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00:14:21 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 00:15:40 *** KUDr [~doctor@203.253.broadband9.iol.cz] has quit [] 00:27:56 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177235115.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:29:14 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.156.69.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]] 00:35:37 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177225253.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:57 *** tdev [~udev@p508EDD97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 01:22:07 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-245-188.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:38 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:44 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:09:54 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:22:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051117136.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 02:26:43 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:41:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4025:558b:e2a2:1538] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:08:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:03 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:24:59 *** krushia [~krushia@pool-71-168-96-174.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 03:34:31 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 03:39:21 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:45:09 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:06:57 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:19:33 *** dmacmarine [~dmacmarin@cpe-75-82-224-74.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 05:05:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 05:09:18 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 05:09:45 <GregVernon> Hey guys, is there a train limit in OpenTTD 0.7.1? I try to build more than 3 trains and I can't :( 05:11:31 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:17:29 <Noldo> what is stopping you? 05:19:34 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 05:26:04 <GregVernon> I go into the "new vehicle" menu, and can only create cars - no engines 05:28:11 <Noldo> what is stopping you? 05:29:24 <GregVernon> there are no engines in the list 05:30:13 <Noldo> I don't think it has anything to do with a train limit, but you can test that easily by selling few trains 05:30:26 <Noldo> it could be that there simply aren't any available 05:31:44 <GregVernon> well, I only have three 05:33:08 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 05:34:19 <GregVernon> so I guess what do you mean by "available" factories can't keep up with demand? 05:35:29 <GregVernon> hmm... I went into what trains I have available... I have 2 electric engines... I try to build one and it says "Can't build railroad vehicle" 05:36:55 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0E7AF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 05:38:26 <GregVernon> I just tried to clone one of my trains and it said "Cannot clone train... Vehicle not available" 05:41:11 <GregVernon> I'm starting to think... in 2016, old diesel trains are not available anymore? 05:43:22 <Noldo> propably not 05:44:45 <GregVernon> well... I wouldn't mind updating my rail infastructure to an electrified rail, but that doesn't seem to be available either... 05:57:04 *** aperson [~aperson@ip212.npoccam.bevcomm.net] has joined #openttd 05:57:09 <aperson> howdy 06:06:57 <Xaroth> GregVernon: Rail vehicle limits are set in the advanced settings window 06:22:55 <GregVernon> whats the rate on how towns grow? i.e. how on until a trainstation/truck station/etc can accept goods or food? 06:26:07 <GregVernon> what variables determine growth? 06:26:39 <Noldo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Town_growth 06:26:41 <planetmaker> town_growth_speed possibly 06:27:06 <planetmaker> generally it helps a lot to just look at the config file :) 06:27:08 <GregVernon> oh... thats awkward 06:27:10 <GregVernon> :P 06:27:14 <planetmaker> The config options equal the variable names 06:27:37 <GregVernon> thanks though 06:28:07 <planetmaker> up to 5 well serviced stations will help to boost growth 06:29:16 <GregVernon> so, bus stations = growth? 06:29:43 <planetmaker> serviced bus station will help to stimulate growth 06:30:05 <GregVernon> sweet! thanks! 06:30:05 <planetmaker> mind that in tropical or arctic towns will require food and/or water to grow if in snow/desert 06:30:19 <GregVernon> yeah, I just raid that... I'm in a desert map. 06:30:30 <GregVernon> I should probably start working on that water supply 06:30:33 <planetmaker> it needs one delivery per month 06:31:17 <planetmaker> the town info window tells you what (if so) is needed 06:31:56 <GregVernon> is there any way to tell if the delivery makes it every month, i.e. if I have one truck going to two towns, how would I know if it makes deliveries on time? 06:32:06 <planetmaker> no 06:32:38 <planetmaker> at least not easily and reliably. 06:32:52 <planetmaker> you could use autofil timetable for the vehicle for testing purposes 06:34:50 <planetmaker> well: or very easy: open a viewport on a vehicle and just watch. 06:34:54 <planetmaker> that's what I do in case of doubt 06:34:59 <GregVernon> ah, I see 06:35:31 <GregVernon> hmm, what about motor vehicle crashes 06:35:44 <GregVernon> is there any way to avoid those? aside from not building across train tracks? 06:36:33 <planetmaker> build not across train tracks. use bridges/tunnels 06:37:14 <Tefad> good luck telling towns that 06:37:34 <planetmaker> sure: disable town build roads and build yourself :-) 06:38:05 <planetmaker> vehicle I build usually take save routes which I make sure don't hit a train 06:38:25 <planetmaker> even with towns building road on 06:39:53 <GregVernon> I see... 06:40:14 <GregVernon> because I've had two crashes... 42 people dead so far :( 06:50:43 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-89-185.umts.vodacom.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:52:44 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.216.60] has joined #openttd 07:04:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:09:17 <GregVernon> ugh 07:09:22 <GregVernon> why do UFOs like my trainstation?! 07:09:32 <Noldo> it's tasty 07:11:19 <GregVernon> I bet it is 07:11:43 <GregVernon> I mean, rebuild it ever 5 years 07:11:49 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.216.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:47 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 07:25:43 <planetmaker> those old-fashioned and dirty buildings are just not on. They just help you to maintain a modern building. 07:28:04 <GregVernon> which AI would you recommend I download? 07:30:53 *** reldred [~reldred@115.130.57.52] has joined #openttd 07:33:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: are OpenGFX's toyland construction stages automatically generated? 07:33:27 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has joined #openttd 07:33:31 <planetmaker> Rubidium, not automatically. But one person made a web-based generator 07:33:38 <planetmaker> And he made all those wrapping- stages. 07:34:09 <Rubidium> that sounds like automatically to me 07:34:51 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has quit [] 07:34:55 <planetmaker> well. you still have to put in every sprite individually and have it generate the output. 07:35:32 <planetmaker> but yes, it's automatic in a certain sense :-) 07:35:35 <planetmaker> Though I didn't find the interface 100% intuitive :-P 07:36:11 <Rubidium> so the web-based generator is the prefered way of modifying those sprites (at least the wrapping), right? 07:36:24 <planetmaker> http://files.edorfaus.info/ttd-box-editor/ttd-box-editor.html 07:36:43 <planetmaker> well... that's the way it has been done now. And the only way. 07:37:05 <planetmaker> So... I guess it's the preferred way to do then :-) 07:37:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:37:50 <Rubidium> so it's something troublesome for GPL 'compatability' 07:37:57 <planetmaker> uh? Why? 07:38:01 <Rubidium> The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. 07:38:39 <planetmaker> hm... true 07:38:51 <Noldo> and tools to make the 'binary' from the 'source' 07:38:52 <planetmaker> I'll ask him about the php code 07:39:02 <planetmaker> Noldo, that's done. The pcx are there. 07:40:50 <Noldo> for just the wrapping? 07:41:17 <planetmaker> yes. It's a pattern which is taken 07:41:27 <planetmaker> and then skewed over the existing sprite 07:41:40 <planetmaker> and a bit re-shaded to adjust for lightening effects 07:42:45 <planetmaker> The box generator is also GPL2 - by the person who supplied the sprites - so in principle we can add it to the repo. 07:42:51 <planetmaker> Which is a good idea, I have to admit. 07:43:57 <Rubidium> yup 07:44:53 <Rubidium> and add the pattern and a small script that (re)generates the wrapped-toyland-buildings-pcx(es?) 07:45:20 <Rubidium> and just use the pregenerated (stored in the repository) .pcx for the general build 07:45:31 <planetmaker> yes. That'd be handy. I don't entirely understand how he did that. But I'll ask him about exactly that, to submit it to the repo 07:46:01 <planetmaker> uh... ok. That'll be difficult. It's web-based, e.g. you have to upload the sprite afaik 07:46:06 <Rubidium> that way people can both generate the sprites and you don't add a php dependency on building the package 07:46:52 <Rubidium> he did upload and download all those sprites... poor person 07:47:07 <planetmaker> Though, admittedly again, that'd be the best way. But(!) alignment needs doing manually in any case, if the original sprites change. 07:47:17 <planetmaker> So I don't really see how that can be completely don automatically. 07:47:44 <planetmaker> hm... sprite# seems to suffice 07:47:52 <planetmaker> so he gets them somewhere. 07:48:59 <planetmaker> but still it needs generation one by one. 07:53:18 <Alberth> further automagization would be useful :) 07:53:25 <planetmaker> yup, indeed :-) 07:57:23 <Alberth> (09:47:34 AM) planetmaker: So I don't really see how that can be completely don automatically. <-- you cannot. However, if you can specify in a file how to align each sprite (and the tool knows what to do with the file), that file becomes part of the input-files, and you can do the assembly as part of the daily build. 07:58:16 <planetmaker> Alberth, well... in principle the wrapping need the same alignment as the built house... I guess a copy&paste will do... 07:58:45 <planetmaker> well... there are means to do it automatically. I just sent him an e-mail which basically is an assignment :-P 07:59:03 <planetmaker> though phrased as a nice question :-) 07:59:09 <Alberth> :) 07:59:17 <planetmaker> about possibilities 08:07:39 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:56 <Ammler> afaik, it is just html/javascript 08:08:48 <planetmaker> if that's so, then it's easy to commit as is. 08:08:52 <Ammler> (the html file is the source) 08:09:00 <planetmaker> Having it as a script would then be nicer, though :-) 08:09:29 <Ammler> hmm, I see it more as a tool like gimp 08:10:22 <planetmaker> well... it's a custom tool. 08:10:34 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://www.openttd.org/en/screenshot/0.7/desert_island_opengfx_planetmaker_20090712 08:10:56 <planetmaker> nice! :-) 08:11:09 <Alberth> it looks familiar, no doubt :) 08:11:18 <planetmaker> hehe. Indeed. 08:11:58 <planetmaker> Meanwhile I extended it a bit, doing a few changes. Like increasing the probability that PBS features are shown, adding more vehicles 08:12:21 <planetmaker> more obvious use of drive-through road stops 08:12:52 <planetmaker> but all not visible on first glance, I guess 08:13:32 <planetmaker> I still hope I can supply you with a new and nice title game somewhen :-) 08:13:52 *** Xyzzy [~Albert@vc-41-192-89-185.umts.vodacom.co.za] has left #openttd [] 08:13:58 <planetmaker> (and have a tropical OpenGFX test game at the same time :-) ) 08:15:16 <planetmaker> But making a good showcase is much more difficult than one would expect :-) 08:16:14 <Alberth> afaik the current opening screen is also used as a test-bed, namely loading a very old game. 08:16:35 <planetmaker> :-) That's something I cannot provide for sure. 08:18:19 <planetmaker> as "showing all (or at least most) features" is mutually exclusive with "old save". 08:18:34 <Alberth> yeah. 08:19:18 <Alberth> also, it should probably look good both with the current graphics and the OpenGFX set. 08:19:36 <planetmaker> sure. But I think that's not too difficult. 08:19:40 <Alberth> (in case it isn't difficult enough :) ) 08:20:29 *** reldred [~reldred@115.130.57.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:50 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.192.153] has joined #openttd 08:21:04 <Alberth> maybe we should have a directory with user-supplied saves, or so. 08:21:16 <planetmaker> :-) 08:21:20 <Alberth> (that at least seems one of the simpler approaches) 08:21:52 <planetmaker> he... and then the next idea: a random save is chosen as the title screen - if it is available :-) 08:22:18 <Alberth> but first a bit of gui hacking :) 08:22:22 <planetmaker> :-) 08:47:58 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 08:56:50 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:06:38 *** paul__ [~paul@host86-145-25-227.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:08:10 <dihedral> hehe - there is an issue in the maglev in opengfx 09:08:11 <dihedral> :-D 09:08:20 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:27 <dihedral> look at the diagonal rails in that screenshot Alberth posted ^^ 09:09:02 <blathijs> dihedral: You probably mean the connection between diagonal and straight rails? 09:09:04 <dihedral> just 1 pixel on each edge of the tile 09:09:14 <dihedral> nope - between diagonal and diagonal 09:09:40 <dihedral> http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/0.7/desert_island_opengfx_planetmaker_20090712.png 09:09:49 <dihedral> left side 09:10:08 <blathijs> Ah, there 09:10:17 <blathijs> I was looking at the vertical one :-) 09:10:21 <dihedral> 1 pixel only 09:11:01 <planetmaker> eh? I don't get what you hint at 09:11:15 <dihedral> planetmaker, have a look at that image 09:11:30 <dihedral> look at the diagonal maglev line at the left 09:11:40 <planetmaker> I do. And...? 09:11:52 <dihedral> look at the join of 2 tiles 09:12:00 <dihedral> it's 1px off 09:12:17 <planetmaker> you mean the lines perpendicular to the track? 09:12:28 <dihedral> aye 09:12:47 <planetmaker> hm... can be considered a bug probably, I guess 09:13:01 <planetmaker> though no-one noticed so far :-P 09:13:27 *** paul_ [~paul@host86-145-25-227.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:33 <dihedral> bugs dont have to be noticed to be bugs :-P 09:13:42 <Noldo> visual ones do 09:13:48 <planetmaker> :-) 09:14:03 <dihedral> then the entire maglev sprites are a bug :-D 09:14:16 <dihedral> maglev rail sprites 09:14:28 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:15:54 <dihedral> looks like a ... "fliessband" :-P 09:16:04 <planetmaker> conveyor belt :-) 09:16:17 <dihedral> yes, that 09:16:30 <dihedral> like at an airport... "here comes my case" 09:16:45 <dihedral> hihi 09:17:19 <blathijs> dihedral: Nobody said that things were a bug if you noticed them, that's the other way around :-p 09:17:32 <blathijs> Just that it's not a bug if you don't notice it :-) 09:18:31 <dihedral> nobody noticed some stuff in openttd that could cause crashes, yet they were still bugs :-D 09:18:58 <planetmaker> something which doesn't cause an issue is not a bug. 09:19:06 <dihedral> @seen Yexo 09:19:06 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Yexo was last seen in #openttd 16 hours, 20 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Yexo> good evening 09:19:29 <dihedral> planetmaker, ok, it does not cause the trains to derail 09:19:50 <planetmaker> I meant the general case. 09:19:59 <planetmaker> If it works, it isn't broken. 09:20:00 <dihedral> i am just being silly ;-) 09:20:16 <Noldo> I remember back in the day when I did my best to reproduce the "lonely wagon" bug 09:20:35 <dihedral> heh 09:22:34 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/348 <-- dihedral 09:23:37 <dihedral> ^^ 09:24:28 *** [1]GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 09:25:24 *** lime [~irlime@port543.ds1-hvi.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:24 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:25:25 *** [1]GregVernon is now known as GregVernon 09:27:31 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 09:39:08 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:49 <Muxy> Kiss from Goulp ! 09:43:05 <Forked> ?\(?_o)/? 09:43:50 <blathijs> Muxy: Interesting hostname 10:00:31 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:32 *** kingj is now known as KingJ 10:11:03 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has joined #openttd 10:11:32 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:10 <Muxy> blathijs: not as yours ;-) 10:20:39 <blathijs> Muxy: It seems rather weird to be running IRC on an smtp server, is what I meant :-) 10:21:01 <Muxy> ah, ok, but as i have only one ip... 10:22:50 <Muxy> but the irc is running on another system than the smtp server... 10:23:10 <blathijs> Ah, your SMTP server is also the gateway :-) 10:23:19 <Muxy> no 10:24:15 <Muxy> this is my router. 10:24:33 <blathijs> Ah, and both are running behind the gateway 10:24:57 <Muxy> that's it. 10:25:07 <blathijs> In that case it's funny that the reverse name is smtp. I guess :-) 10:26:02 <Muxy> well, as the smtp name is the hostname defined in the domains i own, i set the reverse on it, coz i think it's better to do it like this. 10:28:59 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:31 *** Lachie [~whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 10:31:43 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:34:23 *** ecke [~ecke@194.213.222.138] has joined #openttd 10:40:47 *** colde [colde@server.lokedupont.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:23 *** paul__ [~paul@host86-145-25-227.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:40 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-145-25-227.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:24 *** colde [colde@server.lokedupont.info] has joined #openttd 10:49:02 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:17 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 11:03:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.141.206] has joined #openttd 11:03:56 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:29 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:36 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:39 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db074e3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:08:22 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:08:26 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has joined #openttd 11:10:40 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:27 *** ecke [~ecke@194.213.222.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:40 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:14:44 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:30:34 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:46:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f960:b2b9:ce95:9453] has joined #openttd 11:46:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:53:49 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228025047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:00:09 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16967 /trunk/src/disaster_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#0356]: assert when UFO tried to destroy rail 12:03:19 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:54 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 12:09:09 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 12:29:46 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:35:14 <LadyHawk> ufo? 12:35:29 <LadyHawk> in ottd? 12:35:48 <Rubidium> yes, an uncontrolable flying object 12:36:10 <TrueBrain> you never spot them? 12:36:15 <TrueBrain> enable Disasters for once :p 12:36:21 <glx> the small one kills buses, the big one destroy rails 12:38:01 <LadyHawk> lol 12:38:05 <LadyHawk> i don't do disasters 12:43:40 <Belugas> hello 12:43:59 <TrueBrain> Belugas!!!!!!!1111111111111 12:44:14 <Belugas> heeeeek!!!! 12:44:25 <Belugas> What have I done??? 12:44:34 <TrueBrain> I am just happy to see you :) 12:45:30 <Belugas> pffffiooouu... i was afraid you wold discover what i did to your bank account... 12:45:44 <TrueBrain> haha, not much to do there .. :p 12:45:49 <Belugas> i'm happy to see you too ;) 12:46:01 <TrueBrain> :) :) :) 12:47:57 *** Chruker [~no@0x5da34ce4.vjnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:47:58 <Rubidium> ghehe... the philosophy of 'seeing' ;) 12:51:50 <Belugas> yup 12:52:03 <Belugas> when oceans are between us :( 12:52:07 <Belugas> sniff sniff 12:58:18 <Sacro> UFOs, in my OpenTTD? It's more common than you think! 13:19:52 *** sunkan [~sunkan@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:19 *** sunkan [~sunkan@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 13:30:26 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.192.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:50 *** ecke [~ecke@194.213.222.138] has joined #openttd 13:52:06 *** ecke [~ecke@194.213.222.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:57 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g228025047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.98] has joined #openttd 14:08:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.172.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:06 <OwenS> Aah SSH, warning me about my server's SSH certificate changing 14:11:44 <TrueBrain> be glad he does that :) 14:11:52 <TrueBrain> it at least once saved my ass :) 14:11:58 <OwenS> :-) 14:12:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g228025047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:09 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:12:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 14:12:22 <OwenS> Incidentally, I notice my known hosts file is full of crap 14:12:51 <TrueBrain> :) They all are ;) 14:13:10 <OwenS> Like a server which hasn't existed for 2 years :p 14:13:28 <TrueBrain> happy happy designing the new database for WT3 .. pff ... 14:13:47 <OwenS> Incidentally, my server just moved from UML to Xen 14:14:46 <OwenS> (They've offered both for about 6months, it's just I only just got round to putting in a movement ticket) 14:15:18 <OwenS> Or rather, they've offered Xen for 6 months and no longer sell UML to new customers 14:15:48 <TrueBrain> we stopped selling linux-vservers and only sell ESXi nowedays :p 14:16:25 <OwenS> I've had better Xen performance than VMWare, so meh :p 14:16:33 <TrueBrain> VMWare Server, yes 14:16:38 <TrueBrain> ESX(i), doubtful :p 14:16:55 <OwenS> It's just Xen is a royal bitch to configure :p 14:16:57 <TrueBrain> (I spent a good week running all kinds of extensive tests on both :p) 14:17:03 <TrueBrain> oh, that too! 14:17:33 <TrueBrain> ESX(i) works best via iSCSI fileserver .. so we are now happy using that :) 14:17:36 <OwenS> I bet ESXi VPS cost more though :P 14:17:41 <TrueBrain> I doubt that 14:17:48 <TrueBrain> both are free software ;) 14:18:09 <OwenS> I forgot they'd done that now :p 14:18:26 <TrueBrain> well, very soon you want to buy a few packages from them 14:19:05 <TrueBrain> oh, I forgot: I didn't compared Xen with ESXi, I compared Citrix XenServer with ESXi 14:19:23 <TrueBrain> removed the part: bitch to configure ;) 14:21:26 <OwenS> Eurgh! Licorice! 14:23:19 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:25:26 <OwenS> Note to self: Your deploying a VPS from a system image which is 14 months old. You're gonna have to do an apt-get update first before installing anything 14:25:47 <Rubidium> especially when you used debian-stable ;) 14:25:53 <OwenS> Ubuntu 8.04 LTS 14:26:16 <OwenS> Used to use CentOS but I find Yum too fragile. And slooow 14:26:16 <Rubidium> that shouldn't have that many changes 14:26:38 <OwenS> Rubidium: No it doesn't. But package URLs have still changed because of updates 14:26:54 <Rubidium> that's nasty 14:27:41 <OwenS> Old versions have gone from the repository. Is that a big issue? :P 14:27:52 <TrueBrain> it looks like it is going to rain .. yet I need to go out to do some shopping .. what to do ... 14:28:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: don't go and order a pizza 14:28:17 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: considering it :p 14:28:19 <Belugas> # Here comes the Rain!! 14:28:27 <Belugas> # Here she comes again 14:28:38 <Belugas> # RAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIN yeah yeah 14:28:49 <Rubidium> OwenS: old versions yes, but so many that you need to update before you can install anything is a bad thing; it means that you had a lot of crap to start with 14:28:58 <TrueBrain> buienradar tells me only a minor rainclowd will hit here in the next hour .. 14:29:31 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the 'nice' feature of that is that it doesn't show clouds that aren't producing percipitation 14:29:43 <TrueBrain> indeed 14:29:49 <TrueBrain> the reason I said: rainclowd ;) 14:30:25 <OwenS> Rubidium: Not really. I had 36 out of date packages, which downloaded in about 2 seconds :P All I needed before I could install stuff though was an update to download package manifests 14:32:36 <Rubidium> oh, that's reasonable, although assuming a server with a fair amount of stuff installed 14:33:00 <OwenS> They deploy a very bare bones system 14:33:01 <Rubidium> (not that it's the 36 packages of a 'empty' install) 14:33:04 <OwenS> Not even a mail server 14:33:15 <Rubidium> hmm, then 36 is quite a lot 14:34:04 <OwenS> They update their images when the distros release new CDs. In the case of 8.04 LTS, they don't make new CDs... so it's an image from April 08 14:37:09 <Rubidium> that sucks 14:37:38 <OwenS> It's the same situation you'd be in on a physical server 14:38:48 <Rubidium> even debian (fairly) regularly releases a new set of CDs 14:39:21 <OwenS> At least I think that's the case. I'm not sure. The image may be newer 14:39:52 <Rubidium> it even updates oldstable images 14:41:02 *** el[cube] [~eleusis@203-206-125-15.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:42:51 *** eleusis [~eleusis@203-206-113-192.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:09 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 14:50:39 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [] 14:58:00 *** eleusis [~eleusis@124-169-156-40.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:59:40 <OwenS> I have a slight issue with Solaris zones 14:59:53 <OwenS> The host machine they're running on now has 15 network interfaces 15:00:50 *** el[cube] [~eleusis@203-206-125-15.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:02:54 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has joined #openttd 15:02:58 *** OwenSX48BD [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:03:07 *** OwenS is now known as Guest595 15:03:07 *** OwenSX48BD is now known as owens 15:03:11 *** owens is now known as OwenS 15:09:56 *** Guest595 [~oshepherd@host86-144-20-57.range86-144.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff894.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:28:01 <TrueBrain> who here uses GetText? 15:28:28 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:28:46 <frosch123> as developer yes; as packager or translator no 15:29:15 <TrueBrain> well .. in Django, gettext files can contain %(variable)s 15:29:24 <TrueBrain> is this normal gettext something, or did Django define that? 15:29:38 <tdev> its a python thing 15:29:47 <frosch123> never saw that :) 15:29:50 <TrueBrain> (designing WT3.1 database, and I wonder why I need to add for GetText support) 15:29:54 <TrueBrain> howdie tdev 15:29:57 <glx> I only saw standard % stuff 15:29:57 <FloSoft> TrueBrain: its a gettext thing 15:30:00 <tdev> print "%(varname)s" % {varname:"value"} 15:30:07 <TrueBrain> mixing signals here :) 15:30:17 <tdev> hi TrueBrain :) 15:30:22 <TrueBrain> tdev: I know it is Python, the syntax, but I wonder if gettext supports anything like it 15:30:30 <tdev> i dont think so ;) 15:30:35 <FloSoft> TrueBrain: you can change position of placeholders, but python added some extra functionality 15:30:53 <TrueBrain> tdev: http://85.17.162.189/wiki/webtranslator <- any feedback is welcome ;) 15:31:12 <TrueBrain> I read over the brainstorm page of yours, and I couldn't find anything I didn't already have :p :p 15:31:27 <tdev> TrueBrain: will look later, food now :) 15:31:30 <glx> FloSoft: so it's for "bla %s %s" with inversion in the translation ? 15:31:58 <TrueBrain> PHP uses %s and %d and stuff 15:32:08 <TrueBrain> but is it gettext, or PHP? 15:32:46 <FloSoft> TrueBrain: that are placeholders for sprintf, the order of these can be changed when using gettext 15:32:59 <TrueBrain> how? 15:33:21 <TrueBrain> (I know too little about gettext :p) 15:34:10 <FloSoft> TrueBrain: look into manual of gettext, there it should stand somewhere, never used it by myself 15:34:43 <frosch123> he, the way I understood it, reordering paramters cannot work :) 15:34:52 <TrueBrain> I read several packages that do that 15:34:53 <FloSoft> oh very simple: %1$s %2$s and so on... 15:34:54 <TrueBrain> like quercus 15:35:15 <FloSoft> frosch123: sure, gettext has replacements for most *printf-functions to interpret those commands 15:35:20 <TrueBrain> FloSoft: I read several syntax for that already ... dunno if it is gettext which does it 15:35:37 <FloSoft> you add a number$ between the placeholder 15:35:56 <frosch123> FloSoft: so you have to use sprintf everywhere, when printf is not sufficient 15:36:02 <frosch123> ? 15:36:30 <FloSoft> it has replacements vor sprintf, printf, vprintf and many more variants 15:37:11 <glx> http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#c_002dformat-Flag 15:37:36 *** Patrick [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 15:37:59 *** Patrick [~quassel@mikearthur.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:38:12 <TrueBrain> glx: yeah, just found that ;) 15:38:13 <TrueBrain> tnx 15:38:19 <TrueBrain> it just clearly indicate it only works in printf statements :p 15:38:53 <FloSoft> and all other types of format-specified functions (sprintf, vprintf, as i said) they all use the same type of "engine" 15:39:12 <TrueBrain> FloSoft: you gave me the idea that gettext replaced printf 15:39:15 <TrueBrain> which is not what is happening :) 15:39:52 <TrueBrain> cool, gettext also supports plurals 15:40:08 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:11 <glx> of course it does :) 15:40:33 <z-MaTRiX> hey 15:40:38 <TrueBrain> hello z-MaTRiX 15:40:49 <z-MaTRiX> \o/ 15:40:57 <Rubidium> oh... printing 64 bits integers with gettext is going to be fun ;) 15:40:58 <FloSoft> glx: if not it crashes *lol* 15:41:07 <FloSoft> Rubidium: why? 15:41:23 <Rubidium> what's the printf format for 64 bits integers? 15:41:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:41:29 <FloSoft> Rubidium: it only adds a number$ inside the format 15:41:38 <FloSoft> Rubidium: ld or something like that 15:42:10 <glx> Rubidium: depends on the platform/OS 15:42:16 <Rubidium> FloSoft: %lld or %I64d depending on your neighbourhood ;) 15:42:35 <OwenS> The latter is MS is it not? :p 15:42:42 <glx> of course it is :) 15:42:54 <Rubidium> which means 2 translations 15:42:59 <FloSoft> Rubidium: yea okay, but its not the problem? you only write %1$lld 15:43:14 <FloSoft> even msvc accepts lld 15:43:23 <Rubidium> FloSoft: not really... 15:43:26 <glx> but it doesn't work 15:43:37 <FloSoft> oh, okay -.- 15:44:17 <OwenS> Took a while for WINE to implement 64d also 15:46:58 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 15:52:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82593.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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Google terms of use scare me to dead 17:09:43 <Rubidium> tdev: ever read the "Google owns everything" clauses in their terms of service? 17:10:22 <tdev> yup 17:10:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B572.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:09 <tdev> gtg, cu later :) 17:11:10 <Rubidium> so you know that if they want they can own your stuff if they want to, right? 17:11:28 <tdev> well, let them i dont care 17:11:30 <TrueBrain> tdev: bah, I was hoping for more feedback :p :p 17:11:45 <tdev> TrueBrain: what should i say to an empty redmine page? :| 17:11:54 <TrueBrain> tdev: the wiki pages I pointed you to? 17:12:06 <TrueBrain> they contain concept and database layout? :) 17:12:15 <tdev> ah, overlooked that ;) 17:12:16 <tdev> *reading* 17:12:18 <Rubidium> tdev: and I hope you're not storing important mail at gmail 17:12:19 <TrueBrain> .... :p 17:13:08 <tdev> yeah, i bought google apps actually ;) 17:14:09 <tdev> TrueBrain: too much web2.0 for me in there :| 17:14:29 *** sunkan [~sunkan@c-4f6617e4-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 17:14:33 <TrueBrain> in where? 17:14:36 <TrueBrain> in wiki pages?! 17:14:44 <tdev> in your ideas ;) 17:14:49 <tdev> about the authors 17:14:55 <TrueBrain> where in my idea is web2.0, besides the frontend itself? 17:14:56 <tdev> i would want different user levels 17:14:58 <TrueBrain> (which is 10% of WT3.1) 17:15:34 <tdev> also 17:15:46 <tdev> dont coulple it hard to subversion, thats not a good design IMHO 17:15:55 <tdev> write an interface for multiple backends 17:15:58 <TrueBrain> it isn't 17:16:04 <tdev> i would want to store data in sqlite 17:16:08 <TrueBrain> currently it accepts any VCS, but I am even considering removing that 17:16:18 <TrueBrain> did you read all pages? :p 17:16:30 <tdev> half way through 17:16:32 <TrueBrain> ;) 17:16:38 <tdev> and im getting killed if i dont leave 17:16:41 <tdev> will look 17:16:42 <TrueBrain> leave 17:16:44 <TrueBrain> an other time :) 17:16:45 <tdev> later *bookmark* 17:16:46 <tdev> cu 17:16:48 *** tdev [~udev@p508EBFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: free open source vehicle simulator: http://rigsofrods.com] 17:41:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host128-235-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:42:02 <Wolf01> hello 17:43:09 <TrueBrain> howdie Wolf01 17:43:36 <Wolf01> fine thank you ;) 17:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r16968 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 14 changes by silentStatic 17:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:45:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by kinglee 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: malay - 26 changes by rionix88 17:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: persian - 2 changes by 100ra 17:49:51 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 17:51:51 * Belugas yawns 17:51:55 <Belugas> again and again 17:52:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:53:48 <Benny> Ooh, Lakie. :) 17:53:59 <Lakie> yes.... ? 17:54:11 <Benny> Never seen you on IRC before. 17:54:20 <Lakie> Been here for a long time 17:54:37 <Benny> Well, I've never SEEN you. 17:54:44 <TrueBrain> you still don't 17:55:06 <Benny> Um, well.. I can at least see his name. 17:55:15 <Benny> Or nickname.. 17:55:58 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:57:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f960:b2b9:ce95:9453] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:18 *** buckethead [~buckethea@dhcp-077-250-114-225.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f960:b2b9:ce95:9453] has joined #openttd 17:57:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:57:47 <buckethead> hello people 17:58:59 <buckethead> too bad lobster and dave arent here 17:59:09 <buckethead> would've been fun 17:59:14 <planetmaker> ... 17:59:27 <planetmaker> I guess go to #tycoon 17:59:56 <buckethead> does your chat window flick on and off?? 18:00:03 <buckethead> cos mine does 18:00:13 <buckethead> and it hurts me eyes 18:00:30 <planetmaker> then get a proper client 18:00:46 <planetmaker> or configure it properly. Sure it doesn't here. 18:01:14 <glx> using a real client would be a first step 18:01:16 *** buckethead [~buckethea@dhcp-077-250-114-225.chello.nl] has quit [] 18:01:39 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 18:02:07 <glx> This client is a Java application supporting the following CTCP tags : ... 18:02:27 <planetmaker> :-) And now he chats away in #tycoon 18:02:40 <glx> flickering is not surprising with java 18:04:29 <planetmaker> true 18:07:24 <Ammler> WT3.1 useable for newgrfs, too? 18:08:43 <Ammler> Redmine is nice :-) 18:10:06 <Ammler> TrueBrain: which server do you use to run it? 18:10:19 <TrueBrain> Ammler: why? 18:10:22 <TrueBrain> and yes, RedMine is nice 18:10:29 <Ammler> just wondering, I use apache 18:10:35 <TrueBrain> I dunno about NewGRFs, never interested myself in it :p 18:10:37 <TrueBrain> ah, which httpd 18:10:39 <TrueBrain> lighttpd 18:10:54 <Ammler> with fastcgi then, I assume? 18:10:57 <TrueBrain> yup 18:11:41 <Ammler> there are some "special" ror servers 18:12:05 <TrueBrain> yeah ... but I also want 'general' httpd :p 18:12:07 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 18:12:14 <Ammler> :-) 18:15:11 <TrueBrain> Ammler: but if you are interested in having WT3.1 work for NewGRFs, spend some time on how it works and see the website to see if it ss supported 18:15:17 <OwenS> Hmm... I may have to install Redmine behind nginx =) 18:15:52 <TrueBrain> I like that Redmine is really fast :p 18:15:57 <TrueBrain> just ... too much bloat for my taste 18:16:03 <TrueBrain> I can't remove a few thingies I don't like 18:16:15 <Ammler> planetmaker: might know a lot about translations already in both areas ;-) 18:16:28 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Which do you prefer then, Redmine or Trac? :p 18:16:35 <TrueBrain> OwenS: RedMine over Trac 18:16:37 <TrueBrain> Trac is ... SLOW! 18:16:59 <OwenS> I agree.. And the ram consumption... omg the ram consumption! 18:17:01 <Ammler> so does that mean, python slow, ruby fast? 18:17:05 <TrueBrain> nope 18:17:09 <TrueBrain> Trac slow, RedMine fast 18:17:11 <TrueBrain> that is all you can say 18:17:13 <Ammler> :-9 18:17:17 <OwenS> Python generally is faster than Ruby 18:17:32 <TrueBrain> most benchmarks tend to say that, yes 18:17:38 <Ammler> trac has a bit nicer source viewer. 18:17:47 <OwenS> At least until recently CRuby was slower than JRuby. Thats impressively slow! You can write a faster Ruby interpreter in Java than the C ruby interpreter... 18:18:34 <Ammler> but that might be, because redmine supports all well known vcs' 18:18:54 <OwenS> Yeah. Git support <3 18:19:12 <Ammler> well, not really well, 18:19:15 <TrueBrain> either way, I need people to comment on my database design :p 18:21:17 <OwenS> Erm, OpenVPN, when is your tun adaptor coming up? 18:22:01 <OwenS> When I punch a hole in my firewall. Oops :p 18:22:41 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:23:10 <TrueBrain> Ammler: do you know how you enable the tree navigation thingy in RedMine? (for the wiki) 18:25:54 <OwenS> Anyone got a clue why a supposedly business router includes firewall hole punchimg options for "Quake III Arena Server"? 18:26:02 <TrueBrain> oeh, found it :) 18:26:13 <TrueBrain> OwenS: because every sane company runs that game! 18:26:33 <OwenS> "Motorhead Server" - I thought Motorhead were a band?! 18:26:35 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: how do you think you keep your sysadmins pleased? 18:26:58 <Rubidium> uhm... more OwenS :) 18:27:44 <Ammler> TrueBrain: you mean sub pages? 18:27:47 <OwenS> Or why said router is loosing my OpenVPN entries from the list? 18:28:04 <TrueBrain> Ammler: nevermind .. Rename contained the Parent function I was looking for :p 18:28:15 <OwenS> Oh right... Theres a unobvious filter by category thing 18:29:58 <Ammler> are you able to make subpage? Didn't work the last time, I tried. 18:31:17 <TrueBrain> http://85.17.162.189/wiki/webtranslator/Plugin_OpenTTD <- I meant the crumble path 18:31:42 <Ammler> oh, you run the stable 18:31:46 <OwenS> Yaay! My remote server can ping 172.16.0.4! 18:40:11 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:32 <TrueBrain> Ammler: do you know how I can make 'Home' direct to a wiki page? 18:41:12 <frosch123> hmm, why is it so annoying to only have one display at home when you are used to two most of the day :( 18:41:42 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:44:10 * Belugas knows the feeling, frosch123 18:45:02 * frosch123 tries to arrange the windows :/ 18:46:23 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Speaking of welsh, have you seen the Dragons? 18:46:32 <TrueBrain> frosch123: reason I have 2 at home :p 18:48:00 <Belugas> TrueBrain, i don't have 2 screends at home but I can record stuff, me :P 18:48:18 <TrueBrain> GRR 18:48:24 <TrueBrain> I still don't have a mic .. it is too sad to be true 18:50:21 <Belugas> one day, one day. It's just not among your priorities :) 18:51:37 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:51:59 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: dragons? 18:52:50 <TrueBrain> Belugas: no, I just forget :p 18:52:54 <TrueBrain> WT3.1 is more important now :) 18:53:06 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Dragons. 18:53:13 <TrueBrain> I love how a page like RedMine can give your project profesionality with a few clicks :p 18:54:26 *** Benny [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.12/2009070611]] 18:56:07 <Ammler> [20:40] <TrueBrain> Ammler: do you know how I can make 'Home' direct to a wiki page? <-- check routes.rb 18:56:58 <Ammler> in config 19:01:15 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:59 <George> Does anyone know, why FS2673 is closed today, but in in r15592 ? 19:05:17 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 19:05:57 <Belugas> maybe the commiter of 15592 forgot to close FS when commiting? 19:06:22 <Belugas> in that case, it would be frosch123 19:08:50 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 19:09:17 <frosch123> I did not close it intentionally. the task was started as feature request, later a bug was posted as example. the bug was fixed, the feature remained unsolved 19:12:20 <Belugas> haaa.. good explanation 19:14:09 <frosch123> btw. George: do mb's plans with adding a "oversized" cargo class match with you development? 19:15:22 <George> Sorry, what is Oversized class? 19:15:40 <planetmaker> :-D 19:15:46 <planetmaker> that's an answer in itself 19:15:46 <frosch123> lol 19:16:01 <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ECSCargoTypes <- mb added lots of imaginary information to both the ecs cargo and usual cargo page 19:16:12 <frosch123> but it does not seem to refer to any actually existing 19:16:21 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:22 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:18:25 <George> Strange. GLAS Glass 0020 Piece goods; 0400 oversized 19:18:39 <George> I do not know about it 19:18:57 <TrueBrain> I just tried to watch the movie Supernovae ... I turned it off ... 19:18:59 <TrueBrain> omg ... 19:19:07 <George> I also can't understand, what is the profit to have a clas for a single cargo 19:19:19 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: TooMuchIncorrectnessException? 19:19:30 <planetmaker> :-D sounds like 19:19:32 <TrueBrain> in 30 minutes I have seen about 15 things which could not be done 19:19:33 <frosch123> George: Vehicles also have it 19:19:40 <TrueBrain> to start, our sun going supernovae 19:19:49 <Rubidium> hmm, no that can't be it... incorrectness isn't an exception for movies 19:20:16 <George> frosch123: I suppose vehicles is the only cargo to have it 19:20:23 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you can overdo it :) 19:20:24 <George> Glass looks lioke a mistake 19:21:04 <frosch123> hehe, so am I correct that you do not plan to add any oversized-class usage to your vectors? 19:21:51 *** PeterT [~Peter@217.20.134.23] has joined #openttd 19:22:15 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you shouldn't watch anything "movie" or "series" with any expectations w.r.t. any correctness 19:22:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I can take a lot 19:22:33 <TrueBrain> but there are limits 19:22:43 <planetmaker> Rubidium: one needn't have an expectation there, but ^^ 19:22:47 <George> I do not see a problem to provide any new class, but I would like to understand it first 19:22:57 <TrueBrain> a whole city, but only the hospital loses power because of a solar flare 19:23:03 <TrueBrain> the lights go off for 2 secs 19:23:08 <TrueBrain> and then everything is damaged 19:23:13 <planetmaker> George: I think it means things like wind power rotor blades, etc... 19:23:14 <TrueBrain> .... what kind of crappy hostpital is that?! 19:23:14 <frosch123> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Cargos <- at least he defined it :) 19:23:23 <planetmaker> anything transported by means of exceptional transportation 19:26:28 <George> frosch123: I thing this is the right way to use classes 19:27:11 <George> I think MB should have a topic to discuss thing like that with other GRF coders. Or does he has one and I missed it? 19:27:12 <frosch123> which way? :o 19:27:35 <George> frosch123: to use a class for one or two cargoes 19:28:05 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44248 <- no, there is no topic by mb. there is only mine complaining about him :p 19:31:51 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:14 <GregVernon> hmm, how much do people usually make yearly with buses? 19:32:19 <GregVernon> I mean, like per bus? 19:32:20 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:32:20 <OwenS> Oh hell 19:32:23 <George> thank's to pointing it! It would also be cool if you PM me about such a topic ;) when it was created to be sure I see it 19:32:23 <OwenS> Routing does my head in 19:32:35 <planetmaker> due to the limited amount of available classes it would indeed make sense to discuss such introductions, though, beforehand. 19:33:04 <planetmaker> GregVernon: depends very much so on route, cargo, newgrfs, inflation, game date... 19:33:13 <OwenS> I have a feeling I need to change the networking configuration of my zones to make this work.. 19:33:42 *** PeterT [~Peter@217.20.134.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:46 <GregVernon> ah, I see... 19:33:57 <GregVernon> btw, theres inflation in the game? 19:34:15 <planetmaker> depends 19:34:18 <Alberth> if you don't turn it off, yes 19:34:56 <GregVernon> well thats awesome 19:35:12 <Alberth> I wouldn't know, I always turn it off :) 19:35:13 <planetmaker> I usually turn it off 19:35:48 <planetmaker> one thing it makes easier though: to reach the 10k income per vehicle in the score chart 19:37:08 <Alberth> I never reach the year 2050 either :) 19:38:09 <planetmaker> hm, no? I frequently do that, though :-) 19:38:09 * frosch123 only reaches it when testing something using fast forward in a tiny window :/ 19:38:14 <Wolf01> bye 19:38:19 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db074e3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:20 <Alberth> bye 19:38:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host128-235-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:38:27 <planetmaker> cu wolf01 19:38:31 <planetmaker> drat 19:38:37 <Alberth> quick enough this time :) 19:38:44 <planetmaker> :-) 19:40:14 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=805661#p805661 <-- frosch123 you might know the answer :-) - which indeed is interesting IMO 19:40:19 <OwenS> Arg how the hell do I do this?! 19:42:11 <George> frosch123: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=44248&p=805680#p805680 19:43:12 <planetmaker> George: to require that a cargo is only member of one class is IMO not logical 19:43:19 <planetmaker> nor required 19:43:40 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:57 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 19:44:12 <George> I mean value of a mask, not vaule of a bit 19:44:35 <Rubidium> 19:44:50 <planetmaker> you mean: the label should always keep it's cargo classes? 19:45:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:45:00 <planetmaker> that's something I'd like to agree to, too 19:45:32 <George> For example, FERT Fertiliser is0070, but never 0010;0020;0040 19:45:45 <George> planetmaker: yes 19:45:46 <frosch123> at least it would keep vehicle refit mask sane :) 19:45:56 <planetmaker> indeed ^ 19:46:40 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 19:47:13 <planetmaker> but that's now how I understand it. It makes sense to list the respective classes individually on that wiki page 19:47:20 <planetmaker> s/now/not/ 19:48:38 <George> planetmaker: do you mean to move them from page http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Cargos to http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CargoTypes? 19:49:47 <planetmaker> no, I don't think. Though I see arguments for doing so. 19:50:49 <planetmaker> I meant a table entry like " 0020 Piece goods; 0400 oversized " is nicer than "0084 Express, refrigerated " in the cargo class column 19:51:20 <planetmaker> because the first case gives you the numbers which you need to add up, if you code a specific vehicle 19:51:31 <planetmaker> and you might want to give it only one of those numbers :-) 19:58:11 <George> if you mean to write "0004 Express + 0080 refrigerated", than it is fine 19:59:14 <George> but writing "0004 Express; 0080 Refrigerated" is not good, because it can be read as "0004 Express || 0080 Refrigerated", that is very bad 19:59:41 <planetmaker> yes, I meant the first. I never understood it the way ^ 19:59:53 <George> I did 20:00:29 <planetmaker> because - correct me if I'm wrong - that's not possible to implement. 20:00:29 <George> after MB changed the page I understood he plans "||" 20:00:47 <planetmaker> a cargo can have several classes assigned. 20:01:05 <planetmaker> And can be transported, if a vehicle offers to transport the classes 20:01:05 <George> It is possible to have 0004 in one implementation of the ECS and 0080 in the other 20:01:23 <George> It kills Vehicle set 20:01:35 <George> (Refit masks) 20:01:41 <planetmaker> having different implementations in different industries, I agree completely with you, yes 20:01:51 <planetmaker> that's a big no-no 20:05:10 <frosch123> hehe, via pm mb also told me that goods shall become piece goods :) (they are only express; the wiki is wrong currently) 20:05:36 <frosch123> chaning ttdp and ottd is even more no-no :) 20:05:44 <planetmaker> :-) 20:06:27 <planetmaker> from this discussion here, it's my impression that he's heading to breaking all vehicle sets by messing with the definition of the cargo classes for existing labels? 20:06:34 <George> frosch123: Then MB should defin PGOD for piece goods 20:06:40 <planetmaker> (and from what I read in the wiki's history and the forums) 20:06:58 <planetmaker> George: indeed 20:07:23 <frosch123> well, so, if anyone is able to find a revert button on ttdp wiki :) I failed 20:07:36 <DaleStan> There's a "rollback" option somewhere. 20:07:53 <Rubidium> haven't you all figured that mb's wishes must be turned into rules by the others yet? 20:08:47 * DaleStan is suddenly tempted to add a feature to TTDPatch that disables a GRF if an official cargo label has classes that don't match what they should. 20:08:49 <OwenS> planetmaker: Does the ttDP wiki not allow you to edit a historical revision? 20:09:07 <planetmaker> OwenS: not that I know. But I didn't look for that. 20:09:13 <planetmaker> But of course it has history. 20:09:51 <planetmaker> DaleStan: that actually sounds like a feature request well worth considering 20:09:54 * DaleStan is also tempted to do similar things to any cargo classed as both "piece" and "bulk". 20:10:25 <OwenS> planetmaker: On MediaWiki, you edit then save a historical revision to revert 20:11:09 <OwenS> OK. HOW THE HELL HAVE I CONVERTED MY CONFIG TO MAC FORMAT?! 20:11:31 <planetmaker> DaleStan: that again is IMO too specific :-) But defining the class definitions by a standard file - why not? 20:11:37 <Rubidium> by stripping \n instead of \r 20:11:58 <OwenS> Rubidium: It was in unix format :p 20:12:35 <DaleStan> Using unix2mac? :p 20:12:49 <OwenS> I assume I caught Alt+M while saving in nano 20:14:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-3-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:14:21 <Xaroth> that's a whole lot away from ctrl+x :P 20:15:53 <Xaroth> or ctrl o, for that matter 20:17:25 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17:27 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:36 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 20:17:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f960:b2b9:ce95:9453] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the keys are right next to each other... 20:23:18 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDD9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:00 <OwenS> It's a brilliant typo, I agree.. 20:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> brb 20:28:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:01 <Xaroth> getting pissed off at this whole LDAP thing 20:34:47 <frosch123> night 20:34:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff894.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:27 * TrueBrain gives Xaroth a big hug 20:35:39 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: got dune working yet? :o 20:35:45 <TrueBrain> nope 20:35:48 <TrueBrain> stopped working on it 20:35:52 <Xaroth> o_O 20:35:54 <Xaroth> no Dune 2.0? 20:35:58 <Xaroth> OpenDune 20:36:20 <TrueBrain> maybe in time :) 20:36:23 <Xaroth> woot 20:36:24 <TrueBrain> but those darn vehicles don't want to move 20:36:31 <TrueBrain> and I have NO CLUE why not :( 20:36:46 <Xaroth> give it a week, then look back at it 20:36:49 <Rubidium> after ~20 years they're a bit rusty 20:37:31 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: kind of the problem: time won't change it .. 20:37:34 <TrueBrain> I need to trace it somehow 20:37:38 <Xaroth> yeh 20:37:45 <Xaroth> but yer probably too focussed on it now 20:37:46 <TrueBrain> but okay, now first WT3.1 :) 20:37:52 <TrueBrain> got the interest of Debian translators ... :p 20:37:58 <Xaroth> o_O 20:38:20 <Xaroth> so give it a year or two and 4 more versions of it, and we'll see 3.1 in ubuntu \o/ </sarcasm> 20:38:37 <TrueBrain> haha :) 20:38:52 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B746B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:03 <Xaroth> just like it's still got ottd 6.3 as stable latest 20:39:13 <TrueBrain> there is a difference :) 20:39:19 <TrueBrain> WT3 won't be in the package manager 20:39:25 <TrueBrain> it is a tool to use to translate stuff 20:39:34 <Xaroth> true 20:39:49 <TrueBrain> ubuntu for example uses launchpad.net 20:39:53 <TrueBrain> which, for the record, sucks 20:40:02 <TrueBrain> but is better than what Debian uses now :s 20:40:06 <Xaroth> lol 20:40:29 <Xaroth> yay, php-ldap finally works 20:40:34 <TrueBrain> concratz :) 20:40:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af13a46.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:40:57 <Xaroth> now, time to go be lazy and plug smarty into this 20:41:01 <Xaroth> save me from writing my own 20:41:51 <Belugas> plug? someone said plug? 20:41:59 <Xaroth> not buttplug, PLUG 20:42:21 <Belugas> as in: PLUG THE GUITAR, SAM! 20:42:27 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Launchpad probably sucks but will also probably be improved :p 20:42:41 <Xaroth> Belugas: guitar's unplugged atm. 20:42:54 <TrueBrain> OwenS: ever seen how fucking slow that page is? 20:42:56 <Xaroth> not that it matters i can't even play guitar :P 20:43:03 <Belugas> mine is always pluggued. just... at home :( 20:43:07 <OwenS> TrueBrain: No. I've never spent much time on Launchpad :p 20:43:08 <TrueBrain> Belugas: poor thing 20:43:15 <TrueBrain> OwenS: you need a lot of time for a simple visit :p 20:43:21 <Belugas> naaa... will be there in a few moments ;) 20:43:30 <TrueBrain> hmm .. dosbox IRC channel is more empty than this channel 20:43:31 <OwenS> Now, if I could figure out why this traffic won't route! 20:44:21 <Belugas> and now... 20:44:22 <Xaroth> Belugas: teach me how to play guitar kthx. 20:44:23 <Belugas> BYE BYE 20:44:32 <Rubidium> night Belugas 20:44:37 <Belugas> Xaroth, sure, got a few weeks to spear? 20:44:37 <Xaroth> nn Belugas. 20:44:45 * Belugas is now gone 20:44:45 <Xaroth> Belugas: do weekends count? :P 20:44:55 <TrueBrain> bye Belugas :) 20:46:12 <Nite_Owl> Belugas is leaving early <gasps> 20:46:23 <OwenS> ROUTE DAMN TRAFFIC ROUTE! :p 20:47:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16969 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Normalizing transparency gui widget numbers. 20:48:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f960:b2b9:ce95:9453] has joined #openttd 20:48:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:52:16 <TrueBrain> ah, Gentoo did not compile the 'heavy' debugger for DosBox .. 20:52:19 <TrueBrain> this could be interesting :p 20:53:38 <Rubidium> gentoo and compile? so it's rather you didn't compile DosBox with heavy debugger 20:53:50 <Xaroth> wait, gentooooooooo? 20:53:53 <TrueBrain> for the people who want to read into every word I type: 20:54:16 <TrueBrain> Gentoo ebuild with +debug does not configure dosbox to use the heavy debugger, in result it compiles a version with the normal debugger, which doesn't allow memory breakpoints 20:54:17 <TrueBrain> better Rubidium? 20:54:22 <TrueBrain> or you want a cookie with it? 20:54:44 <Rubidium> only physical cookies, not those 'fake' browser cookies 20:54:54 <TrueBrain> and those you can't have 20:55:37 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: watching Star Trek.. again :P 20:55:44 <TrueBrain> who? 20:55:45 <Xaroth> out of boredom from LDAP >:( 20:55:54 <Rubidium> doctor who! 20:56:01 <TrueBrain> yeah 20:56:18 <TrueBrain> I am overloading my HD with IO :p 20:56:49 <TrueBrain> bah, I had to join freenode for dosbox 20:56:51 <TrueBrain> but nobody is there 20:56:54 <TrueBrain> and freenode annoys me already 20:59:13 <Rubidium> you mean it's less active than this channel? 20:59:26 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:37 <Alberth> they have channels were nothing is said for at least 24 hours, just a few (about 10) people logging on and later off again. 21:02:02 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: there are just a few people there ... 21:02:11 <TrueBrain> 40 people, to be exact 21:02:15 <Rubidium> Alberth: yeah, like #openttd.wt2 21:02:24 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that channel is removed now, not? :) 21:02:55 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: don't know; I've got no authority to remove it 21:03:05 <TrueBrain> I removed DorpsGek from it 21:03:09 <TrueBrain> and I guess Belugas left by now :p 21:04:02 <Rubidium> yeah, it's empty just not 'killed' 21:04:07 <Alberth> Rubidium: that is to be expected for such a specific program (unlike WT3.1 :) ), I was talking about python-nl. You'd think there are more users for that topic 21:05:45 <glx> #openttd is locked and redirected to ##openttd (which is still not empty :) ) 21:06:32 <TrueBrain> hmm .. just figured out the memory I was worried about in dune2, is random in dosbox too .. every run other data :p 21:08:01 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:15 <OwenS> TrueBrain: In other words DosBox doesn't zero it's heap 21:08:36 <TrueBrain> OwenS: no, it is not that ... I think it is related to the timer or something 21:08:54 <OwenS> Aah. Cause if it didn't, I'd be wondering how it acquired it... I mean, the kernel gives out zero'd pages 21:13:07 <TrueBrain> what is very weird, that I have data in my memory at a given location .. and dosbox never touches it :s 21:13:41 <Forked> boink. 21:14:06 <Muxy> zim 21:15:43 <TrueBrain> oeh, someone in #dosbox helped me :) 21:15:45 <TrueBrain> yeah! 21:15:47 <TrueBrain> now I have to leave freenode .. 21:15:57 <OwenS> lol why? 21:16:15 <TrueBrain> because it gives me the creeps! 21:16:17 <glx> because he hate freenode :) 21:16:20 <TrueBrain> I so dislike freenode 21:16:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r16970 /trunk/src/transparency_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Transparency window uses nested widgets only. 21:16:26 <TrueBrain> within 2 minutes I got spam 21:16:37 <TrueBrain> something about that I NEED to register myself at nickserv 21:16:47 <TrueBrain> really, wtf? And if I dont? Will you punish me? 21:17:11 <TrueBrain> spank me like you mean it? 21:17:43 <OwenS> I was gonna say OFTC did the same to me but it actually complained I was trying to identify against the unregistered nick OwenSX48BD... 21:17:55 <TrueBrain> :p 21:17:58 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Christel might ;) 21:18:19 <TrueBrain> OwenS: OFTC tells me I have a name which is registered, and I should identify if it is me 21:18:21 <TrueBrain> that is acceptable 21:18:31 <TrueBrain> and it does it via a nice notice 21:18:33 <OwenS> I'm waiting until I have two ghosts and have to use OwenSX28AC [<-- Using microcontroller names is fun] 21:18:39 <TrueBrain> not via a message I get in all channels :s 21:19:01 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: I like to sound of that, where can I sign up? 21:19:47 <Prof_Frink> Of course, you might get Dave2 instead. That would be bad. 21:20:04 <TrueBrain> yup 21:20:15 <TrueBrain> it seems you hang out too much on freenode 21:20:43 <Prof_Frink> Worse. I hang out in #lugradio. 21:21:53 <Yexo> good night 21:21:58 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 21:23:34 <Nite_Owl> see Prof_Frink you frightened away Yexo with your #lugradio reference 21:25:33 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177235115.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 21:27:49 <TrueBrain> haha, I think I found the problem of my memory differences ... :) 21:28:04 <OwenS> :) 21:28:06 <OwenS> I'm kinda disturbed 21:28:08 <OwenS> No spam for 24h 21:28:19 <TrueBrain> from me? :p 21:28:28 <OwenS> No, e-mail 21:28:37 <TrueBrain> bah, and I just started my mail bomber 21:28:39 <TrueBrain> sorry ... 21:28:41 <OwenS> lol 21:29:00 <OwenS> Enabling the SpamHaus Policy Blocklist worked... And it only blocks IP ranges which the owners of say shouldn't be making direct SMTP transactions anyway :p 21:29:34 <TrueBrain> I have programmed my own filtering system 21:29:37 <TrueBrain> works perfectly :) 21:29:45 <OwenS> I.E. it blocks end user DHCP pools, AKA the vast swathes of infected Windows machines =) 21:29:47 <TrueBrain> we offer 99% spam-free mailboxes :) 21:29:51 <TrueBrain> truth is around 99.9% 21:30:15 <Alberth> OwenS: simple but effective 21:30:37 <TrueBrain> 12% is hold by SPF record, 75% by blacklist/blocklist 21:30:49 <TrueBrain> the rest is greylist, SMTP errors, ... 21:30:59 <OwenS> Reminds me to enable SPF in Postfix. And re-add my SPF records 21:31:06 <TrueBrain> SPF is _very_ useful 21:31:16 <TrueBrain> if you want to email me direct, use SPF :p Else you are delayed for at least 5 minutes :) 21:31:28 <TrueBrain> same goes for all openttd.org mail traffic :p 21:31:45 <TrueBrain> just configure it correctly .. I see too many broken SPF records :p 21:31:47 <OwenS> My SPF record is nice and simple to. "All mail comes from my MX. If it doesn't, it's not from me" 21:31:58 <TrueBrain> it should be like that 21:32:08 <TrueBrain> I see SPF records which say: mail can come from any server 21:32:11 <TrueBrain> yeah .... useful .... 21:32:12 <OwenS> Ouch 21:32:23 <TrueBrain> if you go for softfail, I can understand that 21:32:24 <OwenS> Incidentally, shouldn't MX eventually be replaced by SVR? :p 21:32:27 <TrueBrain> hardfail can be nasty 21:32:30 <TrueBrain> but *? 21:32:37 <TrueBrain> like ever 21:33:01 <OwenS> I mean, everything else is SVR these days... 21:33:10 <TrueBrain> what uses SVR? 21:33:11 <TrueBrain> XMPP 21:33:16 <TrueBrain> that is the only one I know of 21:33:17 <OwenS> Kerberos 21:33:18 <OwenS> LDAP 21:33:46 <TrueBrain> but oaky .. why not put http in SVR? 21:33:51 <TrueBrain> and .. well .. everything in SVR :p 21:34:18 <OwenS> _http._tcp.domain.com SVR server.domain.com 80 10 heh 21:34:21 <TrueBrain> SIP uses SVR too .. sometimes 21:34:34 <TrueBrain> I mean, SVR redesignes the whole DNS within the DNS protocol 21:34:36 <TrueBrain> I think it is silly 21:35:25 <OwenS> In XMPP/MX type roles it works well 21:37:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-3-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:07 <Alberth> bye all 21:38:11 <TrueBrain> night Alberth 21:38:37 <OwenS> The purpose of SVR is to allow multiple services on different servers to share a domain :p 21:38:41 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:40:04 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I guess it could by design also do things like correct Round Robin :p 21:42:20 <OwenS> Random but tangenitally related tangent: I've always wanted to build a massively distributed DHT based caching system 21:43:32 <OwenS> Basically using P2P technology to cache static content at the ISP level 21:43:34 <TrueBrain> DHT? Remind me? 21:43:45 <OwenS> Distributed Hash Table 21:43:51 <TrueBrain> why would you want that? 21:44:15 <OwenS> URL gets fed into cache -> DHT performs lookup, and if it's in the cache somewhere in the world, can grab it without going to the origin 21:44:45 <TrueBrain> ask an ISP if you can do that ;) 21:45:02 *** [1]GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 21:45:05 <TrueBrain> if I was such an ISP, I would let you :) 21:45:15 <OwenS> Need to design it first of course :p 21:45:21 <TrueBrain> oeh, memory problem 'solved' :) I read the wohle EXE file in memory, instead of only the part indicated ;) 21:45:33 <OwenS> Hehe 21:45:58 <glx> overwriting vital part of the memory ? 21:46:07 <TrueBrain> glx: no, it doesn't really matter 21:46:11 <TrueBrain> just comparing was harder 21:46:20 <glx> ha 21:46:36 <TrueBrain> I doubt it fixed my rpoblem 21:46:38 <TrueBrain> but we can check :) 21:46:42 <OwenS> Each 1U unit would probably contain about 256 single chip nodes each of which participates in the cache system 21:47:24 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I once designed a webserver based on RISC CPUs 21:47:32 <TrueBrain> you put N of such chips in a single server 21:47:40 <TrueBrain> and it can host tons of static files 21:47:44 <TrueBrain> for 3W per chip :p 21:48:06 <TrueBrain> nah, dune2 unit movement problems still not fixed :( 21:48:09 <OwenS> These would be special RISC CPUs with useful functions... Like XOR a 128-bit value 21:49:09 <OwenS> Each unit would probably also contain a few "L2 cache" nodes with a blob of SD RAM attached 21:49:37 <Xaroth> OwenS: you're keeping TrueBrain from making OpenDune :P 21:49:45 <OwenS> lol 21:49:49 <TrueBrain> LOL 21:49:57 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I don't see you contributing 21:50:03 <TrueBrain> :p 21:50:08 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: I'm trying to figure out C/C++ :/ 21:50:23 <TrueBrain> fair enough :p 21:50:26 <Xaroth> seeing it's more likely of me learning C/C++ than you learning C# :P 21:50:32 <Xaroth> and that's saying a LOT 21:50:37 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 21:50:41 *** GregVernon [~Greg@user-0c9aat3.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:41 *** [1]GregVernon is now known as GregVernon 21:50:53 <TrueBrain> okay, I have a dosbox cpu dump 21:51:00 <TrueBrain> and a libemu cpu dump (libemu = my emulator) 21:51:05 <TrueBrain> just .. in different formats :p 21:51:21 <OwenS> lol 21:51:40 <TrueBrain> how to compare easily .. hmm ... 21:51:45 <Rubidium> nothing awk/sed shouldn't be able to solve ;) 21:52:03 <TrueBrain> emu_movw(&emu_get_memory16(emu_cs, 0x00, 0x291), emu_dx.x) against mov cs:[0291],dx cs:[0291]=0000 21:52:05 <TrueBrain> you tell me :p 21:52:34 <Xaroth> o_O 21:52:36 <TrueBrain> I can correct most things I guess .. 21:52:44 <Xaroth> s/emu_// ? 21:52:45 <TrueBrain> as I am only really interested in register-values 21:54:52 <OwenS> You don't print the value of dx :p 21:55:07 <TrueBrain> no, it prints the current value of cs:[0291] 21:55:14 <OwenS> Aah :p 21:55:43 <OwenS> Value after the insn I assume? 21:55:49 <TrueBrain> nope 21:55:50 <TrueBrain> before 21:55:52 <TrueBrain> the dx value is after it 21:55:59 <TrueBrain> 01F7:00000003 mov cs:[0291],dx cs:[0291]=0000 EAX:00000000 EBX:00000000 ECX:000000FF EDX:0000353F ESI:00000000 EDI:00000080 EBP:0000091C ESP:00000080 DS:01E7 ES:01E7 FS:0000 GS:0000 SS:3EEE CF:0 ZF:0 SF:0 OF:0 AF:0 PF:0 IF:1 21:56:01 <TrueBrain> is the full line 21:56:06 <OwenS> Aah 21:56:13 <OwenS> At least REX is illegal in real mode :p 21:56:15 <glx> sane format I'd say 21:56:28 <TrueBrain> yup, very sane format 21:56:43 <OwenS> Why print all the flags seperately rather than just EFLAGS: ? :p 21:56:53 <TrueBrain> because now you know what flags is what 21:56:54 <TrueBrain> dah :p 21:57:27 <glx> cs is a register ? 21:57:33 <TrueBrain> CodeSegment, yes of course 21:57:44 <glx> I don't see it in the dump 21:57:48 <OwenS> 01F7 21:58:02 <glx> of course 21:58:03 <Tefad> CZSOAPI: 0000001 21:58:25 <TrueBrain> Tefad: you were right btw on the memory breakpoint 21:58:37 <Tefad> uh what? 21:58:46 <TrueBrain> you were the one who said that, right? 21:58:50 <TrueBrain> dosbox and memory breakpoint 21:58:52 <TrueBrain> or was it tekky? 21:58:54 <TrueBrain> can't remember 21:58:56 <OwenS> My CPU only has two flags. If I wasn't intending to implement a 16-bit compressed instruction format mode, activated by the LSB of the address, I'd be tempted to stash them in the IP when I push both at once (Mainly interrupts) 21:58:57 <Tefad> probably not me. 21:58:59 <TrueBrain> both starts with Te and is 5 letters long :p 22:00:42 <Rubidium> DaleStan: have you read my IRC PM regarding nforenum and the compile farm? 22:01:24 <TrueBrain> good candidate for a problem: SF:1 in my code, SF:0 in DOSBox code .. 22:01:31 <TrueBrain> just I wish I knew which code it was about .. :p 22:01:34 <OwenS> Aah, sign flag :p 22:03:28 <TrueBrain> happens after an AND statement 22:03:33 <TrueBrain> and wide signextended 22:03:39 <TrueBrain> maybe the sign extension goes wrong .. 22:04:36 <TrueBrain> euhm .. the problem is more hurtful :s 22:05:24 <Xaroth> uh oh 22:05:36 <OwenS> What is it then? 22:05:36 <Xaroth> that sounds like a delay in the release of OD :o 22:05:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:05:51 <TrueBrain> well ... I have a sfw() function and sfb() function 22:05:54 <TrueBrain> one for words, one for bytes 22:05:57 <TrueBrain> in general it is bad to mix those up :p 22:06:13 <glx> and you just did that ? 22:06:14 <Xaroth> hah 22:06:21 <TrueBrain> only for and! 22:06:52 <TrueBrain> not that it changed anything ... 22:06:58 <glx> but and is the most used (with or) I think 22:07:12 <TrueBrain> glx: but the SF flag is rarely checked 22:07:20 *** eleusis [~eleusis@124-169-213-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:07:59 <glx> except by dune2 it seems ;) 22:08:06 <TrueBrain> not to say 22:08:09 <TrueBrain> just a random bug :) 22:08:11 <TrueBrain> I expect more ;) 22:08:16 <DaleStan> Rubidium: Part of it, but I managed to miss the link to the patch. 22:08:21 <DaleStan> Until just now, that is. 22:10:11 *** el[cube] [~eleusis@203-206-42-33.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:16 <TrueBrain> okay, testing now if that changed anything ... 22:11:04 <TrueBrain> nope ... not a thing 22:12:15 <DaleStan> And thanks for your work on this, Rubidium. 22:13:05 <Rubidium> DaleStan: you're fine with the settings? 22:15:02 <DaleStan> They look OK to me, but the "OpenTTD requires the original version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files..." paragraph on download-nforenum seems confusing at best. 22:15:49 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 22:16:18 <DaleStan> Only thing I know about the PPC problem is that someone (planet maker, maybe?) fixed his problems by using the latest SVN (or whatever) version of gcc. 22:16:29 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 22:16:31 <Rubidium> DaleStan: good point ;) 22:19:08 <OwenS> Random question: Is the netx party for r20000 or r25000? :p 22:19:12 <planetmaker> DaleStan: the 4.0.0 version won't compile it with a quite general error along the lines of "error in C-style template" while 4.5 compiles it. 22:19:17 <planetmaker> so yes 22:19:24 <TrueBrain> if you host, 17000 :p 22:19:28 <TrueBrain> (oh, and arrange our travel :p) 22:20:09 <planetmaker> I didn't test 4.4 though 22:20:26 <planetmaker> Later I read that it fixes that problem, too 22:20:34 <planetmaker> iirc 22:20:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker/DaleStan: the compile farm uses the latest (as of 3 months ago) GCC (4.2) that Apple ships 22:21:09 <planetmaker> if it doesn't complain, it's fine. 22:21:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it doesn't complain, but it segfaults (at least for you) 22:21:56 <planetmaker> well, that's another error than I had :-) 22:22:25 <planetmaker> but yes. 22:28:12 *** Svish|eee [~Svish@84.20.108.18] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:29:41 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.145.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 22:30:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-22-43.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:42 <TrueBrain> I open Firefox, press some random button (happened), and it opens a random page .. qmusic.de .. what? :p 22:36:42 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 22:36:45 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:39:46 <OwenS> I want my VPS' network connection =( 22:40:19 <planetmaker> and it still occurs 22:43:42 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDD9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 22:43:54 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: your germanophile side coming through? :p 22:44:26 <TrueBrain> where? 22:44:32 <TrueBrain> fuck .. fixed even more flags, still not working :( 22:44:44 <Eddi|zuHause> opening a .de site? 22:44:53 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: ah .. yes .. I guess 22:50:35 <TrueBrain> dosbox always says file 5 .. 22:50:37 <TrueBrain> how annoying 22:53:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B773A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:54:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> how very annoying indeed 22:56:58 <TrueBrain> still no luck :'( 22:57:05 <TrueBrain> oh well .. at least fixed a few more errors :) 22:57:06 <TrueBrain> night all!! 22:57:13 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: sorry .. maybe some day :p 22:58:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B746B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:46 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: I'm patient :) 22:59:59 <Xaroth> besides, I haven't learnt C yet :) 23:01:38 <OwenS> Night 23:03:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:04:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82593.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:29 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B821BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:06:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:10:40 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B751D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:13:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16971 /extra/website/frontpage/ (templates/frontpage/download.html views.py): [Website] -Change: don't show that OpenTTD requires TTD data file for non-OpenTTD downloads 23:15:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B773A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:15:53 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 23:16:36 <Rubidium> DaleStan: http://www.openttd.org/download-nforenum now without mentioning that it needs TTD data files 23:20:15 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 23:21:53 <Rubidium> if you ever want to redirect to a specific precompiled version use http://www.openttd.org/download-nforenum/r2158 . Human 'raw' searching via http://binaries.openttd.org/extra/nforenum/ (use index.xml for tools). Build logs under <revision>/logs 23:26:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-22-43.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B751D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@S0106000f3d50466b.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:13 <Zuu> Has it been observed that the changelog.txt for last nightly and the one yesterday were zero size? 23:42:36 <Rubidium> not those instances specifically 23:42:44 <Rubidium> but... it's a subversion bug 23:43:15 <Rubidium> it's solved in some newer version of subversion 23:43:46 <Rubidium> but upgrading subversion means upgrading all subversions all over the repository (due to working copy 'upgrades') 23:44:31 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5af13a46.wfd107.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:09 <Rubidium> and because the compile farm consists of about 10 'different' VMs, that'd mean upgrading 10 subversions and their dependencies 23:46:59 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-245-188.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:47:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.141.206] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2] 23:54:30 <Zuu> Hmm, I recall now that last time it also was because of subversion. Do you want me to continue to report when it becomes zero size? 23:54:58 <Rubidium> Zuu: there's hardly anything we can do about it 'easily' 23:55:30 <Zuu> Okay, I understand. 23:56:56 <Zuu> I will try to remember that next month or so or whenever it happens again that it is not easily recoverable. 23:58:06 <Rubidium> it should solve itself in a few thousand revisions though ;) 23:58:40 <OwenS> Rubidium: Is the plan currently to stay on Subversion for the forseeable future? 23:59:06 <Rubidium> OwenS: why not? 23:59:22 <OwenS> Just wondering. Lots of projects seem to be migrating away these days 23:59:29 <OwenS> (And I understand why)