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00:02:35 *** welshdragon was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [is it better like this ?] 00:02:40 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 00:02:47 <glx> it was me ;) 00:10:32 <welshdragon> haha 00:11:09 <Patrick`> @kick Patrick` boobies 00:11:12 <Patrick`> aww. 00:11:15 <SmatZ> @kick Patrick` boobies 00:11:15 *** Patrick` was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [boobies] 00:11:25 *** Patrick` [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:11:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v Patrick`] by ChanServ 00:11:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.26.48] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 00:11:34 <SmatZ> Patrick`: strange, works for me :-x 00:11:46 <Patrick`> I should totally be able to kick myself even though I'm not an "op" 00:11:46 <glx> @whois Patrick` 00:11:57 <glx> @kickme 00:12:06 <Patrick`> @suicide 00:12:26 * SmatZ resists to abuse his DorpsGek access :) 00:14:14 <TrueBrain> @kban 30 Patrick` as you wish 00:14:14 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: 30 is not in #openttd. 00:14:16 <TrueBrain> hmm 00:14:19 <TrueBrain> @kban Patrick` 30 as you wish 00:14:20 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] by DorpsGek 00:14:20 *** Patrick` was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [as you wish] 00:14:32 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I have no problems abusing it 00:14:52 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] by DorpsGek 00:14:55 <SmatZ> Patrick is nice 00:15:22 <TrueBrain> yup :) 00:15:38 <TrueBrain> if it was yorick, it would have read 3000 :p 00:15:39 <glx> Patric is nice too ;) 00:15:43 <TrueBrain> :$ 00:15:49 <TrueBrain> Patric is going to find his bed .. good night! 00:15:56 <SmatZ> hehe 00:15:58 <SmatZ> byebye 00:16:02 <SmatZ> yorick is banned here 00:16:10 <glx> again? 00:17:42 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*Yorick@*.ip.telfort.nl] by DorpsGek 00:17:42 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 00:33:16 <EoD> has anyone tried to set up aiccu with windows x64? 00:53:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:53:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:52 <EoD> brb 00:54:55 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEF881.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]] 00:55:00 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:56:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:57:22 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:03:59 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:14 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 01:07:36 <EoD> re 01:16:28 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 01:18:59 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 01:21:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:31 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 01:51:51 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:14:42 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 02:37:30 <EoD> wish everyone a good night 02:37:32 <EoD> bye 02:37:54 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]] 03:02:33 *** Audigex [~audigex@89.240.179.150] has quit [] 03:07:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:14:32 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:699a:1a91:371f:f31a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:22:10 <[wito]> PAIN! 03:25:33 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:27:44 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 03:28:49 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [] 03:35:09 *** michi_cc [5625131e5d@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:31 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:43:41 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 04:09:01 *** padi [pad@bl8-191-176.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:25:01 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 04:30:38 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:13:00 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:47 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 05:14:52 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:58 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 05:45:49 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:15 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 05:57:29 *** bububu [~bububu@213.234.205.46] has joined #openttd 05:57:40 <bububu> 0432 044b 0432 0441 0435 0413 0410 0412 041d 041e!!!!!! 05:57:50 <Pikka> exactly 05:57:57 <bububu> 0431 0443 0431 0443 0431 0443 05:57:59 *** bububu [~bububu@213.234.205.46] has left #openttd [] 05:58:53 <goodger> that too 06:34:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:06 *** michi_cc [95828ef081@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 06:37:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 06:54:42 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 07:09:22 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm6.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:17:14 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:17:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:20:04 <petern> SmatZ, so can you do your benchmarks on the actual performance of the game? 07:20:15 <petern> cos, you know, compile time is pretty irrelevant 07:28:31 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:10 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:39:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:16 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:53:30 <petern> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/281 < hurr 07:54:18 <Pikka> wut 07:55:26 <petern> ipv6 only :s 07:57:45 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D689.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:58:37 <petern> hmm 07:58:50 *** dih is now known as dihedral 08:00:33 <petern> odd 08:00:50 <petern> seems sshd on [::]:22 won't answer ipv4 requests 08:01:05 <petern> but vsftp/lighttpd on [::]:21/80 will answer 08:03:50 <Rubidium> those last two won't work the same on Windows though 08:04:19 <petern> er 08:04:38 <petern> but... i'm not 08:07:23 <petern> is the server list still limited to one packet? 08:07:52 <Rubidium> yes 08:08:20 <Rubidium> though technically it should be no problem to reply in multiple packets 08:36:09 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc2-papw2-0-0-cust619.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:36:25 <Azrael-> Nick is registered. :< 08:36:29 *** Azrael- is now known as Azrael_ 08:39:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.180.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:57 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41:37 <petern> hmm, and openttd doesn't response to ipv4 when on :: 08:42:53 <petern> *respond 08:43:30 <Rubidium> yeah, that's because it doesn't bind to IPv4 08:44:22 <petern> *confused* :/ 08:45:38 <Rubidium> 0.0.0.0 == IPv4, :: == IPv6, <nothing> == IPv4 and IPv6 08:47:09 <petern> hmm 08:47:26 <petern> and on linux the last one happens to look the same as ipv6, in netstat? 08:47:57 <Rubidium> no, it will have both an IPv4 and IPv6 socket opened 08:53:31 <petern> er 08:53:40 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:53:50 <petern> tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 19721/lighttpd 08:54:03 <petern> that responds to ipv4 08:54:49 <Rubidium> yeah, but I've disabled that 'feature' 08:59:53 <petern> so it's a... feature 09:00:39 <Pikka> 'feetcha' 09:00:46 <petern> is there a ... reason to disable the feature? 09:01:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 09:01:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:02:06 <Rubidium> yeah, Microsoft doesn't support that feature 09:02:20 <petern> so? 09:02:51 <Rubidium> I rather have it behave the same on ALL platforms; makes it easier to test, debug and such 09:03:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:03:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:56 <petern> okay 09:04:05 <petern> how do i listen on both ipv4 and ipv6? 09:04:25 <Rubidium> bind to "" 09:04:36 <Rubidium> i.e. set server_bind_id to nothing 09:04:42 <Rubidium> (empty string) 09:05:10 <petern> ah 09:05:26 <petern> so there's no current way of explicitly listing addresses & ports to use 09:05:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:05:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:01 <Rubidium> the config file doesn't handle that yet 09:06:21 <petern> *nod* 09:06:22 <Rubidium> though internally the code can bind to basically anything you want 09:06:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:06:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:07:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:07:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:46 <petern> hmm, master server lists only the ipv6 address 09:08:26 *** tosse [tosse@tosse.pp.se] has joined #openttd 09:08:32 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:08:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:09:27 <Rubidium> yeah, fixing something broke something else, but I'm working on fixing that too ;) 09:10:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:10:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:47 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:01 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:23:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16007 /trunk/src/network/core/ (address.cpp address.h): -Fix (r16004): when we want to bind to both IPv4 and IPv6, make the master socket do that too; too bad getaddrinfo can't handle binding to any address on any port at the same time :( 09:25:16 *** Pikka [~user@58.173.248.50] has left #openttd [] 09:26:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.173] has joined #openttd 09:28:09 <petern> arrr 09:35:17 <petern> 2665 petern 20 0 221m 221m 43m S 0.0 43.9 10:43.83 firefox-bin 09:35:21 <petern> 3250 petern 20 0 204m 204m 17m S 3.0 40.6 0:10.32 qsynth 09:35:24 <petern> 32189 petern 20 0 21272 20m 3464 S 0.7 4.1 3:57.80 jackd 09:35:27 <petern> i could do with more memory 09:44:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16008 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Fix (r15808): Unswap swapped music selection panels. 09:49:16 *** Guest12 [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:32 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:12 <Rubidium> petern: http://rbijker.net/openttd/bind_to_more_ips.diff <- with that you can bind to all IPs you'd like 10:01:04 <TrueBrain> morning lovely people 10:02:04 <Rubidium> hello person living in UTC ;) 10:02:29 <petern> it's still morning in BST land too 10:03:40 <petern> Rubidium, what if i want to be awkward and use a different port for different IPs? :D 10:04:24 <Rubidium> then you have to rewrite quite a bit more 10:04:57 <Rubidium> especially the part that advertises 10:11:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:14 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 10:21:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16009 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Simplifying some variable assignments. 10:23:37 <petern> let var = 1 10:25:03 <TrueBrain> I don't like this 1600N revision numbering .. 10:25:06 <TrueBrain> it looks bad! 10:25:30 <Prof_Frink> You could fix it! 10:25:47 <TrueBrain> nah 10:26:00 <TrueBrain> I need to wait 4 weeks before I can request a subnet at SixXS .. sucks ... 10:26:22 <petern> hehe 10:26:33 <petern> i can give you one but it'd be unrouted :p 10:26:53 <TrueBrain> it turns out my university eats IPv6 in IPv4 packets 10:27:01 <petern> :( 10:27:01 <TrueBrain> so I need IPv6 in UDP in IPv4 :( 10:27:11 <petern> smells universityr 10:27:13 <petern> -r 10:27:16 <petern> -s+y 10:27:18 <petern> damn 10:27:27 <TrueBrain> they have a very big firewall in place for student homes 10:27:29 <TrueBrain> no idea why :( 10:27:34 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:27:58 <TrueBrain> and petern: in fact I should be able to use a subnet from yours, if I could configure the 6to4 endpoint to know it too :p 10:28:05 <TrueBrain> (as IPv6 for the rest is kind of auto-training :p) 10:29:01 <TrueBrain> Teredo is nice btw .. allows IPv6 for everyone in a relative simple way 10:29:06 <TrueBrain> (no registration, no nothing) 10:29:30 <TrueBrain> your connectivity is only a bit unstable (you never know where the reply will come from, rarely the same 6to4 gateway) 10:29:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16010 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Cleanup: Declare variables at first use. 10:29:48 <Alberth> TrueBrain: is this better? 10:29:54 <petern> heh 10:30:02 <TrueBrain> Alberth: why you ask me? 10:30:15 <TrueBrain> oh, revision 10:30:16 <petern> once i get that ipv6-capable firmware for my borders... 10:30:17 <TrueBrain> haha :) 10:30:21 <TrueBrain> Alberth: yes, thank you :) 10:30:21 <petern> THEN I WILL RULE THE WORLD 10:30:26 <Alberth> (12:25:12) TrueBrain: I don't like this 1600N revision numbering .. <- that's why 10:30:28 <TrueBrain> petern: ghehehehehehe :) 10:30:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:32:37 <Alberth> petern: didn't you see the 'Pinky and the brain' cartoons? 10:32:47 <TrueBrain> I laughed my ass off :) 10:33:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c098f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:35:12 <petern> http://www.dipity.com/tatercakes/Internet_Memes 10:35:13 <petern> Alberth, of course 10:39:12 <petern> 3573 petern 20 0 101m 74m 17m S 2.0 14.8 3:10.23 arora 10:39:18 <petern> bit better than firefox 10:44:54 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0168a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:55 *** Darkvater [~tfarago@ip192-213-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16011 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Extracting widget number enums from the window classes. 11:03:54 <jonty-comp> good god, there are servers that still run 0.5.3 11:04:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16012 /trunk/src/music/ (dmusic.cpp extmidi.cpp os2_m.cpp qtmidi.cpp): -Codechange: Code style clean up. 11:04:13 <jonty-comp> I assume someone's just set them running and forgotten about them for... what, two years now? 11:04:58 <petern> oop, arora locked up :( 11:05:09 <TrueBrain> poor arora 11:05:30 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: in some dungeon hidden between rocks :p 11:05:43 <jonty-comp> The server list on openttd.org should have a little icon with the lock/grf icons to say it's ipv6 :D 11:05:56 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: make me an IPv6 logo :p 11:05:58 <TrueBrain> (of that size) 11:06:01 <jonty-comp> hmm 11:06:05 <jonty-comp> (and that style) 11:06:19 <petern> hmm 11:06:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16013 /trunk/src/music_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Add nested widgets to music windows. 11:06:51 <petern> arrr 11:06:53 <petern> in fact 11:06:57 <petern> it does it every time :s 11:07:05 <petern> going to servers.openttd.org locks it up :( 11:08:14 <TrueBrain> so don't go there :) 11:09:07 <TrueBrain> oh yeah, client-count was wrong, I needed to fix that .. 11:12:52 *** padi [pad@bl8-188-128.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 11:15:38 *** padi [pad@bl8-188-128.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 11:18:36 <TrueBrain> Servers registered as on 2009-04-10 11:18:16 UTC. There are 147 clients, 177 IPv4 servers and 1 IPv6 servers. 11:18:38 <TrueBrain> that is better :) 11:20:06 <jonty-comp> :D 11:22:05 <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: http://stuff.jontysewell.net/server-ipv6.png 11:22:07 <jonty-comp> ^-^ 11:22:33 <TrueBrain> unreadable :s 11:22:51 <jonty-comp> :( 11:23:03 <jonty-comp> it is rather small 11:23:05 <TrueBrain> sorry, it is true! :) 11:23:11 <jonty-comp> but I don't know what dimensions you would like :P 11:23:16 <TrueBrain> the same as the others 11:23:18 <TrueBrain> dah :p 11:23:20 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 11:23:20 <jonty-comp> 14x14 11:23:32 <TrueBrain> I wouldn't know their dimensions 11:23:33 <jonty-comp> it could do with being a few px wider 11:24:03 <frosch123> "IP" needs tweaking, "v6" looks ok :) 11:24:17 <jonty-comp> the IP is a bit light 11:24:21 * jonty-comp copied the GRF one somewhat 11:25:05 <TrueBrain> anyway, I need to think about it anyway .. as you have IPv4 only, IPv6 only and IPv4/IPv6 servers 11:25:09 <TrueBrain> not sure how to represent those 11:25:13 <jonty-comp> indeed 11:25:45 <jonty-comp> although there probably won't be that many IPv6-only servers 11:25:49 <jonty-comp> for now 11:25:53 <TrueBrain> yours is 11:25:59 <jonty-comp> true 11:26:04 * jonty-comp whistles innocently 11:27:54 <jonty-comp> there, I made the IP a lot darker 11:28:14 <jonty-comp> now I am hungry 11:28:18 <TrueBrain> enjoy 11:29:20 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 11:29:46 <EoD> hi 11:29:54 <TrueBrain> howdie 11:31:03 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 11:34:39 <petern> jonty-comp! server error! 11:35:15 <jonty-comp> what? 11:35:19 <jonty-comp> oh, I moved the image 11:35:27 <jonty-comp> and put some more at http://vps.ipv4.jontysewell.net/openttd/ 11:35:31 <petern> oh 11:35:40 <petern> well you have an error document set up 11:35:44 <jonty-comp> for some reason it just 500s when it 404s 11:35:45 <petern> but no error document 11:35:50 <petern> so it gives the 500 instead 11:35:51 <jonty-comp> possibly because of that 11:36:00 <jonty-comp> I never remember setting the ErrorDocument thing though 11:36:02 <jonty-comp> whatever 11:36:09 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 11:36:48 <petern> i think adding icons for the lot would just add clutter 11:36:52 <jonty-comp> yes 11:37:14 <jonty-comp> I only really made the other ones to see what it looked like 11:37:29 <petern> "ipv4/ipv6" and "ipv6 only" 11:37:41 <jonty-comp> I suppose it could have an "ipv6-capable" icon that's, say, white and an "ipv6-only" icon that's red or something 11:37:49 <SpComb> just a "v6" in a slightly rounded box 11:37:57 <petern> yes 11:37:57 <jonty-comp> this is also quite possible 11:38:05 <petern> 3.0l v6 11:38:19 <petern> what is it, 14x14? 11:38:21 <TrueBrain> oeh, I would drive that :) 11:38:23 <jonty-comp> apparently 11:38:25 <SpComb> and no icon at all for v4 only 11:38:33 <petern> SpComb, yes 11:38:40 <jonty-comp> certainly I think v4 only doesn't need an icon 11:38:52 <jonty-comp> that would just confuse people who don't know what an IP is 11:38:59 <SpComb> and "v10" for v4 + v6! 11:39:04 <jonty-comp> heh 11:40:05 <TrueBrain> for every IP you have online you add those thingies 11:40:07 <TrueBrain> so you can have v12 11:40:09 <TrueBrain> or v16 11:40:12 <TrueBrain> or v20 11:41:01 <Prof_Frink> v12 sell shiny. 11:45:05 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:34 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/v6.png 11:45:37 <petern> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/v6-only.png 11:45:38 <petern> MAYBE NOT 11:46:17 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:341b:d14a:5538:bc8a] has joined #openttd 11:46:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:46:40 <glx> hello 11:46:51 <Alberth> hello 11:47:06 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:23 <jonty-comp> petern: not bad at all 11:47:46 <jonty-comp> although I don't know how it fits in with other icons 11:47:48 <jonty-comp> +the 11:49:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:50:26 <petern> well 11:50:28 <petern> unfortunately 11:50:36 <petern> 12:07 <@petern> going to servers.openttd.org locks it up :( 11:50:40 <jonty-comp> heh 11:50:41 <petern> so i can't see them :p 11:51:14 * petern firefoxes up instead 11:51:33 <petern> oh 11:51:37 <petern> they're sort of blurry 11:51:40 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm6.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: poo] 11:51:41 <jonty-comp> http://vps.ipv4.jontysewell.net/openttd/server-v6.png <-- better? 11:51:42 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:56 <jonty-comp> http://vps.ipv4.jontysewell.net/openttd/server-v6-2.png <-- I'm not very good at boxes 11:52:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.189.239] has joined #openttd 11:55:00 <jonty-comp> http://vps.ipv4.jontysewell.net/openttd/mockup.png 11:55:02 <jonty-comp> there you go 11:55:21 <jonty-comp> see how I completely copied the GRF one :P 11:56:13 <welshdragon> hmm, what about having a drop - down that lets you choose whether you want to see IPV4 or IPV6 servers? 11:56:29 <jonty-comp> it's possible 11:56:44 <jonty-comp> but that kind of thing isn't really what the web serverlist is for, in my opinion 11:57:06 <jonty-comp> I would much like to have some kind of filter system in the in-game server menu (although that doesn't show v6 for people who don't have it anyway) 11:57:54 <welshdragon> that's what I meant :) 11:58:02 <jonty-comp> oh, right 11:58:58 <jonty-comp> mm, fish and chips time 11:59:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.189.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:11 <dihedral> tada ^^ 12:00:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.189.239] has joined #openttd 12:06:02 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEFAFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:10 *** Zolorado [~5b93eb3d@webuser.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 12:15:19 <Zolorado> hi! 12:15:24 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:30 <Zolorado> I need some help 12:16:18 <Zolorado> anybody here? 12:16:42 <Zolorado> :< 12:16:44 <Rubidium> ask away 12:16:45 <petern> http://www.sorting-algorithms.com/ 12:17:11 <Zolorado> I want to put bold font to the openttd 12:17:28 <Zolorado> Arial Black is too bold 12:17:53 <Zolorado> how can I put in a Arial in bold? 12:18:28 <glx> *_font = arial bold 12:19:08 <glx> in openttd.cfg 12:19:23 <glx> indeed you can use any font :) 12:19:44 <Zolorado> yes 12:19:54 <Zolorado> I already tryed 12:20:09 <Zolorado> but it isn't bold 12:20:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c098f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:56 <petern> try , bold 12:21:35 <glx> and tell us what is your OS 12:21:44 <Zolorado> windows vista 12:21:47 <Zolorado> 32 bit 12:22:09 <glx> arial bold works for me 12:22:59 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.220] has joined #openttd 12:24:24 <Zolorado> yes, works, but not bolt for me 12:24:29 <Zolorado> d 12:24:47 <glx> are sure you modified the right openttd.cfg? 12:24:53 <Zolorado> yes 12:25:18 <Zolorado> I used arial black 12:25:35 <Zolorado> but I wat to change it 12:25:53 *** ST_ [~Scott@25.105.96.58.exetel.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:27:32 <Zolorado> with some type, I get a message: ...FreeType reported error 0x1 openttd 12:27:46 *** Zolorado [~5b93eb3d@webuser.thegrebs.com] has quit [Quit: TheGrebs.com CGI:IRC] 12:29:03 *** Zolorado [~5b93eb3d@webuser.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 12:29:18 <Zolorado> re 12:30:04 <Zolorado> Verdana bold works fine 12:30:08 <Zolorado> bold enough 12:30:22 <Zolorado> thanks! 12:30:23 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/arial.png and http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/arialbold.png 12:31:02 <glx> works fine for me 12:31:39 <Zolorado> I got error message with simple 'Arial' 12:31:49 <Zolorado> ...FreeType reported error 0x1 openttd... 12:31:59 <glx> and with 'arial' ? 12:32:31 <glx> it says requested 'arial' using 'Arial Regular' 12:32:38 <Zolorado> I will try... 12:32:57 <glx> and for 'arial bold' it uses 'Arial Bold' 12:34:44 <Zolorado> no 12:35:10 <Zolorado> 'arial' doesn't works, 'Arial Bold' isn't bold 12:35:27 <Zolorado> looks like on http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/arial.png 12:35:30 <glx> openttd -dfreetype2 12:36:17 <Zolorado> not bold yet 12:36:54 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:30 <glx> tells you what you requested and what openttd uses 12:37:47 <Zolorado> funny 12:37:50 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:52 <Zolorado> Arial Bold insteed of Arial Bold 12:37:54 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:36 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:02 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 12:39:04 <Zolorado> anyway, verdaan bold works 12:39:12 *** welterde [welterde@gandalf.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 12:39:24 *** murr4y [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::42] has joined #openttd 12:39:31 <Zolorado> (simple 'verdana' doesn't, don't know why) 12:39:46 <glx> ha it's the font size :) 12:39:53 <glx> it really uses bold 12:40:26 <Zolorado> verdana bold is OK for me 12:40:40 <Zolorado> thanks for your help! 12:41:01 <glx> arial bold in 10 doesn't look bold, but my screenshots were with size 11 12:42:08 <glx> so play a little with *_size 12:42:26 <Zolorado> I see 12:42:57 <Zolorado> where is small size in the game? 12:43:17 <glx> map, music control 12:43:26 <glx> vehicle lists 12:43:28 <petern> we so need this gui stuff finished off ;) 12:44:01 <glx> petern: won't solve font selection magically 12:44:07 <petern> no 12:44:11 <petern> not for that 12:44:35 <petern> to allow larger font sizes to be used 12:44:42 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:43 <petern> oh 12:44:46 <petern> arial bold fails for me 12:44:47 <petern> because 12:44:51 <petern> i don't have arial installed 12:44:54 <glx> hehe 12:45:31 <glx> install office and you'll have arial unicode 12:47:00 <petern> it's not apt-gettable :/ 12:49:23 <Zolorado> the small sized text is unreadable, which type do you use? 12:51:04 *** narc [~narc@86.104.40.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:27 <Zolorado> I go to play 12:53:32 <Zolorado> So long! 12:53:40 *** Zolorado [~5b93eb3d@webuser.thegrebs.com] has left #openttd [] 12:53:42 <glx> arial 7 12:53:46 <glx> too late 12:53:59 <glx> any font is too small in 6 ;) 12:54:28 <Sacro> petern: ttf-msfonts :D 12:56:08 <petern> lies 12:56:11 <petern> ttf-mscorefonts-installer 12:57:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16014 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Feature(-ish): allow binding to several IPs; [network]:server_bind_ip doesn't exist anymore. Add the IPs/hostnames to [server_bind_addresses] 13:18:09 *** CIA-1 [~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz] has quit [] 13:18:09 *** CIA-9 [~CIA@208.69.182.149.simpli.biz] has joined #openttd 13:19:51 * petern wonders how to stop abuse of distant station join... short of turning it off 13:20:27 <Rubidium> ban 0.0.0.0/0 13:20:29 <Rubidium> ban ::/0 13:20:33 <petern> :D 13:20:49 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:21:37 <Alberth> reduce effectivness as stations are further apart (add some time-interval for internal transport, add some cost?) 13:22:11 <glx> reduce station spread 13:26:26 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-83.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:36:03 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:57 *** TrogDoor [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-74.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:05:05 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-83.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:19 <fjb> Hello 14:05:40 *** TrogDoor is now known as Doorslammer 14:06:17 <Ammler> using the closest station tiles to messure the distance for payment. 14:06:21 <Alberth> Hai fjb 14:06:23 <Ammler> instead of station signs 14:07:51 * Ammler remembers the talk around Superbus ;-) 14:08:46 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/2006/08/18/superbuses/ 14:14:10 *** EoD [~EoD@pD9EEFAFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:12 <petern> yeah, similar to that 14:16:40 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:59 <TrueBrain> wow .. we might get a native IPv6 at LeaseWeb after all ... 14:17:42 <EoD> you will? 14:17:50 <petern> heh 14:17:53 <EoD> how so? 14:18:20 <TrueBrain> because some people there are just very nice and friendly :) 14:18:52 <petern> it sounds like you need to time your conversing properly 14:18:58 <petern> some days you get 'yeah we can do that' 14:19:02 <petern> other days you get 'no we don't do ipv6' 14:19:07 <petern> like different people on shift :p 14:19:24 <TrueBrain> well ... in this case you need to get an email from a person who reads the forums, and knows a way in ;) 14:20:42 <Rubidium> and then you start forwarding mails between employees to facilitate their "can do" vs "can't do" game ;) 14:21:04 <petern> hmm! 14:21:09 <TrueBrain> and then they tell you that you didn't do something, which you did, but the can'ts were winning from the cans .. 14:21:17 <TrueBrain> but ... finally progress ;) 14:21:30 <petern> heh 14:30:16 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-74.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 14:31:10 *** narc [~narc@86.104.40.152] has joined #openttd 14:33:48 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 14:37:16 <Ammler> wouldn't it be possible just to mesure the used station_spread of a station and cut that from the distance? 14:37:38 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:17 <Ammler> that would also give penalties to people using distrant join to catch a town for more pax. 14:39:00 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 14:45:36 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 14:51:51 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:32 *** Patrick` [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:54:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v Patrick`] by ChanServ 14:59:11 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:53 <EoD> i think i have some problems with the computer here... 15:00:53 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 15:02:10 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.201.65] has joined #openttd 15:03:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:05:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:12:20 <TrueBrain> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics --- 15:12:22 <TrueBrain> 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9031ms 15:12:23 <TrueBrain> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 8.047/8.135/8.246/0.059 ms 15:12:25 * TrueBrain laughs at EoD :p 15:12:35 <EoD> damnit! 15:12:46 <EoD> that can't be true! wait a minute 15:13:24 <EoD> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics --- 15:13:26 <EoD> 8 packets transmitted, 8 received, 0% packet loss, time 7033ms 15:13:28 <EoD> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 9.180/9.496/9.728/0.195 ms 15:13:30 <EoD> also native ipv6 15:13:32 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ABE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 15:14:10 <EoD> i don't get below 9... You won! Congratz! 15:14:20 <TrueBrain> LeaseWeb won :p 15:15:02 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm6.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:16:54 <TrueBrain> hmm .. you can't assign an ipv6 to a network alias? (secondary, or how ever you want to call them) 15:17:20 <SpComb> interface aliases have been deprecated since ages 15:17:22 <SpComb> use iproute2 15:17:37 <TrueBrain> it just makes things more clear in 'ifconfig' for vservers ... 15:18:06 * EoD agrees with iproute2 15:20:07 <TrueBrain> okay, native IPv6 enabled 15:20:09 <TrueBrain> changing DNS ;) 15:20:36 <EoD> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 16.361/16.477/16.541/0.064 ms (from native me to native openttd) 15:21:49 <EoD> i've to change my DNS, too... 15:23:04 <petern> you already know what openttd's native addresses are? 15:24:55 <EoD> yeah 15:25:11 *** Helder [Bloodlines@81.193.102.183] has joined #openttd 15:25:11 <Helder> http://bloodlines.mybrute.com/ << Beat me in this cute game and original game :) Its totally random! Try it out guys 15:26:23 *** Helder [Bloodlines@81.193.102.183] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. If you feel an error has been made, please contact support@oftc.net, thanks. (2009-04-10 15:26:23)] 15:27:33 <TrueBrain> petern: he has a special mirror for that 15:28:55 <TrueBrain> DNS update complete 15:29:16 <petern> heh, 6 instead of 7 hops 15:29:19 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0DA72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:24 <TrueBrain> petern: and 3 hidden hops 15:29:27 <TrueBrain> (IPv4 tunnel) 15:29:49 <petern> so it's still on a tunnel? hah 15:29:53 <TrueBrain> no 15:29:56 <petern> well 15:29:58 <petern> i am :p 15:29:59 <TrueBrain> I means: 3 hidden hops less 15:30:05 <petern> ahh 15:30:05 <TrueBrain> means = meant 15:30:12 <petern> yes, hidden hops less 15:30:14 <TrueBrain> this now is native ;) 15:30:18 <petern> yar 15:31:50 <TrueBrain> and now in theory we can bind 'hidden' services to an IPv6 ;) 15:31:56 <TrueBrain> (as we have 65534 left :p) 15:32:38 <petern> hmm? 15:33:15 <TrueBrain> well, we have a few NAT stuff running at openttd.org, because we didn't want to waste IPv4s on it :p 15:34:34 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0DD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:35:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:45:01 <petern> hmm 15:45:15 <petern> i wonder how many hidden hops there are for the adsl tunnel 15:45:27 <TrueBrain> you really want to know? :p 15:45:29 <petern> l2tp 15:45:32 <petern> no 15:45:37 <petern> shed loads probably :) 15:46:47 <Azrael_> Hmm... OK, I have a four-track station and I'm using presignals to work it. 15:47:10 <Azrael_> Are there any advantages in going entry-2*combo-4*exit instead of just entry-4*exit? 15:47:57 <petern> use pbs 15:48:05 <Azrael_> ? 15:48:35 <Azrael_> What's pbs? 15:49:08 <EoD> path based signaling 15:49:37 <EoD> http://wiki.openttd.org/PBS 15:50:17 *** Maarten is now known as Guest332 15:50:22 <Ammler> Azrael_: the entry signal will get green faster with combos 15:50:43 <Azrael_> I thought it would, but the distance between the combos and the entry seems trivial. 15:50:47 <jonty-comp> hmm, I guess my DNS hasn't updated yet 15:51:22 <Ammler> depense on the station design... 15:54:52 <EoD> jonty-comp: mine neither 15:55:09 <petern> depends 15:57:11 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:57:15 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-176-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:20 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.201.65] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:32 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:01:16 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:04 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has quit [] 16:04:44 <TrueBrain> can you stirke something on the forum? (text) 16:06:26 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:02 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:16:48 <petern> think i've seen other people do it:p 16:17:30 <Alberth> I can only find only underline in the BBcodes 16:18:32 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:07 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16015 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Completing the TransparencyToolbarWidgets enum. 16:24:24 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16016 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Moving the TransparencyToolbarWidgets outside the window class. 16:24:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c098f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:39 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has quit [] 16:29:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:29:58 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:30:18 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has quit [] 16:30:32 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:31:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16017 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to transparency settings window. 16:46:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:49:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:55:43 <Azrael_> How do I use in-game chat? 16:56:05 <TrueBrain> hit enter 16:56:22 <frosch123> ... but not too hard 16:56:43 <TrueBrain> it might hurt your finger, yes yes 16:57:30 <Azrael_> thanks for the safety warning 16:57:34 <Azrael_> almost had a nasty accident 16:57:49 <TrueBrain> feel free to donate: http://www.openttd.org/donate 16:58:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:39 <EoD> help deployment of ipv6 and donate to openttd! 16:59:18 <glx> you can also use the client list to opent chat box 16:59:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:00:16 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:04:29 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 17:07:28 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:21 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16018 /trunk/src/ (ini.cpp settings.cpp): -Fix (r16014): properly escape IPv6 style ([::]) addresses so they aren't seen as new groups. 17:23:36 <taisteluorava> Hey, i got gui3.tar in datafolder to get better looking toolbar GUI, but what parameter i need to add to openttd shortcut to allow it? 17:25:06 <petern> s/better/different/ 17:26:21 <glx> -b32bpp-simple at least 17:30:23 <frosch123> more likely though -b32bpp-optimized :) 17:30:45 <glx> true :) 17:31:30 <taisteluorava> it's not working :/ 17:31:35 <glx> and -b32bpp-anim if the cpu is good enough 17:32:24 <glx> hmm how are named your original files? 17:32:45 <glx> ie do you have dos or windows data files? 17:44:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:49:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16019 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt turkish.txt unfinished/serbian.txt): 17:49:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-10 17:49:32 17:49:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 11 changed by kristjans (11) 17:49:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 50 fixed by etran (50) 17:49:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: turkish - 2 fixed by Emin (2) 17:57:09 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:41 <Xaroth> dihedral: got things to work, hrr hrr 18:00:01 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: you are scary 18:00:06 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: eh? 18:00:26 <TrueBrain> 'hrr hrr' 18:00:28 <TrueBrain> really scarzy :) 18:00:30 <TrueBrain> scary 18:01:17 <Xaroth> heh 18:01:50 * petern times a compile 18:01:56 <petern> on this poopy laptop 18:02:02 <petern> oh, damn, forgot makedepend :( 18:02:08 <Xaroth> oi, no dissin mah laptop! :P 18:02:16 * Xaroth on crappy laptop as well 18:04:49 * Xaroth stabs said laptop's wifi 18:04:58 <TrueBrain> how do you stab a wifi? 18:05:03 <Xaroth> with a knife 18:05:09 <TrueBrain> good answer 18:05:10 <petern> cut its wir... oh 18:05:45 <petern> this laptop is wired, and connected to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc... 18:05:49 <Xaroth> bastard thing keeps disconnecting wireless 18:06:20 <petern> the screen on it is shit, the keyboard is shit, the trackpad is shit... 18:06:27 <glx> switch channel Xaroth 18:06:45 <TrueBrain> go sit closer to the station 18:07:11 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:49 <petern> cpu fan's working extra hard during this compile 18:07:57 <petern> it's up to saveload though, so not so bad 18:08:04 <Prof_Frink> Get some wires. 18:10:16 *** Ant_LV [Ant_LV@87.110.118.221] has joined #openttd 18:10:38 <petern> 8m44 :o 18:10:41 <taisteluorava> +glx, have windows data files ofc, but it doesent work :/ 18:12:16 <taisteluorava> i have also unzipped those in \data\sprites\openttd and \data\sprites\trg1r 18:13:23 <taisteluorava> openGFX toolbar GUI look is just too horrible 18:13:26 <Xaroth> glx: tried every channel 18:14:25 <Ant_LV> btw who were authors of original gfx? 18:14:29 <frosch123> taisteluorava: aren't the opengfx sprites the same as the newgui stuff? 18:14:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x14r4b.wh4.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:46 <taisteluorava> no 18:15:18 <taisteluorava> i speak about 32bit gui 18:15:45 <frosch123> yes, but I thought opengfx just sampled the existing 32bpp gui sprites to 8bpp 18:17:15 <Xaroth> Ant_LV: the original GFX? those were from Transport Tycoon Deluxe :P 18:17:26 <Ant_LV> yep 18:17:31 <Ant_LV> who were authors of them? 18:17:50 <Xaroth> google "Transport Tycoon Deluxe team" ? 18:17:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:17:53 <frosch123> simon foster or so 18:18:02 <frosch123> read the credits 18:18:55 <Ant_LV> maybe u can do this faster?:P 18:19:06 *** THUNDERHORSE [THUNDERHOR@88.216.121.1] has joined #openttd 18:19:08 <THUNDERHORSE> hello 18:20:01 <taisteluorava> http://wiki.openttd.org/GUI_(New_Graphics) this is what i want to get work with openGFX 18:20:12 <THUNDERHORSE> I am trying to make my ships to unload all cargo in a station 18:20:18 <THUNDERHORSE> but when they finish unloading 18:20:29 <THUNDERHORSE> they start loading again, and take everything back 18:20:51 <Mark> use a "no loading" order 18:21:08 <Mark> your orders are probably "unload and take cargo" 18:21:13 <THUNDERHORSE> i can find only no unload 18:21:24 <THUNDERHORSE> and everything has "take cargo" 18:21:49 <Xaroth> there are some dropdown menus on de buttons 18:21:52 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16020 /trunk/src/console_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use actual font height for console output instead of fixed value. 18:21:57 <Xaroth> try looking under the 'full load' dropdown 18:22:02 <Mark> no loading is in the same collum as full load 18:22:06 <Mark> exactly 18:22:22 <THUNDERHORSE> yes, i know there are drop down menus' but every option has "take cargo" 18:22:29 <Xaroth> no they don't 18:22:31 <Xaroth> look under full load 18:22:50 <THUNDERHORSE> ahhh 18:22:52 <THUNDERHORSE> thanks 18:23:47 <THUNDERHORSE> works fine now 18:24:17 <frosch123> haha, taisteluorava, now I know: you said you used opengfx. well the 32bpp gui is _still_ coded in a way it only applies to original graphics 18:24:39 <taisteluorava> ok, i thought that is possibe 18:24:46 <Ant_LV> & q: with new conditional orders is it possible to set 50% load? 18:24:52 <petern> no 18:25:03 <frosch123> it is possible, but not the way the 32bpp people did it up to now 18:25:22 <taisteluorava> ok 18:25:56 <frosch123> though if you extracted the tar, you can rename the tgr1r dir to the name of the matching opengfx file 18:26:23 <frosch123> i.e. "opengfx1r" 18:26:31 <petern> what is the method of being base graphics agnostic? 18:26:51 <frosch123> by using a newgrf with actiona? 18:27:03 <Ammler> hmm, wouldn't it be possible to add a symlink to the tar? 18:27:09 <frosch123> or by using an .obg 18:27:33 <frosch123> yes, symlinks are also supported. they were meant for dos/windows, but even that they did not manage yet :/ 18:30:37 <taisteluorava> hm, pretty strange. I tested with normal ttd graphics, but it still use openGFX toolbar GUI 18:31:01 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:33:30 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:31 <Ammler> frosch123: maybe, they just don't know, they are mainly artists than coders ;-) 18:35:14 <Ammler> taisteluorava: the opengfx gui is "cloned" from 32bpp, afaik 18:35:23 <petern> heh 18:35:28 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 18:37:13 <petern> heh, my svn+ssh is via ipv6 :D 18:37:23 <EoD> :) 18:38:39 <TrueBrain> petern: as it should! :p 18:40:27 <taisteluorava> hm, but why openGFX toolbar GUI is still there when i m using a original graphics 18:40:51 <frosch123> did you also load the opengfx newgrfs? 18:41:27 <Wolf01> hello 18:41:27 <Ammler> or the 32bpp gui? 18:41:42 <taisteluorava> none of openGFX newGRG is loaded 18:41:49 <taisteluorava> "GRF 18:42:08 <taisteluorava> neither that 18:42:50 <Ammler> well, that is loaded, if it is in the data dir, you wouldn need to remove it there, afaik 18:43:35 <taisteluorava> oh shit, it was loadet, i'l try figure it out 18:44:04 <Ammler> 32bpp people should use grfs :-) 18:44:48 <taisteluorava> yeah, its gone now, problem was that, somehow openGFX toolbar GUI enabled itself in newGRF ^^ 18:46:14 <taisteluorava> but now i would like to get 32bpp toolbar GUI to work with openGFX graphics. It work with original, and looks nice. 18:46:44 <taisteluorava> "[21:25] <frosch123> though if you extracted the tar, you can rename the tgr1r dir to the name of the matching opengfx file" hm? 18:47:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8079A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:09 <taisteluorava> i have those GUI png's in tgr1r folder 18:47:26 <frosch123> rename the "trg1r" folder to "opengfx1r" 18:47:33 <taisteluorava> ok 18:47:54 <frosch123> then start ottd again and activate opengfx :) 18:48:10 <taisteluorava> yeah, that work's : D 18:48:19 <taisteluorava> thx ; ) 18:49:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80FA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:49:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:55:51 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r16021 /trunk/src/console_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Offset current console output by (width of "] ")+5 pixels instead of 5+5 pixels. 18:57:43 <petern> there, console works properly with huge fonts ;) 18:58:02 <petern> well 18:58:06 <petern> sensible-size huge fonts 18:58:20 <petern> it flickers if it's too large 18:58:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 19:01:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@x14r4b.wh4.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:06:27 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 19:14:35 *** Trainjumper [~Trainjump@d019092.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:50 <Trainjumper> hello 19:15:17 <Trainjumper> anybody here who can help on openttd with the error message: 19:16:03 <Trainjumper> "train can not be build. To much vehicles in the game ..." 19:16:20 <Trainjumper> oder spricht hier jemand deutsch? 19:16:27 <TrueBrain> lets break down the message ... 19:16:32 <TrueBrain> you can't build any more trains 19:16:37 <TrueBrain> as ... there are too many vehicles in the game 19:16:50 <Trainjumper> yes. that's the message 19:16:59 <Trainjumper> I've that also had before 19:17:17 <TrueBrain> getting that with 0.7.0 is a nice archievement btw 19:17:27 <Trainjumper> but after a change in the patch settings it was possible to go on ... 19:17:44 <EoD> how much trains to you have? 19:17:47 <EoD> *do 19:18:02 <TrueBrain> but Trainjumper, what now is your question in this? 19:18:20 <Trainjumper> I have 2950 trains 19:18:28 <Trainjumper> my question? 19:18:39 <Trainjumper> how can I build more trains? 19:18:45 <TrueBrain> sell some :) 19:18:47 <EoD> what's the maximum of trains you are allowed to build at your server? 19:18:57 <Trainjumper> 5000 19:19:03 <TrueBrain> @calc 32000 / 2950 19:19:03 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 10.8474576271 19:19:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C815.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:10 <TrueBrain> I guess your trains are 11 long ;) 19:19:34 <Trainjumper> it's different 19:19:46 <Trainjumper> some trains have 60 parts 19:19:57 <EoD> :-o 19:21:13 <Trainjumper> what's about 32000? 19:21:15 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0168a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:21:38 <TrueBrain> @calc pow(2, 9) 19:21:39 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 512 19:22:03 <TrueBrain> @calc 64000 / 2950 19:22:03 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 21.6949152542 19:22:08 <TrueBrain> average length of 22 even :) 19:22:09 <TrueBrain> how nice ;) 19:22:26 <Trainjumper> yes 19:22:31 <Trainjumper> that might well be 19:22:31 <petern> solution: start a new game 19:22:41 <Trainjumper> average length about 22 19:22:41 <TrueBrain> Trainjumper: the game is limited to a maximum of 64000 'vehicles' (where an airplane has several vehicles, and each wagon is a vehicle .. so are several disasters) 19:22:47 <TrueBrain> you reached that limit 19:23:19 <EoD> Gratulation Trainjumper :) 19:23:27 <petern> i remember the days when that limit was possible, but it wasn't saved properly. or something like that. 19:23:37 <Ammler> [21:18] <Trainjumper> I have 2950 trains <-- woot, concratulation for that awesome pc 19:23:53 <Trainjumper> yes 19:24:08 <Trainjumper> the simulation is still running 19:24:08 <TrueBrain> petern: I remember the day the limit was even smaller .. and things were a static array :p 19:24:27 <Ammler> do you have save available from? 19:24:29 <TrueBrain> I also remember I suggested dynamic arrays and got flamed ... but then I also remember that I did make dynamic arrays, and it got accepted .. so .. :p 19:24:54 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:24:57 <petern> yup 19:25:07 <SpComb> Trainjumper: running... but very slowly? :P 19:25:22 <Trainjumper> It's quite ok 19:25:26 <TrueBrain> and I also remember .. I said no sane person would ever reach 32000 (which it was back than) in a SP 19:25:35 <TrueBrain> I guess it can down the books as a Bill Gates comment :p 19:25:47 <TrueBrain> with the note that I really did say it :p (Bill Gates never did) 19:25:58 <Trainjumper> :) 19:26:00 <Ammler> never saw a save with 3k running trains 19:26:45 <Wolf01> you should put it on bananas, so everybody can see your work 19:26:46 <TrueBrain> never saw anyone with enough time to create it :p 19:27:02 <Trainjumper> on bananas? 19:27:06 * EoD is also interested in the savegame... 19:27:07 <Trainjumper> where is that? 19:27:09 <TrueBrain> apples are also fine 19:27:13 <SpComb> maybe with judicious use of cloning trains 19:27:39 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: BaNaNaS is not for savegames ;) 19:27:46 <TrueBrain> the forums is a better place for that :) 19:27:47 <EoD> Trainjumper: http://bananas.openttd.org/ 19:27:53 <Wolf01> just rename it to scn 19:27:55 <Wolf01> XD 19:27:55 <petern> it would need to be BaNaNaSaS for that 19:28:03 <TrueBrain> petern: we considered it :p 19:28:07 <Ammler> I would expect some "depot buffers". 19:28:09 <TrueBrain> you forget the H 19:29:00 *** flipped [~flipped@c-76-29-241-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:33 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 19:30:50 <Trainjumper> how to upload to BaNaNaS? 19:31:05 <TrueBrain> Trainjumper: don't bother; upload to the forums 19:31:21 <Trainjumper> Ok. I'll try that 19:32:50 <SpComb> BaNaNas needs to grow some kind of heightmap/scenario preview 19:32:56 <TrueBrain> draft it 19:33:04 <TrueBrain> (design and upload wise) 19:34:29 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:33 <glx> <Wolf01> just rename it to scn <-- will remove vehicles 19:40:46 <Ammler> glx: new feature? 19:40:49 <Wolf01> only if you open it with the editor 19:41:03 <glx> Ammler: not new 19:41:16 <glx> scenario editor removes companies 19:41:26 <Wolf01> or start a new game with it as scenario 19:41:41 <Ammler> we used scenario editor for wwottdgd 19:41:50 <EoD> bye everyone 19:41:54 <Ammler> hmm, maybe that was patched too 19:41:55 <Wolf01> bye 19:42:15 <TinoDidriksen> Been possible to open saved games as scenarios since original TTDX. 19:42:26 *** EoD [~EoD@cl-3128.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032608]] 19:42:37 <TrueBrain> nobody claimed that wasn't possible :) 19:43:17 <TinoDidriksen> Just cementing it isn't a new feature. 19:44:30 <Ammler> new bug ;-) 19:45:56 <TrueBrain> tempting 19:45:59 <TrueBrain> shall I do it? 19:46:00 <TrueBrain> hmm ... 19:46:03 <TrueBrain> who votes yes? 19:46:12 <TinoDidriksen> On? 19:46:16 <Rubidium> do what? 19:46:30 <TrueBrain> bah, no fun like this 19:46:36 <TrueBrain> well, nevermind then 19:48:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.28] has joined #openttd 19:51:00 <TrueBrain> pompiedom 19:52:10 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:54:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.180.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:54 <Wolf01> you shall not pass! 19:56:02 <Wolf01> ...erm sorry, wrong bridge 19:56:23 <Wolf01> *window O_O 20:00:54 <Trainjumper> truebrain: There seems to be a problem with the upload 20:01:15 <TrueBrain> on the forums? 20:01:21 <Trainjumper> yes 20:01:27 <TrueBrain> can't help you there 20:01:35 <Trainjumper> ok 20:01:36 <TrueBrain> tt-forums is not managed by us :) 20:01:41 <Wolf01> te attachment size is 3mb 20:01:43 <Wolf01> *the 20:01:51 <Trainjumper> ok 20:02:01 <Trainjumper> the file is 10 MB 20:02:09 <Trainjumper> seeM's to be to much 20:02:09 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: I've been climbing on Skaro. 20:04:07 <Sacro> ? 20:04:09 <Sacro> oh 20:04:16 <Trainjumper> wow. not possible to compress the game save ... 20:04:33 <Sacro> Trainjumper: you cannot compress that which is already compressed 20:04:35 <frosch123> it is already compressed :p 20:11:10 <Trainjumper> great 20:11:51 <glx> 2048² ? 20:12:00 <Trainjumper> 2048*2048 20:12:21 <Trainjumper> I'm just uploading it to bananas 20:12:40 <glx> and you say it runs fine with 2950 trains? 20:12:54 <Trainjumper> yes 20:13:04 <Trainjumper> it's working 20:13:10 <Trainjumper> sometimes a little slow 20:14:59 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:04 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 20:17:45 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [] 20:19:02 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16022 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_func.h network_udp.cpp network_udp.h): 20:19:02 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15159): sometimes the unregister "query" thread could be delayed so much 20:19:02 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: that the network stuff was already closed and the packet would never reach the 20:19:02 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: master server causing the server to appear online longer than necessary. 20:20:48 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16023 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Fix (r15615) [FS#2817]: 32 bpp sprites in tars would also be shown in the list of heightmaps. 20:23:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:31:49 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:37:19 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16024 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: harden string copying on places where it's possible 20:38:50 <petern> stop it 20:38:56 <petern> i just finished compiling :( 20:38:59 <TrueBrain> HAHA :) 20:39:05 <TrueBrain> I thought you had such a speedy computer :p 20:39:06 <jonty-comp> pfft 20:39:22 <[wito]> Train signals on road/rail crossings? 20:39:24 <Rubidium> yeah and jonty-comp should stop changing his IP ;) 20:39:31 <jonty-comp> Rubidium: I only changed it once! 20:39:36 <jonty-comp> and it only changed from :1 to :2! 20:39:38 <TrueBrain> one too many! 20:39:46 <jonty-comp> why, did it break something? :D 20:40:00 <TrueBrain> it broke the whole internet 20:40:02 <jonty-comp> well, openttd should use dns then. :P 20:40:03 <Rubidium> and you loaded an old game :( 20:40:03 <TrueBrain> it took hours to get it back! 20:40:09 <jonty-comp> did I? 20:40:10 <jonty-comp> hmm 20:40:15 <jonty-comp> I must've forgotten to save it 20:40:16 <jonty-comp> :( 20:40:16 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: you can bind to dns names 20:40:24 * jonty-comp isn't so good at this whole server admin stuff 20:40:24 <petern> TrueBrain, yeah, my pc's in bits though :( 20:40:31 <petern> TrueBrain, so i'm back on the shitty laptop 20:40:32 <TrueBrain> petern: what happened? 20:40:45 <petern> sound connector on the motherboard broke, heh 20:40:52 <TrueBrain> who needs sounds anyway :p 20:41:09 * petern points at the midi keyboard next to him 20:41:20 <petern> hmm 20:41:21 * Sacro has a live 5.1 here 20:41:23 <Sacro> free to good home 20:41:25 <jonty-comp> there, I updated it to the latest revision 20:41:31 <petern> if the screen is too small, the intro menu doesn't show 20:41:46 <TrueBrain> don't make the screen too small :p 20:42:01 <TrueBrain> solutions are always so easy .... 20:42:08 <Rubidium> ofcourse you can't see it on a 0 by 0 screen 20:42:11 <jonty-comp> that is one small screen 20:42:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D689.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:42:51 <petern> too small being 840x350 20:42:52 <Prof_Frink> Depends. If that's 0x0ly, accurate to 0dp it could be rather large. 20:43:04 <petern> which isn't actually that small 20:43:15 <petern> ahn 20:43:26 <petern> it's because it assumes the window it opened is the size it asked for 20:44:01 <TrueBrain> so fix it! 20:44:04 <petern> hmm 20:44:13 <petern> it's probably SDL being crap 20:44:26 <petern> because it returns width and height after te SetVideoMode call 20:45:26 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@50C5925F.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:46:24 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.217.226] has joined #openttd 20:46:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:42 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:05 <glx> makedepend is really stupid 20:49:15 <TrueBrain> how come? 20:49:35 <Sacro> glx doesn't understand it 20:49:39 <Sacro> therefore it must be stupid :p 20:49:42 <TrueBrain> nobody does :p 20:49:44 <glx> sometimes .h change and doesn't trigger a recompile 20:49:47 <TrueBrain> but it is better than a gcc round ;) 20:49:59 <glx> and then fails to link 20:50:01 <jonty-comp> hmm, so my server is listening on both now apparently 20:50:02 <TrueBrain> glx: max-files? 20:50:18 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm6.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:20 <glx> TrueBrain: max file crashes makedepend ;) 20:50:30 <TrueBrain> glx: so make an alternative makedepend :) 20:50:39 <TrueBrain> it would be more than happy ... in the general GNU community :p 20:51:13 <glx> but the worse thing is on one repo it worked correctly 20:51:46 <frosch123> TrueBrain: makedepend keeps failing regulary on ottd code for a few weeks. everyone would be happy if you find the breaking revision, and then the cause :) 20:52:10 <TrueBrain> frosch123: makedepend is broken by design, a known issue 20:52:25 <frosch123> but it worked fine up to a few weeks ago 20:52:32 <TrueBrain> many people requested fixes .. but ... 20:52:39 <TrueBrain> before NoAI? :p 20:52:45 <TrueBrain> as that is the max-file limit :p 20:53:04 <frosch123> no, only since march 20:53:13 <TrueBrain> weird :) 20:53:30 <petern> ah, so it's not just me? :) 20:53:39 <TrueBrain> okay, you got a problem description for me? 20:54:36 <jonty-comp> aha, I have to put the [server_bind_addresses] bit now 20:54:39 <frosch123> use clean trunk of a certain revision, up it to another revision, compile it, and get observe linking to fail because of missing symbols, which is then fixable by make clean 20:54:55 *** KingJ is now known as kingj 20:55:00 <Trainjumper> Truebrain: I uploaded the saved game with 2950 trains to my own server space. you can find it in the forum. good night. 20:55:02 <TrueBrain> so you mean that certain .cpp files don't get recompiled? 20:55:28 <petern> i'd say "some" rather than certain 20:55:39 <petern> dunno if it's a specific set of files, heh 20:55:46 <TrueBrain> got 2 revisions between that happens? 20:56:20 <glx> happened for r16022 20:56:24 <TrueBrain> from? 20:56:29 <TrueBrain> (which is kind of important ;) 20:56:30 *** Trainjumper [~Trainjump@d019092.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 20:56:40 <jonty-comp> or something like that 20:56:48 * jonty-comp shall work it out in the morning 20:57:21 <glx> hmm from r16020 or r16021 20:57:54 <glx> anyway the problem is nested includes ;) 20:57:59 <TrueBrain> you remember the symbol error? 20:58:11 <glx> NetworkDisconnect 20:58:20 *** Powerek38 [~chatzilla@static-62-233-206-85.devs.futuro.pl] has joined #openttd 20:58:24 <TrueBrain> to be expected 20:58:27 <glx> but I forgot in which cpp it was 20:58:36 <TrueBrain> I know, no problem :) 20:59:04 <glx> our code is full of indirect includes 20:59:17 <Powerek38> hi! is there any way of using the heightmap as a game map without creating a scenario? 20:59:18 <TrueBrain> should never be a problem 20:59:29 <glx> for makedepend it is 20:59:54 <glx> because it assumes many things 20:59:58 * jonty-comp idly wonders if bananas ingame uses ipv6 21:00:04 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: it does 21:00:07 <jonty-comp> yay 21:00:23 <frosch123> Powerek38: "play heightmap" in main menu? 21:00:44 <Powerek38> frosch123: silly me :) 21:00:51 <glx> frosch123: nah too easy ;) 21:01:01 *** Powerek38 [~chatzilla@static-62-233-206-85.devs.futuro.pl] has quit [] 21:01:50 * petern removes jonty-comp's ipv4 connectivity 21:01:58 <TrueBrain> k, here makedepend does its job perfectly 21:02:33 *** THUNDERHORSE [THUNDERHOR@88.216.121.1] has quit [] 21:03:38 <TrueBrain> but I doubt I run a vanilla makedepend :) 21:04:07 <glx> my makedepend is a custom build too ;) 21:04:12 <TrueBrain> vanilla makedepend indeed runs into max-files limit 21:04:29 <glx> stupid hardcoded limit 21:04:29 <TrueBrain> you can detect that by running 'make depend' 21:04:33 <TrueBrain> it should NOT error out with error code 1 21:04:37 <TrueBrain> (which is normally ignored) 21:05:11 <TrueBrain> so makedepend hasn't been working for .. well .. what ever revision required more than 1024 open files :) 21:05:22 <TrueBrain> (and yes, makedepend opens ALL files it is indexing) 21:06:14 <TrueBrain> but glx, if you patched that, it should work correctly for you 21:06:16 <TrueBrain> (it does for me) 21:06:46 <glx> sometimes it work, sometimes not (like it worked for 1 repo but failed for the 2 others) 21:07:35 *** Azrael_ [~azraeluk@cpc2-papw2-0-0-cust619.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:00 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@141.114.217.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:37 <frosch123> TrueBrain: there are 338 cpp, 119 hpp and 314 h. How do you sum them up to more than 1024 ? 21:09:07 <glx> system includes 21:09:25 <TrueBrain> frosch123: the design of makedepend is flawed :) 21:09:37 <TrueBrain> you can't make it to stop trying to load your sys-include dir, for one 21:09:43 <TrueBrain> it keeps files open .. nobody understands 21:09:52 <TrueBrain> it managed to open the same file more than once .. 21:10:01 <TrueBrain> and X11 refuses to make an updated version ;) (well .. that is for good reasons :p) 21:10:18 <TrueBrain> but I wonder how hard it can be to script something for the goal of OpenTTD? 21:10:32 <TrueBrain> as we have very simple rules, and most of them are taken care of by Makefile 21:10:41 <glx> it should be doable with awk I think 21:10:54 <frosch123> it is quite easy to grep for '#include' and build a tree. but that would be *nix only solution :) 21:11:08 <TrueBrain> frosch123: for what other system would you like to do it? :p 21:11:14 <TrueBrain> we are talking 'make' only here :) 21:11:33 <TrueBrain> and as far as I know you can make .h files as rules, which depend on other .h files, in 'make' 21:11:45 <glx> and if a system can run our configure it should be able to run our script ;) 21:11:50 <TrueBrain> so .. grep each file for #include, put it in a file like: file.[oh]: include 21:11:55 <TrueBrain> and it should work .. I think ) 21:12:36 <TrueBrain> just a bit agressive method I guess ;) 21:12:53 <TrueBrain> (it ignores #ifdefs and stuff) 21:12:59 <glx> if it's faster than gcc -M it's good I think 21:12:59 <frosch123> http://paste.openttd.org/181669 <- something like that? 21:13:30 <TrueBrain> frosch123: minor problem: .cpp files are located in an other dir as .o files 21:13:32 <TrueBrain> on which you should depend 21:13:38 <TrueBrain> it is them you want to rebuild, not the .cpp files :p 21:14:09 <frosch123> true :) 21:14:32 <TrueBrain> but yes, I guess that should work just fine ... 21:15:15 <frosch123> but in that case: if one .h is newer than another .h it will continue rebuilding every .o that depends on the older one 21:15:25 <frosch123> so we cannot create rules for the .h 21:15:38 <TrueBrain> sorry, I don't follow :p 21:17:11 <frosch123> a.cpp includes b.h, b.h includes c.h. c.h is newer than b.h. If we tell the makefile that b.h depends on c.h, and a.cpp depends on a.h, it will detect that c.h is newer than b.h, and then updates b.h (which does nothing) and then a.o 21:17:30 <TrueBrain> yes, exactly what you want .. 21:17:52 <frosch123> well, but it will also do that if you run make again 21:18:00 <TrueBrain> why? 21:18:11 <frosch123> because c.h is still newer than b.h 21:18:22 <TrueBrain> it doesn't change the time for such rules? 21:18:23 <TrueBrain> sucks ... 21:18:42 <TrueBrain> so .. either a @touch would work 21:18:44 <TrueBrain> but might be a bit nasty 21:18:47 <TrueBrain> you can also make a nice sed 21:18:55 <TrueBrain> which replaces all .h files with the set they depend on 21:19:00 <TrueBrain> run that N times over the list, and you are done ;) 21:19:02 <frosch123> no, @touch does not work either, because we have circular dependencies 21:19:03 <TrueBrain> (SLOW!) 21:19:18 <TrueBrain> euh .. circular deps can't be handled in general, can they? :) 21:19:31 <TrueBrain> (by make, that is) 21:19:33 <frosch123> we have to resolve the dependencies, so a.o depends on b.h and c.h 21:19:38 <TrueBrain> I believe it bails immedaitly :p 21:19:50 <TrueBrain> what I say: make for each .h a 'sed' 21:20:06 <TrueBrain> like: s/oldpool_func.h/oldpool_func.h oldpool.h/ 21:20:23 <TrueBrain> but that only works one deep ;) 21:20:34 <SpComb> a directory called oldpool.h? 21:20:44 <TrueBrain> s/oldpool_func.h/oldpool_func@h oldpool.h/g 21:20:50 <TrueBrain> yes, SpComb, we talk about directories here 21:20:56 <TrueBrain> then you can run it 100 times 21:21:00 <TrueBrain> then s/@/./g 21:21:01 <TrueBrain> nasty :p 21:21:36 <TrueBrain> an other still valid solution is to put Makefile.dep in SVN, and make a precommit which checks if it is up-to-date 21:21:49 <TrueBrain> but I never liked that solution :) 21:22:01 <Rubidium> another one is writing your own makedep, like strgen ;) 21:22:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you voluentering? :) 21:22:18 <frosch123> didn't we just discussed that? 21:22:30 <Rubidium> na, TB was talking about scripting 21:22:32 <TrueBrain> but I guess frosch123 practicly already did that ;) 21:22:40 <SpComb> gcc -M 21:22:43 <frosch123> no, I did that last weekend :p 21:23:15 <TrueBrain> SpComb: run --without-makedepend and enjoy 21:23:27 <TrueBrain> frosch123: so update your script ;) :p 21:24:06 <TrueBrain> but okay, a small app would work better, as it keeps track of #ifdefs 21:24:10 <TrueBrain> which can be important ;) 21:24:26 <frosch123> when are they important? 21:24:38 <TrueBrain> -DWITH_ZLIB 21:24:43 <glx> usually they are for system includes 21:24:44 <TrueBrain> -DENABLE_NETWORK 21:24:50 <TrueBrain> just to name 2 21:25:14 <frosch123> so it might rebuild some files more than needed, but only once. where is the problem? 21:25:25 <TrueBrain> never said there was a problem 21:25:30 <TrueBrain> just concluded a small app would be better 21:26:04 <frosch123> and if you take care of #ifdef, where is the difference to --without-makedepend ? 21:26:14 <TrueBrain> --without-makedepend uses gcc 21:26:20 <TrueBrain> so .. want to talk about the difference? :) 21:26:21 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 21:26:30 <TrueBrain> 'makedepend' does take #ifdefs into account 21:26:30 <Rubidium> gcc resolves it for each .cpp individually 21:26:49 <Rubidium> a single app can cache 21:26:56 <TrueBrain> so I think the small app would be .. 10 times faster than gcc would be :p 21:27:44 <TrueBrain> gcc even does preprocessing :s 21:27:46 <glx> hmm I can try to write a little app 21:27:50 <frosch123> ok, so you write the 'small' app, and I write the script, and then we let them compete? 21:27:53 <Rubidium> http://mitgcm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/MITgcm/tools/cyrus-imapd-makedepend/ ;) 21:27:58 <glx> should be a fun thing to do 21:28:01 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I thought you were going to do both :p 21:28:25 <frosch123> I won't write a 'small' app, because I doubt it would be 'small' 21:28:34 <TrueBrain> frosch123: either way, I hope you realise your script would be 'less' than such app :) 21:28:38 <TrueBrain> frosch123: 'makedepend' is very small :) 21:28:52 <TrueBrain> it just has design flaws ... and no upstream maintainers :) 21:29:14 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: looks like a X11 makedepend clone 21:29:56 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 21:30:00 <TrueBrain> same naming of files :p 21:30:16 <Rubidium> look at the commit message of some of the files 21:30:27 <Rubidium> sounds like it isn't the "real" makedepend 21:30:38 <TrueBrain> "rename getline -> getppline to avoid conflict with stdio.h in gcc 4.4" 21:30:39 <TrueBrain> :p 21:30:51 <TrueBrain> " 21:30:53 <TrueBrain> o increase MAXFILES to 8192 so that we don't fail for some of the 21:30:54 <TrueBrain> verification tests on "slough.mit.edu" 21:30:56 <TrueBrain> " 21:31:06 <TrueBrain> so it only patches the problems 21:31:09 <TrueBrain> rather than fixing them :) 21:31:15 <frosch123> "initial checkin" could also mean checking in the unmodified makedepend and planning to improve it 21:31:28 <TrueBrain> it looks like that is the case ;) 21:31:54 <TrueBrain> either way, the solution for OpenTTD should be plain easy, as we don't care about system includes 21:32:30 <TrueBrain> a small app would be more perfect (less recompiling), but a script would be more than sufficient enough too 21:32:59 <TrueBrain> well .. 'script' is a bit vague, an 'awk' script can be the 'small app' too :p :p 21:33:30 * frosch123 only knows 'sed' 21:33:51 <TrueBrain> awk is sed++ :p 21:33:52 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 21:34:00 <frosch123> that I know :) 21:34:02 <Rubidium> I'd say that C is easier to make portable than awk with it's many implementations 21:34:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you are most likely right :) 21:34:33 <TrueBrain> and it most likely would be faster :) 21:34:50 <frosch123> well, maybe it is indeed easier to resolve the dependency tree in C 21:35:14 <Rubidium> you could cheat quite a bit though 21:35:29 <Rubidium> like assuming the file names are unique (it has to be for MSVC) 21:35:47 <TrueBrain> assuming nothing depends on .cpp files 21:36:11 <TrueBrain> I see glx hard typing his keyboard now :p 21:36:11 <Rubidium> assert on #include xyz.cpp ;) 21:37:10 <TrueBrain> either way, the conclusion is clear: OpenTTD got too big :p 21:37:17 <petern> yeah 21:37:23 <petern> some idiot wrote a new ai system 21:37:28 <TrueBrain> I hate that guy 21:37:30 <petern> yeah 21:37:31 <TrueBrain> it ruins the game! 21:37:44 <TrueBrain> petern: wrong answer, you should say: no, it is great!!! 21:37:45 <TrueBrain> sigh .... 21:37:48 * TrueBrain goes sit in a corner 21:37:52 <petern> and the AIs don't leave me alone 21:37:55 <petern> they compete 21:37:57 <petern> it's terrible 21:38:02 <petern> </sirkoz> 21:38:06 <TrueBrain> :) 21:38:25 <TrueBrain> but yeah, NoAI is a big compiler-hit :p 21:38:34 <TrueBrain> SmatZ can tell us how big :p 21:38:45 <petern> smatz can tell us exactly how long it takes to compile 21:38:55 <TrueBrain> and all this 'splitting files' is not helping either 21:39:00 <TrueBrain> why not just all.cpp 21:39:03 <TrueBrain> much easier! 21:39:06 <TrueBrain> no deps ... 21:39:10 <petern> hehe 21:39:19 * TrueBrain starts to do: cat * > all.cpp 21:39:21 <TrueBrain> :p 21:39:37 <petern> you'd get better optimisation too :p 21:39:56 <TrueBrain> recompile-after-commit gets a whole new meaning ... 21:40:09 <TrueBrain> -after-change even .. 21:40:33 <Rubidium> that'll kill the OSX port ;) 21:40:43 <TrueBrain> I think it will kill more than just the port 21:44:07 <petern> night 21:44:11 <TrueBrain> sleep well petern 21:59:08 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@50C5925F.flatrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:47 *** Ant_LV [Ant_LV@87.110.118.221] has quit [] 22:09:51 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 22:11:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:26 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:38:15 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.27.220] has joined #openttd 22:47:31 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16025 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp station_gui.cpp station_type.h): -Fix [FS#2818]: "build separate station" in the station picker would reuse deleted stations. 23:01:29 *** nicfer [~ADM@201.255.73.7] has joined #openttd 23:10:50 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.242.86] has joined #openttd 23:11:29 <draconnier> ping? 23:12:13 <frosch123> several seconds, you have a bad connection :p 23:12:24 <draconnier> i wonder why 23:15:07 <Wolf01> 'night 23:15:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:16:16 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.242.86] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:54 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 23:20:56 <draconnier> re 23:34:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:39:27 *** stuffcor1se [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 23:41:05 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:31 *** nicfer [~ADM@201.255.73.7] has left #openttd []