Log for #openttd on 5th April 2009:
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00:00:04  <mizipzor> well, its totally the same here... thats kinda what i meant... to read code and work effectively, i must be able to instantly switch the coding style in my programmer eye :p
00:02:05  <frosch123> well, night from me :)
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00:24:50  <mizipzor> night night to anyone still awake :)
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00:43:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15955 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: use NetworkAddress instead of an IPv4 only "implementation" of NetworkAddress.
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05:36:49  <DephNet[Paul]> Is CargoDest in trunk yet? I saw somewhere that it was, I can't remember where, but just wanted to check in here to be sure?
05:40:23  <planetmaker> you looked wrong
05:40:48  <planetmaker> and it's unlikely to happen soon
05:42:20  <DephNet[Paul]> planetmaker, fair enough, just wanted to check as i didnt think it would be as it would be on both the site and on the forum
05:42:58  <planetmaker> :)
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06:01:06  <gleeb> planetmaker: Really? CargoDest seems pretty 'done'
06:01:37  <planetmaker> it may seem, but it isn't and the dev who started it is busy with RL
06:02:10  <gleeb> That's a shame. I like CargoDest, it's my preferred mode of play.
06:02:42  <planetmaker> and it has compile dependencies which are not necessarily liked by all people
06:03:27  <gleeb> Oh, I see :P
06:03:52  <gleeb> Depending on something that's not quite OS or has a lisence people don't like?
06:03:59  <gleeb> or just an annoying lib? :P
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06:04:26  <planetmaker> HUGE lib: boost
06:04:49  <gleeb> Ah, I see.
06:05:08  <gleeb> Yeah, I saw that dependancy, I thought it a bit odd.
06:05:27  <DephNet[Paul]> what exactly *is* boost?
06:05:36  <gleeb> Only uses onetiny set of features of the whole thing, too :|
06:06:06  <planetmaker> DephNet[Paul]: a library...
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06:12:12  <gleeb> Ugh, their website is useless.
06:13:20  <Gekz> so why is Boost used
06:13:24  <Gekz> and not something else?
06:14:15  <gleeb> Maybe it's what the original coder felt comfortable with.
06:14:21  <planetmaker> ^^
06:15:04  <Gekz> that's sick and/or sad
06:15:57  <gleeb> Looks like it's used for pathfinding.
06:16:10  <gleeb> (Within the cargo graph)
06:16:29  <gleeb> Why on earth? I mean, really.
06:19:45  <Gekz> rewrite it
06:22:50  <gleeb> Pathfinding is not my thing, I'm afraid.
06:23:18  <Gekz> I'm configuring a server
06:23:24  <Gekz> and burning discs
06:23:25  <Gekz> lol
06:23:37  <gleeb> Erm, Gratz?
06:23:53  <Gekz> Indeed!
06:24:03  <Gekz> and I just realised that you can use vim in a terminal with the mouse
06:24:19  <Gekz> I didnt know it responded to mouse until I accidentally clicked something
06:24:21  <Gekz> lols.
06:25:19  <gleeb> Yup... although, I tend not to :P
06:25:36  <Gekz> neither do I
06:25:40  <Gekz> that's why I never knew
06:25:40  <Gekz> haha
06:41:53  <taisteluorava> what is exact time 1 ingame year on minutes, about 13 min 30 sec?
06:46:11  <De_Ghosty> 4 years make an hr
06:46:13  <De_Ghosty> so i heard
06:46:46  <planetmaker> taisteluorava: the 13:30 sounds about right. I think a few seconds longer, though
06:47:12  <planetmaker> @calc 30*74*30/60
06:47:12  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1110
06:47:16  <planetmaker> uhm
06:47:49  <planetmaker> @calc 30/1000*74*30*2.2
06:47:49  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 146.52
06:47:55  <planetmaker> nvm
06:48:09  <petern> boost is a template library, not a regular library
06:48:16  <planetmaker> @calc 2.2*1000/30
06:48:16  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 73.3333333333
06:48:34  <petern> so the fact it is 'huge' is irrelevant, as cargodest only uses a tiny bit of it
06:48:43  <planetmaker> @calc 0.030*74*30
06:48:43  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 66.6
06:49:04  <planetmaker> @calc 0.030*74*365
06:49:04  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 810.3
06:49:08  <planetmaker> @calc 0.030*74*365/60
06:49:08  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 13.505
06:49:28  <planetmaker> petern: I know. But can you install parts of it?
06:49:46  <George> DaleStan: Are you here?
06:49:52  <petern> you can install parts of it, but that's useless for cargodest
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08:01:48  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15956 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_station.cpp newgrf_station.h): -Codechange: Enumorize station spec flags.
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08:06:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15957 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Fix (r4767): Set callback_param1 (var 10) to 1 only when requested.
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09:35:54  * TrueBrain waves a good morning
09:36:11  <planetmaker> good morning TrueBrain :)
09:36:16  <TrueBrain> how are you doing today? :)
09:36:37  <planetmaker> fine :) looking forward to cake eating this afternoon :D
09:36:39  <planetmaker> How about you?
09:36:51  <TrueBrain> why cake eating?
09:37:07  <planetmaker> oh, it's a birthday cake. Of my goddaughter
09:37:22  <TrueBrain> concratz :)
09:37:28  <planetmaker> thx
09:37:53  <planetmaker> it's her 2nd birthday - but concerning eating, she eats as much as me :D
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09:44:00  <fonsinchen> Cargodist updated:
09:44:21  <fonsinchen> I believe the loading/unloading code to be compatible with traditional loading/unloading now
09:44:36  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: like they all do ;)
09:44:49  <TrueBrain> cargodist, cargodest ... annoying names :p
09:45:07  <planetmaker> yeah... they all do :)
09:45:43  <fonsinchen> well, it's recognizable that it does the same. Yet cargo distribution takes into account _how_ the cargo gets to its destination
09:45:55  <fonsinchen> so I think the name fits.
09:47:44  <planetmaker> fonsinchen: that's something different than cargo destinations?
09:48:57  <fonsinchen> yes, because it does load balancing
09:49:25  <fonsinchen> and also it explicitly calculates a demand function
09:49:33  <fonsinchen> which is also part of "distribution"
09:49:42  <fonsinchen> but not of "destination"
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09:54:17  <TrueBrain> did anyone understand what he was talking about? :p
09:55:28  <fonsinchen> ok ... cargo distribution is the process of selecting cargo to be distributed, determining where it should go and which way it should take.
09:56:04  <fonsinchen> A cargo destination is only the place some cargo goes
09:56:37  <fonsinchen> And incidentally the old cargo destination patches don't do much more than calculating cargo destinations.
09:57:00  <fonsinchen> Which is not enough, as people in the forums have found out.
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09:57:44  <fonsinchen> Was that clear now?
09:58:00  <TrueBrain> well ... what is clear, is what cargodest does
09:58:03  <TrueBrain> not what cargodist adds :p
09:58:05  <TrueBrain> to me anyway
09:58:08  <TrueBrain> but I am known to be stupid :)
09:58:35  <fonsinchen> Let's take Celestar's cargodest and compare it to cargodist:
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09:59:15  <frosch123> looks like e vs. i
09:59:28  <fonsinchen> cargodest sends cargo to various places rather erratically
09:59:30  * TrueBrain gives frosch123 a cake for guessing right :)
09:59:52  <fonsinchen> You don't have an explicit demand function which would be easily exchanged and modified
10:00:15  <fonsinchen> it also doesn't support load balancing
10:00:22  <J^H> anyone uses autopilot ?
10:00:30  <fonsinchen> which is part of "how does the cargo get to its destination"
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10:01:07  <fonsinchen> cargodist has a demand function which achieves various goals that have been identified as important:
10:01:46  <fonsinchen> symmetricity for passengers, dependence on distance between stations, dependence on size of towns where the stations are in.
10:02:06  <fonsinchen> and it also has an asymmetric demand function for other cargo
10:02:22  <TrueBrain> I am really totally lost ... I guess you need to have played it :p
10:02:37  <fonsinchen> no, that's a theoretical concept so far
10:02:55  <fonsinchen> Do you get, what a demand function is?
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10:04:29  <TrueBrain> eeeuuuuuuuhhhh ... demand? :p
10:04:32  <TrueBrain> ghehe :)
10:04:39  <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: it is just too early on a sunday to wrap my head around it
10:04:55  <fonsinchen> A demand function describes how many passengers want to go from station A to station B
10:05:12  <fonsinchen> simple as that, and equivalently for all other cargos and stations
10:05:48  <fonsinchen> You want the same number of passengers going from A to B as from B to A - this is called symmetric
10:06:03  <TrueBrain> I guess fonsinchen doesn't understand sarcasm, but okay :) (hihi)
10:06:54  <fonsinchen> You're late. It's April 5th
10:07:36  <TrueBrain> sarcasm can only be expressed at the first? :p
10:08:08  <TrueBrain> but okay .. does your patch do this: when you push a lot of coal to one power station, it starts refusing it? :p
10:08:13  <frosch123> "An error occured, which was not logged, and was not reported to anybody. It might be your fault, or it might be mine. " :)
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10:12:29  <fonsinchen> TrueBrain: are you still trying to kid me? I don't understand the question.
10:13:14  <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: I hate in OpenTTD, that you can move coal from 100 coal mines to a single power station
10:13:28  <SpComb> not with PBI!
10:13:31  <petern> you can't with ...
10:13:34  <petern> damn you
10:13:53  <SpComb> and I even had to figure out what the right acronym was
10:13:57  <fonsinchen> That problem shouldn't be solved with cargo distribution but rather with limiting acceptance of industries.
10:14:27  <fonsinchen> If I had limited acceptance I could write a better demand function that would take that into account.
10:14:37  <SpComb> frosch123: that sounds familiar...
10:15:16  <frosch123> do you need all the other output?
10:15:32  <frosch123> or does it also not work on your site?
10:15:41  <SpComb> well, like it says, it wasn't logged anywhere, so I don't know what caused it :P
10:15:55  <SpComb> oh right, the whole thing fails
10:16:22  <SpComb> looks like mercurial got upgraded
10:17:48  <frosch123> if you need it:
10:18:30  <SpComb> I quickfixed it, but I don't have the time to fix it properly now
10:18:51  <frosch123> yeah, works :)
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12:07:58  <frosch123> someone knows the 'experts hard
12:08:02  <frosch123> ' guys?
12:16:59  <petern> not me
12:17:58  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15958 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_industries.cpp): -Fix [FS#2787]: Abort production callback after 0x10000 iterations and show a messagebox blaming the newgrf. (mizipzor)
12:19:33  <petern> eww, ic125 hauling wood :s
12:20:41  <Rubidium> why shouldn't the wood deserve a fast and comfortable ride?
12:21:31  <TrueBrain> concratz mizipzor :p
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12:25:02  <petern> there's a g on congrats...
12:25:04  <petern> *in
12:25:07  <petern> sigh :p
12:25:35  <taknil> Hey guise'n'galls!
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12:26:03  <fonsinchen> should I regard a full load order as interfering with cargodist and revert to traditional routing?
12:26:30  <fonsinchen> or should I only load the cargo that wants to board that vehicle
12:27:11  <fonsinchen> (reverting to traditional routing is much easier ...)
12:27:32  <frosch123> there is nothing wrong with a transport to only start when the vehicle is filled. but the passengers could cancel their ride if they have to wait too long for their vacation
12:27:33  <frosch123> :p
12:30:19  <fonsinchen> the actual question is: If I have a vehicle with a full load order waiting at a station and n cargo packets that want to take some other vehicle. Should the full load order override that and load the packets onto the waiting vehicle?
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12:41:29  <taknil> i just movede to 0.7 and cannot find where to set the option to bulid primary industries?
12:41:48  <taknil> can someone help me?
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12:48:21  <frosch123> advanced settings->economy->industries
12:54:20  <taknil> oh, just found it, thx
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13:31:27  <rbmntjs> I have an issue that is not *as such* a bug, but isn't a "general information" thing either. Is this the right place for it?
13:32:07  <TrueBrain> let me read the cards
13:32:16  <TrueBrain> today, you might find a path, that leads you to an answer
13:32:18  <TrueBrain> I guess it is!
13:32:25  <TrueBrain> (how vague can one be :p)
13:32:36  <rbmntjs> You should write fortune cookies.
13:32:52  <TrueBrain> yeah, might make me some money ...
13:33:21  <rbmntjs> Anyhow.
13:35:20  <rbmntjs> Here's the thing. I have been keeping an OpenTTD version 0.5.2 alongside all the newer ones, because I noticed, back when I tried 0.6, that there were some serious performance transgressions. 0.7 dealt me the same hand, so I decided to ask
 This is OS X on a 2006 MacBook (so I don't have a proper video card); this might be the thing. Either way, I like what's happened since 0.5, but 0.5 is the only version that still runs smoothly.
13:35:29  <rbmntjs> Sorry, that's a bit long.
13:36:36  <Rubidium> what version of OSX?
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13:36:42  <rbmntjs> Also, transgressions -> regressions.
13:36:47  <rbmntjs> Uh, the latest 10.5.
13:36:53  <rbmntjs> 10.5.6.
13:37:12  <glx> use a 32bpp blitter
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13:41:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15959 /extra/masterserver_updater/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: prepare the masterserver (and indirectly also the updater) to handle multiple IPs per client.
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13:47:20  <rbmntjs> Oh wow, thanks, glx
13:47:24  <rbmntjs> That totally does the trick.
13:48:33  <glx> it's a known problem ;)
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14:28:14  <TrueBrain> why does OpenTTD has so many languages ... it takes for ever :(
14:29:27  <glx> hmm?
14:29:49  <TrueBrain> trying to manipulate the language files .. it takes long :(
14:32:29  <welshdragon> TrueBrain: because we have a lot of multilingual users?
14:33:30  <TrueBrain> no, that can't be it
14:33:32  <petern> or rather, not multilingual...
14:33:49  <TrueBrain> that sounds more like it yes :)
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14:34:11  <welshdragon> peope who can't understand English :p
14:34:36  <petern> obviously you are 'multilingual' then, if you think that's what it means...
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14:35:48  <petern> TrueBrain, would you believe it... no RIPE email yet!
14:35:58  <jonty-comp> well it is the weekend
14:36:08  <TrueBrain> petern: lazy bastards!
14:36:12  <petern> It is. This cannot be tolerated!
14:36:21  <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: well, we are working here too, aren't we?! :)
14:36:28  <jonty-comp> it should be the week!
14:36:31  <TrueBrain> last night I even had a converstation with LeaseWeb!
14:36:39  <jonty-comp> then petern can go to work and still be on IRC all day.
14:36:43  <TrueBrain> I expected more from RIPE :(
14:37:11  <TrueBrain> (btw, some personal of LeaseWeb are looking into if they can give us native IPv6 :) I love this community :))
14:37:18  <jonty-comp> ooh
14:37:48  <jonty-comp> Now I'm just waiting for BT to decide that the UK telecoms can support IPv6 :p
14:38:02  <Forked> note to self: bug the people at work for native ipv6 ..
14:38:10  <TrueBrain> I am just waiting for my university to forward the IPv6 support :(
14:38:16  <jonty-comp> I read somewhere that physically they can, but there's some old bug in the cisco routers at work that they can't be bothered to fix that means it doesn't work or something
14:38:17  <Forked> I fear ..most norwegian ISPs are far behind on that area :\
14:38:34  <Forked> including the one I work at.. then again I don't know for sure what they are up to at all times :p
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14:39:26  <petern> Some ADSL providers offer IPv6.
14:40:02  <jonty-comp>
14:40:19  <petern> d'oh
14:40:46  <petern> so aaisp does it via tunnels. how silly.
14:41:35  <petern> might as well just use my own tunnel, heh
14:41:48  <el_en> who needs IPv6, the IPv4 address space ought to be enough forever.
14:42:16  <jonty-comp> but NAT smells :(
14:42:26  <Forked> vanity IPs are not really possible with ipv4
14:42:38  <Forked> I want the word "beef" somewhere in my ip :\
14:42:57  <petern> heh
14:43:13  <TrueBrain> Forked: with a tunnel or native, you can simply get a /64, which allows you to do so :p
14:43:15  <TrueBrain> so go for it!
14:43:56  <Forked> TrueBrain: it's not the same.. I want native vanity!
14:44:06  <TrueBrain> 2000:BEEF: :p
14:44:11  <TrueBrain> that would be hard to get ... ;)
14:44:16  <Forked> dead:beef
14:44:47  <el_en> i imagine one phase before the fall of the internet will be reassigning IP blocks to those who actually need them.
14:44:48  <TrueBrain> http://0xdeadbeaf/
14:44:54  <TrueBrain> too bad '' doesn't end anywhere :(
14:45:51  <el_en> I've heard about companies that need about about 8 static IPs, but have been given a whole /16 subnet by their ISP in the good old days.
14:46:20  <TrueBrain> there was a time you got 4 IPs with an ADSL connection here
14:46:22  <TrueBrain> long gone, those times
14:46:57  <Forked> I could get several more IPs if I wanted on my dsl.. I just don't see a need right now :\
14:47:54  <TrueBrain> but oaky .. requesting /24 at RIPE still goes without much trouble ...
14:48:01  <el_en> TrueBrain: 4 dynamic or static IPs?  over here, one typically gets 5 dynamic ones with a consumer-class ADSL connection.
14:48:09  <TrueBrain> 4 static
14:48:19  <TrueBrain> I did found out my current ISP serves as many DHCP requests as I give him ... :p
14:49:26  <jonty-comp> mine probably does that, but I don't know how any of this stuff works so I just let the wireless modem router thing work it all out. :D
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15:05:39  <Darkvater> grrr
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15:06:04  <Darkvater> 'keep building tools active after usage' defaults to on :s
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15:07:08  <frosch123> SDTC_BOOL(gui.persistent_buildingtools,             S,  0, false,                        STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PERSISTENT_BUILDINGTOOLS,    NULL), <- what makes you think so?
15:07:34  <Darkvater> cause it's on even though I never turned it on ;p
15:07:43  <Darkvater> isn't false true?
15:09:47  <frosch123> if (a) b = true; else b = false;
15:10:49  <Darkvater> :O
15:11:03  <Darkvater> hihi, old game just goes crazy
15:11:05  <Darkvater> hmm, wait
15:11:07  <frosch123> or do you prefer: b = a ? true : false;
15:11:19  <Darkvater> b = a ? false : true
15:11:51  <Darkvater> does 'new order non-stop' default to true?
15:11:53  * Darkvater checks
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15:13:39  <Darkvater> hmm, no it doesn't
15:14:03  * Darkvater wonders...did this game never work then? all orders are "go non-stop via <destination>"
15:15:09  <TrueBrain> poor Darkvater
15:15:13  <TrueBrain> thinking he is losing his mind
15:15:51  <Sacro> frosch123: a =b ?
15:15:55  <Sacro> er
15:15:58  <Sacro> b = a
15:16:23  <frosch123> sometimes also b = !!a
15:16:24  <Darkvater> meh, oh well, wasn't my game
15:16:36  <Darkvater> b = c it should be
15:16:39  <Sacro> wtf
15:16:50  <Sacro> midge ure and stephen hawking on a tv advert
15:17:18  <frosch123> #define isequal(a, b) (a == b ? true : false)
15:17:37  <Darkvater> I'd do (a) == (b) though
15:17:51  <frosch123> hmm, true
15:18:02  <TrueBrain> @calc 256 - 224
15:18:02  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 32
15:18:05  <TrueBrain> @calc 256 * 256 * 256 * 32
15:18:05  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 536870912
15:18:19  <Darkvater> the amount of money on your bank-account
15:18:30  <TrueBrain> 227 clients and 177 servers .. wow :p
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15:21:28  <frosch123> TrueBrain: remote-crash the servers with 0 clients :p
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15:44:57  <TrueBrain> frosch123: there is an idea yes yes .. hmm .. where was that exploit ... :p :p :p
15:51:09  <SmatZ> for what version?
15:52:42  <TrueBrain> all :p
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15:52:57  <TrueBrain> going to get some food now firs T:p
15:53:05  <SmatZ> I am afraid there isn't any
15:53:19  <TrueBrain> you didn't get the memo? :p
15:53:42  <SmatZ> I will have a look ;)
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16:05:46  <petern> TrueBrain's on cable? :o
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16:22:02  <EoD> hi
16:22:42  <TrueBrain> EoD: check tha webpage man!
16:23:32  <EoD> :-O
16:24:40  <EoD> nice! An IPv6-only logo :)
16:25:03  <EoD> like:
16:25:16  <TrueBrain> just not animated :p
16:25:29  <petern> ANIMATE IT
16:25:37  <EoD> you want it to be animated? ;)
16:25:41  <SpComb> with bouncing bananas!
16:25:50  <TrueBrain> make it :p
16:27:06  <EoD> test
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17:17:32  <TrueBrain> I really should learn not to watch movies under dinner that makes me want to puke :(
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17:19:39  <EoD> ?
17:20:06  <TrueBrain> horror movies
17:20:15  <TrueBrain> don't know the right english word to describe the type :p
17:20:58  <EoD> i don't like horror movies
17:21:07  <EoD> why don't you watch other movies while eating? ^^
17:21:52  <TrueBrain> couldn't find anything better :p
17:21:56  <TrueBrain> now I regret watching something at all :p
17:24:05  <EoD> :-p
17:26:52  <mizipzor> TrueBrain: thanks :) ... for the congratz at 14:21 (im using screen and is not here all the time)
17:28:07  <EoD> mizipzor: congratz! I just read about it in the changelog
17:28:54  <mizipzor> EoD: :)
17:29:51  <mizipzor> although its arguably the smallest patch ever to get accepted by a user :p but still! hehe
17:30:30  <Rubidium> mizipzor: shall we argue about that? My argument is that there have been smaller patches by users that have been accepted
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17:35:44  * EoD : this is going to be interesting... ;)
17:37:05  <Rubidium> <- my opening argument
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17:45:49  <mizipzor> Rubidium: very well, i surrender :p
17:47:55  <TrueBrain> you know where to bring donations, right?
17:48:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15960 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:48:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-05 17:47:56
17:48:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 2 fixed by khaloofah (2)
17:48:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed, 4 changed by arnaullv (5)
17:48:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by Excel20 (1)
17:48:22  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1)
17:48:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 46 fixed, 1 changed by kristjans (47)
17:48:54  <mizipzor> bot went crazy
17:49:03  <TrueBrain> no, just doing its job
17:49:18  <mizipzor> the bots job is to go crazy
17:49:44  <TrueBrain> ghehe
17:51:47  <mizipzor> sorry, im in a bad mood and severly lack a sense of humor now
17:51:53  <mizipzor> trying to cheer myself up :p
17:52:05  <TrueBrain> is it working?
17:52:19  <TrueBrain> translator.models.MultipleObjectsReturned: get() returned more than one Case -- it returned 2! Lookup parameters were {'name': u'm'}
17:52:22  <TrueBrain> I hate such errors :(
17:52:54  <mizipzor> errors are bad
17:53:07  <TrueBrain> even more the ones you can't predict
17:53:45  <TrueBrain> how did twice the same letter slip in ...
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17:55:22  <TrueBrain> oopsie ...
17:58:27  <mizipzor> i should give my server some love... its just standing there making noise... its my old desktop so it isnt really geared for a healess setup
17:59:18  <mizipzor> headless*
18:00:08  <EoD> Do you want to give my server love, too? Today he refused to do DHCP, i think he feels neglected :(
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18:02:44  <mizipzor> it so typical!
18:02:45  <mizipzor> servers...
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18:32:19  <TrueBrain> how much connection-loss can you have in such a short period of time ...
18:33:29  <mizipzor> bad clients sometimes restart to reread the settings when theyre changed
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18:34:10  <TrueBrain> sounds as a terrible client :)
18:34:26  <TrueBrain> sounds like windows: restart because of config change :p
18:35:00  <planetmaker> he... not sure he uses windows :)
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18:42:14  <EoD> It says "Read error". What's this?
18:42:56  <TinoDidriksen> error.
18:43:26  <TinoDidriksen> An attempt to read from the socket resulted in an error, usually due to untimely disconnection.
18:43:45  <EoD> ok
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18:47:00  <Black-men> Hi all
18:47:13  <EoD> hi
18:47:29  <Black-men> 04470451 04340435043b043004350448?
18:48:25  <welshdragon> ?
18:48:33  <welshdragon> is that code?
18:48:43  <Black-men> RUSSIA
18:49:30  <welshdragon> can you please leave, or face a ban.
18:49:43  <frosch123> hmm, maybe the activation code for an intercontinental including target
18:50:00  <Black-men> 4e?
18:50:02  <Black-men> alewa
18:50:14  <Black-men> 04470451??
18:50:16  <Black-men> 0430043b0435043a044104350439
18:50:22  * welshdragon summons an op
18:50:27  * EoD has only UTF-8 support
18:50:28  <Black-men> :)
18:50:41  <Rubidium> Black-men: fix your client so it sents UTF8 instead of garbage
18:50:43  <EoD> Black-men: please don't write russia letters
18:50:50  <Black-men> ok
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18:51:42  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
18:51:45  <EoD> hi
18:51:54  <Nite_Owl> Hello EoD
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19:00:16  <EoD> are those ai_*.cpp only related to NoAI?
19:00:48  <frosch123> everything in ai/ is only related to noai
19:00:56  <EoD> ok
19:03:40  <TrueBrain> is 1 + 1 equal to 2?
19:04:08  <EoD> not for sure
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19:04:15  <EoD> it could be 0
19:04:32  <mizipzor> and 10 ;)
19:04:55  * EoD is talking about numbers to base 10
19:05:20  <mizipzor> bah, binary jokes are always welcome
19:05:41  <petern> blah blah blah 10 types of people blah blah blah
19:05:55  <mizipzor> see? :)
19:06:08  <EoD> ^^
19:07:38  <mizipzor> is there a linux command to tell me which partition on which physical drive that is mapped to folder X?
19:07:53  <TinoDidriksen> mount
19:08:10  <EoD> TrueBrain: It depends on the characteristic of the ring you are working with. If you have characteristic of 2, 1+1=0
19:09:10  <TrueBrain> I need a JSON RPC Javascript client ..
19:10:24  <orudge> Heh, we have 8 users posting to tt-forums from IPv6 addresses
19:10:26  <orudge> the rest are all IPv4
19:10:31  <EoD> ^^
19:10:43  <EoD> Here are about 5 people with ipv6? ;)
19:10:43  <orudge> I think all 8 are in this channel, too
19:11:00  <TrueBrain> so much for IPv6 usage :p
19:11:04  <orudge> or thereabouts
19:11:10  <frosch123> ban them and you have consistent access
19:11:23  * orudge bans TrueBrain, Rubidium, petern...
19:11:28  <orudge> I could see that might have negative effects :p
19:11:30  * EoD survived!
19:11:38  <TrueBrain> EoD: who are you?
19:11:41  * orudge kills EoD
19:11:44  <EoD> Noone
19:11:48  <EoD> damn!
19:11:57  <mizipzor> TinoDidriksen: thanks
19:13:03  <EoD> TrueBrain: Noone, that's why i survived the first attack ;)
19:13:06  * petern is not using ipv6...
19:13:12  <petern> (for irc)
19:13:17  <orudge> nor am I, for IRC
19:13:20  <mizipzor> regarding ipv6, i tried it a few times for some geek points... but besides having a fun hacker challenge, my internet experience didnt get better
19:13:21  <orudge> since mIRC doesn;t support it, alas
19:13:37  <orudge> I could move my bouncer to gollum or obiwan and connect to the bouncer over IPv4, and the bouncer to the server via IPv6
19:13:40  <orudge> but that'd be vaguely pointless
19:14:21  <Rubidium> mizipzor: well, reaching my laptop behind a NAT is much easier with IPv6 (tunnel)
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19:14:38  <TrueBrain> <- the 'official' json rpc webpage :(
19:14:47  <petern> that would be easy with an ipv4 tunnel, though
19:15:02  <petern> nic
19:15:04  <petern> e
19:15:06  <mizipzor> Rubidium: nice to see you have some use for it :) i didnt find it easier
19:15:06  <EoD> the is the main advantage. I can connect from my computer at the university (behind a lot of NATs) to my personal computer here (which is also behind a NAT)
19:15:25  <TrueBrain> I think I make IPv6 only
19:15:28  <TrueBrain> that at least avoids bug reporets
19:15:30  <petern> silly ripe lir portal. it remembers by username and password but not my regid :/
19:15:40  <mizipzor> although, i had controll over all the NATs i wanted to get through :p
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19:16:45  <EoD> Everyone can have his own personal server which is at his home behind any NAT/router with IPv6.
19:16:52  <EoD> I like that :)
19:16:59  <mizipzor> hmm... a partition is mounted on /media/disk, but all there is in there is a lost+found... is that partition empty? or could it be permissions error or something?
19:17:21  <petern> sounds empty
19:17:24  <EoD> probably empty?
19:17:29  <TrueBrain> sounds extN fs
19:17:37  <petern> is it the correct partition? heh
19:18:11  <mizipzor> petern: i dunno :p
19:18:52  <mizipzor> see, my server has just stood there, it was my old desktop before i bought this laptop, now im planning to nuke the drives and reinstall linux... trying out yet another distro and go for a more headless setup
19:18:56  <TinoDidriksen> Access permissions won't hide files from view, so isn't that. If you can ls, you have access.
19:19:01  <mizipzor> so im going through the disks connected to it
19:19:16  <mizipzor> TinoDidriksen: i can ls
19:19:17  <TinoDidriksen> "fdisk -l" is also useful.
19:19:46  * frosch123 prefers "cat /proc/partitions"
19:20:29  * EoD prefers "df -h"
19:20:43  <mizipzor> i prefer fdisk since then i can see which of the partitions are mounted where :p
19:21:08  <mizipzor> can i see some sort of "rawdata" as to how much of the partition is free? if it close to 100% i can safely assume i have no data on the disk
19:21:13  <SmatZ> mizipzor: I can't
19:21:29  <frosch123> mizipzor: df
19:21:33  <TinoDidriksen> fdisk shows size of disk and size of partition. Do the math.
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19:21:56  <TinoDidriksen> Oh, you meant free space on the fs
19:21:57  <mizipzor> frosch123: yup, 0 or 1 % used on the disks :p
19:22:09  <mizipzor> SmatZ: cant what?
19:22:12  <Nite_Owl> ISP problems
19:22:49  <SmatZ> mizipzor: it doesn't show what is mounted where
19:24:54  <TinoDidriksen> SmatZ, you combine it with mount
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19:25:20  <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: [21:20:56] <mizipzor> i prefer fdisk since then i can see which of the partitions are mounted where :p
19:25:45  <TinoDidriksen> Yes, but I had already told him about mount.
19:26:08  <SmatZ> ah well :)
19:26:15  <TrueBrain> <- is not IPv6 ready :(
19:26:39  <SpComb> that's what you have for
19:27:22  <TrueBrain> and it really exists :p
19:27:23  <TrueBrain> lol
19:27:27  <EoD> lol
19:27:55  <jonty-comp> even I knew that!
19:28:01  * jonty-comp goes to break it
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19:28:32  <petern>
19:28:46  <jonty-comp> SpComb has jumped on the bandwagon! :D
19:28:56  <SpComb> ages ago
19:29:01  <SpComb> but I don't really have proper reverses for this host
19:29:07  <jonty-comp> no
19:29:24  <SpComb> and I don't want to request a /48 just to get reverses
19:29:30  <orudge> alas one can't change the reverse DNS for your tunnel
19:29:32  <orudge> only for a subnet
19:29:42  <petern> oh no
19:29:47  <petern> i'll have to set up reverse dns :o
19:29:55  <petern> if ripe let me have 'em
19:30:22  <orudge> hmm, I see is rather un-nsfw in its choice of advertising
19:30:42  <orudge> I mean
19:30:43  <orudge> er
19:30:45  <orudge> un-un-nsfw
19:30:48  <orudge> ie, nsfw
19:30:56  <orudge> anyhoo
19:30:56  <mizipzor> SmatZ: ah, sorry, was misstaken about fdisk
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19:33:02  <jonty-comp> hmm, reverse dns
19:33:08  * jonty-comp fiddles about with that a bit
19:33:53  <EoD> i'm off for now. Probably  back later
19:33:55  <EoD> bye
19:34:00  <mizipzor> EoD: bye!
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19:43:03  <el_en> "Your host is        Your country is Netherlands"
19:43:14  <jonty-comp> ha, that's fancy
19:43:23  <jonty-comp> I disconnected and reconnected my tunnel and the ssh didn't die
19:43:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15961 /trunk/src/network/ (core/udp.cpp core/udp.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: prepare the 'client' side for receiving 'session keys' from the masterserver so servers can register with multiple IPs as the same server.
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19:44:46  <petern> :o
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19:45:56  <jonty-comp> I need to think of a random cheap domain like I can buy and learn about DNS on D:
19:46:05  <jonty-comp> now I have a VPS, and stuff like that.
19:46:28  <orudge>!
19:46:30  <orudge> except it's already taken
19:46:35  <jonty-comp> perhaps not that 'like'
19:46:51  <orudge>
19:46:51  <jonty-comp> considering all the public domains on are rubbish.
19:46:55  <jonty-comp> like ""
19:47:08  <jonty-comp> and ""
19:47:12  <orudge>!
19:47:17  <jonty-comp> rather
19:47:48  <SpComb> just buy it from a registrar that does IPv6 glue
19:47:50  <SpComb> like Joker
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19:48:51  * orudge glues SpComb to the ceiling
19:49:05  <SpComb> so don't buy it from zernebok domains
19:49:18  <orudge> pfft, you don't need IPv6 glue to be able to mess with DNS
19:49:23  <orudge> you can still run an IPv6-capable nameserver
19:49:28  <orudge> it'd just not have IPv6 records in the root DNS :)
19:49:50  <orudge> speaking of buying from Zernebok, how goes the signup, SpComb? would you care for some bank details and suchlike?
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19:50:16  <SpComb> I've been busy personally
19:50:30  <Yexo> hello
19:52:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15962 /extra/masterserver_updater/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: handle and give out session keys to clients.
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19:53:10  <jonty-comp> SpComb: that is just the kind of thing I intend to learn about :p
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19:54:17  <SpComb> jonty-comp:
19:54:23  <SpComb> and look at the figures for AAAA-glue
19:54:44  <SpComb> they're in the three digits range for the major TLDs
19:55:12  <SmatZ> Slovakia ftw
19:55:14  <jonty-comp> I can tell I'm going to get a lot of ipv6 addresses wrong by missing colons
19:56:14  <orudge> anyway, jonty-comp, it would be quite possible for me to delegate, say, to nameservers you can run on your VPS, without you having to buy a new domain, if you want
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19:56:17  <TrueBrain> orudge: is the DNS of IPv6 ready? :p
19:56:17  <orudge> easier perhaps if you do buy a new domain
19:56:18  <orudge> but up to you
19:56:50  <orudge> TrueBrain: well, will hopefully be IPv6 ready in "Q3 2009" (that's when the ISP hosting it says they'll have native IPv6)
19:56:59  <TrueBrain> hehe :)
19:57:03  <TrueBrain> and ns1?
19:57:20  <orudge> ns2 and ns4 apparently not, since they're in the US and my US provider has "no plans to offer IPv6 any time soon", despite them claiming to offer it a year ago
19:57:33  <orudge> ns1, I'm not sure
19:57:36  <orudge> would have to ask the ISP ;)
19:57:44  <TrueBrain> I can give you that answer :p
19:57:52  <TrueBrain> but I meant via a tunnel
19:57:54  <orudge> well
19:58:01  <orudge> I'm not really wanting to set up tunnels on all those servers
19:58:01  <petern> i'll be able to do ipv6 dns :D
19:58:04  <TrueBrain> LeaseWeb is very near (in absolute terms anyway :p)
19:58:13  <TrueBrain> lol @ petern :)
19:58:18  <TrueBrain> orudge: well, I can understand that :)
19:58:18  <orudge> if only because I'm not sure how many tunnels sixxs will let me have ;)
19:58:37  <orudge> so for those I will wait for native IPv6
19:58:38  <TrueBrain> oh well :)
19:59:00  <orudge> those servers happily server my reverse DNS zones for my IPv6 subnets
19:59:03  <orudge> despite not being IPv6 themselves ;)
19:59:10  <orudge> *serve
19:59:14  <TrueBrain> that of course is no problem at all :)
19:59:25  <TrueBrain> just that part towards is not IPv6 ;)
19:59:28  <TrueBrain> the only break in the link :p
19:59:36  <jonty-comp> orudge: I was not aware you could do that!
19:59:48  * TrueBrain gives jonty-comp a book about DNS
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20:00:05  <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: well I wanted to get TCP/IP for Dummies, and I'm sure there's a DNS for Dummies!
20:00:16  <TrueBrain> just read wikipedia page or what ever
20:00:21  <jonty-comp> but I have two weeks with little to do
20:00:28  <jonty-comp> the wikipedia pages are far too technical :(
20:00:29  <TrueBrain> or follow one of the lovely network classes tey have at universities :p
20:00:38  <jonty-comp> they go on about network layers and all sorts
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20:00:46  <TrueBrain> it is where TCP/IP starts :)
20:00:49  <orudge>
20:00:57  <jonty-comp> hooray!
20:01:00  <orudge> maybe some of those will help
20:01:06  <TrueBrain> as .. well .. it is a 'catch-all' name for data-layers :p
20:01:07  <jonty-comp> except for the &sourceid=firefox bit
20:01:23  <orudge> well, I copied and pasted it from Firefox :p
20:01:32  <TrueBrain> Promoting FireFox? :p
20:02:24  <jonty-comp> orudge: if you set up something like '', could I break everything while configuring it? :P
20:02:42  <jonty-comp> also, that means I might be able to have once I learn how to :D
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20:03:05  <orudge> jonty-comp: well, you'd have to install a nameserver such as nsd (which is much smaller and faster than bind)
20:03:16  <orudge> and then set up a zone for
20:03:17  <jonty-comp> it sounds harder to use
20:03:17  <TrueBrain> powerdns! :p
20:03:19  <orudge> then it's up to you what to do
20:03:53  * jonty-comp does an apt-get install nsd
20:04:56  * jonty-comp apparently now has a 2001:05c0:1501:1500/56 subnet
20:05:30  <orudge> you can also have up several gazillion IPs on your VPS, except I have to add each one, so I'd prefer you to be sensible with them ;)
20:06:03  <jonty-comp> well, I don't have anything to do with two IPs, never ind a gazillion :p
20:06:10  <orudge> that's OK then ;)
20:06:14  <jonty-comp> +m
20:06:33  <jonty-comp> would you kindly set up the thingy when it suits you, then?
20:06:43  <jonty-comp> and I shall try my best not to break the whole server again.
20:07:37  * jonty-comp makes no promises, however
20:08:31  <mizipzor> ubuntu was my desktop distro, im searching the net now for a cool "serverdistro"... whatever that is
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20:09:30  <Sacro> mizipzor: Arch, Ubuntu, Debian, CentOS
20:09:37  <jonty-comp> in that order?
20:09:41  <Sacro> Errm
20:09:46  <Sacro> quite possibly ues
20:09:47  <Sacro> *yes
20:10:18  <orudge> OK, jonty-comp, has been delegated to, which points to your IPv4 and IPv6 addresses of your VPS
20:10:42  <mizipzor> Sacro: arch was my first picked until now when i started to search for alternatives
20:10:45  * jonty-comp writes that down
20:10:53  <mizipzor> well, i mean, it still is, i just want to see if its something even better :p
20:11:06  <mizipzor> but i really like that simple/barebone philosophy
20:11:23  <Sacro> mizipzor: better than Arch? I doubt that
20:11:26  <orudge> jonty-comp: you can therefore create zones under
20:11:34  <orudge> Sacro: debian!
20:11:35  <Sacro> though tbh debian makes a nice server, though not as bleeding edge
20:11:48  <orudge> you don't necessarily want a server to be bleeding edge, anywayt
20:11:50  <orudge> -t
20:11:58  <jonty-comp> I vaguely messed with bind on my home network ages ago, and seemed to get it
20:12:12  <jonty-comp> and of course the DNS server on Windows 2003 at work is comparatively simple to use
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20:12:30  <mizipzor> i want! well, considering its only for personal use... and the biggest reason ill make the server is for the challenge... watching stuff break and try to fix it :p
20:12:35  <jonty-comp> at least I know what A and CNAME records are :p
20:12:48  <jonty-comp> mizipzor: that's what my old PC is for :D
20:13:00  <mizipzor> jonty-comp: thats what my old pc will be ;)
20:13:00  <jonty-comp> it's currently an ubuntu server, which was a mistake though
20:13:15  <jonty-comp> but it has a backup of all my stuff on it, so I don't want to nuke it yet
20:13:27  <mizipzor> jonty-comp: yes, i realised that as well, ubuntu seems geared way more towards desktop and linux newcomers
20:13:35  <petern> debian's the best server
20:13:38  <jonty-comp> then when I do nuke it I'll use one HDD for debian and one for /home, so that doesn't happen again
20:13:41  <petern> (and the best desktop imo)
20:13:42  <orudge> jonty-comp, if you type in `dig -t AXFR', it may help you see what your zone looks like
20:13:49  <orudge> (that's not exactly how it's formatted on the server, but it's close enough)
20:13:59  <petern> public AXFRs!
20:14:00  <jonty-comp> bash: dig: command not found
20:14:02  <jonty-comp> :p
20:14:05  <orudge> apt-get install ;)
20:14:19  <jonty-comp> E: Couldn't find package dig
20:14:23  * jonty-comp searches aptitude
20:14:26  <mizipzor> petern: well, maybe for a server that has demands in stability... my server is for fun, therefor best = most fun, a stable program isnt fun ;) no hacking in that!
20:14:40  <petern> not exactly
20:14:41  <orudge> jonty-comp: try bind-utils
20:14:48  <orudge> or, erm
20:14:48  <orudge> dnsutils
20:14:50  <orudge> something like that
20:14:57  <petern> fixing broken bleeding edge servers is no fun
20:15:05  <orudge> the blood gets everywhere
20:15:09  <petern> yes
20:15:15  <mizipzor> call my crazy but to me it is :p
20:15:19  <mizipzor> besides, i like blood everywhere
20:15:22  <petern> as if the scsi-sacrifice was not enough
20:16:03  <mizipzor> and all these package managers nowadays! i like downloading and compiling everything on my own... that way, i find it easier to remember everything i have on the box :p
20:16:34  <orudge> there is a certain charm to building things yourself, when it all works
20:16:43  <orudge> there's also a certain charm to typing apt-get install smellypoo
20:16:44  <jonty-comp> good lord, I have a lot of subdomains
20:16:51  <jonty-comp> school?  I never remember making that one
20:16:51  <orudge> and seeing all the dependencies scroll up and be installed without you having to think
20:16:54  * jonty-comp deletes a few
20:17:22  <orudge> ah, look, Doug's downloading all of Mock the Week off my server
20:17:27  <orudge> I wondered why the hard disks were croaking away
20:17:32  <jonty-comp> :o
20:18:12  <orudge> and 2001:5c0:1400:a::11 is trying to get a favicon.ico
20:18:15  <orudge> which seems to be somebody on eweka
20:18:16  <orudge> intriguing
20:18:45  <jonty-comp> I often see random requests on my hosting account
20:18:59  <petern> eweka have a freenet6 endpoint
20:19:02  <jonty-comp> oh good, a video on DNS basics
20:19:06  <petern> or maybe *is* the freenet6 endpoint... dunno :p
20:19:16  <orudge> good ol' eweka
20:19:17  <jonty-comp>
20:19:17  <petern>     link/sit peer
20:19:20  <petern> domain name pointer
20:19:31  <orudge> shame their routers kept fialing
20:19:32  <orudge> *failing
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20:28:32  <mizipzor> im currently running ubuntu, on my old pc that doesnt support usb stick boot and which has a broken cd device... what other options do i have to install a new os?
20:28:54  <mizipzor> ive heard its possible to just download the files and install them into a new partition... am i misstaken?
20:29:14  <jonty-comp> if you have windows already, yes
20:29:19  <jonty-comp> but that's a bit of a messy way of doing it
20:29:33  <jonty-comp> the only other option is network booting, but that's messy
20:29:42  <jonty-comp> and yet another area that I've broken something in
20:30:24  <mizipzor> the current os running is ubuntu, i thought it would never be possible in windows... thought that at *least* the nix commands were required
20:30:47  <jonty-comp> possibly, I don't know
20:49:21  <mizipzor> lol, i think i need to shrink the partition ubuntu is currently on in order to have the room for arch
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20:59:51  <TinoDidriksen> You can download the ISO, mount it via loopback, and run the installer directly. Plus many other ways.
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21:04:37  <Sacro> mizipzor: unetbootin
21:04:48  <jonty-comp> How ironic, Tiscali have chosen this moment to break their DNS server
21:04:53  * jonty-comp has switched to OpenDNS
21:05:01  <jonty-comp> although my computer is completely broken as usual
21:05:32  <jonty-comp> now my tunnel won't reconnect
21:05:45  <mizipzor> Sacro: found the site on google, but my comp is to old to boot from usb devices
21:05:54  <jonty-comp> every program has been crashing with "the memory cannot be 'written'" or 'read' for the past few days :(
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21:06:02  <jonty-comp> and now netsh is.
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21:06:36  <TinoDidriksen> jonty-comp, time to run memtest86 ...
21:06:40  <jonty-comp> I did
21:06:44  <jonty-comp> but not for very long
21:06:47  * jonty-comp can't be bothered
21:07:07  <jonty-comp> it would be far easier to just take one of the RAMs out and see what happens
21:07:22  <jonty-comp> they only seem to crash when you close them, though
21:07:28  <jonty-comp> either that or they eat up 100% CPU
21:12:34  <jonty-comp> time to scrap AVG and get Comodo methinks
21:12:46  <jonty-comp> it may be the second virus that's got through AVG in as many months
21:13:07  * jonty-comp shall run a proper scan with the Sophos CLI thing tomorrow morning
21:13:52  <TrueBrain> @calc 2.5 / 34.5 * 100
21:13:52  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 7.24637681159
21:14:02  <TrueBrain> 7% IPv6 traffic ... someone has been downloading over IPv6 :p
21:16:16  <petern> does that include bananas?
21:16:31  <TrueBrain> traffic is on ethernet level, so yes
21:16:37  <petern> ah
21:16:41  <TrueBrain> rest of my stats are http based
21:16:58  <TrueBrain> but I guess bananas is still running on IPv4 via OpenTTD client :p
21:17:28  <petern> shush
21:17:29  <jonty-comp> well don't forget there is lots of traffic for your special ipv6 banner logo :p
21:17:37  <petern> obviously i meant the website... yes...
21:22:18  <TrueBrain> nevermind me latest comment
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21:42:27  <TrueBrain> \xc4\x87a <- who can translate that UTF-8 stuff for me? :p
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21:42:53  <petern> it says
21:42:57  <petern> \xc4\x87a
21:43:06  <TrueBrain> petern: go to bed or something :p
21:43:56  <TrueBrain> I don't really have UTF-8 capable shells here .. so I can only give you the hex representation of the chars .. which leaves me with no idea what it says :p
21:45:03  <TrueBrain> ća
21:45:07  <TrueBrain> tnx petern, for nothing :(
21:46:16  <TinoDidriksen> Hmm...
21:48:02  <TinoDidriksen> It's a Ć
21:48:37  <TinoDidriksen> Upper case C with an acute accent.
21:48:56  <TrueBrain> both trac and the utf8 table say lowercase ...
21:49:36  <TrueBrain> ah, no, you are right
21:49:41  <TrueBrain> they just display it lowercase :p
21:49:56  <TrueBrain> hmm .. no ..
21:49:59  <TrueBrain> grr, I hate tables :p
21:50:00  <TrueBrain> U+0107	ć	c4 87	LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH ACUTE
21:50:03  <TrueBrain> SMALL letter :p
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21:50:20  <Rubidium> just paste c4 86 for comparison
21:50:26  <TinoDidriksen> Hm, my thingy misbehaved then.
21:51:00  <TinoDidriksen> Close, but off by one.
21:51:33  <TrueBrain> tnx anyway :)
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22:02:42  <TrueBrain> the person who introduced an utf-case in a language file should be shot on sight :(
22:04:56  <Rubidium> the authors of the tool that can't handle utf8 should be ... punished
22:05:33  <TrueBrain> it is more that all our 'strings' are non-UTF .. but by adding a case they now are UTF-8 ... which sucks :p
22:07:02  <Rubidium> they are all valid UTF8
22:07:24  <TrueBrain> that they are
22:07:28  <TrueBrain> just not valid ANSII
22:07:32  <Rubidium> okay, I have to admit they are valid ASCII
22:07:33  <TrueBrain> which is still a lot easier to work with ;)
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22:08:16  <TrueBrain> they are only valid extended-ANSII :p
22:10:18  <TrueBrain> why do language authors add a shitload of cases, but never use any of them? Or just one ...
22:11:20  <TrueBrain> where do they speak the language Ido?
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22:22:25  <petern> non-UTF-8 language files?
22:24:06  <TrueBrain> who was talking about that?!
22:24:09  <TrueBrain> that would be silly :)
22:24:17  <petern> good oh
22:28:43  <TrueBrain>    WARNING: Modified ownname of language to 'ᅵᅵᅵᅵᅵᅵᅵᅵᅵᅵ' <- UTF-8 rules!!! :p
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22:29:25  <bobo_b> hi
22:29:35  <bobo_b> can i fast forward on a remote server using rcon?
22:30:09  <TrueBrain> you can't fast forward multiplayer games, period :)
22:31:27  <bobo_b> well
22:31:30  <bobo_b> oh
22:31:31  <bobo_b> ok
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22:34:14  <SmatZ> works->  doesn't work-> www.opе  hurray for IDN ;)
22:34:51  <TinoDidriksen> Naturally...
22:35:19  <SmatZ> the actual appearance of the second link depends on your IRC client...
22:35:47  <Rubidium> they're both the same ;)
22:36:00  <TrueBrain> <- hehe
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22:36:55  <SmatZ> :)
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22:37:57  <bobo_b> same links here too
22:38:59  <bobo_b> TrueBrain: what if it so extremely boring that you either fast forward or jump out the window?
22:39:18  <Nite_Owl> stop playing
22:39:22  <TrueBrain> bobo_b: I say: happy jumping
22:42:42  <bobo_b> hm
22:42:52  <TrueBrain> what did you expect?
22:43:02  <TrueBrain> that we opened up a magic head and showed you how to go fast forward? :p
22:43:08  <TrueBrain> it is not possible. Accept it :)
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22:44:33  <bobo_b> i do :-)
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22:45:13  <TrueBrain> I should never ever say again: I go to bed when this import is done
22:45:18  <TrueBrain> it went fast from 10000 to 14500
22:45:32  <TrueBrain> but it now takes as long to do 100 revision, as it did 1000 revisions a while ago :(
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22:48:22  <bobo_b> ok
22:48:24  <bobo_b> night night
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23:14:26  <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all
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23:31:25  <TrueBrain> bah ... this is taking WAY longer than I expected :)
23:31:44  <TrueBrain> annoying things about time indications .. they are always wrong :)
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