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(had no breakfast at home, so had to wait untill the food store opened at 10 AM) 10:48:07 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has joined #openttd 10:49:24 <Rubidium> Zuu: what a luxury ;) 10:50:11 <EoD> hi 10:50:27 <Zuu> Rubidium: hehe, yea food that is overrated :) 10:51:30 <Rubidium> well, more talking about the food store that opens on easter monday 10:57:38 <TrueBrain> Zuu: just enjoyed some lovely eggs :) 11:04:36 <Zuu> Okay, have actually not eaten any eggs this estern. Other than an omelet at thursday last week. :) 11:07:18 <TrueBrain> orudge: you should stop those spam-bots at the forums :p 11:15:51 <jonty-comp> I wish there was a half-decent reCAPTCHA module for phpbb 11:16:11 <jonty-comp> but the only ones I can find are fairly random and dubious looking 11:17:40 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:18:00 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 11:18:17 *** Yeggstry [~mind@elliot-reid-182.124.236.85.event.multiplay.co.uk] has quit [] 11:21:52 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 11:26:49 * petern returns with £105 of tap 11:27:15 <TrueBrain> what did you drink?! :p 11:27:29 <petern> heh 11:27:59 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:29:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.196.215] has joined #openttd 11:29:42 <petern> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3315/3434910411_0c311386bb.jpg?v=0 < old tap 11:30:25 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:31:46 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:24 <petern> http://image.abcaz.co.uk/web/prod/95/56927_160x160.jpg < new tap 11:32:26 <petern> also 11:32:46 <petern> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3613/3435714194_0d36599219.jpg?v=0 < hole of old sink 11:33:12 <petern> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3321/3434912659_ec65337d3e.jpg?v=0 < hole for new sink 11:33:50 <yorick> we have that tap too 11:35:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8ddf.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 11:48:37 *** glx [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3d5d:31a7:6bd6:59bb] has joined #openttd 11:48:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:51:04 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:52:06 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:50 <petern> you do? 11:53:55 <petern> shit, i better exchange it 12:00:41 <petern> it's somewhat annoying that you can't reference two CNAMEs for one hostname :/ 12:01:15 <TrueBrain> the idea of CNAME was round-robin .. ;) 12:01:29 <TrueBrain> (although I doubt anyone uses that method ... mostly because Windows fucked up that implementation :p) 12:01:45 <petern> i use it :p 12:02:11 <petern> windows tends to pick one and use it, but otherwise it's okay 12:02:16 <TrueBrain> Windows never falls back to the other entry ... 12:02:22 <TrueBrain> which makes the idea of round-robing kind of .. useless ;) 12:02:24 <petern> for mx servers, windows doesn't make much difference 12:02:47 <TrueBrain> but of course Windows had to fuck up .. else it wouldn't be Windows I guess :) 12:03:06 <petern> but i can't do: mx1=1.1.1.1, mx2=2.2.2.2, mx=cname mx1, mx=cname mx2 12:03:29 <petern> (not that i'd want to with MX, because RR is built into the MX system 12:03:31 <petern> ) 12:03:54 <TrueBrain> RR .. more a fallback system :p 12:03:55 <petern> TrueBrain, yes, there is, somewhere, a recommendation to use the 'nearest' IP address 12:04:14 <petern> which fails in the real world 12:04:34 <petern> because you can't tell from an IP address whether it is near or not, heh 12:04:43 <petern> (sure, if it's in the same subnet...) 12:04:44 <TrueBrain> abs(ip1 - ip2) :p 12:05:11 <petern> in fact 12:05:19 <petern> that may be the cause of window's fuckedupness 12:05:25 <petern> i seem to remember someone made linux do it 12:05:34 <petern> and people were going "wtf is this?" 12:05:52 <petern> of course 12:05:58 <TrueBrain> it wouldn't suprise me at all if Windows did it like that :p 12:06:24 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:10:11 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:48 *** zorgulo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:37 <Zuu> lol, told a player to set a company PW on a server to secure his company, and then he just left.. :p 12:16:45 <Zuu> Though it seams like he did not do his math. initial loan is 100k, but there are no aircrafts he could afford after building two city airports. 12:18:09 <EoD> ^^ 12:18:31 <yorick> are you sure he isn't just a spambot? 12:19:01 <Zuu> Then its a good spambot as it managed to build two airports :) 12:19:20 <yorick> I can make a spambot that manages to build two airports... 12:19:44 <yorick> just try enough times and when out of money, leave 12:19:51 <yorick> there there, you have your spamports 12:35:12 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has joined #openttd 12:44:00 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 12:49:10 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@murrayjm8.umeres.maine.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:55:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:56:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:57:12 <Aali> sweet mother of spambots 13:00:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:00:31 <Wolf01> yo! there's a spambot in da forum 13:01:31 * yorick should not say spambot in this channel 13:02:26 <Wolf01> it already made 110 topics 13:02:39 <TrueBrain> orudge!!!! :p 13:02:58 <Wolf01> rudgeo!!! 13:03:40 <Alberth> he seems goal oriented :) 13:04:01 <yorick> 117 13:04:24 <yorick> ooh, google doc as website 13:04:51 <yorick> offtopic is quite filled 13:05:49 <yorick> "Austria", "26", "Law", "Performing arts" 13:05:53 <yorick> it shouldn't know 13:05:56 <yorick> art of spamming... 13:05:56 <petern> hm 13:06:45 <yorick> icq.. 13:08:18 <TrueBrain> @kick yorick go away spam bot 13:08:18 *** yorick was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [go away spam bot] 13:08:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:12:59 *** LUADuck [~LUADuck@79-72-203-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:13:11 <LUADuck> Hey guess who's back at long notice 13:13:27 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 13:13:58 <TrueBrain> euuhhh 13:14:00 <TrueBrain> I have no idea 13:14:12 <LUADuck> more a quick question - I've got a co-op game that's had the company passworded (and we don't know the password) - anything I can do to remove it without dissolving the company? 13:16:01 <yorick> autoclean 13:16:08 <yorick> or move into it 13:16:15 <LUADuck> with what RCON command 13:16:23 <yorick> rcon pw "move clientid companyid" 13:16:26 <LUADuck> ok 13:16:31 <LUADuck> TO PUTTY 13:16:39 <blathijs> Hmm, does 0.7.0 no longer include any of the old AIs? 13:16:53 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@78.52.184.7] has joined #openttd 13:16:55 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:16:57 <SmatZ> blathijs: yes 13:16:58 <petern> nope 13:17:04 <petern> heh 13:17:05 <TrueBrain> blathijs: NoAI replaced them ;) 13:17:07 <Rubidium> I suggest reading the changelog ;) 13:17:07 <petern> yes it doesn't :D 13:17:10 <SmatZ> :o) 13:17:24 <TrueBrain> 1 question, 4 replies 13:17:26 <TrueBrain> how cool 13:17:47 <Rubidium> but you all gave him fish, I learned him how to fish ;) 13:17:52 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has joined #openttd 13:17:59 <TrueBrain> "altijd baas boven baas" 13:18:08 <petern> sshd[31170]: error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Permission denied 13:18:10 <petern> :o 13:18:17 <TrueBrain> lol @ petern :) 13:18:26 <SmatZ> hehe 13:18:28 <blathijs> So, any old games with AIs you load will probably be messed up (or is there any AI that will deal will with the crap the old AI built gracefully?) 13:18:36 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:18:44 <yorick> "sell the man a fish, and he'll eat for one day, teach the man how to fish, and you threw a great money making chance away" 13:18:45 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I don't think there is one, no :) 13:18:48 <petern> TrueBrain, in my vserver :s 13:18:54 <blathijs> petern: I see that stuff on my server as well, seems it's caused by vserver somehow 13:18:57 <TrueBrain> petern: yeah, I was about to say that .. vserver, not? :p 13:18:59 <TrueBrain> 2.2 kernel? 13:19:08 <petern> 2.2? 13:19:14 <TrueBrain> you had lenny, not? 13:19:15 <TrueBrain> so 2.3 .. 13:19:19 <TrueBrain> I thought they fixed that :p 13:19:19 <petern> yes, lenny 13:19:20 <petern> so 2.6.26 13:19:31 <blathijs> TrueBrain: You mean vserver-2.2 I guess :-) 13:19:40 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Not linux-2.2 13:19:41 <petern> although i haven't rebooted to debian 5.0.1 yet 13:19:43 <TrueBrain> blathijs: yes, of course, we were talking about vserver, not? :) 13:19:49 <petern> "2.2 kernel" :p 13:20:28 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Is there any AI I could recommend in my NEWS.Debian file? 13:20:54 <petern> hmm, i need... PTFE tape, 2 gender benders, a rose and some sealant 13:21:01 <TrueBrain> blathijs: ask Yexo .. or Rubidium .. :p 13:21:12 <EoD> NoCab e.g.? 13:21:26 <Rubidium> one that doesn't have a broken saveload 13:21:28 <glx> blathijs: let the user add what he wants from content download 13:21:43 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.210] has joined #openttd 13:21:46 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.98.210] has quit [] 13:21:52 <blathijs> glx: Obviously, but if there was one "preferred 13:22:02 <blathijs> glx: Obviously, but if there was one "preferred" or "standard" AI, I could mention that 13:22:15 <blathijs> Or one maintained by the openttd team perhaps 13:22:35 <blathijs> Rubidium: A lot of them are broken when saving? 13:22:51 <glx> most of them don't save 13:23:15 <petern> so they don't know what they were doing when they reload? 13:23:34 <SmatZ> hmm... I was rewriting some code... and it wasn't working the same way as the old code did - now I finally found there was a bug in the old code :-P 13:23:41 <petern> hehe 13:24:12 <LUADuck> Is there any way to stop these bloody "queried from blah.blah.blah.blah" messages? 13:24:25 <petern> debug_level net=1 13:24:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179087240.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:27 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:24:35 <Rubidium> IIRC there is one that reads the information from the map and continues there. I'd say that that is the best one for 'recovering' the old AI mess 13:25:03 <Rubidium> the ones that save stuff (and load that) usually don't check for stuff that is already build (but not by them) 13:25:08 <blathijs> glx: But they don't mention that in the description, I think... 13:25:29 <blathijs> Rubidium: Any clue on which one that is? 13:26:17 <Rubidium> blathijs: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=779267#p779267 13:26:42 <blathijs> Thanks 13:28:37 <petern> pah 13:28:44 <petern> they should all use information from the map ;) 13:28:54 <petern> i don't get to save what i was doing... heheh 13:29:18 <Rubidium> you're free to place signs ;) 13:29:28 <petern> so are they :D 13:29:54 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0119e.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:30:46 <blathijs> Heh, AIs that just drive cars around town. Brilliant :-) 13:31:04 <petern> there's a grf for town cars too, i believe 13:31:20 <petern> gives them no running cost or some such 13:31:24 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 13:32:31 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [] 13:33:00 <LUADuck> Any way to increase the limit on "dropping due to no responce in 3 game days" 13:33:27 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has joined #openttd 13:33:27 <blathijs> Can opengfx already completely replace the original graphics? 13:33:41 <petern> no 13:33:42 <Rubidium> if you like black buildings/trains, then yes 13:33:45 <Rubidium> otherwise no 13:33:53 <frosch123> and you need a empty sample.cat 13:34:09 <blathijs> Since I still can't start openttd withoug sample.cat and the grfs, so I can't access the download service to download opengfx when I don't have the originals... 13:34:25 <petern> indeed 13:34:46 <LUADuck> Yeah everyone's getting dropped due to no responce 13:34:49 <LUADuck> :/ 13:35:05 <frosch123> 3 gamedays is quite a lot 13:35:29 <LUADuck> I know it is, but is it increasable to allow debugging? 13:35:39 <Rubidium> the major reason not to 'package' OpenGFX and such is because they are not finished 13:36:10 <frosch123> debugging in multiplayer? why? 13:36:28 <Rubidium> when they are finished (and thus relatively bug free) there's no reason to make it an installation package or so 13:36:30 * petern wasn't even aware there was a message "dropping due to no responce in 3 game days" 13:36:49 <petern> (i can't find it in the source...) 13:37:00 * LUADuck reminds petern that it's 4 game days, and that LUADuck fails at copy-pasta 13:37:08 <blathijs> Rubidium: Would it be a lot of work to make the main menu work without any base graphics package? 13:37:16 <blathijs> Rubidium: I guess the buttons and window decorations are also in there? 13:37:16 <Rubidium> yes 13:37:26 <petern> i wasn't searching for the number :p 13:37:27 <blathijs> And bitmap fonts? 13:37:32 <Rubidium> that too 13:37:33 <blathijs> Or are we using TT all over? 13:37:54 <Rubidium> we default to the bitmap font 13:38:01 <frosch123> blathijs: easier to write an external tool that can access bananas :) 13:38:10 <Rubidium> frosch123: why? 13:38:29 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/debian/ <- that's basically what you need (for Debian) 13:39:32 <Rubidium> either you install the (unfinished) opengfx graphics or you install the stubs for the original graphics, which you then need to copy from your CD 13:40:22 <blathijs> Where can I enable truetype rendering? 13:40:40 <Rubidium> set a font in the config file 13:40:52 <Rubidium> or use a language whose characters are not in the default font set 13:41:37 <fonsinchen> Has anyone got some experience running gdb in mingw? 13:42:04 <blathijs> Rubidium: Hmm, the diff.gz in that directory is gzip'd twice :-) 13:42:30 <fonsinchen> I'd like to interrupt an openttd running in gdb, but CTRL-C leads to termination of gdb instead. 13:43:44 <blathijs> Rubidium: What font does it default to in the latter case then? 13:44:18 <Rubidium> the font that fontconfig thinks is the best for the given iso language code (en_GB/en_US/nl_NL/nl_BE/etc) 13:44:35 <Rubidium> and that language code is stored in the language file 13:45:49 <Rubidium> that ofcourse requires the binary to be built with fontconfig and freetype 13:46:22 <Rubidium> and good luck with making lintian and friends shut up about the generated .debs ;) 13:47:28 <Rubidium> which is due to the fact that icu-config does not allow us to chose a specific sub library and just tells us to link to *all* icu libraries 13:47:42 <Rubidium> see http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16043/logs/debian-lenny-amd64-error.log for the warnings 13:48:52 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, fontconfig can do the guessing :-) 13:50:23 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009040606]] 13:54:19 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:7c34:727f:34f4:4bfa] has joined #openttd 14:04:22 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16052 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Applying VehicleRefitWidgets in RefitWindow, fixed widget number comment in _vehicle_refit_widgets 14:07:15 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:07:52 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:06 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:52 <LUADuck> Is there anyway to restrict MagLev in a game? 14:10:04 <LUADuck> or does that need a source edit 14:10:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16053 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Added nested widgets to vehicle refit and vehicle details windows. 14:10:37 <yorick> LUADuck: how do you mean? 14:10:56 <LUADuck> I need a Monorail-only game 14:11:22 <SmatZ> you can code a simple GRF for that 14:11:41 <SmatZ> or end your game in 2020 :-p 14:11:44 <LUADuck> meh 14:12:40 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:17 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:38 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:22 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:30:16 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 14:31:18 <fonsinchen> How do you debug openttd on windows? There must be someone who has done that ... 14:31:52 <TrueBrain> the same as on any other system: with a debugger 14:32:08 <fonsinchen> gdb has quirks in mingw 14:32:15 <TrueBrain> then use MSVC 14:32:16 <fonsinchen> I can't interrupt openttd 14:32:44 <fonsinchen> Can I debug a mingw-compiled openttd with that? 14:32:57 <TrueBrain> or else you make a msvc compiled binary 14:32:59 <yorick> gdb works here with mingw 14:33:08 <fonsinchen> how do you interrupt? 14:33:35 <yorick> specify breakpoint? 14:34:12 <fonsinchen> I don't know where. I want to wait until it hits the infinite loop, then press a key combo to interrupt it and examine the backtrace 14:34:34 <fonsinchen> An msvc compiled binary won't help with a mingw-specific problem 14:35:16 <fonsinchen> On Linux you can press CTRL-C in gdb to interrupt the program 14:35:26 <fonsinchen> on mingw it interrupts gdb instead 14:35:57 <blathijs> What's the official name for the content downloading stuff? "Content Download Service"? Or Downloading? 14:36:24 <yorick> try "start gdb openttd" 14:36:30 <yorick> instead of "gdb openttd" 14:36:36 <yorick> BaNaNaS 14:38:22 <blathijs> yorick: Which is an acronym for? 14:38:38 <fonsinchen> doesn't help. Now it doesn't catch the CTRL-C at all. 14:38:53 <blathijs> yorick: Ah, found it on bananas.openttd.org 14:38:54 <yorick> Base graphics and Newgrfs and Noais And Scenarios 14:39:04 <TrueBrain> blathijs: or just: content service :) 14:39:09 <yorick> fonsinchen: try doing it inside openttd 14:39:41 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, that works for me :-) 14:40:08 <yorick> tomatoes left to be... 14:40:33 <fonsinchen> nice, like this I should be able to catch it once at least ... 14:40:39 <fonsinchen> thanks 14:46:44 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:48:01 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:45 <jonty-comp> thank you guys for clearing out the ottd forums :3 15:10:07 * TrueBrain finally gets idea for WT3 ... 15:10:08 <TrueBrain> about time :p 15:22:21 <Wolf01> nice, saved a game and now I can't load it -.-''' 15:22:55 <Wolf01> now worked 15:22:57 <Wolf01> bah 15:24:00 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:51 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:39 <yorick> entering of complex characters fails (Chinese, Japanese, CJK), fee FS#2484 <-- LOL 15:40:26 *** orudge` [~orudge@2a01:348:178:0:21b:fcff:fe77:5692] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:00 <glx> it's just yet another OSX only bug 15:44:12 <EoD> Is it possible to add some text to a station name which the player can't change? 15:44:53 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:46:26 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:46:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [] 15:47:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:48:05 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:53 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:04:43 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:31 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:11 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 16:16:27 <yorick> ok, FS#1829 is obsolete :/ 16:17:47 <petern> why ":/" ? 16:18:49 <TrueBrain> [17:44] <EoD> Is it possible to add some text to a station name which the player can't change? <- then what use is it? :p 16:18:53 <yorick> because server-side string messages are no longer supported 16:19:07 <yorick> NETWORK_ACTION_SERVER_MESSAGE no longer supports string 16:22:16 <EoD> TrueBrain: For example a lock sign for "locked" airports 16:22:37 *** TinoDid is now known as TinoDidriksen 16:22:51 <TrueBrain> locked airports? 16:23:47 <EoD> airports which give no landing permissions to aircrafts 16:24:04 <TrueBrain> sounds useless, those airports :p 16:24:17 <Ammler> yorick: petern didn't ask, why obsolete, he asked why skeptical ;-) 16:25:02 <EoD> TrueBrain: that's not the issue ;) 16:26:03 <yorick> it could be fixed, I think 16:29:04 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:29:06 <Aali> wow, another really stupid annoyance in MSVC 16:29:21 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:44 <Aali> ctrl-c with nothing selected still copies one character from the current position 16:29:51 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:14 <Aali> so, if you hit it by accident when pasting something, you've just replaced your clipboard with a single character 16:33:06 <EoD> in visual studio you copy a whole line when you press ctrl+c with nothing selected... 16:33:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:33 <Aali> which version? I just get the character behind the current position :/ 16:34:49 <EoD> 9.0 16:34:56 <EoD> or 2008 16:35:42 <Aali> hmm, maybe I should upgrade 16:36:18 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 16:37:55 <Aali> I keep putting it off since I don't do much windows deving 16:38:05 *** snorre_ [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:31 *** combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:29 *** Guest332 [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 16:58:22 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:58:51 <EoD> Aali: Actually i don't recommend windows deving :) 16:59:45 <Aali> it's a real pain in the ass, but sometimes I have no other choice 17:00:19 <Aali> that or all the other choices are much worse :P 17:00:41 <yorick> when making a new gui, would I need to do old-style widget defs? 17:09:11 <Wolf01> bye 17:09:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host94-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 17:13:51 <petern> no 17:14:19 <yorick> :) 17:18:01 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-123-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:31 <Zuu> The first coordinate in info-window is it the X or Y coordinate? 17:19:33 *** Swebonny [5ae6453b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:55 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: glx * r16054 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix: non advanced vehicle list didn't handle company switching correctly 17:20:07 <Swebonny> Hello guys, one question here. Is it possible to change the amount of money trough console? 17:20:25 <yorick> no. 17:20:37 <Swebonny> Ah ok 17:20:53 <Swebonny> Was a idiot that joined and spent them all on terraforming :/ 17:21:20 <glx> password ;) 17:22:23 <Swebonny> Heh, it was supposed to be a server for the members of Facepunch forum, but seems like there are idiots there too. 17:22:31 <Zuu> Hmm, why does the shade move sideways of aircrafts when they land.. just to make it harder to figure out the holding rect? 17:22:38 <Swebonny> Oh, LUAduck is here. 17:23:48 <yorick> Zuu: ctrl-b? 17:24:46 <Zuu> yorick: Good tip, but unfortuanally not. I'll hack togeather an AI that put tiles on the aircraft locations. :) 17:24:52 <Zuu> put signs* 17:25:25 <yorick> pause-screenshot 17:25:29 <yorick> repeat 17:25:51 <yorick> and photoshop it together 17:26:22 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 17:26:26 <EoD> Where is the definition of GetStation(uint index)? 17:26:42 <Zuu> yorick: How will that help me? Or is that an answer to someone else? 17:26:56 <yorick> no, you need to know the holding rect 17:27:16 <yorick> (the rectangle in which they circle, right?) 17:27:22 <Zuu> Yep 17:27:39 <yorick> can't you just comment out the line that makes them dirty before they move? 17:27:42 <Zuu> But the shade is not on the tiles that the aircrafts are on. 17:27:50 <yorick> oh, that 17:27:55 <yorick> hm 17:28:03 <Zuu> Because they shift sideways about a tile when they land. 17:28:10 <yorick> why do you need to know that 17:28:28 <Zuu> So to get it right I make an AI that puts signs on all tiles aircrafts visit, so I can probably figure that out. 17:28:41 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:56 <frosch123> EoD: oldpool.h, it is created by ## in some macro 17:29:02 <frosch123> DECLARE_OLD_POOL or so 17:29:06 <Zuu> NoAI don't provide any function to get number of airplanes waiting nor the size of holding pattern of airports, so I'll need to hardcode the holding patterns for now. 17:29:33 <Zuu> Getting the usage of stations is usefull so you know when they are crowdy or not. 17:29:41 <yorick> it isnt in airport_movement.h? 17:30:06 <EoD> frosch123: thx :) - now i have to figure out what's going on there... 17:30:11 <Zuu> You can probably get it from the source as well, but haven't checked there :) 17:31:04 <yorick> -31, 193, 1, 1, 257, 1, 273, 49 17:31:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16055 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:31:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-13 17:30:44 17:31:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: catalan - 10 fixed by arnaullv (10) 17:31:06 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: czech - 1 changed by Hadez (1) 17:31:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: finnish - 10 fixed by jpx_ (10) 17:31:08 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: french - 9 fixed by glx (9) 17:31:10 <yorick> for country airfield 17:31:10 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: german - 10 fixed by planetmaker (10) 17:32:30 *** zorgulo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: AdiaÅ.] 17:32:43 <yorick> north-east, north-west, south-west, south 17:32:46 <yorick> x,y 17:33:37 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0E20E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:07 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:29 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:19 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0F0E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:52 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0119e.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 18:10:32 <George3> There is no version of R16043 for win32? 18:10:37 *** George3 is now known as George 18:12:30 <Aali> you couldn't wait 30 minutes for the new nightly? :P 18:13:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.167.32] has joined #openttd 18:14:59 <planetmaker> :) 18:15:53 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:19:33 <George> no. I want to sleep :( 18:19:45 <petern> no 18:19:50 <petern> we don't make win32 builds any more 18:20:03 <George> :) 18:20:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.220.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:20:31 <TrueBrain> it was too much effort for too little gain 18:20:49 <George> :) 18:20:50 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:54 <EoD> you could make sparc/linux builds. Much effort for a lot of gain :-p 18:22:18 <TrueBrain> explain that 'gain' part please :p 18:22:26 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 18:22:31 <EoD> I don't have to compile it myself anymore ;) 18:22:39 <Noldo> :D 18:22:39 <petern> gain in compile time 18:22:41 <TrueBrain> fair enough :) 18:22:56 <petern> i don't think i'd want to run it on my SS5 18:23:07 *** Gazelle [~Mandy_Tak@84.30.127.181] has joined #openttd 18:23:25 <EoD> compiling openttd on my 500MHz sparc takes ~45min 18:23:37 <Noldo> how long does kernel take? 18:23:48 <Gazelle> hey, I was wondering, can you download the original transport tcyoon scenarios for open ttd ? 18:24:29 <petern> you can find them on your CD 18:24:33 <EoD> Noldo: Don't know. I always start compiling when i go to university and when i'm back it's finished ;) 18:24:54 <Noldo> EoD: use time make next time 18:25:18 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@78.52.184.7] has joined #openttd 18:25:33 <EoD> but i have a relatively small kernel, so there is no real comparison 18:25:56 <petern> i can't remember the last time i regularly compiled kernels 18:26:23 <Gazelle> I dont have a cd, just downloaded the needed files from the transporttycoon website 18:26:48 <TrueBrain> Gazelle: that is illegal; we don't discuss illegal things here 18:27:15 <TrueBrain> (like telling in here you stole a car and wonder how you could now get it to start with a key instead of hotwiring ...) 18:27:26 <Gazelle> ok sorry 18:27:35 <Gazelle> but I thought it was free 18:27:55 <Gazelle> because it is such an old game? 18:28:06 <Gazelle> you cant buy it somewhere 18:28:07 <Gazelle> where can i? 18:28:18 <TrueBrain> so stealing a 30 year old car is not stealing .. I mean .. it is old! 18:29:39 <TrueBrain> I always refer to classicgamingpresents.com, but I am sure there are others out there which still sell the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe 18:29:53 <Gazelle> ok thanks! 18:29:54 <petern> no 18:29:59 <petern> because that's not legit 18:30:01 <petern> le sigh 18:30:05 <petern> anyway 18:30:09 <petern> the original scenarios suc 18:30:10 <petern> *suck 18:30:17 <Gazelle> why ? 18:30:25 <TrueBrain> petern: it isn't? That sucks :) 18:30:30 <petern> TrueBrain, you fool :p 18:30:53 <TrueBrain> petern: you know me :) 18:30:56 <petern> using that site is worse than just downloading it 18:31:07 <TrueBrain> petern: so give us a better alternative! :) 18:31:35 <Gazelle> hm but that site is legal? 18:31:40 <Gazelle> because you can also dwonload it there 18:31:42 <Gazelle> they say 18:31:45 <Gazelle> ok you have to pay.. 18:31:48 <petern> that site it not legal 18:31:54 <Gazelle> but I can also host and ask payment 18:32:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.184.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:10 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:32:57 <KingJ> I remember looking at the prebuilt scenarios and thinking "How you could possibly do something this bad?" 18:33:25 <TrueBrain> there are nicer ones at BaNaNaS yes :) 18:33:56 <petern> http://www.classicgamingpresents.com/Terms.htm 18:34:06 <Gazelle> but some of banananas are not working here 18:34:10 <Gazelle> because they are .sc0 18:34:18 <Gazelle> but you need svn or something like that, isnt it ? 18:34:29 <Gazelle> eh 18:34:30 <Gazelle> scn 18:34:57 <Gazelle> indeed petern 18:34:59 <Gazelle> it is not legal 18:35:21 <TrueBrain> petern: nasty :) 18:42:09 *** InfinityFinder [~8find3r@dsl-149-117-11.hive.is] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 18:47:45 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:51 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 18:59:02 <Ammler> petern: I thought, openttd doesn't link to "illegal" original graphics pages? 19:01:15 <Ammler> else it would be better to link to tt-forums thread then that page. 19:01:24 <Prof_Frink> 3407! 19:19:42 <petern> Ammler, what? 19:20:18 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 19:20:22 <Ammler> well, sorry, it was TrueBrain first refering to that "bad" site. 19:21:11 <Ammler> just liked to mention if you link that page, you should also link the pages from i.e. orudge. 19:21:12 *** Swebonny [5ae6453b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:21:23 <petern> well no 19:21:25 <TrueBrain> @kban Ammler 30 Either read the whole conversation, or don't speak at all 19:21:26 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~ammler@ammler.ch] by DorpsGek 19:21:26 *** Ammler was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Either read the whole conversation, or don't speak at all] 19:21:32 <petern> :D 19:21:54 <orudge> " 19:21:54 <orudge> The other patches that we sell are owned and programmed by us. They do 19:21:54 <orudge> not use any of the game's software code and do not infringe any 19:21:54 <orudge> trademarks or copyrights. 19:21:54 <orudge> " 19:21:57 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~ammler@ammler.ch] by DorpsGek 19:21:57 <orudge> which is clearely a load of rubbish 19:23:01 <TrueBrain> if he would just have read that petern was correcting me for pasting that site .. but no .. he just had to start saying the same thing all over again :( 19:23:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:11 <glx> they own and program ttdpatch? 19:23:23 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:23:39 <orudge> glx: it must be patchman behind it! 19:24:38 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 19:26:00 *** LUADuck [~LUADuck@79-72-203-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:43 *** LUADuck [~LUADuck@79-72-164-220.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:52 *** Gazelle [~Mandy_Tak@84.30.127.181] has left #openttd [] 19:28:54 <Sacro> Gazelle: the original Transport Tycoon didn't come with Scenarios 19:29:05 <TinoDidriksen> I love how their product page for Transport Tycoon Collection says "Star Control is a science-fiction wargame which pits the forces of the Alliance of Free Stars..." 19:29:07 <Sacro> I don't think they appeared till Deluxe 19:32:26 <orudge> Sacro: World Editor 19:33:06 <petern> GAH 19:33:10 <petern> if there is one thing 19:33:12 <petern> more annoying 19:33:20 <petern> that trying to play a music score with 4 staves 19:33:21 <petern> it is 19:33:36 <petern> trying to play a music score with 4 staves whilst the page keeps turning back by itself 19:34:04 <Sacro> orudge: hmm, still, none in the original 19:35:20 <orudge> Sacro: no, but the World Editor is an add-on for the original 19:35:23 <orudge> none in the original original, no 19:35:34 <orudge> but you were wrong about "not appearing until Deluxe" is what I was meaning 19:35:34 <orudge> ;) 19:36:23 <Sacro> Oh true 19:36:27 <Sacro> I only had TTO 19:36:33 <Sacro> kinda skipped TTD, couldn't get into TTDP 19:36:36 <Sacro> loving OTTD 19:36:42 <orudge> skipped TTD? :o 19:36:46 * orudge got TTD when he first got the Internet 19:36:47 <petern> also 19:36:48 <orudge> found it on some web site 19:36:51 <orudge> took about 45 minutes to download 19:36:54 <yorick> I never had TTO or TTD 19:36:55 <petern> the score for wicked is evil 19:36:56 <orudge> it was all new and different 19:36:58 <petern> so i gave up on that 19:37:22 <orudge> then I found TTDPatch a while later, but thought it was some kind of cheat program 19:37:24 <orudge> and didn't want it 19:37:30 <orudge> kept an eye out on it though 19:37:36 <orudge> and saw it coming out with all these fancy features 19:37:49 <orudge> throughout this time, I was always playing the DOS version of TTD, too, until I got Windows XP and couldn't 19:37:58 <orudge> it was always smoother and more reliable than the Windows version, on Win98 at least 19:44:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-209-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:45:05 *** draconnier [~svencanni@87.240.244.123] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:53 *** Maarten is now known as Guest321 20:06:25 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F571.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:08:17 *** Synergizer [~synergize@c-75-73-225-141.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:08:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:02 *** Synergizer [~synergize@c-75-73-225-141.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:59 *** Kojiri [~KojiriTsu@h69-128-228-78.wndsny.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:33 <Kojiri> I have a bug with debian 20:17:54 <TrueBrain> and you join #openttd 20:17:57 <TrueBrain> this should be good :) 20:18:22 <Kojiri> imim lying the debians kicked me 20:18:42 <Kojiri> they tkae it too seriously 20:19:14 <TrueBrain> I wonder how long it takes you to get kicked here 20:19:25 <Kojiri> why? 20:19:27 * TrueBrain sits down at a place with a nice view over this channel 20:19:40 <Kojiri> fag 20:20:14 <welshdragon> Kojiri: go moan on another channel, unless it relates to the game #openttd? 20:20:32 <welshdragon> er, OpenTTD even 20:20:36 <Kojiri> which game? 20:21:51 *** Ameecher [~chatzilla@host86-141-168-154.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:22:34 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:42 <jonty-comp> do you even know what OpenTTD is? D: 20:22:47 <frosch123> it's not a game, it's serious business 20:22:49 <orudge> jonty-comp: do you know what OpenTTD is? 20:22:55 <Ameecher> where am I? 20:22:56 <jonty-comp> touché 20:23:02 <orudge> what are birds? 20:23:04 * orudge waits for Prof_Frink 20:23:04 <Guest321> Kojiri: Didn't you know you that linux users are not allowed to ask questions and are supposed to figure out everything for themselves by using the "man" command? The channels here are just to talk about chicks etc. 20:23:18 <jonty-comp> yes, chicks 20:23:23 <jonty-comp> I saw a nice chick today 20:23:26 <orudge> did you eat it? 20:23:28 <Prof_Frink> What is water? 20:23:30 <TrueBrain> I did :) 20:23:33 <jonty-comp> no, I did not eat it 20:23:38 <jonty-comp> it was rather raw 20:23:46 <Ameecher> not much meat on chicks 20:23:47 <Nite_Owl> peeps 20:23:47 <Kojiri> talk about chicks? you guys never get pussy fuckin homo's 20:23:57 <TrueBrain> @kban Kojiri 10000000 strike 3 20:23:58 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~KojiriTsu@h69-128-228-78.wndsny.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] by DorpsGek 20:23:58 *** Kojiri was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [strike 3] 20:23:58 <Ameecher> oh really? 20:24:06 <Ameecher> boo 20:24:06 <Guest321> lol 20:24:07 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:24:09 <TrueBrain> I love my job :) 20:24:12 <jonty-comp> aww 20:24:14 <jonty-comp> spoilsport 20:24:19 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: lol, awesome 20:24:20 <Guest321> no wonder he got kicked from #debian 20:24:20 * jonty-comp complains at DorpsGek 20:24:21 <Ameecher> time to leave since all the sport has gone 20:24:31 <TrueBrain> I wonder why I gave a time with the kban ... 20:24:40 <TinoDidriksen> Wasn't he the same troll who wanted material for Bash? 20:24:41 <Prof_Frink> Pfft, sport 20:24:46 <frosch123> @calc 10000000 / 3600 / 24 20:24:46 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 115.740740741 20:24:46 <TrueBrain> Ameecher: so you only came to see how long Kojiri survived? 20:24:54 <Ameecher> pretty much 20:24:59 <TrueBrain> TinoDidriksen: it was :p 20:25:01 <jonty-comp> you needed more 0s there TrueBrain D: 20:25:06 <Ameecher> I can't say I can contribute much else to this channel 20:25:10 <Ameecher> or any channel really 20:25:10 <jonty-comp> in 115.7 days he will be back! 20:25:15 <TrueBrain> Ameecher: it was not our first 'visit' of him, so ... :) 20:25:16 <jonty-comp> and god help us all then. 20:25:23 <Ameecher> W-hoo! 20:25:39 <welshdragon> can you not set an infinite ban? 20:25:43 <Ameecher> oh wait, I have to hang around for a third of a year before he returns? sod that 20:25:51 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: that would have been better .. but no fun ;) 20:26:00 <jonty-comp> just keep adding 0s until it overflows 20:26:21 <Nite_Owl> do you have marshmallow peeps 'over there' 20:26:32 <glx> Guest321: change your nick 20:26:36 * yorick makes note to see if he will return 20:26:36 <EoD> jonty-comp: so he will be banned for -10000000 days? How does that work? 20:26:37 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: So I have 115 days to invent that stab-in-the-face-over-IP machine? 20:26:44 <jonty-comp> EoD: something like that 20:26:46 <jonty-comp> crashes OFTC 20:26:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:51 <yorick> it'd be maarten 20:27:01 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: let me know when it is finished :) 20:27:19 <jonty-comp> hmm, WMD-over-IP 20:27:56 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:29:56 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: You'll be the second person I tell. 20:30:05 <Prof_Frink> Right *after* the patent office. 20:30:10 <TrueBrain> I hope you just send me a prototype 20:30:14 <TrueBrain> so you can stab me over and over :p 20:31:08 <Nite_Owl> http://www.candywarehouse.com/peeps.html 20:31:43 <TrueBrain> a) why did I just open that site 20:31:44 <TrueBrain> b) wtf? 20:31:53 <glx> same for me :) 20:31:56 <Rubidium> c) thank you, now I don't have to open it ;) 20:31:58 <TrueBrain> that is just sick! :p 20:32:11 <TrueBrain> clearly I trust Nite_Owl .. doesn't happen too often in this channel :p 20:32:14 * EoD too... peer pressure 20:32:19 <TrueBrain> "For extra entertainment at any Easter gathering.... put some Peeps in the microwave and watch them expand until they explode! Marshmallowy goodness everywhere!" 20:32:43 <Rubidium> :O the first 0.7-ish server I see with more than 11 players ;) 20:32:53 * TrueBrain parties 20:32:59 <Nite_Owl> I was asking if you all had marshmallow peeps on the other side of the pond 20:33:57 <Nite_Owl> no answered so I thought that you did not know what peeps are so I showed you an example 20:34:07 <TrueBrain> ;) 20:34:10 <Nite_Owl> *no one 20:35:02 <frosch123> "dentists luv us! tm" ... 20:36:32 <LUADuck> Anyone know of any way to find out who's deleting all our co-op rails? 20:37:22 <welshdragon> Nite_Owl: never heard of them in the UK 20:37:36 <welshdragon> LUADuck: are you a server host? 20:38:02 * Zuu lols at PAXLink for building *lots of* buses just becuase the the number of waiting pax at the airport got below the threashold for some time. :) 20:38:55 <Nite_Owl> Thank you welshdragon - that answers my question 20:38:55 <frosch123> you are building more busses the less passengers are there? 20:39:08 <frosch123> there are? 20:39:45 <Zuu> frosch123: Nope, but it takes time for passengers to be deliveried, and for every x tick that there is to few passengers it builds a new bus, if there is enough waiting in town. 20:39:49 <Nite_Owl> peeps are an Easter tradition in the US 20:40:39 <frosch123> hmm, somehow all ais seem to react on jams with building more vehicles 20:41:04 <Zuu> I have just added code to do the opposite for stations :) 20:41:39 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 20:41:44 <Zuu> By measure number of vehicles in the stations over time. (and number of aircrafts in queue for airport) 20:43:19 <Zuu> But if there would be a jam between stations it will still build more vehicles untill the jam impact the number of vehicles in the bus stops. 20:43:41 <Zuu> (this is in a yet to be released version of PAXLink) 20:47:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd5a1.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:47 <LUADuck> welsh: Yes 20:48:50 <Sacro> LUADuck: press tab to complete nicks 20:49:01 <LUADuck> Ok, now we've got a guy deleting orders, we need to know who it is 20:49:56 <glx> it's not possible 20:50:36 <glx> you can just know who play is in the company 20:50:44 <LUADuck> arf 20:50:47 <TinoDidriksen> No togglable action log? 20:50:48 <LUADuck> this is fun 20:50:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-209-203.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51:06 *** Guest321 is now known as Maarten 20:51:34 *** Maarten is now known as Maarten^ 20:56:41 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:37 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:04:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.167.32] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:49 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.196.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:37 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:30:35 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16056 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix (r16037): clicking twice on the "end of orders" crashed. 21:45:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.196.215] has joined #openttd 21:50:02 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 21:50:45 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:07 *** carter [~dunno@p54BB569B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:46 <Patrick> does the new PBS work with YAPF? 21:57:13 <Zuu> Yes? 21:57:37 <Zuu> If you talk about PBS in 0.7.0 21:58:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE8ddf.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:59:30 <Patrick> yeah 22:00:09 <Patrick> hey, so I have an idea with big-load stations I've been throwing around, wondered if anyone had come up with it or had some thought 22:00:39 <Patrick> if I have a stream of tightly-packed trains and I break that up by putting them into a station, it's going to break the stream pattern 22:00:40 <Aali> there's really no reason to use anything but yapf for trains in 0.7 22:00:47 <Patrick> i.e. trains won't reassemble at all 22:00:54 <Patrick> ones will wait 22:00:55 <Patrick> etc 22:01:15 <Patrick> but if every single path through the station is the same length, then every single train should take the same length of time in the station 22:01:21 <Patrick> and thus reassemble seamlessly 22:01:55 <Aali> loading/unloading times will mess up that scheme though 22:02:42 <Patrick> they'd all be full loads of the same cargo 22:02:44 <Patrick> identical trains 22:02:45 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 22:03:08 <Patrick> openttdcoop would have a better handle on heavy-load concepts but I get the feeling it's more of a brute force approach over there 22:03:24 <Patrick> I'm going for almost, the maths and pushing the boundaries of networking 22:03:32 <Ameecher> Aali, would be fine with timetabling 22:03:47 <Ameecher> ie, make them load for the same length of time and leave regardless of cargo 22:04:04 <Patrick> would also work 22:04:18 <Patrick> now I just need to program a calculator to tell me how many platforms I need to host for a full stream :) 22:04:31 <Patrick> it's somewhere between 4 and 5 for monorail 22:06:00 <planetmaker> that depends upon train length 22:06:10 <planetmaker> train speed, wagon loading speed 22:10:20 <Patrick> well, yes, I figured that much out :P 22:13:49 *** Ameecher [~chatzilla@host86-141-168-154.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 22:16:46 *** Gebruiker [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 22:19:42 *** Gebruiker is now known as Sapakara 22:21:33 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 22:21:48 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:50 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 22:21:51 <Cutter> hello 22:21:56 <Zuu> Hello Cutter 22:23:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:25:37 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-123-000.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 22:26:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:33 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16057 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2834] (r16037): division by zero when having an order with only one station that has either middle or near end stop location and where the platform is (significantly) longer than the train. 22:28:18 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 22:33:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:37:02 <Cutter> I would like to know how to increase the font size 22:37:27 <Cutter> I haven't found this setting in the preferences, nor in the config file 22:37:44 <Rubidium> large/medium/small_size ? 22:38:42 <Cutter> how to switch from one to another? 22:39:09 <Patrick> so what's the rationale with one-way PBS? 22:39:18 <glx> you don't, you just change the values 22:39:29 <Cutter> ok 22:39:29 <Patrick> how is it different from normal signal directions? 22:39:51 <Cutter> what where the values in v0.6.3? 22:39:56 <Cutter> *what were 22:40:03 <Zuu> The non-one-way PBS signal can be passed from behind, given that a path can be reserved to a front side of another signal. 22:40:03 <Patrick> I guess it made more sense to have two signal types than depend on signals being placed on both sides or not 22:40:11 <Rubidium> the same as in 0.7.0 22:40:22 <Patrick> I meant more the design of having them like that 22:40:25 <glx> just 0.6.3 didn't autoselect a font ;) 22:40:30 <Cutter> did the font change? 22:40:40 <glx> default are 6, 10, ? 22:40:51 <Cutter> 6, 10, 16 22:41:01 <Cutter> but the font appeared larger in 0.6.3 22:41:02 <glx> I use 7, 11, 18 with arial 22:41:08 <Patrick> Zuu: ok, so is it more realistic, what? 22:41:16 <Patrick> does it let you build much cooler networks? 22:41:19 <Rubidium> Cutter: in 0.6.3 your language would have missing characters 22:41:31 <Zuu> Patrick: Try it out :) 22:41:52 <Patrick> well, I can prove on a test network that they behave like that 22:41:55 <glx> oh Cutter, it's because µ :) 22:42:00 <Patrick> but I'm not going to easily see the rationale 22:42:12 <Patrick> aaah 22:42:21 <Patrick> actually, I remember reading a wiki about "realistic signalling 22:42:36 <Patrick> it lets trains temporarily go on the "wrong side" as long as they can get back 22:42:42 <Cutter> does openttd now use system fonts? 22:42:53 <Patrick> niiiice 22:43:37 <glx> yes, it select the first system font able do draw all chars in language file 22:43:40 <Rubidium> if your language contains characters that are not part of the base font then it does use the system fonts 22:43:58 <glx> Rubidium: he's french, and the missing char is µ 22:44:06 <glx> (OSK) 22:44:33 <Rubidium> why's that character on your keyboard anyway? 22:44:42 <Rubidium> is it that useful? 22:44:49 <Cutter> if that's the only missing char, I will switch back to the default language 22:45:04 <Rubidium> (can't remember writing that character during French class) 22:45:05 <glx> yes it's useful to type µtorrent ;) 22:45:33 <glx> dunno why AZERTY creators decided to put it on the keyboard 22:45:54 <Patrick> so my option for "show building tools for when no suitable vehicles are available" but I still can't build monorail or maglev early 22:45:57 <Patrick> whats' the deal with that? 22:46:06 <Rubidium> anyways, /me is off to sleep 22:46:28 <Cutter> can I switch back to the font used in 0.6.3 without changing keyboard layout or game language? 22:46:38 <Nite_Owl> later Rubidium 22:46:58 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:47:02 <Rubidium> compile without freetype support 22:47:17 *** carter [~dunno@p54BB569B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:17 <glx> you can also set a non existing font for *_font 22:47:45 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.240] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:05 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 22:49:47 <glx> hmm no that doesn't work it seems 22:49:50 <Cutter> glx: doesn't work 22:52:29 <glx> try "arial bold" with 7, 11, 18 22:52:34 <DJNekkid> is it "out of the box" easy to reverse a trains 8sprite direction to opposite, just by adding something to its reference in VarAction2's? 22:52:43 <DJNekkid> i.e. A0 80 22:52:46 <DJNekkid> or A0 FF 22:52:49 <DJNekkid> or similar 22:52:51 <DJNekkid> ? 22:53:07 <DJNekkid> (instead of A0 00) 22:54:48 <Cutter> arial bold doesn't work but verdana bold does 22:54:54 <Cutter> why? 22:56:41 <glx> don't set any font, start "openttd -dfreetype1" and check what is the fallback font 22:58:53 <Cutter> glx: then the same font as with default settings is used 22:59:15 <glx> I mean the text in the console :) 22:59:30 <Cutter> a message says "using sprite font" before the game starts 22:59:46 <Cutter> this font doesn't look like the one from 0.6.3 23:00:27 <glx> and the language is set to french? 23:00:54 <Cutter> yes 23:00:55 <Cutter> language = french.lng 23:01:40 <glx> for me it says "using sprite font" "using sprite font" "fallback font" "using sprite font" "fallback font" 23:02:36 <glx> and when you change language it retry to detect a suitable font 23:03:31 <Cutter> when I switch to English the font is right 23:03:44 <glx> that's sprite font 23:03:53 <glx> (included in TTD files) 23:04:27 <Cutter> so the console is lying about using sprite font when I add the -dfreetype1 parameter 23:05:14 <Cutter> uh sorry there's more messages later 23:05:22 <Cutter> which I didn't see 23:05:32 <Cutter> because of fulscreen 23:05:41 <Cutter> Fallback font: Arial 23:05:49 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.184.7] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:06:55 <glx> anyway the only way is to specify the font in openttd.cfg 23:07:21 <Cutter> may I specify "Sprite" or something like that? 23:07:26 <glx> no 23:07:55 <glx> IIRC tahoma bold is quite similar to sprite font 23:08:35 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:08:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-71fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:09:07 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 23:09:15 *** mizipzor_ [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 23:09:18 <glx> but you can do some testing and use what looks the best for you 23:09:35 <glx> even comic if you want ;) 23:09:41 <Cutter> Tahoma will do 23:09:43 <Cutter> thanks :) 23:11:16 *** mizipzor [mizipzor@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:37 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 23:14:55 <Patrick> how do I do "transfer and leave empty" in 0.7 ? 23:15:27 <Patrick> ah never mind 23:15:35 <Patrick> a most elegant new design 23:15:36 <Nite_Owl> Time to fly - later all 23:15:46 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:17:59 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:33 *** snorre [~snorre@cF6FC00C3.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:41:38 <EoD> i'm off. 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