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Log for #openttd on 28th April 2009:
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03:37:58  <kkb110> hi
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04:26:24  <el_en> don't touch the pigs.
04:31:29  <kkb110> I love pigs
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06:55:41  <dihedral> booooring
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06:57:34  <Noldo> do something
07:02:36  <dihedral> i am
07:02:42  <dihedral> playing with bespin :-)
07:02:48  <dihedral> version 0.2.0 is out ^^
07:02:52  <Xaroth> you can always go dance
07:02:56  <dihedral> bespin.mozilla.com
07:07:48  <petern> HTML 5, eh?
07:08:47  <dihedral> login - does not look that bad
07:08:59  <dihedral> though vcs support seems worse than in the beta :-P
07:11:14  <petern> firefox crashed :p
07:11:52  <dihedral> lol
07:11:54  <dihedral> ^^
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07:13:57  <dihedral> well, it worked when i grabed a copy and installed it on my vps
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08:09:44  * dihedral is exhausted
08:13:34  <dihedral> do something!!
08:13:41  <dihedral> ^^
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08:14:44  <dihedral> :-(
08:14:48  <dihedral> that was not very nice
08:14:53  <dihedral> :'(
08:14:57  <dihedral> :-P
08:15:40  <petern> you didn't say "do something nice"
08:15:45  <dihedral> Xaroth: 0.1.1.9 <- is that Major.Minor.BugFix.VeryMinorBugFix?
08:15:53  <dihedral> petern: that's no excuse ^^
08:15:58  <dihedral> by the way
08:16:05  <dihedral> i love the music you and belugas made ;-)
08:16:14  <Noldo> petern: :D
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08:17:23  <dihedral> it marmalades ^^
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08:34:28  <nicfer> I think that trains and buses should have non-player-dependant accidents, like signal failures and crashes between them (in buses case)
08:36:09  <dihedral> never give up thinking! ^^
08:37:33  <nicfer> Oh, and where went the thread about dirty roads as separate track types?
08:38:43  <nicfer> I searched three pages on the ottd dev forum and I didn't find it
08:38:52  <petern> marmalades?
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08:46:29  <dihedral> petern: jam ^^
08:46:41  <petern> oh
08:46:44  <petern> marmalade isn't jam :p
08:46:51  <dihedral> hihi
08:47:06  <dihedral> no
08:47:16  <Noldo> dihedral: what have you taken and can I have some too
08:48:04  <petern> also, who quoted that idiot-text yesterday?
08:50:01  <dihedral> Noldo: lack of sleep
08:50:04  <dihedral> and too much work
08:50:16  <dihedral> pushing 12 hour work days
08:50:29  <dihedral> (at work)
08:50:36  <dihedral> then going home and having more to do
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08:51:20  <dihedral> if you want some, feel free!
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08:56:40  <TrueBrain> I never thought I would read this: "but it is 'just' a POSIX function [ so I will not use it ]"
08:56:42  <TrueBrain> ......
08:57:06  <TrueBrain> POSIX is the new EVIL! MSVC rules!
08:57:16  <dihedral> TrueBrain: there are people in the world who love win just a bit too much
08:57:18  * dihedral glances at petern :-P
08:57:34  <TrueBrain> 'win' as in 'windows'?
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08:58:32  <dihedral> TrueBrain: yes
08:59:09  <dihedral> and petern it was me on qdb :-P
08:59:13  <TrueBrain> dihedral: nothing wrong with windows :) Just MSVCs refusal to work with POSIX :) But todays leason of the forum is that POSIX is evil, and should be avoided, as MSVC doesn't support it :)
08:59:17  <dihedral> i could not resist :-D
08:59:30  <dihedral> eh...
08:59:34  <dihedral> i disagree
08:59:40  <dihedral> windows IS the evil part :-D
08:59:49  <TrueBrain> no no, you got that leason all wrong!!
08:59:52  <dihedral> there is a lot wrong with windows
08:59:57  <TrueBrain> now put on a memory card: POSIX evil
09:00:00  <TrueBrain> MSVC good
09:00:10  <dihedral> ouch ouch ouch
09:00:16  <TrueBrain> come on, say it out loud
09:00:17  * dihedral burnt his fingers
09:00:17  <TrueBrain> you can do it!
09:00:20  <dihedral> ^^
09:00:22  <dihedral> no
09:00:28  <dihedral> MMAAAAAACC
09:00:32  <dihedral> :-D
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09:07:31  <dihedral> zzz
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09:12:18  <petern> TrueBrain, you got the conversion the wrong way around ;p
09:12:24  <TrueBrain> damn, I just bit my ... side of my mouth .. how is it called ...
09:12:32  <petern> cheek
09:12:34  <TrueBrain> petern: how should I read it?
09:12:52  <petern> string to 64bit long integer
09:13:23  <petern> (as per subject, heh)
09:13:55  <TrueBrain> I don't get it :'(
09:14:26  <petern> you put "64bit long integer to string"
09:14:36  * petern smirks at DaleStan
09:15:09  <TrueBrain> petern: ah, there
09:15:13  <TrueBrain> need to look long :p
09:15:21  <petern> that's what she said
09:15:28  <TrueBrain> auch :)
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11:29:33  <fjb> Hello
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11:43:20  <den> hi
11:43:35  <TrueBrain> hello
11:43:42  <den> who started nightly versions in arch linux?
11:47:59  <petern> not us
11:49:27  <den> (
11:49:41  <den> have problem with libs
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11:59:45  <TrueBrain> I have 2x 22" WS .. still I don't have enough workspace :(
11:59:56  <TrueBrain> @base 2 16 00101000
11:59:56  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 28
12:00:56  <TrueBrain> @base 2 16 00110000
12:00:56  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 30
12:01:52  <glx> you need to use the bot for that ?
12:02:53  <TrueBrain> can you do that by head, being sure you got it right?
12:03:13  <glx> usually yes :)
12:06:21  <TrueBrain> I need to be 100% sure, so I use calculators ;)
12:06:25  <TrueBrain> avoids .... mistakes :)
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12:08:54  <TrueBrain> clear function naming: _aluriws
12:09:12  <TrueBrain> ghehehe :) alu-operation, to a reg, from an imm, wide (16bit), sign-extended
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12:32:22  <Scuanor> hello. what do i do against that net_frame_freq error where a player gets kicked off the server? limiting things like citys and such doesnt work. and the setting is not saved in the cfg-files.
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12:36:31  <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=785347#p785347 <- this thread is rather amusing ^^
12:36:35  <Scuanor> no one knows that? oO
12:37:07  <glx> use smaller map
12:37:22  <Scuanor> seems no one reads what i write either
12:37:28  <Scuanor> "limiting things like citys and such doesnt work."
12:38:17  <TrueBrain> maybe because we need to say it again: use smaller maps
12:38:26  <glx> this error means your server requires too much cpu
12:38:45  <glx> and the kicked client can't follow
12:39:24  <dihedral> talking of kick ^^
12:39:27  <glx> so, or the map is too big, or there are too many vehicles (maybe boats ?)
12:39:39  <dihedral> it would kinda be cool if one could send custom strings to the client
12:39:50  <dihedral> i.e. kick <id> [<message>]
12:40:07  <glx> write an alias for say && kick :)
12:40:24  <dihedral> issue is, the message said is not in that sweet lil red box
12:40:30  <Scuanor> it is a fresh 512x512 map, no boats, no wateredges even. and that error had not occured to me in all the zears i play now ottd over the net
12:40:38  <dihedral> and not all users think as far as to read their clients console
12:40:56  <dihedral> i have used say, waited 5 seconds and then kick
12:41:00  <dihedral> they still did not get it
12:41:14  <dihedral> sad sods
12:41:22  <glx> and do you think they will read the kick message?
12:42:42  <Scuanor> always the same here... *sighs* well have a good daynightsumfin
12:42:48  <glx> Scuanor: 512x512 may be too big for some clients
12:42:57  <glx> any newgrfs loaded?
12:43:41  <petern> urgle
12:44:08  <Scuanor> only some GRFs and as said, it all ran fine but hey why care for a software that also runs on pcs that are NOT 4GHZ/monsters...
12:44:29  <petern> ...
12:44:35  <Scuanor> ...
12:44:46  <Scuanor> i knonw the waz out, no ned to kick
12:44:47  <glx> industry grf?
12:44:56  <Scuanor> no, glx
12:45:00  <petern> ...
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12:45:23  <glx> nice
12:45:35  <petern> tantrum?
12:45:45  <glx> we try to help, but he didn't like the answer
12:46:21  <TrueBrain> most likely because he realised he did something terrible stupid :p
12:46:22  <TrueBrain> ghehe
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12:47:12  <dihedral> glx: i'd hope they would read the message
12:50:38  <glx> I have him on PM :)
12:51:02  <glx> [14:49:03] <Scuanor> he has a 3000 euro mac powerbook or so. with two 3GHZ cpus or so.  <-- and I got useful info
12:51:31  <glx> it looks like the usual "mac is slow with 8bpp"
12:55:19  <TrueBrain> I somehow would refuse to talk to him in PM, and force him to get in here :p Ghehe :)
13:03:46  <Belugas> hey llo!
13:05:51  <Belugas> 8bpm... now.. that's slow indeed!
13:06:43  <petern> hehe
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13:10:10  <TrueBrain> poor Belugas
13:10:34  * petern curses the 3D Secure testing
13:11:08  <Belugas> me? why?
13:12:25  <petern> oh look, the test details didn't work
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13:16:38  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: yexo * r16181 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: -Fix [Squirrel]: the traps variable wasn't restored, causing try/catch blocks to be 'forgotten' during a suspend.
13:18:10  <el_en> http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23065
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13:22:26  <dihedral> hello Belugas :-)
13:25:11  <Yexo> Belugas: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=43367
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13:30:36  <dihedral> Yexo, what a twat! ^^
13:31:06  * dihedral waits patiently for sir Belugas' reply
13:34:35  <Xaroth> heh
13:37:51  <Belugas> Done
13:38:00  <Belugas> thatnsk for pointing it, Yexo
13:38:37  <Belugas> DAMNED!!!
13:38:40  <Belugas> LOCKED :S
13:38:52  <fjb> :-)
13:39:06  <Belugas> http://paste.openttd.org/182352
13:39:09  <Belugas> anyway
13:39:24  <el_en> an excellent comment from peter1138.
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13:40:59  <fjb> An the next problem with "realistic" timing is that all the lenghts would have to be "realistic" too...
13:44:13  <Belugas> my finger hitches
13:44:31  <dihedral> go on Belugas :-P
13:44:39  <dihedral> give yourself a kick :-D
13:45:22  <TrueBrain> hitches? or itches?
13:45:30  <dihedral> itches
13:45:35  <dihedral> petern, love your reply :-D
13:45:42  <el_en> hitches like in hitch-hiking?
13:45:50  <TrueBrain> maybe he means that yes :p
13:46:05  <Belugas> These Are the Pros and Cons of itch-hiking!
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14:20:31  <TrueBrain> yeah, you are boring :p
14:20:38  <dihedral> bitch ^^
14:20:48  <TrueBrain> lol, just wasted 3 commits on a 4 lines piece of code ... I wonder why I commit so often :p
14:20:55  <TrueBrain> (or why I change my mind so often ...)
14:21:49  <dihedral> ^^
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14:30:04  <petern> whew
14:30:11  <petern> 3d secure testing complete, now to submit my results
14:30:23  <petern> and then they'll probably come back and say it's all wrong
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14:40:50  <Belugas> 3d secure? /me searches
14:42:08  <Belugas> mmh...
14:42:17  <Belugas> have "fun" :)
14:44:13  <Belugas> as usual, "they" will ask me to certify that stuff in about 2-3 years, for the next month if ever possible :S
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15:04:59  <petern> yeah
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15:37:29  <jonty-comp> openttd on steam? :|
15:37:40  <Xaroth> eh?
15:37:47  <jonty-comp> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=43352
15:37:55  <jonty-comp> Steam as in the games download service
15:38:02  <jonty-comp> which confused me to start with
15:38:15  <Xaroth> yes
15:38:25  <Xaroth> read Rubidium's reply
15:38:37  <jonty-comp> quite
15:38:47  <jonty-comp> just seems like quite possibly the randomest idea I have ever heard
15:38:55  <Xaroth> not really
15:38:59  <Xaroth> loads of games have moved to steam
15:39:06  <jonty-comp> no free open source games though
15:39:12  <jonty-comp> that you can easily download anyway
15:39:16  <Xaroth> nope, because the steam license doesn't allow that
15:40:35  <TrueBrain> it doesn't allow open source?
15:41:04  <Xaroth> the steam license is incompatible with GPL
15:41:06  <Yexo> according to rubidiums reply it forbids copying the downloaded files, which is incompatible with the gpl
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15:41:16  <Xaroth> and not just on copying part
15:41:28  <TrueBrain> their loss
15:41:30  <Xaroth> yep
15:41:45  <Xaroth> i hate steam, i only have it because of COD4
15:41:52  <Xaroth> and i would gladly rip it off if i could :/
15:42:02  <Xaroth> heck, i'd even enjoy it
15:42:17  <glx> you could have COD4 without steam :)
15:42:39  <Xaroth> not if you bought it through steam :(
15:42:49  <Xaroth> saved me 25 euros tho
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15:47:53  <dihedral> but is that part of the Steam lisence not in connection with the user side of things
15:48:05  <dihedral> as in, you are not allowed to copy / modify stuff you have downloaded via steam?
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15:49:30  <De_Ghosty> u cand modify stuff u dl from stema
15:49:43  <De_Ghosty> it's just the source code u use to work with steam
15:49:48  <De_Ghosty> can't be distrivuted
15:49:52  <TrueBrain> you is spelled like 'you'
15:49:52  <dihedral> y cand you tybe probably
15:50:01  <De_Ghosty> cuz
15:50:04  <De_Ghosty> it's early
15:50:08  <De_Ghosty> and i had an exam
15:50:10  <De_Ghosty> and is tired
15:50:11  <dihedral> so?
15:50:13  <De_Ghosty> :o
15:50:16  <TrueBrain> I is spelled like 'I'
15:50:25  <De_Ghosty> is it?
15:50:25  <dihedral> you think somone wants to read such drivel :-P
15:50:30  <De_Ghosty> yes
15:50:32  <De_Ghosty> i do
15:50:40  <De_Ghosty> it makes for intresting reading
15:51:02  <De_Ghosty> can you decrypt what De_Ghosty is saying?
15:51:05  <De_Ghosty> it's a game
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15:51:24  <Xaroth> De_Ghosty: yes, and the GPL license insists on allowing people to modify the soruce
15:51:29  <Xaroth> as such, they clash
15:51:39  <De_Ghosty> yea
15:51:45  <Xaroth> you cannot distribute a GPL-licensed thing with anti-GPL restrictions
15:51:46  <De_Ghosty> the make u sign nda when u get on steam work
15:52:27  <Xaroth> nda's are besides the point anyhow
15:52:31  <Xaroth> it's their license vs GPL
15:52:33  <Xaroth> and they don't match
15:54:33  <el_en> De_Ghosty: English Only.
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15:55:59  <Belugas> [11:41] <Xaroth> loads of games have moved to steam  <-- absolute and perfect argument.
15:56:02  <nicfer> one question, where's the patch that added a new road type?
15:56:14  <fjb> What is steam?
15:56:16  <dihedral> hehe
15:56:25  <dihedral> that thing that works cross platform so well
15:56:27  <Belugas> stuff that comes out of the steam loco
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15:57:08  <fjb> Ah, thank you Belugas, now knowing that the above discussion makes even less sense.
15:57:20  <Belugas> :)
15:57:49  <nicfer> I don't remember the name, but they looked like dirty roads
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15:59:00  <De_Ghosty> steam
15:59:07  <De_Ghosty> is where all the free stuff is going :o
15:59:14  <De_Ghosty> and the not so free stuff
15:59:24  <Belugas> fjb : honestly, all i can guess.  if i wanted to know more about it, i would start to search.  but i don't give a fuckton
16:01:08  <fjb> Never heard about it and I'm using almost only free stuff.
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16:03:38  <jonty-comp> fjb: that would explain why then
16:03:48  <jonty-comp> as it has no free stuff whatsoever on it
16:04:03  <jonty-comp> other than demos and mods
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16:06:04  <fjb> I found a wikipedia entry about it. Doesn't sound interesting.
16:07:01  <fjb> Windows only...
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16:10:31  <Belugas> #Give me steam
16:10:44  <Belugas> #and how you feel can make it real
16:10:54  <Belugas> #real as anythng you've seen
16:11:15  <Belugas> #get a liiiiiiiife with the dreamer's dream
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16:17:38  <fjb> Using a firewall with steam is not describing the network firewall setting...
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16:18:43  <fjb> Advise for using with a network firewall: disable it....
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16:37:35  <dihedral> @commit 16175
16:37:36  <DorpsGek> dihedral: Commit by yexo :: r16175 /trunk/src/network (3 files in 2 dirs) (2009-04-26 19:48:42 UTC)
16:37:37  <DorpsGek> dihedral: -Fix: Disable the join button in the multiplayer lobby for AI companies, since joining an AI company is not possible.
16:37:55  <dihedral> i thought that was once covered long ago
16:43:10  <Belugas> i'm bored...
16:43:15  <Belugas> i wanna go home
16:43:16  <nicfer> @commit 666
16:43:17  <DorpsGek> nicfer: Commit by darkvater :: r666 trunk/ttd.dsp (2004-11-17 20:30:34 UTC)
16:43:18  <DorpsGek> nicfer: -Added missing sprite.c for VS6 project file
16:43:29  <nicfer> I was just curious
16:43:58  <nicfer> @commit 1337
16:43:58  <DorpsGek> nicfer: Commit by tron :: r1337 /trunk (15 files) (2005-01-03 12:56:22 UTC)
16:43:59  <DorpsGek> nicfer: Use MapMax[XY]() (or MapSize[XY]() if appropriate) instead of TILE_MAX_[XY]
16:44:00  <DorpsGek> nicfer: While here replace one erroneous TILE_MAX_X with MapMaxY()
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16:48:08  <dihedral> @commit 1
16:48:08  <DorpsGek> dihedral: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC)
16:48:09  <DorpsGek> dihedral: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN
16:48:10  <dihedral> ;-)
16:48:20  <dihedral> that should happen more often :_D
16:48:20  <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=43364  <--- iranair777, the one who inspired me my signature's change...
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16:48:38  <Belugas> dihedral, you want more crash of svn??
16:49:23  <dihedral> yep
16:49:34  <Belugas> silly boy...
16:49:45  <dihedral> then marjaqu would clearly not be able to follow the project back further :-D
16:51:03  <el_en> @commit 0
16:51:03  <DorpsGek> el_en: Commit r0 doesn't exists
16:51:38  <Belugas> hiding something every one out there are totally aware?
16:52:33  <dihedral> true
16:52:35  <dihedral> no point
16:52:43  <dihedral> courts would not be interested :-P
16:53:09  <Belugas> indeed, my though actually
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17:01:02  <petern> @commit -1
17:01:04  <DorpsGek> petern: Commit r-1 doesn't exists
17:01:08  <petern> doesn't... exists?
17:01:49  <el_en> someone must has made a misstake
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17:24:23  <planetmaker> good evening
17:24:59  <planetmaker> I like your new tt-forums sig, Belugas :)
17:25:05  <planetmaker> so true, so true
17:25:13  <Belugas> :)
17:25:47  <Belugas> can I add "Don't call me dude" ?
17:26:19  <Belugas> hello planetmaker, by the way :)
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17:27:25  <planetmaker> :) he... I think I have to look up the meanings of "dude" in order to answer that :)
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17:27:47  <planetmaker> and searching for conotations is... difficult
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17:29:16  <fjb> I would translate it as "Kumpel".
17:29:20  <planetmaker> he... a less favourable word than I thought so far :P
17:29:32  <planetmaker> "Kumpel" is the most favourable I found ;)
17:29:37  <Eddi|zuHause> the typical translation of "dude" as greeting is "alter"
17:30:28  <Prof_Frink> Evenin' dudes.
17:30:52  <planetmaker> meh :)
17:31:02  <fjb> Where is Bjani when you need him...?
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17:31:20  <Eddi|zuHause> for example in lost, whenever hurly says "dude", it is translated by "alter"
17:31:28  <fjb> Thanks Belugas.
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17:32:13  <Xaroth> people watching too much Dude, where's my car...
17:32:13  <Prof_Frink> G'day mates.
17:32:15  <fjb> But the Beatles sang "Hey dude". "Alter" was not in use in that times.
17:32:27  <planetmaker> :)
17:32:42  <Xaroth> wasn't that Hey Jude?
17:32:42  <planetmaker> those were the times my friend... *lalalala*
17:33:07  <planetmaker> it was. But doesn't fit 'topic' ;)
17:33:10  <fjb> Really? I'm no Beattles fan, so I may be mistaken.
17:33:18  <Belugas> hey mate Frink
17:33:35  <Belugas> fjb, i guess we all were too young (or not there)
17:33:43  <Belugas> even me...
17:33:49  <planetmaker> he :)
17:33:53  <Prof_Frink> Ahoy thar Belugas
17:34:44  <fjb> Belugas: Don't say that. A female friend of aproximatly my age is a big beatles fan.
17:35:02  <Belugas> reincarnation
17:35:04  <Belugas> old soul
17:35:25  <fjb> Maybe. Better don't talk with her about music.
17:40:10  * petern is home
17:40:32  * fjb it too.
17:41:08  * fjb wonders why he doesn't see petern over here.
17:41:18  <petern> you are in the wrong home
17:41:23  <petern> HEY JUDE
17:41:25  <fjb> Oh.
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17:41:50  <petern> don't make it bad
17:41:55  <petern> take a sad song and make it better
17:42:01  <petern> originally called "hey jules" apparently
17:42:51  <petern> back when popular music had 7 minute tracks...
17:44:16  * fjb things about how old petern's soul may be.
17:44:30  <fjb> thinks
17:45:04  * petern is merely 31
17:48:38  * Belugas forgot his age
17:48:56  <qkr> is there any penalty for not replacing vehicles that are getting old?
17:49:13  <Belugas> apart reliablity yo mean?
17:49:21  <qkr> yea
17:49:22  <petern> if you have breakdowns off, no
17:49:26  <petern> well
17:49:40  <petern> you get a station rating bonus for new vehicles less than 3 years old
17:49:58  <petern> so, er, i guess the answer is yes :)
17:50:26  <qkr> ok, I have breakdowns off so I guess it's not a big deal then
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17:53:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought there was an additional malus for really old vehicles
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17:56:36  <Eddi|zuHause> must mix that up with something else
17:57:46  <Belugas> dunno
17:57:48  <Belugas> could be
17:58:00  * Belugas yawns
17:58:13  <Eddi|zuHause> suggestion: use model age instead of vehicle age, makes more sense and closes some loophole with repeatedly selling and rebuying the vehicles
17:58:45  * petern tries increasing buffer size
17:59:26  <Belugas> model age is not relevant.  vehicle age is.  like... imagine a car that is on dealer's show room for 2 years.  it is brand new
18:00:03  <Eddi|zuHause> but the hype effect is for the first ICE, nobody cares for the 2412th ICE
18:00:16  <fjb> And some models are manufactures over a lot of years.
18:01:24  <Belugas> who cares about the hype?  what's important is if yes or no the vehicle can do the job
18:02:22  <fjb> A nicer feature would be to declare an old vehicle historic, keeping its reliability by paying a much higher running cost.
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18:04:12  <Eddi|zuHause> a vehicle may only be declared historic if the model has expired and there is only one kind of this vehicle left
18:05:34  <Eddi|zuHause> but still, i think model introduction date is more useful for station rating
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18:05:58  <Belugas> i love when models are introduced to me
18:06:02  <Eddi|zuHause> didn't like the real world?
18:06:03  <Belugas> even more when nude
18:06:05  <Belugas> buwhahahaha
18:06:19  <Prof_Frink> Tits.
18:06:32  <fjb> Some models are looking better dressed...
18:06:33  <Belugas> skinna
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18:09:39  <nicfer> I remember that I saw a patch that added a new road type
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18:09:45  <nicfer> well, in a hackish way
18:09:51  <nicfer> where's that topic?
18:10:05  <Belugas> under the sun?
18:10:09  <Belugas> ho... topic...
18:10:12  <Belugas> not tropic
18:10:15  <Belugas> shit :(
18:10:28  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I have an int32 with the value 255 .. how do I cast that via an int8 to -1?
18:10:51  <TrueBrain> in the most logic way you can yhink of that ..
18:10:53  <TrueBrain> nevermind :)
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18:11:11  <petern> herr
18:11:21  <petern> that is a strange noise
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18:11:36  <fjb> The birds outside?
18:11:57  <petern> no from this synth :p
18:12:12  <Belugas> :D
18:12:15  <nicfer> I can't find that TOPIC in the forums
18:12:41  <Belugas> even if you cold, i guess it would be pretty much outdated, nicfer
18:13:11  <Belugas> unless you are talking about petern's stuff on newgrf railways
18:13:25  <petern> as 'published' here http://radio.fuzzle.org/
18:13:27  <nicfer> I remember that I saw it a few days before
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18:13:38  <nicfer> but can't find it anymore
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18:14:00  <Xaroth> [TrueBrain]: hmm .. I have an int32 with the value 255 .. how do I cast that via an int8 to -1? << ... not?
18:14:24  <Xaroth> no wait, it's not an uint8..
18:14:25  <nicfer> it was some kind of dirty road which only allowed trucks to travel them
18:14:26  <Xaroth> then it might work :P
18:14:28  <TrueBrain> Xaroth: ........
18:14:44  <TrueBrain> that it was my brainfart, okay, but that you start to say it can't be done, now that is insane :p
18:14:48  <nicfer> don't remember the exact name
18:15:00  <TrueBrain> int32 v = 255; v = (int8)v; <- always work
18:15:17  <frosch123> nicfer: search in the heqs thead for references to it. maybe the patch was by roujin btw.
18:15:19  <TrueBrain> horray for sign-extend commands
18:16:34  <nicfer> it was trails
18:17:18  <nicfer> oh, and its a very old thread, don't remember how did I reach it
18:17:42  <nicfer> oh I remember, a link from other topic
18:19:32  <Belugas> petern, can't read it somehow.  looks like mp3s are forbidden or blocked or else
18:24:39  <Sacro> god i love sacds
18:25:22  <frosch123> DaleStan: grfcodec: "info.cc:159: error: 'INT_MAX' was not declared in this scope" needs "#include <limits.h>" for me
18:26:16  <qkr> why isn't autoreplace working for trains? I have 56 trains and it replaced 22 but then stopped
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18:26:52  <frosch123> not enough money? group replace protection? engine no longer available? ...
18:27:41  <qkr> none of those
18:28:12  <Belugas> any loan left?
18:28:15  <frosch123> is there any difference between the trains which got replaced, and those which were not?
18:28:39  <qkr> it's replacing now when I restarted it, but still going really slowly
18:28:49  <qkr> no loan or difference
18:29:16  <frosch123> "really slow"? they are only replaced when they enter a depot
18:30:02  <qkr> it replaced first 22 trains, then stopped and I restarted it, now it has replaced only 4 in a long time
18:30:41  <frosch123> enable "vehicle advice" in news settings, maybe it tries to tell you something
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18:31:08  <frosch123> or follow a vehicle which you expect to be replaced
18:31:20  <qkr> I have that on...it's still replacing, it's just really slow...maybe that's normal
18:31:34  <qkr> trains just go past depots mostly
18:33:01  <Alberth> qkr: they don't look for depots for replacement. They have to visit them for some other reason first.
18:33:21  <Alberth> qkr: eg regular maintenance
18:33:25  <qkr> oh...
18:33:50  <qkr> that's the problem then, thx
18:34:34  <DaleStan> frosch123: Got it. Apparently my <ios> (so all <*stream> headers too) includes limits.h.
18:35:03  <Alberth> qkr: there is a button 'send all to depot'. not sure you want to use it, as it quite disrupts your services
18:35:16  <frosch123> thanks :)
18:35:19  <Yexo> Alberth: if they have no other reason to go to a depot (servicing is off and no goto-depot orders), they will go to a depot for autoreplace/autorenew
18:35:47  <Alberth> Yexo: oh. didn't know that. thanks for the info.
18:35:58  <qkr> I have servicing on, that's the prob
18:37:11  <Alberth> qkr: I like the behaviour, it makes replacement run nicely gradually. Just turn it on, and start doing other things.
18:38:16  <frosch123> [20:36] <Alberth> Yexo: oh. didn't know that. thanks for the info. <- see FS#1762 for the downsides :p
18:45:19  <Alberth> frosch123: hmm, one of my issues. You are right, autoreplacing is quite a mine-field. You must make sure you have all conditions matched otherwise the game may start doing weird things.
18:49:09  <Alberth> The dev blackbook about the window system is quite outdated. It still discusses window functions, and WE_* events. Hmm.
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18:51:02  <frosch123> the "dev blackbook" has been outdated long before I started with ottd :)
18:53:57  <Eddi|zuHause> there is a "dev blackbook"?
18:56:09  <Belugas> yup.  contains  names like yorick, jez and such fun people
18:56:37  <Sacro> me?
18:56:42  <Eddi|zuHause> that's a "blacklist" :p
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19:01:50  <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Image:BlackBook.png <- not really a book, more like a booklet
19:02:40  <TrueBrain> looks nice :)
19:03:24  <Alberth> It should be thicker, so people are sufficiently scared away.
19:03:51  <De_Ghosty> looks like a passport
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19:10:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i think in the long run we need some kind of QA layer in bananas...
19:11:09  <Eddi|zuHause> and if it's just a voting system...
19:11:31  <dihedral> voting aint good for qa
19:11:39  <dihedral> you can see that in the forums
19:11:57  <frosch123> or on fs :p
19:12:27  <Sapakara> Hi guys
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19:12:51  <Sapakara> dihedral I started my server as a Dedicated server
19:12:57  <Sapakara> and now it works
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19:13:18  <Alberth> oh dear
19:13:21  *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd
19:15:18  <Sapakara> but I need some more info about the Dedicated server and wiki has minium info
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19:18:15  <dihedral> Sapakara, do i know you?
19:18:53  <Sapakara> You responded on myt forum thread :-)
19:19:25  <dihedral> ah... which one?
19:19:43  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so i need an idea what to do the next half hour, before heroes is done
19:19:44  <dihedral> found it
19:19:49  <Sapakara> ok
19:19:50  <dihedral> congrats for getting it to work ;-)
19:20:16  <Sapakara> But were can I find more info about the dedicated server> Wiki has minimal
19:20:50  <Yexo> by searching the forums, if you can't find your answer, ask here/on the forums
19:20:56  <dihedral> what are you looking for?
19:21:03  <Sapakara> I like to know how can use the server company or isn't that possible?
19:21:28  <Yexo> on a dedicated server the server doesn't join a company, that would be pointless
19:21:42  <dihedral> dedicated servers are dedicated servers ;-)
19:21:57  <Sapakara> ok so only the clients play
19:22:18  <dihedral> yes
19:22:19  <Yexo> if you want to play on the server, that's possible, but then it isn't a dedicated server anymore
19:22:22  <dihedral> and the ai's :P
19:22:24  <Yexo> it's all in the name :)
19:22:25  <dihedral> sorry petern
19:23:09  <Sapakara> ok thx then I shall to play
19:23:22  <petern> ?
19:23:52  * Alberth waves 'hai, you're back!' to Eddi|zuHause
19:24:00  <dihedral> ^^
19:24:03  <el_en> out of the water!
19:24:08  <dihedral> ai's <- apostrophe
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19:24:40  <Alberth> hello Wolf
19:24:40  <el_en> hello Wolf01
19:24:44  <Wolf01> hello
19:26:03  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how long ago did we have that discussion that the "two divers meet..." joke also works in finnish?
19:26:39  <el_en> maybe a month ago or so.
19:26:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i was not here a month ago... it's more like a year ago
19:27:36  <el_en> could be two months, but most certainly it was this year.
19:28:04  <petern> bah, now ninjam crashed :s
19:28:16  <TrueBrain> poor petern
19:28:21  <TrueBrain> maybe you should start development of that tool again
19:29:07  <Xaroth> o_O
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19:29:24  <el_en> Eddi|zuHause: it was 21st Feb 2009 at 23:56 CET.
19:30:40  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have no sense of time...
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19:34:22  <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: you don't need it, computers are much better and accurate at remembering
19:35:02  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not about remembering
19:35:09  <Eddi|zuHause> it's about ordering the memories
19:39:21  <petern> aaaaan again
19:39:47  * petern blames xruns
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19:52:18  <Willisterman> evening
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19:57:30  <Willisterman> I've been searching the forums and wiki, but not found an answer, and thought I'd ask here before posting on the forum again
19:58:11  <Willisterman> is the a ./configure option for output dir?  --install-dir doesnt seem to work
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19:59:05  <Noldo> --prefix-dir
19:59:22  <Noldo> and --help
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20:01:12  <Willisterman> i used --prefix-dir, and compilation crashed last time, so I assumed it was from that
20:01:19  *** paul_ [~paul@host86-145-28-101.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:01:26  <Willisterman> but I'll try again, might have been something else
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20:05:58  <Xaroth> ./configure --help ?
20:06:59  <Willisterman> yup, i used configure --help to get all the other infomation, and from that tried both --install-dir and --prefix-dir, when both failed I started searching, and when that failed I cam here
20:10:12  <Noldo> the follow up might be "how did it fail?
20:10:13  <Noldo> "
20:11:08  <Willisterman> Last time i got a gcc error while using prefix-dir, which I assumed was related to it, but I'm giving that one another try :)
20:13:06  <Willisterman> hmm, still get nothing in the directory
20:13:11  <Willisterman> ./configure --enable-dedicated --personal-dir=""  --prefix-dir="/home/craig/dedicated"
20:13:23  <Alberth> make
20:13:26  <Alberth> make install
20:13:27  <Willisterman> yes :-P
20:13:36  <Willisterman> make install?
20:13:45  <Willisterman> wiki just mentions make
20:13:51  <Willisterman> not make install
20:13:56  <Alberth> 'make' builds, 'make install' installs (copies to dest)
20:14:21  <Willisterman> aha!
20:15:23  <Alberth> make help   gives you the make cmds
20:16:23  <Willisterman> make install was what I was missing, i'd been following the wiki, which only mentions make, which was fine at the start
20:17:35  <Willisterman> as it was ok for the output to be in bin before, but not now :)  But thats for that
20:21:59  <TrueBrain> google is getting insane ... I can now add an address I want to see next time I search for something .................... isn't that like ... too late?!
20:25:40  <De_Ghosty> lol
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20:25:45  <De_Ghosty> missing make install?
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20:56:18  <Belugas> PA DSS compliancy... NOW... FUCK YOU*!!!!!
20:57:19  <TrueBrain> lol @ Belugas :)
20:57:33  <petern> PA?
20:57:39  <petern> i know PCI...
20:58:05  <petern> payment application... yum
20:58:14  <Belugas> Payment Application
20:58:16  <Belugas> yeah
20:58:24  <Belugas> that means me
20:58:26  <Belugas> in fact
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20:59:17  <Belugas> stupid bureaucracy
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21:00:57  <petern> god yes
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21:07:53  <fjb> Belugas has to be compliant to Belugas?
21:09:25  <Belugas> don't disturb grown ups, kid ;)
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21:11:29  <fjb> Belugas: :-P
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21:13:13  <Wolf01> ladies and gentlemen... good night
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21:13:27  * Belugas is joking, fjb
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21:20:01  <TrueBrain> the latest episode of Chuck is amazing :)
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21:23:14  <Willisterman> yay, my dedicated server now produces a linux client binary, which it zips up and makes available online, with the source, and a dedicated server binary, which it then starts, from the latest autosave
21:23:46  <Willisterman> I've now just got to look into cross-compiling windows binaries, and I think I'm all set
21:24:31  <Willisterman> but i think thats enough for tonight
21:24:33  <Willisterman> thanks all
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21:39:36  <planetmaker> hm... is it on purpose that I can build a drive-through station on roads owned by another company?
21:39:53  <Yexo> there is an advanced setting for that
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21:40:13  <planetmaker> oh, right. :)
21:40:51  <planetmaker> thank you, Yexo :)
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21:41:37  <TrueBrain> pfew, the ugly one has left
21:41:40  <TrueBrain> (ghehe)
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21:43:34  <fjb> Now this is a beauty channel again.
21:43:46  <TrueBrain> it only still stinks
21:43:55  <TrueBrain> but that is because Rubidium is still missing :p
21:44:18  <planetmaker> :O
21:44:32  * planetmaker quickly leaves with a good night wish for all :)
21:44:40  <TrueBrain> night planetmaker
21:45:06  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: when will the official transition to wt3 take place? :)
21:45:30  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: when I finish it :) Had enough of it last weekend .. maybe I continue next weekdn
21:45:40  <TrueBrain> in theory it is 'ready'
21:45:45  <planetmaker> oh, I thought you were done already... :)
21:45:55  <TrueBrain> there are only a few things that makes it more pretty, that aren't done yet
21:46:04  <TrueBrain> like a string glx keeps bitching about :p
21:46:17  <TrueBrain> or the fact that if a developer renames 1500 keys of strings, history and markers goes lost :p
21:46:18  <planetmaker> k :) I'm just curious :)
21:46:27  <TrueBrain> it misses a 'forum'
21:46:29  <planetmaker> hehe. Frenchmen.
21:46:39  <TrueBrain> and a way to read settings
21:46:39  <planetmaker> oh... that is bad... loosing stuff ;)
21:46:47  <TrueBrain> also the link to strgen to read the pragmas
21:46:59  <TrueBrain> and .. well .. most important maybe: user authentication and authorization
21:47:01  <petern> yeah, like losing a decent sql server for something shit
21:47:03  <TrueBrain> well .. that is the end of my list :)
21:47:21  <TrueBrain> omg ... does he start about that again?! Will he ever give that a rest?!
21:47:50  <planetmaker> he... why login. Free access for every fag ;)
21:48:01  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: yeah ... I just don't want to do the reverts :p
21:48:16  <planetmaker> hehe :)
21:48:49  <TrueBrain> after that there is the all known code-cleanup that needs to be done
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21:49:08  <TrueBrain> somehow I need to fix the slowness of walking through 'by changed time'
21:49:15  <TrueBrain> I now issues 169 queries for 1 page ...
21:49:19  <TrueBrain> might be a bit over-the-top :p
21:49:33  <petern> "your rod will be a faultless weapon"
21:49:37  <petern> ahh, spam
21:49:42  <planetmaker> hm... :) does it really matter?
21:49:44  <TrueBrain> hmm .. spam ...
21:50:01  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: 169 queries for 1 page? Every 'Next' click issues 169 queries?
21:50:04  <TrueBrain> I think tha tmatters, yes :)
21:50:11  <TrueBrain> takes 150ms to generate the page
21:50:23  <planetmaker> :) ok - a bit longer than a google page :)
21:50:50  <SpComb> rewrite in C
21:51:07  <TrueBrain> and then it doesn't issue 169 queries, I tihnk so too yes .. sigh ...
21:51:38  <TrueBrain> anyway, a simple solution would be to add a record which indexes and orders the translations in the correct order
21:51:50  <planetmaker> anyway... at worst you could still drop that option :)
21:51:58  <TrueBrain> but for that I need to rewrite parts of the javascript .. anyway .. you get the point :) Lots to do :)
21:52:16  <TrueBrain> but the construct is done, so I say 80% done :)
21:52:23  <planetmaker> he... wasn't aware that there's still so much in the pipe for a roll-out :)
21:52:34  <TrueBrain> that is why I share it ;)
21:52:40  <TrueBrain> oh, I forgot: also ened to add true saving :)
21:52:44  <TrueBrain> and automated commit
21:52:47  <TrueBrain> and commit-log creation
21:52:53  <planetmaker> :)
21:53:00  <planetmaker> nice :)
21:53:03  <TrueBrain> but that can be done in minutes :p
21:53:23  <TrueBrain> (saving is a missing trans.save(), automated c ommit is amissing 'svn commit', and log creation takes a tiny bit more time :))
21:54:04  <TrueBrain> 7 python lines
21:54:18  <planetmaker> hehe. Bits and pieces... anyway. I should try to find my bed :)
21:54:18  <TrueBrain> yeah .. would take a tiny bit more time :) Ghehe :) Maybe I should write the lines instead of tihnking them up in my head alone :p
21:54:24  <TrueBrain> yeah, good night :)
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21:54:34  <TrueBrain> ghehehehe :)
21:54:40  <planetmaker> :)
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21:57:06  <TrueBrain> hmm .. bed .. good idea btw :) Night all!
21:57:23  <SmatZ> bye bye TrueBrain! :)
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