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00:12:08  <Sacro> god
00:12:19  <Sacro> it's scary to see an Apple ][ on Wikipedia in a glass box
00:12:21  <Sacro> we have 2 upstairs
00:16:55  <fjb> Now start feeling old.
00:17:44  <Sacro> it's older than me :p
00:17:45  <Sacro> I think
00:18:00  <Sacro> Yeah, course it is
00:18:02  <Sacro> 77
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02:20:27  <Belugas> damned... i mist petern :(
02:20:29  * Belugas cries
02:21:01  * Sacro hugs Belugas
02:21:14  <Belugas> well...  thanks
02:21:18  <Sacro> You're welcome
02:21:19  <Sacro> :)
02:23:03  <Belugas> so.... i'll go down and i'll play a bit then
02:24:39  <Sacro> beg pardon? :o
02:24:53  <Sacro> that sounds most deceidedly rude
02:24:54  <Sacro> erm
02:25:11  <Sacro> decidedly
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02:39:49  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone ever tried to run win3.1 in dosbox?
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06:31:53  <petern> poop
06:40:32  <Rubidium> ieuw
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06:58:21  <dihedral> morning
07:00:06  <Noldo> morning
07:00:35  <Yexo> morning
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08:47:18  <HackaLittleBit> mornin
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08:50:35  <HackaLittleBit> Could one of the dev's look at line 960 in tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp , I don't think it belongs there? (DrawBridgeMiddle(ti);)
08:51:03  <dihedral> link?
08:51:13  <dihedral> oh - you mean the original?
08:51:18  <HackaLittleBit> yes
08:51:27  <HackaLittleBit> trunk
08:52:05  <Yexo> it's in an odd place indeed
08:53:22  <Yexo> no, it's correct there
08:53:34  <HackaLittleBit> thank and byby
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08:53:57  <dihedral> bye bye
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09:41:11  <fjb> Hello
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09:56:21  <Belugas> [22:28] <Sacro> that sounds most deceidedly rude   <---  no Sacro, nt at all.  MY music gear is on the basement, as well as the compuer i use for connecting with other players, like petern
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09:58:28  <HackaLittleBit> hello again
09:58:50  <HackaLittleBit> Yexo: I am mistified?????
09:59:15  <Yexo> HackaLittleBit: what's the problem?
09:59:17  <HackaLittleBit> compiled and everything works fine without that line
09:59:28  <Yexo> HackaLittleBit: try to build a bridge over a tunnel entrance
09:59:40  <HackaLittleBit> ok
10:02:45  <HackaLittleBit> got it, did not know that was possible.
10:03:23  <petern> iirc you can build bridges over bridge ramps too
10:03:32  <Yexo> you can indeed
10:03:43  <HackaLittleBit> since when?
10:03:45  <Yexo> that's the DrawBridgeMiddle on line 1039
10:03:50  <Yexo> since a long time
10:03:59  <Yexo> as long as I use openttd at least
10:05:20  <HackaLittleBit> ok, I managed to put signals on the tunnel entrences, I will release my updated signal tunnel patch soon :)
10:05:59  <HackaLittleBit> but now you give me more reason to test
10:09:40  <HackaLittleBit> Thanks guys, see you :)
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10:15:40  <petern> WHY DO YOU GET ALL THE LOVE IN THE WORLD
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12:39:56  <dihedral> can a tutorial not be done by running an ai? :-)
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12:56:17  <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=795276#p795276 <- hehe
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13:16:13  <Belugas> hello
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14:54:22  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16566 /trunk/src/ (airport.cpp airport.h station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: enumify all airport tiles
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14:58:10  <dragonhorseboy> any of you have a massive grf folder?  I'm trying to find one new grf that doesn't have its id on either grfcrawler, openttdcoop, or even the forum -_-
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14:59:01  <dragonhorseboy> 45520600 is the grf id I need
14:59:21  <dragonhorseboy> name isn't any help..its only describing itself as 'Platforms' and no further information
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15:08:37  <dragonhorseboy> oh nevermind someone pmed me it
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15:11:56  <Belugas> dear someone
15:12:09  <Belugas> what would the world be withouth him
15:12:16  <petern> erm
15:12:19  <petern> well
15:12:23  <petern> no, won't answer
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15:12:32  <SmatZ> :-)
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15:29:22  * fjb is not someone.
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15:31:50  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16567 /trunk/src/airport.cpp: -Fix (r16566): some minor corrections
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16:03:58  <Chruker> hmm, was AIMarine.AreWaterTilesConnected changed from 0.7.0 to 0.7.1?  It seems to return true for canals and locks now (which is nice)
16:04:28  <Yexo> not sure, I did make a fix a few days ago though
16:04:28  <frosch123> yexo fixed that yesterday :)
16:04:44  <Yexo> the fix yesterday was for bridge heads
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16:05:13  <Yexo> it wasn't changed from 0.7.0 to 0.7.1
16:05:43  <Yexo> quite possible the fix yesterday was also for locks, now I think of it
16:07:08  <Yexo> how is progress Chruker?
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16:11:34  <Chruker> good, it can now build locks, bridges, canals - still need to tweak the costs
16:12:17  <Yexo> ncie :)
16:12:27  <Yexo> can't wait to see a working AI out of that
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17:10:34  <SHADOW-XIII> Good Evening
17:11:13  <SHADOW-XIII> piracy to stealing is like cp to mv ... :P
17:11:24  <SmatZ> hehe
17:11:27  <SmatZ> hello SHADOW-XIII
17:11:51  <SHADOW-XIII> I would love to change the world but nobody gave me source code :P
17:12:02  <SmatZ> :(
17:12:19  <SHADOW-XIII> knock knock.
17:12:20  <Belugas> #Everybody wants to rule the world
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17:13:11  <SHADOW-XIII> - Knock knock
17:13:11  <SHADOW-XIII> - who's there ?
17:13:11  <SHADOW-XIII> (long pause)
17:13:11  <SHADOW-XIII> - Java
17:13:11  <SHADOW-XIII> - Knock knock
17:13:12  <SHADOW-XIII> - who's there ?
17:13:12  <SHADOW-XIII> - C++
17:13:14  <SHADOW-XIII> - Knock knock
17:13:14  <SHADOW-XIII> - assembler
17:14:44  <SmatZ> :-D
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17:16:02  <SHADOW-XIII> short version of Book of Revelation (Apocalypse of John):
17:16:08  <SHADOW-XIII> killall animals
17:16:08  <SHADOW-XIII> killall people
17:16:08  <SHADOW-XIII> umount /dev/world
17:16:08  <SHADOW-XIII> Halt
17:16:29  <fjb> Eliza gone wild?
17:22:39  * SHADOW-XIII is looking for Chrono Trigger: Chrimson Echoes (Chrono Trigger sequel) ....
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17:51:28  <Eddi|zuHause> <dihedral> can a tutorial not be done by running an ai? :-) <- yes and no. yes, it can build the lines. no, it can not show which buttons to press.
17:54:06  <Eddi|zuHause> you are free to go ahead and add squirrel-functions for moving the mouse cursor
17:54:23  <Eddi|zuHause> saying chat lines might be helpful
17:54:44  <Yexo> chat lines are not possible in sp currently
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17:57:21  <dihedral> true - i forgot about needing to know which buttons to press :-P
17:57:30  <dihedral> thanks for the reply Eddi
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18:22:48  <Alberth> you may want to extend the windows system with a query where a certain widget number in a certain window is. That should be pretty easy imho.
18:24:26  <Alberth> making it easily maintainable would be the main problem in that area.
18:26:49  <Yexo> to make it maintainable the widget enums should be moved to some header files(s)
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18:31:56  <Alberth> or allow querying by name, perhaps.
18:32:25  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16568 /trunk/src/table/station_land.h: -Codechange: rename all arrays with airport-tile sprites
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19:08:08  <_ln> @seen ludde
19:08:08  <DorpsGek> _ln: ludde was last seen in #openttd 34 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 23 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <ludde> ;)
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19:45:00  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16569 /trunk/src/ (airport.cpp station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: remove the gaps in the AirportTiles enum
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20:14:09  <Eddi|zuHause> someone is really out to get those airports...
20:20:21  <Alberth> #gotta catch 'em all!
20:20:57  <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: who knows what might it might bring :p
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20:34:18  <Belugas> The return of the Flying Dutchman
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20:35:39  <Alberth> that's a ship, not an air plane
20:35:47  <Belugas> yeah
20:35:50  <Belugas> butit's flying
20:40:49  <Alberth> wikipedia: "Alle vliegtuigen van de KLM dragen de naam 'The Flying Dutchman'." (all air planes of the KLM (dutch air plane company) carry the name 'the flying dutchman'.)  <-- we seem to have many flying dutchman :p
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20:42:28  <Alberth> hello Nite_Owl
20:42:53  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
20:43:01  <Nite_Owl> Hello Alberth
20:43:23  <Nite_Owl> Beat me at my own game this time
20:43:59  * Alberth wonders about getting excluded /me from 'all' :)
20:44:08  <Alberth> yeah, waiting for the compiler
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20:45:49  <Nite_Owl> I throw out an 'all' and then if anyone responds I get specific
20:46:30  <Alberth> ah. well, thank you for greeting me twice
20:46:49  <Nite_Owl> anytime
20:58:32  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r16570 /trunk/docs/landscape_grid.html: -Doc: 2 small fixes to docs/landscape_grid.html
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21:10:41  <Belugas> time to go home!
21:10:51  <Nite_Owl> later Belugas
21:10:56  <Belugas> night all, all but petern of course...
21:11:01  <Belugas> night nite
21:14:37  <petern> hee
21:14:41  <petern> hurry
21:14:42  <petern> safely
21:15:41  <Yexo> planetmaker: how long should buildling opengfx take?
21:19:02  <Yexo> sorry, it was a local problem
21:30:41  <Ammler> 20secs?
21:30:51  <Ammler> at max
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21:46:55  <dragonhorseboy> any of you had the bug where a new grf still doesn't blank out the default vehicles it was supposed to replace?  I'm looking at several original planes even with russiaplane.grf loaded
21:47:30  <glx> you enabled multiple engines setting
21:47:40  <dragonhorseboy> ohhh
21:47:53  <dragonhorseboy> jeeze..didn't think it was so simple like that seeing other vehicle types weren't affected
21:47:57  <dragonhorseboy> thanks glx :S
21:49:47  <Ammler> hmm, thought, you need to load origvehicels.grf for that case.
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21:56:38  <dragonhorseboy> hmm I disabled (red button) and started map .. even quit and reload openttd .. still same
21:56:46  <dragonhorseboy> wonder if its a minor bug with the is2 build or not
21:57:20  <dragonhorseboy> above Tu-144 I see Dinger 100, etc
21:57:22  <glx> ha you didn't said you were using a patched build
21:57:51  <dragonhorseboy> glx...oh...sorry hehe
21:58:05  <dragonhorseboy> was just trying create my own grf list and the only thing thats not working well is the russiaplane one alone
21:58:06  <dragonhorseboy> :D
21:58:32  <glx> check in clean trunk, if it happens open a bug report
21:59:01  <dragonhorseboy> or I always could just set planes:0
21:59:02  <dragonhorseboy> :)
21:59:07  <dragonhorseboy> heh
22:02:10  <Nite_Owl> go into the console and type resetengines and see what happens
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22:02:20  <Llolipop> http://pitacok.mybrute.com - very interesting ONLINE game ! Try it !
22:03:14  <dragonhorseboy> I guess 2048x512 starting in year 1920 might be enough to really exercise express train networks :)
22:03:42  <dragonhorseboy> first starting with a 2-weeks sleeper train then eventually moving up to only taking several hours by well-crafted ICE's :)
22:03:47  <dragonhorseboy> heh
22:03:55  <dragonhorseboy> nite_owl...ok one second
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22:05:55  <dragonhorseboy> hm doesn't effect one thing
22:06:45  <Nite_Owl> oh well - it was worth a shot
22:06:48  <dragonhorseboy> yeah
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22:07:37  <dragonhorseboy> you doing anything now nite_owl?
22:08:06  <Nite_Owl> maybe the Russian plane set includes those original planes
22:08:17  <dragonhorseboy> nope it doesn't in the ttdpatch version
22:08:19  <dragonhorseboy> thats the odd part
22:08:45  <Nite_Owl> I am cooking dinner
22:08:51  <dragonhorseboy> ah
22:08:54  <dragonhorseboy> me might eat soon :p
22:09:01  <glx> maybe it's a feature of this grf
22:09:10  <Nite_Owl> why do you ask
22:09:17  <dragonhorseboy> otherwise just sorting out various things now (nevermind trying a few quick scenario creating for to find one for tomorrow morning)
22:09:24  <dragonhorseboy> just wondering thats all nite_owl
22:09:44  <Nite_Owl> okay...
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22:12:39  <dragonhorseboy> sometimes I wonder how much fun a scenario for only rvs and ships would be ..
22:12:55  <dragonhorseboy> actually tried one map once a long time ago .. just 4LV grf alone and nothing else
22:13:20  <Chruker> Are there any newgrf that add blimps as an aircraft?
22:13:34  <dragonhorseboy> blimps? not sure
22:13:52  <Nite_Owl> AV8
22:15:17  <dragonhorseboy> hmm would 128x128 be too small for just buses alone?  just asking
22:16:15  <fjb> AV8 has not really blimps.
22:16:35  <Chruker> Any reason why the urls in the 'Content Info' arent clickable?
22:16:41  <Nite_Owl> Zeppelins
22:16:57  <fjb> Zeppeline is no blimp.
22:17:08  <Nite_Owl> true
22:17:33  <glx>  <Chruker> Any reason why the urls in the 'Content Info' arent clickable? <-- hard to do in a portable way
22:17:34  <Alberth> Chruker: OpenTTD doesn't have access to a browser (cross-platform)
22:17:37  <Chruker> huh, what is the zeppeliner then?
22:18:06  <Nite_Owl> it is not a blimp
22:18:12  <Alberth> a large balloon in the form of a cigar that flies in the air
22:18:20  <Chruker> ahh, I was suspecting it was something like that
22:18:35  <Alberth> and in OpenTTD :p
22:18:58  <fjb> Blimp is a "soft" airship, blown up like a balloon. Zeppelin is a rigid airship.
22:19:03  <petern> it's a petty distinction
22:19:45  <Alberth> didn't know that
22:20:57  <Chruker> so the group would be called airships?  Or is there a better term?
22:21:25  <fjb> Airship is the vehicle class.
22:22:06  * Chruker should really just have read the first wiki page from google instead of keeping to type
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22:22:36  <fjb> There are three subclasses: non-rigid (blimp) semi-rigid (Zeppelin-NG) and rigid (Zeppelin).
22:23:36  <petern> nobody except germans care
22:24:43  <fjb> Hm, blimp is another term for non-rigid airship. But Zeppelin and Zeppelin NG are only examples of rigid and semi-rigid airships, but not alternate terms.
22:24:55  <Alberth> hmm, 4 stupid coding errors in a row. I should stop now :)
22:25:14  <fjb> Germany wasn't the only nation building rigid airships.
22:25:26  <dihedral> petern: not even all germans give a damn
22:25:34  <Chruker> There are still people developing them and trying to make cargo carrying ones
22:27:03  <fjb> Or are carrying tourists or scientific equipment.
22:27:21  <Eddi|zuHause> that was back in the days when germany was leading in some part of the technology
22:28:05  <Eddi|zuHause> the age of the zeppelin ended in 1940
22:29:04  <dihedral> the only thing i could imagine being some kind of fun would be a remote controlled zeppelin
22:29:13  <petern> they exist
22:29:17  <dihedral> esp a lot of fun in building the model
22:29:21  <fjb> Zeppelins were not usefull in WW2, so they were scapped to regain the aluminium.
22:29:25  <petern> or maybe a blimp :p
22:29:25  <dihedral> of course they exist :)
22:29:53  <dihedral> but that is the only thing i could imagine having interest in zepplins
22:31:05  <fjb> Airships are for people who have time and patience.
22:31:27  <dihedral> well then openttd aint the right place for it
22:31:42  <dihedral> people, esp in the forums, cannot wait for patches to go to trunk :-P
22:31:51  <dihedral> they are clearly lacking the patience part
22:33:03  <fjb> That is the advantage of airships. You won't meet people like that aboard an airship.
22:33:23  <dragonhorseboy> hehe
22:33:35  <dragonhorseboy> well just asking but any of you want try an interesting short IS2 scenario?
22:36:31  <dragonhorseboy> if you do..just check server list .. there's one :)
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22:41:42  <dragonhorseboy> either way I'm off irc for now
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22:42:23  <petern> thank god
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22:48:59  <dihedral> you can call me dihedral :-P
22:53:45  <petern> # paranoid polaroid
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22:55:55  <fjb> Bankrupt polaroid...
22:57:07  <Rubidium> fjb: there's a group of investors interested in restarting polaroid
22:57:48  <fjb> Restarting polaroid, or selling cheap chinese digital crap under that brand?
23:01:15  <dihedral> that's up to the person with the most cash
23:01:16  <fjb> Not Polaroid but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMhkV-QCPCw
23:02:23  <KenjiE20> wasn't it someone like Ilford part-funding "The Impossible Project" to relaunch polaroid film?
23:03:08  <KenjiE20> yup, indeed it was http://www.the-impossible-project.com/
23:03:30  <fjb> Fuji is still making instant film (is that the correct english term?), better than Polaroid ever did.
23:03:41  <Rubidium> fjb: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/26/technology/26polaroid.html
23:04:52  <fjb> Rubidium: Thank you.
23:06:42  <fjb> And Ilford is buying everything right now. Last thing they acquired was Kentmere.
23:08:50  <petern> they've not bought me
23:09:11  <fjb> ... yet...
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23:54:54  <SmatZ> http://cdr.cz/ :-)
23:55:01  <SmatZ> I was quite surprised :)
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