Log for #openttd on 8th July 2009:
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00:00:24  <peter__> 2hr30 off now
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00:21:46  <peternmob> lalala
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06:27:36  <dihedral> tada
06:29:45  <SirSquid1ess> amazing.
06:31:04  <dihedral> isn't it?
06:34:50  <SirSquid1ess> quite so
06:34:54  <SirSquid1ess> astounding even
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06:49:28  <dihedral> yes i was surprised too
06:49:54  <SirSquid1ess> I can see why.
06:49:56  <SirSquid1ess> I think
06:49:57  <SirSquid1ess> >.>
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07:37:02  <andythenorth_> meh.  anyone want to change the cargo payment rates to penalise long distances?  No?  Thought not.  Bad idea.
07:39:50  <planetmaker> why would you want to do that, andythenorth_ ? You're payed for transport after all...
07:40:13  <planetmaker> and the decreasing cargo price with time is already a sort-of distance penalty
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07:54:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16763 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/vietnamese.txt: -Add: initial translation of Vietnamese.
08:08:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't think the payment rates are either the issue nor the solution
08:09:32  <Eddi|zuHause> half of the solution is cargodest, the other half is an influence on station rating depending on the number of connected destinations
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08:10:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and why are there only 720p versions of torchwood?
08:11:00  <Rubidium> because the BBC dropped analog?
08:12:33  <Rubidium> although I have to agree 1080p would've been better
08:15:09  <Eddi|zuHause> that's fun and all, but my computer is not fast enough to play 720p
08:15:23  <Eddi|zuHause> nor is it good on my bandwidth
08:30:50  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16764 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the way viewport signs are marked dirty
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08:46:59  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: solved your disk issues? :)
08:47:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure... it just did not reappear yet ;)
08:50:32  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16765 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: give ViewportSign's width_1 and width_2 more self explaining names
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09:05:11  <Eddi|zuHause> so far my disk problem might be a strange interference between the new harddrive and my external hard drive
09:05:20  <Eddi|zuHause> although i have no idea how that can happen
09:05:29  <TrueBrain> SATA? It can't :p
09:05:37  <TrueBrain> even if the external is eSATA
09:05:51  <TrueBrain> the only 'problem' can be not sufficient power
09:06:02  <Eddi|zuHause> the external drive is USB
09:06:12  <TrueBrain> with its own power-source?
09:06:17  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
09:06:40  <TrueBrain> then it requires almost nthing from the USB hub, so power problems are unlikely (although possible :p)
09:07:21  <Eddi|zuHause> although the external drive seems to have problems staying on for longer times since i moved...
09:08:06  <TrueBrain> if you open up an external drive, it turns out that it is just an usb to SATA convertor :p
09:08:20  <TrueBrain> if a domain is about the expire the 11th this month, what are the chances I can register after it?
09:08:24  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that i was pretty certain of
09:09:15  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean grab a domain from someone who forgot to renew it?
09:09:22  <TrueBrain> no, it is no longer in use
09:10:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea... i never had a domain
09:10:57  <TrueBrain> I can make a backorder via godaddy ... might be worth the money ..
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09:20:35  <Muxy> your chance will depend on who owns the domain
09:23:06  <TrueBrain> well, I have a good feeling about this :p
09:24:03  <Eddi|zuHause> <- occasionally the guy is actually funny
09:24:27  <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> well, I have a good feeling about this :p <- you misquoted that :p
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10:08:30  <dragonhorseboy> any of you know about any parameters for the reducedpassengerpayment grf thats on Bananas with no forum thread link?
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10:15:20  <dragonhorseboy> hey mark
10:15:46  <Mark> hello
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10:16:29  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, try asking at the servers who use it
10:16:30  <dragonhorseboy> how're you?
10:16:30  <dihedral> :-P
10:17:03  <dragonhorseboy> dihedral...well thats the problem.. forum only has one single mention of it in someone's cfg list pasted but thats it .. I wonder who the author even was anyway :P
10:17:18  <dragonhorseboy> and none of the three major IS servers ever used it
10:17:36  <dragonhorseboy> I wonder about the description saying it had parameters especially for mail . but blah
10:18:00  <dihedral> google showed me that there are 2 servers using it - if i am not mistaken
10:18:01  <Eddi|zuHause> you tried grfcrawler?
10:18:12  <dihedral> the grfid is not in the crawler
10:18:29  <TrueBrain> so it is a useless grf :p
10:18:33  <Eddi|zuHause> then the grf is probably not worth using
10:18:46  <TrueBrain> at least link to a thread, I mean ..
10:18:57  <dragonhorseboy> well without parameters the grf actually just halves passenger payment rate alone
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10:19:13  <dragonhorseboy> but I'm curious about making it a bit less serve plus adding mail .. oh well i guess that'll be for another day ;)
10:19:21  <dihedral> perhaps it does not take params :-)
10:20:09  <yorick> heh, google OS
10:20:43  <dragonhorseboy> hm now to decide what roadsets to use hmmm
10:21:06  <yorick> later Google Cars, Google House, United States of Google, Google Planet
10:21:21  <TrueBrain> Google Phone is already there :p
10:21:34  <dihedral> we already have google earth ^^
10:22:31  <yorick>
10:23:16  <dragonhorseboy> any thoughts on a roadset for japan?
10:24:47  <yorick> and then the anti-google communists :)
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10:27:30  <dragonhorseboy> (I've obviously got naroadsetw for canset, czroadset for dbsetxl, but hmm..can't quite find something to go with the third set - japanset)
10:28:50  <Ammler> they have their own roads
10:29:01  <dragonhorseboy> oh..meh I'll check again..ty
10:29:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i was under the impression the japanese have replacements for everything
10:29:41  <dragonhorseboy> eddi..actually..I did quite like the japan landscape.. the green looks dull than bright sunny green if you know what I'm saying
10:29:55  <dragonhorseboy> :)
10:30:16  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i am never sure what you are actually saying
10:31:33  <dihedral> i dislike expect
10:31:38  <dihedral> silly piece of
10:31:39  <dihedral> !
10:31:41  <TrueBrain> I dislike expectations
10:31:51  <dihedral> it's neither interp nor thread safe
10:32:18  <Eddi|zuHause> where was this "lower expectations" institute from?
10:33:09  <Eddi|zuHause> something MadTV-ish i believe
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10:38:01  <TrueBrain> STOP THOSE HIT AND RUNS :'(
10:40:01  <Noldo> who is hit'n'runin'?
10:40:11  <TrueBrain> Gekz in this case
10:40:27  <dragonhorseboy> hmm guess I'll just finetune and start with a grf list based on dbsetxl...brb
10:40:27  <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: MadTV it was
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11:11:16  <dragonhorseboy> now to fix parameters then finally host.. :P
11:16:05  <planetmaker> wrong
11:16:26  <planetmaker> first define all newgrf and their parameters. Then start a new game with that. then host :)
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11:26:20  <Rubidium> wrong
11:26:23  <Rubidium> don't host at all
11:26:31  <TrueBrain> wrong
11:26:32  <TrueBrain> don't
11:26:46  <Ammler> don't play openttd?
11:28:22  <petern> of course not
11:28:25  <petern> it's a stupid game
11:28:28  <petern> not realistic at all
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11:31:28  <dragonhorseboy> btw whatever happened to the snowline option? IS3 doesn't seem to include it in advanced setting anymore
11:38:55  <dihedral> hehe, nice one petern
11:43:11  <dragonhorseboy> hmm ammler...
11:43:26  <Ammler> wow, IS3 already?
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11:44:29  <dragonhorseboy> the basecost.grf .. I'm not sure if its just not liking danmack's grfs or ottd-IS is just glitching up with the combination but the terraform parameter is only set to 2 yet it seem to still cost over 000 just for one rail tile on a slope
11:45:14  <dragonhorseboy> I'm trying different parameters with danmack's grfs .. so far no change
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11:47:08  <dihedral> load it after the danmacks grf
11:47:25  <dihedral> + building on a slope = terraforming
11:48:03  <dragonhorseboy> I didn't want it to only cost 0 yet I didn't want it to cost 000 neither .. heh ... hm let me recheck the grf order
11:49:43  <petern> Ammler, yes IS2-beta3 is exactly the same thing as IS3, or something
11:49:45  <dragonhorseboy> hm weird .. being either at bottom or on top doesn't matter to all parameters except for the one terraform one..I guess one of the other grf must be affecting it
11:51:26  <dihedral> no kidding!
11:51:49  <TrueBrain> *hihi*
11:52:07  <dragonhorseboy> I wonder why danmack would want to modify the terraform
11:52:14  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: changing basecosts on a running game isn't that easy, afaik.
11:52:36  <dihedral> + why dont you ask danmack himself?
11:52:51  <dragonhorseboy> ammler..its a fresh new map
11:53:01  <dragonhorseboy> I was just trying to test the various parameters before starting a server
11:53:19  <Ammler> a fresh new map is already a running game :-)
11:53:45  <dragonhorseboy> hmm just thought..maybe rebooting ottd would help...
11:54:25  <dragonhorseboy> huh .. no it doesn't not even for terraform set to 255
11:54:40  <dragonhorseboy> hmm..basecost must be broken..lets see what happens when its gone
11:54:40  <Ammler> last time a "played" with base costs, it was easiest with saving difficulty settings, not sure, if that still works.
11:56:45  <dragonhorseboy> hmm yeah looks like basecost just didn't like can*.grf perhaps .. the terraform cost is back to default now
11:57:07  <dragonhorseboy> oh well..I changed difficulity to high costs to do for now :P
11:57:20  <Rubidium> can*.grf are designed to be NOT used with any other NewGRFs
11:57:37  <dragonhorseboy> rubidium check the pdf readmes..they do mention being able to support other grfs
11:57:54  <Ammler> Rubidium: sounds like can*grf is designed to not used with OpenTTD ;-)
11:57:55  <dragonhorseboy> espcially at displaying included hq's if used with another hq grf too
11:58:14  <dragonhorseboy> and there's parameters for to support ecs industries instead
11:58:27  <dragonhorseboy> I could go on but better if you just read the pdfs themself
11:58:40  <Rubidium> where's the good old time that any other NewGRF was 'crap' etc?
11:58:59  <Rubidium> was probably back when they disabled themselves when they found OpenTTD ;)
11:59:35  <Rubidium> because we didn't react in a manner that pleases them on some feature requests
12:00:02  <dihedral> ^^
12:01:01  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: working grf presets:
12:01:04  <dragonhorseboy> well to put it...what if a building set introduced its own road tiles then later someone drew up a newer better one .. so thats where the parameter to disable there own roadset for third party one (in the building set) comes from :)
12:01:08  <Ammler> (but old :-)
12:01:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16766 /trunk/src/ (station.cpp station_base.h station_cmd.cpp):
12:01:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: remove station->MarkDirty. It is in all cases meant to only update
12:01:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the sign and not invalidate the widget; the widget would be invalidated by a
12:01:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: call before/after the call to MarkDirty or it wouldn't make sense because e.g.
12:01:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: the window doesn't exist anymore/yet.
12:01:40  <dragonhorseboy> ammler heh
12:01:49  <dihedral> dragonhorseboy, idealy they should split stuff up into multiple grf's
12:04:20  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: specially the opengfx were there for testing purposes only, can be removed on those lists.
12:05:54  <dragonhorseboy> well guess I'm just going start server as it is for now and fix the missing aspects later on
12:07:55  <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: are you banned from jointy's server, so you need to make your own server?
12:08:54  <dragonhorseboy> no..just that I thought of it yesterday afternoon while the server computers were still offline :)
12:09:25  <dragonhorseboy> it was too late to start one (only <7 hours of day remaining) so I decided to wait to start it this morning instead ... 14+ hours to play now)
12:09:30  <dragonhorseboy> :)
12:10:36  <dragonhorseboy> well its running now... should be able to find it in server list in a few minutes ;)
12:11:10  <dragonhorseboy> oh and I rechecked this fact before but all grfs are indeed findable in the ottdcoop grf package (beside one or two were only from Bananas tho)
12:12:13  <dragonhorseboy> oh shit..wait...forgot ISR -_-
12:12:15  <Ammler> if it is running now, it should be on the list now, afaik.
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12:13:24  <dragonhorseboy> I had to reload it actually
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12:13:31  <dragonhorseboy> so silly of me to forgot to add ISR to the grf list
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12:13:35  <dragonhorseboy> :)
12:14:35  <Ammler> yeah, I am suprised, ISR isn't on top of the bananas stats.
12:14:49  <dragonhorseboy> I really love it .. use it many times on EVERY single map :)
12:14:54  <dragonhorseboy> espeically the mine loader
12:16:17  <dragonhorseboy> anyway if you're going take a look..don't be mindful of the slight different industries .. canset lets you import arctic industries into temperate (well..what is canada without any print works right?)
12:17:25  <dragonhorseboy> ;)
12:27:22  <yorick> dragonhorseboy: ISR is the most used multiplayer grf, next to the generic tram set
12:32:12  <Ammler> yorick: you still make stats with the python bot?
12:32:23  <yorick> Ammler: I made some yesterday
12:32:24  <Ammler> any page?
12:32:28  <yorick> nope ;)
12:32:38  * yorick lunch...brb
12:32:41  <Ammler> pastebin :P
12:46:59  <Belugas> hello
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13:03:44  <yorick> ammler:
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13:10:04  <dihedral> you have a minor flaw in that
13:10:20  <dihedral> 97/133 servers queried,  72.93 %
13:10:29  <dihedral> of 133 servers have a password
13:10:57  <dihedral> you cannot say that 133 servers are the 100% because you did not manage to query 36 of them
13:11:18  <dihedral> which makes your stats inaccurate
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13:12:02  <Ammler> what's the reason, you didn't query them?
13:12:31  <Ammler> and still not many servers with newgrfs... :-/
13:12:32  <dihedral> perhaps he got the ip's and ports from the master server, but they were in fact offline?
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13:13:50  <yorick> dihedral: the part before the ###### is a status report ;)
13:14:05  <yorick> "the master server currently knows 133 servers, 133 are up, 133 could be queried"
13:15:20  <dihedral> then why were so many not queried?
13:16:06  <yorick> dihedral: they were, but some were still being queried in the part before ########
13:18:35  <yorick> dihedral: maybe will confuse you less
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13:21:04  <dragonhorseboy> back
13:22:26  <dihedral> yorick, :-P
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13:40:07  <Belugas> those stats are for openttd's master server or another one?
13:40:39  <dragonhorseboy> well I'm off but I'll leave the game still running ;)
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13:41:12  <Belugas> ho?  dragonhorseboy is canadian.  ho well... they are everywhere, nowaday
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13:42:38  <Muxy> good afternoon for CET
13:45:08  <Belugas> good morning from GMT-5
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13:48:08  <SirSquid1ess> G'evening from GMT+10 (or 11... can't remember if we're in or out of DST atm..)
13:48:20  <yorick> Good afternoon from GMT+2
13:49:03  <yorick> oh hello Muxy, at least you don't kiss us anymore :)
13:50:22  <Muxy> hum, Kiss from Goulp
13:50:58  <Muxy> well, good morning for GMT-5
13:51:26  <yorick> :(
13:51:32  * yorick wipes it off
13:51:40  <Muxy> you dont like Goulp Kiss ?
13:51:45  <yorick> not quite
13:52:03  <Muxy> but the Goulp Kiss is not a French Kiss
13:52:13  <Muxy> Even if the goulp is in France
13:53:45  <yorick> ugh, goulps
13:53:50  * yorick goulps
13:54:18  <yorick> that's like the sound dead fish would make when they could make a sound
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13:55:11  <Muxy> but my goulp is not a sound
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13:57:20  <yorick> they all say that
13:58:02  <Muxy> who are they ?
13:58:08  <yorick> you
13:58:13  <Muxy> i'm not they
13:58:26  <yorick> yes you are!
13:58:42  <Muxy> my goulp is hell
13:58:51  <Muxy> like the original one
13:58:54  <yorick> and they al say that
13:59:05  <Muxy> and you always say that ?
13:59:56  <yorick> no
14:00:20  <Muxy> "le Goulp c'est l'Enfer"
14:01:25  <Belugas> dead fish make sounds?  wow... zombies!
14:01:39  <yorick> Belugas: if they could make a sound ;)
14:01:44  <yorick> or it would be too realistic
14:02:11  <Belugas> yeah... right...
14:02:25  <yorick> yes, dead fish covered in snow would be too realistic
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14:02:51  <Belugas> like.. if dinosaurs were alive, thet would climb on the trees when thunder sounds were heard...
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14:04:01  <yorick> for example, yes
14:04:15  <yorick> and they would eat their soundmaking dead fish covered in snow until the thunder was over
14:05:02  <Belugas> WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!  ALL RUN FOR COVER!!!!!  Yorick has smoked illegal stuff ONCE MORE!!!!!  WARNING WARNING WARNING!!!!!
14:05:48  <Muxy> smoked fish... salmon ?
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14:07:34  <yorick> Belugas: no, I'm always like that
14:07:40  <yorick> or sometimes
14:08:05  <Belugas> haa.a. you are... sorry, i lost habit...
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14:09:52  <codewolf> heya peoples
14:09:57  <yorick> heya codewolfs
14:09:59  <codewolf> :)
14:10:14  <fonsinchen> Bah, I see now, why that other smallmap zooming patch features a complete rewrite of the smallmap drawing algorithm.
14:10:16  <Muxy> yeha you
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14:10:33  <fonsinchen> The current implementation is just too messy to fix.
14:10:59  <codewolf> had a small question, trying to install a daylenght path but its bitching about a settings.h file. i cant find it and was wondering if it got renamed or removed in a newer version or something
14:11:34  <yorick> Belugas: and it would be lega
14:11:35  <yorick> l
14:13:00  <Rubidium> if you want to install a patch install it to the version the patch was made for
14:14:12  <codewolf> ah oke so i really need to keep a eye on the version number when using a patch. guess that makes sense :)
14:14:50  <codewolf> was doing quite well untill it tried to find that header file, i was having some hope it would just go trough :)
14:16:20  <Eddi|zuHause> hey... forum is de-403-ed :)
14:16:32  <codewolf> is kind of off tough, the cpp files are present in the tar but not the matching header
14:16:41  <Eddi|zuHause> and that's only a "not found" away from a palindrome...
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14:25:17  <Belugas> which is not the same as an aerodrome
14:25:46  <petern> cleesedrome
14:25:52  <Eddi|zuHause> no... palindromes are only for cool people
14:31:56  <Belugas> ho... and for the others, it's syndrome?
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15:24:24  <dragonhorseboy> hey
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15:36:45  <Chruker> heh, what do we have here a little poet?
15:36:46  <Chruker> -Merge: tomatos and bananas left to be, here is NoAI for all to see.
15:39:06  <dihedral> that is OLD
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15:40:02  <yorick> tomatos to be
15:40:59  <Belugas> to be do be
15:41:06  <Belugas> to beer, do beer
15:42:14  <Rubidium> to code or not to code, that's the question ;)
15:43:37  <Rubidium> or for Belugas: two beer or be here, that's the question
15:43:41  <petern> not
15:43:53  <planetmaker> music! :)
15:43:58  <petern> ding
15:44:05  <Rubidium> -a-dong
15:44:20  <Prof_Frink> Put your dong away.
15:44:36  <Belugas> bang a gong
15:45:13  <Rubidium> <- really... it was on German TV too?
15:46:49  <planetmaker> given the shown broadcast year, I have no way to know :)
15:48:53  <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'm just assuming ZDF is German
15:49:07  <planetmaker> yes it is
15:49:22  <planetmaker> Must be pretty new back then, I think...
15:49:35  <Rubidium> oh, but you might've seen it on TV
15:49:41  <planetmaker> oh, well. They started in 1967 with ZDF
15:49:41  <Belugas> [11:43] <@Rubidium> or for Belugas: two beer or be here, that's the question   <--- yeah... like... gimme two beers and let get get out of "here"
15:50:18  <Rubidium> the ZDF Dokukanal began reruns in 2007 starting with episodes from 1975
15:50:50  <planetmaker> :) I don't own any TV anymore since ~2006
15:51:24  <Rubidium> and that means you are totally unable to watch TV?
15:52:20  <planetmaker> it doesn't mean that.
15:52:50  <planetmaker> But it implies that I spend quite a tiny amount of time watching TV. Least obscure channels :)
15:53:03  <planetmaker> But granted, it is supposedly not the worst one afaik
15:53:38  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: ZDF Dokukanal is only available via digital tv, and practically nobody has that...
15:54:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and i did not get ZDF before 1989
15:56:51  <planetmaker> ARD = ausser Raum Dresden?
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15:57:39  <Rubidium> poor Eddi|zuHause :)
15:58:10  <Rubidium> I couldn't watch RTL since uhm... this April ;)
15:58:11  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i said zdf
15:58:19  <Eddi|zuHause> we did get ARD
15:58:53  <Eddi|zuHause> and no, i was not near dresden
15:59:08  <Eddi|zuHause> that was called "Tal der Ahnungslosen" for a reason ;)
15:59:37  <planetmaker> I know and I know :)
16:00:00  <planetmaker> And I didn't know to the middle statement :)
16:00:48  <Eddi|zuHause> that's a weird statement, considering i gave 4 statements
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16:03:36  <planetmaker> :P
16:03:56  <planetmaker> The first appeared in different (highlight) colour and doesn't count in my enumeration scheme employed :P
16:04:23  <planetmaker> nvm. :) Getting pretty weired :P
16:06:48  <planetmaker> I don't want to upload useless stuff. Does bananas accept an upload in a zip or tar file which contains everything for a new version (grf, readme, license)?
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16:11:07  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean you want a batch-upload feature?
16:11:49  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, no, I don't want a feature. I just want to know what I have to create with the target 'make bananas' :)
16:11:58  <planetmaker> for the NewGRF projects.
16:12:23  <planetmaker> e.g. can I just zip everything which goes there or is it no use at all to zip or tar it?
16:12:38  <planetmaker> may I use a dir in the zip or tar - or may I not?
16:12:57  <Eddi|zuHause> i can't help you with that
16:13:04  <Rubidium> well, that'd imply you use a custom license; selecting any other assumes there isn't a license file AFAIK
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16:14:04  <DaleStan> Wait, what? Selecting GPL means that the uploader does not upload (distribute) with a copy of the GPL?
16:14:26  <Rubidium> just putting a readme.txt and the grf is probably enough
16:14:49  <Eddi|zuHause> DaleStan: all places that such a file could go already have a GPL copy
16:14:55  <Rubidium> DaleStan: does that matter for the author?
16:15:34  <DaleStan> Rubidium: It does if the uploader doesn't have the rights to distribute without a copy of the GPL. (i.e. doesn't have copyright to the entire file.)
16:15:47  <DaleStan> Eddi|zuHause: GPL 2 and 3 both?
16:16:02  <planetmaker> Rubidium, but may I upload them in a joint tar or zip?
16:16:15  <planetmaker> e.g. one upload instead of two or three?
16:16:36  <Rubidium> huh, two or three uploads?
16:16:39  <planetmaker> well... maybe such target is nonsense. But some people would like it :)
16:16:48  <Rubidium> you never have used bananas, have you?
16:16:51  <planetmaker> Rubidium, <name>.grf, readme.txt
16:17:01  <planetmaker> Rubidium, only for a single upload of a heightmap.
16:17:22  <Rubidium> planetmaker: then you would've noticed there's only one upload field
16:18:04  <planetmaker> hm... true.
16:18:33  <planetmaker> may the tar have paths inside?
16:18:41  <Sacro> DaleStan: tt-forums seems to have no concept of attaching the GPL with a download
16:18:48  <Sacro> i've reported so many binaries because of it
16:18:50  <Rubidium> planetmaker: don't think so
16:19:21  <planetmaker> ok, because that's something needed to know :)
16:19:55  <DaleStan> Sacro: TT-forums allow archives, though. The idea I got is that Bananas does not.
16:19:59  <Rubidium> planetmaker: but then, I'm not 100% sure about it
16:20:27  <Rubidium> DaleStan: bananas allows archives, it's only a bit pickier than tt-forums
16:20:34  <planetmaker> hm...
16:20:54  <Rubidium> e.g. you need to either have a license or copying file in the archive or select one to be added to that archive
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16:21:16  <DaleStan> Then I retract my objections.
16:22:29  <Rubidium> though I'm not sure how the corner case 'archive with license + selecting the non-custom license' works, whether that ditches the license or rejects it
16:23:01  <Rubidium> but all files distributed via bananas have a license or copying file
16:23:34  <planetmaker> :)
16:24:27  <planetmaker> I'm amazed. Nearly 8.5k downloads of the stuipd Marsian elevation map I uploaded...
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16:25:26  <Rubidium> planetmaker: so there've been 8500 people that've selected everything they could get their hands on? :)
16:26:04  <Eddi|zuHause> why did nobody ever put a "download internet" button into a browser?
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16:27:16  <planetmaker> most probable, yes
16:27:34  <petern> y
16:27:45  <Rubidium> hmm, lets calculate when we'll hit 2 million downloads via bananas
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16:29:56  <Rubidium> I'd estimate that to be around next sunday around 18:00
16:30:11  <Brianetta> Bananas is the in-game content system, right?
16:30:12  <planetmaker> :O
16:30:25  <Rubidium> Brianetta: yes
16:30:51  <Brianetta> Might be illuminating to record the amount downloaded in bytes (:
16:30:58  <Rubidium> 1 million was 15th of May
16:31:24  <Rubidium> Brianetta: that we don't record, but... it can be calculated
16:32:54  <Brianetta> This laptop battery is only capable of a 28% charge.  That sucks, but it was free.
16:33:04  <planetmaker> :P
16:33:11  <Brianetta> I also got one that can do 75%, which beats my original battery's 70%
16:33:20  <Brianetta> Score.
16:34:18  <planetmaker> Queue.BinaryHeap	1	28954 times <-- winner in terms of downloads per single version
16:36:25  <Rubidium> Brianetta: 811.238.547.698 bytes, or almost 420.000 bytes per file
16:37:30  <planetmaker> wow
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16:38:29  <Rubidium> would mean it's about half of the used bandwidth
16:38:46  <Rubidium> which makes sense as the bandwidth usage roughly doubled since 0.7
16:40:06  <Belugas> 2 MILLION downloads????
16:40:08  <Belugas> fuck
16:40:10  <Belugas> what a feature!
16:41:00  <Rubidium> @calc 2000000/300
16:41:00  <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 6666.66666667
16:41:18  <Rubidium> would only mean about 7000 people downloading everything they could download
16:41:32  <z-MaTRiX> @calc sqr(sqrt(-1))
16:41:32  <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: Error: 'sqr' is not a defined function.
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16:41:48  <z-MaTRiX> @calc sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1)
16:41:48  <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: -1
16:41:54  <planetmaker> :)
16:41:56  <z-MaTRiX> ye
16:42:10  <planetmaker> @calc sqrt(-1)
16:42:10  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: i
16:42:35  <dihedral> @calc i * i
16:42:35  <DorpsGek> dihedral: -1
16:42:37  <dihedral> hihi
16:42:46  <dihedral> clever little bitch of TB
16:42:48  <Rubidium> given that there are about 50.000 downloads a month, only a small percentage downloads something
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16:42:59  <z-MaTRiX> sqrt(sqrt(-1))
16:43:02  <z-MaTRiX> <;
16:43:08  <planetmaker> hm. True and sad :)
16:43:16  <dihedral> and brain
16:43:18  <z-MaTRiX> @calc sqrt(sqrt(-1))
16:43:18  <DorpsGek> z-MaTRiX: 0.707106781187+0.707106781187i
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16:43:29  <dihedral> now go play with the bot in a private message will you?
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16:56:01  <Rubidium> the average number of selected 'things' per download is only 2 and the download massive amounts of NewGRFs don't seem to happen that much lately
16:56:20  <Rubidium> so everyone's just moved updating the content now
16:59:03  <Rubidium> <- visualisation of the download numbers
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17:00:36  <Eddi|zuHause> could use a few descriptions ;)
17:01:25  <Rubidium> use a 'better' pdf reader ;)
17:01:49  <Eddi|zuHause> that might be an issue...
17:02:04  <Rubidium> like xpdf
17:04:08  <Eddi|zuHause> kpdf might lack a few advanced features... i noticed that previously when my father sent me an annotated pdf
17:05:14  <Rubidium> for what it's worth: number of binary downloads a day, average downloads per week day, average downloads per hour, bananas downloads a day
17:05:39  <frosch123> hooray! the g8 want to enact a law, which limits global heating by 2 degree. let's see how they will punish it if the global heating infringes.
17:06:21  <Rubidium> Fahrenheit or Kelvin/Celsius?
17:06:38  <frosch123> K/?C
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17:07:19  <Rubidium> or degrees based on a 10 centimeter high thermometer with 1 degree C per millimeter at a distance of 1 kilometer
17:07:45  <frosch123> imo flooding should also be disallowed
17:09:04  <Eddi|zuHause> in the last graph, there are two jumps, one in early april is the release of 0.7.0, but what's the earlier one mid february?
17:09:06  <Rubidium> they'll just rename floods to flushes; heavy rainfall flushed Bangladesh, a hurricane flushed the lower parts of New Orlean
17:09:52  <jaachanor> is the "plane overtaking" by separating planes in height by their max speed supposed to work?
17:09:57  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the first jump is beta, the second jump (mid march) is rc, the third is stable
17:10:17  <Eddi|zuHause> the middle one is less noticeable
17:10:27  <severb> greetings, I'm trying to understand how signals work and I would like to ask for some help, is posting a link to an image allowed?
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17:10:53  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the line is confusing, it could be a step-function for each block
17:11:38  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: please tell me how to do that automagically in oocalc
17:11:44  <Eddi|zuHause> ;)
17:12:31  <Rubidium> in the first graph you can see the week of Christmas too as anomaly
17:12:38  <Eddi|zuHause> piecewise functions you can usually do with IF(x<a, f(x), g(x))
17:13:01  <severb> guys, can you please help me? :-)
17:13:06  <yorick> maybe
17:13:36  <Rubidium> why would linking to images be disallowed if linking to pdfs is allowed?
17:13:45  <Eddi|zuHause> severb: a) please do not ask to ast, b) how many signal tutorials have you read?
17:14:04  <severb> Eddi|zuHause: I've read all I could find on wiki about signals
17:14:17  <Eddi|zuHause> "all i could find" is not an answer
17:14:22  <Yexo> hello
17:14:27  <Eddi|zuHause> for all we know, you found nothing
17:14:41  <Eddi|zuHause> and you still have not shown us your problem
17:14:45  <severb> oh, there are some pages on wiki about signals
17:14:55  <yorick> ...
17:14:58  <severb> I like to ask if it's ok to post a link before doing it
17:14:59  <jaachanor> does it work for anyone?
17:14:59  <severb>
17:15:16  <yorick> serverb: yes, and
17:15:20  <Eddi|zuHause> and we are annoyed by people who ask if they are allowed to do something
17:15:37  <yorick> what is your question
17:15:40  <severb> so, I would like to place the signals in such a way that either the two trains form A to go to B one after the other
17:15:52  <Rubidium> jaachanor: you probably won't even see the height separation
17:15:54  <severb> or the two from B to go to A
17:16:17  <yorick> serverb, so basically you don t want them to crash into eachother?
17:16:31  <severb> no, I don't want them to intersect in the middle and turn back
17:16:34  <jaachanor> Rubidium: i thought that was the point of it? so they wouldn't "glide" through eachother?
17:16:52  <Eddi|zuHause> severb: you need to place the signals in the middle in a way so they overlap each other
17:16:54  <yorick> serverb, use path signals
17:17:04  <severb> path signals?
17:17:11  <yorick> or listen to Eddi, that's probably wiser :)
17:18:23  <severb> Eddi|zuHause: the idea is in the moment the first train leaves for example train1 all the trains in the other station can't go, until train 1 arrives
17:18:26  <Eddi|zuHause>,%2023.%20Maer%201942.png <- try it like here on the middle track
17:18:30  <Rubidium> jaachanor: planes are a mess w.r.t. bounding boxes; their bounding box is about the size of the cock pit, making it very likely that they swap when one is faster than the other
17:18:40  <severb> and eventually train 2 can follow train 1
17:18:56  <jaachanor> Rubidium: i see
17:19:41  <jaachanor> i think i remember them being separated noticably, but it might have been a patch
17:20:00  <Eddi|zuHause> severb: you understand the picture? one in the end, two in the middle facing each other, one in the other end
17:20:37  <Rubidium> as for the drawing algorithm they are not touching, thus there's no need to determine which one is closer to the camera. Besides that at all distances they are equally big so you can't see which one is closer when they don't overlap
17:20:41  <Eddi|zuHause> must be the ones allowing traffic through the back
17:20:45  <severb> Eddi|zuHause: I'm having a hard time to understand it, I'm a noob :-)
17:21:05  <Eddi|zuHause> right click the signals in the signal gui to get a description
17:21:51  <severb> already tried that, but thanks anyway I'll give it another try maybe I get lucky
17:22:32  <severb> is there a good tutorial about signals?
17:23:30  <yorick> serverb, <-- this, but it's old
17:23:49  <Eddi|zuHause>
17:24:02  <severb> thanks a lot
17:24:16  <Eddi|zuHause> <- better this one
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18:12:06  <Wolf01> hello :D
18:13:39  <yorick> hello :D
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18:17:44  <Belugas> hi Wolf01.  never mind yorick, he smoked some stuff. Again
18:18:50  <Wolf01> how is going on?
18:19:55  <Belugas> it's going on buzy, as usual... and yuo?
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18:20:47  <Wolf01> the days don't have enough hours to do everything :P
18:21:05  <Wammler> just liked to install openttd on windows vista, that is how the readme looks:
18:21:21  <Wammler>
18:21:24  <Wammler> hmm
18:21:51  <Wolf01> that's because notepad is broken
18:22:11  <tokai> it probably only can handle MS DOS linefeeds
18:23:28  <yorick> Wammler: make bundle should fix it first ;)
18:24:15  <Wammler> yorick: I won't install devtools on that maschine
18:24:39  <Belugas> Wammler, try Notepad2, or Notepad++
18:24:46  <Prof_Frink> Or wordpad.
18:24:54  <Belugas> indeed
18:25:09  <yorick> or notepad++
18:25:22  <Prof_Frink> Or kate. Or vim.
18:25:34  <Belugas> by the way, congrats, Wammler... you're among the few ones wo actually are trying to read the readme file...
18:25:39  <Wammler> well, shouldn't the readme somehow easy be readable?
18:25:45  <Belugas> yorick, that's what I said :S
18:25:54  <yorick> Belugas: I know
18:25:56  <Belugas> Wammler, it is readable
18:26:14  <Belugas> just that notepad is awfully shitty
18:26:17  <Wammler> Belugas: thanks
18:26:26  <Wammler> (I am Ammler on web)
18:26:41  <planetmaker> :O
18:26:56  * yorick thought of ammler on windows
18:27:12  <Wammler> yorick: windows and irc client?
18:27:44  <yorick> Wammler: well I can do it ;)
18:32:48  <Belugas> identity theft...
18:34:14  <Wammler> I have and opengfx in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\OpenTTD\data
18:34:30  <Wammler> now, I should be able to start, shouldn't I?
18:35:01  <Belugas> yes no maybe
18:35:34  <dihedral> Ammler: you just had the readme open, it tells you where it looks for those files!
18:36:02  <Wammler> yes, isn't that the correct location?
18:36:09  <dihedral> read it!
18:37:17  <Wammler> 204   3. The shared directory
18:37:28  <Wammler> Windows: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\OpenTTD
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18:38:35  <dihedral> well there you have it then! :-)
18:38:55  <Wammler> doesn't find there
18:39:09  <yorick> wwottdgd2 was one year ago - 4 days
18:39:14  <yorick> time for a new one?
18:39:25  <Belugas> a coffee? yes indeed
18:39:27  <Belugas> thaks
18:39:29  <Belugas> +n
18:40:17  <planetmaker> yorick, but *someone* has to do it :)
18:40:21  <dihedral> yorick, who actually cares :-P
18:40:25  <Belugas> Ammler, if you have a openttd.cfg somewhere, better remove it and restart
18:40:27  <Belugas> i think
18:40:52  <dihedral> yeah - you cannot just move your config to another location than your data folder
18:40:52  <yorick> planetmaker, you are a someone?
18:40:57  <Wammler> Belugas: this maschine never saw a openttd before
18:41:06  <yorick> machine*
18:41:07  <dihedral> yorick, neither pm nor me this year
18:41:15  <yorick> ;)
18:41:41  <Wammler> I just downloaded and executed the openttd
18:41:41  <dihedral> Wammler, does not mean that the config could be created in another place :-P
18:41:58  <Wammler> it works iwth the in the binary location.
18:42:00  <dihedral> then you should have a look for the config in you personal Documents folder
18:42:45  <Wammler> well, nvm. I just wanted an alternative to solitaire here :-)
18:45:14  <Belugas> sudoku
18:45:17  <Wammler> I might be the first, who tried to install it systemwide on windows
18:50:57  <frosch123> sudoku is boring
18:53:50  <Belugas> well... since i discover it, i still like it a lot :)  WebSudoku, Evil level.  Print two, am good for traveling home.  Daily routine :)
18:54:10  <frosch123> <- there is so much more interesting stuff
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19:04:59  <Belugas> miam
19:11:06  <yorick> :)
19:14:14  <KenjiE20> lol
19:14:44  <frosch123> intersting problem there btw., i guess it is some famous problem, isn't it?
19:18:41  <Xaroth>
19:18:54  <yorick> frosch123: try looking at the alt-text
19:21:00  <Rubidium> Wammler: what exact version of OpenTTD did you download?
19:21:24  <Eddi|zuHause> omg... i have been reading xkcd for how many years now? i never noticed that there's an alt-text
19:21:30  <dihedral> hehe IS2-beta3? :-D
19:22:28  <frosch123> well, I guess either the solution is 0 or some irrational number
19:22:45  <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: wow, you just missed half the jokes
19:23:51  <Wammler> Rubidium: r16521
19:24:01  <Wammler> 621
19:24:24  <Rubidium> and then the win9x, win32 or win64 version?
19:24:48  <Wammler> win32
19:24:49  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: fail! ;)
19:25:18  <Wammler>
19:26:34  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i am not just going through 600 comics and checking the alt-texts
19:27:06  <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, you are.
19:27:29  <Eddi|zuHause> NO!! I'M NOT !!1!1!einself
19:28:16  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm quite certain i have not seen all the comics anyway
19:28:56  <Wammler> is shift-1 = "!" on german keyboard?
19:29:08  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
19:29:18  <Sacro> shift-1?
19:29:24  <Sacro> surely shift+1
19:29:28  <Prof_Frink> Capital 1.
19:29:29  <Eddi|zuHause> he means shift+1 ;)
19:29:55  <Wammler> sacro, how do you type shift-1?
19:30:51  <Eddi|zuHause> Wammler: it's a standard notation, "a+b" if you press two keys simultaneously, "a,b" if you press them one after another
19:30:51  <Wammler> (what else could you mean?)
19:31:39  <Wammler> maybe, I didn't use it because on my keyboard shift+1 is "+" :-)
19:31:41  <Prof_Frink> c-a c
19:31:57  <Prof_Frink> Wammler: Your keyboard's broken.
19:32:29  <Wammler> oh, you mean, all my spelling errors are because of my broken keyboard?
19:32:43  <frosch123> ?-shift=ss
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19:33:13  <frosch123> ^^ quite troublesome equation
19:33:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16769 /trunk/Makefile.msvc: -Fix: win32 and win64 binary packages wouldn't get their readme converted to DOS line endings
19:33:25  <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: that's assuming that the operation is commutative ;)
19:33:40  <Wammler> \o/ windows bug fixed by linux user :P
19:33:53  <Wammler> s
19:34:43  <Wammler> that proves, windows users don't read readmes :-)
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19:36:01  <dihedral> Rubidium, since when? i mean - nobody notices anything like that as nobody ever reads it, but now that it's mentiond, i believe someone in the forums once mentioned something along those lines too
19:39:27  <frosch123> hmm, I should not have taken a look at the changeset :o
19:40:24  * Rubidium ponders whether to quote that
19:40:53  <dihedral> :-D
19:40:56  <dihedral> lol
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19:54:22  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16770 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/stdafx.h: [MSU] -Fix: compilation, by updating stdafx.h
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20:22:08  <andythenorth_> evening
20:26:43  <Muxy> good evening from/for  CET DST
20:27:10  <Eddi|zuHause> that's called CEST
20:27:36  <Muxy> fine
20:29:02  <Muxy> i'm searching in the source code function used to compute requested good to make a town grow
20:29:30  <Eddi|zuHause> GrowTown?
20:30:17  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a simple check saying "if (arctic climate and no food, or tropic climate and not both food and water) return;"
20:31:21  <Muxy> meaning, for tropic, a town will grow only if there is food > 0 and water > 0
20:32:01  <planetmaker> Muxy: the town will tell you
20:32:20  <Muxy> yeap in the town window, i know
20:34:28  <Muxy> but i was searching for a more complex rule, regarding town population, you have to supply a minimum of cargo
20:34:45  <Eddi|zuHause> that does not exist
20:35:41  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: lies...
20:35:56  <Rubidium> if population < certain threshold it'll always grow
20:36:05  <Rubidium> regardless of whether it needs water/food
20:36:35  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, it's _slightly_ more complex, but not in a way that Muxy wanted ;)
20:36:44  <frosch123> also when it is funded :)
20:37:31  <Muxy> Well i found something here : UpdateTownGrowRate
20:37:58  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's it
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20:46:56  <HackaLittleBit> evenin
20:47:06  <yorick> evenin
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20:47:38  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
20:48:27  <HackaLittleBit> hello
20:48:59  <Nite_Owl> Hello HackaLittleBit
20:49:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16771 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_tilelist.hpp.sq: -Fix: API export was forgotten causing API to think variables were uint; doesn't matter much as int was converted to uint and then back.
21:01:42  <Muxy> well, i found the second part of my question...
21:02:37  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:08:28  <Chruker> hmm, does anybody have a chart/table over the different vehicles start, max and end reliabilities?
21:09:46  <Rubidium> wiki?
21:10:16  <Hirundo> reliabilities are randomized IIRC
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21:12:56  <Rubidium> are the error messages in still correct for the English?
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21:14:03  <Chruker> I couldnt find it via google nor the wiki
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21:16:03  <Nite_Owl> They look correct to me Rubidium
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21:33:13  <Chruker> I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the vehicles have a reliability when they are introduced. It then increases to a certain maximum, and finally drops down again before they are obsolete.
21:34:50  <Rubidium> that sounds about right
21:36:35  <petern> yes, it is actually random
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21:48:14  <Eddi|zuHause> the grf can roughly define which engines are more reliable and which ones are less. and the length of the high reliability period
21:49:18  <Chruker> Do you happen to have the grf doc at your fingertips?
21:50:34  <Chruker> nvm
21:51:11  <Eddi|zuHause> the DBSet readme says something about this stuff
21:51:24  <Eddi|zuHause> and there's the grf specs
21:51:32  <welshdragon> Prof_Frink: you just lost the game :D
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21:54:40  <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: I am not Sacro.
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21:54:54  <welshdragon> :(
21:55:02  <welshdragon> you did play the game
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22:13:39  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16772 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 4 dirs): -Fix [FS#3019]: don't use the same error message for turning around road vehicles and flipping parts of trains in the depot
22:14:22  <Eddi|zuHause> :o
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23:23:46  <SirSquidness> So,  what did you think of <local sporting event> last night? I really thought <away team> were too good for <home team>, but it was still a good match.
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23:32:21  <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho
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23:34:35  <Sacro> I think i just found a bug...
23:34:36  <Sacro> not sure
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23:34:58  <Gleeb_> Sacro: Oh?
23:35:49  <Sacro> hmm, that or i might have left clone clicked
23:37:31  <Gleeb_> haha
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