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00:06:48 <petern> er 00:07:01 <petern> well you can look it up in the local authority window 00:07:50 <SmatZ> you don't see exact value there 00:07:56 <SmatZ> just "Good / Excellent..." 00:20:54 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:02 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.53.2] has joined #openttd 00:24:55 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 00:28:02 *** sunkan [~sunkan@c-4f66aafe-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:18 <petern> SmatZ, from a user point of view, that is the value 00:31:52 <SmatZ> petern: true - I am playing with http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/private/mypatches/town_rating_r16414.diff though 00:32:57 <petern> i am playing with my synths 00:34:51 <Belugas> i'm working on my work :( 00:35:14 <SmatZ> :) 00:38:34 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 00:40:44 <HackaLittleBit> and i am going to sleep :) 00:42:16 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87.196.53.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:43:11 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:48:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E521.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:09 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:23:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.191.253] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 01:35:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4532:8cc4:671b:940c] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:36:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:49 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 01:45:17 *** me [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:32:37 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:33:34 *** capleton [capleton@c-94-255-174-82.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Quit: wasted] 02:36:26 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm42.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 02:58:11 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:09:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:18:00 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:39:12 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:13 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:51:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:25:06 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 05:06:37 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80C61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:11:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:38:29 <_ln> http://www.flygradar.nu/karta.php 05:51:29 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:17 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.212.217] has joined #openttd 06:10:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:15:29 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:40:47 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43:23 *** keikoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:49:52 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 06:52:41 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226149230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 06:53:35 <andythenorth> morning. 06:54:00 <andythenorth> drinking coffee not tea today. only way to get through fixing so many sprite offsets :O 06:59:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:57 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 07:14:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:14:26 <Alberth> and a good morning to all 07:42:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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In some screenshots, I've seen this (I think this set) used with TTRS roads. Does anyone know how to achieve this? 11:08:35 <Chrill> I've tried to play around with parameters and similar, to no avail 11:12:41 * Alberth supplies dihedral with some pills to calm down (don't get so upset with SX!) 11:13:55 <dihedral> Alberth, i am not upset :-P 11:14:54 <Alberth> glad to hear that, as it is seems wasted effort :) 11:15:08 <dihedral> no - just the most amusing thread imo :-D 11:15:45 <dihedral> ssh <host> -l <user> -R 1022:localhost:22 <- why aint that working?? 11:16:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:17:14 <Alberth> you must be root to use 1022 ? 11:17:24 <dihedral> ah fuck it :_D 11:17:25 <dihedral> thanks 11:17:50 <Rubidium> if you're talking about ports, then yes... it's less than 1024 11:18:23 <dihedral> yes 11:18:25 <dihedral> sure is 11:19:12 <Alberth> I didn't know ssh could do this. Seems like a nice functionality. 11:25:49 <dihedral> you can even do it in an open ssh session 11:26:21 <dihedral> ~C on a fresh line will give you a local command line on which you can specify a -L or -R 11:31:49 <dihedral> "I wish you the best with your other and future projects, may they be as successful as this one." <- HAHA 11:31:54 <dihedral> like that ^^ 11:33:02 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:33 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 11:40:35 <Alberth> well, he defines success slightly different ;) 11:50:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-14-73-143.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:31 <petern> what a knob 11:52:48 <petern> er, not Brianetta :) 11:52:50 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 11:53:01 <petern> welshdragon 11:53:08 <petern> go and weed my garden, eh? 11:53:11 <Brianetta> hello (: 11:53:20 <dihedral> hello Brianetta 11:53:34 <dihedral> there is weed in your garden petern ? 11:53:34 * Brianetta just re-watched the OpenTTD Visualised video 11:54:02 <welshdragon> petern: no :P 11:54:49 <petern> dihedral, yup[ 11:56:36 <dihedral> i'll visit :-D 12:09:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c1dc:1b2e:4aa6:6a8a] has joined #openttd 12:09:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:12:49 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BCF1B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:40 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:44:09 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:41 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:52:12 *** me [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 12:53:38 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 12:55:27 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:55:44 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has joined #openttd 12:56:11 <Phazorx> me wonders who is responsible for webtranslator tool itself, and wether or not it is GPL? 12:56:31 *** me is now known as zodttd 12:56:38 <Alberth> afaik TrueBrain has built it 12:57:07 <Phazorx> and where is allmight TL these days? 12:57:19 <Alberth> studying 12:57:45 <Phazorx> is there something he doesnt kno yet :o) 12:57:59 <Alberth> apparently :) 12:58:41 <Alberth> or he is just checking he knows everything :) 12:59:02 <Phazorx> one who knows everything should be aware of that fact and would not need checking 13:03:14 <Ammler> is wt3 already in action? 13:05:08 <Alberth> Ask at #openttd.wt3 :) (main page still links to WT2, so I guess not) 13:05:40 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:14 *** Westie [~Westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Upgrading to Lenny] 13:08:57 <Rubidium> wt/wt2 were written by Miham 13:12:06 <glx> and fixed by Rubidium ;) 13:12:27 <Rubidium> please don't call it fixed 13:12:34 <dihedral> wt2 is current translator, afaik it is not under gpl 13:12:38 <glx> well hacked to work 13:12:45 <dihedral> hehe 13:14:51 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm42.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: lulz] 13:17:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 13:27:15 <Phazorx> heya Ammler 13:28:09 <Ammler> sali Phazorx :-) 13:28:21 <Brianetta> In the "OpnTTD Visualised" video, Rubidium is the black hole at the centre of the Milky Way 13:28:46 * Phazorx wonders if there are gpled webtranslators similar to wt2 13:28:59 <Ammler> not gpl, but free 13:29:01 <Rubidium> yeah, I'm not burning yet 13:29:27 <Phazorx> well whichever, i'm looking for one for widelands, which is oepnsource project 13:30:05 <Phazorx> similar to openttd i guess :) 13:31:07 <Phazorx> Rubidium, you should know wether or not wt is public domain and available 13:31:17 <Ammler> maybe this one might help: http://99translations.com/ 13:32:00 <Phazorx> doesntmention svn integration there 13:32:07 <Phazorx> but thanks i'll look into it 13:32:09 <Rubidium> Phazorx: who am I to judge about that? 13:32:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:41 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:32:51 <Phazorx> Rubidium: someone with a clue on how ottd developemtn happens in general? 13:33:06 <Rubidium> WT/WT2 were from before my time 13:33:14 <Phazorx> really... 13:34:39 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.210.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:43 <petern> wt doesn't (didn't?) have svn integration 13:35:17 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm42.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:35:24 <Phazorx> wt2? 13:35:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-14-73-143.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 13:36:01 <glx> it's not a clean integration 13:36:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:36:29 <Phazorx> in my very humble opinion it is better than none and it serves the purpose well 13:36:37 *** westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:36:39 *** westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has quit [] 13:36:44 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:36:47 <Phazorx> there can be a better/easier way but wt2 looks better thanother ones i seen 13:37:25 <Phazorx> which pretty much comes down to launchpad aside of custom solutions 13:37:27 <glx> did you ever try WT2 ? 13:37:46 <Phazorx> long time ago i did something with i 13:37:55 <Phazorx> but not sure wether it was wt or wt2 13:38:04 <Phazorx> beelike 2 years ago or so 13:38:12 <glx> btw it's tailored for openttd string system 13:38:24 <Phazorx> looking at interface now does not look same 13:38:29 <Phazorx> obviously 13:38:41 <Phazorx> tha's why i poundered about GPL 13:39:01 <Phazorx> with freedom to fix/tune for other projects 13:46:17 *** westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:47:25 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@74.57.111.160] has joined #openttd 13:47:39 <dragonhorseboy> any of you from germany or know about their railroad a bit? 13:47:57 *** westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has quit [] 13:49:24 *** Westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:01:53 *** octernion [~octernion@cpe-67-241-21-24.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:48 <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, just ask! 14:10:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:11:40 <dragonhorseboy> fair enough - know what was the name of that one stretch of land bridge over a large expanse of water? i recall it was one rail with long banks on both sides .. probably also was one road parallel to it too 14:11:55 <dragonhorseboy> I recall seeing some photos and I'm sure it was in germany area .. re DB steam locomotives 14:26:35 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F66E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:28:49 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:31:08 <dragonhorseboy> well have to go for a while now anyway 14:31:30 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@74.57.111.160] has left #openttd [] 14:38:36 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 14:39:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:50:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c1dc:1b2e:4aa6:6a8a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:52:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEbf58.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:14 <petern> something about his sentence mannorisms really annoys me :s 15:01:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it annoys me more that he disappears right before i am able to answer him 15:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause> basically every time he asks something... 15:01:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c1dc:1b2e:4aa6:6a8a] has joined #openttd 15:01:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:01:46 <petern> mannerisms, of course 15:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> when he comes back, someone might answer him: he probably meant the "Hindenburgdamm" which connects the island Sylt to the mainland 15:23:48 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:48:57 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:21 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 15:50:56 <Phazorx> 3 15:51:02 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r16575 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix (r15760): Move resize sprite to the right when widget is lowered for RTL languages also. 15:56:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:54 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BCF1B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:11:23 * Wolfsherz says hello to everyone 16:17:53 * Rubidium wonders whether Wolfsherz expects a hello from someone 16:19:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:23 <Wolfsherz> i was just polite. i was tought to greet when entering a "room" ;) 16:20:03 <Wolfsherz> may i ask what the exact purpose of this channel is? 16:21:36 *** octernion [~octernion@cpe-67-241-21-24.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: woop woop] 16:21:36 <Rubidium> I'd say it has something to do with users and OpenTTD 16:23:03 <Tefad> it's like the OpenTTD forums but in realtime 16:25:09 *** strongfrakk [strongfrak@540311C2.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 16:25:41 <strongfrakk> hello , one question, how can i provide the cities with goods ? 16:25:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:26:08 <Sacro> *transport* tycoon 16:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> factories, saw mills and oil refineries produce goods, when provided with raw materials 16:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> cities accept goods when they have enough office buildings 16:26:57 <strongfrakk> wait i 16:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> typically that means 3 16:27:41 <strongfrakk> i have had a factory 16:27:56 <strongfrakk> it gets grain, etc 16:28:12 <strongfrakk> but how can i transport the good to the cities 16:28:20 <Alberth> lay a track? 16:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> with a goods train 16:28:51 <strongfrakk> one more question 16:29:27 <strongfrakk> factory doesnt have summary about the goods, just it said 0 percent goods transported 16:29:55 <Alberth> do you have a station that accepts goods already? 16:30:06 <glx> did you effectively transported goods? 16:30:13 <strongfrakk> Alberth:you mean at city ? 16:30:19 <glx> yes 16:30:25 <Alberth> no at the factory 16:30:52 <strongfrakk> Alberth:can factory accept good ? 16:30:53 <glx> factory produces goods, it usually doesn't accept them :) 16:31:00 <strongfrakk> unlike it produces goods 16:31:24 <Alberth> it produces goods, and if you accept them, they get transported from the factory to your train 16:31:41 <strongfrakk> so i need two station with goods transport between the factory and the city 16:31:50 <Alberth> just like eg coal from a mine 16:32:11 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: think about it as a demand-supply scenario 16:32:11 <Alberth> yes, one at the factory and one at the city. 16:32:14 <glx> you can reuse the grain station 16:32:46 <Alberth> if you transport coal, you do the same. you have 1 station at the mine, and one at the power plant 16:32:50 <strongfrakk> ok thanks, i know the basic transport directions, but there is description about city and goods 16:33:21 <strongfrakk> i havent found guide for it 16:33:56 <strongfrakk> there is not :) 16:34:12 <Alberth> it is not different from any other cargo. It is just that it only gets manufactured if you supply the factory with raw materials 16:34:31 <strongfrakk> yes i have any supply 16:34:41 <strongfrakk> i have enough 16:35:01 <strongfrakk> ok im back to openttd 16:35:04 <strongfrakk> thanks again 16:36:12 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:37:33 <strongfrakk> unfortunatelly, the factory said waiting : nothing 16:37:40 <strongfrakk> it means there is no available goods 16:38:09 <strongfrakk> but as i experienced the grain and livestock are transported well to factory 16:39:01 <strongfrakk> ups after one lap the goods has been apeared :) 16:39:11 <strongfrakk> i said nothing 16:39:31 <Phazorx> this is a failsafe measure to prevent station from producing something before you are ready to move it 16:40:23 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F66E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:23 <Phazorx> industry will only consume cargo unti lthere is a somthing that takes what industry produces 16:41:20 <strongfrakk> who are you talking to ? 16:41:57 <Phazorx> as soon as you create a train/car/plane/ship that capable of carrying goods and make it load on station thatis within factories area of control it will start producing goods and you can move them 16:42:04 <Phazorx> apparently to an echo... 16:43:52 <strongfrakk> q: every broke down wehicle can reach to Depo ? 16:44:40 <Sacro> no, they need a valid path 16:45:02 <strongfrakk> at the first sight they may can 16:45:22 <strongfrakk> Sacro: you state that sometimes they cant ? 16:45:33 <Sacro> Yerp 16:45:47 <Sacro> if they don't have a route to a valid depot then they can't get there 16:46:29 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F66E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:33 <strongfrakk> Sacro: but if they have they will reach 16:46:45 <strongfrakk> Sacro: this is the one and only term ? 16:46:50 <strongfrakk> condition 16:47:46 <strongfrakk> is it worth to deal with trucks ? 16:50:22 <andythenorth> strongfrakk: yes if you use a better vehicle set like eGRVTS 16:50:54 *** goodger__ [~ben@host86-150-195-172.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:13 <strongfrakk> andythenorth:what is that ? 16:51:19 <strongfrakk> i have never head of 16:52:04 <andythenorth> In the OpenTTD title screen, try the 'Check Online Content' button. 16:52:22 <strongfrakk> is there any good guide for winner strategy ? 16:52:27 <andythenorth> Pretty clever. Some smart people have made it easy to add things to the game. 16:52:49 <strongfrakk> im in game 16:53:12 <strongfrakk> i can reach it during the ongoing play ? 16:53:34 <strongfrakk> i have very thin income 16:54:43 <strongfrakk> after 4 years the income is more and more 16:54:53 <strongfrakk> it doesnt sound good 16:55:16 <guru3> 0.7.1... how time flies 16:55:45 <andythenorth> strongfrakk: go to the wrench icon, choose 'newgrf settings', then choose 'check online content'. 16:56:05 <Ammler> 7 years? 16:56:05 <strongfrakk> andythenorth:ok 16:56:08 <andythenorth> but you'd be better off starting a new game. You're probably going out of business anyway :P 16:56:33 <strongfrakk> andythenorth: i have a feeling you are right 16:56:46 <andythenorth> That's the game sometines ;) 16:56:49 *** goodger_ [~ben@host86-153-44-10.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:17 <guru3> feels like 0.3.5 was just yesterday 16:58:24 <strongfrakk> andythenorth: i have it : extended wehicle and tram set eGRVTS 16:58:53 <strongfrakk> I will use it in next game 16:59:27 <strongfrakk> how many kind of cooperative game exist ? 16:59:43 <strongfrakk> just competitive ? 17:00:56 <guru3> there's openttdcoop 17:01:07 <guru3> and banzai for ipv6! 17:01:25 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16576 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Fix: show the line of the translation file that has the fault and not the line of the string in english.txt. 17:01:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe892.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:01:48 <strongfrakk> guru3: can you explain them ?:) 17:02:13 <guru3> openttdcoop is a group of players that like to play cooperatively to build huge networks 17:02:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16577 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Fix: signed/unsigned comparison 17:02:22 <guru3> there's nothing particularly defining about cooperative gameplay 17:02:30 <guru3> it all depends on the people playing 17:02:49 <strongfrakk> guru3:ok, i may know that i need more settings 17:03:16 <strongfrakk> guru3: in other words i may think it needs special game settings 17:03:22 <Wolfsherz> why have my trains breakdowns every few seconds? 17:03:36 <strongfrakk> guru3: you mean it depends on the players 17:03:37 <guru3> there are no special settings fo cooperative gameplay strongfrakk 17:03:41 <guru3> Wolfsherz: are you sending them to a depo 17:03:43 <guru3> strongfrakk: yes 17:03:49 <strongfrakk> guru3:thanks 17:04:00 <Wolfsherz> i already play with fewer breakdowns :/ yes, they are going to a depot on each roundtrip 17:04:10 <guru3> how old are they? 17:04:20 <guru3> what does reliability say in the train window? 17:04:24 <Wolfsherz> 3 years at max 17:04:37 <Wolfsherz> i'll check 17:05:00 <Wolfsherz> 82% 17:05:12 <strongfrakk> q:i have 2 underpopulated city how can i bust up the population ? 17:05:17 <strongfrakk> cities 17:05:30 <guru3> once a city has 5 stations being serviced they grow fast 17:05:55 <strongfrakk> you mean:has to have 17:05:58 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: provide local passanger and mail traffic to boost population growpth 17:06:03 <guru3> Wolfsherz: all of them? 17:06:09 <Phazorx> planing roads for cities also helps 17:06:29 <strongfrakk> i missed the mail tranportation , ehh my fault 17:06:32 <strongfrakk> im back :) 17:07:22 <Phazorx> and as far as cooperative play goes - #openttdcoop is the answer 17:07:26 <Wolfsherz> guru3, they are all between 79 and 83 % actually as this is a new game, its just 3 trains atm. 17:07:44 <Phazorx> they do things like http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/b/be/PSG142.png or http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/3/3b/PSG137.PNG 17:08:37 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:24 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: ok, thanks , i should have thought there have own room 17:09:38 <strongfrakk> join /#openttdcoop 17:09:42 <strongfrakk> ups sorry 17:09:54 <strongfrakk> join /openttdcoop 17:10:02 <Ammler> Phazorx: you should show older images ;-) 17:10:14 <Phazorx> Ammler: i'm a lazy clicker 17:10:26 <Ammler> I meant around 50 17:10:28 <Phazorx> and i can not alay reffer o something like psg #65 17:10:37 <Phazorx> although it is imo the best 17:10:42 <Ammler> lol 17:11:06 <Ammler> Phazorx: check pz5 17:11:56 <Phazorx> tl3 maglev? 17:12:00 <Wolfsherz> and why do industries lower production when i service them? 17:12:01 <Phazorx> that's easy mode 17:12:29 <Ammler> well, it is the only >2k trains game I know. 17:12:58 <Phazorx> i like to count cars rather than trains lately 17:13:21 <Ammler> Mark: introduced a coop-index for ;-) 17:13:38 <Phazorx> so 2k * 6 (pz5) vs 1.6k*10 (psg65) 17:13:45 <Phazorx> or really? 17:13:57 <Phazorx> i hope it i close to my way of calculating it :) 17:14:20 <Ammler> run @wiki ci there 17:14:40 <Mark> lats of fast, long, trains on a small map gives a low rating 17:14:42 <Mark> lots 17:14:43 <Phazorx> conideting i'm on wiki already i think there should be easier way to get there 17:15:08 <Phazorx> Mark: 65 is diesel DB on 1024x512 17:15:20 <Phazorx> ~1600 TL5 train 17:16:10 <Yexo> good evening 17:16:20 <guru3> good evening 17:16:42 <Phazorx> Mark: i also accoun for amount of gods transfered and waiting 17:17:14 <Phazorx> havent found a way to account for track length tho but would be good 17:17:26 <Ammler> Sali Yexo 17:17:57 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08ed1.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:29 <Ammler> Phazorx: yeah, mr someone should make a patch to count the tiles with tracks on it ;-) 17:18:41 <Phazorx> Ammler: not exactly 17:18:57 <Phazorx> i count onl these that are used by trains 17:19:17 <Ammler> and which tracks aren't? 17:19:20 <Phazorx> prio structures and things like that should not be accounted 17:19:49 <Phazorx> basicaly i realied on old_track patch 17:20:07 <Ammler> hehe, that is your all time liked patch :-) 17:20:17 <Phazorx> criteria was - "real tracks" are these where grass does not grow 17:20:25 * Ammler wonders, what happens with. 17:20:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:45 <Phazorx> well it makes sense and it shows useless tracks, often pointing out mistakes 17:20:51 <Phazorx> i posted it on TT 17:20:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-14-73-143.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:14 <Ammler> you? 17:21:22 <Phazorx> modded version 17:21:37 <Phazorx> since it borked when yapf came about 17:21:39 <Ammler> but that is years ago, too? 17:21:41 <Phazorx> they used same bits 17:21:52 <Phazorx> abut ayear or so i gess 17:22:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54452ac5.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:22:55 <Hirundo> I assume that by 'yapf' you mean YAPP / PBS 17:23:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:37 <Phazorx> hmm... i mean what was around year ago and were designated as Yet Another Path Finder in settings 17:23:44 <Phazorx> pretty sure it was YAPF 17:23:53 <Phazorx> pbs wast around then 17:24:06 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:26:02 <strongfrakk> how can i copy and paste the bus orders ? 17:26:25 <strongfrakk> q:building road it is very efficient 17:26:29 <strongfrakk> way 17:26:32 <strongfrakk> s 17:26:47 <guru3> when you're setting the vehicules' orders, click on the vehicule you want to copy 17:27:10 <Phazorx> or ctrl click when it is in depot, to make identical one with same orders 17:27:25 <guru3> ctrl clicking makes shared orders 17:27:28 <guru3> be aware of the difference 17:27:29 <Phazorx> ctrl click duplications 17:27:40 <Sacro> guru3: vehicle's 17:27:46 <guru3> -_- 17:27:49 <Phazorx> yeah it is sared orders correct 17:27:50 <guru3> it always trips me up 17:28:54 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: ok, using one ctrl is one thing but how and when i should use with the 2 bus at the same time ? 17:29:20 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: they are on own way 17:29:23 <guru3> as far as i know you have to do each one individually 17:29:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 17:29:39 <guru3> (or can you set the orders to multiple vehicules simultaneously?) 17:30:23 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: if you want to copy orders do it guru3's way 17:30:34 <Phazorx> which is at scheduling state 17:31:00 <Phazorx> if you wanto doit as i sugegsted - when creating new vehicle you ctrl click one you want a copy of 17:31:34 <Phazorx> difference is "shared orders" in my case which means that i you change original orders - copies will inherit changes as well 17:31:43 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm42.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:31:45 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: i cant imagine when they are far away to each other should i open their orders panel at the same time ? 17:31:52 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:32:08 <Phazorx> only order panel of new one needs to be open as i recall 17:32:32 <Phazorx> and you click on another vehicle itself 17:32:54 <Phazorx> after clicking add omthing to schedule button 17:33:06 <Phazorx> i guess i should fite up the game and see what is it called now :) 17:33:11 <Phazorx> since it has been a while since i played 17:33:39 <strongfrakk> i need time to practice it 17:33:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r16578 /trunk/src/lang/ (russian.txt simplified_chinese.txt traditional_chinese.txt): 17:33:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-14 17:33:27 17:33:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 39 fixed, 121 changed by Lone Wolf (160) 17:33:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 3 fixed by ww9980 (3) 17:33:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 3 fixed by ww9980 (3) 17:35:29 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: game has may shortcuts and advanced controls, you will learn them with time and that will speed up building things for sure 17:35:48 <guru3> 1-2-3-4-r 17:35:51 <guru3> the most useful keys i think 17:36:03 <Phazorx> x is hany 17:36:07 <Phazorx> as well as "del" :) 17:36:17 <guru3> i tend to just leave it transparent 17:36:25 <strongfrakk> i have tried the x 17:36:25 <Phazorx> some people become addicted to A and R 17:36:32 <strongfrakk> x is really great 17:36:41 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: beter yet - there is ctrl+x 17:36:58 <strongfrakk> as experienced the one way can confuse the buses 17:37:14 <guru3> i never never knew about ctrl x 17:37:29 <Phazorx> guru3: you live you learn 17:37:35 <Phazorx> ;o) 17:37:46 <dihedral> guru3 just lives 17:37:52 <Phazorx> hola dih 17:37:56 <dihedral> at least nobody can prove he learns - he never says anything 17:38:00 <dihedral> hello Phazorx 17:38:01 <dihedral> :-) 17:38:04 <dihedral> nice to see you here 17:38:06 <Phazorx> still kicking? 17:38:09 <Phazorx> likewise :) 17:38:17 <guru3> learning would require i play a bit more often than i do 17:38:51 <dihedral> guru3: no sane person actually plays 17:39:02 <Phazorx> it's not amount of time, it's how you do it :) 17:39:07 <Phazorx> quantity vs quality... 17:39:19 <dihedral> yep, still kicking :-) 17:39:22 <guru3> i learned it all when i was pretty young so it's sort of ingrained in me 17:39:31 <guru3> it takes a lot of effort to crash a company into the ground 17:39:55 <Phazorx> it takes a lot of effort to keep thousands trains running :) 17:40:30 <guru3> i started playing when the limit was like... 127 17:40:39 <guru3> so i tend to avoid massive networks 17:40:50 <guru3> it shifts from "fun" to "work" at that point 17:40:56 <strongfrakk> can i maintain myself just from public transportation as a beginner ? 17:41:10 <guru3> if you've got a lot of patience you can 17:41:13 <guru3> but it's not easy 17:42:01 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: most efficient start is usualy a coal to powerplant on temperate 17:42:17 <guru3> oil, wood, and iron ore all work just as well 17:42:48 <Phazorx> find few relatively remote mines in same direction and drag lines to one powerstation, reusing tracks as much as possible 17:42:55 <strongfrakk> on temperate : i have never heard this english word :) 17:43:04 <guru3> temperate climate 17:43:12 <Phazorx> "default" climate called temperate in ottd 17:43:15 <guru3> areas like france, germany, the middle east coast US 17:43:27 <Phazorx> as well as tto/ttd actually 17:43:28 <strongfrakk> uhh mediterrain ? 17:43:47 <guru3> mediterrainen is just that :) 17:43:51 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: it has less o do with sea, more with calm stadey warm weather 17:43:59 <guru3> temperate climates are generally a bit cooler, ususally experiencing some snow 17:44:03 <strongfrakk> guru3: how long word , damn 17:44:14 <strongfrakk> ok i see 17:45:05 <Phazorx> guru3: oil and wood have lower starting output 17:45:35 <guru3> it tends to work out about the same i think 17:45:35 <Phazorx> and for ore - somehow i never i figured why but it is less income efficient than coal 17:45:47 <Phazorx> guru3: close but coal is still more efficient 17:45:54 <Phazorx> especially with smooth economy 17:46:07 <guru3> perhaps, but building either line is equally fun :3 17:46:30 <Phazorx> steel is better on long run 17:46:36 <Phazorx> since ten you can expand to factory 17:46:51 <Phazorx> but i came to adopt coopers point of view 17:47:04 <guru3> starting with coal eh 17:47:07 <Phazorx> where moneymakre is a steem train, one engy ninecars 17:47:13 <guru3> you know... that was my idea originally :3 17:47:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:07 <Ammler> Phazorx: current coopers don't use coal anymore ;-) 17:48:11 <guru3> did sort of wonder why there was someone who so closely shared my views 17:48:19 <Ammler> they use pax 17:48:21 <Phazorx> Ammler: i don't believe you 17:48:24 <Phazorx> that's silly 17:48:37 <Phazorx> same coopers i used to know would not do a thing like that 17:48:39 <Ammler> well, we might be to old ;-) 17:48:41 <Ammler> +o 17:48:48 <Phazorx> i am for sure 17:48:51 <Phazorx> at least i been told so 17:49:27 <Ammler> but pax is the best MM, as you make income on both ways. 17:49:37 <guru3> pax? 17:49:41 <Phazorx> but you need faster and more expensive trains 17:49:52 <Phazorx> and you need to boost towns 17:49:58 <Phazorx> and have iternal pax in them 17:50:01 <Xaroth> passengers 17:50:09 <Phazorx> you end up with more on a long run 17:50:18 <Phazorx> but i'd rather sepnd that timeplannig :) 17:50:18 <guru3> coop has infinite time to start the game though 17:50:28 <guru3> so i could see why they do it 17:50:31 <Phazorx> guru3: lmited by fun factor 17:50:48 <guru3> well that's why i started the coal thing 17:51:00 <Ammler> you "walk" over around 4 towns which feeds the airport 17:51:17 <Ammler> then you use the 1/1 speed cheat 17:51:19 <Phazorx> oh... now we walk to do MM? 17:51:26 <Phazorx> and cheat? 17:51:31 <Ammler> coopers do :P 17:51:34 <Phazorx> this world is commin to the end i tell ya 17:51:55 <Ammler> indeed :-( 17:52:13 <Phazorx> and coopers i thought would be last to ad to mayhem 17:52:55 <dihedral> 1/1 speed for the speed of planes is not a cheat 17:53:00 <Ammler> well, money was never motivation for coopers, but we have some other gametypes, where could be interesting, like coopetition 17:53:15 <guru3> ah yeah that's moderately interesting 17:53:21 <guru3> i lost spectacularly the one time i played 17:54:08 <Ammler> that is also around 2-3 years ;-) 17:54:33 <Phazorx> brb, need to switch stations 17:54:35 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has left #openttd [] 17:54:41 <dihedral> when is the next wwottdgd? 17:55:08 <Ammler> the scenario creator just left ;-) 17:55:19 <dihedral> ah - nice 17:55:41 <dihedral> how is the rest coming along 17:56:01 <petern> SHALL I HAVE A BEER? 17:56:07 <dihedral> YES 17:56:19 <Ammler> TOO EARLY 17:56:43 <andythenorth> HAVE A TEA 17:57:13 <petern> 7pm is not too early 17:57:43 <strongfrakk> there is no time when it is early :) 17:59:08 <strongfrakk> is there any more way to making profit from the population than public transportation ? 17:59:41 <Ammler> hmm, true for the uk 17:59:47 <guru3> mail 17:59:59 <glx> taxes :) 18:00:06 <glx> but that's not in ottd ;) 18:00:25 <strongfrakk> i have still missed the mail 18:00:33 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has joined #openttd 18:01:24 <strongfrakk> what kind of facilites serves as the endpoints of mail transfer ? 18:01:30 <strongfrakk> sorry my difficult english 18:01:32 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BCF1B.versanet.de] has quit [] 18:01:38 <glx> lorry bay 18:01:48 <Phazorx> mail acceopted and generated by same kind of buildings 18:01:50 <guru3> or train stations 18:02:13 <Phazorx> so if station you create accepts mail it will produce it as well and visaversa 18:02:49 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: i have only bus stations 18:04:22 <strongfrakk> i have bus station with 600 waiting passenger :) 18:04:34 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:22 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54452ac5.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:06:58 <Phazorx> strongfrakk: think about real life, how often you seen a bus to pickup mail on bus stations? 18:07:14 <Phazorx> and waiting pax impares your rating 18:07:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 18:07:25 <Phazorx> which makes harder to build in same town 18:07:35 <strongfrakk> ok ok it is just 3th try with openttd 18:07:56 <strongfrakk> my income is just turned up 18:07:57 <Phazorx> i'm not blaming you, just pointing out less obvios things 18:08:08 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: ok i see 18:08:29 <Phazorx> game is not "real life" as much as many opther but common sense applies 18:08:46 <Phazorx> like there is a banking system that can give out loans 18:09:01 <Phazorx> and subsidies to earn a bit more (not really worth it) 18:09:24 <strongfrakk> i have to check : subsidy 18:09:33 <Phazorx> but interest on loan as well as track construction costs are factors to consider as well 18:09:40 <strongfrakk> in the dict. :) 18:09:53 <Phazorx> what is your native language? 18:10:10 <strongfrakk> hungarian 18:10:38 <Phazorx> t?mogat?s? 18:10:48 <Phazorx> cant do diactrics :( 18:11:59 <strongfrakk> support ? 18:12:10 <strongfrakk> i like using english 18:12:17 <strongfrakk> dont mind 18:12:44 <Phazorx> err.. a city counsil decdes that thye need something done and put up a project for open bidding 18:12:51 <Phazorx> like deliver this from here to here 18:13:10 <Phazorx> company what acomplishes this 1st get's a multiplier on income from this route 18:13:14 <strongfrakk> ok i get it, the dict said it is like support, financial support 18:13:19 <Phazorx> depending on game settings it could be x4 18:13:36 <Phazorx> it is financial support per say but it is for specific project 18:14:17 <strongfrakk> per say ?:) 18:14:36 <Phazorx> "sort of" 18:15:27 <strongfrakk> are they same ? 18:16:22 <Phazorx> not really but in this context "per say" and "sort of" have close meaning 18:16:42 <strongfrakk> Phazorx: ok, thanks 18:17:20 <strongfrakk> i can hold up myself just for public transportation, slowly but surely :) 18:17:55 <petern> not really 18:17:58 <petern> it's "per se" 18:18:01 <strongfrakk> it is good sign because i cant fail 18:18:54 <Phazorx> petern: latin versus american :) 18:19:17 <petern> no, correct spelling versus idiots 18:19:25 <Phazorx> isnt it same thing? 18:19:37 <Chruker> caring vs giving a damn 18:19:48 <Chruker> ;-) 18:19:57 <strongfrakk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_se 18:20:07 <strongfrakk> it is high for me 18:22:52 * Tefad sighs 18:22:56 <Tefad> l2spell 18:23:07 *** Kangoo [~octopz@ti300710a080-0557.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 18:23:51 <Kangoo> !password 18:23:51 *** Kangoo was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. 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[mahdi@blfd-4db08ed1.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:43:48 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-197.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 21:53:42 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:59 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:54:10 <Chruker> howdy 21:54:21 <nicfer> hey there 21:54:40 <Nite_Owl> Hello Chruker & nicfer 21:55:18 <nicfer> openttd has some 'air' of city building game 21:55:28 <nicfer> since you can make them grow 21:57:06 <Nite_Owl> yes but it is not a main goal unless you want it it to be 21:57:23 <nicfer> well, anyways openttd is a game with no goal 21:57:36 <nicfer> that's the best part of the game 21:57:43 <Chruker> blasfemi! 21:57:48 <nicfer> you decide what to focus on 21:57:54 <nicfer> this is madness! 22:01:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.144.214.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:01:54 <petern> THIS IS SPARTA 22:02:07 <Rubidium> CHARGE! 22:02:35 <nicfer> *kicks persian into pit* 22:03:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-147.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:52 <Nite_Owl> "So Bobby do you like gladiator movies?" 22:11:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FDAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:39 *** knl [~sauce@200-206-182-46.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:24:56 *** knl [~sauce@200-206-182-46.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #openttd [] 22:25:01 *** knl [~sauce@200-206-182-46.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:25:07 <knl> am i the only one who can't go on www.openttd.org :\ 22:25:30 <Chruker> works here 22:25:36 <knl> huh... it worked now 22:25:37 <knl> o_o 22:25:47 <Chruker> its the gremlins 22:26:00 <knl> is it safe to update from >random nightly build 22:26:03 <knl> to 0.7.1 22:26:15 <knl> considering i have some ECS stuff 22:26:35 <Chruker> that I dont know 22:28:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226149230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:29:12 <knl> also why won't the companies grow ever :( 22:29:53 <Chruker> The 0.7 versions doesnt have a default AI, you need to download one of those that are available in the online content browser 22:30:20 <knl> AI for enemies, or AI for everything? 22:30:25 <Chruker> enemies 22:30:36 <knl> i usually don't play with enemies so that's fine 22:30:47 <knl> though i was playing once and was amazed at how ridiculous they can be... 22:31:03 <knl> this one guy spent over 200k trying to build tracks from A to B 22:31:05 <Chruker> What do you then mean by companies wont grow? 22:31:14 <knl> i have this ECS steel mill 22:31:23 <knl> has tons of materials waiting to be processed 22:31:23 <Mist> ECS? 22:31:30 <knl> yet its production is really low 22:31:38 <knl> a lot of companies are like that 22:31:44 <knl> everytime i get a subsidy for, say, coal 22:31:50 <knl> i check the mine and it says 40tons/month 22:31:51 <knl> :| 22:33:51 <Chruker> Doesnt it go up when you start moving coal for it? 22:33:53 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:35:09 <knl> i never really noticed if they do 22:35:21 <knl> i figured they would, but it's still really unstable 22:40:11 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejm2.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:40:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:16 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:43:45 <Nite_Owl> how much coal is waiting at the station 22:45:38 <knl> i dunno, train is loading 22:45:43 <knl> production went 10k one month, down 10k the next 22:45:47 <glx> knl: if your nightly is from after 0.7 branch, your savegames may fail to load 22:45:48 <knl> er 10 tons 22:46:00 <knl> I think my nightly is from before that 22:46:16 <knl> it's sort of hard to tell from version number but mine is 14757 22:46:22 <knl> pretty old :| 22:46:53 <glx> it's ok then (0.7 branch is 15734) 22:50:26 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:00 <Phazorx> knl: with smooth economy more you tranport (higher rating at industry) more chance of production increase 22:59:49 <Phazorx> w/o smooth economy 66% raiting is a limitter, below it there is mroe chance of radical decrease, above same with increase 23:04:45 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-189-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 23:14:45 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:47 <Ammler> good night tycooner 23:18:30 *** reldred [~reldred@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [] 23:20:16 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> <nicfer> *kicks persian into pit* <- a persian carpet or a persian cat? 23:22:08 <nicfer> it was a 300 reference 23:22:22 <nicfer> I meant the persian dude that was kicked by Leonidas 23:22:57 <nicfer> only a joke, doesn't matte 23:23:27 <Eddi|zuHause> <knl> is it safe to update from >random nightly build to 0.7.1 <- NO. only nightlies before 0.7.0-beta can be updated to 0.7 23:23:34 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> all other nightlies are 0.8-alpha 23:23:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and would be a downgrade to 0.7.1 23:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> which means savegames will not load, etc. 23:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> <knl> also why won't the companies grow ever :( <- afair ECS requires over 70% transported for industries to increase production 23:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so a statue in the city might help 23:30:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-14-73-143.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:33:42 <knl> hrm, and i suppose it depends on the city's size? 23:33:52 <knl> because the city said coal mine belongs to is pretty small 23:34:16 <Belugas> city lies 23:34:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B766A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:41:22 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87-196-132-230.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 23:41:30 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 23:41:42 <knl> evening 23:41:55 <SmatZ> late evening 23:42:07 <HackaLittleBit> very late 23:42:41 <SmatZ> HackaLittleBit: your time is 00:42? 23:43:00 <HackaLittleBit> correct 23:43:07 <HackaLittleBit> 0.43 23:43:16 <SmatZ> portugal is in different timezone? 23:43:33 <SmatZ> than most of Europe :) 23:43:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.149] has joined #openttd 23:43:57 <SmatZ> ah, it is! 23:44:01 <SmatZ> I didn't know that 23:44:04 <SmatZ> interesting :) 23:44:13 <HackaLittleBit> It is terrible 23:44:18 * SmatZ feels like a fool now :-/ 23:44:54 <HackaLittleBit> SmatZ: did anybody complain about game crash when oil platform is removed? 23:45:23 <SmatZ> HackaLittleBit: it crashes? :( 23:45:25 <SmatZ> in 0.7.1? 23:45:38 <HackaLittleBit> The only thing I can give you is safegame 23:45:46 <HackaLittleBit> trunk 23:46:19 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.254.3] has left #openttd [] 23:46:27 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54452ac5.lns4-c11.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:03 <HackaLittleBit> The thing is I am not shure if it is the reason of the crASH 23:48:02 <SmatZ> please submit a bugreport :) 23:48:09 <SmatZ> is it reproducible? 23:48:15 <HackaLittleBit> yes 23:48:28 <HackaLittleBit> 31 of november 23:48:35 <HackaLittleBit> ill send it 23:49:25 <SmatZ> ok, I can't reproduce it, valgrind doesn't complain :-x 23:49:31 <SmatZ> your savegame will be needed 23:49:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:50:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.172.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:11 <SmatZ> HackaLittleBit: are you opening a bugreport? 23:51:31 <HackaLittleBit> yes busy with that now 23:51:40 <SmatZ> thanks :) 23:53:57 <knl> smatz 23:54:01 <knl> why did you time me anyways 23:54:25 <SmatZ> knl: I was interested in if it's really "evening" for you 23:54:31 <knl> :| 23:54:32 <SmatZ> and I don't know you... 23:54:34 <knl> yes even in brazil 23:55:00 <SmatZ> maybe it would be easier if I whoised you :-/ 23:55:10 <knl> xd 23:56:47 <HackaLittleBit> its there :) 23:57:01 <HackaLittleBit> #2979 23:57:09 <SmatZ> thanks, HackaLittleBit 23:57:25 <HackaLittleBit> ok good night, sleeping time 23:57:50 <SmatZ> knl: our family had a friend in Brasil (in Barretos), and we were planning to visit him someday, but he died already :-/ 23:57:55 <SmatZ> good night, HackaLittleBit 23:57:58 <knl> D: 23:58:14 <knl> i'm sorry 23:58:24 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87-196-132-230.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:33 <SmatZ> thanks