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00:00:20 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, i'm still in rock music. not evolving, i guess 00:00:31 <Belugas> ho.. false.. i'm on tv watching too... 00:01:20 <dragonhorseboy> heh 00:06:47 <dragonhorseboy> I do wish some long-ended tv series actually bothered coming out on dvd season discs. some companies seem a bit stubborn about it so at the moment both I have to keep my various stack of recorded tapes and use the occassional torrents altogether 00:07:12 <dragonhorseboy> especially Rescue 911 as well 00:08:14 <dragonhorseboy> -_- 00:10:01 <dragonhorseboy> anyway guess I'm off 00:10:07 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 00:12:45 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-25-100.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:13:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.122.141] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:31:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE106.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 00:53:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-223-212.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:29 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177236144.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:04:52 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177235080.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:55 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:59 *** bp0 [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has joined #openttd 01:23:03 <bp0> hello 01:23:36 <bp0> its been a year or so since i played openttd, but i remember there was an option for loading trains that would fill up one trainbefore loading another instead of loading both half way 01:23:44 <bp0> where is that option? 01:23:48 <bp0> what is it called 01:31:47 <FauxFaux> Thingie.. 01:31:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051146003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:32:30 *** NeO_Anderson [~Founder@194.50.80.117] has quit [Quit: Dispatch, I got a 10-67. 10-23, over.] 01:32:33 <Sacro> FIFO loading 01:37:04 <bp0> is it in advanced settings? 01:37:06 <bp0> what section 01:44:19 <bp0> i don't see it 01:54:03 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 01:54:44 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:57:13 *** bp0 [~opera@watertownDHCP-94.216-254-228.iw.net] has left #openttd [] 02:07:46 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-25-100.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-69-0-3.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 02:57:40 *** trenskow [~trenskow@79.138.252.35.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 02:58:13 *** trenskow is now known as Trenskow 02:59:26 <Trenskow> which gui is recomended for development under mac os x? 02:59:47 <Trenskow> i know previously xcode projects files were included, but it doesn't seem to be anymore 03:00:05 <Trenskow> emacs? :) 03:05:58 <Sacro> vim 03:08:57 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:14:51 <Trenskow> is bjarni still with the openttd project ? 03:16:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:02 *** udev [~udev@p508EBFEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:38:55 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:43:20 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 03:48:33 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:52:12 *** Trenner [~trenskow@79.138.252.35.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 03:52:12 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@79.138.252.35.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:16 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@x1-6-00-1e-52-6c-fd-ac.k344.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 04:23:40 *** Trenner [~trenskow@79.138.252.35.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:49 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:52 <Trenskow> is there a way to alter the language files, without recompiling everything ? 04:43:13 <Trenskow> i mean, if i know which files they the changes are specefic to ? 05:07:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81B68.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8406A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:09:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:20:05 *** udev [~udev@p508EBFEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 05:27:43 <Trenskow> allright, i've already givin' up 05:28:56 <Trenskow> a cpl of years back I made a network filter, but unfortunately when it was accepted into the trunk, the patch was outdated 05:29:18 <Trenskow> but now the codebase has changed dramaticly, so I won't even begin to start over 05:29:27 <Trenskow> I can see a lot have changed since 0.4.1 :) 05:30:20 <Trenskow> c++ for a starter 05:30:28 <planetmaker> Trenskow: I use xcode ... 05:30:29 <planetmaker> and there's nothing wrong with it, is it? 05:30:42 <Trenskow> planetmaker: wrong ? 05:30:56 <planetmaker> yes, there are no project files, though, but it didn't hurt me so far. 05:31:11 <Trenskow> planetmaker: cool 05:32:24 <Trenskow> i'm no good at c++ really, so i better not get started 06:04:10 <dihedral> if everybody would think that way, openttd would not be where it is today 06:14:38 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:32:41 <planetmaker> Trenskow: indeed... if "don't know now" is an indicator to not even give a try, humanity would still live on trees. 06:33:10 <planetmaker> Half a year after I started to look at OpenTTD code I hacked together wwottdgd/2. 06:33:16 <planetmaker> Yes, it showed. But so what? 06:33:32 <planetmaker> As long as you enjoy it and don't expect your patches to hit trunk straigth away... 06:33:40 <Trenskow> planetmaker: ok... 06:34:15 <Trenskow> planetmaker: it's 8:30 am here, and I haven't been to bed, so that was kind of the motivation in not get started 06:34:27 <Trenskow> getting 06:34:28 <planetmaker> yes, it's 8:30am here, tooo :) 06:34:39 <Trenskow> planetmaker: been to bed ? 06:34:50 <planetmaker> sufficiently long, yes 06:35:12 <Trenskow> planetmaker: where do you live, since we're in the same timezone ? 06:35:27 <planetmaker> In the heart of Europe 06:35:44 <Trenskow> germany ? 06:35:51 <planetmaker> ^ 06:36:12 <Trenskow> denmark ? 06:36:23 <planetmaker> your first guess was right 06:36:28 <Trenskow> ahh 06:36:46 <Trenskow> thought you ment ^ as in up... 06:36:54 <Trenskow> well 06:36:56 <Trenskow> denmark here 06:36:56 <planetmaker> :) yes. The line up :P 06:37:01 <planetmaker> :) 06:37:16 <planetmaker> Danmark has a history of OpenTTD mac developers :P 06:37:24 <Trenskow> i know 06:37:32 <planetmaker> :) 06:37:36 <Trenskow> i collaberated with bjarni last time i did work 06:37:50 <planetmaker> ah :) 06:37:56 <Trenskow> is he still here 06:38:04 <planetmaker> sometimes 06:38:21 <planetmaker> but unfortunately he doesn't work a lot on OpenTTD anymore 06:38:51 <Trenskow> then who does os x maintenance now a days ? 06:39:32 <planetmaker> _that_ is a sad topic... :S 06:39:50 <Trenskow> none ? 06:40:03 <planetmaker> yes. 06:40:21 <Trenskow> damn 06:40:32 <Trenskow> had trouble compiling the source just now 06:40:54 <Trenskow> i'm running snow leopard, and it ships with gcc4.2 as default 06:41:06 <Trenskow> and the quickdraw driver just went %"EUR%"# 06:41:08 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2484 and especially http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782 :( 06:41:20 <planetmaker> you're running _snow_leopard? 06:41:35 <Trenskow> yea 06:41:38 <planetmaker> nice! 06:41:40 <Trenskow> now authorized though 06:41:49 <Trenskow> so i have no access to developer documentation 06:41:57 <planetmaker> now=not? 06:42:04 <Trenskow> yea 06:42:29 <planetmaker> maybe post your error on paste.openttd.org. Maybe I have an idea 06:42:51 <Trenskow> planetmaker: no quickdraw did compile 06:43:04 <Trenskow> but it was just with a gazillion warnings about it being deprecated 06:43:13 <planetmaker> oh... 06:43:24 <planetmaker> I feared that will happen 06:43:27 <Trenskow> one could imagine the headers to be totally gone in the final release 06:43:32 <planetmaker> I'm interested nevertheless 06:43:40 <Trenskow> 2 sek 06:43:47 <planetmaker> Trenskow: what I read not completely - hopefully. 06:43:48 <Trenskow> need to recompile 06:44:08 <Trenskow> well i thought it was gone by snow leopard 06:44:15 <Trenskow> it have been deprecated since 10.4 ? 06:44:22 <planetmaker> hehe. 06:44:31 <planetmaker> That's what I run here, still 06:44:41 <Trenskow> ahh 06:44:50 <Trenskow> was in front of 10.4 the other day 06:44:58 <planetmaker> depends what. There's, of course API changes going on, but... 06:44:58 <Trenskow> i kind of miss the spotlight search dialog 06:45:10 <planetmaker> not in snow leopard anymore? 06:45:18 <Trenskow> not even leopard 06:45:25 <planetmaker> oh :( 06:45:28 <Trenskow> just a standard messy finder window 06:45:40 <Trenskow> in tiger it was nicely organized in music, documents, contacts etc. 06:46:14 <planetmaker> right. That it is. 06:46:42 <Trenskow> it's still organized in the menu though 06:46:53 <Trenskow> but not when you click "Show All" 06:47:25 <Trenskow> and sadly it's the same in snow leopard 06:48:29 <planetmaker> well. Unlikely that they then change it back... 06:48:51 <planetmaker> I guess in autumn I get myself a new HD for this macbook and give snow leopard a try :) 06:49:22 <Trenskow> planetmaker: you're on intel though :) 06:49:32 <planetmaker> sure :) 06:49:44 <planetmaker> you say you run it on non-intel? 06:49:51 <planetmaker> I thought it's not supported at all? 06:49:52 <Trenskow> no 06:50:16 <Trenskow> it's intel only 06:51:30 <Trenskow> it'll be some before those warnings are done 06:51:42 <Trenskow> just removed some dependencies i need to rebuild 06:51:52 <Trenskow> but thankfully macports makes it a bliss :) 06:52:28 <planetmaker> he. 06:52:36 <planetmaker> :) 06:52:48 <Trenskow> macports is not 100% compatible with snow leopard 06:53:09 <planetmaker> in what way? 06:53:10 <Trenskow> so once in a while when i can't do it to do anything, it gets a sudo rm -r /opt :) 06:53:22 <Trenskow> lot of packages errors on build 06:53:34 <Trenskow> mainly due to gcc4.2 i guess 06:53:37 <planetmaker> that's bad 06:54:02 <planetmaker> though I recently got here on 10.4 the error that the available gtk package is too new and thus cannot be build 06:54:17 <Trenskow> hehe 06:54:21 <planetmaker> so it will probably become better wrt building on snow leopard once it's officially out 06:54:56 <planetmaker> and thus the dream of building xchat died here... 06:54:56 <Trenskow> i read somewhere that they won't do official ports until snow leopards in final 06:55:16 <Trenskow> they say apple has a habbit of changing api's right up till the last minute 06:55:23 <Trenskow> so they don't wanna do any double work 06:55:26 <planetmaker> Trenskow: quite understandably 06:55:29 <Trenskow> planetmaker: he 06:55:53 <Trenskow> i've just tried this linkinus 06:55:59 <Trenskow> kind of nice irc client 06:56:09 <Trenskow> but it's 19.99, so i don't know when the trials is over 06:56:27 <Trenskow> .99 06:56:30 <TinoDidriksen> GCC 4.2 should not be the problem. GCC 4.4 is out, and GCC 4.5 is in alpha stages, so people have had plenty of time to test against more recent versions of GCC. 06:56:46 <planetmaker> gcc 4.5 works here 06:56:56 <Trenskow> openttd trunk choked on 4.2 06:57:02 <Trenskow> at least on snow leopard 06:57:04 <planetmaker> oh? 06:57:21 <Trenskow> yea... had to revert to 4.0 to get it compiling 06:57:51 <planetmaker> hard to imagine... 06:58:34 <planetmaker> is it just some cflags which need commenting out? 06:58:44 <planetmaker> that's what I need to do with 4.5 06:58:53 <Trenskow> probably 06:59:01 <planetmaker> it should tell you ;) 06:59:13 <Trenskow> can recall the error 06:59:21 <planetmaker> so, yes, I have a slightly modified config.lib for that. 06:59:22 <Trenskow> some 64-bit type 06:59:31 <Trenskow> can't recall even 06:59:40 <planetmaker> hm... that will be difficult to re-play here :) 06:59:51 <Trenskow> planetmaker: :) 07:01:18 <planetmaker> I have to leave soon. But if you paste me the make logs, I'm happy to look at it later. 07:01:41 <Trenskow> planetmaker: 07:01:42 <Trenskow> http://paste.openttd.org/183715 07:02:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:02:56 <planetmaker> he :) 07:03:22 <planetmaker> quarz getting more and more deprecated, I guess 07:04:16 <Trenskow> yea, looks strange 07:04:37 <Trenskow> maybe when snow leopard is out we can get some clarification 07:04:41 <planetmaker> well, but it's "only" warnings. So it's still alright 07:05:02 <Trenskow> planetmaker: yea it compiles and runs fine 07:05:08 <Trenskow> but it's not pretty 07:05:09 <planetmaker> :) 07:05:15 <planetmaker> yes, it isn't. 07:05:32 <planetmaker> Anyway. I have to leave now. So I guess, have a good nap :) 07:05:41 <Trenskow> planetmaker: thks 07:05:48 <Trenskow> planetmaker: take care 07:05:55 <planetmaker> see you around :) 07:06:05 <Trenskow> plausible 07:08:31 <dihedral> snow leopard will not 'clarify' anything for openttd :-P 07:09:15 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 07:10:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D881.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:50 <planetmaker> ? 07:25:09 <dihedral> will only make it more complicated :-P 07:25:26 <planetmaker> as any new version does for everyone. 07:25:31 <planetmaker> in any case :) 07:25:45 <planetmaker> as long as you support multiple versions 07:25:59 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe3ea.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:26:02 <dihedral> and i guess the api will change ^^ 07:27:43 <planetmaker> of course. 07:27:53 <planetmaker> it's not like they don't say that the api changes 07:28:15 <planetmaker> it's hard to not change it actually with major releases, I guess. 07:28:28 <planetmaker> Or how else do you want to improve an OS, if you don't change anything? 07:30:34 <dihedral> no that is not what i mean ^^ 07:30:50 <dihedral> what i mean is that the 10.5 sdk injects stuff into 10.3 ^^ 07:31:38 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm11.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 07:31:53 <planetmaker> ah, ok 07:33:11 <dihedral> native aqua would rock though :-P 07:35:54 <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/2585/getfile/3955/photo.jpg <-- hm... why is this attached file not there anymore? 07:36:09 <planetmaker> dihedral: oh yes!! 07:36:59 <dihedral> hehe - perhaps that IS the attached file :-P 07:37:39 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 08:09:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: uhm... because the URL is incorrect? 08:09:19 <Rubidium> planetmaker: try for example http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2585/getfile/3955/photo.jpg 08:11:14 <Rubidium> and for what it's worth, OpenTTD's compile farm using Apple's GCC 4.2 with SDK 3.1.2 10.4u for all non-64 bits and 10.5 for 64 bits, although no 64 bits is compiled 08:13:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd724.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:23:00 <dihedral> oh that image - i remember that thing ^^ 08:25:08 <Rubidium> but I guess that Trenskow is using some unofficial SDK and such, so 'we' mere mortals don't have access to it 08:26:13 <TinoDidriksen> Likely a torrent of the 10.6 dev release. 08:50:08 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:01:33 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-69-0-3.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 09:29:22 *** Exl [~myself@84.28.86.158] has joined #openttd 09:31:13 <Hirundo> I'm having my doubts w.r.t. the recent OT_GOTO_WAYPOINT stuff for ships... 09:34:22 <Hirundo> I think it breaks some other code, e.g. RemoveOrderFromAllVehicles, vehiclelist.cpp, the AIWaypointList 09:36:01 <planetmaker> frosch123: concerning FS #119 / #3029: I don't understand your comment; in the attached screenshots non of the two tiles involved is on a slope... 09:36:19 <frosch123> the road junction is 09:37:11 <planetmaker> hm... I guess you're right :) Thanks 09:37:26 <planetmaker> Missed that 09:38:30 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@x1-6-00-1e-52-6c-fd-ac.k344.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:47:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:04 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:25 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:03:44 *** LadyHawk [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:06:23 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:48 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:19:33 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd724.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:06 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.2.86.46] has joined #openttd 10:52:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:02 *** LadyHawk [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle?] 10:54:08 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 11:00:08 *** LadyHawk [~here@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:03:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.171.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:18 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 11:35:40 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08a86.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:01 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@x1-6-00-1e-52-6c-fd-ac.k344.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 12:02:01 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@x1-6-00-1e-52-6c-fd-ac.k344.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: Trenskow] 12:06:14 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:08:10 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ANice-157-1-123-210.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:14:51 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@120.222.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:33:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-193.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:05:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd724.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:27 <TrueBrain> lalala 13:07:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.243] has joined #openttd 13:08:18 <Alberth> Just the person I wanted to speak to :D 13:08:28 <TrueBrain> yes HerzogDeXtEr, about time you got here 13:08:34 <Alberth> What happened to the 0.7.1 screenshot at the front-page? 13:08:55 <Alberth> TrueBrain: ^ 13:08:59 <TrueBrain> owh, me? :) 13:09:01 <TrueBrain> what about it? 13:09:56 <Alberth> I cannot see it in 'real' size. Clicking on it leads to some old 0.6 stuff :( 13:10:06 <TrueBrain> awwwhhh 13:10:17 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I found a person who wants to do the screenshots. Alberth! 13:10:25 <TrueBrain> do you give him the instructions? :) 13:10:52 <TrueBrain> (the fun thing is .. the shot is there for N months now, and only the last 2 weeks people notice it is a big fake ... suprising :)) 13:11:24 <TrueBrain> a few thumb screenshots of 0.6 need to be AA'd :p 13:11:24 <Alberth> relabeling it as 0.7.1 is dangerous :) 13:11:48 <TrueBrain> Alberth: there is nothing in that shot that suggests something else :p 13:12:09 <TrueBrain> it is just an attention grabber 13:12:17 <Alberth> the label at the bottom of the pic at the front-page does 13:12:33 <TrueBrain> Alberth: no, nothing on that image suggests it is not from 0.7.1 13:12:44 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:54 <TrueBrain> Alberth: either way, we need someone to collect and produce nice screenshots 13:13:01 <TrueBrain> Darkvater always did that; most images are fake btw 13:13:07 <Alberth> the web-page after it has no 0.7.1 section 13:13:20 <TrueBrain> so if you like, you can collect screenshots and put them online 13:14:20 <Alberth> ok, I'll have a look 13:14:43 <TrueBrain> the main part that is forgotten in 0.6 is AA the thumb images 13:14:52 <TrueBrain> you can see the one in the bottom left being very clear 13:14:56 <TrueBrain> and most of the others being very pixel-like 13:14:58 * Sacro misses DarkVater :( 13:14:59 *** jaachanor [~joachim@244.81-166-176.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:39 <Alberth> AA ? 13:15:43 <TrueBrain> antialized 13:15:48 <Alberth> ah 13:17:40 <TrueBrain> Alberth: via your normal SSH login, you should be able to alter the directory '/var/www/media.openttd.org/htdocs/images/screens' 13:17:44 <TrueBrain> see the README! there for more info 13:17:46 <TrueBrain> Sacro: I miss him too 13:18:39 <TrueBrain> found this 'artifect': http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/gamestar.jpg 13:19:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:00 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:22:22 <TrueBrain> euh: http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/InTheNews/gamestar.jpg 13:22:35 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ANice-157-1-123-210.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:50 <Chruker> I havent played with trams, but do the also get destroyed by trains and ufo's like the other road vehicles? 13:24:21 <frosch123> 0.3.4 fixed many problems with 64 bit systems :o 13:24:42 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:25:51 <frosch123> Chruker: both yes 13:26:08 <TrueBrain> Alberth: if you ever have permission problems, let me know :) 13:26:13 <Chruker> thanks 13:26:58 <Alberth> any requirements on the shots? 13:27:37 <TrueBrain> Alberth: make the game look good, I say ;) 13:27:54 <TrueBrain> that a first look gives a nice impression of what hte game has to offer 13:28:23 <Alberth> I am probably not the right person to ask :p 13:28:25 <TrueBrain> remember the 5 minute cache screenshot section has, this might be annoying :) 13:28:36 <TrueBrain> Alberth: that is what all developers say ... 13:28:48 <TrueBrain> might be why 0.6 is the last 'version' in that section 13:31:04 <TrueBrain> Alberth: and if you need screenshots, our 'info' account has plenty of them .. if you like, Rubidium can give you the login details ;) 13:31:21 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:21 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:31:37 *** mizipzor [~mizipzor@83-177-73-165.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 13:31:46 <Alberth> I was thinking of asking that in the Screenshots forum 13:31:56 <TrueBrain> we get plenty of emails about those :p 13:32:03 <TrueBrain> Darkvater always said it took him an hour to make 1 screenshot pretty 13:32:16 <TrueBrain> but as I said before, he was known to ... 'mix' up a few screenshots to make them pretty ;) 13:32:31 <Alberth> that takes lots of time yeah 13:32:52 <TrueBrain> but I guess at this stage any update is welcome ;) 13:33:14 <TrueBrain> just see what you can do with it :) 13:34:13 <mizipzor> whats the dev channel for openttd? 13:34:16 <Alberth> "ls: cannot open directory /home/info/mail: Permission denied" not much at this time :) 13:34:24 <TrueBrain> mizipzor: welcome to it, I say 13:34:26 <Alberth> mizipzor: you are on it 13:34:35 <TrueBrain> Alberth: as I said: Rubidium can give you the login 13:34:40 <TrueBrain> I never said you could access it directly ;) 13:34:40 <Alberth> yes 13:34:41 <mizipzor> oh i thought this was more of a general channel :p 13:34:59 <Alberth> everything on and off topic gets discussed here 13:36:35 <Rubidium> new screenshots? woah :) 13:37:29 <Alberth> widget offsets get a bit tiresome :) 13:39:55 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ANice-157-1-123-210.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:43:16 <mizipzor> im looking to do some coding on openttd, but having limited experince with the codebase (just got one bugfix in the trunk so far) im trying to find a sort of isolated problem that doesnt require much refactoring/redesigning... anyone got any tips? 13:46:35 <Yexo> it really depends on what part of the code you want to learn more about 13:46:42 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47:34 <Yexo> do you want to learn more about the gui code, about newgrf code, etc.? 13:48:09 <Rubidium> fs#1495, fs#1944? 13:52:24 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/newgrf_bugs.txt <- fixing one of these should be relatively easy 13:53:12 <mizipzor> yea, the last one i fixed was an endless loop in the newgrf 13:55:11 <mizipzor> Rubidium: 1494 seems simple enough and 1495 seems very interesting since it seems to have to do with some pathing, which I would like to get more into 13:55:36 <mizipzor> Yexo: why isnt that txt file on flyspray? are those special-treatment bugs? :p 13:56:05 <Yexo> no, I still need to put them on fs 13:56:20 <Yexo> I found those while doing other work, and noted them down there 13:56:33 <Yexo> I should do some more work investigating the exact problems of them 13:57:14 <Yexo> <mizipzor> Rubidium: 1494 seems simple enough <- assuming you mean 1944, let me warn you it's not easy 13:58:30 <mizipzor> Yexo: yes, i just realised i got the numbers wrong :p although easy may not be the right word... i have confidence in my coding skills but im not that familiar with the openttd code... the ideal problem would be something of a challenge but that still eased me into the codebase 13:59:08 <Yexo> in that case just go for it 13:59:43 <mizipzor> or maybe i can help you investigate those bugs you linked to in a txt and post them on flyspray (assuming i find the cause)? 14:00:06 <Yexo> feel free, I'm busy with other things currently 14:04:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.164.60] has joined #openttd 14:06:31 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 14:07:09 <Ammler> is http://openttd.dihedral.de down since longer, or just temporary? 14:07:39 <dihedral> not 'since longer' but 'for longer' :-P 14:08:10 <Ammler> won't you continue that website? 14:08:35 <dihedral> for one thing it was dead for a long time, for another thing - who cares? 14:09:01 <dihedral> might start it again if a feel like it - or have another idea :-P 14:09:22 <Ammler> it was the home of wwottdgd ;-) 14:09:34 <petern> dihedral, not 'for longer' but 'for long' :-P 14:09:41 <dihedral> wwottdgd website was on your server Ammler 14:09:59 <Ammler> yeah, also a part is there, indeed :-D 14:10:00 <dihedral> petern, it will be down "for longer" 14:10:15 <petern> wrong 14:10:20 <petern> "is it down for longer" 14:10:36 <petern> longer... than what? 14:10:39 <petern> "is it down for long" 14:10:41 <petern> yes 14:10:53 <dihedral> Ammler, then you should have copied the theme correctly ^^ 14:11:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.171.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:24 <Ammler> ah, np, that is. 14:11:30 <dihedral> tell me what it is you need, i'll send the files to you 14:11:45 <Ammler> just some links like blog and server stats went to your domain. 14:12:03 <dihedral> not my responsibility ^^ 14:12:38 <Ammler> yeah, I was just wondering, if we should remove those links, so it might be better to remove them. 14:12:56 <mizipzor> Yexo: i read about action 3 (http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action3) but where is the "number of sprite layouts" defined? can i just modify some of the graphics file used in the game to trigger this bug or must i build a custom one? 14:14:18 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 14:14:19 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [] 14:15:31 <Yexo> I think it was n-id, but I'm not sure anymore 14:15:38 <Yexo> hence the need for more investigation 14:17:01 <Yexo> the crash is around station_cmd.cpp:2216 14:18:31 <Yexo> hmm, no, it was rail_cmd.cpp:1957 14:18:41 <Yexo> I think the code should be changed to look like station_cmd.cpp:2216 14:19:04 <Yexo> but even then it'll crash when statspec->tiles == 0 14:19:24 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 14:20:59 <Yexo> and I think creating a small newgrf is easier then modifying an existing one 14:21:43 <Ammler> if you need graphics, use opengfx :-) 14:22:44 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@0x535fd846.arcnxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:25:36 <frosch123> mizipzor: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Stations#Sprite_layout_09_ 14:26:06 <mizipzor> frosch123: thats the sprite layout :) thx 14:27:04 <frosch123> if using undefined layouts results in an acceptable non-crashing behaviour, just reduce the number of spritelayouts to the next equal-or-smaller even number 14:28:51 <mizipzor> if it reduces to even numbers, are uneven numbers meant to be supported? seems that it was that the ticket was about... or is it that it crashes when trying to reduce it? 14:29:32 <frosch123> stationlayouts always appear in pairs for the two possible orientations 14:30:07 <frosch123> if one layout is only available for one orientation, just remove it completely, or even disable the whole grf :p 14:31:38 <Yexo> <frosch123> stationlayouts always appear in pairs for the two possible orientations <- but there is no check for that. mizipzor <- that's the problem 14:32:03 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:03 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@120.222.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:32:08 <yorick> I have coded 2 planes 14:32:24 <yorick> both with prop 0B set to 42 14:32:31 <yorick> one costs 5 times as much as the other one :( 14:32:52 <yorick> how come? 14:32:59 <mizipzor> Yexo: i see 14:35:46 <frosch123> yorick: my cristal ball presents you with a great future 14:35:59 <Alberth> yorick: more pixels must be moved at the screen 14:36:42 <yorick> it might be callback 36? 14:37:17 <frosch123> you should know which callbacks you are using :) 14:37:43 <yorick> could it be that it disregards the failed callback value and uses it as a different cost factor? 14:38:20 <frosch123> callback failed means to use the property 14:38:34 <yorick> and callback failed would be FF FF? 14:39:36 <petern> no 14:39:44 <yorick> aha, so that's why :) 14:39:46 <petern> you don't "return" callback failed 14:40:41 <petern> FF FF gives you a return value of 255 14:41:00 <yorick> wouldn't that be FF 80? 14:41:23 <Yexo> For compatibility with earlier patch versions, FF in the high byte is taken to mean the same thing as 80, so 04 FF also has a callback result of 4. Note that if your grf file needs to be compatible with versions before 2.0.1 alpha 40, you must set the high byte to FF, and so can use only 8 bit results. <- from the ttdpatch wiki page 14:42:00 <yorick> ok :) 14:42:02 * yorick hides 14:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's a 15-epsilon bit callback? 14:47:48 <frosch123> there is a way to return the full 15 bits :) 14:47:55 *** Administrator [~chatzilla@edi66.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:47:58 *** Administrator is now known as matowy 14:48:21 <mizipzor> frosch123: in what file is the actions we talked about earlier specified? 14:48:32 <frosch123> newgrf.cpp 14:48:57 <frosch123> StationChangeInfo 14:49:49 <matowy> hi, i am trying to singup on openttd.org and i have Unhandled Exception message 14:50:04 <dihedral> is it possible to make a grf which would only be usable in a network game on a modified server? 14:50:08 <frosch123> TrueBrain: ^^ 14:50:39 <frosch123> dihedral: like: without modified client? 14:50:50 <mizipzor> frosch123: yea but i meant that bug Yexo was talking about, arent those values read from a file? this is the system that lets user create their own buildings/stations/trains and stuff, right? 14:51:22 <frosch123> mizipzor: we are talking about stationlayouts? 14:51:30 <TrueBrain> matowy: your account is created nevertheless 14:51:39 <Yexo> mizipzor: newgrf.cpp is the OpenTTD code that supports reading from newgrf files 14:53:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r16792 /extra/website/templates/signupDone.html: [Website] -Fix: missing load caused error on signup-done page (bug by matowy) 14:53:32 <frosch123> :o 14:54:10 <mizipzor> Yexo: yes and its when you put an uneven number that had to do with station orientation in one of those files that the game crashed? 14:54:23 <Yexo> yes 14:54:31 <mizipzor> i take such files are not in the trunk but must be downloaded elsewhere 14:54:44 <Yexo> I think you'll have to craete one yourself 14:54:59 <frosch123> or just code it without testing :p 14:55:42 <mizipzor> frosch123: valid point but bad practice ;) 14:57:00 <frosch123> well, then take an existing stationgrf and delete one layout 14:57:16 <frosch123> but that may take you longer than fixing the actual bug :) 14:57:39 <mizipzor> i was referring to coding without testing, not creating one myself :) 14:58:16 <mizipzor> currently looking through some of the documentation on the wiki... first step is to figure out how to make them 14:58:49 <frosch123> take a small station grf of your choice, and look at it via grf2html :) 14:59:32 <Yexo> I think I still have a very simple newgrf that caused the crash 15:00:17 <mizipzor> bad link on http://wiki.openttd.org/GFXDev:Main_Page the link at the bottom to tt-forums 15:01:10 <Yexo> mizipzor: then fix it, it's a wiki :) 15:02:13 <yorick> AMS_TTDP_FLIGHT_FINAL isn't ever used? :( 15:02:31 <mizipzor> yes, but is a simple remove considered a fix? or should i decide on something better to link to? 15:02:55 <frosch123> just link to the internal article about opengfx :p 15:02:58 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@0x535fd846.arcnxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03:23 <Yexo> mizipzor: the newgrf contains a bug, so it's not openttd's fault 15:03:33 <Yexo> the only thing that should be done is making sure openttd does not crash 15:04:04 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/airports01.grf <- small newgrf that reproduces the crash, s/grf/nfo/ for the source 15:04:18 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@0x535fd846.arcnxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:04:20 <mizipzor> Yexo: i agree... good that you said that, so i know im not that far off :p 15:07:13 <Yexo> frosch123: looks like it 15:07:22 <Yexo> sorry, that was ment for yorick :p 15:07:58 <frosch123> weird keyboard you have :) 15:07:58 <yorick> meh 15:08:10 <dihedral> frosch123, y[tab] = frosch123 15:08:46 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@0x535fd846.arcnxx19.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 15:09:19 *** matowy [~chatzilla@edi66.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5/20090624025744]] 15:13:39 <mizipzor> Yexo: i was able to build an airport with that grf file... but on the other hand it seems to have an even number (4) of layouts 15:16:36 <Yexo> mizipzor: you should try to build a train station tile (not the default one) 15:16:57 <Yexo> opening the second station class (blank name) in the build rail station window will cause a crash 15:19:43 <mizipzor> Yexo: there it is! the little crasher 15:19:57 <mizipzor> but this error should be handled during loading, not drawing of the sprite, correct? 15:20:27 <Yexo> both is possible, but during loading is easier 15:21:01 <mizipzor> and if its rejected during load, the drawing wont be a problem 15:21:26 <Yexo> but I'm not sure on all possibilities, it might be that there are valid reasons for having an odd number > 8 15:21:39 <frosch123> "during loading" is even better :) 15:26:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76395.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:49 <Alberth> TrueBrain: no new pics :( maybe a ownership problem? 15:33:24 <TrueBrain> no _caption.nfo 15:33:28 <TrueBrain> sorry, the readme suggests it is optional 15:33:30 <TrueBrain> it is not :) 15:33:36 <Alberth> ok :) 15:34:05 <TrueBrain> fixed the readme ;) 15:34:15 <Alberth> I added a AA remark too 15:34:26 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest820 15:34:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:31 <TrueBrain> good :) 15:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> something is awfully wrong... each time i reboot, it sets my clock -1h 15:36:57 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I need to run ntp-client at boot, because after boot my time is random 15:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> not random... exactly -1h 15:37:25 <TrueBrain> I meant to say: don't complain, just run ntp-client at boot :p 15:37:45 <Yexo> TrueBrain / Alberth: there is a spelling error the latest screenshot section: "On of our first..." s/On/One/ 15:37:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i do use ntp, but it takes some time 15:37:48 <frosch123> incremental? or just always one hour before the time you indent? 15:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: not incremental, as far as i can tell 15:38:20 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: not ntpd, ntp-client 15:38:33 <frosch123> so you fix the time and it is not stored in the hw clock? 15:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but i once set up to use local time as system time 15:38:42 <TrueBrain> Yexo: fixed, takes a while before it is visible 15:39:12 <Eddi|zuHause> how do i check the hw clock? 15:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> except in the bios? 15:39:36 *** Guest820 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:50 <frosch123> hwclock 15:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it says something like "storing hw clock" on shutdown 15:40:02 <frosch123> only available to root for me 15:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> # hwclock 15:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Sat Jul 11 16:39:55 2009 -0.210236 seconds 15:40:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that appears to be 1h off 15:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i ran "hwclock --systohc" now... now wait (average) two weeks for my next reboot ;) 15:47:16 <petern> Sat 11 Jul 2009 16:46:45 BST -0.665271 seconds 15:47:21 <petern> different format, eh? 15:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know where it takes the format from 15:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> root is not set to german, afaik 15:51:33 <TrueBrain> Alberth: thumbs(besides one) looks odd) 15:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> LC_TIME="POSIX" 15:52:20 <TrueBrain> the rest I say: nice job ;) 15:52:22 <Alberth> it was done with 'Cubic' interpolation in gimp. 15:52:30 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/en/screenshots 15:52:33 <TrueBrain> middle bottom looks perfect 15:52:35 <TrueBrain> the others ... not so much 15:52:41 <TrueBrain> middle top looks ugly 15:53:23 <Alberth> They use a different scale, maybe that is the problem. 15:53:29 <yorick> the water looks nice on the first one 15:53:42 <Eddi|zuHause> > date 15:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Sa 11. Jul 17:53:04 CEST 2009 15:56:09 <Alberth> not bad for a first attempt 16:01:01 <TrueBrain> :) 16:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i need to supply a screenshot once again... 16:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> to make up for the uglyness of the other people's networks... 16:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is... which one... 16:18:08 <Alberth> we should have a competition :p 16:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Elsmuenster%20Transport,%2023rd%20Mar%201942.png <- that one close enough to a 0.7 screenshot? showing path signals and go-via orders 16:26:10 <Alberth> All the station-signs make it a bit ugly imho, maybe by making theie background transparent? (need to make dinner first, will be back in an 1-1.5 hour or so) 16:27:32 <Eddi|zuHause> transparent background makes them basically unreadable 16:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Elsmuenster%20Transport,%2023rd%20Mar%201942-2.png <- compare 16:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and without station signs you don't see what the go-via orders are about, as everything looks like a big station 17:00:50 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: some more vehicles would be nice 17:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> let's see what i can do about that... 17:08:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Elsmuenster%20Transport,%206th%20Apr%201942.png <- like this? 17:30:22 <Alberth> what if you switch to a company colour that gives more contrast? 17:35:46 *** Splex [~splex@c-24-245-55-70.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Elsmuenster%20Transport,%206th%20Apr%201942-2.png <- that's the best i could get 17:36:48 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm11.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but... non-blue just doesn't have the right feeling... 17:40:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and why is "light blue" darker than "blue"? 17:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember that much brighter in TTO 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16793 /trunk/src/lang/ (portuguese.txt russian.txt spanish.txt): 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 102 changes by SupSuper 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: spanish - 11 changes by Terkhen 17:48:05 <Ammler> Orange is best color :-) 17:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not ;) 17:51:06 *** Exl [~myself@84.28.86.158] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:38 <Rubidium> the best colour is the best colour 17:51:40 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEe3ea.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:39 <Alberth> TrueBrain: better so? 18:07:08 <TrueBrain> PRETTY!!! 18:07:11 <TrueBrain> can you do the 0.6 too? :) 18:07:41 <TrueBrain> http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/0.7/Screenshot_gerwin_harmsen_07_20090606.png <- too bad that mouse cursor is there :( 18:08:02 <Alberth> sure, now I know what the trick is :) 18:08:26 <TrueBrain> looks very nice :) 18:08:50 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@94.191.234.111.bredband.3.dk] has joined #openttd 18:17:15 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=44283 for all those new screen shots :) 18:25:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and i just sent mine per e-mail... 18:25:25 <TrueBrain> poor Eddi|zuHause 18:25:28 <TrueBrain> you now want a cookie? 18:25:33 <TrueBrain> http://www.amazon.com 18:25:35 <TrueBrain> go fetch one 18:25:44 <Rubidium> those taste bad! 18:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 18:26:20 <Eddi|zuHause> reminds me of this matrix parody... 18:26:36 <Eddi|zuHause> The Oracle: I hope you have cookies enabled. 18:27:45 <Rubidium> if TB would've been the Oracle he would've known you don't like the cookies he gives you and wouldn't have asked it 18:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Mr Paperclip: It looks like you're trying to bend a spoon with your mind. Can i help you with that? 18:28:23 <Rubidium> NOOOO I AM NOOOT 18:28:38 *** Trenskow [~trenskow@94.191.234.111.bredband.3.dk] has quit [Quit: Trenskow] 18:28:40 <Rubidium> *strangle* *slap* *strangle* 18:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that ;) 18:29:47 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM <- that's the one i believe 18:30:08 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 18:40:14 <Ammler> Alberth: what does make those screens special for version 0.7? 18:40:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like zoomed-out screenshots 18:41:45 <Alberth> They are made with that version? (if you are a new user, and you find screen shots of 3 versions before, does that impress you?) 18:42:00 <Alberth> TrueBrain: sleep 300 18:42:15 <Ammler> there are much nicer screen in the tt-forums thread. 18:42:31 <Ammler> s-> 18:42:32 <TrueBrain> do I need to go idle for 5 minutes? :( 18:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: well, it's better to show screenshots that actually show new features 18:43:18 <Eddi|zuHause> things that were not possible to do before 18:43:25 <Alberth> agreed 18:43:34 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: no, up-to-date screenshots are more important :) Showing new features or not .. new users wouldn't know it anyway :p 18:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> none of the old screenshots were made with versions that they say they were made with :p 18:44:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: talking about http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/0.4.7/arctic_scenery.png ? 18:44:19 <Alberth> TrueBrain: you can wake up again, and admire the new thumb-nails 18:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> for example ;) 18:44:43 <TrueBrain> btw, jus tnoticed I put the cache on 1 hour :p 18:45:01 <TrueBrain> 0.6 thumbs look much better 18:45:03 <TrueBrain> nice work Alberth 18:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i rather doubt that one used station-walking to place the station bits where they are ;) 18:45:40 <Alberth> it really makes a difference 18:45:48 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: huh? 18:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: in the city, there are station bits 18:46:22 <Rubidium> oh, didn't even see those 18:46:37 <Rubidium> but that likely was station walking 18:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, yes, it could be 18:47:32 <Rubidium> the screenshot showed the old PBS 18:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i remember the story 18:47:45 <Rubidium> but DV has some fun replacing the signals 18:48:04 <Rubidium> and now I'm bored again 18:48:13 * TrueBrain feeds Rubidium a bit of work 18:48:15 <Rubidium> any sci-fi-ish stuff I should watch? 18:48:25 <TrueBrain> Fast and Furious 18:48:45 <Eddi|zuHause> torchwood? 18:49:10 <TrueBrain> Lesbian Vampire Slayer? 18:49:13 <Rubidium> seen & seen 18:49:14 <TrueBrain> but that is just Fiction 18:49:34 <Rubidium> that doesn't quite sound sci-fi-ish 18:49:42 <TrueBrain> just fiction :p 18:49:44 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 18:49:47 <TrueBrain> terrible movie, for that matter 18:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> what movie? 18:51:25 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos... i didn't get the latest buffy comic yet... 18:52:19 <Rubidium> and Torchwood is so last day 18:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... you didn't hear about the secret "day six" episode? :p 18:54:58 <Rubidium> no, Eve hasn't mentioned that to me 18:55:22 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:50 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:31 <Ammler> Rubidium: Buck Rogers 19:05:08 <Rubidium> hmm, how to get a 1939 movie? 19:05:17 <TrueBrain> via internet 19:05:29 <Rubidium> it isn't on waybackmachine 19:05:41 <TrueBrain> First Love! :p 19:05:44 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE365.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:45 <TrueBrain> The Wizard of Oz? 19:05:50 <TrueBrain> Frontier Marshal? 19:05:57 <TrueBrain> oh, I know: The Little Princess 19:05:57 <Ammler> just don't use your TCP/IP ;-) 19:06:13 <TrueBrain> (to name just a few movies from 1939 19:06:37 <TrueBrain> Gullivers Travels 1939 720p BluRay x264 CiNEFiLE <- LOL! 19:06:40 <TrueBrain> (animation movie) 19:09:36 <Rubidium> right... 19:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filmjahr_1939#Wichtige_Produktionen_des_Jahres 19:10:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:20 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 19:10:35 <Rubidium> so I better just sleep 27.5 hours and watch a new Top Gear 19:10:42 <TrueBrain> good luck with that 19:11:00 <Rubidium> hmm, no that's boring too 19:11:13 <Rubidium> can't even watch to some people riding a bike in France :( 19:11:21 <TrueBrain> now that is boring! 19:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> they still ride bikes in france? 19:12:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought they banned all people for doping... 19:13:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: no, they only banned German TV or was it the other way around? 19:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was the other way round 19:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> at least they stopped broadcasting half way through the last time 19:14:47 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db08a86.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: saufen \o/] 19:19:11 <petern> http://community.livejournal.com/ugly_crap/431092.html?style=mine 19:31:23 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 19:39:01 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF66D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:41 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE365.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:41 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 19:45:52 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:30 *** PeteT is now known as PeterT 20:07:10 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:10:29 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:14:20 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Adia?.] 20:17:01 <TrueBrain> # What's my age again 20:18:18 <petern> 12 20:19:39 <TrueBrain> stupid songbird is fucking slow with the size of my audio library 20:19:40 <TrueBrain> worthless 20:20:04 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:21:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd724.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:22:16 <dihedral> http://www.break.com/pictures/googly-breakfast818037.html 20:22:18 <dihedral> :-D 20:25:57 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 20:26:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:01 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:01 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:28:06 *** Big-Mama [~mmcmill7@ti0191a340-0409.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:28:20 *** Big-Mama [~mmcmill7@ti0191a340-0409.bb.online.no] has left #openttd [] 20:29:22 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:29:30 <TrueBrain> Tefad / KenjiE20: continueing a discusion of a few days ago: why ripping to FLAC or what ever is a no-brainer, I wonder what to do with the volume difference between songs ... normalizing seems a good idea, but it is a tricky process :s 20:30:01 <KenjiE20> indeed it is 20:30:18 <KenjiE20> usually I leave it as is and use the player to normalise 20:30:27 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 20:30:28 <KenjiE20> most of them have that ability these days 20:30:31 <TrueBrain> my iPod can't do that ;) 20:31:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:14 <TrueBrain> but I wonder if you want to expose a whole music collection to such process, or indeed do it on output 20:31:31 <TrueBrain> by the looks I need to convert to another format for my iPod anyway, as FLAC is battery expensive :p 20:31:33 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:31:57 * KenjiE20 uses Foobar, so let's ReplayGain do it then 20:32:56 <Tefad> TrueBrain: use.. yeah 20:33:22 <Tefad> if you have replaygain on your flacs 20:33:36 <Tefad> you can transcode to other formats with normalization applied 20:33:48 <Tefad> there's a checkbox in fb2k for that 20:34:14 <TrueBrain> which leads to the question: how to get the replaygain value in the flac in the first place ;) 20:34:41 <Tefad> select all, then you go to replaygain and tag by album based on tag 20:34:52 <TrueBrain> select all .. what tool are you talking about? :p 20:34:56 <Tefad> fb2k 20:35:00 <TrueBrain> ah, not using that :p 20:35:05 <Tefad> you on a mac? 20:35:08 <TrueBrain> linux 20:35:15 <Tefad> i use fb2k and i'm on linux : x 20:35:17 <KenjiE20> wine 20:35:18 <Tefad> wine ftw. 20:35:23 <TrueBrain> not the point :) 20:35:32 <KenjiE20> and replaygain can be applied to an entire album at once iirc 20:35:36 <TrueBrain> I want to .. well .. automate this shit :p 20:36:00 * KenjiE20 is also pretty sure some form of RelpayGain exists for linux somewhere 20:36:12 <Tefad> does flac have it built in? 20:36:21 <Tefad> yes. 20:36:24 <Tefad> look at --replay-gain 20:36:47 <TrueBrain> haven't touched flac yet ;) Just reading (and asking ;)) 20:37:35 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:38 <Nite_Owl> Would it not be simpler to just play the CD 20:37:51 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: do you enjoy changing CDs every 3 minutes? 20:38:00 <KenjiE20> or breaking them 20:38:12 <Tefad> or carrying around all of them with you 20:38:17 <KenjiE20> I must've killed a dozen CDs by dragging them everywhere 20:38:18 <Nite_Owl> I have a 5 disk CD changer 20:38:27 <Rubidium> Nite_Owl: please explain how to fit a CD in an iPod shuffle/nano 20:38:27 <Tefad> 5 isn't nearly enough 20:38:39 <TrueBrain> I have 13000 listed songs ... dunno :p 20:38:46 <Nite_Owl> I surrender 20:38:48 <KenjiE20> granted most of those were due to the crappy goodmans cd player 20:39:16 <KenjiE20> it had internal reinforcing ribs on the lid 20:39:34 <KenjiE20> so evey big jolt made the disc jump against them 20:39:38 <KenjiE20> >_> 20:39:43 <Nite_Owl> but I either listen to music at home or in my car and very rarely anywhere else 20:39:58 <TrueBrain> okay, so flac should do the replay gain, and it should all turn out okay as long as I use rg aware players :p 20:40:07 <TrueBrain> tnx :) 20:40:26 <TrueBrain> now I just need a tool to name the files correctly, and I am set :) 20:44:38 <Tefad> flac can do it 20:45:01 <Tefad> eh hmm 20:45:40 <Tefad> meh. 20:45:46 <TrueBrain> Tefad: are you okay? :p 20:46:11 <Tefad> MEH. 20:46:57 <dihedral> http://www.break.com/pictures/goofy-bushes813984.html 20:50:23 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:32 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:36 <TrueBrain> flac has a poor compression :p 20:57:32 <TrueBrain> lol, nice 'bug' in flac (at least I think): cdparanoia 1 - | flac - -o test.flac --best --replay-gain <- tells me I try to output to stdout, and that replay-gain is therefor not possible 20:57:33 <TrueBrain> go figure ... 21:04:04 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 21:04:44 <TrueBrain> Tefad: btw, I meant to get the right names for the CD tracks .. cdda.track01.flac is a silly name ;) 21:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: "i must have taken a wrong turn in albuqurque" 21:16:51 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:00 <Eddi|zuHause> s/in/at/ 21:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... 27 results with "at", and 22 results with "in", that's pretty close... 21:19:03 <Tefad> yes 21:19:10 <Tefad> you can do it with cdda craps 21:19:17 <Tefad> ID databases 21:19:21 <Tefad> you know.. 21:19:29 <TrueBrain> yup 21:19:32 <TrueBrain> need to figure that out :) 21:19:35 <Tefad> i helped write an automated system for this 21:19:36 <TrueBrain> (and feed it to flac :p) 21:19:50 <Tefad> go look up cdevour 21:20:39 <TrueBrain> 2006 21:20:41 <TrueBrain> lol 21:20:46 <Tefad> i think it's configured for vorbis 21:20:51 <Tefad> but it can be easily extended for flac 21:20:56 <Tefad> hack away! 21:21:10 <TrueBrain> will do, tnx for the pointer 21:21:20 <TrueBrain> why does debian want to install exim when I install mysql-server :( 21:22:18 <Rubidium> stupid maintainer for mysql 21:22:46 <TrueBrain> found a hacky way around it .. lalala 21:27:12 <dihedral> http://www.break.com/pictures/the-house-will-crash-soon789170.html 21:27:25 <TrueBrain> dihedral: that you are bored, okay .. but don't let us enjoy ;) 21:37:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:35 <dihedral> http://www.break.com/pictures/dont-worry-they-wont777424.html 21:44:41 <dihedral> sorry TB, cannot resist :-D 21:44:45 <TrueBrain> try harder 21:45:03 <dihedral> it's funny! 21:45:48 <Rubidium> if only I could remotely 'execute' commands in TrueBrain's IRC client 21:45:59 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you can do it local too 21:46:34 <Rubidium> what I want to execute in you IRC client I've already executed in mine 21:46:42 <TrueBrain> ah :) 21:46:44 <TrueBrain> I got it ;) 21:46:59 <dihedral> pffft 21:47:13 <TrueBrain> I can't get Amarok to work with ampache :( 21:47:40 <dihedral> <TrueBrain> try harder 21:47:42 <dihedral> :-P 21:51:31 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ANice-157-1-123-210.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:51 *** Worldbeing [~chatzilla@timewarp.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:57:38 <TrueBrain> stupid ampache doens't work ... it fails to play any file :'( 22:00:39 <TrueBrain> so bye Amarok .. you can't handle my music collection, so I don't like you 22:01:31 <Worldbeing> Evening folks 22:02:29 <TrueBrain> hello Worldbeing; what can we do for you on this beautiful evening? 22:02:34 <Worldbeing> I'm hoping someone can help me out. I'm looking for a certain scenario I can remember playing. Can't remember if it was in TTD or an earlier version of OTTD, or whether I downloaded it myself. 22:03:16 <Worldbeing> All I can remember is that I think the name started with a P and it had several instances of the producing industries (forsts etc) grouped together in certain areas 22:04:08 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: knock knock - gone] 22:04:19 <Worldbeing> I think it probably came with the game, but I can't seem to handle installing TTD from CD on this system, and I can't be bothered to persevere just to check while I have a perfectly good version of OTTD running 22:04:50 <Yexo> you can load TTD scenario's in OpenTTD, no need to install TTD for that 22:05:05 <Worldbeing> So basically, unless anyone has an excellent memory and an encyclopaedic knowledge of all the TTD/OTTD scenarios ever made... 22:05:48 <Worldbeing> I know, but I can't find it on the CD, and was wondering if I needed to unpack something on the CD to access any .scns in there...by installing 22:06:08 <Yexo> I think it are .sv1 files, not .scn files 22:06:22 <Yexo> but not sure on that 22:08:39 <Worldbeing> Possibly...either way, I can't find any on the CD I have 22:09:29 <Rubidium> ss0? 22:10:38 <Worldbeing> Yus, several of those... 22:11:32 <Worldbeing> About 40, in fact 22:12:12 <Yexo> then you have some testing to do to see if it's an of those 40 scenarios :) 22:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i can't stop thinking about building a model railway through my room 22:13:32 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 22:19:41 <Worldbeing> ... 22:19:50 <Worldbeing> Some of these scenarios are crazy 22:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i never really played any of the scenarios 22:21:25 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.73.249.23] has quit [Quit: edgepro: Why are you staring at my shoes? They're perfectly normal.] 22:22:19 <Worldbeing> For some of them, playing them would be all but impossible 22:22:52 <Worldbeing> Or at least, pointless 22:23:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-193.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:53 <Worldbeing> The map that looks like a teddybear, for example 22:28:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the only kind of scenario i would consider would be a real world based, like europe or germany or something 22:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> building a realistic map of the german railways before 1914, that could be cool 22:33:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D881.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:03 <Worldbeing> The advantage to real world scenarios is that industries tend to be vaguely realistically placed, rather than just thrown all over the place 22:35:09 <Worldbeing> Which annoys me in random maps 22:40:54 <Worldbeing> Nope, can't find it. Dammit 22:42:08 <Eddi|zuHause> there used to be a scenario pack that was distributed with older releases 22:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but i really did not know anything about these 22:44:07 <Worldbeing> Hmmm, sounds like a possible candidate 22:44:20 <Worldbeing> I remember it being one of about five or six scenarios 22:44:32 <Worldbeing> Trouble is, it must be a couple of years ago at least 22:44:40 <Worldbeing> Hence the uncertainty as to where it's from 22:52:22 <Eddi|zuHause> b?h... the squirrel stuff takes ages to compile 22:52:55 <TrueBrain> -j2 is such a lovely command 22:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> only when you have a dual core ;) 22:53:26 <TrueBrain> even without 22:53:27 <Yexo> even without 22:53:32 * TrueBrain hugs Yexo :) 22:53:51 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it has to do with making sure the IO already loaded the next file and stuff 22:53:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but really, half of the compile time is spent with ai stuff... 22:54:10 <TrueBrain> I am pretty sure it is not 50% ;) 22:54:17 <Yexo> and since I started using msvc I won't complain anymore about the speed of gcc 22:55:20 <Yexo> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/bench/bench-avgass.png <- according to that, it's +- 25% 22:55:55 <TrueBrain> I was looking for that url ... :p 22:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause> what's that? 22:56:44 <Yexo> a benchmark of compile time 22:56:54 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:01 <Yexo> SmatZ runs that every 10 revesions 22:57:08 <Yexo> *revisions 22:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... compile time by revisions... 22:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> really... why does nobody ever put a description at the scales 22:57:54 <Rubidium> because that wastes precious screen space 22:57:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the most elementary thing you learn about making a diagram 22:58:00 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: can you add description at the axis? :) 22:58:23 <TrueBrain> I agree with Eddi|zuHause here, I was trying to figure out myself what was on the axis of different graphs :p 23:01:06 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 23:02:22 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 23:02:25 <dragonhorseboy> hey 23:02:50 <dragonhorseboy> just had to wonder but how many of you play with steam locomotives (especially in multiplayer too) after the 1940's? 23:03:46 <Rubidium> multiplayer? what's that? 23:05:02 * dragonhorseboy wonders if rubidium somehow has not both heard of ttdx and not even seen that ottd had a very clear "multiplayer" button at the main screen 23:05:06 <dragonhorseboy> :p 23:06:04 <Yexo> just had to wonder but how many of you play <- /me stops reading 23:10:13 <KingJ> I hate Steam. Prefer e-rail 23:10:22 <TrueBrain> Steam is such a nice gaming platform 23:10:33 <Tefad> hurfdurf 23:11:09 <dragonhorseboy> kingj... email isn't even a locomotive ;) (and for you too truebrain) 23:11:20 <dragonhorseboy> heh 23:11:28 <KingJ> I didn't say email 23:11:57 <dragonhorseboy> hm.. *looks at windows trying to bellyup with font dots again* 23:12:02 <dragonhorseboy> sorry..its been doing that often 23:13:11 <dragonhorseboy> kingj either way, fair enough. did you like any in particular or just picking whatever worked for you? 23:13:55 <KingJ> I've always prefered rail vehicles. Steam is too slow for my liking, mono/maglev too fast. I only use maglev on a few special routes 23:13:59 <Eddi|zuHause> did 0.6.2 have a bug where the catchment area wraps around the map edges? 23:14:36 <Tefad> i always liked toroidal maps 23:15:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8406A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:46 <dragonhorseboy> kingj...hmm well some grfs actually bring highspeed steam locomotives (and no..not just only 140km/h .. quite faster ;) ) .. but fair enough. and yeah I almost never ever use actual maglevs on any of my own games at all (although I did perhaps use that one in dbsetxl once in a while) 23:15:48 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but onl visually 23:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4156 <- here is a guy who has magically appearing oil at his refinery station, and he has an oil rig at the exact opposite of the map 23:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i told him to update to 0.7.1 23:17:21 <Yexo> that's no known bug in 0.6.3, at least not known to me 23:18:01 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 23:19:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8406A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:19:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:24:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i am pretty sure if that ever was a bug it is already fixed, at least i can not reproduce it in my current build 23:24:35 <Eddi|zuHause> r16793 23:25:21 <dragonhorseboy> do any of you use or have used the japan station grf? 23:25:32 <TrueBrain> is this the daily enquete, or? 23:25:36 <TrueBrain> survey 23:25:38 <TrueBrain> maybe better word :p 23:25:48 <Tefad> yous a frenchy? 23:26:18 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain well you know how the first platform in list is an automated one... I'm wondering if there's any action/callback to specify different tiles per different platform lengths or.. just how does it really even work nfo-wise? 23:26:34 <dragonhorseboy> I kinda want to duplicate that but not sure which nfo part to look up in the wiki 23:26:37 <TrueBrain> what do I know? :( 23:26:57 <TrueBrain> I hate it when people think I know anything about newgrfs :( 23:27:08 <Eddi|zuHause> varaction 2 for stations is a pretty safe bet :p 23:27:29 <dragonhorseboy> thanks eddi..looking now :) 23:32:42 <dragonhorseboy> hm great...where did I put the manual now :S 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76395.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75EBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:45 <TrueBrain> welcome back Eddi|zuHause :) 23:34:16 <dragonhorseboy> ah found it thanks eddi.. varaction2stations variable 40 and 41 specifies tiles 23:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> have i ever told how useless it is to greet people who had a 24h disconnect? 23:34:19 <dragonhorseboy> cheers 23:34:24 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: please do tell :) 23:34:26 <dragonhorseboy> lol 23:34:34 <dragonhorseboy> I wouldn't want to do that myself eddi :) 23:34:35 <TrueBrain> I myself have a 24h disconnect too btw, but I rarely notice 23:34:39 <TrueBrain> mostly it is back before IRC times out :) 23:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that works only if i have a bouncer of some sort 23:35:30 <TrueBrain> nope, raw connection here 23:35:43 <TrueBrain> but I get the same IP, and the reconnect is only for the authorization 23:35:48 <TrueBrain> so it is not completely fair I guess ;) 23:36:22 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: can you in Germany call the emergency services via VOIP? 23:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how should i know? 23:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate phones... 23:37:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i am pretty sure i can't call them by IRC :p 23:37:28 <Rubidium> well, it's possible in the US... and I doubt that a provider deliberatly killing connections when calling the emergency services might be 'a bad thing' 23:37:55 <Rubidium> hmm... my mind went faster than my fingers 23:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the majority of all customers will never notice the 24h limit 23:38:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: until someone dies because of it ;) 23:39:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can try suing the providers ;) 23:39:16 <Rubidium> but then, being kicked once every 24 hours isn't that bad compared with Ziggo in Amersfoort Vathorst 23:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> sueing? 23:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever... 23:39:53 <Rubidium> where you may be lucky when the phone works 23:40:27 <TrueBrain> IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '~/cdrip-tmp/track1.tag' 23:40:31 <TrueBrain> python doesn't like ~? :( 23:40:52 <Rubidium> maybe it doesn't resolve it 23:40:59 <TrueBrain> stupid! 23:41:32 <dragonhorseboy> kingj you still around? 23:41:39 <KingJ> For you, no 23:41:43 <KingJ> eheheh 23:41:47 <dragonhorseboy> very funny :p 23:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i'm pretty sure the ~ expansion is a shell-only thing :p 23:42:10 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@user-54459eb5.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:42:17 <TrueBrain> os.path.expanduser("~") 23:42:20 <TrueBrain> works too :p 23:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i'll forget this until i need it... 23:43:54 <dragonhorseboy> kingj but anyway so if you started a game and saw that some nice electric locomotives were affordable you would probably had gone 100% electrification from the start right? :-) 23:44:05 <KingJ> I do 23:44:21 <dragonhorseboy> thought so 23:45:28 *** TheStarLion [~isaac@user-54459eb5.lns1-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 23:45:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i never go all-electric 23:46:08 <KingJ> Well, I play with the UK railset 23:46:26 <KingJ> But only use 3 engines 23:47:25 <KingJ> AL10's for all freight 23:47:40 <KingJ> Pendolino for stopping passengers 23:47:47 <KingJ> Eurostar for express passengers 23:48:00 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..on one of jonty-comp's earlier map (not the last one before server went down for good recently) .. I managed to start with mix of steam and electric then when both were getting old enough, it was late diesel for only a short while but then as soon as the first one came out I literally went 100% hydrogen power and even ripped down a lot of wires except for a few emu trains :) 23:48:17 <dragonhorseboy> if the map had started later I'm sure I would had gone almost all-hydrogen :P 23:48:44 <dragonhorseboy> think it was NARS anyhow 23:48:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DF66D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 23:51:33 <dragonhorseboy> with dbsetxl well...since the cost are reasonable high etc I've often found myself running a bit of wide mix of anything as long as they aren't showing old age (even the ones with only 15 year expecation are often sold off in less than 16 years too) 23:51:51 <dragonhorseboy> because i can't just buy everything as soon as a new one comes out or I'll go bankrupt quickly 23:55:03 <KingJ> Ah, I also play with breakdowns off 23:55:19 <KingJ> Playing with it on would be... chaotic 23:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> breakdowns are silly 23:56:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226148121.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:57:06 <dragonhorseboy> I always have it enabled on reduced .. its just not relastic to have a 30+ years old engine still running nonstop ;) 23:57:11 <dragonhorseboy> heh 23:57:49 <dragonhorseboy> some grfs have a wide variety of locomotives for that reason