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*** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:05:00 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest293 08:05:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:36 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 08:10:15 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:33 *** Guest293 [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:26 * yorick would like to be able to change reliability and availability with newgrf callback 36 08:12:46 <yorick> also cargo capacity for planes would be nice 08:19:27 <petern> reliability is never specified 08:30:28 <yorick> it would make sense to have both reliability and availability :) 08:31:35 <petern> reliability is calculated 08:32:26 <yorick> yes 08:32:31 <yorick> but based on model life 08:33:54 <petern> affected by 08:34:12 <yorick> but I want my vehicle to have a constant reliability of 96% 08:34:20 <yorick> and be available for only 2 years 08:34:30 <petern> well you can't 08:35:28 <yorick> that's why I want the reliability and availability using callback 36 ;) 08:35:49 <petern> there's no equivalent property 08:36:21 <yorick> :( 08:36:35 <yorick> then I want it in another callback :P 08:36:43 <petern> then implement it 08:37:46 <dihedral> iwant iwant iwant 08:37:53 <dihedral> sounds like an apple product 08:37:55 <dihedral> :-P 08:38:51 *** kyle_ [~Kyle@96.51.215.108] has joined #openttd 08:39:39 *** kyle_ [~Kyle@96.51.215.108] has quit [] 08:40:14 <yorick> how about the refittable cargo classes then 08:40:28 *** mib_dwmgdd [d5900b0a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:52 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-79-213.umts.vodacom.co.za] has left #openttd [] 08:47:02 *** mib_dwmgdd [d5900b0a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:50:22 *** wolfryu [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-251-185-139.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:52:50 *** Xyzzy 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joined #openttd 10:56:10 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-79-213.umts.vodacom.co.za] has left #openttd [] 11:06:39 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.135.43] has joined #openttd 11:10:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:12:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 11:21:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16758 /trunk/src/station_type.h: -Document: some station related types/enums 11:21:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16759 /trunk/src/station.cpp: -Codechange: some coding style in station.cpp 11:23:32 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:58:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:16 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:20 *** Progman [~progman@hep-1.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:47 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 12:14:51 <jpm> hi 12:23:33 * dihedral wonders if this is another person to quickly disappear if no one should reply ^^ 12:24:26 * SirSquid1ess wonders if jpm is a really a government spy, sent to investigate possible terrorist activities that took place on an oTTD server, against a fellow player 12:26:39 * TrueBrain things he is going to kick a few people, just for the fun of it 12:26:44 <TrueBrain> s/g/k 12:27:06 <FauxFaux> Koing to kick a few people? 12:27:46 <dihedral> better than gicg 12:28:22 <TrueBrain> lucky seds work only on the first char it finds which matches 12:28:24 <TrueBrain> (no global sed ;)) 12:28:45 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I made a TINY mistake when doing a creditcard billing ... I gave the wrong address :p 12:28:52 <TrueBrain> didn't know they checked addresses ... 12:29:49 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:30:45 <dihedral> hehe 12:30:53 <dihedral> looks like jpm just wanted to idle 12:31:11 <TrueBrain> let him 12:31:15 <TrueBrain> at least he says something 12:31:19 <TrueBrain> more then you can say about Chruker 12:31:24 <TrueBrain> he only scares away people 12:31:25 <TrueBrain> :p 12:32:12 <Chruker> awww 12:33:06 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:24 <Chruker> Me and Howdy have a == relationship :-) 12:33:42 <dihedral> ... 12:33:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FEB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:53 <dihedral> yes, at least jpm made since in what he said :-D 12:34:42 <TrueBrain> Chruker: sounds horrible 12:36:11 <Belugas> not my sound, not mine 12:36:14 <Belugas> hello 12:36:18 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 12:37:02 <TrueBrain> your sound is not horrible, very true Belugas 12:37:27 <TrueBrain> in the last week we got approached by a few other open source projects to use WT3 .. lol :) 12:38:17 <Belugas> ask them 1000$ for it 12:38:19 <Belugas> each 12:38:34 <TrueBrain> I am not going to ask money to other open source projects Belugas 12:38:42 <TrueBrain> although it would mean we don't have to do any additional fundraisers :p 12:38:54 <Belugas> yup yup yup 12:39:30 <yorick> if I win a million some day, I might give some of it to openttd 12:40:01 <TrueBrain> yorick: we don't want your dollar 12:40:06 <TrueBrain> yorick: we don't want your 1 dollar 12:40:22 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:40:29 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com2]buster 12:40:45 <yorick> no, it might be more than 50 dollars ;) 12:40:46 <planetmaker> if I wer god I'd donate everything they want to the devs in order to improve the game 12:40:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:50 <planetmaker> is it realistical? 12:41:04 <planetmaker> is the promise worth anything? 12:41:12 <yorick> you mean the fact that you would only exist in crazy people's minds? 12:41:48 <TrueBrain> if I turn out to be briliant, I might contribute to OpenTTD 12:41:50 <TrueBrain> oh wait ... 12:41:54 <yorick> and it's not like I would ever win something :) 12:42:05 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:19 <planetmaker> I mean merely the fact that irrealistic promises have no chance to become reality and as such are just mute... 12:42:37 <TrueBrain> I agree with planetmaker 12:43:25 <yorick> I'm not promising anything there :-| 12:44:17 <Belugas> nothing is worth considering up until it's signed in blood 12:45:44 <TrueBrain> damn .. I do hope my order goes to the right address now .. stupid creditcards :( 12:49:13 <Belugas> don't blame the little plastic stuff... blame either the user or the processor! 12:49:51 <petern> well 12:50:06 <petern> today i am mr piggy 12:50:20 <Chruker> its an error #50 12:50:51 <petern> you know 12:51:04 <petern> some people say that if they won the lottery they'd stay in their job 12:51:18 <petern> well fuck tha 12:51:20 <petern> t 12:51:29 <Belugas> hehehe 12:51:30 * dihedral pats petern on the back ^^ 12:51:39 <Noldo> lottery winnings are not That much money 12:51:54 <petern> obviously i mean the big prize... 12:52:17 <Noldo> it's not that hard to spend money 12:52:20 * Belugas disagrees. 14millions$ cdn is a lot. 12:52:36 <Belugas> but... i'll buy all me dreams and i'll end up working again.. :S 12:53:16 <petern> i could make it last a while :) 12:53:27 <Noldo> you don't have to work ever again, but then you can't spend that 14 mil 12:54:54 <petern> i wouldn't be able to spend all that in one go 12:55:28 <Chruker> sure you could, just find some big house to buy 12:55:29 <petern> i'd blow a big portion on a nice house 12:55:34 <Chruker> :-) 12:55:50 <petern> nice that would still leave loads left over 12:55:53 <petern> -nice 12:56:16 <Chruker> you cant find a house that costs 14m ? 12:56:49 <petern> i can find plenty that cost less 12:57:39 <petern> i wouldn't suddenly become an idiot who spends all the money they have for no reason 12:58:08 <Belugas> i'd construct a recording studio 12:58:14 <petern> ding 12:59:06 <Belugas> a new house, by a cool lake, at least 2-3 floors, with a big studio on it, state of the art everything 13:00:23 <petern> hmm, a nice steinway grand 13:00:43 <Belugas> among others ;) 13:01:25 <Belugas> ho... and a bank account which interests will pay for plane tickets for those who wish to visit and PLAY 13:02:10 <petern> gah 13:02:12 <petern> fucking dreams :s 13:02:20 * SirSquid1ess thinks Belugas should shout plane tickets for lots of people t come and have on gigantic oTTD LAN for us to earn our trillions of dollars of virtual currency 13:02:37 <petern> what's the point in that? 13:02:37 *** [com2]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:39 *** [com2]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:50 *** [com2]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:02:56 <SirSquid1ess> petern: free travel :P 13:03:06 <petern> pfft, freeloader 13:03:55 <Belugas> SirSquid1ess, i was not talking about playing OTTD... 13:04:00 <SirSquid1ess> oh, Ir ealise 13:04:16 <SirSquid1ess> but when you're living it up, we gotat be at least able to out-do you in virtual currency 13:05:14 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:06:38 <Belugas> hem... like... i'm such a pro of OpenTTD :S 13:06:55 <jpm> Does anybody know why tt-forums.net is down? 13:07:00 <Belugas> nope 13:07:09 <jpm> ok 13:07:42 * jpm goes to spy mode... 13:07:45 <Belugas> SirSquid1ess, to me, doing music is quite more rewardable than gaming. 13:08:05 <Belugas> like... at least, i can listen to it back and enjoy it everytime i want ;) 13:08:07 <SirSquid1ess> I completely agree with that 13:08:49 * dihedral has not played since - cannot remember when 13:09:06 <planetmaker> wwottdgd/2? 13:09:12 <planetmaker> /1? 13:09:20 <dihedral> thanks for the highlight :-P 13:09:36 <dihedral> i did not play wwottdgd/2 13:11:15 <planetmaker> :O 13:11:21 <planetmaker> highlight on wwottdgd? :) 13:11:57 <dihedral> ^^ 13:12:08 <dihedral> and some more ^^ 13:13:28 <planetmaker> he :) 13:15:11 <Belugas> Woodstock! 13:20:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8363A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:31 <petern> really need to get my arse into get and do some multitrack recording 13:22:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 13:22:36 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83B85.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:22:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:23:49 <Belugas> :) 13:25:39 <Belugas> i'm sure you already have the tools to do so 13:25:48 <petern> i do 13:25:55 <petern> hmm, arse into *gear* obviously 13:26:12 <Belugas> gear? 13:26:15 <Belugas> you need more gear? 13:26:18 <petern> "arse into gear" 13:26:20 <petern> i.e. 13:26:23 <Belugas> oh... 13:26:24 <petern> get on an do it 13:26:25 <Belugas> ok... 13:26:27 <Belugas> never mind 13:26:30 <petern> although 13:26:31 <petern> yeah 13:26:40 <petern> i 'need' more gear ;) 13:26:55 <Belugas> i read "hardware" hehe 13:27:11 <Belugas> i'm sometimes frustrated by my "gear" 13:27:28 <Belugas> theorically, i have 8 tracks to deal with, which seems enugh 13:27:30 <Belugas> wrong! 13:27:38 <Belugas> 4 monos and 2 stereos 13:27:58 <Belugas> and that is all used up VERY fast 13:28:41 <petern> hm 13:29:12 <petern> well 13:29:26 <petern> i only have 2 channels of real inputs 13:30:05 <Belugas> true. but you have infinite virtual tracks to record on 13:30:09 <petern> yeah 13:30:11 <Belugas> i only have 2 inputs too 13:30:15 <petern> you've got reaper ;) 13:30:32 <Belugas> well... yeah... but... i'm doing all my stuff n the zoom 13:30:51 <Belugas> which looks like a self-limitation, now that i read it back lS 13:34:12 <Belugas> funny, a while ago, the forums been down would be a catastroph 13:36:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:40:28 <petern> hm 13:57:54 <N35> My god, i need help with building railways, isnt there a server somewhere where i can connect and be taught how to do it? Been spending since yesterday, doing a map, and everytime i get too many trains on a single factory-station, all the trains just get stuck -.- 14:02:05 <petern> bah 14:02:23 <petern> i want an FCB1010 but only the expression pedals, not the other buttons 14:03:28 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:03:28 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:31 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 14:03:38 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 14:03:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.218.109] has joined #openttd 14:07:00 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:15 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:30 <Belugas> "just" that ? hehe 14:08:41 <SirSquid1ess> N35: been through the wiki? 14:10:04 <petern> and i want.... and ... and ... hehe 14:10:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.208.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:57 <Belugas> yup, i know the feeling :) 14:14:10 <Belugas> when youstart looking around, you can't jsut be happy with your gear ;)\ 14:14:56 * petern puts a couple on his ebay watch 14:15:44 <petern> not the buy-it-nows with a price higher than regular shops... 14:17:20 <N35> Sir: yeah, im not a whole lot of good at putting it into action, been trying to make a route between two stations, where they go one way on one track, and another way on another track 14:18:29 <N35> I supose im trying too hard to begin with, i had a station with 4 tracks, and 9 trains going to it, across 5 tracks 14:21:52 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:16 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:19 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 14:28:06 <Xaroth> N35: check out openttdcoop, and learn from that 14:29:19 <petern> yeah 14:29:21 <petern> learn what not to do 14:29:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 14:29:42 <Xaroth> petern doesn't like ottdc. 14:29:51 <Ammler> of course he does ;-) 14:29:57 <Xaroth> then again, petern freaks out about typos as well 14:31:21 *** MizardX- [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 14:31:21 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:21 *** MizardX- is now known as MizardX 14:34:18 <Belugas> and i freak out about use of U instead or You and such... 14:34:32 <Belugas> N35, try to read more about signals 14:34:34 <Xaroth> that one i can imagine 14:34:45 <Belugas> and... try to use double tracks instead of just one 14:34:58 <Xaroth> one track for one way, one track for the other 14:37:25 <Belugas> yup 14:38:11 <Belugas> and a back bone connecting multiple stations, NOT just one route to one, and one route to another 14:44:14 <Belugas> you know what, it sounds fun fun fun.. i should try it one day! 14:44:41 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the forum is somewhat... unresponsive... 14:45:27 <welshdragon> it's dead 14:45:31 <Born_Acorn> Datacentre issues. When the server is back I'll start them. 14:45:42 <Born_Acorn> Bbl 14:47:56 <planetmaker> not only tt-forums. The German one has problems, too ;) 14:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause> really? that one worked earlier 14:48:22 <planetmaker> I get 403 for the forums themselves there 14:48:22 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: The internets are on fire. 14:48:32 <planetmaker> Otherwise it seems to work 14:49:03 <Eddi|zuHause> indeed... strange... 14:49:37 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it was raided for supporting the pirate party ;) 14:50:07 <planetmaker> :D 14:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there was a censorship debate going on ;) 14:50:47 <planetmaker> at those forums? 14:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the thread about "turning off sound" 14:51:02 <planetmaker> I never read there anything except OpenTTD section ;) 14:51:10 <planetmaker> Oh... maybe TTDPatch sometimes 14:51:23 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Yeah, they took it down 'cause of 3407 14:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> which... kind of escalated 14:51:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: wrong forum 14:51:36 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:53:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 15:04:10 <Belugas> COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 15:04:18 <Belugas> HE DID NOT FORGET :D 15:04:55 <Prof_Frink> He is an elephant? 15:05:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BF5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:24 <fjb> Hello 15:06:36 <Belugas> well.... he sure has the belly of an helephant ;) 15:06:40 <Belugas> hello fjb 15:08:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:08:45 <Ammler> sound thread was a nice one. :-) 15:09:01 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:01 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 15:10:38 <petern> Belugas, new toy? 15:12:36 <Belugas> v-amp :D 15:12:44 <Belugas> the second version 15:12:47 <Belugas> niiiiice! 15:15:20 <petern> looks complicated :D 15:18:44 <Belugas> indeed 15:18:52 <Belugas> but... 9 different reverbs? 15:18:55 <Belugas> mmmmh :D 15:19:27 <Belugas> 32 amps, 15 speakers... joy and fun for the next year to come! 15:19:41 <Belugas> zoom has less, to be honest 15:19:51 <Belugas> but... zoom is devoted to recording, not effects 15:20:19 <Belugas> cant wait to get home 15:21:24 *** Hedz0qxz [~hedz@a80-126-107-75.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:23:27 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE917f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:00 <petern> well, it's obvious 15:25:04 <petern> you just chain them together 15:30:38 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:30:41 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:42 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:40 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:22 * Belugas nods 15:32:54 <Belugas> mh... no control pedals 15:33:06 <Belugas> power unit at least 15:44:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff129.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:46:53 <Belugas> footswitches, actually... supposed to be included 15:52:17 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:41 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 15:55:17 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~Chicago_R@c-68-49-94-90.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:41 <petern> yeah 16:00:43 <petern> hm 16:01:32 <petern> erk, thunder 16:01:40 <yorick> constantly here 16:07:56 <Belugas> here too... 16:08:04 <Belugas> ho... wait... it's my stomack! 16:09:07 <frosch123> no, it's mine 16:09:18 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> osmotic.oftc.net quits: Rexxie, Zr40, Azrael-, Singaporekid 16:09:47 <Belugas> we've got a growling concert! 16:11:32 *** Netsplit over, joins: Singaporekid, Azrael-, Zr40, Rexxie 16:12:21 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:51 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 16:33:50 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.25] has joined #openttd 16:44:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16760 /trunk/src/ (station_base.h station_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: make UpdateStationVirtCoord a function of Station 16:46:51 *** ShadniX [shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [Quit: Das Leben ist ein Scheißspiel - Aber die Grafik ist geil!!] 16:51:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16761 /trunk/src/ (7 files): -Codechange: make UpdateViewportSignPos(ition) a class function of ViewportSign 16:52:31 *** ShadniX [shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:32 *** ShadniX [shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [] 16:52:43 *** ShadniX [shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:06 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:15:29 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:33 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 17:23:43 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:39 <N35> Any chance any of you can recommend an easy map for a beginner? 17:26:37 <Xaroth> N35: check out the OTTDC name. 17:26:38 *** Hedz0qxz [~hedz@a80-126-107-75.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: ( Killed by Chanserv. Reason: Ga nu maar!)] 17:26:47 <Xaroth> er, s/name/maps 17:27:04 * Xaroth should stop doing multiple convos at a time 17:27:22 <Belugas> or... start your own, 64*64, all easy settings, no grfs 17:28:44 <Ammler> Xaroth: coop maps isn't really helpful for beginners ;-) 17:28:51 <Ammler> aren't* 17:28:59 <Xaroth> Ammler: depends tbqfh 17:29:23 <gleeb_> Does anyone else find smaller maps harder? 17:29:43 <Ammler> harder? 17:29:55 <petern> they're simpler, but harder 17:30:03 <Ammler> :-) 17:30:41 <Ammler> it depense on the goals you have. 17:31:33 <N35> Perhaps, im not a complete beginner, I can hold myown against a single player, one the maps i've been playing so far, but Im hopeless at making my rails more efficient, in terms of increasing the amount of trains, but decreasing the amount of rails. For instnace I had a factory that had 8rail station going in, just because I couldnt get it to work with using less, it was connected to four fars, each having two trains 17:31:59 <N35> *fars = farms 17:32:22 <Xaroth> then definitely check the ottdc maps 17:33:22 <Xaroth> N35: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/ProZone:Archive_-_Games_1_-_10 17:33:34 <gleeb_> Ammler: My goals tend to be "Connect everything, be efficient". It's hard to do that with small maps. 17:33:37 <Xaroth> top one sais it all tbh 17:33:44 <Ammler> you should be able to handle ~6 plattforms with one line :-) 17:33:51 *** gleeb_ is now known as Gleeb 17:34:15 <N35> o.O 17:34:18 <N35> thats insane 17:34:21 <Xaroth> easily 17:38:24 <N35> So, Id have a station at each end, and then 6 trains on that? 17:38:35 <N35> or one station at one end, and 6 stations at the other end 17:39:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:56 <Xaroth> if you do multiple stations to one it'll probably be unlikely that you can have them all enter on one line 17:41:16 <Xaroth> unless you make a proper line out of it 17:44:03 <N35> must be my problem then, i keep trying to make too many trains enter the same line, with no line going out, except the one going in as well 17:46:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16762 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt finnish.txt german.txt indonesian.txt russian.txt): 17:46:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by Yexo 17:46:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 32 changes by jpx_ 17:46:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 47 changes by Roujin, planetmaker 17:46:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 16 changes by fanioz 17:46:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 6 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:49:21 <Ammler> N35: I meant 6 plattforms, which are busy all the time, ie. drop, need one line 17:50:22 <Ammler> but as already mentioned, it is another type of gameplay, check www.openttdcoop.org for further details. 17:51:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:23 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:59:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm114.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BF5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:54 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:26 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:17:26 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:30 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 18:17:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:18:21 *** shadow1st [~shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 18:21:45 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [~Chicago_R@c-68-49-94-90.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: .] 18:22:45 *** shadow1st [~shadow1st@b045.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] has quit [] 18:23:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:24:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 18:27:20 <Alberth> hello all 18:27:42 <yorick> hello Alberth 18:30:51 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:41 <Belugas> Alberth! 18:31:42 <Belugas> hello 18:31:48 <frosch123> hmm, judging by my arms being tanned it is obvious where the window in my office is relative to me :s 18:32:00 <Belugas> :D 18:32:36 <Alberth> tomorrow you should with you back to the screen to get equal tanning :) 18:32:41 <Alberth> +sit 18:33:31 <frosch123> i should not put them next to each other, looks quite silly :p 18:36:20 <dihedral> frosch123, if you take of your shirt at work, you'll get an even fade :-D 18:36:37 * dihedral pokes orudge 18:37:13 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.0] has joined #openttd 18:39:12 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 18:40:02 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:29 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:43:16 <frosch123> [20:37] * dihedral pokes orudge <- what do you consider to post? 18:43:23 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:07 <dihedral> frosch123, i consider reading 18:44:23 <frosch123> but what? there won't be anything new? 18:44:50 <dihedral> HA... true :-D 18:44:52 <dihedral> hihihi 18:48:41 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 18:55:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE917f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 19:11:10 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has left #openttd [] 19:12:32 *** svip [~svip@v4040.bulk-server.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:03 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 19:21:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:59 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.0] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:32:28 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.0] has joined #openttd 19:35:35 <Alberth> dihedral: poking worked 19:36:10 <dihedral> \o/ 19:36:23 <dihedral> i knew it was good for something ^^ 19:45:38 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:41 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 19:47:22 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:31 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 20:02:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-231-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:04:48 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:42 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:52 <Yexo> good evening 20:06:27 <Alberth> good evening 20:08:14 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:09:58 *** octernion [~octernion@hermes.mae.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 20:10:25 *** octernion [~octernion@hermes.mae.cornell.edu] has quit [] 20:13:44 *** Cutter [Cutter@sev93-1-82-227-246-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 20:19:36 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.0] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:20:28 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.0] has joined #openttd 20:25:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:32 *** [com]buster_ [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:32 *** [com]buster is now known as [com]buster_ 20:32:05 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff129.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:16 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:37:59 <Muxy> hi men, kiss from goulp... 20:39:01 <Muxy> i have a question about network_id 20:39:30 <yorick> ok 20:39:45 <Muxy> hi yorick 20:39:49 <Rubidium> i have an answer about network_id, might very well not be what you're looking for 20:39:52 <yorick> hi Muxy 20:39:59 <yorick> don't ask to ask, just ask ;) 20:40:07 <Muxy> the answer is that this nid is not unique ? 20:40:17 <yorick> it is not ;) 20:40:26 <yorick> worse, you can set it in config 20:40:44 <Muxy> i didnt search trough all source code, but is this nid used ? 20:42:01 <yorick> I believe it isn't 20:42:35 <dihedral> nope 20:42:37 <dihedral> it's not 20:42:38 <Rubidium> you expect us to answer a question that you can answer yourself in... 5 seconds? 20:43:04 <Muxy> hum, i have my answer, but i would like it to be confirmed by the ones who knows 20:43:19 <dihedral> @seen someone 20:43:19 <DorpsGek> dihedral: someone was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 23 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: * Someone here is gay 20:43:28 <dihedral> :-D 20:44:47 * Rubidium thinks there is a chance that Muxy's answer to his question is correct 20:46:17 <Muxy> Thanks Rubidium 20:47:24 * Rubidium assigns Muxy for a probability theory course 20:47:49 <Muxy> why not... 20:49:02 <Muxy> but a irc course would be also good.. i dont know how to think like you ;) 20:49:45 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:50:15 <Rubidium> that's probably not related to IRC but to me; lots of others seem to be having trouble thinking like I think 20:50:28 <dihedral> :-D 20:50:31 <dihedral> hehe 20:50:54 <Muxy> they may belong to the same group... 20:52:06 <Muxy> you can do that also, dihedral ? 20:54:15 <Muxy> Hey Yorick, did you see the city mania goal servers ? 20:54:40 <yorick> no 20:55:03 <dihedral> Muxy: everybody can! 20:55:11 <dihedral> even my tcl bot can 20:55:23 <Muxy> check in the server list, server with lot of clients 20:55:42 * yorick finally unignored dihedral :( 20:56:09 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177237076.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 20:56:18 <Muxy> dihedral: sure i can, but for the moment i dont know how to do it. 20:56:38 <dihedral> Muddy, what do you consider 'a lot of clients'?? 20:56:53 <Muxy> more than 10 (muxy) 20:57:18 <dihedral> oh - wrong highlight lol 20:57:46 <yorick> muxy: no server with >10 clients with city mania in the name 20:57:59 <Muxy> that one "! Akoz' metropolian server (GOAL)" has 13 20:58:00 <Ammler> he 20:58:09 <planetmaker> I would be surprised if there's more than a handful of servers with > 10 clients 20:58:11 * Ammler downloads buck rogers :-) 20:58:12 <yorick> that's no city mania! 20:58:47 <Ammler> planetmaker: is there one hand? 20:58:58 <Muxy> no but same kind of goal : make a city grows up to 25k people 20:58:59 <planetmaker> I'm surprised 20:59:26 <planetmaker> ... by the company counts :P 20:59:32 <yorick> there are 2 fingers ;) 21:00:19 <Muxy> ex's city mania seems to be down 21:00:46 <planetmaker> Non-Dedicated 21:00:48 <planetmaker> ULMENI gaming 21:00:49 <planetmaker> 4 / 10 5 / 8 0.4.5 Password 21:00:51 <planetmaker> ^^ they're true retro-gamers, eh? 21:01:01 <yorick> planetmaker: companies: 554 / 1570 (35.29%) 21:01:23 <Belugas> rock bugers 21:01:31 <yorick> clients: 168 / 7301 (2.30%) 21:01:45 <yorick> spectators: 6 / 3076 (0.20%) 21:03:49 <planetmaker> Hm... goal servers are *really* popular 21:04:26 <Muxy> yet another way of playing OpenTTD 21:04:29 <planetmaker> 5/8 of the stable 0.7.1 servers with more or equal than 5 clients 21:05:07 <yorick> planetmaker: goal servers kinda add a goal :p 21:05:18 <yorick> 0.7.1: 66 ( 45.5%), 125 clients 21:05:45 <Muxy> yorick: you have a bot in order to get stats ? 21:05:57 <yorick> Muxy: I have a script, yes :) 21:06:27 <dihedral> yorick, yes, but your python implementation aint the nicest solution :-P 21:07:01 <yorick> dihedral: you would do it better WITH!!!!!!OUT client modification? 21:07:53 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:54 <dihedral> i would not embed python for one thing, as squirrel is available 21:08:25 <Muxy> but squirrel is limited, is'nt it ? 21:08:54 <dihedral> + i would make sure that certain stuff was not done by openttd 21:08:57 <planetmaker> squirrel is as all things very unlimited :P 21:09:11 <dihedral> i.e. db access has not lost a single tick inside of openttd operations 21:09:46 <yorick> dihedral: that script is pure python 21:09:49 <planetmaker> but is it unlimited but countable or is it even uncountably infinite 21:10:03 <yorick> and threads 21:10:03 <dihedral> yorick, the script is pure python, but what executes the python? 21:10:10 <yorick> dihedral: I mean the stats script 21:10:54 <dihedral> but, it's an implementation ^^ 21:11:18 <dihedral> probably one though that will not last past .7.x 21:11:33 <yorick> the stats script not? 21:11:48 <dihedral> embeding python :-P 21:12:02 <yorick> I'm not embedding python (currently) 21:12:09 <yorick> I embedded python for that goal server 21:12:20 <yorick> but the goal server project died 21:12:26 <dihedral> oh 21:13:03 <dihedral> that's a shame 21:21:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:42 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:27:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:30:49 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:16 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:36:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-123-9.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:40:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:56 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 21:53:49 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@95.72.2.0] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 21:55:37 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest366 21:55:37 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:37 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:56:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:57:22 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:01:06 *** Guest366 [~Dale@c-98-223-59-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7788E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:37 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:16 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has joined #openttd 22:36:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:39:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 22:40:53 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Quit: nn] 22:40:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76A98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:08 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has joined #openttd 22:42:27 *** totalwor1age [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7519A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> this is bad... 22:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the replaced hard drive is causing the same kind of trouble as the old one... 22:52:27 <Nite_Owl> bad MB connection? 22:52:56 <Eddi|zuHause> how would that show? 22:53:11 <Nite_Owl> or bad ribbon cable? 22:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and what's a ribbon? 22:54:20 <Rubidium> maybe they replaced the replacement hard drive by the replaced hard drive 22:54:36 <Nite_Owl> rephrase - bad cable that connects the HD to the MB 22:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> you can throw around such questions all you want, they mean nothing unless you actually explain them 22:55:11 <Eddi|zuHause> do bad cables make *click* *clack* and then the computer freezes? 22:55:11 <Rubidium> http://gopaultech.com/files/2009/03/ide-ribbon-cable.jpg 22:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an SATA disk 22:57:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: does the disk make a TICK TICK sound? 22:57:18 <TrueBrain> like something trying to reset every time? 22:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not every time 22:57:45 <TrueBrain> but when the disk stops? 22:57:56 <TrueBrain> as that is a head of the disk failing 22:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> more like when it's supposed to start again 22:58:08 <TrueBrain> a very distinctive TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK :p 22:58:29 <TrueBrain> (it is the head rewinding and trying to locate the sector again, where the tick is the head hitting the magnet) 22:58:39 <TrueBrain> (his starting position, for that matter) 22:59:09 <TrueBrain> if you know the sound, you will always notice the sound :p 22:59:13 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:01:21 <Chruker> Coding question: In c++ if I have a variable in a function and in the beginning of the function a value is backed up to the variable. Then the function recursively calls itself a couple of times. And finally the backed up value is then restored. Would that work, so that whatever value was first backed up would be restored? 23:01:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FEB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:50 <Rubidium> calling a function does not change the values in the callee's function, unless you pass them by-reference or it's the variable where the return value is stored in 23:03:02 <Rubidium> values of variables 23:03:03 <Nite_Owl> it becomes a process of elimination Eddi - replace each component or test out each component on another computer 23:03:32 <Nite_Owl> leave the MB for last as that is a pain to replace 23:04:04 <Nite_Owl> if everything else works then it is the MB 23:04:19 <TrueBrain> there is always a change he replaced a bad drive with .. well .. a bad drive :) 23:04:24 <TrueBrain> change = chance ;) 23:04:39 <Nite_Owl> although the click-clack does come across as a HD problem 23:04:50 <Rubidium> the real question is: is the ticking due to the freezing or the freezing due to the ticking; could be that the disk puts itself into safe mode for some reason 23:05:04 <TrueBrain> if power fails, it makes a single click ;) 23:05:20 <TrueBrain> (electro magnet stopping to function, steady magnet taking in the heads :p) 23:05:26 <Chruker> eddi, maybe your bug migrated from your screen to the harddrive? 23:05:45 <TrueBrain> haha :) Finding a bug inside a harddrive is a nice free disk from your manifacture ;) 23:05:58 <TrueBrain> (it is sealed tight :p) 23:06:27 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: really? You would need to open it, thus voiding the warranty 23:06:38 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: haha :) Valid argument :p 23:06:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the freezing system is a side effect from the frozen harddrive... like if i try to copy something onto the drive, the system fails to do so, and a few seconds later it freezes 23:07:31 <TrueBrain> linux? 23:07:34 <Chruker> Check that your powersupply isnt broken 23:07:38 <TrueBrain> does tty0 show tons of IO errors? 23:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, linux 23:07:49 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:51 <TrueBrain> (can't read blabla) 23:07:57 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: take for example an engine of a car... if a mechanic during a service drops a bearing into the cilinder which destroys the whole cilinder they will still blame the owner of the car for messing with the engine 23:08:15 <Nite_Owl> but the system does boot or do you boot off a different drive 23:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that's the strange thing... the logs say nothing 23:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i boot off a different drive 23:08:28 <TrueBrain> check your smart 23:08:33 <TrueBrain> smartctl -a /dev/sda 23:08:35 <TrueBrain> (or what ever) 23:08:41 <TrueBrain> if there are any ECC or hard errors, it will tell you 23:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> smartd also did not make any kind of log entry 23:09:19 <TrueBrain> check smartctl to be sure :) smartd doesn't always trigger :p 23:09:24 <Chruker> rubidium, so the local variables are stored like a stack so that one call doesnt interfere with the next? 23:10:42 <Rubidium> Chruker: yes, that's the case in most computer languages 23:13:41 <TrueBrain> night all 23:13:43 <TrueBrain> good luck Eddi|zuHause 23:13:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:54 <Nite_Owl> later TrueBrain 23:13:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Error 12 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 12 hours (0 days + 12 hours) 23:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't know what that's supposed to tell me 23:14:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Error: UNC at LBA = 0x000034ac = 13484 23:15:51 <Nite_Owl> I do not know Linux but that looks like a sector error 23:16:37 <Nite_Owl> which would mean a bad platter 23:17:50 <Nite_Owl> I ran into that a while back and had to replace the HD since it could no longer write or read from that sector 23:18:19 <Nite_Owl> and crashed every time it tired to do so 23:18:25 <Nite_Owl> *tried 23:20:18 <Nite_Owl> you could go to the manufacturer's web site and see if they list what an Error 12 is 23:20:39 *** mib_sipteo [52848894@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that is just the number of the error, i.e. it's the 12th error logged 23:22:20 <Nite_Owl> well then same idea but try the UNC at LBA etc. 23:24:26 *** mib_sipteo [52848894@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:25:17 *** peternmob [~mirggi@82.132.136.166] has joined #openttd 23:26:26 <peternmob> hurr 23:26:44 <peternmob> Power cut fail :s 23:28:32 *** peternmob [~mirggi@82.132.136.166] has quit [] 23:29:14 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:29:44 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.25] has joined #openttd 23:30:24 <Nite_Owl> good luck Eddi - I need to feed - later all 23:30:48 *** Klanticus [~quassel@189.35.30.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:31:17 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:40:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:43:29 *** peternmob [~peternmob@82.132.136.165] has joined #openttd 23:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error 23:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause> # 1 Short offline Completed: read failure 90% 12 13484 23:43:44 <peternmob> Hurr 23:43:58 <peternmob> Jmirc is shit 23:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it starts with "J", it can only be shit... 23:45:15 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:45:36 <Xaroth> it contains 'mirc', it can only she shit... 23:45:58 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEa965.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:46:55 <Eddi|zuHause> can't your device run real programs? 23:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> as in... linux :p 23:47:11 <Xaroth> irssi++ 23:47:12 <peternmob> grrr 23:47:12 <peternmob> Fucking power 23:47:35 <Xaroth> or hell, a ssh client to connect to irssi like i do on my htc magic :P 23:47:35 <peternmob> no, its an e71 23:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure you're supposed to be fucking a power outlet... 23:47:41 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:09 <Xaroth> http://s2putty.sourceforge.net/ 23:48:13 <Xaroth> @ petern 23:48:15 <peternmob> i don't have my ssh key so i can't 23:48:20 <Xaroth> it's putty for Symbian :) 23:51:06 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE917f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:34 <peternmob> bah, no multiple servers 23:55:57 <Xaroth> nop 23:56:04 <Xaroth> it's not android's connectbot 23:56:07 * Xaroth <3 connectbot 23:57:54 *** peter__ [peter@217.151.97.219] has joined #openttd 23:57:57 <peter__> hah 23:58:02 <peter__> old shwll 23:58:23 <peter__> shell account i remembered about 23:59:00 <peter__> mmm, irssi 23:59:38 <peter__> pah, 1am national anthem 23:59:58 <peter__> short version