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00:03:39 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:17 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16653 /trunk/src/debug.h: -Fix (r16269): TOC() macro was broken 00:07:15 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:09:10 *** solorvox [~solorvox@dsl-64-30-203-80.static.linkline.com] has joined #openttd 00:10:31 <solorvox> hi all, is there a way to select the refit of the vehicle when using the mass replace function? Or a way to refit all of one type to another? 00:11:22 <SmatZ> it will try to refit to cargo it had before replacing 00:11:23 <SmatZ> iirc 00:11:36 <SmatZ> try it :) 00:11:39 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 00:11:45 <z-MaTRiX> reloaded 00:11:46 <SmatZ> save, try, load if it fails 00:11:54 <SmatZ> hello z-MaTRiX 00:12:02 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho SmatZ 00:12:03 <solorvox> I did, it didn't refit to higher capacity 00:13:13 <solorvox> this bus (1930s) has two capacities, 40 or 57 (city transport I think) 00:13:27 <solorvox> using 0.7.1 btw 00:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> solorvox: did you try in trunk/nightly? i think there was a commit regarding to cargo subtype 00:14:19 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 00:14:42 <solorvox> using r16365 iirc 00:14:56 <solorvox> so like may 21st I think 00:15:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:37 <solorvox> but what if the previous one didn't allow refits, is there a way to mass refit things? 00:15:41 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you cannot specify the refit 00:16:33 <solorvox> hum, if I wasn't traveling at the moment, might look at making a patch. 00:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and you are either using 0.7.1 or r16365, these statements are conflicting 00:17:05 <solorvox> 0.7.1~svn20090521~r16365 00:17:10 <solorvox> is what the file says 00:17:16 <solorvox> it's a .deb 00:17:31 <Yexo> that's 0.7.1, and not a nightly 00:17:46 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:53 <solorvox> well I took svn to mean a nightly checkout 00:18:07 <Yexo> in that case it's named wrong 00:18:20 <glx> blame the packager 00:18:39 <Yexo> there is no 16365 in the 0.7 branch, so most likely it's indeed a trunk version 00:18:41 <Eddi|zuHause> nightlies are leading to 0.8 00:18:59 <Yexo> but as Eddi|zuHause sais, they should be named 0.8.0-something 00:19:06 <Eddi|zuHause> so yell at the packager 00:19:11 <solorvox> so then I do have a nightly 00:19:25 <Yexo> but an old one 00:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> a nightly that is a month old 00:19:37 <Yexo> we're at r16653 now 00:20:20 <solorvox> using an eeepc, so compiling the source isn't too practical 00:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't update a nightly regularly, there is no need to run a nightly at all (except you need some killer feature) 00:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> there are binaries for many platforms 00:21:17 <solorvox> I checked the sourceforge page but didn't see a amd64 deb for ubuntu. 00:21:28 <Yexo> the debian one will work fine 00:21:35 <solorvox> but either way, only looking for an easy way to refit... 00:22:02 <SmatZ> solorvox: 1) get sources 2) start compiling sources 3) go have a shower, shopping, eat, sleep ... 4) it's finished 00:22:35 <Yexo> only releases can be found on sourceforge, the rest is on openttd.org 00:22:40 <solorvox> smatz, you forget the larger issue, the eeepc has limited ssd space, compiler, libs, header files, etc is huge 00:22:49 <solorvox> not just processor power 00:23:06 <SmatZ> solorvox: I just know people who do it that way, on an EEE :) 00:23:11 <solorvox> I'm not against source, I'm a part time/ex gentoo dev 00:23:19 <SmatZ> solorvox: frosch123 is the best person to ask about this... 00:23:20 <solorvox> just not good fit here. 00:23:46 <Yexo> solorvox: did you try these: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r16645/openttd-trunk-r16645-linux-debian-etch-amd64.deb 00:24:02 <solorvox> but I think it was already said, there isn't a way to mass-refit (yet) 00:24:05 <SmatZ> you can try waiting for him (~10:00 GMT), or open a feature request :) 00:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> solorvox: you can set refit orders separate from the autoreplace 00:24:46 <SmatZ> good idea! 00:24:54 <SmatZ> hack :) 00:24:58 <solorvox> have to say though, I got this game when it came out in the 90s, loved it then... but openttd fixes sooooo many things that just make it more fun 00:25:13 <SmatZ> good to hear ;) 00:25:27 <solorvox> Eddi|zuHause, you mean one at a time though? 00:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, needs to be done for each (shared) order list individually 00:25:51 <solorvox> I was playing a map in the 1930s with only buses, have like 130 or so. 00:26:47 <Eddi|zuHause> "go to depot" orders can have a "refit to XYZ" flag 00:27:05 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if that takes notice of cargo subtypes, though 00:27:06 <solorvox> would that work on the "un-grouped" list? 00:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no 00:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but might be a good place to start the patch ;) 00:29:43 <solorvox> oh, and by the way, was reading on the forums about an "ai building speed", where can I find that? 00:30:28 <Yexo> difficulty settings 00:30:35 <solorvox> on easy the ai has rails built in < 20 seconds on all new subsides 00:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you might want to talk to the AI author about toning it down a notch ;) 00:36:52 <solorvox> I'm still very impressed with all the work. Nice to see that this great game not only is still alive, but has improved with so many additions 00:38:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. this is one of the more succesful open-source-game-revivals 00:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> there are many failed ones out there... 00:41:05 <solorvox> wiki is great too, actually seeing the math involved in ratings/etc helps a lot. 00:41:45 <solorvox> although might need a few tweaks, think it still says in places goods help city growth, but devs posted on forums that code said it didn't 00:43:43 <solorvox> btw, there isn't a undo key, is there? my biggest grip is laying track/destroying the wrong thing and having to spend more money to fix the mistake. :) 00:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there is an undo function, it is called loading autosave 00:45:25 <solorvox> not what I meant... auto save is what, once per month? you could lose a bit that way 00:45:29 <Yexo> and there won't be one either, for more info search for "forum knob" in the forums :) 00:45:40 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.144.147.92] has joined #openttd 00:45:48 <Audigex> ello 00:45:54 <Yexo> hello Audigex 00:46:02 <Audigex> hey :) 00:46:13 <Audigex> oh crap, just knocked my mouse dongle out 00:46:17 <Audigex> and now i've lost it 00:46:22 <Audigex> ah wait, got it :) 00:55:59 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Is it possible to show the bounding boxes for sprites / sprite layouts in-game? 00:57:45 <Yexo> ctrl+b 00:58:07 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Thanks 01:20:35 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:26:24 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Anyone have a free minute or two to help with a few bounding box questions? I'm Trying to order and code 3 sprites for a given station tile that has a NW/SE orientation... F3 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FA 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F4 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 61 04 00 00 80 where FA 04 is the "nearest piece" F4 04 is the mock track and back wall, and 61 04 is the "ground" 01:27:06 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Trying to work through http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Stations, but having a hard time with it 01:27:15 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.196.200] has joined #openttd 01:32:15 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B831AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:49 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:35:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:52 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 01:38:57 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 01:41:23 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 01:42:09 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 01:47:07 *** solorvox [~solorvox@dsl-64-30-203-80.static.linkline.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:04 <Audigex> how the bloody hell do you make a chevron shape in isometric? 01:53:15 <Audigex> on a train / view, on the front 01:53:18 <Audigex> i need a protractor... 01:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> besides i have no idea what a chevron shape is, the transformation from 3D-coordinates to 2D-isometric-coordinates is very easy 01:56:08 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 01:56:26 <reldred> Draw a face on view, non isometric, than work accross every two pixels accross and move it one pixel up. It'll be rough, you'll need to fill in edges here and there, but that's roughly how you translate any complex 2d shape to isometric. 01:56:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:56:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:56:39 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:03 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:09:18 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:17:57 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:17:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:18:53 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:36 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 02:39:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c110:c08e:4b19:d63f] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:00:33 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-31-56.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:23 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-31-213.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:08 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:51 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:39:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:03 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:12:10 *** Svish [~torleif85@84.20.108.17] has joined #openttd 04:12:49 *** Svish is now known as Guest742 04:13:31 *** Guest742 [~torleif85@84.20.108.17] has left #openttd [] 04:14:15 *** Svishy [~torleif85@84.20.108.17] has joined #openttd 04:16:01 *** Svishy is now known as Svish 04:50:34 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.144.147.92] has quit [] 05:01:24 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:47:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-166-55.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 06:00:10 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 06:16:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 06:17:25 *** worldemar [~tsukimiya@188.122.234.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:45 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:54:07 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:58:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:10 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 07:21:48 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.196.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:32 <z-MaTRiX> [024343] solorvox btw, there isn't a undo key, is there? my biggest grip is laying track/destroying the wrong thing and having to spend more money to fix the mistake. :) 07:32:54 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:33:55 <z-MaTRiX> interesting question, it could be possible by queueing commands, and let there be an apply button, undo button, and discard button 07:35:58 <petern> no 07:50:03 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50:35 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 07:53:51 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.198.182] has joined #openttd 08:08:18 <dihedral> can one not vote-ban people from certain forums? :-P 08:09:18 <Yexo> if we put you in charge of who to ban the forums would be empty :) 08:09:32 <planetmaker> I'd vote for banning all flame posts. 08:10:13 <z-MaTRiX> :) 08:10:22 <petern> if it's true, is it still a flame? 08:10:43 <planetmaker> petern, ever heart of "don't feed the trolls"? :) 08:12:13 <planetmaker> Let those kids have their fun... 08:12:22 <planetmaker> some problems solve themselves, if you don't pay attention :) 08:13:52 <planetmaker> just to be clear: I agree with what was written. Just not with the tone (or the necessity to write it at all) 08:14:59 <Yexo> planetmaker: are you talking about Alain's latest patchpatck topic? 08:15:15 <planetmaker> yes 08:16:07 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe48f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:16:18 <Yexo> without the "Edit: ..." part dihedral's post is perfectly fine imo 08:16:40 <Yexo> the tone is not nice, but what do you expect after ignoring so much helpfull replies? 08:16:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 08:17:36 <planetmaker> Yes, without the edit it's not nice, but appropriate. With the edit it's a pointless, abusive flame. 08:19:05 <Rubidium> oh just follow dihedral's solution and ignore him (i.e. dihedral) on both the forum and on irc. That's what he's asking for, right? 08:19:16 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes :) 08:20:20 <planetmaker> Only thing I wonder over and over is why the call for ignoring someone has to be done with all the loudness one can muster. 08:21:35 <Rubidium> because he is losing people that pay attention to him, i.e. do not ignore him. This way he gets some attention back 08:21:51 <Rubidium> so you lot talking about it is exactly what 'the ignored' wants 08:22:14 <planetmaker> yes. 08:22:25 <planetmaker> that's my point. 08:22:47 <planetmaker> Mind that I didn't answer the forums for exactly that reason :) But ok, 'nough said :) 08:22:49 <planetmaker> :-x 08:26:44 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:27:58 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> oh just follow dihedral's solution and ignore him (i.e. dihedral) on both the forum and on irc. That's what he's asking for, right? <- that would be fine, but the forum's ignore function is useless 08:28:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> Only thing I wonder over and over is why the call for ignoring someone has to be done with all the loudness one can muster. <- the loudest person is always the one shouting "silence" 08:28:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:30:55 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes :) My point. 08:32:05 <dihedral> edited the post, happy? 08:32:51 <dihedral> besides the fact of a pm 08:32:52 <dihedral> and you never seem to get the hint that i going to push this and work on it more then i did with KGAT i just fort that it be nice for a bit of help to get patchs in now just the ones i want but for every one or do you not get the hint at all as well 08:32:58 <dihedral> ^ from alain 08:33:07 <dihedral> it's your forum 08:33:42 <petern> WHAT'S THAT COMING OVER THE HILL 08:33:54 <Rubidium> rain! 08:34:56 <petern> oh okay 08:34:58 <petern> urgh 08:35:03 <petern> need more sleep 08:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sieh, der Wind treibt Regen ?bers Land 08:39:29 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:44 * petern ponders scrapping the new rail type sprite drawing stuff and just using the existing method 08:40:32 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #openttd 08:40:58 <Yexo> what is the difference between the existing and new method? 08:42:04 <petern> the new method draws the ground sprite and then a rail sprite overlay 08:42:26 <petern> it's just one combined sprite in the existing method 08:42:31 <petern> (except for some junctions) 08:42:32 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:06 <Yexo> to effectively you are drawing two sprites as ground sprites? 08:43:08 <Rubidium> i.e. the new method will have better results when someone changes the base tiles to look differently 08:44:00 <Rubidium> e.g. the czech rail stuff doesn't need to make a different version for opengfx 08:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause> or every bridge grf doesn't have to include every rail grf 08:46:03 <Rubidium> or every road grf needing to include every rail grf for crossing (or vice versa) 08:46:32 <Rubidium> although it'll break NewGRFs 08:46:58 <Rubidium> but fix all kinds of NewGRF issues/inconsistencies in a manner that's easier for the NewGRF authors 08:48:26 <petern> break? 08:49:19 <Eddi|zuHause> not more than engine-pool "breaks" newgrfs 08:49:40 <planetmaker> If I may have a wish: separate the track from the ground :) Especially wrt bridges it'd be very favourable :) 08:49:47 <planetmaker> so... new method :P 08:50:23 <Rubidium> petern: anything that isn't "as is done in current specs/TTDP" breaks NewGRFs according to some NewGRF authors 08:51:37 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 08:51:43 <Rubidium> for example have 4 gradations of snowiness instead of just 1 08:52:53 <Rubidium> but in the long term NewGRFs would be less likely to break eachother at the expense of not being able to support TTDP, or TTDP has to support the new system too 08:53:23 <planetmaker> hehe... yet another advanced setting... enable new tracks [yes|no] 08:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you do realize that "we first develop a common format based on the existing used ones, then we develop our own extensions that are incompatible with the other implementations" is exactly how microsoft works? 08:54:55 <planetmaker> :P 08:55:08 <petern> why does it need another setting 08:55:18 <petern> as the patch stands, the old method still "works" 08:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it will just have the track sprite using the full available space 08:57:02 <Eddi|zuHause> overwriting the underlying base sprites 08:58:21 <planetmaker> isn't that ok? 08:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, which is why your proposed setting does not make any sense 09:01:13 <petern> ? 09:01:17 <petern> that's the problem 09:01:23 <petern> the patch has both methods in it 09:01:28 <petern> so there's some duplication 09:01:35 <petern> but the old method works along side the new method 09:01:49 <petern> proposed setting is pointless though, yeah 09:02:23 <planetmaker> ok. I wasn't aware that TTDP allows for both. 09:02:31 <petern> ... 09:02:45 <petern> ok 09:02:54 <petern> patch == the hg tree i'm working on :p 09:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "the patch" being "the railtypes patch" 09:03:05 <planetmaker> :P urgs. ;) 09:03:13 <planetmaker> :-X 09:03:26 <Eddi|zuHause> -3 XP for missing the point ;) 09:03:39 <planetmaker> uff. That's cheap :) 09:04:00 <planetmaker> penalty accepted 09:04:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a typical value? 30? 300? 09:04:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:04:46 <petern> over 9000, i'd say 09:06:31 <planetmaker> that'd be cruel, petern ;) 09:08:25 <planetmaker> anyway... As long as the new method has backward compatibility (as I gathered and expect), a new method is fine IMO. 09:08:39 <planetmaker> Especially as ground sprites and tracks are something differently by design. 09:08:53 <planetmaker> well... by purpose. By design not yet :) 09:19:48 <Rubidium> too bad SI's exa isn't abbreviated to X 09:23:43 <petern> planetmaker, not yet? 09:24:07 <planetmaker> petern, well... for bridges at least not :) 09:26:26 <petern> it's not? 09:27:37 <petern> 06 *Bridge surfaces 6 09:27:37 <petern> heh 09:28:24 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 09:29:56 <planetmaker> petern, I didn't mean your patch, but current trunk. Am I wrong there? Then I wonder why all those bridge sprites have to be a new one for each road / rail type supported... 09:30:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:32:03 <petern> oh 09:32:12 <petern> who cares about trunk 09:32:18 <petern> all the cool kids merge my patch 09:32:30 <Noldo> :D 09:32:58 <petern> wonder if 4 weeks trunk commits will break it ;p 09:33:11 <Rubidium> yes it can 09:33:20 <petern> will, not can 09:33:28 <petern> i know it will :) 09:33:42 <Noldo> tweak tweak 09:34:08 <petern> only 3 files 09:34:41 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:22 <petern> cool, i can remove my extra viewport function :D 09:47:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:22 <petern> oh, that's why my mp3 stream was chugging... my server can't handle -j8 very well 09:53:27 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 09:54:07 <petern> oh, maybe i can't remove it :s 09:54:23 <petern> or i can 09:54:26 <petern> misread 09:54:37 <Noldo> you can do ANYTHING! 09:57:25 <petern> emote: added 217 changesets with 766 changes to 298 files 09:57:25 <petern> remote: /usr/local/bin/ssh: line 7: echo: write error: Broken pipe 09:57:28 <petern> :d 09:57:38 <petern> hmm, maybe that's normal :s 09:57:44 <Noldo> maybe 09:58:22 <petern> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/peter1138/railtypes.hg/rev/883ec9f2064d 09:58:24 <petern> ^ should be right 09:58:32 <petern> haven't actually tested it, of course 09:59:10 <Noldo> well, of cource 09:59:20 <Noldo> are having a manic phase? 09:59:28 <petern> NO!!!! 10:05:50 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:06:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:07:45 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-12-254-117.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 10:12:04 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 10:13:04 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Booth 10:14:10 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:33 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 10:20:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 10:22:19 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226144016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:25:28 *** Yrol [~Yrol@BAF4d6c.baf.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:27:06 <Yrol> hello :o) does someone of you use the The North American Renewal Set (NARS2) from pikkawikki? i havea question regarding the trainintroductiondates-. 10:27:52 <dihedral> Yrol, perhaps you might find a bunch of people in #openttdcoop who can help 10:27:58 <dihedral> they use newgrf's all the time 10:28:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:28:12 <Yrol> thank you, dihedral :o) 10:32:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 10:34:04 *** Yrol [~Yrol@BAF4d6c.baf.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 10:38:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:39:13 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 10:41:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:49:03 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:00:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:00:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:06:37 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:24 *** WildFlame [danger@host-62-141-209-13.swidnica.mm.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:16:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:21:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:22:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 11:25:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:40:16 <planetmaker> I've the palette file for win sprites for gimp. But I seem to miss the place where I can import that palette file. Anyone familiar with that and knows how? 11:40:53 <planetmaker> the set colour map option doesn't seem to have an import option... 11:42:17 <planetmaker> nvm. Found it... 11:45:25 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> heya all 11:45:38 <ZxBiohazardZx> can someone answer my quicky question?:) 11:46:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> how can i change the screenshot directory (aka if i do control+s, how can i change the dir the shot is saved...) 11:46:07 <petern> no 11:46:12 <petern> oh damn, i did answer it 11:46:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> ;) 11:46:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:380a:8912:5deb:1a43] has joined #openttd 11:46:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:49:04 <Eddi|zuHause> screenshots are placed next to the cfg 11:49:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> so do you know how to change that screenshot dir? 11:49:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> so cfg-location determines the screenshots? 11:49:32 <petern> that's what he said 11:49:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> aka if i copy the CFG i change screenshot dir:) 11:49:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah 11:49:38 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i want to know 11:49:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> can i change the dir in any way;) 11:49:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> so it gets placed in lets say myopenttdscreenshots rather then in openttd folder 11:50:18 <glx> no 11:51:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> lame:( 11:51:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> so way to code it into the cfg somehow? 11:51:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:52:36 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.170.73] has joined #openttd 11:53:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af2aa90.tcl126.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:01:14 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:01:50 <dihedral> ZxBiohazardZx, readme.txt, tells you all about the config file 12:02:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill check that :) 12:02:09 <dihedral> + openttd.exe --help gives you an option to specify your own location of a config file 12:02:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:02:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> i dont want config file to be moved, i want screenshots to be put in different location:P 12:02:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> but ill do the readme:) 12:02:38 <dihedral> and also note, save games, newgrf files, etc. are searched for / stored relative to the config file 12:02:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "i don't want to work, i want money flowing into my account" 12:03:10 <dihedral> uh - that sounds familiar now 12:04:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> how come the savegames are picked up from the .exe directory and the screenshots are put somewhere else then XD 12:04:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol eddi im willing to work, i just need someone to point me to the work:) 12:05:42 <glx> only if there's a save dir in exe dir 12:05:58 <glx> that's explained in readme 12:06:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> i cant find the readme, is it on wiki as well? 12:06:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> readme.txt is not in the "trunk" dir nor in my other dirs:P 12:06:45 <planetmaker> it's in the dir where your exe is. 12:07:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> i checked that dir first, no readme.txt XD 12:07:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> i can do magic:) 12:07:19 <planetmaker> ls ~/ottd/trunk/*.txt 12:07:19 <planetmaker> /home/ingo/ottd/trunk/changelog.txt /home/ingo/ottd/trunk/known-bugs.txt /home/ingo/ottd/trunk/readme.txt 12:07:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> the .exe is in trunk/bin 12:07:50 <planetmaker> well. then one dir above that maybe. But you will have it. There's no version without 12:07:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> i do find the changelog and known bugs 12:07:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> but no readme.txt:P 12:07:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> roflmao:) 12:08:03 <planetmaker> then you deleted it. 12:08:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> there is a config.txt? 12:08:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill check recycle bin XD 12:09:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> It's mostly undocumented. 12:09:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> i love the readmy help:) 12:09:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> almost all settings can be done ingame using advanced settings (read the others arent explained) 12:10:21 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.198.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> is there a wiki for the CFG file? 12:10:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i can do random guessing:P 12:10:58 <planetmaker> there's a wiki. 12:11:13 <planetmaker> you might try the most obvious URL 12:11:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> for example, screenshot_format if i wanted 800x600 would that be 800, 600 (as with resolution) or? 12:11:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD wiki.openttd.org 12:11:36 <ZxBiohazardZx> i could find the wiki:) 12:12:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.61] has joined #openttd 12:12:46 <Eddi|zuHause> since when does "format" have anything to do with "resolution"? 12:13:02 <Eddi|zuHause> if it was that, it would be screenshot_resolution 12:13:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 12:13:28 <Eddi|zuHause> format is pcx, bmp, png 12:13:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> kk i see in wiki, its empty but ingame i set PNG 12:13:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> again im wondering why its not in the CFG....XD 12:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> and there is the canonical documentation for settings 12:14:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> canonical?:P 12:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (that's a euphemism for "source code") 12:14:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> as in the wiki? 12:14:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe the wiki does offer some help 12:15:05 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:15:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i already see that my requested option (save screenshots in other dir) aint in the package XD 12:15:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> so educate me on building a feature XD (joking for real:) ) 12:17:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> would it be hard to implent? 12:17:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause the "action" of taking a screenshot is already there and the "default" is the CFG folder 12:18:03 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:18:20 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-27-251-176.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:18:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyone ever done screenshot modefications or documented stuff about that? 12:23:55 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:55 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:25 *** Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-12-254-117.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:13 <ZxBiohazardZx> In OpenTTD screenshots are automatically saved to files in the game's installation directory. (wiki) 12:25:23 <Rubidium> I reckon someone has made screenshot modifications, though that's purely on the fact that TTD doesn't know PNG 12:25:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> so how can i force the game to move that location? 12:25:46 <Belugas> with a stick if it does not comply 12:25:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> :P 12:25:51 <Belugas> GO ON, MOVE!! 12:25:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> i can manually move it every time:P 12:26:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im looking for a way to get the screenshot in a user-defined directory 12:26:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> and currently there is no method for it 12:26:52 <planetmaker> yes 12:26:58 <Belugas> hello, all, by the way... 12:27:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> its just automaticly placed in install foldel XD 12:27:03 <ZxBiohazardZx> heya 12:27:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> so without any knowledge of coding 12:27:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> i should just post in "suggestions" or "development" forum to request the feature?:P 12:28:26 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: the wiki is know to be incorrect in cases 12:28:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> Rubidium, you say it IS posible to define a location? 12:29:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> because the config file doesnt show the option 12:29:15 <Rubidium> for example: it gets placed next to openttd.cfg, although openttd.cfg used to be in the install folder 12:29:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> nor does the wiki say its posible, nor anyone here so far till you showed up:) 12:29:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> nah my cfg is in a shared folder:P 12:29:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> but if i dont want to move the cfg file, and DO want to move the screenshots:) 12:29:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i heard they get placed with cfg file 12:30:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i want them to be splitted from that 12:30:08 <Rubidium> that's not going to happen, unless you do some magic with symbolic links 12:30:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i have my "game" folder for stuff and my "screenshots" folder for screenshots 12:30:49 <Rubidium> now I'm making the assumption that you are running on Windows, which means I've got no idea how to make symbolic links 12:31:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium why its it not going to happen?XD in the code you already have a screenshot and a "default" location, if i change "default" by "location" im done? (assuming thats the way its done) 12:31:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> and yeah im running windows and i dont know shit about coding:) 12:31:37 <ZxBiohazardZx> i just like to play XD 12:32:07 <Belugas> play and beg... 12:32:25 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: where did I say it is not going to happen? 12:32:33 <Belugas> and i like to play too... in fact, i love to play... with Petern 12:32:35 <Belugas> whouahahaha!!! 12:32:44 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: where in the code is the "screenshot location"? 12:32:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> 'that's not going to happen' you said if for real rubidium 12:33:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol 12:33:02 <Rubidium> seems you know more than I know, so YOU are the person that should know 12:33:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> if i do control+s (screenshot) then the game takes a snapshot (action? thus has to be defined???) and then places that file in the cfg directory 12:34:07 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:34:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> and the cfg directory is not in my trunk folder but on a shared folder 12:34:23 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:32 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: I reacted on something else 12:34:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> so somehow you manage to link "action" control+s to "taking screenshot" and then link that to cfg folder 12:35:26 <Rubidium> in what way does that imply that the cfg folder is a different entity from the screenshot folder? 12:36:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> for me that is the case 12:37:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> i like my cfg file (configuration for the game) in the game dir, and the sceenshots in another dir.... 12:37:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> but due to the code, i cant do that 12:37:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> i was hoping i could specefy a folder in the config file 12:37:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> but apparently not:P 12:38:17 <Rubidium> why does this remind me of that person that wanted to specify the location of the config file in the config file? 12:38:42 <planetmaker> hahaha :) 12:38:46 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Sounds like pure genius to me 12:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> that's very... recursive :p 12:39:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> that last one is just stupid 12:40:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause config file == config file 12:40:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> but screenshot =/ config file 12:40:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> and i DO think my case is different 12:40:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> but ill brb 12:40:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> :) 12:40:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> leave you all to do better work;) 12:40:57 <Rubidium> why do I mentally replace ill with sick? 12:41:07 <Rubidium> but sick brb <- doesn't make any sense to me 12:41:22 <dihedral> hehe :-D 12:42:03 <planetmaker> it does for me, if you disregard grammar :P 12:42:15 <Belugas> it can... : Contraction to "I'm ill, brb" like... let me puke, i'll be back 12:42:48 <planetmaker> :) 12:43:20 <dihedral> any more details please? 12:44:03 <Belugas> well... i'm not the one ill 12:45:01 <Belugas> but if it was my case, let say... predigested coffee, toast with peanut butter in a brownishly pale colour... 12:45:20 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Trying to code a station tile with three sprites in addition to the default NW/SE track graphic, and having some difficulty understanding http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Stations. Thus far, I have F3 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 61 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F4 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FA 04 00 00 80 , where F3 03 is the default track, 61 04 is the "floor," F4 04 is the "back wall" (train should pass in 12:45:20 <Belugas> all them happily floating at the surface of the toilet bowl 12:46:21 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> "D" (sprite number to draw) sounds like I should at least have F3 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [00] 61 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [01] F4 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 [02] FA 04 00 00 80 12:47:24 * Belugas runs away at the sight of this insanity 12:47:30 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> ... 12:47:35 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> heh 12:50:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:56:28 <Belugas> i don't understand a thing of it, Chicago_Rail_Authority. You might post it on paste.openttd.org, with some formattingf and command. although... i do not know if anyone would easily and quickly retply to ya 12:56:53 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> no worries, Belugas 13:28:45 <planetmaker> concerning sprite positions: which corner of a sprite do xpos and ypos specify: lower left or upper left? 13:30:10 <petern> top corner 13:30:16 <planetmaker> thx. 13:31:42 <Belugas> and here we go again, resuming our certification :S 13:31:57 * planetmaker certifies "good guy". 13:32:10 <planetmaker> need another? ;) 13:32:25 * petern 8 13:36:30 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 13:50:33 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:43 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.2] has joined #openttd 13:57:29 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 13:58:51 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-27-251-176.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.104] has joined #openttd 14:01:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@89.246.221.231] has joined #openttd 14:05:28 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-78.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.162.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:14:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:14:58 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:15:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:21:25 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af2aa90.tcl126.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21:45 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.242.170.144] has joined #openttd 14:22:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:26:30 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 14:28:23 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:28:48 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 14:35:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:38:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:41:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 14:49:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:51:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:52:42 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:54:25 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:55:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:380a:8912:5deb:1a43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:380a:8912:5deb:1a43] has joined #openttd 14:55:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:57:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff589.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:12 <Belugas> so... almost finished with this one... 15:02:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-27-251-176.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:45 <petern> urgh, too hot 15:05:41 <petern> 2 chord 15:08:16 <Belugas> :) 15:08:47 <Belugas> not tried, but i'd guess Em, A 15:14:57 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 15:15:31 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as booth 15:21:05 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-27-251-176.glfd.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:05 *** booth is now known as Chris_Booth 15:21:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:21:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:21:58 <Bjarni> hello 15:22:04 <Bjarni> anybody here? 15:22:59 <Ammler> Bjarni: first time on IRC? 15:23:05 <Bjarni> no 15:23:09 <Ammler> :-D 15:23:24 <Bjarni> I just wondered if anybody were reading the channel right now 15:23:35 <petern> was 15:23:44 <frosch123> Ammler: he is sad, that there was no "!BJARNI ! BJARN? 15:23:44 <Bjarni> I have a weird issue 15:24:09 <Bjarni> firefox can't use java, so I installed that java runtime environment and installed it as a plugin like the documentation said 15:24:15 <Bjarni> yet firefox can't detect it 15:24:18 <Bjarni> and I have no idea why 15:24:28 <SirSquidness> Ammler: one must ask the question... if it was his first time on IRC, how did he gain the @? 15:24:28 <Bjarni> the documentation doesn't say anything about this issue 15:24:31 <SirSquidness> D= 15:24:31 <Bjarni> any ideas? 15:25:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:25:44 <Bjarni> SirSquidness: that's a really good question. However I couldn't care less right now. I have something else which takes priority 15:25:59 <Bjarni> I need to get this setup to work today >_< 15:26:17 <SirSquidness> does it show up as a plugin in firefox? 15:26:21 <Bjarni> no 15:26:35 <Bjarni> firefox claims not to have any plugins at all 15:26:39 <petern> what OS? 15:26:44 <Bjarni> linux 15:27:04 <Ammler> I use FF with java there, too. 15:27:12 <Ammler> (not as plugin) 15:27:23 <Bjarni> how did you set it up? 15:27:27 <SirSquidness> it should pop up a thing saying "firefox need a plugin to display this content" or something? 15:27:47 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Booth 15:27:48 <Bjarni> SirSquidness: yeah and then it tells that it failed and sends me to a manual install page where I did as it said 15:28:06 <Ammler> hmm, oh plugin, not add-on :-) 15:28:35 <Booth> hello 15:28:53 <Ammler> Bjarni: there is a setting, where you need to activate Java 15:29:00 <Bjarni> I already did that 15:29:01 <Ammler> is that set? 15:29:02 <petern> did you install java from OS packages or from some 3rd party site? 15:29:29 <Bjarni> I took the one on java.com 15:30:07 <petern> check for OS packages 15:30:24 <petern> it's probably either installed in the wrong place, or missing dependencies, or... who knows 15:34:34 <Bjarni> oh dear 15:34:43 <Bjarni> looks like the OS packages are all in Russian D: 15:35:41 <Ammler> what distro? 15:35:50 <Bjarni> ASPlinux 12 15:36:04 <Bjarni> it was the OS already installed in a free virtual machine I downloaded 15:36:09 <petern> "ASPLinux is Russian company developing ASPLinux" 15:36:16 <petern> so yeah 15:36:23 <Bjarni> I just realised that 15:36:30 <Bjarni> but the interface is in English 15:36:49 <Bjarni> hmm 15:37:28 <Bjarni> this simple solution turned out not to be so simple after all 15:38:21 <Bjarni> is there an easy access to OS packages in ubuntu? 15:38:46 <Bjarni> read: if I install ubuntu instead will I be able to easily install java? 15:39:07 <Ammler> well, on most distros is 15:39:27 * Bjarni downloads ubuntu and will try this again 15:39:38 <Ammler> something like "apt-get install java..." 15:40:21 <Ammler> but I guess, you won't need to install java after install anymore. 15:40:45 <petern> not with ubuntu 15:40:55 <petern> you'll get a 800GB default install with every crap you might want 15:40:58 <Ammler> oh, I thought, they install also non-oss 15:42:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16654 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: cache industries in station's coverage area instead of searching them everytime payment is made 15:42:16 <petern> "open" sound system? heh 15:42:23 <Bjarni> well, the download is 710 mb, so there is a chance that it will have all sorts of stuff that I will never need ;) 15:51:58 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16655 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_station.cpp station.cpp station_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: use IsRailwayStationTile() more 16:00:12 <dihedral> use debian :-) 16:00:58 <Bjarni> why? 16:01:02 <Bjarni> is it easier? 16:02:27 <dihedral> oh - you want easy? 16:02:29 <Belugas> is it easter? 16:03:00 <dihedral> then go for something like osx, open suse, fedora, perhaps mint is something for you 16:03:53 <Bjarni> I need something with a web browser with full java support and it shouldn't be too complex to set up 16:04:28 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=798688#p798688 <- hehehe 16:07:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16656 /trunk/src/station.cpp: -Fix (r16655): strange things happen 16:09:38 <Ammler> Bjarni: how did you chose ASPLinux? 16:10:09 <Bjarni> preinstalled virtual machine 16:10:19 <Bjarni> so I just downloaded the image 16:11:06 <Xaroth> VMs ftw. 16:12:15 <Bjarni> Xaroth: you have a problem with VMs? 16:12:24 <Xaroth> nope 16:12:27 <Xaroth> ftw == for teh win 16:12:33 <Bjarni> ... 16:12:37 <Xaroth> well, as long as ESX doesn't fuck up 16:12:47 <Xaroth> but that's the host os' fault, not the vms themselves 16:13:05 <Bjarni> just heard a car hitting the brakes outside really hard and it was followed by a bump 16:13:20 <Bjarni> sounds like somebody dented their car 16:13:27 <Xaroth> poor car 16:13:42 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:13:52 <dihedral> aw crap 16:14:00 <Prof_Frink> Not necesarily their car. 16:14:02 <dihedral> means someone will not have time to do all the patching 16:14:41 <Prof_Frink> It could just as easily be their mum's car. 16:15:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:15:31 <dihedral> hehe - sombodies mom has a dented booty :-D 16:18:14 <Prof_Frink> http://alanblanchflower.co.uk/images/sadcar.jpg 16:18:24 <Sacro> frinky! 16:18:39 <Prof_Frink> Gameloser! 16:20:10 * Prof_Frink is going climbering 16:21:02 <Sacro> hull is flooding! again! 16:21:09 <Prof_Frink> Huzzah! 16:21:46 <Sacro> oh yes 16:21:53 <Sacro> 24" water main burst 16:22:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:22:22 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 16:26:42 <Bjarni> <Sacro> hull is flooding! again! <-- again? 16:26:54 <Bjarni> are you flooded once a month or something? 16:27:03 <Sacro> no no 16:27:13 <Sacro> this is exactly 2 years since last time 16:27:44 <Bjarni> so how bad is it? 16:27:58 <Sacro> burst drain, water is shut off toa lot of the city 16:27:59 <dihedral> he's still got electricity ^^ 16:28:06 <Sacro> yeah, leccy is fine 16:28:56 <Bjarni> hang on. I will upload some pics I have taken of flooding 16:29:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E8E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:27 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Any suggestions for drawing isometric circles (large ones)? 16:31:43 <Booth> use a compas 16:31:50 <Booth> and some paper 16:31:54 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Yea... 16:32:00 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Digitally, though 16:32:11 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Any tricks within GIMP? 16:32:16 <dihedral> then scan it then print it again 16:32:28 <Booth> lol @ dih 16:34:03 <petern> draw a regular circle, then map it 16:35:21 <Booth> make a grid 360 square by 360 minimum 16:35:50 <Booth> then at each corner rotatte 1 degree 16:36:10 <Rubidium> _ <- that's a circle mapped to the isometric view 16:36:45 <Rubidium> without shading though 16:36:47 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/flood/flood1.jpg <-- electricity safely :) 16:36:57 <Bjarni> (I didn't feel like touching the water) 16:37:09 <dihedral> hehe 16:37:11 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/flood/flood2.jpg <-- nice driving 16:37:25 <Bjarni> unlike what people might think the water came first o_O 16:37:28 <dihedral> Bjarni: throw a fish in it, a wait until a thirsty dog comes along 16:37:48 <Rubidium> Bjarni: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/date/2009-06-22?page=5 <- that's flooding 16:38:09 <Rubidium> don't forget the page in front of it and the pages after it 16:38:13 <Bjarni> in fact the police blocked the road, then the car showed up and drove though the barrier while the police was present and tried to stop the car 16:38:30 <Bjarni> it speeded away but didn't get really far 16:38:53 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/flood/flood3.jpg <-- one more pic. This time of the water buildup 16:39:39 <Bjarni> Sacro: is Hull like that right now? 16:41:16 <petern> 17:36 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> not sure what you mean by "map it" 16:41:21 <petern> (no need to keep PMing me) 16:41:38 <petern> the circle is on a grid 16:41:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r16657 /trunk/src/lang/ (finnish.txt serbian.txt): 16:41:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-25 16:41:10 16:41:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 fixed by jpx_ (1) 16:41:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 110 fixed by etran (110) 16:41:48 <dihedral> HAHA 16:41:49 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:42:05 <dihedral> petern: dont you like receiving pm's ? 16:42:06 <petern> you just map that to a grid in isometric view 16:44:58 <planetmaker> hm... is it wrong for the isometric view in OpenTTD to assume y -> y/2 for anything in a horizontal plane? 16:46:55 <petern> ? 16:52:08 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:53:44 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:59 <planetmaker> projecting from a plane on e.g. a piece of paper to isometric coordinates on e.g. the ground. 16:54:03 <planetmaker> but nvm 16:59:43 <petern> psst, openttd isn't isometric ;p 17:00:05 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> k 17:05:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@wired-78.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 17:07:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:54 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:28 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:39 <planetmaker> hehe :) Dimetric 17:17:57 *** gotiniens [~gotiniens@ip234-32-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 17:36:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:43:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B832F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:09:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16660 /trunk/src/ (12 files): -Codechange: get rid of more dummy tile_type_procs 20:21:31 <planetmaker> hm... don't wt3's commit messages show anymore who changed how many strings? 20:24:59 <petern> "any more", and it should be at the end of the sentence 20:26:58 *** cnk [~scenic@sovereign.computergmbh.de] has joined #openttd 20:27:04 <petern> (and yes, they still do) 20:27:07 <cnk> lol stupid mobile tower in the way of playing fun! 20:27:37 <cnk> hm where was I 20:27:57 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7FB03.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:01 <planetmaker> CIA-2> [19:46:09] OpenTTD: german - 26 changes by dihedral, mjreaper, planetmaker <-- where, petern? 20:28:07 <petern> having a coffee nose keyboard moment? 20:28:08 <petern> oh 20:28:12 <petern> you mean individually 20:28:16 <planetmaker> yes 20:28:23 <petern> cos that does show what you asked 20:28:31 <planetmaker> no 20:28:31 <petern> 26 changes by those people 20:28:42 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:28:51 <dihedral> yes but it used to say who did how many 20:29:03 <dihedral> hello :-) 20:29:04 <planetmaker> yes. But all those together is hardly an answer to "who changed what?" 20:29:08 <planetmaker> hey dih :) 20:29:11 <petern> who gives a fuck 20:29:17 <planetmaker> :( 20:29:22 <petern> well, you obviously 20:29:25 <dihedral> planetmaker would give a fuck :-D 20:29:26 <planetmaker> yes 20:29:33 <planetmaker> but to neither of you :P 20:29:38 <dihedral> hehe 20:29:47 <dihedral> only peter wanted one :-D 20:30:03 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:30:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:30:55 <planetmaker> you know petern, it's not the way to motivate people when you have one do the work and credit 10 people with it. 20:31:03 <planetmaker> It doesn't work for your commits either that way 20:31:16 <planetmaker> it says petern. Not openttd_devs 20:31:32 <planetmaker> yes, I'm vain :P 20:31:52 <Rubidium> planetmaker: those 'based on work of X' patches don't include the number of lines we included from them 20:32:20 <petern> why not just get your cock out and wave it on channel? 20:32:27 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has left #openttd [] 20:32:30 <petern> :D 20:32:43 <petern> willy waving over the number of lines contributed... 20:33:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:03 <Rubidium> also with "dihedral (10), mjreaper (9), planetmaker (7)" it doesn't tell who contributed what or what the impact of the contribution was 20:34:22 <Rubidium> is removing a space worth more than translating a complete string? 20:34:40 <cnk> Does currency.cpp ever get updated? 20:34:54 <petern> no 20:35:04 <frosch123> we credit people for translations? I thought it was for blaming 20:35:11 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 20:35:28 <frosch123> cnk: it was updated several times 20:35:36 <petern> what, "39 mistakes by alyr"? 20:35:40 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 15409 20:35:40 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by frosch :: r15409 /trunk/src (44 files in 3 dirs) (2009-02-08 12:02:28 UTC) 20:35:41 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Update: Currencies 20:35:42 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Remove intermediate currency "New Turkish lira". 20:35:43 <frosch123> but only to maintain existing currencies, not to add more 20:35:44 <cnk> frosch123: 1 GBP = 220 JPY seems long ago 20:35:44 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Add Euro introduction date for Slovakia. 20:35:45 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Remove Euro introduction date for Hungary. 20:36:09 <petern> which rate should apply? 20:36:18 <frosch123> cnk: you start the game in 1950 by default, don't you? 20:36:18 <petern> what was the rate in 1950, when you start a game? 20:36:22 <SmatZ> rate should change every in-game year 20:36:26 <cnk> frosch123: 2051 20:36:26 <SmatZ> maybe even month, or day ;) 20:36:28 <cnk> ;) 20:36:35 <petern> SmatZ, every tick, obviously 20:36:39 <SmatZ> indeed 20:36:40 <petern> gotta keep it realistic 20:36:45 <SmatZ> hehe 20:36:58 <dihedral> frosch123: then each translator would have his or her own commit 20:36:59 <petern> hmm, we'd need floating point rates too 20:37:13 <SmatZ> :-) 20:37:17 <cnk> it would need an archive of the past 60 years of stock rates 20:37:25 <petern> or does it need a double? 20:37:39 <petern> then we can keep accurate inflation rates 20:37:46 <petern> and interest rates 20:37:49 <petern> for each country? 20:38:29 <frosch123> how about "kg gold" as currency? 20:38:34 <SmatZ> :) 20:38:48 <planetmaker> should be valuables. 20:38:48 <SmatZ> or kg rubidium 20:38:50 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:56 <planetmaker> that's what banks deal with ingame anyway :) 20:39:03 <dihedral> petern: realistic rates? :-P 20:39:03 <planetmaker> :D @ SmatZ 20:39:05 <SmatZ> :) 20:39:09 <petern> newrates 20:39:14 <SmatZ> :-p 20:39:20 <frosch123> newrealism :p 20:39:20 <Rubidium> SmatZ: but I'm allergic to water 20:39:32 <dihedral> hehe - make cargoes with the names of the devs :_D 20:39:34 <Rubidium> rather norealism 20:39:35 <cnk> floating rates would be good, so that you can actually implement 1/2 credits = ? 1 20:39:47 <petern> floating rates would actually be fine 20:39:54 <dihedral> Rubidium: realism in the world of openttd :-) 20:40:03 <cnk> right now, ? is bound to be the smallest unit 20:40:11 <petern> after all, it's only display... 20:40:24 <SmatZ> :-D 20:41:23 <dihedral> what could be fun for the scenario editor, if one could place houses manually :-D 20:41:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:41:34 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:41:42 <dihedral> place a town tile (0 population) and you get to build each house separately :-P 20:42:35 <petern> nobody bothers building rivers, let alone placing individual houses 20:42:54 <planetmaker> errm... ? In scenario editor? 20:43:03 <frosch123> hmm, SimRiver 20:43:11 <SmatZ> there is a patch for automatic river placement, too 20:43:30 <planetmaker> he... quite old and not properly implemented :P 20:43:40 <SmatZ> :( 20:44:04 <cnk> is it just me or does a wooden maglev bridge sound realistic at all... 20:44:06 <Rubidium> I'd rather keep the rates as they are now so people don't get confused; in 0.7 I had a loan of ? 220? and now in 0.8 I only have ? 150? 20:44:07 <planetmaker> the river pathfinding isn't trivial... 20:44:32 <cnk> Rubidium: speaking of which, the interface does not even show ? :/ 20:44:50 <frosch123> cnk: who knows what might happen in the future? 20:45:10 <cnk> frosch123: well I guess since they've built a wooden supercar already.. 20:45:18 <Rubidium> cnk: true, but doing that is quite difficult; I've thought about trying to implement it but it fealt like too much effort for little gain 20:45:30 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:30 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:46:00 <Rubidium> and it would imply I needed to look at the Indian numbering system and I couldn't quite get my head around that 20:46:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff589.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:44 <cnk> Rubidium: if (v > 100000) { v /= 10000; strcat(x, "?"); } 20:46:48 <cnk> something in that direction 20:47:07 <dihedral> i remember that.... 20:47:32 <Rubidium> and it would mean that generally when chosing a non-CJK language you would see a ? instead of the right character 20:49:00 <Rubidium> so it would be something 'per language' instead of per currency 20:49:28 <Rubidium> and even then the effort to make a generic system is quite high with little or no real gain 20:51:45 <dihedral> companies often enough just trade in $ :-) 20:54:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:05 <cnk> 8,448 on a single journey across 1024 tiles :p 20:56:44 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:22 <Belugas> bye bye 21:06:28 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:07:07 <planetmaker> bye Belugas 21:07:33 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:41 *** maureene [~fournier@121.8.124.42] has joined #openttd 21:11:42 *** maureene [~fournier@121.8.124.42] has left #openttd [] 21:13:42 <welshdragon> fournier@121.8.124.42 needs banning 21:17:07 <SmatZ> why? 21:19:33 *** gotiniens [~gotiniens@ip234-32-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:54 *** mullinix [~simion@120.50.180.30] has joined #openttd 21:20:54 *** mullinix [~simion@120.50.180.30] has left #openttd [] 21:22:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 21:23:30 <dihedral> welshdrag@80.247.163.137 needs banning :-P 21:23:37 <SmatZ> :-P 21:23:38 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:42 <dihedral> huu huu 21:23:45 <dihedral> \o/ 21:23:56 <SmatZ> :-D 21:23:58 *** weaselTM [weasel@weasel.noc.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:01 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:24:20 <Nite_Owl> Hello dihedral & SmatZ 21:24:27 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl :) 21:24:38 <Nite_Owl> Saw me coming before I even got here 21:24:39 <dihedral> hihi :-) 21:24:44 <dihedral> i love that 21:25:18 <andythenorth> grr users 21:25:31 <dihedral> users? or YOU-sers 21:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "users" or "brantwan and nekomaster"? 21:26:09 <dihedral> hihi 21:26:27 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ahem, no further comment needed. Shall we end here? 21:27:20 *** donny [~foubert@202.84.127.9] has joined #openttd 21:27:21 <donny> Need Sex? Get Laid! famouspornstars.com 21:27:21 *** donny [~foubert@202.84.127.9] has left #openttd [] 21:27:21 <dihedral> we know how you feel andythenorth 21:27:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:31 <dihedral> SmatZ: that is why :-D 21:27:53 <andythenorth> is donny a user? 21:27:56 <SmatZ> :-p 21:28:11 <dihedral> donny is probably a wannaby dolly 21:28:12 <SmatZ> I think that's why weasel is here ;) 21:28:18 <dihedral> :-D 21:28:30 <andythenorth> can donny write nfo? 21:28:37 <dihedral> donny can do nothing 21:28:39 <Nite_Owl> Yexo: My servicing settings and solutions are exactly the same as those Foobar posted so I did not waste the space posting them on the forum - unless you prefer me to do so 21:28:49 <SmatZ> nope, but it reads my mind :( 21:29:05 <Yexo> Nite_Owl: thanks for the notice :) 21:29:43 <dihedral> SmatZ: 'it' = donny? and 'reading your mind' = you wanna get laid? 21:29:56 <Nite_Owl> Happy to help when I can 21:29:56 <SmatZ> yes 21:30:08 <dihedral> perhaps if you ask planetmaker very kindly 21:30:09 <dihedral> :-D 21:30:14 <SmatZ> :-D 21:30:16 <SmatZ> nah :) 21:30:51 <dihedral> planetmaker: ^ SmatZ does not like you 21:30:57 *** oates [~quintin@midas-array.orcas.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:57 *** oates [~quintin@midas-array.orcas.net] has left #openttd [] 21:31:07 <SmatZ> my girlfriend wouldn't be happy 21:31:19 <andythenorth> have you asked her? don't make assumptions... 21:31:25 <SmatZ> :-p 21:31:27 <dihedral> well - if you tell her to be very kind to planetmaker...... :-D 21:31:35 <SmatZ> :-D 21:32:33 <planetmaker> uh... 21:33:05 <dihedral> now dont go all picky on SmatZ :-P 21:33:37 <dihedral> new slogan for the forums: "wanna get a patch into trunk? fuck a dev!" :-D 21:34:11 <SmatZ> could be interesting, if there were any girls with patches :) 21:34:19 <planetmaker> I guess I pass that opportunity. And I'll better leave SmatZ his girl friend :) 21:34:33 <planetmaker> I'm sure she suits him better than me :) 21:34:35 <Nite_Owl> <dihedral> now dont go all picky on SmatZ :-P I misread that 21:34:39 <dihedral> SmatZ: nope - only horny, under age guys! 21:34:41 *** vadala [~manson@121.58.96.10] has joined #openttd 21:34:41 *** vadala [~manson@121.58.96.10] has left #openttd [] 21:34:45 <SmatZ> ewww :-p 21:35:13 <dihedral> Nite_Owl: what on earth did you read? 21:35:49 <Nite_Owl> the key word is "picky" with a letter added 21:37:01 <Nite_Owl> my eyes are getting worse - time for new glasses 21:37:05 <andythenorth> Need Cargos? Get FIRS! famousindustries.com 21:37:18 <planetmaker> hahaha :) 21:37:21 <dihedral> LOL 21:37:24 *** Ganneff [~joerg@ganneff.noc.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:30 <dihedral> hello Ganneff 21:37:46 <planetmaker> andythenorth: ... rather: Need a new cargo icon? ... 21:37:50 <planetmaker> :P 21:37:59 <dihedral> i even got that spam in #openttd.nightly :-P 21:38:00 <dihedral> cute 21:38:12 <planetmaker> every channel got it 21:38:16 <andythenorth> time for curry 21:38:23 <dihedral> Ganneff: the network does not seem safe for kids :-D 21:38:29 <planetmaker> except one 21:38:30 <dihedral> planetmaker: nope :-) 21:38:39 <dihedral> got nothing in #codecubes 21:38:44 <planetmaker> (of the unprotected ones I'm in) 21:38:46 <dihedral> nor in the other one 21:39:20 <dihedral> ok, codecubes got nothing 21:39:24 <Booth> #openttdcoop.pro didnt get it 21:39:27 <andythenorth> anyone write any code today? 21:39:39 <dihedral> Booth: is that channel not +k or +s ? 21:39:40 <SmatZ> Booth: it did 21:39:47 <dihedral> andythenorth: yep 21:40:07 <planetmaker> yep 21:40:08 <andythenorth> my commits got reverted by developers *I* employ :( for good reasons though 21:40:20 <planetmaker> haha :P 21:40:44 <andythenorth> I added two features. Turned out both could kill the (web) app 21:41:03 <dihedral> bad 21:41:05 <planetmaker> meh :S 21:41:12 <andythenorth> one of them queried mysql 400 times per page load 21:41:22 <dihedral> now could you define 'employ' 21:41:24 <andythenorth> we don't buy servers that can handle that 21:41:41 <dihedral> how the f*** did you do that? 21:41:47 <dihedral> 400 queries per page? 21:41:49 <dihedral> YUCK 21:41:57 <planetmaker> a LOT 21:42:03 <dihedral> that is insane 21:42:05 <andythenorth> dihedral: yes, it was a bad 21:42:20 <dihedral> for i = 0; i < 400; i++ ? 21:42:36 <Booth> all i can for the spam is the internet is for porn 21:43:22 <KenjiE20> at least the spam bot made sense :P 21:43:28 <dihedral> :-D 21:43:29 <andythenorth> 400 was an edge case. would have been more like 30-90 in typical use. So not bad really, right? 21:43:41 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:43:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:48 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:44:01 <dihedral> Booth: someone was curious there, eh? 21:44:05 <Booth> ssh kenji i have fat fingures 21:44:20 <Booth> [22:40] <tassi> Need Sex? Get Laid! famouspornstars.com 21:44:29 <Booth> says porn in the name 21:44:43 <dihedral> Booth: way to go! please repeat more spam!! 21:44:55 <Booth> realy? 21:45:00 <andythenorth> booth: 400 times would be ideal 21:45:06 <SmatZ> Booth: it's not the cleverest thing to do, you migth be g-lined for that :-p 21:45:06 <dihedral> lol 21:45:10 <SmatZ> hehe 21:45:19 <Booth> g-lined? 21:45:20 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7FB03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 21:45:29 <SmatZ> banned :) 21:45:30 <dihedral> esp. if you have two network ops in the channel :-P 21:45:32 <weasel> Booth: don't make me kill you 21:45:47 <dihedral> hihi 21:45:51 <dihedral> he is alive :-D 21:45:51 <SmatZ> it's IRC network-wide ban 21:46:00 <andythenorth> dihedral: define 'employ'? hmm, pay salary to, to do stuff. 21:46:02 <dihedral> i thought you just idled here weasel 21:46:39 <KenjiE20> Booth, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=g-lined 21:47:02 <dihedral> not to be confused with g-stringed :-D 21:47:07 <Booth> kenji you suck 21:47:18 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-255.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:23 <KenjiE20> lol 21:47:39 <dihedral> Booth: you asked for it ;-) 21:49:25 <Booth> bookmarking that page 21:49:42 <Eddi|zuHause> lmgtfy doesn't seem to work in konqeror 21:49:51 <KenjiE20> :( 21:49:57 <Eddi|zuHause> generally, google doesn't seem to be very konqueror-friendly 21:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause> google maps doesn't work either 21:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause> euphemism of the day: "some undocumented privileged administrator accounts have been discovered in new network routers belonging to two telecoms service providers." 21:51:22 <Eddi|zuHause> (as in "we found secret backdoors") 21:51:47 <SmatZ> :-D 21:51:53 <planetmaker> :O 21:51:59 * Nite_Owl chants NSA, NSA 21:52:07 <planetmaker> thought police 21:52:33 <SmatZ> :) 21:53:01 <Eddi|zuHause> err... does anyone of you have problems connecting to icq? 21:53:08 <dihedral> planetmaker: welcome to germany :-P 21:53:14 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:27 <Booth> my problem is i have never tryed 21:53:31 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause: nope, but i connect via ssl :-P 21:53:37 <dihedral> oh 21:53:39 <dihedral> icq 21:53:41 <dihedral> no 21:53:45 <dihedral> yuck - nonotouchy 21:53:55 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: worksforme 21:54:06 <dihedral> SmatZ: from germany :-P 21:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... weird... 21:54:11 <KenjiE20> mine /was/ off, manual reconnect worked though 21:54:12 <SmatZ> though almost everyone is offline 21:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a way to get kopete to display connection errors? 21:54:56 * Nite_Owl wonders if his ICQ account from the mid 90's would still be usable 21:55:09 * SmatZ is using Pidgin (Gaim) in his KDE :-p 21:55:22 <KenjiE20> ^ 21:55:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-146-18-255.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause> does not answer my question :p 21:55:29 <petern> Nite_Owl, mine is 21:55:39 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, it works for me (using pidgin) 21:55:46 <SmatZ> :-) 21:55:56 <petern> until the next time they add a protocol restriction 21:56:15 <planetmaker> good night everyone 21:56:19 <Nite_Owl> been at least 8 years since I used it 21:56:22 <dihedral> i should do the same 21:56:23 <Markk> I'm using kopete :) 21:56:24 <SmatZ> good night to you, planetmaker :) 21:56:27 <dihedral> night pm 21:56:33 <Markk> planetmaker: nite 21:56:34 <Nite_Owl> later planetmaker 21:56:49 <dihedral> night from here too ^^ 21:57:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:57:37 <petern> part timers 21:57:58 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i changed the server to connect to, now it seems to work 21:58:17 <SmatZ> good :) 22:00:03 <petern> i don't actually have any contacts left on icq, heh 22:00:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-231-60.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:32 <SmatZ> :-( 22:00:40 <SmatZ> IRC is better 22:00:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:52 <Nite_Owl> That is why I stopped using ICQ as well - no contacts left to contact 22:06:22 <Rubidium> isn't that AOL-ish? 22:06:26 <SmatZ> hehe 22:06:28 <petern> my poor, lonely, 6 digit icq number... 22:06:34 <SmatZ> impressive 22:07:01 * SmatZ has 8 digit one :-/ I am always staying back from new technologies 22:07:11 <Markk> Jackson is dead according to TMZ 22:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 9 digits 22:07:24 <Rubidium> I have 0 digits 22:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and before anyone misreads that, i have 10 fingers :p 22:07:34 <SmatZ> hehe 22:07:50 <Sacro> Markk: who has heard of TMZ though 22:07:58 * SmatZ agrees with Sacro 22:08:09 <Rubidium> who cares? 22:08:49 <Markk> Sacro: yeah :P 22:09:08 <ccfreak2k> Apparently Michael Jackson has suffered from cardiac arrest. 22:09:22 <petern> ccfreak2k has lag 22:09:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 22:09:58 <Nite_Owl> you beat me petern - my ICQ number was 7 digits (I had to look it up) 22:10:01 <KenjiE20> lol, from one of the WAR Online channels; 22:10:02 <KenjiE20> <+Aleteh> I wonder if hes gonna drop epic loot 22:10:02 <KenjiE20> <+Aleteh> like 22:10:02 <KenjiE20> <+Aleteh> babies 22:10:07 <Booth> its quite funny looking at all the MJ talk on openttd 22:10:09 <SmatZ> :( 22:10:26 <Markk> :D 22:10:28 <Rubidium> megajoules? 22:10:37 <Rubidium> that's not a unit we use in OpenTTD 22:10:37 <Booth> michael jackson 22:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "all the MJ talk"? 22:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> when? 22:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 22:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> where? 22:11:44 <Rubidium> why? 22:11:48 <Rubidium> who? 22:11:49 <Booth> he is dead 22:11:56 <Sacro> Booth: *citation needed* 22:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and "all the talk" is ten lines? 22:12:27 <Booth> ok he is reported to be dead 22:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Booth: honestly, nobody cares... 22:12:54 <Booth> i do 22:12:55 <Rubidium> how I trust journalists and especially that kind of journalists 22:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> if he did that 15 years ago, he could have got elvis-like fame 22:13:09 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Citation needed isn't the problem, reliable citation needed is 22:13:15 <Nite_Owl> CNN does not report that he is dead 22:13:19 * KenjiE20 wonders how many edits are trying to be committed on wikipedia 22:13:38 <Xaroth> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8119951.stm 22:13:41 <Xaroth> live stream 22:13:44 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: true, everything so far feeds to TMZ 22:13:49 <Xaroth> there's a celebrity site that's claiming he's dead 22:13:51 <Sacro> KenjiE20: i am friends with an admin 22:14:04 <Sacro> they have locked it to sysadmin edits only 22:14:06 <Xaroth> and that's the only source of him being dead 22:14:08 <Sacro> and no anon on the talk 22:14:10 <KenjiE20> lol 22:14:44 <Eddi|zuHause> is there no "ismichaeljacksondeadyet.com" website? 22:14:51 <Rubidium> what's so special about that guy dieing? 22:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> clearly, that would be the most reliable source 22:15:09 <KenjiE20> clearly 22:15:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i have no idea 22:15:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i am uncertain between "finally" and "his fame is long gone" 22:16:11 <Nite_Owl> He does have the best selling album of all time wither you like his music or not 22:16:19 <Sacro> which album? 22:16:21 <Sacro> Thriller? 22:16:25 <Nite_Owl> Thriller 22:16:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before the internet and online piracy :p 22:16:56 <Xaroth> He changed music as people knew it back in the day 22:17:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but nowadays... 22:17:17 <Xaroth> nowadays he's being laughed at for his ugly face 22:17:24 <Eddi|zuHause> they cancel music conventions blaming piracy 22:17:28 <Booth> not by me 22:17:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and they cancel every other convention blaming the economy crisis 22:18:19 <Rubidium> ah well, it's just an easy way to get out of the contract mess he was in 22:18:39 <Xaroth> Rubidium: death or coma? 22:19:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i still stand by my statement... people would have laughed at elvis the same way if he lived 15 years longer 22:19:59 <Sacro> Xaroth: fun game to play 22:20:33 <Xaroth> meh 22:20:37 <Xaroth> long live the intarwebs 22:20:47 <Xaroth> some geek rolls a dice, throws a natural 1 and posts that he's dead 22:20:50 <petern> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8118257.stm 22:20:53 <petern> ^ more important news 22:20:54 <Xaroth> 5000 other idiots copy that item 22:20:55 *** potatoe [potatoe@217-150-46.oke1-bras10.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #openttd 22:21:06 <Xaroth> and instant-hoax gets born 22:21:12 <Rubidium> or is it just a cheap way to invade the privacy of his home by live streaming everything that happens there onto the TV? 22:22:07 * SmatZ agrees 22:22:14 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: i read about that, but i have no idea what "wallabies" are 22:22:23 <petern> ... 22:22:40 <petern> there's a picture, for a start... 22:22:41 <potatoe> hi. can anyone help me make sense of the parametres sendt with commands related to area transformations, area demolition, building rails from-to etc. Each command has a (starting) tile related to it, but the rest of the info I can not find 22:22:50 <SmatZ> kangaroos? 22:22:52 <Xaroth> LOL 22:22:58 <Xaroth> bbc mentions LA times to say he's dead 22:23:04 <Xaroth> 5 seconds later, LA times site overloaded 22:23:09 <Nite_Owl> small kangaroos 22:23:22 <SmatZ> :) 22:24:16 <Rubidium> potatoe: search for the appropriate command handler in the source code and read the comments 22:25:08 <Nite_Owl> online comment on the wallaby story - Trippy Skippy 22:25:30 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> talking about OpenTTD code in here! blasphemy! 22:25:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:48 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:26:14 <Rubidium> potatoe: also be advised that that part of the network API highly depends on the (exact) version you're running and contains absolutely no backward/forward compatability 22:26:29 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe48f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:26:34 <potatoe> ok. thx :) 22:26:54 <potatoe> zuhause: is there another channel for it? 22:27:14 <Yexo> no, this is the channel for it 22:27:24 <Yexo> it's just that there is _a lot_ of offtopic talk here :) 22:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not even my name... 22:27:59 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then translate your nick to English 22:27:59 <potatoe> right, sry :p 22:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> it's actually strange, nobody has ever called me like that :p 22:28:36 <cnk> I think I found a metabug 22:28:37 <potatoe> there's a first for everything 22:28:49 *** potatoe is now known as Akoz 22:29:05 * Prof_Frink pokes Dave 22:29:22 <Akoz> is there a place I can secretly report exploitable bugs? 22:29:59 <Yexo> bugs go to bugs.openttd,org, I'm not sure, but maybe you can mark it as private 22:30:13 <Akoz> cool 22:31:00 <cnk> On a freeform-edge map, when lowering an edge tile to sea level, the sea flow in ;-) 22:31:10 <Yexo> cnk: that's by desisn 22:31:15 <cnk> hm too bad 22:31:21 <Yexo> otherwise there would be no way for water to flood in a map without water 22:32:54 <cnk> also funny to do - connecting to an oil rig via train :p 22:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: i thought you could plant flood-able water in the scenario editor 22:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause> cnk: not exactly a new idea ;) 22:33:47 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: well, yes, but generally you shouldn't load saved games in the scenario editor 22:34:30 <SmatZ> :) 22:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: why would you want to flood in a non-water map in a game? 22:35:29 <Yexo> you could have someone who deletes all water in the map 22:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, true, but that same person could as well raise all water by one level 22:36:14 <SmatZ> exactly :) 22:36:27 <Yexo> if that person raises all tiles, you can lower them again 22:36:29 <SmatZ> if you really don't want any water, don't lower it to sea-level 22:36:47 <Yexo> if the edge tiles didn't flood, there would be no way at all to restore the water 22:37:27 <Chruker> too bad canals and locks cant be used to flood higher areas :-) 22:37:46 <Yexo> that would be too easy to abuse 22:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of flooding, would it be easier to place rivers on the perlin-landscape before it is rounded to ttd-heightlevels? 22:42:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you could more easily calculate the direction that is "downwards" 22:42:27 <Yexo> I think that's worth a try 22:48:30 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:53:06 <Sacro> HE'S ALIVE 22:53:09 <Sacro> THERE HE IS ON TV 22:53:41 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: GORDON? 22:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "it's on tv, it must be true" 22:54:42 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of TV, did anyone actually hear from Osama Bin Laden again? 22:55:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, no CO2 in the air during fires 22:55:10 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: He sent me a christmas card 22:57:33 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: NODROG? 22:57:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:04:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E8E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:41 <cnk> Eddi|zuHause: or building a tunnel below a well/mine (absolutely unlogical - let's mine tranis!) 23:09:14 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest810 23:09:15 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.23.14] has joined #openttd 23:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause> context? 23:11:21 <cnk> "not a new idea" 23:11:25 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe48f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> let's mine meat in the moon meat mine on the moon? 23:12:45 <Prof_Frink> We like the moon. 23:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> cnk: i'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be funny or serious 23:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or what would be your intention in either case 23:14:41 *** Guest810 [~KenjiE20@92.2.170.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:55 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:53 <cnk> having a straight rail line, because turns drop their speed 23:20:06 <cnk> serious matter! 23:20:30 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:20:41 <Yexo> then enable realistirc acceleration 23:21:37 <petern> hehe, realistic 23:22:43 <Chruker> does that setting also influence speed on slopes? 23:22:49 *** Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-10-1-240.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:23:08 <Yexo> yes 23:23:14 <Akoz> realistic means your train almost stops dead in its track for going upwards one tile 23:23:16 <Akoz> not recommended 23:23:23 <Yexo> it's the other way around 23:23:39 <Yexo> with realistic acceleration on trains can climb hills just fine 23:23:44 <Akoz> oh 23:23:49 <Akoz> whats the other one called? 23:24:05 <KingJ> unrealistic acceleration? 23:24:06 <Yexo> turning off the realistic acceleration setting 23:24:32 <Akoz> oh well then... you NEED realistic :p 23:24:35 <Yexo> no, Original 23:24:47 <cnk> well the original behavior also meant trains stopped immediately instead of slooooooowly reducing their speed when reaching a ststaion 23:24:58 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:32 <Chruker> Are there any setting that makes weak engines unable to haul heavy wagons up a hill? 23:26:39 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.23.14] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 23:26:56 <Chruker> Or is there always a min speed regardless of settings 23:27:08 <Rubidium> there's always a minimum speed regardless of settings 23:27:17 <Rubidium> i.e. a train with 0 power will still (slowly) move forward 23:27:33 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:27:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:47 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:28:00 <Chruker> is that a fixed min. speed for everything or is it specific to engines 23:28:00 <Yexo> not that the minimum speed is soo slow your train will most likely loose money due to running cost being higher then income 23:28:08 <Yexo> it's a fixed min. speed 23:28:52 <Yexo> good night all 23:29:02 <PeterT> good night 23:29:13 <Chruker> nn 23:30:00 <Nite_Owl> later Yexo 23:30:54 <Akoz> Michael Jackson is dead! :o 23:31:19 <Akoz> noone told me :< 23:31:29 <Sacro> Akoz: unconfirmed 23:32:05 <Nite_Owl> Associated Press & CNN have confirmed it 23:32:16 <Akoz> "Michael Jackson, the show-stopping singer whose best-selling albums -- including "Off the Wall," "Thriller" and "Bad" -- and electrifying stage presence made him one of the most popular artists of all time, died Thursday, CNN has confirmed." 23:32:24 <SmatZ> they might have the same, lying, source... 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A08.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:26 <Akoz> doubt they would publish it if they werent quite certain :\ 23:33:56 <Chruker> they just had a live interview with the corenor 23:35:17 <PeterT> oh hes dead? 23:35:29 <PeterT> I thought he just had a heart attack. 23:35:43 <Chruker> Those things can kill you 23:35:46 <Sacro> Akoz: why not? 23:35:52 <Sacro> TMZ is getting a lot of mentions for this 23:36:04 <Akoz> :f 23:36:06 <lolman> Akoz: the press loves a sensational story, regardless of it being true 23:36:18 <Akoz> :) 23:36:50 * SmatZ agrees with lolman 23:38:23 <Akoz> I know they do, but they usually dont declare ppl dead 23:38:44 <Akoz> if its someone crossing an ocean with a bamboo stick its fine 23:39:07 <Akoz> or accidentily sleeping while getting 54 tattoos O_o 23:39:21 <lolman> Akoz: they've claimed death tolls for things that have been inflated before now 23:40:00 <Akoz> are you saying you think he's alive? 23:40:06 <Sacro> Akoz: Schrodinger 23:40:33 <lolman> Akoz: no, the LA Coroner has confirmed he's dead now 23:41:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:41:57 <Akoz> there's an awfull amount of fans that's got to get their tickets refunded now 23:42:45 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:42:56 <Akoz> sorry for taking you off topic.. 23:43:06 <Akoz> realstiic acceleration ftw 23:43:11 <Akoz> *realistic 23:43:40 <SmatZ> :) 23:48:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226144016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:48:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:49:27 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 23:49:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:50:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16661 /trunk/src/ (cargotype.cpp cargotype.h station.cpp station_base.h): -Codechange: move definition of few very short functions to header files 23:53:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Tunder.] 23:57:47 <petern> 0.8.0's sole changelog entry: major performance tweaks from smatz's microoptimizations 23:58:24 <SmatZ> I hope so :) 23:58:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:59:09 <petern> are you benchmarking or just using common sense? 23:59:33 <SmatZ> benchmarking, but the difference is minimal 23:59:36 <petern> *nod* 23:59:41 <petern> all adds up though 23:59:49 <petern> plus you're not claiming it's better, hehe 23:59:56 <SmatZ> :)