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00:09:48 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:22:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:31:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 01:07:01 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485E521.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:37 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-54-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:14:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:48 *** Mattz0r [~null@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 01:18:26 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.111.220] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 01:20:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EFB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:10 <petern> blah de blah 02:02:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228085196.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 02:17:52 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:18:21 <kkb110> hi I have a question about cross-compiling using mingw 02:18:28 <kkb110> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cross_Compiling 02:18:41 <kkb110> at the end....... under "Compiling OpenTTD" section 02:18:49 <kkb110> where should I put those? 02:19:12 <kkb110> I created Makefile.config but it seems it doesn't work 02:25:13 <glx> it's outdated 02:26:00 <glx> just run configure with right args like --host 02:26:13 <glx> use configure --help to get all options 02:31:35 <kkb110> ok thank you 02:32:28 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc atan(22/50)*180/Pi 02:32:28 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 23.7494944929 02:51:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:996:ba54:f8d7:993f] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:09:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:15:39 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-54-119.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:39:11 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:49:10 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:46 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 04:08:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 05:25:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:35:39 <dihedral> morning 05:35:54 <dihedral> i want my bed 05:36:00 <dihedral> my bed wants me 05:36:07 <dihedral> oh how happy could i be 05:38:36 <andythenorth> meh my bed hates me 05:40:11 <andythenorth> but nfo loves me 05:40:15 <andythenorth> do I love nfo? 05:51:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:06:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:23:24 *** alekibango [~alekibang@ip-89-102-3-88.karneval.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36:14 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:38:42 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 06:40:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:46:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:59:31 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:59:59 <andythenorth> nfo: Wagon length callback 11. Usual case is *reducing* wagon length. I have a case with articulated RVs where I need a vehicle to be 12.5% longer (sprites are overlapping). 07:00:20 <andythenorth> possible? 07:11:56 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb03e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:18:44 <SmatZ> andythenorth: nope 07:25:54 <andythenorth> I'll use spacer vehicles with empty graphics then. Looks suckier, but will work 07:28:57 <andythenorth> The real sprites I'm using are shorter than default TTD RVs, but overlap visually when articulated. This seems non-ideal? Default train vehicles are same length as default RVs and do not overlap. 08:17:36 <andythenorth> Or it could be my drawing. Yep, _probably_ that. Nothing to see here. 08:28:25 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:40:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B812C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:42:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:00:06 <dihedral> ... 09:16:02 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:18:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:09 <petern> no 09:26:24 *** hermitek [~hermitek@a40-brn1-5-113.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:33:37 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 09:43:20 <dihedral> :-( 09:45:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:19:25 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E521.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22:26 *** sunkan [~sunkan@c-4f66a284-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 10:22:34 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r16571 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2974](r16322): in some cases, train could be stuck in depot 10:29:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B812C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:48 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeix65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:32:32 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:36:03 *** HirundoAl is now known as Hirundo 10:53:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb03e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:59:25 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:59:30 <dragonhorseboy> hey 10:59:50 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.191.253] has joined #openttd 11:01:04 <dragonhorseboy> any of you know how servers can have backward dates? there's eg one that says it started in janurary 2085 but its current at october 1992 now 11:02:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:06:13 <dragonhorseboy> hey kenjie20 11:06:14 <dragonhorseboy> :) 11:06:20 <KenjiE20> hey 11:11:18 <Alberth> dragonhorseboy: afaik you can reverse date with the cheat menu 11:17:26 <Ammler> isn't one the cfg setting, and the other the save setting? 11:18:15 <Ammler> ie. you start a game at 2000 and then loading a game which is at 1980 11:19:55 <dihedral> i would go with cheat too 11:20:13 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, save the game locally, and load it as single player and then check the cheat menu 11:20:23 <dihedral> if one of them is ticket - you know 11:20:31 <KenjiE20> what Ammler sais was what I was thinking; the startdate is the one set in the [game creation] cfg section 11:21:10 <dihedral> then in theory you can change that value on a running game 11:21:23 <Ammler> I guess, that is possible 11:21:24 <dihedral> and any new query would get the new result 11:21:28 <dihedral> try it 11:21:36 <dihedral> you have a running game, you have openttdlib ^^ 11:23:42 <dihedral> does not work 11:24:13 <dihedral> \o/ i win :-P 11:30:03 <Ammler> :-) 11:30:48 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:13 <Rubidium> game creation date is stored in the savegame 11:31:28 <Muxy> Hello - Kiss from Goulp 11:33:11 <Ammler> Rubidium: what happens with older saves? 11:35:03 <Rubidium> older saves, the TTD/TTO/TTDP kind (from before OpenTTD's own savegame format) use 1950 11:36:30 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:50 <Rubidium> but negative durations are due to cheating back in time (so you can have maglev in 1950) 11:39:35 <dihedral> hehe - let maglev disappear again :-D 11:42:04 <Ammler> http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/prozone/ <-- without cheat 11:42:35 <Ammler> just starting the server and loading a save with "older" date 11:43:04 <dihedral> started the server with -g? 11:43:11 <Rubidium> oh, that bug that the 'starting date' wasn't updated if you change the date in the scenario editor 11:43:29 <Ammler> no 11:43:43 <Ammler> I start server with new game on 1900 11:43:48 <Ammler> make a save 11:43:57 <Ammler> start another server with gamestart 1975 11:44:05 <Ammler> I load the other save there. 11:44:06 <dihedral> then it's your own silly fault 11:44:07 <dihedral> :-P 11:44:33 <dihedral> probably that though would happen with loading any game during another game 11:44:33 <Rubidium> odd, very odd 11:44:46 <dihedral> not that is happens very often, but .... 11:44:56 <dihedral> Ammler :-P -> bugs. ... :-D 11:44:57 <dihedral> hihihihi 11:45:08 <Ammler> dunno, if that is a bug :-) 11:45:12 <dihedral> sure is 11:45:33 <dihedral> try loading the sav with -g at game start 11:45:37 <dihedral> and see what date you get 11:46:25 <Ammler> same 11:46:31 <Ammler> still - 11:46:49 <Ammler> well, as you lost, you can make the report :P 11:47:32 <dihedral> i did not lose ;-) 11:47:55 <dihedral> i never lose - i dont just always win *cough& 11:49:49 <Ammler> but changing the starting_year on running game has indded no influence. 11:50:17 <Ammler> (why is it possible then?) 11:52:10 <Ammler> maybe it has something to do with setting name change, wasn't that thing called start_date or soemthing in past? 11:52:23 <Rubidium> it's something *stupid* in the server code 11:52:30 <Ammler> :-) 11:53:33 <dragonhorseboy> sorry was distracted by game 11:53:36 <dragonhorseboy> fair enough ;) 11:54:17 <Ammler> you catched a fly. 12:02:14 <dragonhorseboy> I'm just playing the public beta is2 server with a decent player now ;) 12:02:28 <dragonhorseboy> petern sure left many unfinished businesses as I can note 12:03:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16572 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Codechange: also catch FPEs in saveload and the warning about missing NewGRFs; only happens when assertions are disabled and NewGRFs are missing. 12:04:05 <petern> i what? 12:06:44 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16573 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Fix: [Network] Always send the starting date from the game you're currently playing instead the starting date from the config file. 12:07:45 <ccfreak2k> What is -g. 12:08:16 <Rubidium> read the manual? 12:08:29 <ccfreak2k> That's a silly switch for a program to have. 12:08:32 <Ammler> ./openttd -h 12:09:28 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E521.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:09:33 <fjb> Hello 12:11:55 <petern> heh, cool 12:12:01 <petern> just had a flyby go overhead 12:12:13 <petern> 6 formations 12:13:30 <petern> 55 aircraft 12:13:49 <ccfreak2k> I guess -g does nothing then. 12:14:32 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: it uninstalls the game, you need root privileges for that 12:14:44 <petern> by overhead, i mean literally 12:14:58 <petern> nearly blinded myself cos that's where the sun is too :p 12:15:20 <SmatZ> :-) 12:16:49 * _ln visited a German navy mine-seeking ship today [x] 12:20:25 <petern> hmm, 1000 ft 12:20:28 <petern> approx 12:20:31 <petern> nice 12:21:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4532:8cc4:671b:940c] has joined #openttd 12:21:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:27:28 <dragonhorseboy> hey glx :) 12:31:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80C61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:34:07 <_ln> petern: what type of aircraft? 12:38:28 <petern> unfortunately not a clue 12:38:36 <petern> well, there were the red arrows, they're obvious 12:39:04 <_ln> cool 12:40:27 <petern> http://sharpshooter-maj.com/Images/bv18/QBF05.jpg 12:41:02 <petern> one of those at least 12:41:10 <petern> different aircraft in each formation 12:50:44 <petern> ah, VC10 12:51:10 <Rubidium> with yet another project file format 12:51:15 <petern> what? 12:51:41 <Rubidium> oh, you're talking about a plane and not that MS thingy? 12:51:44 <petern> yeah 12:52:09 <Rubidium> sounded a bit like you found the beta of VC10 12:58:23 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeix65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 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[~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 14:01:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:02:54 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:39 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:25:26 <_ln> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html 14:32:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: well, that is a long ongoing practice in eastern germany... 14:46:37 *** hermitek [~hermitek@a40-brn1-5-113.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: eh, who?] 14:47:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: orudge] 14:49:55 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 15:03:50 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:05:27 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:37:27 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:43:23 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of sucky forum doesn't allow searching as guest user... 15:47:49 <SmatZ> many forums even forbid anonymous users to view threads... 15:54:51 <glx> I consider these as bad forums :) 15:55:01 <_ln> -as 16:02:02 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:51 *** _ln was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [+as] 16:04:16 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:12:15 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 16:18:26 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:24:38 *** LordAzamath [~rightwing@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 16:47:07 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.41.241] has joined #openttd 16:47:33 <HackaLittleBit> good afternoon 16:55:37 <andythenorth> hello 17:16:48 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:10 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.41.241] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:35 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: in that article earlier: "Unemployment is now approaching 20 per cent and the total population has almost halved" <- really, that sounds like any east german city 17:34:51 <_ln> nice :/ 17:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> basically that means, the USA are now, where the eastern block was 20 years ago 17:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and we all know what happend to that one ;) 17:40:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:40:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:42:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23672.linc.ox.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:43:01 <_ln> someone has scanned and put online an old editorial (from 1981) from some finnish newspaper, where the author's point is that he disapproves how finnish universities are spending resources on researching some totally useless wireless phones, while everyone knows that foreign trade of metal industry products to Soviet Union will be the most important income for Finland for the next 100 years. 17:51:19 <Alberth> doing prophecies in hindsight is always much easier. 17:53:42 <_ln> i mentioned that to emphasize how unexpected it was back then the SU would only exist for another 10 years. 17:55:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the point of researching something totally useless is to get it into a state where it becomes not totally useless anymore 17:56:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.163.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:56:58 <Eddi|zuHause> like 20 years from now we could steer computers by putting on a hat that measures the brain waves 17:57:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the technology for that is there, it just needs to be researched and developed into a useful and stable product 17:57:43 <_ln> in 6 years we'll have flying cars 17:57:48 <_ln> (source: Back to the Future II) 17:57:49 *** MYOB [~vision@86-42-213-46-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:00 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BD7DE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:51 <Wolfsherz> i just don't get this signaling-stuff... really, there seem to be different opinions on this topic anyway, but who can tell my when to choose block or path signals? 18:04:30 <glx> _ln: flying cars already exist 18:06:12 <dihedral> Wolfsherz, preference has to do with it 18:06:32 <dihedral> i.e. someone might prefer using pbs, Mark would never use pbs if he can avoid it 18:06:36 <glx> and mixing them is usually a bad idea 18:06:44 <dihedral> if you want to build something like nand gates, you'd not use pbs either ;-P 18:06:55 <SmatZ> freezing prisons should be here since 2006 according to demolition man 18:07:46 <Wolfsherz> ok about this mixing of pbs and block signals. lets assume i have 2 terminus-stations, i connect them with a double track, each for one direction... 18:08:36 <Wolfsherz> which signals would you chose, how many tiles between each signal, and why? 18:09:25 <Wolfsherz> and i guess pre-, exit- and block-signals are neither pbs nor block - true? 18:11:20 <Alberth> heh? block signals are not block signals? 18:11:32 <Wolfsherz> sorry, combo... 18:13:39 <Alberth> I use pbs for all 'complicated' crossings, eg in front of a station, with more than minimal track to improve throughput. For RORO platforms, I use plain combo signal for behind the platforms, and along the straight track (I hate it when trains drive in the 'wrong' direction). 18:14:57 *** henry_ [~henry@host86-130-209-10.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:15:05 *** henry_ is now known as Maragil 18:15:07 <Maragil> Hello 18:15:22 <Alberth> trick with pbs is that you only need to put them where a train can safely stop, whereas with a combo signal, you'd try to minimize the block size to get better throughput 18:15:24 <Maragil> I've just downloaded the latest generic binaries from your website/ 18:15:29 <Noldo> Maragil o/ 18:15:36 <Maragil> for Linux 18:15:58 <Maragil> and i need to get libicui18n.so.38.. 18:16:02 <Maragil> can anyone help me? 18:16:20 <Noldo> which distro? 18:16:24 <Maragil> first time at playing this, trying it out - i'm a simutrans player :D 18:16:29 <Maragil> OpenSuse 11.1 18:17:46 <Noldo> it might be in a package names libicu38 18:17:58 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@lincdhcp23672.linc.ox.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5b99/20090605162636]] 18:18:02 <Maragil> hmm 18:18:04 <Maragil> thanks/ 18:18:07 <Alberth> My machine says it is in the libicu-3.8.1-7.fc9.i386 RPM 18:18:30 <Maragil> I'm using gnome- can anyone give me a step by step guide? 18:18:49 <Maragil> go to Install Software i guess? 18:18:59 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/GNU/Linux#SuSE_10.1 this may be handy 18:19:04 <Maragil> tyvm 18:19:09 <Wolfsherz> thank you alberth, so the typical distance between pbs-signals on a long track would be? 18:19:56 <Alberth> Maragil: pretty much everything is at the wiki, more or less up-to-date, just search for it 18:20:12 <Ammler> [20:16] <Maragil> OpenSuse 11.1 - [20:18] <Maragil> I'm using gnome- can anyone give me a step by step guide? what now? 18:20:30 <Maragil> ok :D 18:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Maragil: i was under the impression, openttd was in one of the community software repositories for suse 18:21:33 <Maragil> it is.. 18:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause> then install that one? 18:21:45 <Maragil> but when i run it i get this error : 18:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of the generic one 18:21:54 <Alberth> Wolfsherz: pbs reserves a path for the train until the next safe point, usually the next signal. Thus that will be the smallest distance you can have between 2 trains 18:22:02 <Maragil> cannot open file "sample.cat" 18:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, well, the readme tells about that. 18:22:20 *** strongfrakk [strongfrak@54030138.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 18:22:28 <Maragil> about the sample.cat? 18:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 18:22:54 <Maragil> where's the readme? 18:23:10 <Wolfsherz> Maragil, you need to get this file, and some others, as stated in the readme, from the original ttd-game. 18:23:19 <strongfrakk> Maragil: you need to download the Transport Tycon Deluxe + OpenTTD 18:23:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "Notice: 18:23:27 <Maragil> ah. 18:23:28 <Eddi|zuHause> OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe 18:23:29 <Eddi|zuHause> data files in order to function. Please refer to the readme for 18:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> more information." 18:23:32 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 18:23:41 <Maragil> do you need to buy those? 18:23:42 <strongfrakk> Maragil turn to torrents 18:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> says it right there in the package description 18:24:04 <Wolfsherz> they are freely available in the internet... the game has been abandoned 18:24:07 <Maragil> ok 18:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Maragil: you can try opengfx 18:24:08 <Maragil> thank you 18:24:10 <strongfrakk> Maragil: www.torrentz.com keyword openttd 18:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> strongfrakk: please don't do that 18:24:33 <strongfrakk> ok sorry 18:25:04 <Alberth> Maragil: readme is at the download page in the first blurb of text. 18:25:10 <Maragil> i went there- 18:25:36 <Maragil> oh well- thank you al 18:25:42 <Maragil> i'm downloading the files now 18:25:50 <Maragil> thanks for your help! 18:25:50 <Alberth> section 4.1, line 161 :) 18:25:55 *** Maragil [~henry@host86-130-209-10.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26:15 <strongfrakk> Alberth: what are you talking about ? 18:26:23 <Alberth> readme 18:26:49 <Alberth> or did you mean the pbs stuff? 18:27:30 <MYOB> anyone know what was the last version that built with GCC2? 18:27:31 <strongfrakk> i meant about section 18:28:10 <Alberth> strongfrakk: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/readme.txt <------ online readme file, from the 'download' page. 18:28:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:02 *** Skiddles is now known as orudge^ 18:29:04 <strongfrakk> im on it 18:30:12 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:30:14 *** orudge^ is now known as shag^2 18:32:24 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:33:57 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:43 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 18:45:12 <glx> MYOB: we dropped gcc2 support 18:45:49 <MYOB> glx I'm aware of that, I wanted to know what was the last version before it was dropped 18:46:20 <glx> I can't remember if noai worked with it 18:46:53 <glx> SmatZ should know better 18:47:39 <SmatZ> MYOB: before it was dropped or last version that compiled with gcc2? 18:48:03 <SmatZ> ah 18:48:04 <SmatZ> hmm 18:48:07 <SmatZ> maybe some ~15500 18:48:29 <SmatZ> I think there were several builds that compiled with NoAI 18:48:33 <MYOB> I'll give it a search.. 18:48:43 <MYOB> just have some people looking for a final version for 'classic' BeOS 18:49:16 <SmatZ> 0.7 will compile if you drop NoAI and do some wchar fixes 18:50:29 <MYOB> last build I put out publically is from pre-0.5 svn, so even 0.7 hacked at a bit is a big leap 18:51:05 <glx> 0.6 should compile :) 18:52:05 <MYOB> we FINALLY have a GCC4 option... 18:52:21 <glx> use that then :) 18:52:34 <glx> and drop gcc2 18:53:02 <MYOB> you have to be using haiku-gcc4 for that 18:53:16 <MYOB> for BeOS 5, 6 (Zeta) and Haiku-gcc2 its a nogo 18:53:41 *** strongfrakk [strongfrak@54030138.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 18:56:23 <SmatZ> MYOB: actually it seems anything >= r15024 is a no-go 18:57:01 <SmatZ> so the problem preventing gcc2 to compile noai was solved before the merge... but then other appeared, which was never solved :) 18:58:56 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 15024 18:58:57 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by rubidium :: r15024 /branches/noai/src (6 files in 3 dirs) (2009-01-12 16:28:01 UTC) 18:58:58 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: [NoAI] -Cleanup: remove some hacks 18:59:05 <SmatZ> hmmm 18:59:53 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 15027 18:59:53 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by truebrain :: r15027 /trunk (309 files in 30 dirs) (2009-01-12 17:11:45 UTC) 18:59:54 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Merge: tomatos and bananas left to be, here is NoAI for all to see. 18:59:55 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: NoAI is an API (a framework) to build your own AIs in. See: 18:59:56 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/AI:Main_Page 18:59:57 <SmatZ> this one :-p 18:59:58 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: With many thanks to: 18:59:59 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: (...) 19:01:48 <MYOB> 'remove some hacks' sounds easily like 'remove everything needed for ancient compilers to work' ;) 19:02:22 <petern> no, that was 16492 ;) 19:02:55 <SmatZ> :-) 19:03:10 <SmatZ> it was my mistake, trunk doesn't compile with gcc2 since r15027 19:04:38 <glx> MYOB: 'hacks' were saveload hacks 19:05:53 <MYOB> the configure script (well, config.lib) looks for zlib in locations that we don't have 19:06:11 <MYOB> not sure theres much point providing a patch if I can't guarantee the app even builds on haiku-gcc4 ;) 19:06:40 <glx> you can always pass the path to configure 19:08:12 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 19:12:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:15:21 *** shag^2 [~notme@cm74.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:16:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.111] has joined #openttd 19:17:00 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:23:06 <MYOB> I am so out of touch with the build system here... 19:24:12 *** avdg [~anthony@78-21-56-40.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:24:25 <avdg> long time ago :) 19:24:31 <avdg> o wrong chanel srr 19:24:43 *** avdg [~anthony@78-21-56-40.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 19:29:00 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeix65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 19:47:29 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:54 <andythenorth> players are being helpful :| http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=37912&start=300 19:54:08 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BD7DE.versanet.de] has quit [] 19:55:37 <Alberth> they only found a new place to post their suggestions :p 20:00:36 <andythenorth> I don't like to be mean about them, some are just kids (I think). But some are more annoying than others :( 20:00:46 <andythenorth> bah 20:04:00 <Alberth> you handled it quite nicely, I think 20:34:46 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeix65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:01:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.111] has joined #openttd 21:07:44 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:09:39 *** MYOB [~vision@86-42-213-46-dynamic.b-ras1.cld.dublin.eircom.net] has quit [Quit: Vision[0.9.7-H-090423]: i've been blurred!] 21:11:39 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.206.8] has joined #openttd 21:11:55 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 21:16:13 <Alberth> good evening 21:25:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:43 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:04 *** kennobaka [fellina@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:06:09 *** Frank95 [~Frank@77-98-184-52.cable.ubr02.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:08:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeix65.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:28 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:11:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:14:14 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.206.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:20 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:39 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:56 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:19:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54407e4b.wfd81b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:20:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:28 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl "0 22:23:30 <SmatZ> :-) 22:27:07 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 22:27:30 <Nite_Owl> sorry for the delay - I was called away for a moment 22:33:22 <Belugas> hello 22:33:32 <Belugas> guess who is back to work@work? 22:33:51 <Belugas> luckily form home but still 22:34:41 <Nite_Owl> working from home is slightly better than working from the office 22:34:57 <Belugas> yup 22:35:20 <Nite_Owl> not by much but still better 22:43:18 <Rubidium> Belugas: it's Sunday 00:43, so I hope you get paid extra ;) 22:44:34 <Belugas> i took wednesday off for personal matters 22:44:40 <Belugas> so... give me, i'll give you 22:45:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:18 <SmatZ> no problem :) 22:49:05 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16574 /trunk/src/network/core/game.h: -Codechange: reorder stuff in NetworkGameInfo so compilers waste less bytes aligning stuff and fix the comment of the structs. 23:13:57 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:14:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EE25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:19:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:21:32 <petern> oh cool, the 'live' mp3 streaming does actually work 23:33:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76FFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B766A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:47 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:38:22 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest465 23:38:24 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:10 *** Frank95 [~Frank@77-98-184-52.cable.ubr02.pres.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 23:42:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B766A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B766A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.172.60] has joined #openttd 23:44:12 *** Guest465 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.163.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:43 <keikoz> is there a way to know the exact rating my company has in some city ? 23:54:23 <SmatZ> not without a patch 23:56:08 <keikoz> o, thank you