesn't work perfect; so much is obvious :) 17:17:34 <frosch123> maybe he changes the protocol to something that needs less bandwidth and works to play between earth and iss 17:17:50 <TrueBrain> damn, that would be laggy :p 17:17:56 <Roujin_> frosch123: :D 17:18:18 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has joined #openttd 17:19:28 <Roujin_> TrueBrain: okay, so the reason is fixing/improving the network protocol. fine as an answer :P 17:20:05 <Rubidium> read the forum and you might get a clue 17:20:15 <jonty-comp> You should be adding ipv6 support, considering in the last two days everyone's suddenly decided to get it! :P 17:20:27 <EoD> ^^ 17:20:48 <SmatZ> IPv6? never! 17:21:01 * SmatZ denies everything 17:21:05 * Rubidium too 17:21:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15941 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h network_content.cpp): -Codechange: jonty-comp's wish partly implemented (content server) ;) 17:21:17 <jonty-comp> :o 17:21:41 <EoD> :-O 17:21:49 * EoD is shopping 17:22:07 <Roujin_> hooray for cryptic commit messages that no one understands in a few months :P 17:22:11 <jonty-comp> hehe 17:22:12 <frosch123> hmm, that is quite a short timespan between feature request and implementation :p 17:22:21 <SmatZ> hehe 17:22:26 <jonty-comp> I believe it is my first ever feature request too :D 17:22:41 <frosch123> then you should never do any again :) 17:23:27 <frosch123> resp. tell everyone you accept some millions for requesting features 17:23:35 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@0804ds7-fb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:23:44 <jonty-comp> but of course 17:23:50 <orudge> jonty-comp: you should request the winning lottery number generator 17:23:55 <Rubidium> frosch123: there have been feature requests with negative implementation time ;) 17:23:57 <orudge> then Rubidium will commit it a minute later 17:24:21 <jonty-comp> Nah, I won't bother 17:24:27 <orudge> :( 17:24:29 <frosch123> negative is cheating :) 17:24:30 <jonty-comp> I only do mostly useless features at the moment 17:24:48 <jonty-comp> perhaps I'll expand to life-changing features in the future 17:24:53 <Rubidium> orudge: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 <- will eventually be winning 17:24:59 * jonty-comp requests some tea from his oven 17:25:13 <SmatZ> owen? 17:25:15 <orudge> yes? 17:25:19 <SmatZ> :) 17:25:23 <orudge> :( 17:25:25 * jonty-comp requests some tea from his owen 17:25:34 * orudge gives jonty-comp a mouldy lump of mould 17:25:38 <orudge> that's for allegedly breaking (maybe) things! 17:25:40 <orudge> or not 17:25:52 <orudge> the logs alas provided no clue 17:26:08 <jonty-comp> I will from now on deny all involvement in the server that hosts both tt-forums and my VPS crashing this morning. 17:26:29 * jonty-comp notes that the tea request from his oven has been implemented, and goes to consume it 17:26:34 <orudge> oh 17:26:35 <orudge> that kind of tea 17:26:36 <orudge> not tea tea 17:26:41 <jonty-comp> dinner tea! 17:26:45 <orudge> food tea 17:26:51 <jonty-comp> I wouldn't make drink tea in an oven 17:26:57 <jonty-comp> anyway 17:27:03 * jonty-comp consumes orudge 17:27:08 <orudge> bugger thee orf D: 17:27:11 <SmatZ> :o) 17:29:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15942 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:29:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-03 17:29:01 17:29:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: icelandic - 3 changed by scrooge (3) 17:29:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 3 fixed by geckonas (3) 17:29:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 29 fixed by Jenraux (29) 17:29:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: slovak - 7 changed by ezimir (7) 17:29:37 *** Roujin_ [~chatzilla@mnch-5d860133.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 17:31:25 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@tiberius.ze.tum.de] has left #openttd [] 17:39:19 <petern> arrrr 17:39:28 <TrueBrain> he is a pirate 17:48:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:50:07 <TrueBrain> why do I always watch disguisting programs when I eat :( 17:51:20 <Prof_Frink> Because you misread the schedule. 17:51:33 <Prof_Frink> You wanted to watch digesting programs instead. 17:51:37 <SmatZ> hehe 17:51:43 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 17:52:23 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01a30.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: saufen \o/] 17:52:27 <petern> SixXS's reason box ... argh 17:52:34 <petern> that's why i never bothered filling it in before 17:52:54 <TrueBrain> petern: even if you do ........ well ... oh, I won't start again :p 17:53:03 <petern> reason: because i'm a sad git and want to mess around with ipv6 17:53:06 <petern> probably won't work :p 17:53:12 <SmatZ> hehehe 17:53:50 <TrueBrain> petern: use freenet6 17:53:53 <TrueBrain> or tunnelbroker 17:54:06 <petern> i did use BT's but it got taken down :( 17:54:25 <jonty-comp> freenet6 seems good so far 17:54:59 <TrueBrain> too bad I bounce via canada .. 17:55:12 <TrueBrain> SixXS would allow me to do it via my local ISP :p (which happen to have a PoP) 17:55:13 * jonty-comp enjoys compiling 0.7.0 ridiculously fast on this 8-core xeon server 17:55:23 <EoD> tunnelbroker.bet 17:55:25 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: give me access! :p 17:55:40 <jonty-comp> pfft 17:55:43 <jonty-comp> buy it from orudge 17:55:45 <jonty-comp> like I did! 17:55:50 <TrueBrain> the complete server? :p 17:55:53 <EoD> how much did you pay? 17:56:24 <jonty-comp> about £10 a month at the moment, although I should switch to pay-by-year for more cheapness 17:56:40 <jonty-comp> http://zernebok.co.uk/vps.php <-- it's the VPS 128! 17:56:42 <EoD> petern: If you fill in the reason box something like "i want to test ipv6" it should be fine 17:56:56 <jonty-comp> it does run out of ram a bit sometimes, but it's fine for what I need at the moment 17:59:22 <taisteluorava> my comp is just 4ghz e8400 ; ) 17:59:38 <TrueBrain> I need a SaN server at home .... 17:59:48 <Belugas> [13:57] <TrueBrain> too bad I bounce via canada .. <-- what the fack are you doing here? 17:59:48 <taisteluorava> does compiling even support multi threading? 17:59:56 <TrueBrain> Belugas: visiting you! :p 18:00:05 <Belugas> invisible man :( 18:00:05 <TrueBrain> taisteluorava: you are not seriously asking that, are you? 18:00:06 <Belugas> prrrrt 18:00:14 <TrueBrain> Belugas: well, over a wire I am :p 18:00:19 <Belugas> hehehe 18:00:24 <taisteluorava> ok, atleast openttd does not support it 18:00:43 <TrueBrain> the game, no ... not a suprise :) 18:00:47 <taisteluorava> uses only 1 core (4ghz) when creating a huge map 18:01:03 <Belugas> does compliing even support XML? 18:01:19 <TrueBrain> Belugas: with the magic 42 patch it does! :p 18:01:53 <Belugas> :D 18:02:47 <orudge> Does compiling support babby? 18:03:03 <jonty-comp> hmm, more impressive than compiling in about a minute is generating a 2048x512 map in about a second 18:03:08 <jonty-comp> even on one core 18:03:16 <EoD> how much GHz do you have? 18:03:32 <orudge> [18:54:58] <TrueBrain> too bad I bounce via canada .. <-- for some reason, when I try to access a server in France via IPv6, it gets bounced via New York 18:03:40 <orudge> via IPv4 the route is, as expected, more direct :p 18:03:48 <taisteluorava> its not just Ghz, like 4ghz pentium 4 just suck ; ) 18:03:54 <TrueBrain> orudge: IPv6 can auto-train itself wrongly :) 18:04:13 <orudge> [18:52:32] <petern> that's why i never bothered filling it in before <-- I entered in something like "wanting to test OpenTTD IPv6" a couple of years ago when I applied for SiXXS 18:04:16 <orudge> well, a year and a half ago, maybe 18:04:19 <orudge> they seemed content 18:04:24 <jonty-comp> EoD: http://vps.jontysewell.net/phpsysinfo/ 18:04:26 <orudge> that was when SpComb was hacking around on his thing, I think 18:04:42 <TrueBrain> orudge: I requested one for my private and for OpenTTD .. got denied .. only got one ... idiots .. 18:04:47 <orudge> hmm 18:04:49 <orudge> well 18:04:51 <TrueBrain> when I leave, OpenTTD is without IPv6 :p 18:04:53 <TrueBrain> ghehe 18:05:04 <orudge> I have two subnets and two tunnels 18:05:06 <TrueBrain> (just having such policy makes me go BRRR) 18:05:06 <orudge> but one with with a UK provider 18:05:08 <orudge> the other is with Leaseweb 18:05:19 <EoD> The only mistakes you can do about SixXS reasons: enter something like "I want to use IRC"... 18:05:21 <orudge> the UK provider is, obviously, for my home connection 18:05:33 <orudge> perhaps they didn't want to give you two from the same country or something :p 18:05:53 <TrueBrain> orudge: no, he said I already had one .. while I filled the 'comment' box with a long text explaining 18:05:56 <TrueBrain> why ask for comments if you don't read it 18:05:59 <TrueBrain> fuckheads.. 18:06:05 <orudge> ah 18:06:06 <orudge> hmm 18:06:14 <TrueBrain> still a bit pissed :p 18:06:15 <TrueBrain> ghehe 18:06:17 <orudge> quite 18:06:59 <TrueBrain> but okay, today we hit the 10 hits per second on the httpd ... not bad for an Open Source project, I say :) 18:07:38 <orudge> hmm, tt-forums has used 360MB of IPv4 bandwidth in the last hour, just 14MB of IPv6 bandwidth 18:07:45 <jonty-comp> still a lot I say! 18:07:56 <jonty-comp> there must be more than just me, TrueBrain and EoD using it :p 18:07:56 <TrueBrain> orudge: 0.9% of the hits is IPv6 for openttd.org 18:08:02 <orudge> jonty-comp: you've used 8.74MB IPv4, 3.63MB IPv6 :p 18:08:13 <jonty-comp> pfft 18:08:20 <EoD> orudge: what about me? 18:08:22 <jonty-comp> anyway, I need to go and move my grandma's furniture 18:08:26 <orudge> EoD: buy a Zernebok VPS 18:08:27 <orudge> then I can tell you! 18:08:29 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: gooddluck 18:08:30 <jonty-comp> and no, that isn't a euphemism 18:08:31 <EoD> ^^ 18:08:34 <orudge> jonty-comp: lovely :( 18:12:08 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 18:12:33 <EoD> 0.9% IPv6 traffic is a lot compared to worldwide ipv6 traffic (which is far below 0.9%... iirc ~0.5%) 18:13:07 <EoD> i hope my math isn't abandoning me again 18:13:45 <planetmaker> @join #coop.members 18:13:55 <TrueBrain> EoD: well ... we did a lot of tests, so that would not be suprising for a first day ;) 18:13:59 <TrueBrain> we will see tomorrow :) 18:14:28 <Ammler> hehe 18:16:04 *** EoD_ [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:09 <EoD_> .... 18:16:14 <EoD_> .... 18:16:16 <TrueBrain> I just had to kill your xserver 18:16:18 <TrueBrain> sorry 18:16:36 <EoD_> yeah, i recognized... 18:17:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:06 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 18:18:15 <fonsinchen> Since my last update all town names and loading indicators are truncated by 2 chars and have "..." appended instead 18:18:21 <EoD_> hi 18:18:36 <fonsinchen> I guess this is not intended ... 18:18:55 <Nite_Owl> Hello EoD_ 18:19:16 <TrueBrain> IPv4 hits: 414516 hits 18:19:17 <TrueBrain> IPv6 hits: 15304 hits 18:19:19 <TrueBrain> IPv6 ratio: 3.5605 % 18:19:20 <TrueBrain> todays stats 18:19:34 <EoD_> sounds really good for ipv6! 18:19:57 <TrueBrain> just 49 unique IPv6 users :p 18:20:02 <EoD_> :-D 18:20:11 <orudge> heh 18:20:16 <orudge> better than nothing! 18:20:31 <EoD_> ok, i'm probably ~4 of those addresses. 18:20:39 <EoD_> maybe 5 18:21:08 <TrueBrain> 6379 unique IPv4s 18:21:17 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:18 <TrueBrain> @calc 49 / 6428 18:21:18 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.00762289981332 18:21:20 <TrueBrain> @calc 49 / 6428 * 100 18:21:20 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.762289981332 18:21:29 *** EoD_ is now known as EoD 18:25:24 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:05 <EoD> 0.76% is still good 18:30:33 <TrueBrain> I want if I can also harvest the bandwidth on IPv6 .. but the access log is not that useful to get that data from via bash .. 18:31:24 * orudge just monitors the bandwidth usage being forwarded to each IP via iptables 18:31:31 <orudge> not necessarily the nicest way of doing it 18:31:32 <orudge> but it works :p 18:31:44 <orudge> (in a VPS environment, at least) 18:31:44 <TrueBrain> also a method :p 18:33:45 <petern> oh, freenet6... seem to remember using that a long time ago 18:34:11 <TrueBrain> I guess we need to install some stat-monitoring to seperate IPv4 and IPv6 bandwidth :p 18:36:33 <TrueBrain> too bad awstat and webalizer don't understand IPv6 yet :p 18:37:08 <EoD> gentoo does list ipv6 via iptraf... 18:37:16 <TrueBrain> 'list' 18:37:24 <TrueBrain> I know iptraf support it like udp 18:37:52 <EoD> there is a column for ipv4 and a column for ipv67 18:37:58 <EoD> *ipv6 18:38:29 <orudge> TrueBrain: hmm, awstats seems to be OK with IPv6 IPs for me, webalizer not so much 18:38:41 <orudge> (webalizer truncates them to something like [2001, awstats seems to display them in full) 18:38:45 <TrueBrain> EoD: it doesn't here 18:38:58 <TrueBrain> orudge: well, I meant more: an overview of IPv4 usage against IPv6 usage 18:39:04 <EoD> In Debian it doesn't, in Gentoo it does. I'm sure about this 18:39:07 <TrueBrain> but yeah, webalizer is known 18:39:16 <TrueBrain> EoD: I am running Gentoo, and I only see IPv4 18:39:19 <orudge> TrueBrain: mmh 18:39:23 <EoD> wrong use-flags? 18:40:07 <TrueBrain> it shows IPv6 in some places 18:40:08 <TrueBrain> not all 18:40:29 <EoD> Installed versions: 3.0.0-r4(14:05:45 08/04/08)(ipv6 unicode -suid) 18:40:33 <EoD> in some places? 18:41:34 <TrueBrain> total overview: no 18:41:40 <TrueBrain> per interface: yes 18:42:07 <EoD> General interface stats has no ipv6 at your computer? 18:43:19 <TrueBrain> General Interface Statistics 18:43:23 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Ð£Ñ ÐŸÐ¶Ñ Ñ ÐŸÑ Ð²Ð°Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 ОлО ÑÑаÑÑе)] 18:43:34 <TrueBrain> Total, IPv4, IPv NonIP IP, Bad IP 18:43:56 <TrueBrain> lol, I need to make my window bigger, so it seems :p 18:44:14 <TrueBrain> totally fucked up, that window :p Ghehe :) 18:44:25 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:33 <EoD> :-D 18:45:06 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:13 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:47:33 <petern> so who's well up on ipv6 network allocation? 18:47:53 <EoD> what do you need? 18:48:19 <petern> address allocation, rather 18:48:21 <TrueBrain> money :p 18:49:08 <petern> when requesting ipv6 from RIPE the documents assume you're a huge provider with millions of customers all ready to go to ipv6 18:49:47 <petern> whereas "i" am a small isp with a few split up networks and some customers ready to go to ipv6 18:49:49 <EoD> why don't you use sixxs.net or tunnelbroker.net? 18:50:07 <petern> because i don't want a tunnel 18:50:12 <EoD> ^^ 18:50:37 <TrueBrain> petern: then just request a big thing from RIPE :p 18:50:43 <TrueBrain> not that we will run out of IPv6 any time soon :p 18:50:46 <petern> i might :p 18:50:47 <EoD> give it a try, yeah 18:51:24 <petern> but what's the normal allocation for end-user sites, isp networks, etc... 18:52:06 <petern> we've got 3 main network areas split up into subnets for customers, hosted servers, our own servers, etc etc 18:52:34 <orudge> I was just reading yesterday about this 18:52:37 <EoD> i got a /64 tunnel and a /48 subnet, if that's what you mean 18:52:40 <orudge> RIPE is apparently not keen on allocating to companies or small ISPs 18:52:42 <orudge> only large ISPs 18:52:46 <orudge> which has annoyed various people 18:53:02 <orudge> can't remember quite where I read this 18:53:15 <petern> i assume they should have the same rules for ipv6 as for ipv4 18:54:14 <Alberth> petern: why don't you have a look at the sites that EoD gave, they probably quote address space and prices 18:54:30 <petern> what do prices have to do with anything? heh 18:54:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:54:35 <petern> ipv6 doesn't cost anything 18:54:48 <TrueBrain> IPs are free (from RIPE point of view) 18:55:08 <EoD> and sixxs tunnels/subnets are also free 18:55:17 <Wolf01> hello 18:55:22 <TrueBrain> LeaseWeb akss money for IPv6 (25 euro a month) and for IPv4 (1 euro per IP) 18:55:26 <TrueBrain> sick amount of money :( 18:55:54 <petern> i don't want a tunnel :s 18:56:15 <EoD> Hi Wolf01 18:56:16 <Wolf01> let's do a bridge 18:56:18 <TrueBrain> petern: just try it at RIPE :) 18:56:22 <Nite_Owl> Hello Wolf01 18:56:28 <petern> my existing ip connectivity already offers ipv6 connectivity. i just need "my own" IPs 18:57:02 <petern> bah 18:57:09 <petern> can't remember my LIR portal login :/ 18:57:19 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 18:58:28 <EoD> Nerim and FDN are small french ISPs and they seem to provide native IPv6. You could find out how they give their users ipv6. 18:58:44 <petern> oh 18:58:49 <petern> i wrote it down :D 18:58:58 <EoD> ^^ 18:59:10 <petern> lol 18:59:12 <petern> after login: 18:59:21 <petern> In the coming month, the RIPE NCC will launch IPv6 Now!, a website showcasing IPv6 in use in the private and public sector. 18:59:34 <TrueBrain> lol :) 18:59:36 <TrueBrain> what are the odds ;) 19:00:32 <EoD> lol 19:11:43 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:11:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 19:19:55 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:30 <Muxy> Hello here 19:20:46 * petern waits for his old emails to download 19:20:49 <Nite_Owl> Hello Muxy 19:21:14 <Muxy> can someone explain me about ending_year patch missing in 0.7.0 release ? 19:21:34 <petern> it didn't do anything 19:22:05 <Nite_Owl> there is no ending year - you can just play on forever 19:22:37 <Muxy> but it was used to display the score board 19:23:26 <Nite_Owl> if you do not use any cheats the scoreboard will display in 2051 19:24:10 <Muxy> yes i know, then ending_year patch has been replace by the ORIGINAL_END_YEAR 19:24:43 <EoD> i'm off. Maybe bbl. Bye 19:24:43 <Rubidium> Muxy: it was a 'configurable' variable that could only be modified in the intro menu. Then whenever another game was started it was reset to 2051 and it wasn't changeable anymore 19:25:22 <Rubidium> so in effect it has always been an unchangeable constant 19:25:29 <Muxy> yes but now the score board rise always at the end of 2051 19:25:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.219] has joined #openttd 19:25:45 *** EoD [~EoD@derbian.gaf.fs.lmu.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.7/2009030810]] 19:26:05 <Rubidium> Muxy: what don't you understand in what I said? 19:26:11 <Rubidium> apparantly everything 19:26:26 <orudge> http://www.os2world.com/ 19:26:30 <orudge> whee, we're front page news ;) 19:26:51 <petern> and no doubt will be for a long time :p 19:26:53 <Muxy> but i dont want the score board appears at the end of 2051 19:27:00 <Muxy> *2050* 19:27:13 <orudge> eh, seems if OpenTTD had been released on the 31st, we'd have been buried down with a pile of other software releases 19:27:32 <Muxy> i would like to have it appears regarding the ending_year patch... 19:27:49 <Rubidium> but it DID NOT DO that 19:28:14 <Muxy> yes it did... i use it in my 0.6.3 servers 19:28:16 <petern> nobody wants to release on the first of april 19:28:35 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:44 <Bjarni> petern: but we do it often 19:28:50 <Bjarni> like once a year ^^ 19:31:56 <petern> well, rubidium does :p 19:32:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:30 <Muxy> ok found the bug 19:34:13 <Muxy> end_year patch was set to 2051 in LoadFromHighScore which is called after LoadFromConfig. 19:34:54 <Muxy> it would have more simple to remove that line from LoadFromHighScore, no ? 19:34:56 <TrueBrain> orudge: you still manage to produce OS/2 binaries? :p 19:35:04 <orudge> yep 19:35:10 <TrueBrain> nice :) 19:35:29 <TrueBrain> you posted it yourself 19:35:31 <TrueBrain> pff 19:35:43 <orudge> well, yes 19:35:45 <TrueBrain> is there any real community for OS/2? 19:35:48 <orudge> there is, yep 19:35:49 <petern> no 19:35:50 <TrueBrain> (besides the obvious: you) 19:35:51 <orudge> quite a lot of activity on usenet 19:35:52 <petern> it's all oudge 19:35:53 <Prof_Frink> RobC! 19:35:54 <petern> *orudge 19:36:01 <TrueBrain> like MorphOS activity? 19:36:03 <orudge> and also on os2world, os2.cz, and various other sites 19:36:04 <TrueBrain> or real activity? :p 19:36:14 <orudge> eh, well, OS/2 is still used in various niche places 19:36:18 <orudge> probably moreso than, say, FreeDOS 19:36:22 <jonty-comp> if you say so 19:36:35 <TrueBrain> I wish openttd.org was running on an ESXi machine ... 19:36:39 <TrueBrain> OS 19:36:45 <petern> get a new one 19:36:48 <Alberth> orudge: such an announcement doesn't look very comforting to me 19:36:50 <TrueBrain> petern: you pay? :p 19:36:56 <orudge> Alberth: mmh? 19:37:07 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm83.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: my ship sails in the morning] 19:37:09 <TrueBrain> but with ESXi we at least could install an OS/2 and add it to the compile-farm :p 19:37:10 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 19:37:49 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest1403 19:37:50 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.114.30] has joined #openttd 19:38:16 <Alberth> orudge: the date jumps out like THIS IS A HOAX to me :P 19:38:37 <orudge> Alberth: blame openttd 19:38:40 <orudge> they released it on the 1st :p 19:38:50 <orudge> same with 0.6.0 last year 19:38:59 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:39:15 <Alberth> I didn't know, but I like the tradition :) 19:41:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.114.30] has quit [] 19:41:19 *** Guest1403 [~KenjiE20@92.0.17.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:54 <Muxy> back to my ending_year patch... 19:41:59 *** Fenris [~wolfi@p5B0D30CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:46 <Muxy> i have a network game running and the value of ending_year patch is not 2051 but reflect the value set in the cfg file 19:44:42 <Bjarni> <Alberth> I didn't know, but I like the tradition :) <-- me too... people always go "where is the joke in this release?" 19:44:56 <Bjarni> and you will never know if there is a joke in it :P 19:46:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.114.170] has joined #openttd 19:52:50 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:05 <petern> idiots 19:53:14 <petern> gateway6 source code download is 1.4MB 19:53:24 <petern> there's 1.4MB of PDF in there... 19:53:32 <TrueBrain> petern: why make things simple?! 19:53:44 <petern> hmm? 19:53:58 <TrueBrain> that is what they are thinking :p 19:54:33 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:55:02 <jonty-comp> petern: the gateway6 program is what broke my VPS! 19:55:14 <jonty-comp> or well, the tspc package in apt, which is apparently the same thing 19:55:38 <petern> yeah 19:55:41 <petern> well i'm not in a vp 19:55:42 <petern> s 19:56:17 <petern> in the past i've just use iproute2 tools to set a tunnel... odd stuff thus :/ 19:56:26 <frosch123> gimp seems to have trouble with 149749 x 1313 pngs... 19:56:52 <petern> yers 20:00:46 <petern> hm 20:01:20 <petern> tunnel not working :/ 20:04:46 <petern> i bet it's my router :p 20:06:30 <petern> heh, eweka.nl 20:06:43 <petern> i suppose my router does not know what to do with v6v4 packets :/ 20:08:13 <TrueBrain> petern: the idea is that the IPv6 is in a IPv4 .. and it should just allow that :) 20:08:20 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:31 <petern> yes but it's not working :p 20:09:31 <petern> (yes i put my machine as the dmz host) 20:09:56 <TrueBrain> petern: put gw6c in log 3 mode 20:10:03 <TrueBrain> it can fail on VERY stupid things :p 20:10:08 <TrueBrain> (or did you receive an IPv6?) 20:10:18 <petern> the tunnel is setup 20:10:27 <petern> hm 20:10:30 <petern> no it's not 20:10:35 <petern> 4: sit0: <NOARP> mtu 1480 qdisc noop state DOWN 20:10:42 <petern> oh 20:10:43 <petern> it's sit1 :p 20:10:46 <petern> 15: sit1@NONE: <POINTOPOINT,NOARP,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1280 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 20:10:57 <petern> link/sit 0.0.0.0 peer 81.171.72.11 20:10:57 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:10:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:10:58 <petern> hmm 20:11:36 <petern> ok 20:11:50 <petern> i fixed my (dynamic, lol) ip address in the config 20:11:52 <petern> works 20:12:12 <petern> i love that it goes through leaseweb in the traceroute :p 20:12:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-219-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:21 <petern> well 20:13:24 <petern> isn't that exciting 20:14:45 <jonty-comp> yes 20:15:39 <Belugas> Rubidium : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42654 <--- you've got a friend ;) 20:19:18 <Ammler> did something change on the advertising part? 20:19:28 <Ammler> our servers aren't on the list anymore 20:21:08 <petern> since when? 20:21:23 <petern> since r1, yes, lots changed. 20:22:21 <Prof_Frink> Which r1? 20:22:46 <petern> exactly!" 20:23:05 <De_Ghosty> lol 20:23:08 <planetmaker> petern: probably since somewhen yesterday 20:23:37 <planetmaker> it's not like we check the server list every minute :) 20:24:26 <planetmaker> yesterday, I recall them seeing in servers.openttd.org as I checked for a reason I forgot 20:24:33 <planetmaker> maybe it was the day before 20:32:14 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@0804ds7-fb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:35:55 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@0804ds7-fb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:25 <De_Ghosty> protocol error :o 20:36:25 <De_Ghosty> nvm 20:41:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r15943 /trunk/src/ (graph_gui.cpp lang/english.txt): -Fix: Tooltip of detailed ratings window button showed wrong tip 20:42:36 <petern> hmm, right 20:42:41 <petern> /56 is for end-sites 20:42:57 <petern> i.e. a single adsl account 20:43:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:44:06 <TrueBrain> isn't a /64 enough? :) 20:44:21 <TrueBrain> gives you unique addresses for each mac :p 20:45:28 *** Fenris [~wolfi@p5B0D30CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:45:53 <petern> i think it's because they might want separate networks, or something 20:46:09 <TrueBrain> so 256 seperate networks :p 20:46:20 <TrueBrain> haha :) I know there are enough IPv6 to give every piece of sand its own IP 20:46:21 <petern> of course, really a /120 is more than enough for most people 20:46:24 <TrueBrain> but ... :) 20:46:25 <petern> just not for autoconfig 20:46:37 <TrueBrain> petern: indeed :) And IPv6 is built to autoconfigure it self :) 20:46:55 <TrueBrain> but okay .. you can get a /48 without much trouble anyway :p 20:47:02 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I thought each grain of sand could have multiple IPs 20:47:25 <SpComb> organizations are allocated /32 prefixes 20:47:36 <SpComb> so the "every piece of sand its own IP" is a bit not-actually-true 20:48:01 <TrueBrain> because organizations get /32, that statement is not true? 20:48:05 <SpComb> half of the bits go into autoconf, the others are split at eight-bit boundaries across various levels 20:48:12 <SpComb> becuase /lots/ of organizations get /32s 20:48:25 <TrueBrain> and what does that have to do with grains of sand?! :p 20:48:27 <SpComb> if you want to e.g. multihome properly, you need a /32 20:48:51 <TrueBrain> you can still give every grain of sand in the world an IPv6, and not run out of them 20:48:52 <SpComb> an organization with a /32 probably won't have all that many grains of sand 20:48:55 <TrueBrain> I don't care in which prefix you put them :p 20:49:21 <petern> also the 'every piece of sand' thing is bollocks :) 20:49:33 <TrueBrain> yeah ... then there are still IPv6 left over :p 20:49:57 <petern> some people have stated that ipv6 allows you more addresses than there are atoms in the universe too 20:50:01 <petern> which is, of course, total bollocks 20:50:12 <TrueBrain> it is just a figure of speech, but that we all understand :) 20:50:18 <TrueBrain> well .. except a few nitwits of course :) 20:50:21 <SpComb> an organization with a /32 prefix probably won't have 2^96 grains of sand to address 20:50:33 <TrueBrain> like SpComb 20:50:35 <petern> SpComb, so you know all about ipv6 20:50:35 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 20:50:45 <petern> i should request a /32 right? 20:50:46 <SpComb> hardly 20:51:14 <SpComb> but I gather the ideal situation for IPv6 would be that the global routing table only contains /32's 20:51:26 <petern> damn 20:51:29 <petern> why does nobody know :( 20:51:30 <Prof_Frink> If each grain of sand weighs 1µg that's a lot of sand. 20:51:39 <petern> okay, so i can pay ripe £lots to go on courses... 20:51:51 <TrueBrain> petern: they have to make money of you in some way :p 20:52:01 <TrueBrain> petern: just request a /32, who cares .. if you run out, you request a new block 20:52:04 <petern> yeah, there's a montly fee for a start 20:52:15 <petern> or is it quarterly 20:52:53 <petern> Your IP Address is: 2001:5c0:1400:b::bf1 20:52:53 <petern> hehe 20:52:57 <petern> ripe's website :D 20:56:40 *** artart78 [~artart78@162.187.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:57 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8c5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:06:26 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F793.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:45 <TrueBrain> a SixXS tunnel gives 1 IP or /64 IPs? It is a bit unclear to me :( 21:21:48 <petern> IPv6 Allocation Usage Plan Help 21:21:48 <petern> When will you use this address space? * 21:21:51 <petern> grumble :o 21:23:18 <Belugas> just follow up WISE FooBar... Don't care about IP6 :P 21:24:03 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you might have missed it, but the last 3 days, OpenTTD and tt-forums are all into IPv6 :p So really important stuff here!!! :p 21:24:14 <petern> nah 21:24:27 <petern> i was fiddling with it many years ago 21:24:33 <petern> back when you had to patch the linux kernel... 21:24:55 <Rubidium> that sounds like pre 2.0 ;) 21:25:27 <petern> nope 21:25:33 <Rubidium> sorry, pre 2.1.8 ;) 21:25:43 <Belugas> i know, TrueBrain :) i've been following 21:26:02 <Belugas> i was refering to the very important statement of the Foobar individual on forums 21:26:33 <Belugas> "And what's the advantage of IPv6 for your average Joe? Last time I checked, we weren't out of IPv4 addresses yet and because everything is backward compatible with IPv4 I don't really see the point." 21:26:39 <Belugas> jerk :P 21:28:11 <TrueBrain> Belugas: that is a good summary ... as clearly he missed something .. essential .. I think we call it a brain :p 21:28:12 <petern> 790 days left, apparently 21:28:17 <glx> I can have /64 easily :) 21:28:23 <glx> I just have to enable it 21:28:31 <SmatZ> glx: on your local network? :) 21:28:33 <TrueBrain> I just wish SixXS wasn't so bitchy and gave me my damn /64 already 21:28:35 <glx> yes 21:28:37 <SmatZ> hehe 21:29:03 <SmatZ> /64 is still a bit too much for IPv4 ;) 21:29:15 <glx> 2a01:5d8:<IPv4>::/64 21:31:41 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I took the effort to make this all so nice reply :) 21:32:17 <TrueBrain> I can't get native IPv6, because my university things it is not needed yet .. although the ISP we have supports it :( 21:33:07 <Belugas> hehe 21:33:41 <Belugas> i would have used beer and drunk instead of food and hunger, but yes :) it's quite the good analogy! 21:33:56 <TrueBrain> beer and drunk would have been better ... why didn't I think of that :p 21:34:05 <TrueBrain> glx: btw, why don't you enable IPv6? There is no loss .. only gain :p 21:34:23 <petern> yeah you get to see google's animated logo 21:34:53 <TrueBrain> yeah! But only for non-international part ... 21:34:59 <TrueBrain> ipv6.google.com/intl/nl 21:35:03 <TrueBrain> doesn't have animated logo :( 21:42:12 <Belugas> TrueBrain : 'cause it's not an imperative for you :) as a student, you are more likely to crave for food, wich you do oftenly! 21:42:35 <Belugas> me, i've got a belly, that requires beer! 21:42:49 <Belugas> plsu, it's fridAY EVENING 21:43:09 <Rubidium> and he's still at the office 21:43:18 <TrueBrain> lol @ Belugas 21:43:54 <Belugas> a cookie for Rubidium :) 21:43:56 <petern> i hope ripe really don't want me to list every single /48 :/ 21:44:40 <TrueBrain> petern: :s 21:45:09 <jonty-comp> are you still talking about that? D: 21:45:43 <Rubidium> yeah, all day long ;) 21:46:02 <jonty-comp> oh well, I suppose it's worthwhile discussion :D 21:46:10 <jonty-comp> now let us go boycott quakenet to enable ipv6 21:46:19 <jonty-comp> or better boycott everyone to abandon quakenet 21:46:53 <petern> some twat is revving their car 21:46:59 <petern> i hope they blow the engine up :/ 21:47:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15944 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Codechange: disable IPv4 over IPv6 sockets as there is no default value and not all OSes actually support IPv4 over IPv6 so making it the same on all OSes eases debugging and such 21:47:43 <petern> ipv4 over ipv6 is silly :o 21:47:48 <TrueBrain> yup 21:47:55 <jonty-comp> not much need for it 21:47:55 <TrueBrain> no idea why it is active by default for most OSes ... 21:48:05 <TrueBrain> it makes porting applications REALLY easy 21:48:26 <TrueBrain> s/AF_INET/AF_INET6/g;s/sockaddr_in/sockaddr_in6/g; 21:48:44 <jonty-comp> heh 21:49:00 * jonty-comp upgrades everyone to IPv7 21:49:05 <TrueBrain> ieuw 21:50:06 * Rubidium ponders the point of giving people /64 (or even /48) subnets 21:50:27 <TrueBrain> we talked abuot that a moment ago :p 21:50:36 <TrueBrain> you can use /64 .. radvd! Autoconfigure! :) 21:50:46 <Rubidium> how insane amount of disk space you must have to address all bits on your disks and exhaust that ;) 21:51:07 <TrueBrain> haha :) You can query 1 bit on every IPv6 :p 21:53:01 <Rubidium> hmm, it's 'only' 2 EB 21:53:15 * jonty-comp considers buying "TCP/IP for Dummies" 21:53:25 <TrueBrain> waste of money ... 21:53:39 <jonty-comp> :p 21:53:54 <Rubidium> it's probably not heavy enough to slap some sense into people 21:54:01 <jonty-comp> I need somewhere to learn about all this /54 and radvd and random technical words though D: 21:54:24 <TrueBrain> radvd: fancy dhcp for ipv6, configures based on mac 21:54:26 <TrueBrain> so, now you know :) 21:54:53 <Rubidium> radvd: nice when you're got multiple Medion systems of a certain range 21:55:03 <jonty-comp> does that mean that as long as the mac address stays the same your ip is the same? 21:55:03 <TrueBrain> Fuck Medion :) 21:55:09 <jonty-comp> urgh medion 21:55:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:55:18 <TrueBrain> morniing valhalla1w 21:55:22 <TrueBrain> morniing valhallasw 21:55:23 <Rubidium> 'cause it's cheaper to give all computers the same mac address than give them different ones 21:55:24 <TrueBrain> who ever :p 21:55:36 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I really don't get that ... is there a shortage of mac addresses? :P 21:55:42 <jonty-comp> hah 21:55:44 <Rubidium> probably ;) 21:55:55 * jonty-comp wanders off muttering about dummies and subnets 21:56:38 <petern> bah 21:56:41 <petern> sent the request 21:56:47 <TrueBrain> concratz 21:56:47 <petern> no doubt it'll be bounced back 21:56:50 <petern> but 21:57:01 <petern> i'm hoping they bounced back the first request last year because it was too small 21:57:02 <TrueBrain> I hope the other end has nicer people than SixXS :p 21:57:09 <petern> ripe are lovely 21:57:18 <petern> they just want everything documented properly :p 21:57:26 <petern> also we pay them for it :p 21:57:52 <TrueBrain> ;) 21:58:03 <petern> requested a /32 this time, to cover everything 21:58:30 <petern> and then 21:58:39 <petern> well, who knows :p 21:58:47 <Belugas> fuck 21:58:50 <Belugas> i'm dead 21:58:53 <Belugas> can't 21:58:54 <Belugas> code 21:58:56 <TrueBrain> Belugas: hi mister dead 21:58:57 <Belugas> have 21:58:58 <Belugas> to 21:58:59 <TrueBrain> how is the other end? 21:59:02 <Belugas> ... 21:59:06 <Belugas> LEAVE! 21:59:24 <Belugas> TrueBrain, it's LUMINOUS! 21:59:27 <Belugas> and it has BEER 21:59:30 <Belugas> and GIRLS 21:59:36 <Belugas> hem.. shit.. a wife 21:59:45 <TrueBrain> she dead too? 21:59:46 <Belugas> it HAS ANGELS 21:59:47 <Belugas> mmh... 21:59:48 <TrueBrain> bad timing :) 22:00:04 <Belugas> hehe 22:00:07 <Belugas> see you guys 22:00:11 <Belugas> have nice we 22:00:21 <Wolf01> what did you give him to drink? 22:00:23 * Prof_Frink has a nice wee 22:00:33 <TrueBrain> bye Belugas, enjoy your weekend :) 22:00:58 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 22:01:09 <Wolf01> bye Belugas, have a good weekend ;) 22:01:13 <petern> poor belugas :) 22:02:07 <Wolf01> I think I'll go on the bed 22:02:11 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:15 <petern> whose? 22:02:24 <petern> hmm 22:02:39 <Wolf01> 'night people 22:02:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-232-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:05:15 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8657.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:04 *** dany_21a_ [~dan@84-119-27-126.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 22:12:08 <dany_21a_> hello - quick question: why does a railw. station accept passenger near a farm? 22:12:33 <dany_21a_> does it affect the productivity of the farm if i ship ppl to them? 22:12:34 <petern> farm workers 22:12:38 <petern> 3no 22:12:54 <dany_21a_> okay... thx :) 22:12:54 <gleeb> Shouldn't. Must be something else near by. 22:13:05 <dany_21a_> no, definitly not 22:14:29 <dany_21a_> gleeb: and also brings money if i bring ppl there (was so in v0.6.x and is also in 0.7 that way) 22:15:32 <Forked> newgrf? 22:20:27 <dany_21a_> screenshot: http://imgur.com/1GVR1.png 22:21:51 <dany_21a_> smth. seems weird, if i try to build a new station i see on some places "accept: nothing" (even if farms are in range) - and on other locations (even only farms in range) it says "accept: persons" 22:25:12 <TinoDidriksen> The houses on the farms count towards passengers. I believe the original number is 1/8th passenger per house. So a single farm would not accept passengers, but that many would. 22:29:31 <dany_21a_> TinoDidriksen: Ah - that would make sens... so it happens only if there are more farms are on a small area (as in my case) 22:31:10 <dany_21a_> not really intuitve, but on the other hand it doesnt matter that much... maybe add it in the wiki page for the farm 22:31:48 <dany_21a_> (someone who knows exactly how it works... so: not me :) ) 22:32:28 <TinoDidriksen> In the original TTDX I used to wonder how it happened as well, but iirc the Inspect tool revealed the 1/8th passenger on the house squares, and only on those. The farm itself does not count, but catching the house-inside-the-farm does. 22:33:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc3ef.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:16 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8c5.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era] 22:34:55 *** nooby [~nooby@97.Red-88-9-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:07 <nooby> hi 22:35:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello nooby 22:35:53 <nooby> hows it going 22:36:05 <nooby> i have a question im wonderng if anyone can help with 22:36:24 <Yexo> only if you ask it 22:36:26 <nooby> can a person with a dynamic IP host a openttd server? 22:36:32 <Yexo> yes, that's no problem 22:37:23 <Yexo> are you spool @ tt-forums.net? 22:37:26 <nooby> just i cant seem to make my self show up on the list. i think i got it working once, but cant seem to do it now. ports open and forwarded, set to 'internet (advertise)' . any ideas? 22:37:29 <nooby> yea 22:38:07 <Yexo> are you ports forwarded to the right computer? That happened to me sometimes 22:38:34 <nooby> i dont understand that. 22:38:46 <nooby> im trying to make it open on internet, not lan 22:39:03 <Yexo> yes, but to do that you have to forward some ports from your router to your computer 22:39:16 <Yexo> did you forward those ports to the correct ip address? 22:39:26 <nooby> yea 3979 to my internal ip 22:39:34 <Yexo> @ports 22:39:34 <DorpsGek> Yexo: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 22:39:54 <Yexo> did you forward both tcp and udp? 22:40:04 <nooby> yea, and made a fire wall exception 22:41:01 <nooby> i tryed to host a FTP server once, and failed cause of my dynmic IP, so was wondering if it was the ip 22:41:20 <Yexo> having an ftp server with a dynamic ip is perfectly possible 22:41:32 <Yexo> you just have to tell the users the correct ip at all times 22:42:07 <nooby> well, i managed to have people log in to my ftp. just not move or change anything. 22:42:20 <TrueBrain> and you blame that on your IP? Cool :) 22:42:32 <Yexo> then you miscofigured your ftp server 22:42:34 <nooby> re: my nick :P 22:42:51 <TrueBrain> UtopiaSandbox 22:42:53 <TrueBrain> running 0.7.0 22:42:57 <nooby> yea 22:43:06 <TrueBrain> last online 2009-04-03 02:43:27 (UTC) 22:43:09 <nooby> so must be working then, hmmm 22:43:14 <TrueBrain> was online for about an hour 22:43:25 <nooby> i have not done anything different since then 22:43:39 <Yexo> nooby: do you have dhcp in your local network? 22:43:44 <nooby> same procedure. but my friends could not find me on the list, even send me a screenshot 22:44:03 <TrueBrain> nooby: sorry, but something did change :) 22:44:06 <nooby> i dont know what a dhcp is. but im not connected to any other machines if thats what your asking 22:44:11 <glx> check your local IP and compare it to the forwarded IP on the router 22:44:25 <nooby> 1 mo... ill do that 22:44:51 <Yexo> dhcp is a service (for home networks, mostly run on the router) that'll give your computers an ip address automatically when they join the network (ie at computer startup) 22:45:33 <Yexo> the ip address given may vary, so if yesterday you got 10.0.0.100 (just an example), and you set up port forwarding for that, tody you might have got 10.0.0.101, so your port forwarding is no longer valid 22:45:42 <nooby> well, just done ip config, same IP as yesterday. it only changes if i reset... as for computer startup, my pc is on 24/7 22:45:53 <glx> that's why I use MAC to determine IP : 22:46:31 <nooby> im using cmd and ipconfig to see my ip 22:46:42 <TrueBrain> http://www.canyouseeme.org/ 22:46:43 <nooby> still 192.168.1.33 as yesterday 22:46:46 <TrueBrain> type 3979 in the box 22:46:56 <TrueBrain> and see if it works; if not, you local configuration is wrong :) 22:47:04 <nooby> just a sec 22:47:43 <nooby> nop... gives me an error. so something has changed then 22:48:58 <nooby> if i only had more brain cells!!! time to play about in router settings 22:50:12 *** dany_21a_ [~dan@84-119-27-126.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has left #openttd [] 22:50:26 <glx> did you restart the router after config? 22:50:34 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:50:37 <nooby> no, nor the pc 22:50:42 <TrueBrain> ghosts 22:50:46 <nooby> i never do unles there is a power cut 22:51:35 <glx> some router need a reboot after config change 22:52:10 <nooby> ok... ill go try that, brb 22:53:24 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:27 * Sacro restarts glx 22:53:40 *** nooby [~nooby@97.Red-88-9-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:00 *** nooby [~nooby@213.Red-88-17-203.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:19 <nooby> ok, lets see. router restarted, ill check my ip and router settings 22:54:47 <nooby> ipconfig in cmd still says 192.168.1.33 , now lets see the router 22:56:01 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a188.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:09 <glx> your public IP changed btw ;) 22:57:33 <nooby> aye 22:59:30 <nooby> hmm, still not in the list 22:59:58 <nooby> yesterday it worked as soon as i opened the ports. i wonder, hmmm 23:00:38 <nooby> at least confirming that it did indeed work yesterday has helped. it does not feel so futile anymore 23:02:45 <nooby> the only different thing i can think of, is that today i am sending some files via xdcc on irc. 23:07:04 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-191-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 23:07:17 <nooby> ok, what i have done... 1- turn off firewall 2- open port 3979 internally and externally 3-run openttd 4- start server (internet advertise) start game ... is there anything obvious i missed out? 23:08:56 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 23:08:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:09:07 <nooby> later 23:09:16 *** nooby is now known as spool 23:12:45 <petern> bah! 23:12:51 <petern> RIPE have not replied yet! 23:12:54 <petern> ;) 23:14:06 <gleeb> I miss the old AI :'( 23:14:20 <petern> aww 23:15:06 <spool> do i need to build company HQ b4 i show on the list or let a year pass or anything like that? 23:15:31 <petern> no 23:15:46 <spool> k, ill keep trying 23:25:53 <spool> Success: I can see your service on 88.17.203.213 on port (3979) 23:26:10 <spool> so... in theory :P , lets see... 23:29:20 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@0804ds7-fb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:41 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@0804ds7-fb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 23:38:16 *** spool [~nooby@213.Red-88-17-203.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:16 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227085092.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:44:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15945 /trunk/src/network/core/os_abstraction.h: -Fix (r15944): win32 compilation 23:45:20 *** spooldonkey [~spool@213.Red-88-17-203.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:45:36 *** spooldonkey is now known as spoold 23:57:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5CBE5.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:59:35 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend]