Times are UTC Toggle Colours
00:01:50 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-172.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 00:04:30 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-172.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:30 *** Limpaar [~Limpaar@84-50-129-60-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 00:10:51 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:11:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:04 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:21:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@78.52.63.78] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:27:32 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-172.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-252-138.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:03 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-172.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:29 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:37:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:55 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 00:48:46 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:15:42 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 01:35:32 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:35:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:36 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <DJNekkid> planetmaker: we have steam, diesel, electric, metro and maglev <- what about battery powered cars, like the german ETA 150 (BR 515), they are electric powered, but they are not "electric" in the sense that they require electric rail, so they behave more like diesel powered, but are not smoking... 02:16:41 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:23:37 *** BoNes [the_lord_b@114.74.139.16] has joined #openttd 02:24:12 <BoNes> Hello all. 02:24:13 <BoNes> I'm dropping in here to try and find out why openttd.org won't work... 02:26:22 <BoNes> #openttd 02:26:26 <BoNes> #openttd.notice 02:29:25 <KenjiE20|LT> openttd.org works fine for me 02:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> here, too 02:37:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:36 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:49:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:141c:7263:68c3:2fdd] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:49:39 <BoNes> I've discovered that it's Opera's fault. Now, I'm forced to use IE :( 02:50:16 <KenjiE20|LT> still works for me 02:51:08 <BoNes> Thanks anyways. 02:51:52 *** BoNes [the_lord_b@114.74.139.16] has left #openttd [] 02:57:32 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:33 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: zzzzzzzzz] 03:09:23 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:19:26 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:19:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 03:39:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:09 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:48:42 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.211.168] has joined #openttd 04:21:34 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:21:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:37 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 04:30:43 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.211.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:40:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 05:03:42 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:03:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:45 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 05:20:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:36:34 <mikk36|work> hey, q: would it be possible to get timestamps into console ? 05:52:45 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 06:05:32 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:05:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:05:35 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:15:21 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:29:33 *** rain``` [rain@24-183-138-238.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 06:31:27 *** rain```` [rain@24-183-138-238.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:39:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 06:55:35 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:11 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.71.41.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 07:06:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 07:23:55 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:27:38 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:41 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 07:34:37 *** worldemar [~tsukimiya@81.28.185.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:35:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 07:43:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:49:22 *** worldemar [~tsukimiya@213.178.37.30] has joined #openttd 08:02:38 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.38] has joined #openttd 08:08:20 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:11:12 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 08:15:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:15:20 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 08:22:48 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43949&sid=2054045eeb2c66b421f58b8e35ae2a0d <-- nice reply by Eddi :) 08:23:06 <Rubidium> :O session hijack! 08:23:36 <planetmaker> he :) 08:24:23 <planetmaker> you're right 08:25:04 <dihedral> eh - are sessions not also bound to ip / port ? 08:25:52 <planetmaker> whatever... session terminated :P 08:32:17 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@062016220051.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 08:32:38 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.71.41.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:37:22 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@062016220051.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 08:38:02 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:39:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:40:20 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@062016220051.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:40:24 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.16.159.21.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 08:41:02 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 08:45:23 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@062016220051.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:06 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:55:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:06 *** Cybert1nus is now known as Cybertinus 09:02:06 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i had to rephrase that many times until it stopped sounding insulting :p 09:02:31 <planetmaker> hehe @ Eddi|zuHause 09:02:36 <planetmaker> I believe you to the word 09:02:57 <planetmaker> I considered to reply, too, but finally refrained. 09:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not had much contact with Oz, but he looks like a control freak to me 09:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> he can't stand the fact that there are parts of the game that he cannot control, that's why his GRF contains so many different features 09:04:55 <planetmaker> same here. At least this detail control over the players and their user interface looks like 09:05:42 <planetmaker> Indeed, I think that each feature should rather be a separate newgrf. Somewhat like the Japan set does it. 09:06:01 <planetmaker> They're doing a marvelous job, but keep it modular 09:06:12 <planetmaker> e.g. let me choose. 09:06:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. the alpine grf suffers from the same problem, it contains both houses and industries. but at least MB realised that this is a problem 09:07:58 <planetmaker> he, yes :) I he isn't as radical in these things as Oz seems like. Luckily 09:08:14 <planetmaker> or we wouldn't have a dbset anymore either ;) 09:08:24 <planetmaker> which would be a shame. 09:08:24 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@i44172.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:37 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:24:16 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:41 *** DJNekkid [DJNekkid@062016161238.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 09:31:47 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:33:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:58 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.16.159.21.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:13 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.17.153.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 09:35:13 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.17.153.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [] 09:35:29 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.17.153.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 09:37:45 *** DJNekkid [DJNekkid@062016161238.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:47:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16590 /trunk/src/ (fileio.cpp newgrf.cpp): -Fix [FS#2967]: don't crash when tars/newgrfs are removed, just tell the file could be opened/found. 09:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause> missing "not"? 09:49:26 <Markk> Where? 09:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "could not be found"? 09:49:50 <Markk> Ah 09:49:59 <Markk> Yeah, woyuld think so 09:50:00 <Rubidium> yeah, I always miss at least word per sentence 09:50:01 <Markk> would* 09:50:08 <Markk> ^^ 09:50:11 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 09:50:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it was not the first commit message that was crippled like this ;) 09:55:15 <Rubidium> it won't be the last either 09:57:52 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:03:44 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:04:15 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:17 *** DJNekkid [DJNekkid@062016161238.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 10:13:02 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.17.153.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:28 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.17.254.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #openttd 10:13:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEc669.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:48 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@77.17.17.254.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:23 *** DJNekkid [DJNekkid@062016161238.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:26:22 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Microsoft is weird... 10:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> facing possible sanctions by the EU, they announced that they will not ship IE 8 with Windows 7 10:45:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> now they announced that they would pack IE 8, together with "Live essentials" (mail, media player, etc.) on a separate disk 10:46:22 <SirSquidness> I think it's quite smart actually. 10:46:43 <SirSquidness> They don't get fined (as much?) by the EU, and most people will still put it on there 10:47:40 <Rubidium> if they're smart they just bundle IE8 and Firefox, make IE8 default, though unselectable, and keep Firefox as an option 10:47:59 <Rubidium> after all MS is making Firefox plugins 10:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the process was initiated by Opera, and Google also wants to have a say in it, so just putting firefox on would probably not solve the problem 10:49:19 <Rubidium> then add iceweasel ;) 10:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, even if microsoft would allow other browsers on their disk, the next question is where to draw the line 10:50:14 <Rubidium> although, I'm waiting for the moment when Norton sues Microsoft for shipping Explorer out-of-the-box 10:50:45 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:51:46 <Rubidium> or photoshop for shipping paint out of the box 10:51:55 <Rubidium> s/photoshop/adobe/ 10:52:59 <Rubidium> I really wonder why a webbrowser is such a big deal when there are many many other things that Neelie could fine MS for 10:53:16 <Rubidium> although maybe 'tax' is a better word for it 11:00:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:00:39 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.166.158] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:45 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:16:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.67.118] has joined #openttd 11:17:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16591 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Codechange: some coding style in strgen 11:39:47 <petern> http://eatliver.com/img/2006/1401.jpg 11:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, we always played that on paper... 11:56:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:583a:61e:5b4a:8d52] has joined #openttd 11:56:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:03:29 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:11:35 *** worldemar [~tsukimiya@213.178.37.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:52 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:18:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:24:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:26:33 *** worldemar [~tsukimiya@188.122.234.197] has joined #openttd 12:28:50 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 12:29:07 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:24 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 12:37:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:42:26 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:38 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:10 <mikk36|work> who is familiar with ecs vectors here ? 12:45:34 <Rubidium> George? 12:46:28 <planetmaker> mikk36|work, you're doing it wrong. Just ask the questions you want to aks. Don't ask meta-questions. 12:46:33 <mikk36|work> right 12:46:47 <mikk36|work> General behaviour change (Description) 12:47:22 <mikk36|work> i'd like to set the amount to unlimited and that the industries never disappear 12:47:41 <mikk36|work> i've set the second parameter for basic sector to "0 14" 12:47:47 <mikk36|work> but the amount left still decreases 12:47:51 <mikk36|work> how is it supposed to work ? 12:48:09 <planetmaker> so... does the industry disappear or does only the amount left decrease? 12:48:19 <planetmaker> the latter doesn't hurt. 12:48:45 <mikk36|work> i'm testing it now 12:48:52 <mikk36|work> to see what happens 12:59:29 <mikk36|work> uhuh 12:59:37 <mikk36|work> "Sand left" just raised 12:59:50 *** me [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:00:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:00:22 <mikk36|work> it was something like 145k, now it's 171k 13:02:10 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:03:04 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:04:13 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:18 <mikk36|work> o.O now it's 222k 13:04:37 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@li26-205.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 13:05:14 <Yexo> that's normal behavior 13:05:45 <Yexo> the amount left is only a guess, and providing good service can increase that (up to a certain point, defined at the time the industry was build) 13:06:50 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:15 <mikk36|work> so how do i know if it will run out or not ? 13:08:54 <Yexo> you test longer 13:09:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:09:30 <Belugas> hello 13:13:23 *** De_Ghosty is now known as OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooO 13:14:00 *** OOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooO is now known as OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo 13:16:27 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 13:18:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:25:08 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:55 *** Simozzz [~Simozzz@90.155.166.81] has joined #openttd 13:35:39 *** OOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo is now known as DeGhost 13:44:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47:44 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:14 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:14:28 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 14:16:37 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:18:33 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:19:57 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:26:19 *** zodttd [~me@user-142gtg7.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:11 *** Condac- [~condac@s83-191-224-165.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:05 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:35:10 *** Yexo is now known as Guest1125 14:35:10 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 14:41:19 *** Guest1125 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:58:52 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 15:06:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16592 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Fix [FS#2880]: 'connection lost' was also shown when the client was 'leaving'. 15:06:35 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 15:07:01 <DJ_Nekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/183421 ... what is wrong? i can seriously not find a flaw... (action0 with "invalid escape sequense") 15:07:25 <Rubidium> \w<date> ? 15:07:47 <petern> dihedral, ^^ 15:08:03 <DJ_Nekkid> thats never been a problem before... 15:08:17 <DJ_Nekkid> aha! 15:08:20 <DJ_Nekkid> i found it! 15:08:31 <Rubidium> DJ_Nekkid: line 12? 15:08:36 <DJ_Nekkid> 0E \dx3c30// Running cost Base vs 0E \dx3c30 // Running cost Base 15:08:54 <DJ_Nekkid> line12 is a valid line... :) 15:09:13 <Rubidium> hmm, then it just looks weird ;) 15:09:15 <DJ_Nekkid> (the comment didnt have a space) 15:09:35 <Rubidium> though why is line 26 invalid and 14 valid? 15:09:52 <DJ_Nekkid> 14 isnt either 15:10:00 <DJ_Nekkid> >( 15:10:01 <DJ_Nekkid> :) 15:10:18 <DJ_Nekkid> but i figured one example were enough :) 15:11:29 <DJ_Nekkid> im not used to work in such a documented fashion :) 15:12:31 <Rubidium> anyhow, it sounds like unwanted behaviour in nforenum 15:19:05 <DaleStan> *blink*blink* Prop 0B is no good but 0E is fine. What did I do *this* time? 15:21:19 <Rubidium> no, the prop 0B line gives an error too 15:21:45 <Rubidium> the problem seems to be \XYZ// (i.e. comments starting directly after the 'data' 15:23:57 <DaleStan> For me, with at least one version of nforenum, prop 0E works. I could have broken that later, though. 15:24:52 <DJ_Nekkid> DaleStan: both lines didnt work... \dx123//comment 15:26:24 <DJ_Nekkid> and im useing a _quite new_ version 15:26:27 <DJ_Nekkid> 2101 or something 15:26:50 <DJ_Nekkid> 12.05.2009 12:05 15:27:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:49 <DaleStan> I was probably using an older version when I tested; I have entirely too many renum executables floating around my system. 15:28:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:41 <DJ_Nekkid> grfcodec might have eaten it tho... that i didnt test... 15:29:36 <DaleStan> Oh dear. I see the problem. And yes, GRFCodec should be closer to right. 15:31:53 <DJ_Nekkid> :) 15:31:54 <Belugas> YOU GET ME CLOSER TO GOD! 15:32:00 <DJ_Nekkid> always glad to help :P 15:32:10 <DJ_Nekkid> blasphemy! 15:32:35 <Rubidium> Belugas: don't sit on him! 15:32:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:44 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:33:15 <Belugas> no, indeed not... because next warning would be the same + h 15:33:19 <Belugas> buwhahaha!!!! 15:33:26 <Belugas> ding ding ding!@!@!! 15:33:37 <DaleStan> It reads "\w12000/" and goes "Oh! I know what this is! It's a date!" And then it can't find the month. 15:33:38 <Belugas> Areuh areuh 15:33:56 <DaleStan> Nevermind that the year is completely out of range. 15:34:59 <DJ_Nekkid> btw ... are there any arguments to not enable a callback on a vehicle (train?) 15:35:07 <DJ_Nekkid> i.e. performance hits 15:35:44 <Rubidium> callback processing can be expensive 15:36:04 <Rubidium> try starting a big map with lots of ECS industries 15:36:34 <DaleStan> But that's more an effect of the callback itself being expensive, rather than the callback overhead. 15:37:19 <DJ_Nekkid> so if i just "1E FF" all my trains, it would not mean much? 15:37:31 <Rubidium> and the effect of 1000*1000 times trying to build an industry that may not be build on the map because there is already one ;) 15:38:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.158] has joined #openttd 15:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i take it some of the tourist center layouts must be unique 15:42:04 <Rubidium> yeah, something like that 15:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that needs a different system of generating the industry, instead of a callback that retroactively invalidates the attempt 15:44:38 <Rubidium> sure... but someone must be bothered enough to change that 15:45:44 <Rubidium> and based on the recent patches written by someone, it is unlikely 15:45:57 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:47:54 <DJ_Nekkid> isnt CB15 supposed to be "absolute" ? 15:48:01 <DJ_Nekkid> or is that only for wagons? 15:48:32 <DJ_Nekkid> *trying to make a new template system for 2cc v2.0* 15:51:01 <DJ_Nekkid> and: isnt valuables in it's proper cargoclass by default? 15:51:28 <DJ_Nekkid> useing r16384 15:51:32 <DJ_Nekkid> *381 15:51:42 <DJ_Nekkid> perhaps its time to upgrade 15:52:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:59:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16593 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Cleanup: realign the TTDP flags table. 15:59:36 <DaleStan> DJ_Nekkid: I still can't reproduce "0E \dx3c30// Running cost Base" failing, but the latest source reads "\w12000// comment" correctly. 16:00:09 <DJ_Nekkid> DaleStan: when i "spaced" them it worked tho ... 16:00:26 <DJ_Nekkid> not sure what the version is, but it's rather new as i saied... 16:00:35 <DJ_Nekkid> shal i PM it or something? 16:00:39 <DJ_Nekkid> the exe? 16:00:59 <DaleStan> I bet it's not as new as the commit I made 2 minutes ago. 16:01:11 <DJ_Nekkid> nope... 16:01:23 <DJ_Nekkid> as i saied, around 2103 16:01:25 <DJ_Nekkid> r210 16:01:30 <DJ_Nekkid> r2103 god damn it! 16:01:48 <DJ_Nekkid> but; on a sidenote ... 16:02:25 <DJ_Nekkid> is valuables configured correctly as bit3 in the cargo class table? 16:02:55 <planetmaker> DJ_Nekkid, did you not try with the exe I supplied there: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/files 16:03:08 <planetmaker> there you have nforenum 2116 16:03:23 <DJ_Nekkid> i tried it, but it didnt work in windows32 16:03:28 <DJ_Nekkid> http://paste.openttd.org/183422 16:03:32 <planetmaker> oh... meh :P :( 16:03:55 <DaleStan> That's version's also broken. I fixed the bug in 2124. 16:04:15 <DJ_Nekkid> that _should_ as i can see use cID30 for valuables 16:06:02 <DJ_Nekkid> diamonds and gold dont work either 16:08:35 <Rubidium> DaleStan: is my assumption that action 2 variable 11 returns 0 for normal rail, 1 for elrail (if available), 1 for monorail (if no elrail, otherwise 2) and 2 for maglev? 16:08:46 <Rubidium> +right 16:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> yet another word missing ;) 16:15:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c35d3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:29:51 <Belugas> DJ_Nekkid, if diamonds and gold are not working for you, send them to me, i'llmake good use of them! 16:30:26 *** Westie is now known as Westie` 16:33:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af0624e.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:36:40 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:43 <frosch123> Rubidium: isn't there some FS task about that? iirc 0 is normal, 1 is elrail if present, 2 is maglev if present, and monorail is either 1 or 2 depending on the presence of elrail, maglev or both 16:37:21 <frosch123> but wrt. petern's railtypes that variable is not that useful :/ 16:39:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:41:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:42:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 16:50:37 *** Westie` [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has quit [Quit: why oh why...] 16:53:08 <Rubidium> frosch123: when will railtypes actually be done? 16:54:16 <frosch123> no idea, but that variable already causes trouble when all four types are available 16:55:15 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:13 <Rubidium> so do airport types ;) 16:59:54 *** Westie [~westie@westie-cat.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:01:10 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:10 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 17:01:10 <frosch123> but it should at least work for the common railtypes normal, elrail, narrow gauge, shinkansen and third-rail 17:01:29 <frosch123> iirc they all do implementation specific stuff on deciding which railtype to override 17:01:32 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af0624e.wfd101.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:05 <frosch123> so imo this variable can just be implementation-specific too. you can return either the index of the railtype, or maybe just the railtype label 17:02:49 <z-MaTRiX> btw, there are trains that can go on narrow rail, and normal rail too 17:02:58 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:03:11 <Rubidium> z-MaTRiX: yeah, mini-Shinkansens ;) 17:03:23 <frosch123> "btw" is somewhat misplaced :p 17:03:41 <z-MaTRiX> [190110] frosch123... 17:03:48 <z-MaTRiX> was thinking about related 17:04:43 <Yexo> the discussion was about stations, not trains :) 17:04:44 <z-MaTRiX> hm sry gmt+1 17:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> 19:xx is not gmt+1 17:12:54 <planetmaker> :P 17:12:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: doesn't GMT mean "Gordon's mommy time"? 17:13:19 <Rubidium> which is now, due to summer time, UTC+1 17:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds... less likely :p 17:13:50 <z-MaTRiX> +2 17:13:58 <z-MaTRiX> ;/ 17:14:05 <z-MaTRiX> yes 17:14:13 <z-MaTRiX> :) 17:16:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16594 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2969]: mouse would under some circumstances not be undrawn when drawing the first chat line causing two mouse pointers to be visible. 17:17:54 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:24:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 17:25:30 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BC024.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:27:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:40:54 *** HalfHand [~HalfHand@0138300151.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:42:16 <HalfHand> A quick question: how do you close all windows in OpenTTD a once? 17:42:45 <frosch123> try "del" 17:42:46 <planetmaker> del 17:43:09 <frosch123> and use the sticky button to keep some 17:43:23 <HalfHand> thanks guys :D 17:43:48 <HalfHand> (and Frosch - knew about that feature - therefore the question ;-) ) 17:44:10 *** HalfHand [~HalfHand@0138300151.0.fullrate.dk] has left #openttd [] 17:47:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:48:49 <DaleStan> Rubidium: Correct. 17:49:14 <Rubidium> thanks 17:50:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16595 /trunk/src/lang/russian.txt: 17:50:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-18 17:50:03 17:50:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 31 fixed, 11 changed by Lone Wolf (42) 17:55:05 *** Simozzz [~Simozzz@90.155.166.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:14 <Yexo> how does nforenum make a difference between a 'normal' action 2 and a variational action 2? 17:58:35 <DaleStan> The fourth byte, IIRC. 17:59:12 <DaleStan> <type> always has bit 7 set; <nument1> never does. 17:59:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 17:59:48 <Yexo> thanks, seems I've been reading the variational action 2 page incorrect 18:00:51 <Yexo> it makes sense now 18:01:54 <petern> heh 18:02:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:08:38 *** Simozzz [~Simozzz@90.155.166.81] has joined #openttd 18:08:43 <frosch123> DJ_Nekkid: you messed up your vehicle ids. you check the cargotype for engine 0x1b, but you build engine 0x00 which is not articulated 18:09:54 <petern> ? 18:10:03 <Yexo> varaction 2 starting with: 8 * 14 02 04 02 82 4A <- should be feature 4, so stations, gives me a nforenum warning about testnig nonexistant variable 4A 18:10:10 <petern> what do you mean "you build" ? 18:10:18 <Yexo> while http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Stations tells me 4A is the current animation frame 18:10:24 <frosch123> fs2985 18:13:06 <frosch123> Yexo: with type 82 you access a town 18:13:32 <Yexo> frosch123: ah, seems like I can't read :p 18:13:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r16596 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: -Fix (r16378): there were several hundreds of empty signs above tile 0 after loading TTO/TTD savegame 18:17:34 <petern> eh 18:17:38 <petern> heh, evfen 18:17:40 <petern> oh fuck off 18:17:44 <petern> stupid keyboard 18:31:13 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F947.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:52 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:39 <petern> i found a new distribution method for openttd 18:36:45 <petern> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FloppyRom_Magazine.jpg 18:46:08 *** Simozzz [~Simozzz@90.155.166.81] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:49:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, for certain definitions of "new" ;) 18:51:31 <Yexo> it's be new as distribution for openttd 18:53:33 <planetmaker> petern, you produce the port to the 6800 processor type? :) 18:55:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even know what a 6800 processor is 18:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember that 68000 was some kind of amiga processor 19:03:14 <petern> well it's a motorola cpu, like the 68000 is 19:06:23 <petern> planetmaker, and no, we can just use the same media 19:06:39 <planetmaker> ah, ok :P 19:06:52 <planetmaker> I read something like 4kB capacity. Sounds like fun ;) 19:07:01 <petern> you might need a few discs, yeah 19:07:26 <petern> then you sell the first edition for 99p, and the rest are ?7.99 19:07:42 <glx> hehe 19:10:13 <petern> http://trainsimdownloads.com/photos/TrainYard_01.jpg 19:10:20 <petern> ^ anyone done that in ottd? ;p 19:12:04 <DJ_Nekkid> opencoop guys have probably made something similar :p 19:13:06 <KenjiE20> I tend to dot little yards around in games I play 19:13:32 <KenjiE20> offline I like to stash old replaced stock in them 19:21:41 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:23:47 <glx> there's an invisible engine to do that IIRC 19:24:14 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:24:54 <planetmaker> there are a few eye-candy games where people build very intricate stations like that 19:25:04 <andythenorth> there's a switchyard in isr 19:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i found the switchyard in ISR too unflexible 19:25:58 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: make suggestions in the isr thread :) 19:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause> some teaser shots of MB's stations had rolling stock etc. on them, but lord knows when that is ever coming out 19:26:37 *** DJ_Nekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has left #openttd [] 19:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway... www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Cottbus%20Transport,%2021.%20Okt%201925.png 19:30:01 <planetmaker> 404 19:30:10 <planetmaker> not really. :P 19:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it's working here... 19:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> safari is known to have problems with the comma, though 19:30:56 <planetmaker> I'm using FF regardless of platform. :) 19:31:08 <planetmaker> somewhere a trailing slash appeared here. 19:31:16 <planetmaker> but nvm :) 19:31:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:36:26 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5E3E6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:27 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:37:46 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:28 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F947.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:09 *** Wolfsherz [~arutha@i577BC024.versanet.de] has quit [] 19:48:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 19:53:50 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:59:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:59:56 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5E3E6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:01:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051109153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:27 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:05:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:08:12 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 20:12:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:14 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:14:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c35d3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:15 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:36 <PeterT> hi 20:33:42 <PeterT> any ottd developers here? 20:33:51 <Yexo> yes 20:33:53 <PeterT> that i could talk to 20:33:55 <PeterT> hey 20:34:03 <PeterT> this is peter, that you helped with patching 20:34:48 <Yexo> hello PeterT 20:35:15 <PeterT> ok, can i suggest something in openttd console? 20:35:24 <Yexo> sure, suggest whatever you want 20:35:24 <planetmaker> you can try :P 20:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that is the 3rd useless question 20:36:22 <PeterT> ok 20:36:56 <PeterT> could you put in a time for things that happen, like chats, when players join, just for the server? 20:37:20 <Yexo> we could do that yes 20:37:23 <PeterT> because its hard for me to determine who i need to ban when i dont know when they join 20:37:25 <PeterT> thanks :) 20:37:30 <glx> already suggested 20:37:32 <Yexo> I'm not waying someone will 20:37:36 <Yexo> just that it's possible :) 20:37:42 <PeterT> its not too much coding? 20:37:49 <Yexo> I guess not 20:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause> a couple dozen lines tops 20:38:09 * planetmaker shuckles 20:38:24 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so one day of work, including research for timestamp formatting functions 20:38:33 <PeterT> ok great 20:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that makes 1500EUR 20:38:49 <planetmaker> :D 20:38:54 <Yexo> nice one :) 20:39:17 <SmatZ> :-) 20:39:34 * SmatZ would do that for "one zero less" euros / day ;) 20:39:44 <planetmaker> dumping! 20:39:53 <SmatZ> :-D 20:40:01 <PeterT> lol 20:40:03 <PeterT> thanks everyone 20:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> well, only 1/4th of that would be the programmer's wage 20:41:12 <planetmaker> given the pay rolls in public employment, 150EUR / day is not what my university will rent me out to industry on. 20:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and generally, for IT projects, you get paid for what the customer wants to pay for, not where the work actually goes. 20:42:09 <PeterT> so what else is new? 20:42:49 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that means you charge extra for the parts that get demanded, and cross-finance the work that actually has to be done in the background 20:43:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:43:37 <SmatZ> 3/4 of the price for the "background" job? 20:43:44 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: it's about 50EUR / h + 70% overhead for infrastructure 20:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> no, half of that goes away for taxes and stuff 20:43:55 <planetmaker> official guidelines 20:43:58 <SmatZ> ah 20:44:10 <planetmaker> no, that's not what _I_ get. What university gets. 20:44:43 <Eddi|zuHause> 7,11EUR/h was what i got as a "Hiwi" 20:44:54 <planetmaker> he, yes. It's 7,98EUR / h now 20:45:45 <planetmaker> quite cheap labour ;) 20:46:49 <SmatZ> :( 20:47:23 <planetmaker> SmatZ: "HiWi" = students employed at university 20:47:49 <planetmaker> @calc 7.98 * 160 20:47:49 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1276.8 20:47:53 <planetmaker> hm... 20:48:28 <SmatZ> still you have higher wage than most of university teachers here (but yes, your expenses are higher too) 20:48:42 <PeterT> @calc 1134 20:48:42 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1134 20:48:45 <PeterT> @calc 1134 20:48:45 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1134 20:48:46 <PeterT> @calc 1134 20:48:47 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 1134 20:49:05 <PeterT> @calc 1134 * x - 2 = 12 + x / 2 20:49:05 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 20:49:06 <planetmaker> well... it's not my wage. It what university charges others, if we do contract work 20:49:06 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [1134] 20:49:26 <SmatZ> :( 20:49:29 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:33 <planetmaker> my wage is unfortunately lower... 20:49:35 <PeterT> ??? 20:49:39 <PeterT> why was i kicked? 20:49:44 <planetmaker> PeterT: spamming 20:49:45 <Lakie> Spam? 20:49:52 <PeterT> not spam, look at what i had 20:49:57 <PeterT> @calc 1134 * x - 2 = 12 + x / 2 20:49:57 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 20:50:02 <PeterT> why doesnt that work 20:50:10 <PeterT> does it do variables 20:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> why would it? 20:50:16 <PeterT> @calc 1134 * x - 2 = 12 + x / 2 20:50:17 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 20:50:20 <Yexo> probably becuase it doesn't solve equations 20:50:28 <KenjiE20> how would the bot know what 'x' is? 20:50:30 <SmatZ> hehe 20:50:32 <Yexo> PeterT: you can msg dorpsgek privatly 20:50:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a calculator, not an algebraic solver 20:50:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:54 <Belugas> night all 20:51:12 <PeterT> i guess 20:51:23 <planetmaker> SmatZ: it's actually WAY less what I get... 20:51:37 <Yexo> bye Belugas 20:51:42 <planetmaker> bye Belugas 20:52:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 20:53:22 <dihedral> amazon page on a laptop: weight: 4.3Kg, weight incl. packaging: 3.3Kg :-D 20:54:07 <SmatZ> planetmaker: I suppose you can earn money is some other way too :) I am "working" as "student helping force" or what for ~2EUR/ hour :-p But just ~3h/week, and I am not teaching or anything like that 20:54:09 <PeterT> !password 20:54:09 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 20:54:13 <SmatZ> haha 20:54:22 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:26 <PeterT> kicked for a command? 20:54:27 <PeterT> wow? 20:54:35 <planetmaker> lol :) 20:54:50 <Yexo> several people are/were trying that here instead of in #openttdcoop 20:54:56 <Yexo> so may that it became annoying 20:55:10 <SmatZ> they try it once, they get no reply, so they try it again 20:55:13 <Yexo> s/may/many/ 20:55:21 *** Zantor [user@ppp-70-242-157-2.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:21 <SmatZ> until someone tells them they are in a wrong channel 20:55:26 <Zantor> anyone around? 20:55:33 <SmatZ> nope 20:55:37 <Zantor> lol 20:55:37 <planetmaker> never ever 20:55:39 <Yexo> we're all gone 20:55:39 <Zantor> you are :P 20:55:44 <Zantor> I have a problem 20:55:48 <Zantor> and it may be a common one 20:55:49 <SmatZ> so do I :( 20:55:49 <planetmaker> no. I am a-square 20:55:53 <SmatZ> :-D 20:55:58 <Yexo> I have problems too 20:56:12 <Zantor> I just downloaded and installed OTTD 0.7.1 and i get an error when I run it 20:56:17 <planetmaker> Yexo, you know, we can talk about everything :) Here. 20:56:21 <Zantor> cannot open file simple.cat 20:56:32 <planetmaker> read again ;) 20:56:32 <SmatZ> Zantor: readme.txt ? 20:56:37 <planetmaker> it sais sample.cat 20:56:39 <Yexo> planetmaker: you can tell me how to code a animated station tile in nfo? 20:56:40 <SmatZ> haha 20:56:42 <Zantor> o 20:56:42 <Zantor> sample 20:56:47 <Zantor> blame me for misreading 20:57:08 <planetmaker> Yexo: in principle yes. In reality I haven't done it, though :) 20:57:25 <Zantor> but I don't have a TTD CD! 20:57:32 <planetmaker> So it breaks down to: I'm probably as knowledgable as you as I'd use the wiki heavily, too :) 20:57:38 <planetmaker> Zantor: then get OpenGFX 20:57:39 <Yexo> Zantor: do you have a graphics set? 20:57:42 <SmatZ> Zantor: umm buy one 20:57:46 <Yexo> planetmaker: I'm trying to use the wiki 20:57:49 <Yexo> but it's still hard 20:57:56 <planetmaker> yes, I know... 20:57:59 <Zantor> well I didn't have this issue with 0.6.3 or 0.7.0 20:58:14 <planetmaker> Zantor: then copy your data folder to your new install 20:58:22 <Yexo> Zantor: just create an empty sample.cat 20:58:23 <Zantor> this is a fresh install 20:58:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:43 <planetmaker> so, how did your old installs work then? They have / had exactly the same requirements. 20:58:51 <SmatZ> hmm I think empty sample.cat needs patched binary 20:58:57 <SmatZ> I may be wrong of course 20:59:00 <Zantor> I'm not sure 20:59:11 <Zantor> I extracted the stuff my brother gave me and it worked 20:59:25 <planetmaker> SmatZ: no, it's ok. 20:59:42 <planetmaker> you just get a message about a corrupted file, but it's fine. 21:00:26 <planetmaker> well. Any case you need a base graphics set. 21:00:35 <Zantor> I was using what came with OTTD before 21:00:37 <planetmaker> either you take the one from TTD 21:00:44 <planetmaker> or you get OpenGFX 21:00:50 <planetmaker> OpenTTD comes without any base graphics 21:00:54 <planetmaker> and always did 21:00:54 <Yexo> there never was a base graphics set included in any official openttd package 21:01:17 <planetmaker> that may (hopefully) change, once OpenGFX is finished, though ;) 21:01:18 <Zantor> AHA 21:01:24 <Zantor> I found the archive file with the needed files! 21:01:34 <planetmaker> good that we talked about it ;) 21:01:48 <Zantor> glad I found it; THIS is why I keep archives 21:02:14 <Yexo> just put the files in My Documents/OpenTTD/data and they'll be used by all future installations 21:02:21 <Yexo> so this problem won't happen with your next installation 21:02:23 <dihedral> all to be read in the readme.txt file 21:02:30 <Zantor> it's working! 21:02:45 <Zantor> thank you for t3h help 21:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 21:03:06 <Zantor> lol 21:03:11 <Zantor> t3h is l33t for teh or the 21:03:13 <Eddi|zuHause> can you repeat that in english? 21:03:25 <Yexo> see topic :) 21:03:29 <Zantor> ph33r my l33t h4x0r talk! 21:03:34 <Zantor> :P 21:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> once upon a time, this was a ban reason 21:04:09 <Zantor> I'm not excessive about it 21:04:11 <Zantor> jeez 21:04:14 <dihedral> i thought it still was ban reason 21:04:19 <dihedral> or at least kick reason 21:04:51 <Yexo> as long as it happens only occasionally and not structurally it's not problem imo 21:04:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:02 <dihedral> Zantor: just a thing to remember - not all communities on the net are wiled about leet 21:05:55 <dihedral> _ln for example seems to have a highlight as soon as someone doesnt use ' :-D 21:06:19 <dihedral> he/she/it then goes on terribly 21:06:42 <dihedral> however leet is not really very welcome around here :-P 21:07:10 <dihedral> perhaps some doom channels over at freenode will welcome you for it though 21:07:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has joined #openttd 21:07:46 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:57 <andythenorth> animated loader nfo. one tile: 5251 lines of code 21:11:00 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:57 <dihedral> Rubidium: r16592 <- what happens when a client gets kicked / banned? 21:14:11 <petern> GOD KILLS A KITTEN 21:14:27 <dihedral> i thought that happens because of other stuff :-D 21:15:18 <dihedral> (11:15:00 PM) dihedral: !rcon kick 3 21:15:18 <dihedral> (11:15:00 PM) Mrs_Console: dihedral: *** dihedraI has left the game (kicked by server) 21:15:18 <dihedral> (11:15:00 PM) Mrs_Console: dihedral: *** dihedraI has left the game (connection lost) 21:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> god is a kitten murdering bastard 21:15:20 <dihedral> hehe 21:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> he will kill kittens for anything 21:16:10 <Westie> yay 21:16:15 <dihedral> can someone reopen FS#2880 :-P 21:16:19 <dihedral> it's not quite fixed 21:16:20 <dihedral> :-D 21:16:45 <dihedral> the fix only concerns quit's not kick or ban :-P 21:17:08 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 21:17:14 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a ' too much ;) 21:33:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.137.222] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:39:57 *** Zantor [user@ppp-70-242-157-2.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has left #openttd [] 21:40:07 <Sacro> grr 21:40:11 <Sacro> how do youset the version? 21:41:19 <Yexo> what version? 21:41:31 <Prof_Frink> of the internet. 21:41:33 <Sacro> in openttd :P 21:41:39 <Sacro> I thought nit was REV= 21:41:43 <Sacro> but it no worky :( 21:42:04 <SmatZ> configure --help? 21:43:21 <Sacro> oh yes 21:48:01 <z-MaTRiX> hey-hoo 21:48:15 <z-MaTRiX> SmatZ<< \o/ 21:49:44 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 21:52:57 <tosse> in an ongoing multiplayer game, can i change improved_load from false to true? 21:53:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:19 <Yexo> did you try? 21:53:51 <tosse> in the main menu, i set it to true, but when i load the game, its off, and the button is pink and can't be changed 21:54:08 <tosse> i also changed the value in openttd.cfg 21:54:26 <Yexo> changes in the main menu have no effect on previously created savegames 21:54:34 <Yexo> and improved_load can't be changed in a network game 21:54:46 <Yexo> you can load the game in sp, change the value, save the game and load it again in mp 21:55:02 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 21:55:10 <Sacro> hmm, nthink i'm getting zlib issues 21:55:14 <Sacro> dbg: [misc] Nested widgets give different results 21:55:17 <Sacro> dbg: [sl] Game Load Failed 21:55:21 <Sacro> Broken savegame - Invalid chunk size 21:55:25 <Sacro> Segmentation fault 21:55:28 <Yexo> dbg: [misc] Nested widgets give different results <- that one is expected 21:55:58 <tosse> Yexo: that worked! thanks :) 21:57:32 <Sacro> Yexo: yes, but the others? :P 21:57:59 <Yexo> invalid chunk size normall indicaetes you're trying to load a savegame saved with a patched version in clean trunk / stable version 21:58:23 <Yexo> if that happens with trunk on a previous trunk savegame something is seriously broken 21:58:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:58 <Sacro> no no, this is IS3 22:00:53 <Yexo> and you tried to load a recent trunk save? 22:00:59 <Yexo> or a savegame from is2? 22:01:10 <Sacro> hmm 22:01:15 <Sacro> i think I have the wrong rev 22:01:21 <Yexo> is3 can't load savegames from is2 22:01:23 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:01:58 <Sacro> hmm, 22:02:08 <Sacro> what#s the hg equivalent of svn up -r 22:02:23 <Rubidium> man hg? 22:03:14 <Yexo> hg up -r 22:03:16 <Sacro> Rubidium: yes, I wanted a specific bit :p 22:03:30 <Yexo> you may need hg pull first 22:03:34 <Sacro> I did a clone 22:03:36 <Rubidium> the commands bit of the hg manual? 22:03:58 <Rubidium> and of that the almost last bit 22:04:27 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 22:04:57 <Sacro> hg update did it 22:05:00 <Yexo> ok, what do I have to do to make a simple animated station tile? 22:05:19 <petern> hoops 22:05:22 <petern> jump through them 22:05:27 <Yexo> I have defined multiple sprite layouts via action 0, I've set prop 16 to 01 01 22:05:36 <Rubidium> rip-off an existing grf with animated stations, preferably one under an acceptable license 22:06:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i think using the word "simple" in that context is quite an understatement :p 22:06:23 <Yexo> most likely :p 22:06:30 <Rubidium> hmm... actually... 22:06:45 <Rubidium> a simple animated station tile == a non animated station tile with action colours 22:07:12 <Yexo> yes, but that's not the sort of animation I'm looking for ;p 22:07:20 <DaleStan> Yexo: Check var ... whichever one it is that provides current animation frame. Either in CB 14 or in the graphics lookup. 22:07:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose those can only blink, flow, or blow up :p 22:10:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.195.160] has joined #openttd 22:11:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.195.160] has quit [] 22:11:55 <Yexo> http://paste.openttd.org/183429 This is my latest nfo. I fail to see how to link the cb to my station tiles 22:12:06 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 22:12:31 <Yexo> and I don't get the nforenum warning: //!!For feature 4 the following cargoIDs have not been used since their most recent definition: 22:12:56 <DaleStan> CB14 selects the prop 09 layout that should be drawn for that tile. 22:13:36 <Yexo> yes, that's what I'm trying to do 22:14:20 <Yexo> I've defined 4 prop 09 layouts, and cb14 should chose 0/1 for animated state 0, and 2/3 for animated state 1 22:14:24 <DaleStan> And that warning is "unreferenced action 2". 22:14:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16597 /branches/0.7/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 22:14:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 22:14:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Also catch FPEs in saveload and the warning about missing NewGRFs; only happens when assertions are disabled and NewGRFs are missing (r16572) 22:14:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: In some cases, train could be stuck in depot [FS#2974] (r16571) 22:14:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIMarine::AreWaterTilesConnected did not return true for bridge head<>neighbouring water tile (r16563) 22:14:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Removing of duplicates of base graphics set could behave randomly (r16548) 22:15:59 <Yexo> I get that warning on my varaction 2 sprite that should be my cb 14 22:17:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16598 /branches/0.7/ (9 files in 3 dirs): 22:17:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 22:17:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Mouse would under some circumstances not be undrawn when drawing the first chat line causing two mouse pointers to be visible [FS#2969] (r16594) 22:17:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not crash when tars/NewGRFs are removed, just tell the file could not be opened/found [FS#2967] (r16590) 22:17:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Set default stack size to 1MB to prevent _chstk crash (MSVC) [FS#2978] (r16589, r16588) 22:17:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Network] Always send the starting date from the game you are currently playing instead the starting date from the config file (r16573) 22:17:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.166.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:34 <DaleStan> That's because your action 3 goes straight to your graphics, not to the callback-check. 22:18:25 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEc669.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:29 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 22:24:57 <Yexo> thanks a lot DaleStan :) 22:25:07 <Yexo> now I'm sure the cb is called 22:25:27 <Yexo> now to figure out why either the animation frame doesn't change or I don't check it correctly 22:25:36 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Hackedy hackedy weg] 22:34:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:34:06 <Yexo> do I need to implement cb 140 to increase the animation frame? 22:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't it be easier to start with an example? 22:34:53 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 22:34:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and complement a tutorial while you're at it ;) 22:35:00 <Yexo> the problem with the exesting newgrfs it that they're way too big 22:39:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:16 <Yexo> nvm, I should just read the specs more carefully 22:51:32 <glx> hmm I have a small station animation grf IIRC 22:51:40 <Yexo> I just got it working :D 22:51:46 <Yexo> only it animates now every tick 22:52:07 <Yexo> but I know why that is I think :) 22:57:27 <glx> http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/ottd/data/stations/statanim.grf and http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/ottd/data/stations/statanim/ 22:57:57 <SmatZ> Impossible d'afficher la page 22:57:58 <glx> nfo is http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/ottd/data/stations/sprites/ 22:58:11 <SmatZ> 403 22:58:23 <Yexo> same here 22:58:40 <DaleStan> Works for me. 22:59:11 <SmatZ> interesting 22:59:34 <Ammler> he might call the nfo directly ;-) 22:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> 403 here, too 22:59:48 <DaleStan> Does your proxy not like sites not running on port 80? 22:59:54 <Eddi|zuHause> too many connections it says 23:00:03 <Yexo> I don't use a proxy 23:00:16 <glx> it's a home IIS, so it may be limited :) 23:00:33 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: ah, true :) 23:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "Trop d'utilisateurs connect?s" 23:01:51 <glx> I can't increase that 23:02:07 <Eddi|zuHause> should have given the link in private ;) 23:02:19 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B805DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:39 <glx> well the problem is probably the link to grf2html page :) 23:04:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8352D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:04:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:04:35 *** TinoDid [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:04:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:17 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [] 23:11:29 <SmatZ> @seen KUDr 23:11:29 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: KUDr was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 6 days, 8 hours, 10 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <KUDr> hi 23:19:58 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:57 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DD6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C35.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... apparently, in hungaria, a lot of people took loans in foreign currency (e.g. SFr), and are now suffering from the decay of their currency 23:48:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8352D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 23:51:08 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:51:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.67.118] has quit [Quit: tuiQ] 23:54:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]