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Log for #openttd on 30th May 2009:
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00:00:00  <Yexo> try "svn up" first to get the latest, try if that works
00:00:04  <theholyduck> silly me
00:00:10  <theholyduck> i had 2 openttd src dirs
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00:00:13  <theholyduck> and i cded into the bugged one
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00:00:32  <theholyduck> now it works
00:00:38  <Yexo> ok, good :)
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00:00:54  <theholyduck> i really should clean up ~/usr/src
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00:03:13  <theholyduck> meh, i forgot to do make -j4 ;(
00:03:19  * theholyduck hates waiting for compiles to finnish
00:03:40  <Yexo> you can ust interrupt make with ctrl_c and start it again with -j4
00:03:59  <theholyduck> Yexo, well yeah, but i fear that 1 day, im going to wreak my box doing that :P
00:04:10  <Yexo> what could go wrong with that?
00:04:15  <theholyduck> also i'm used to compiling mplayer, wich wll stab you in the face at the slightest provocation
00:04:34  <theholyduck> basicly i'm afraid of doing anything that might in any small way make the compiler hate me
00:04:38  <theholyduck> SUPERSTITION!
00:04:49  <theholyduck> i COULD make clean and restart
00:04:51  <theholyduck> but, effort
00:05:02  <theholyduck> its done now anyway
00:05:03  <Yexo> why would you do make clean?
00:05:20  <theholyduck> Yexo, paranoia and suprestition mostly
00:05:32  <theholyduck> mplayer has runined me
00:05:35  <Yexo> well, feel free
00:05:46  <theholyduck> i allready finnished the single threaded compile though
00:05:51  <theholyduck> openttd is tiiiny
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00:45:39  <theholyduck> for the timeees, they are a-changiing
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01:46:22  <exi_> hi
01:47:37  <exi_> i'v got a question regarding the multiplayer/online play
01:48:10  <Eddi|zuHause> that's nice for you
01:48:32  <Eddi|zuHause> would you be so kind as to share the question, so everybody could have one?
01:48:40  <exi_> Eddi|zuHause: nicht gleich so unfreundlich :)
01:48:52  <Eddi|zuHause> ^ topic
01:50:41  <exi_> ok, my problem is, i'm hosting a game, all forwardings are set properly, my friend is able to connect, but while sharing the savegame openttd only uses 30kb/s, which is very slow
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01:51:41  <Eddi|zuHause> so, there's a bandwidth limit that you don't know about?
01:51:48  <exi_> no
01:52:11  <Eddi|zuHause> it's 98% your router's fault, and openttd has nothing to do with it
01:52:24  <exi_> hmm, no
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01:52:53  <exi_> iv set many routes, also to our internal server and usually except openttd everything counld upload at 300kb/s
01:53:19  <exi_> it's just openttd that's acting strange
01:54:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i still say it's just correlation, not causality
01:55:45  <exi_> so what do you suggest?
01:55:54  <glx> wifi?
01:56:03  <exi_> glx: no, gigabit ethernet
01:56:17  <glx> torrents?
01:56:20  <exi_> nope
01:56:22  <exi_> nothing
01:56:48  <exi_> total traffic, 15kb/s inbound, 25kb/s outbound
01:57:05  <exi_> so, nearly nothing
01:57:39  <glx> dunno then
01:58:16  <glx> did you try sending a file to your friend ?
01:59:32  <Aali> doesn't ottd use UDP for file transfers?
01:59:57  <Aali> UDP could very well suck balls and you would still see good performance everywhere else
02:00:21  <glx> no it's TCP
02:00:43  <Aali> right
02:02:11  <glx> maybe it's just an overloaded route
02:02:16  <Eddi|zuHause> UDP is only for querying servers
02:02:35  <Eddi|zuHause> not for ingame communication
02:05:02  <exi_> glx: no, my upload to other hosts via sftp is 300kb/s
02:05:30  <exi_> but his download speed is also ~80kb/s from other hosts
02:05:35  <exi_> thats kind of weard
02:06:39  <exi_> and my upload over exactly this forward rule to another host is also 300kb/s
02:07:14  <exi_> ok, my friend is checking his connection...
02:07:46  <exi_> lets see what happens
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02:31:48  <Belugas> apparently, it works hehe
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02:34:25  <exi_> hmm, i'm not in the mood of investigating this any further today
02:34:32  <exi_> so thanks for the try, bye
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02:37:19  * Belugas is on the mood for...
02:37:24  <Belugas> dunno
02:37:27  <Belugas> sleeping, maybe
02:37:45  <Eddi|zuHause> good night ;)
02:37:59  <Eddi|zuHause> it's getting light over here, i should go to bed, too ;)
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05:30:37  <DaleStan> Belugas: How much do you know about feature 0F in OpenTTD? Specifically: If a GRF sets property 08 for feature 0F, will it be disabled? If a GRF sets property 11 for feature 0F, will it be disabled?
05:32:58  <DaleStan> Oh, and one more: If a GRF contains Actions 1, 2, 3, and/or 4 for feature 0F, which (if any) of those will cause the GRF to be disabled? (Assuming the sprite is otherwise valid.)
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07:47:34  <z-MaTRiX> hi
07:47:50  <Bjarni> hello z-MaTRiX
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07:58:54  <z-MaTRiX> do you know girls with 130+ iq?
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08:33:23  <Bjarni>  <z-MaTRiX> do you know girls with 130+ iq? <-- I think so
08:33:34  <Bjarni> but... how is that related to this channel?
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09:01:47  <z-MaTRiX> hey
09:02:33  <z-MaTRiX> Bjarni, if you want to relate it, guess clever girls as programmers
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10:59:18  <z-MaTRiX> hi
11:00:58  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16463 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp window.cpp window_gui.h): -Cleanup: Code style fixes.
11:09:45  <FR^2> hiho
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11:24:00  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16464 /trunk/src/music/libtimidity.cpp: -Codechange (r16422): Added a missing const_cast<>
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11:30:18  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16465 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Eliminated GetGloballyFocusedWidget(), it was used only once.
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11:42:11  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16466 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Improved wording in comments.
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11:47:55  <z-MaTRiX> hey SmatZ ;>
11:52:04  <SmatZ> hello z-MaTRiX
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12:24:01  <Belugas> DaleStan : it's not finished yet (real life block - inspiration lost). As to how the system reacts once a grf tries to load those props, it's totally unknown to me.  If you can spare a sample, i might tell you or even correct the system, given time, of course
12:24:12  <Belugas> if even it is broken, of course ;)
12:26:35  <frosch123> morning belugas :)
12:41:46  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16467 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Unduplicate setting of widget focus (with thanks to Smatz).
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12:51:55  <Belugas> hello frosch123 :)  sorry, was doing home cleaning routine
12:51:58  <Belugas> still am
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13:43:33  <Hirundo> @seen TrueBrain
13:43:33  <DorpsGek> Hirundo: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> you catched on on that? :)
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14:17:59  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16468 /trunk/src/osk_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use GetWidgetOfType() for finding an edit box.
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17:09:29  <DaleStan> Belugas: I can test myself, then.
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17:17:56  <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=792478#p792478 <- I propose sirxavius as project manager
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17:20:29  <Eddi|zuHause> lmao :p
17:20:42  <Rubidium> I propose someone and You
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17:20:58  <Eddi|zuHause> @seen you
17:20:58  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: you was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: * You have been kicked.
17:22:11  <SmatZ> hehehe
17:23:30  * frosch123 is quite impressed that the first thing you need is a project manager
17:24:43  <Eddi|zuHause> not only does it need a project manager, it needs a BIG project manager
17:25:12  <Rubidium> so should it be an American?
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17:32:05  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: translators * r16469 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt luxembourgish.txt):
17:32:05  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-05-30 17:31:31
17:32:05  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 6 fixed by Chilli (6)
17:32:05  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 290 fixed, 793 changed by *jigo* (1083)
17:32:52  <andythenorth> 'Scuse me if I'm being dense, or missing something obvious in the TTDPatch wiki...is there a newgrf method for an industry to trigger a player alert (news or similiar)?
17:34:14  <glx> there are 2 callbacks able to return a news message
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17:36:36  <glx> CB 29 and 35
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17:39:14  <andythenorth> Ah thanks.  Tying it to the production change makes sense, that's likely what we'll use to control any changes to an industry.
17:40:00  <frosch123> you can also issue a newsmessage without changing the production with those callbacks :)
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17:43:15  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16470 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r14293): track reservation was drawn at bridge heads in the menu
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17:48:14  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16471 /trunk/bin/data/opntitle.dat: -Fix (r16461): don't test in 0.3.4 when you meant to test in trunk@HEAD.
17:49:12  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it appears to work, but the colour scheme is messed up...
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18:04:58  <mikk36> hey
18:05:15  <mikk36> is the station_spread changeable during multiplayer game ?
18:05:26  <frosch123> try it :)
18:05:50  <glx> but it's probably a server side setting
18:06:37  <mikk36> yeah, but i can't seem to be able to even get the value using setting command over rcon
18:07:20  <mikk36> both "rcon pass setting station_spread" and "rcon pass setting station.station_spread" return the basic informative text
18:10:29  <mikk36> no matter what setting i try to get
18:10:38  <mikk36> it always prints out just the informative text
18:10:39  <SmatZ> mikk36: rcon pass "setting station_spread"
18:10:44  <SmatZ> or so
18:10:51  <mikk36> hm
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18:11:35  <mikk36> ok, that works ::)
18:11:37  <mikk36> :)
18:11:44  <mikk36> also, the wiki has been left unchanged
18:11:52  <mikk36> nothing about the setting command
18:12:11  <mikk36> list_patches should also be changed to list_settings i guess
18:12:11  <Alberth> well, it's a wiki ;)
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18:12:37  <mikk36> aha, both list_patches and list_settings work
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19:37:36  <dihedral> svn info -r {"2009-03-30 20:00:00"} svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
19:37:44  <dihedral> svn: Failed to find time on revision 8235
19:37:53  <dihedral> that's odd ....
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19:40:26  <dihedral> svn info -r {"2009-03-30 20:00:00"} http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src
19:40:34  <dihedral> svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default'
19:40:40  <dihedral> svn: REPORT of '/!svn/vcc/default': 500 Internal Server Error (http://svn.openttd.org)
19:40:53  <frosch123> "svn log -r8230:8240 svn://svn.openttd.org" <- someone messed there :)
19:41:54  <dihedral> frosch123: however, other days it works perfectly fine
19:42:06  <dihedral> e.g. yesterday
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19:44:57  <frosch123> dihedral: I guess it does some binary search in the revisions :) 8235 is HEAD/2 :)
19:45:56  <dihedral> still odd how it can work some days and not others
19:46:12  <FauxFaux> Scary.
19:46:12  <Bjarni> that's not weird
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19:46:18  <Bjarni> the bug knows how to tell the time
19:46:22  <dihedral> thought i could imagine the logs of folders one has no access too looks like
19:46:25  <frosch123> dihedral: because not every day 8235 is HEAD/2 ?
19:46:51  <dihedral> frosch123: hehe :-P
19:46:55  <Bjarni> I read about a bug which was only triggered on certain times. The minutes had to be something specific meaning the bug showed up once every hour
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19:47:15  <dihedral> frosch123: other days it's not HEAD/2 either :-P
19:47:32  <dihedral> and i have been seeing the results of this for the past - dont as me how long - some weeks now
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19:48:39  <dihedral> + a simple svn info works
19:49:12  <frosch123> dihedral: either you do not understand me, or I do not understand you, or both
19:49:36  <dihedral> svn info svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src <- works
19:49:52  <dihedral> svn info -r 14670 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src <- works
19:50:01  <SmatZ> @calc 14670 / 2
19:50:01  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 7335
19:50:09  <frosch123> dihedral: does any -r {date} work for you today?
19:50:13  <SmatZ> @calc 16470 / 2
19:50:14  <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 8235
19:50:14  <dihedral> svn info -r {2009-05-30} svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src <- does not
19:50:29  <frosch123> does it start working again once HEAD has reached r16480 ?
19:50:48  <dihedral> we dont have that rev yet
19:50:56  <Eddi|zuHause> quick, make 10 commits :p
19:51:03  <dihedral> ^^
19:51:12  <dihedral> 9
19:51:13  <dihedral> :-D
19:51:21  <frosch123> exaclty dihedral, it does not matter which date you enter, it generally not work today, as HEAD/2 results in an invalid revision
19:51:35  <frosch123> +does
19:52:04  <frosch123> so you have to wait until HEAD/2 does not result in an invalid revision, and it will also work for 2009-05-30
19:52:42  <dihedral> @calc 16471 / 2
19:52:42  <DorpsGek> dihedral: 8235.5
19:52:43  <Eddi|zuHause> or "someone" fixes the revisions
19:52:46  <dihedral> ^^
19:54:27  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: in that case 'someone' would be TrueBrain, and he's gone for the weekend
19:55:06  <dihedral> thee only other person i know who would fiddle about with that, is Rubidium
19:55:24  <dihedral> and i guess he'd wait for TrueBrain to come back :-P
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19:56:44  <frosch123> the only person I know who would care to reroll the repository to insert emty revisons with fictional dates is "someone"
19:57:04  <dihedral> that data is in flat files
19:57:10  <dihedral> it's easily edited
19:57:51  <dihedral> + i dont get why you need to access 'HEAD/2' for an -r {date}
19:58:19  <frosch123> dihedral: wiki/google for "binary search"
19:58:30  <frosch123> and apply it to the problem of finding the revision to a date
19:58:47  <dihedral> true
19:59:21  <dihedral> anyhow
19:59:25  <dihedral> i shall haed to sleeps
19:59:27  <dihedral> night
20:00:44  <glx> so it will fail for HEAD/2 = 10000 too :)
20:04:00  <Bjarni> why is HEAD/2 interesting anyway?
20:04:24  <frosch123> Bjarni: wiki/google for "binary search" and apply it to the problem of finding the revision to a date
20:05:21  <Bjarni> ask svn for a certain date
20:05:29  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i feel like in #groundhog
20:05:46  <Bjarni> I have done that once in a while
20:06:05  <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni: yes. and how would svn then search for that date?
20:06:10  * frosch123 flees to bed
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20:06:44  <Bjarni> read the source and you will know
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20:07:48  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
20:09:19  <Eddi|zuHause> i'll close this case as a "you don't get it"...
20:09:53  <Bjarni> ok
20:10:16  <Bjarni> but I asked because I failed to see the problem ;)
20:11:37  <Eddi|zuHause> ok. let me spell this out for you... in 99.8% of all cases, searching in a sorted list is implemented by binary search, so by 99.8%, the search implemented in svn is a binary search
20:12:07  <Eddi|zuHause> so to find a revision to a date, svn would look at the revision of HEAD/2 [the middle]
20:12:25  <Eddi|zuHause> then it would check if that revision's date is less or more than the given date
20:12:42  <Eddi|zuHause> and jump into the middle of the appropriate subrange...
20:13:05  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16472 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: set vehicle type in SpecializedVehicle constructor instead of constructor of each vehicle type
20:13:07  <Bjarni> but if svn can do this for you then why is this an issue?
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20:13:30  <Eddi|zuHause> because SVN crashes, when HEAD/2 is not a valid revision
20:13:40  <Bjarni> ahh
20:13:52  <Bjarni> now I get it
20:14:15  <SmatZ> :o)
20:14:48  <SmatZ> it also assumes date(revision x) > date(revision x-1)
20:15:13  <SmatZ> maybe it would be nice to be able to disable binary search in this case
20:15:14  <Bjarni> most likely
20:15:17  <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes... the list has to be sorted for binary search to work
20:15:39  <Eddi|zuHause> non-binary search is very slow...
20:16:00  <Bjarni> but it works
20:16:06  <Eddi|zuHause> it would be more appropriately to build a separate index
20:16:41  <Eddi|zuHause> and then search on the index instead of the revisions
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20:44:26  <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16473 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2934](r16442): show all non-effect vehicles in the minimap, not only effect vehicles
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21:16:00  <oskari89> !seen Pikka
21:16:25  <oskari89> Not working here, damn..
21:16:34  <Eddi|zuHause> command character is @
21:16:42  <oskari89> @seen Pikka
21:16:43  <DorpsGek> oskari89: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 4 hours, 1 minute, and 9 seconds ago: <Pikka> planetmaker: but they still own the copyright
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