Log for #openttd on 5th August 2009:
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01:54:16  <Aali> is it a feature or a bug that when trains are moving into depots, they wont stop until all trains have stopped moving?
01:55:31  <Aali> as in, I can't modify a train that is in the depot while another one is still entering
01:55:45  <Aali> because the red flag is still green
01:56:02  <Aali> only when the last train has fully entered the depot do they really stop
01:56:09  <Aali> in r17057
01:56:14  <Rubidium> train or wagon?
01:57:36  <Rubidium> I can just modify trains that are stopped in the depot when another train enters
01:57:47  <Rubidium> can't modify non-stopped trains though
01:57:49  <Aali> well
01:58:19  <Aali> the problem is that a train that has fully entered the depot hasn't stopped, because another one is entering
01:58:43  <Aali> once the second train enters, they both stop
01:59:21  <Rubidium> that doesn't make sense
01:59:26  <Aali> I know
01:59:29  <Aali> thats why I asked
01:59:36  <Rubidium> because the distance between trains is quite large
01:59:40  <Aali> it shouldn't be happening
01:59:47  <Aali> but somehow it did
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02:00:39  <Rubidium> got a savegame somewhere?
02:01:28  <Aali> it may be relevant that both trains were going for autoreplace first, then were told to go to nearest depot (before they reached it)
02:01:35  <Aali> I'll try to reproduce it
02:01:52  <Aali> got it
02:03:42  <Aali>
02:04:04  <Aali> required newgrfs should be available via content service
02:04:39  <Aali> train 14 is in the depot, train 23 is entering
02:04:55  <Aali> they both have green flags and they both stop once train 23 is in the depot
02:05:08  <Rubidium> got a save from just before this happens?
02:05:38  <Aali> no but I was able to reproduce it easily
02:06:02  <Aali> I'll see what I can do
02:07:31  <Rubidium> I can 'reproduce' the 'output', but in my case it's kind of valid; when a train enters start another train and order it to go into the depot
02:07:53  <Aali> well, thats not what I did
02:07:58  <Aali> atleast not directly
02:10:31  * Rubidium is off to bed though
02:11:23  <Aali> hmm, it's easily reproducable by letting a train go halfway out the depot and then tell it to go back in while another train is waiting to go in at the signal
02:11:47  <Aali> thats not what I did to trigger it originally, but there's obivously some kind of issue here
02:11:53  <Aali> *obviously
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06:49:37  <dihedral> dumdidum
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07:14:36  <dihedral> <- wtf?
07:21:33  <pavel1269> QA: 74ticks :-)
07:21:40  <pavel1269> dunno why he wonders ...
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07:55:09  <TrueBrain> WASSUP!!!!
07:56:00  <TrueBrain> (that was scary, right?)
07:59:43  <Noldo_> (no)
08:00:11  <TrueBrain> I hate you
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08:01:10  <TrueBrain> morning Alberth
08:01:13  <Noldo_> *sob*
08:01:16  <Alberth> good morning
08:03:08  <Alberth> TrueBrain: the HG repo does not have the last 2 revisions, maybe something dropped dead?
08:05:41  <TrueBrain> who knows
08:05:53  <TrueBrain> yeah, process was killed
08:06:24  <welshdragon> Good Morning #openttd
08:09:31  <TrueBrain> something is broken ..
08:09:40  <TrueBrain> abort: journal already exists - run hg recover!
08:09:41  <TrueBrain> svn: URL 'file:///var/repos/svn/openttd/3rdparty' non-existent in that revision
08:11:31  <Alberth> wow
08:13:01  <TrueBrain> no idea why it tries to access 3rdparty
08:13:37  <Rubidium> probably something with not enough memory or so
08:13:58  <TrueBrain> now there is enough mem
08:14:04  <TrueBrain> still it tries to access 3rdparty dir
08:14:07  <TrueBrain> (I fixed the rest)
08:14:52  <TrueBrain> ah, fixed :)
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08:17:37  <Alberth> thank you!
08:17:48  <TrueBrain> you are very welcome
08:17:54  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: btw, short night?
08:18:07  <TrueBrain> k, hg and git are in sync again
08:18:24  <TrueBrain> there were a few permission errors :)
08:21:54  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: more sleeplessness
08:22:23  <TrueBrain> :s
08:22:39  * TrueBrain hits Rubidium with a brick, maybe that helps? :)
08:23:47  <blathijs> very considerate :-)
08:23:58  <TrueBrain> you know me ;)
08:26:14  * Rubidium bricks TB's xbox
08:26:51  <TrueBrain> what did he do wrng :(
08:26:58  <TrueBrain> he never did anything to deserve that :(
08:27:27  <Rubidium> stealing time you should've spent on other, more important, things
08:27:39  <TrueBrain> like? :p
08:28:25  <Rubidium> WT3, dune, ...
08:28:32  <TrueBrain> dune sucks!!
08:28:47  <TrueBrain> I can't find it ... it annoys the hell out of me ..
08:28:56  <TrueBrain> and WT3.1 is getting along just fine:
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08:29:00  <TrueBrain> and WT3.1 is getting along just fine:
08:29:02  <TrueBrain> typo :p
08:29:35  <blathijs> noaddedsugar?
08:29:47  <blathijs> Cool, you're porting WT to django? :-D
08:29:54  <TrueBrain> yeah .. I needed a temp domain, and dihedral had it :p
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08:30:00  <TrueBrain> blathijs: WT3.0 is running on Django
08:30:08  <TrueBrain> so nothing to port, just to rewrite
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08:30:35  <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, cool. Never knew that.
08:30:38  <blathijs> Yay for django :-)
08:30:39  <TrueBrain> :)
08:30:41  <TrueBrain> Yup
08:30:43  * dihedral likes the domain name ^^
08:30:45  <TrueBrain> had a few drawbacks, but okay
08:30:55  <TrueBrain> it can give WAY too many and inefficient queries
08:31:06  <TrueBrain> and as WT3 is one big layer around the database .... it can be very slow
08:31:52  <blathijs> The instructions on the mainpage are slightly confusing, took me a bit to find out that the first "Start a project" means a django project, and the second means a WT project
08:32:06  <TrueBrain> yeah, it isn't meant to be clear :p
08:32:23  <Nite_Owl> Mwhahaha - Rise my minions - The time is ripe for us to attack
08:33:01  <blathijs> TrueBrain: True, but it still leaves the option open for custom SQL I think? Also, the lazyness of the SQL implementation makes it a lot more efficient than something similar in PHP I guess
08:33:06  <Nite_Owl> Ooops - sorry wrong channel
08:33:34  <TrueBrain> blathijs: yeah, but custom SQLs don't invalidate objects .. so all by all, a bit tricky :)
08:33:36  <blathijs> TrueBrain: What's the story behind the domain name?
08:33:46  <TrueBrain> best way I found so far is reading everything at once, and store it in a Python object
08:33:52  <TrueBrain> blathijs: dihedral had it unused, I needed a domain
08:33:53  <TrueBrain> 1 + 1 ;)
08:34:02  <blathijs> TrueBrain: Is WT already used by other projects? I see Civ4 and gettext in the feature list?
08:34:15  <TrueBrain> well, not used, just many interest
08:34:26  <TrueBrain> Debian translators and TortoiseSVN are on board
08:34:36  <blathijs> Nice :-)
08:34:51  <blathijs> I was already thinking of Debian translations, indeed
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08:35:01  <TrueBrain> there were very ... enthousiastic :)
08:35:06  <TrueBrain> there = they
08:35:21  <dihedral> story behind the domain name: i was looking for a domain name, and saw a sainsburrie's lemon squash bottle, with a blue lable around it saying "no added sugar"
08:35:58  <Rubidium> that's lame story...
08:36:10  <blathijs> dihedral: You were just looking for a domain for your collection? :-p
08:36:23  <dihedral> i was working on a project at that time
08:36:29  <dihedral> a cms
08:36:38  <Rubidium> I like: TrueBrain is somewhat of a sugar junkie and in good spirit with his previous big OpenTTD project...
08:36:41  <dihedral> some 6 years ago
08:37:32  <dihedral> btw: <- a nice, and honest reply Rubidium
08:40:48  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I like that too :)
08:40:56  <TrueBrain> truth is, I hope to own a much better domain in 60 more days
08:41:15  <TrueBrain> it takes so long before a domain drops .. even then the chances are incredible slim you will get the domain :(
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08:46:16  <blathijs> TrueBrain: What domain?
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08:46:31  <TrueBrain> blathijs: not going to tell :p Else others might steal it :p
08:47:33  * dihedral knows :-P
08:47:44  <dihedral> how about i sell it to you TrueBrain :-D
08:48:04  <TrueBrain> I give you one dollar
08:48:19  <dihedral> nope... :-P
08:48:25  <dihedral> then i'll just park it with sedo :-D
08:48:33  <TrueBrain> ass
08:48:37  <dihedral> ^^
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08:56:03  <TrueBrain> zweiKarl
08:56:13  <planetmaker> nKarl
08:56:26  <planetmaker> let's abstract a bit ;-)
08:56:30  * Rubidium votes for KeinKarl ;)
08:56:38  * TrueBrain seconds
09:02:44  <einKarl> KeinKarl ;) says Hello, Good Morning - and bye. CU
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09:15:27  <TrueBrain> weirdo
09:19:59  <dihedral> lol
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09:43:53  <Rubidium> :O the return of the one and only real instance of Peter!
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09:55:03  <petern> possibly
09:55:36  <petern> newgrf.cpp's list of text id changes might need to be expanded a bit since r17060/4... pom te pom
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10:06:23  <andythenorth> dilemma!  I have someone contributing FISH graphics unsolicited.  They are ok, but not my taste.  How do I say no and still be nice?
10:11:09  <Rubidium> just say no and tell him that if he wants to only draw stuff he should have a look at OpenGFX
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11:32:44  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17065 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange: reorder last 1/3 of the strings. Hope it makes a bit more sense now
11:33:35  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: now you may review the english language file :)
11:33:55  <Rubidium> or do a reorder commit ;)
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11:46:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm going to screw up my system once again...
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11:48:35  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17066 /trunk/src/lang/ (52 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: unify the order of {TINYFONT}/{BIGFONT} and {<colour>}
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12:35:59  <Belugas> hello
12:36:30  <Rubidium> hi Belugas
12:36:36  <planetmaker> salut Belugas
12:37:00  <Belugas> salut planetmaker, alors, ca boume ma poule?
12:37:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17067 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix (r17064): local authority window got messed up a bit; also move OS names to a more logical place.
12:37:21  <Belugas> hello Rubidium and good day, Master of Puppets ;)
12:37:49  <Belugas> puppets...  hang by strings... string commits...
12:37:55  * Belugas runs for coffee
12:38:29  <Rubidium> oh, I thought you were guessing the music I was listening too when I was doing that ;)
12:41:07  <Eddi|zuHause> "ca boume ma poule?" <- that sounds naughty...
12:43:19  <Eddi|zuHause> gaaah.... something screwed up and i lost all my filters :(
12:43:20  <planetmaker> I cannot say I can understand it either... A literal translation doesn't make sense
12:43:33  <Rubidium> translator tools can't make sense of it either
12:45:04  <Rubidium> even word-by-word translation fails :(
12:45:13  <glx> of course they fail :)
12:45:21  <planetmaker> :-)
12:45:35  <Rubidium> and my translation will probably be quite incorrect (unsafe for this channel though)
12:45:46  <planetmaker> it is some kind of fixed saying... but even then the dictionaries I checked don't know it.
12:49:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17068 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Change: make a number of strings more consistent with their relatives
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12:52:08  <Belugas> "ca boume"  ->  is it going well?  "ma poule"  -> my dear
12:52:15  <Belugas> buwahahaa
12:52:51  <Belugas> strange, Rubidium, i did not expected you to listen to heavy metal :)  how surprising how little i know you ;)
12:53:30  <Rubidium> Belugas: the question is, when is something heavy metal?
12:54:08  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: yeah, but the phrase could be full of double meanings...
12:54:31  <Eddi|zuHause> for someone who doesn't know the cultural connotations
12:54:32  <Rubidium> so nothing with banging in your pool?
12:54:52  <Rubidium> Belugas: you know Apocalyptica?
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12:57:14  <petern> praa, paa paa, pa pa, pa pa pa, paaa
12:57:40  <Eddi|zuHause> petern learns to talk?
12:57:57  <petern> it's from a flaming lips song
12:58:23  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: the "my dear" part i could find on leo, but not the "going well" part
12:59:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i only have one flaming lips song...
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13:05:00  <Belugas> Rubidium, yes, indeed.  now it makes sens :)
13:05:36  <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, it's the equivalent of slang, i'd say.  but for french.  but honestly, i'm not sure at all it's still used in France
13:05:45  <Belugas> that, glx would confirm :)
13:06:57  <Belugas> Elton, paul, Delph[Net], no matter how the nick is formed, the connection is still crap, as i can see
13:07:40  <glx> Belugas: it's very friendly :)
13:07:45  <glx> so not very used
13:10:39  <planetmaker> :-)
13:12:46  <Belugas> lol
13:12:49  <Belugas> ok :D
13:13:40  <petern> hmm, "heavy metal"
13:14:23  <planetmaker> Apocalyptica is just great.
13:16:27  <Pygma> Belugas: What language was "Ca boume ma poule"?
13:17:30  <Prof_Frink> Mmm, symphonic metal.
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13:21:31  <Belugas> Pygma: french
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13:21:55  <Pygma> Oh, probably should've known that, since I did French in school, but was always terrible at languages :(
13:22:14  <Belugas> petern, if you think what i think, it's time to switch to DeathMole...
13:22:24  <petern> i think you're right
13:25:56  <Belugas> :D
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13:38:53  <Eddi|zuHause> so... i managed to salvage some of my filters from a trunkated file... but i'm sure i forgot some...
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14:12:51  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17069 /trunk/src/saveload/station_sl.cpp: -Fix (r17004): invalid read when converting old waypoints
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14:30:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17070 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Codechange: some minor fixes to the order in english.txt
14:33:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17071 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: give a better error message when trying to make road one-way when it doesn't belong to you
14:34:58  <planetmaker> "Plane Crash!{}Aircraft ran out of fuel, {COMMA} die in fireball" <--- what actually explodes, if there's no fuel left?!
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14:35:16  <petern> humans
14:35:21  <petern> spontaneous combustion
14:35:26  <planetmaker> oh, right :-P
14:35:39  <petern> also, there's still vapours left
14:37:04  <Rubidium> and vapours are explosive, liquids aren't
14:37:04  <pavel1269> lol ... :-)
14:37:09  <planetmaker> but despite that, crashes w/o fuel tend to be with quite little fire ;-)
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15:10:48  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17072 /trunk/src/ai/api/ -Fix: don't let squirrel export make a 'stub' for ai_changelog.hpp
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15:48:28  <Eddi|zuHause> so. apparently the "tim taylor" approach doesn't solve my stability problems either
15:54:11  <Alberth> You remind me of that cartoon where a sys-admin is standing on a computer to reach something, and remarks 'hmm, this NT system is quite stable'
16:00:23  <Eddi|zuHause> i meant "more power" ...
16:00:49  <Eddi|zuHause> because someone suggested it might be an insufficient power supply
16:07:23  <Cybertinus> Eddi|zuHause: cooling problems? Don't know which symptons you have, so don't know if that could be the problem.
16:08:46  <Eddi|zuHause> Cybertinus: various symptoms. mostly the computer suddenly freezing
16:08:58  <Eddi|zuHause> or suddenly shutting down
16:09:01  <Belugas> too much cooling?
16:09:15  <Cybertinus> lol Belugas
16:09:34  <Cybertinus> Eddi|zuHause: hmm. That could be cooling problems
16:09:47  <Cybertinus> install some program to monitor the CPU and motherboard temp
16:09:53  <Eddi|zuHause> and the problem gets less when i underclock the computer
16:10:05  <Eddi|zuHause> the case is open and i have a big fan in front of it
16:10:08  <Cybertinus> Everest (Windows) can show the temps in your system tray
16:10:15  <Eddi|zuHause> and the processor temperature is ~50?C
16:10:21  <Cybertinus> idle or load?
16:10:50  <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't really have anything to do with load
16:11:01  <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes it freezes right after booting
16:11:13  <Eddi|zuHause> when starting up X
16:11:33  <Cybertinus> ok
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16:11:53  <Cybertinus> a memtest86 test sounds also like a good idea
16:11:54  <Eddi|zuHause> i occasionally suspected the graphics card, but i could not confirm it
16:12:42  <Eddi|zuHause> i did that, switching memory did not help either
16:13:17  <Cybertinus> ok
16:13:29  <Eddi|zuHause> the problem worsened over time
16:13:58  <Eddi|zuHause> the funny thing is, when i set the clock to the values when i originally got the computer, even memtest freezes
16:14:52  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17073 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Codechange: constify iec_prefixes[], change the code around a bit
16:16:40  <Cybertinus> that is not good :p
16:17:21  <_ln> have you visually observed the condition of capacitors?
16:18:28  <petern> flux!
16:18:34  <petern> jigawatts!
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16:21:57  <_ln> the regular ones
16:23:22  <Belugas> mycurrent capacitor is empty. i guess it's lunch time
16:25:04  <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: they didn't blow up yet
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16:25:38  <Belugas> silly question, but still: do trains use "motor" breaks like cars and trucks can?
16:26:14  <frosch123> "what?"
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16:26:19  <Eddi|zuHause> trains use many different brakes
16:26:22  <Chruker> isnt that the primary breaking thing on eletric trains?
16:26:51  <Eddi|zuHause> modern (high speed) trains use electromagnetic brakes
16:27:25  <frosch123> i was sat in a dmu, which needed diesel for both accelerating and braking
16:27:33  <frosch123> s/was/once/
16:27:55  <frosch123> which feeled quite weird
16:28:02  <Eddi|zuHause> electromagnetic brakes depend on speed, so you can't actually stop with them
16:28:11  <Eddi|zuHause> so you need mechanical brakes for that
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16:29:10  <SmatZ> frosch123: when it runs out of diesel, it won't be able to stop?
16:29:27  <frosch123> who knows :)
16:29:31  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i doubt that, but it is very likely that the braking power reduces
16:30:05  <Belugas> ok
16:30:23  <Belugas> it was just a reflectin regarding someone's patch
16:30:51  <SmatZ> :)
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16:31:37  <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: basically, everything that can be used to accelerate the train, can also be used to decelerate it
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16:33:19  <Belugas> so, like a car, when you're on highest gear, and using lower gear, a train could slow down, therefor emitting more smoke while deccelerating
16:33:21  <Belugas> right?
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16:33:46  <Belugas> that is, of course, taing for granted diesel trains...
16:33:50  <Belugas> taking
16:33:52  <_ln> [19:25] <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: they didn't blow up yet  <-- they don't need to blow up, any deformation is bad.
16:33:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't really know about smoke...
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16:34:22  <Belugas> well.. let say that, like a car,. the engine will run faster
16:34:42  <Belugas> this (maybe) smoke emission
16:34:44  <Belugas> thus
16:35:03  <_ln> Belugas: modern trains can also supply the energy resulting from braking back to the wire.
16:35:43  <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: there might be one or two that look odd
16:35:50  <Belugas> hoo.... so... more spikes?
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16:36:00  <Yrol> but there is no "link" between the tires of the train and the engine, so to speak. if you turn/speed up/slow down only the tires of the train, there wouldnt be anything enginerelated to "move", right? not like then the fire in the boiler changes or the consumption of coals
16:36:41  <SmatZ> hmm, now I found diesel trains produce electricity which is then used to power the engine
16:36:50  <SmatZ> maybe not all models though...
16:37:12  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: those are dieselelectric ones, there are also dieselhydraulic ones
16:37:13  * SmatZ wonders whether any diesel trains have more gears and thus a clutch
16:37:46  <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: also pay attention to the capacitors of the graphics card
16:38:20  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: interesting
16:38:26  <Belugas> good question, SmatZ
16:38:32  <Belugas> i guess so
16:38:38  <Belugas> wild guess only
16:38:38  <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: i can't see those from this position...
16:40:10  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think diesel engine gears work like car gears... that would be a dieselmechanic engine, those were very rare
16:41:50  <Eddi|zuHause> but of course they have some kind of clutch... else they couldn't have the engine running while being stopped
16:44:54  <glx> most are diesel-electric
16:49:31  <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: I wonder how such high-power clutch would work (and how long it would last)
16:50:25  <petern> hydrualic usually
16:50:51  <petern> "most are diesel-electric" < except here
16:51:03  <petern> we apparently like our plain diesel MUs...
16:51:58  <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i don't know what to google for... all i get are descriptions of model railways...
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16:53:24  <SmatZ> ok, thanks :)
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17:06:37  <Belugas> pam te pam
17:08:34  <petern> yeah :D
17:11:46  <OwenSX48BD> I wish companies would stop giving out routers which you can't run OpenWRT on...
17:12:11  *** OwenSX48BD is now known as OwenS
17:12:27  <Rubidium> OwenS: you mean like linksys does?
17:12:59  <OwenS> I mean I wish ISPs would give out less useless routers. I'm developing quite a collection of them and they're all useless for anything but access point use
17:13:24  <OwenS> One only needs so many access points!
17:13:32  <SpComb> more the merrier
17:13:47  <OwenS> Until one has an access point in every non-overlapping channel :p
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17:18:41  <kingj> I'm sure eBay could assist you with that problem OwenS
17:19:06  <OwenS> Then I have to decide what to sell :p
17:19:24  <OwenS> Though I suppose it would help with the process of upconverting to 802.11n devices
17:19:56  <OwenS> Well, 802.11n + Gigabit backhaul
17:19:59  * Rubidium is happy with his IPv6 enabled router/AP ;)
17:21:05  <OwenS> One of the reasons I want an OpenWRT compatible device :p
17:21:52  <OwenS> I could live without IPv6 AP support though, firstly as they're just running at level 2 and secondly because I'll never remember their IPv6 anyway
17:22:19  <Rubidium> DNS helps with that
17:22:38  * Rubidium got a 'spare' OpenWRT compatible device
17:22:50  <Rubidium> you 'just' need to get it flashed
17:22:59  <OwenS> Then I need to maintain nearly identical but subtly different internal and external DNS servers (Primarily, exposed machines have different IPv4 internal vs external devices)
17:23:15  <OwenS> IPV4 int vs ext IPv4 addresses even! :P
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17:25:20  <OwenS> It would be easy if I could do if(request_from_outside) return external_address else return address_in_reccord
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17:27:09  <Rubidium> OwenS: just fiddle a bit with the code of DNS server, shouldn't be that impossible
17:28:20  <OwenS> if((addr & 0xFFFF0000) == 0xB0100000) return external_address, I know :p
17:33:09  <OwenS> w00t! Good riddance ADSL!
17:33:27  <OwenS> I shall be seeing the back end of you a week on Monday!
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17:37:09  <Eddi|zuHause> that sentence does not parse
17:38:50  <OwenS> A week on monday I shall be getting rid of ADSL :P
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17:46:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17074 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:46:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 8 changes by Gavin
17:46:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 50 changes by Rubidium, TrueBrain
17:46:04  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 changes by jpx_
17:46:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 47 changes by glx
17:46:05  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 38 changes by huddekul
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17:59:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17075 /trunk/src/ (148 files in 9 dirs): -Codechange: rename ~750 strings to be more uniform with their relatives
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18:47:04  <Rubidium> planetmaker: re OGFX#149, what's the error?
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18:56:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17076 /trunk/src/lang/ (40 files in 2 dirs): -Update: reflect the changes Rubidium made in the last few days to all languages
18:58:54  <planetmaker> Rubidium: ogfx1_base.d:1: *** target pattern contains no `%'.  Stop.
18:59:38  <planetmaker> I shall add that there. I just wrote the note when I didn't have access to my laptop. Just so it won't get forgotten :-)
19:00:50  <Rubidium> what happens if you change the | with something else, like !?
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19:01:50  <planetmaker> I tried to replace it by @ without success
19:03:00  <Rubidium> can you pin point more precisely what part of the sed doesn't do what it should do?
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19:03:21  <TrueBrain> oh shit, he is back
19:03:22  <TrueBrain> sssttt
19:04:31  <Belugas> i can see you!
19:04:42  <TrueBrain> where where?
19:04:46  * TrueBrain looks around like he has seen a ghost
19:04:55  <Belugas> right under that desk!
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19:10:06  <Rubidium> Does anyone in here have an idea how to make "Order refit failure stopped {VEHICLE}" more clear? What it means is that a refit is ordered in a vehicle's order list has failed and it notifies you of that. However, the current string is (for some at least) quite unclear. Any suggestions on how to improve it?
19:11:10  <pavel1269> lol, i dont even understand the what it means :-)
19:12:47  <Yrol> Ordered refitting of (VEHICLE) failed: (REASON)
19:13:11  <Rubidium> doesn't tell the vehicle was stopped
19:13:47  <pavel1269> Refiting order failed, (VEH) stopped. ?
19:13:48  <glx> {VEHICLE} stopped due to ordered refit failure
19:14:20  <glx> anyway ask native speakers
19:15:07  <Yrol> Ordered refitting of stopped (VEHICLE) failed: (REASON)
19:15:38  <pavel1269> reason == failed? :P
19:15:46  <Yrol> °giggles°
19:15:57  <Rubidium> reason isn't stored
19:16:09  <Yrol> oh. ok.
19:16:12  <glx> and the vehicle isn't stopped before refit
19:16:18  <Yrol> yes
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19:17:13  <Yrol> a variation of glxs idea then? {VEHICLE} stopped due to an ordered refit having failed
19:17:42  <pavel1269> good one :-)
19:18:06  <pavel1269> but i say ... have failed :-)
19:18:08  <Yrol> it resolves the foggy "stop order refit fail" wordchain a bit better
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19:18:54  <Yrol> hm, "having" is nore fitting i would say. because of the "due to"
19:18:58  <Yrol> "more"
19:19:18  <pavel1269> whatever you say :-)
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19:20:34  <Yrol> "has" would just be more wrong, then it would have to be "stopped because an ordered refit has failed"
19:21:52  <Yrol> then again... in that version the "has" before "failed" could just be omitted
19:22:16  <pavel1269> what about ordered refit failed? :P
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19:26:03  <planetmaker> Rubidium:
19:26:36  <Rubidium> planetmaker: ah... it doesn't do the '\n'
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19:27:04  <planetmaker> nope. But further down, also some other reg. exp. thing not... as far as I understand
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19:27:15  <planetmaker> (when trying to do it directly in xterm)
19:28:01  <planetmaker> e.g. the  thing in the sed reg exp.
19:28:14  <planetmaker> which the sed under linux understands.
19:29:00  <Rubidium> does make it any better?
19:29:18  <planetmaker> interestingly from my man file:      2.   The escape sequence \n matches a newline character embedded in the
19:29:19  <planetmaker>           pattern space.  You can't, however, use a literal newline character
19:29:21  <planetmaker>           in an address or in the substitute command.
19:29:25  <frosch123> Rubidium: "{VEHICLE} stopped in depot. Refit order failed."
19:29:28  <Yrol> (pavel1269) °hangs head° okay. we do it this way : "ERROR!" its simple, short and easily understood ;oP
19:30:18  <pavel1269> ye! _(
19:30:22  <pavel1269> *:-)
19:30:41  <pavel1269> "!{VEHICLE} ERROR!" :-)
19:30:58  <Rubidium> frosch123: possible, though personally I like Yrol 19:20 (UTC) more
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19:32:00  <frosch123> also fine, but two sentences are usually easier :)
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19:36:38  <planetmaker> Rubidium: beats me, that works. What's the difference...?
19:37:06  <Rubidium> the \n
19:37:25  <planetmaker> right, yes. :-)
19:37:42  <Rubidium> and I found out that you can put multiple things before the : so you don't need two lines to make the pnfo and nfo depend on the pcx
19:37:59  <planetmaker> that's right, yes
19:38:06  <planetmaker> :-)
19:38:09  * planetmaker hugs Rubidium
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19:38:23  <Rubidium> there's some trailing whitespace removal in that diff though
19:38:37  <planetmaker> I see that.
19:38:54  <planetmaker> usually there *should* not be that anyway
19:39:05  <planetmaker> obviously there is, though
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19:39:12  * Rubidium wonders why there are so many projects that can't keep trailing whitespace out of their sources
19:40:19  * frosch123 wonders why so many editors cannot display tabs vs. spaces and even insert them in the weirdest ways when autoindenting
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19:40:59  <OwenSX48BD> frosch123: Aah, I do love Kate's tab highlighting
19:41:10  * Rubidium agrees with OwenSX48BD
19:41:26  <Rubidium> especially that you can lighten it a bit so it isn't that visible
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19:41:32  <Rubidium> thus not that annoying
19:41:40  <frosch123> yup, katepart has the best whitepace displaying :)
19:42:05  <frosch123> recently I tried codeblocks because someone used it in here, but it made the code unreadable with a dot for *every* space
19:42:18  <OwenS> Does that make Kate one of the few editors with Whitespace support without special highlighting (I'm talking of the silly programming language here :P)
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19:43:17  <planetmaker> indeed kate is nice for that.
19:43:40  <petern> lies
19:43:46  <petern> vim has the best
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19:44:19  <Rubidium> vim has a tainted name
19:44:21  <OwenS> Lies. Vim is a vile contraption to be used only when using foul consoles without editors like nano :p
19:44:44  <Prof_Frink> OwenS: Could be worse. Could be emacs.
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19:44:55  <OwenS> (Actually, I like both Vim and Nano, though find Vim slightly faster. Provisio: I leave Vim in insert mode :P)
19:45:21  <petern> nano's shit
19:45:34  <Rubidium> <- vim is for shit
19:46:59  <petern> lies, that's jif
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19:47:40  <petern> or cif, as they renamed it
19:47:44  <Muxy> or CIF for frenhies
19:48:01  <Muxy> *frenchies*
19:48:16  * OwenS thinks cif is a silly name
19:48:37  <petern> and so is oil of olay
19:50:10  <Muxy> Cif is here
19:52:29  <planetmaker> Rubidium: thanks a lot for that diff for the makefile! :-)
19:52:43  <Rubidium> you're welcome :)
19:53:48  <planetmaker> and it was so little change which was still only needed... and what did I all try... not this :-)
19:54:08  <Rubidium> I know the feeling
19:54:39  <planetmaker> hehe :-) I guess every programmer does know it...
19:55:05  <planetmaker> frustration tolerance...
20:02:34  <Yrol> °waves° a good day or night to everybody :o)
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20:40:33  <TrueBrain> lalala
20:41:21  <Rubidium> pompiedom
20:41:31  <TrueBrain> Yeah! Rubidium gets a cookie
20:43:18  <TrueBrain> damn, I am too drunk to do any coding
20:43:19  <TrueBrain> lol
20:44:18  <TrueBrain>
20:44:21  <TrueBrain> that makes me happy :)
20:44:58  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Overshot the Ballmer Peak again?
20:45:41  <TrueBrain> Remember Windows ME?
20:47:37  <TrueBrain> I think I shouldn't be translating now too :p
20:47:44  <TrueBrain> so what then .. hmm ...
20:51:32  <TrueBrain> could you guys be more boring?
20:53:52  * fjb tries very hard.
20:54:09  <TrueBrain> well, you are not getting a cookie for doing such a good job
20:54:34  <fjb> :-(
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20:54:49  <TrueBrain> welcome Yexo
20:54:51  <fjb> I want a cookie.
20:54:57  <Rubidium> what a nice paradox, though fjb failed to make it more boring (and now I'm doing that again)
20:54:59  <Yexo> good evening
20:55:01  <Yexo> hi TrueBrain :)
20:55:02  <TrueBrain> fjb: you will have to open a browser yourself!
20:55:19  <Belugas> there was a light.  no... it's now dimmed out.  it's now pulsating.  ho ho... it's round.  not quite.  more ovoid
20:55:21  <Belugas> what it is?
20:55:22  * petern flashes his penis at TrueBrain
20:55:29  <fjb> Hello Yexo. We are trying to be boring today.
20:55:31  <TrueBrain> Belugas: a pulsar
20:55:34  <Rubidium> it's Belugas going home?
20:55:37  <TrueBrain> petern: there are girls in here, behave
20:55:42  <Belugas> almost Rubidium...
20:55:43  <petern> lies
20:56:01  <Belugas> It's TrueLight which became TrueBrain!
20:56:12  <TrueBrain> once upon a time
20:56:28  <Belugas> there's a lady who's sure
20:56:30  <TrueBrain> long long long long LONG LONG (did I say: long, already) ago
20:56:34  <Belugas> all that glitters is ...
20:56:39  <Aali> diff: memory exhausted
20:56:41  <Belugas> GOLD
20:56:41  <Aali> :(
20:56:48  <Belugas> and she's buying a ...
20:56:55  <TrueBrain> Aali: I had my computer crashing last time because I was diffing 250 MiB text files :p
20:57:01  <Belugas> Stairway
20:57:07  <TrueBrain> (and my kernel thought it was a good idea to dump my X session)
20:57:10  <Belugas> to
20:57:12  <Aali> I'm diffing two 300MB files
20:57:15  <Belugas> Heavan
20:57:20  <Belugas> ooops..
20:57:22  <TrueBrain> Belugas: go home :)
20:57:23  <Belugas> heaven
20:57:25  <Aali> well, I guess I'm not diffing anything now
20:57:27  <petern> and she's buying a stannah stair lift to heaven
20:57:45  <Belugas> bloiiiinnggg
20:57:52  <Belugas> tam tadata
20:57:58  <Belugas> tam ta tam
20:58:01  <Prof_Frink> plaaaaaaaaaarp
20:58:10  * Belugas is gone
20:58:13  <Belugas> bye bye
20:58:20  <TrueBrain> bubye Belugas
20:58:21  <TrueBrain> have a nice one :)
20:58:31  <Belugas> beer?  no, you drank it all!
20:58:31  <Prof_Frink> Bye bye Bellyugas
20:58:42  <TrueBrain> Belugas: sorry ... that I did
20:58:44  * Belugas is not here anymore
20:58:48  <Yexo> is giving 500 - internal server error pages
20:58:57  <TrueBrain> Yexo: you no like?
20:59:07  <Yexo> me no like code 500
20:59:12  <TrueBrain> code 200?
20:59:14  <TrueBrain> maybe 301
20:59:20  <TrueBrain> can't be sure from this end
20:59:25  <Prof_Frink> FOUR OH FOUR
20:59:48  <Yexo> hmm, it works again now
21:00:22  <TrueBrain> might be because of the letters I typed in this black on white box I have open
21:00:23  <TrueBrain> dunno
21:00:28  <TrueBrain> might be nothing related to it
21:00:31  <TrueBrain> does: PORN!!!
21:00:35  <TrueBrain> solve the problem in general?
21:00:56  <Sacro> porn
21:00:57  <Sacro> ?
21:01:02  <TrueBrain> oh, that wakes Sacro
21:01:04  <TrueBrain> haha
21:01:05  <Prof_Frink> The internet is for it.
21:01:09  <TrueBrain> you got to know the trigger words in this channel
21:01:15  <TrueBrain> Sacro: you have a highlight on that word?
21:01:23  <Prof_Frink> Tits.
21:01:27  <Sacro> TrueBrain: despite what Bjarni protests, no
21:01:36  <TrueBrain> Sacro: pfew
21:01:41  <Sacro> i do not happen to get notified on tits, porn, lesbians or anything else
21:01:43  <Sacro> just Sacro
21:02:30  <Prof_Frink> And gameloser.
21:03:03  <Yexo> TrueBrain: you got my pm about an ai repo?
21:03:35  <TrueBrain> Yexo: nope
21:03:38  <TrueBrain> when/where/how?
21:03:48  <Yexo> I sent it today via
21:04:03  <TrueBrain> not to me, sorry
21:04:34  <Yexo> what? I can't find it back now
21:04:39  <Yexo> I'm quite sure I send it :s
21:04:45  <TrueBrain> did you really press that ugly yellow button reading: post?
21:05:04  <TrueBrain> :) (hihi)
21:05:07  <Eddi|zuHause2> it would be in the history if you sent it
21:05:20  <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause2: that's the problem, it's not there
21:05:24  *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause
21:05:28  <TrueBrain> ergo: you didn't sent it :)
21:05:31  <TrueBrain> so send it again
21:05:31  <Eddi|zuHause> then you did not send it
21:05:42  <Rubidium> no, Simon or PFY removed it!
21:06:20  <TrueBrain> someone read too much BOFH
21:06:28  <Prof_Frink> Impossible.
21:06:39  <TrueBrain> I agree
21:07:09  <OwenS> Theres only a finite quantity of BOFH and it's not enough
21:07:28  <Yexo> anyway: currently all repositories at contains either openttd code or 'related' code (website / translator / masterserver etc.). Is it ok to create a hg repo on for the common ai library?
21:07:45  <Yexo> or for all ai libraries actually
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21:08:01  <Prof_Frink> Next one should be good... the Bastard owes the Boss money :)
21:08:31  <TrueBrain> Yexo: sure! I guess you have to clear it with other devs too, but sounds not more than logic
21:08:35  <TrueBrain> I wouldn't even mind having it in SVN :p
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21:09:06  * OwenS starts building parser & LLVM code generator for programming language
21:09:25  <Yexo> ok, nice to hear :)
21:09:26  <TrueBrain> I guess I should toy with LLVM a bit soon too :p Sounds useful .. somehow :)
21:09:38  <TrueBrain> Yexo: you have all the permissions to set it up; if not, let me know :)
21:09:42  <OwenS> The code gen API is really, really simple
21:10:40  <TrueBrain> first I need to finish WT3.1 .. or at least get it functional
21:10:49  <TrueBrain> and somehow get dune2 to work :'( It depresses me I still haven't fixed it
21:11:16  <TrueBrain> what day is it today? Hmm .. 4 more days in this week, and then 3 more weeks .. then my classes start again ..... brr
21:11:40  <OwenS> I know that feeling :p
21:12:17  <TrueBrain> Yexo: at first I thought it was a good idea to have the AI Libraries in nobodys land .. but it turns out to be a terrible idea :)
21:13:38  <Yexo> it seemed a good idea, but the development turns out to be dead currently
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21:14:05  <Yexo> a few months ago there were some topics with improvements for the pathfinders, but since nobody is really responsible work doesn't continue
21:17:39  <Yexo> TrueBrain: next (related) question: Can you also make doxygen documentation for the ai libraries available? If yes, what should I do to make that possible?
21:18:50  <TrueBrain> hmm
21:18:53  <TrueBrain> that is a bit more tricky
21:19:09  <TrueBrain> I guess the easiest solution would be that you generate them via your account (via a crontab, I would say, or post-commit hooks)
21:19:17  <TrueBrain> and that I create a directory for you where you can upload the results
21:19:32  <TrueBrain> I guess something like ?
21:19:40  <Yexo> that'd be nice
21:20:25  <TrueBrain> k, /var/www/
21:20:38  <TrueBrain> writable by all developers, you are the owner, sticky bit on the group set
21:21:59  <Yexo> thanks :)
21:22:32  <TrueBrain> let me allow dirlisting
21:23:47  <TrueBrain> there we go
21:23:53  <TrueBrain> if you ened anything else, let me know :)
21:24:07  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: read above, FYI :)
21:24:07  <Yexo> a lot of time to set this all up please :)
21:24:18  * TrueBrain gives Yexo A LOT of time
21:24:23  <TrueBrain> did it help?
21:24:32  <Yexo> it's still 23:23 :p
21:24:37  <TrueBrain> 23:24 :p
21:24:57  <Yexo> so it only cost me time :p
21:24:59  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: and if you have better suggestions, let us know :)
21:25:21  <Rubidium> I'm wondering whether hg or svn would be better
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21:25:31  <TrueBrain> I tend to say SVN
21:25:48  <TrueBrain> as the hgs don't have any backup or what ever
21:25:53  <TrueBrain> they just .. exist .. without real support
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21:26:03  <TrueBrain> so I would advise against using that for anything real
21:26:17  <Yexo> that's exactly the point of hg, everyone has a local backup
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21:26:28  <TrueBrain> Yexo: yup; but for AI libraries that is not optimal
21:26:37  <TrueBrain> you want central development in that case, not decentral
21:26:41  <Yexo> true
21:30:01  <Yexo> so does it have to be a part of the openttd svn or will you create a seperate svn server for it?
21:30:33  <TrueBrain> Both are possible, but I see no reason why not to put it in the OpenTTD SVN .. can't find a real reason for that :p
21:31:53  <Rubidium> I'm only wondering what development 'model' you're going for with the libraries
21:32:20  <Rubidium> releases with release branches or just a single 'trunk' that you occasionally mark as 'release'?
21:32:41  <Rubidium> hmm, that'd still require a /trunk and /tags
21:33:10  <TrueBrain> I think they should all branch on a OpenTTD release, as it might need other API functions
21:33:34  <TrueBrain> hmm .. for this 3rd party hosting would be ideal :)
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21:34:00  <Yexo> originally I was thinking about just a single trunk, but for new openttd stable versions branching would be nice
21:34:14  <TrueBrain> (like I believe)
21:34:47  <tdev> what do you want to host?
21:35:00  <OwenS> I have to feel that someone failed to fully excise all the NetBeans from SunStudio because it says "Learn More About... Java EE" without Java EE support :p
21:35:01  <TrueBrain> Yexo: will those libraries be single libraries on their own, or a collection?
21:35:34  <Yexo> I'm not sure what you're asking. I intent to upload all existing libraries there, and add some new ones
21:36:05  <TrueBrain> well, is the idea to have a collection, or are they really just single entities on their own?
21:36:27  <Yexo> every library is an entity on it's own, but they can depend on eachother
21:36:29  <TrueBrain> in SVN talk: lib1/trunk, lib2/trunk or trunk/lib1, trunk/lib2
21:36:54  <TrueBrain> in HG talk: a hg init for each lib, or 1 hg init for all libs
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21:37:24  <Sacro> TrueBrain: a hg init to rule them all?
21:37:33  <Sacro> and in the darkness commit them
21:37:41  <TrueBrain> Sacro: you should write a book
21:37:49  <TrueBrain> call it ... lord of the commits!
21:37:55  <Yexo> not sure, I'm thinkg about lib1/trunk lib2/trunk, but then it would be nice to have a makefile that builds / packs all libraries, and that seems to fit in better with trunk/lib1 trunk/lib2
21:38:03  <Sacro> TrueBrain: good idea
21:38:18  <TrueBrain> hmm ..
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21:39:03  <Rubidium> Yexo: you can make a 'virtual' trunk-with-all-packages using svn:externals
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21:39:13  <TrueBrain> what if we just install Redmine on a subdomain
21:39:18  <TrueBrain> enable auto-subversion-create
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21:39:22  <TrueBrain> and give Yexo admin rights?
21:39:31  <TrueBrain> then he can create small individual subversions
21:39:39  <TrueBrain> have a wiki page and issue tracker for each
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21:40:02  <TrueBrain> (redmine is the software serving and
21:40:15  <Yexo> that would be perfect
21:40:16  <Rubidium> fine by me too, just somewhere under
21:40:30  <TrueBrain> seen what is currently on noai, I would say replace it in total
21:40:42  <TrueBrain> maybe even allow other people to put their AI there
21:41:20  <TrueBrain> I would only like to limit the latter with one condition: if you put your AI there, it has to be (L)GPLv2, and you need to upload the source of your AI (so not a redirect-page to some offsite location)
21:41:41  <Yexo> completely agreed
21:41:53  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: from our perspective: new VPS, or in openttd-web?
21:42:16  <Rubidium> I'd say new vps
21:42:41  <TrueBrain> when I look at WT3.1 page, it takes about 250 MB of RAM (redmine)
21:42:46  <TrueBrain> I am sure we can fix that somehow ... :p
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21:44:56  <TrueBrain> k, Yexo, I will set this up now or tomorrow
21:45:02  <TrueBrain> (depends how long I stay this wasted)
21:45:16  <Yexo> thanks a lot :)
21:45:34  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: suggestion for VPS name? openttd-noai ?
21:45:53  <Rubidium> sounds fine
21:47:03  <TrueBrain> generating VPS ... lalalala
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21:57:57  <TrueBrain> installing the documentation of Rake takes the longest :p
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21:59:03  * OwenS wonders two things: Firstly, why the need for a new Ruby specific make? Second, why install the docs on a server? :p
21:59:26  <TrueBrain> they come with the package
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21:59:33  <TrueBrain> and rake has little to do with make .. well .. I guess in some way it has
21:59:42  <satyap> what programs do you use to create newgrfs? i mean, does grfcreator work, or is it grfcodec + text files?
22:00:02  <satyap> yeah i could look at the wiki but it's hard to find answers to qualitative questions
22:00:09  <satyap> and i *have* been googling
22:00:16  <TrueBrain> he came prepared!
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22:00:19  <TrueBrain> @voice satyap
22:00:22  *** mode/#openttd [+v satyap] by DorpsGek
22:00:28  <TrueBrain> that deserves something special :)
22:00:35  <satyap> umm thanks
22:00:36  <TrueBrain> sadly enough, I know nothing about grfs, so I can't help you out
22:00:53  <satyap> well, at least it's an answer, and i thank you
22:01:01  <Yexo> I haven't heard of grfcreator before (maybe you mean grfmaker?)
22:01:04  <satyap> now i must urgently wander off to the park with slides
22:01:10  <satyap> possibly i do mean grfmaker
22:01:29  <Yexo> grfmaker is one option, but the more advanced newgrfs are created with grfcoded + some text editor
22:01:33  <satyap> i'll be back later
22:01:41  <satyap> alright, thanks. i'm sure i'll have more questions
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22:03:52  <TrueBrain> I like this kid :)
22:07:43  *** bb10 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:16:20  <TrueBrain> <- whiieee!!!
22:16:28  <TrueBrain> TODO list: add leaseweb logo :p
22:17:13  <Rubidium> - add OpenTTD logo
22:17:50  <Yexo> TrueBrain: is the login linked to any of my other openttd accounts or do I have to create a new account?
22:18:05  <TrueBrain> Yexo: the latter for now
22:18:10  <TrueBrain> I will see if I can make a bridge
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22:18:55  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I need a 'from' address for RedMine
22:19:11  <TrueBrain> I want to use noai@ , but that means we need to add it as real mail :p
22:19:16  <TrueBrain> shall we route that address to Yexo? :)
22:19:30  <Rubidium> fine by me ;)
22:19:37  <Yexo> fine
22:19:41  <Rubidium> although, maybe in the future we want multiple managers
22:19:54  <Yexo> another email box is fine too
22:19:54  <TrueBrain> it is a alias, so :p
22:19:55  <Rubidium> so maybe a seperate mail account (like translator) is better
22:20:11  <TrueBrain> lets do that when another manager presents itself :p
22:21:25  <TrueBrain> Yexo: you will hav eto finetune it, names and stuff
22:21:39  <TrueBrain> I now need to read how I can make it auto-create subversion and shit
22:22:17  <Yexo> and how can I do that? via ssh on the server?
22:22:31  <TrueBrain> Yexo: create account and I make you admin :p
22:22:41  <Yexo> I already have an account :)
22:22:44  <Ammler> TrueBrain: hg?
22:22:48  <TrueBrain> Ammler: no
22:23:00  <TrueBrain> Yexo: then now you are an administrator
22:23:10  <Yexo> thanks
22:23:19  <TrueBrain> the admin interface is really easy
22:23:27  <TrueBrain> just don't create a project just yet :)
22:23:31  <Yexo> ok
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22:23:48  <TrueBrain> Ammler: I think subversion is more suitable for this job
22:23:56  <TrueBrain> (although much higher overhead)
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22:24:50  <TrueBrain> (or anyone needs to have good argumentation to use hg :))
22:25:24  <Ammler> you mean hg has higher overhead?
22:25:28  <TrueBrain> no, SVN has
22:26:19  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I think we need to create a small ldap server and put all accounts in there .. so we can easier make centralized authentication
22:26:34  <Ammler> openid :-)
22:26:47  <TrueBrain> considered it, but OpenID is a bit .. silly I think
22:27:42  <Eddi|zuHause> make a centralised global world institute responsible for automatic unique identification. solves all problems.
22:28:01  <TrueBrain> YEAH!
22:28:15  <Eddi|zuHause> and each passport gets a gps chip, so that all persons can be located at any time
22:28:15  <Rubidium> the Germans tried that, but... they failed
22:28:33  <Ammler> well, openid is the opposite, that is why I like it.
22:29:14  <Eddi|zuHause> and each person that does not carry its ID card gets a terrorrism suspect and all human rights taken away
22:29:40  <Eddi|zuHause> modern day outlaws...
22:29:49  <OwenS> OpenID doesn't really work for SVN :p
22:29:54  <Eddi|zuHause> robin hood was a terrorist...
22:30:22  <Ammler> OwenS: there is at least a lib for c++
22:30:36  <OwenS> Ammler: It's rather pointless in a web-browser-less-app ;P
22:30:39  <TrueBrain> OwenS: room for improvement!!
22:30:53  <Ammler> openttd with openid would be very cool
22:31:20  <OwenS> The trust model falls apart without the web browser ::p
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22:31:38  <Ammler> he? why?
22:31:41  <DaleStan> satyap: It depends on what you want to do. GRFMaker can do the simple things, but the more complex you want, the more likely it is that you'll have to write directly in NFO.
22:31:41  <DaleStan> Consensus is that GRFMaker is not a substitute for understanding NFO, just a substitute for memorizing the spec word-for-word.
22:31:41  <DaleStan> Me, I code in NFO and use NFORenum to check my work.
22:32:00  <OwenS> Because you have no proof that they're not intercepting your credentials :P
22:32:05  <satyap> roger that
22:32:35  <TrueBrain> Yexo: okay, please create a single project
22:32:39  <TrueBrain> then I will test this auto-magic stuff
22:33:00  <OwenS> You do in a web server since the web browser is acting as a trusted third party. In a C++ app, you don't have a trusted third party
22:33:39  <Ammler> why should the web browser be more trusted then openttd?
22:34:12  <OwenS> Because the web browser is not affiliated with what you're authenticating for
22:34:12  <Yexo> TrueBrain: I've created one
22:34:14  <satyap> the app would behave like a web browser... serving openttd packets instead of web pages
22:34:31  <TrueBrain> Yexo: you sure want to go with those names? Assuming it will be possible that there will be real AIs?
22:34:32  <satyap> or i could be talking through my hat
22:34:37  <OwenS> Also, the OpenID model is entirely dependent upon being able to show web pages :p
22:34:48  <TrueBrain> (and I am really asking here, I dunno :))
22:35:36  <TrueBrain> Yexo: few RedMine odditiest ins and outs: you might want to disable Documents, to get the Wiki, set a MainPage in the settings, and you might want to disable shit like 'Spent time'
22:35:44  <Yexo> What do you think about "Lib_BinaryHeap" or "Queue_BinaryHeap"?
22:35:45  * satyap is mildly vexed by trying to bootstrap all newgrf specs into brain at the same time, not to mention that a certain wiki's spec description doesn't quite match what i see in the japanese trainset
22:35:54  <Ammler> OwenS: I might understand openid a bit different then you, maybe wron then.
22:35:58  <TrueBrain> Yexo: I really don't know ..
22:36:04  <TrueBrain> lib-queue-binaryheap?
22:36:05  <Ammler> g
22:36:22  <Yexo> also an option
22:36:43  <OwenS> Ammler: My understanding all comes from being an OpenID consumer, and also from being smart enough to have a bit of a clue about security and know that I'm not smart enough to design security myself :p
22:36:48  <Yexo> but the max length for the unique id is 20 characters, so lib-queue-binaryheap is streching it a bit
22:36:55  <TrueBrain> Yexo: lol .. sucks ...
22:37:00  <TrueBrain> lib-binaryheap ? :)
22:37:06  <TrueBrain> dunno .. might just be useful to have 'lib' in there
22:37:35  <Yexo> yes, indeed
22:37:49  <Yexo> bah, it isn't possible to change the id once created :(
22:37:55  <TrueBrain> delete it and recreate it
22:37:58  <TrueBrain> the reason I asked for it ;)
22:40:23  <Yexo> what is "Boards"?
22:40:28  <TrueBrain> forum, I guess
22:40:35  <Yexo> so unneeded then
22:41:43  <Yexo> all pages are "403 - Forbidden" now
22:41:45  <TrueBrain> yup
22:41:57  <TrueBrain> sorry, I had to test my deny-a-certain-dir thingy
22:41:59  <TrueBrain> and it refuses :(
22:42:08  <Yexo> no problem :)
22:42:52  <TrueBrain> I can deny ALL access, but not for the dir I am looking for :(
22:43:49  <Yexo> there seems to be no repository currently, do I have to create one myself via the "Repository" tab?
22:43:55  <TrueBrain> nope, I have to do that
22:44:00  <TrueBrain> that is what I will be testing ;)
22:44:07  <TrueBrain> if I can get this annoying thing to work :(
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22:46:04  <TrueBrain> this is just insane .....
22:48:38  <TrueBrain> why do thinks never work as documented
22:49:14  <Xaroth> yer hexed
22:49:22  <Xaroth> it could be worse tho
22:49:25  <Yexo> good luck with fixing it :)
22:49:28  <Yexo> and good night everyone
22:49:32  <TrueBrain> Yexo: night
22:49:34  <TrueBrain> btw, repos created
22:49:34  <Xaroth> you could be forced to go to evoswitch at 7am in the morning
22:50:18  <TrueBrain> sadly enough, it makes a really terrible subversion ...
22:50:20  <TrueBrain> Xaroth: poor thing :p
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22:50:51  <Xaroth> TrueBrain: meh
22:50:58  <Xaroth> went home 2 hours early today for it tho
22:51:03  <TrueBrain> hehe
22:51:04  <Xaroth> seeing i was already working at 7..
22:51:07  <Xaroth> downside is toh
22:51:13  <Xaroth> when you drive there, it's cool outside
22:51:22  <Xaroth> then you go inside, to the heat of the datahalls
22:51:27  <TrueBrain> bah, it seems I need to allow webDAV
22:51:28  <Xaroth> then when yer done.. at around 11am
22:51:55  <Xaroth> I could cook an egg on my car seats/steering wheel
22:52:14  <TrueBrain> hehehe
22:53:01  <Xaroth> anyhow
22:53:02  <Xaroth> off to bed
22:53:08  <TrueBrain> night
22:53:09  <Xaroth> hopefully not such a hectic day tomorrow
22:53:13  <TrueBrain> I hope so for you too :)
22:53:15  <TrueBrain> hmm
22:53:17  <TrueBrain> I go to bed too
22:53:24  <TrueBrain> I will see tomorrow how I can make RedMine to things MY WAY
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22:53:33  <Xaroth> lol good luck :P
22:53:36  <Xaroth> redmine can be a bitch :P
22:53:37  <Xaroth> nn
22:53:41  <TrueBrain> (which most likely means installing apache :p)
22:55:12  <OwenS> Eww @ Apache :P
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23:01:23  * satyap does apache
23:01:44  <satyap> sigh. i can get james into msts, but not get grfmaker to work
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23:06:32  <TrueBrain> nice, apache only serves 404
23:07:18  <TrueBrain> ActionController::RoutingError (No route matches "/index.html" with {:method=>:get}): <- wut?
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23:08:42  <TrueBrain> there we go :)
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23:11:11  <satyap> uh... you lose your index.html? or not have it in config/routes?
23:11:20  <TrueBrain> no, it was .htaccess fucking up
23:11:26  <TrueBrain> RedMine has a minor .. glitch there
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23:16:08  <satyap> heh
23:16:24  <satyap> what's the web server and rails thingy you use?
23:16:34  <satyap> like, passenger, or rack, or...
23:16:38  <TrueBrain> Passenger should NOT load the .htaccess
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23:20:30  <TrueBrain> wopla, works
23:21:14  <TrueBrain> WAY past my bedtime
23:21:16  <TrueBrain> night all
23:21:23  * Sacro tucks TrueBrain into bed
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23:23:47  <satyap> cool, grfmaker seems to work under wine
23:23:55  <satyap> that should reduce the annoyance factor
23:26:15  <Eddi|zuHause> the forum is weird... "in real life, big cities do not grow into each other"
23:26:46  <Rubidium> that's true
23:26:49  <Aali> to be fair, they usually dont
23:27:05  <Aali> the bigger city swallows the smaller city and it all becomes one city
23:27:08  <Rubidium> or rather, name me two big cities that are grown into eachother
23:27:20  <Eddi|zuHause> the entire ruhr area?
23:27:37  <Rubidium> that's all small hamlets grown together
23:27:59  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and each of these hamlets has 1mio inhabitants ;)
23:28:33  <Rubidium> but is X building in Y?
23:28:52  <Eddi|zuHause> the entire east coast of the USA is one big megalopolis
23:29:27  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that's far from true
23:29:31  <Belugas> [19:26] <Eddi|zuHause> the forum is weird... "in real life, big cities do not grow into each other"  <--- who DARE SAID THAT???
23:29:51  <Eddi|zuHause>
23:30:06  <Rubidium> there are quite a lot of stretches of 'nothing' between the cities
23:30:22  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17077 /branches/0.7/os/rpm/openttd.spec: [0.7] -Fix [FS#3024]: rpm spec file failed for CentOS; apparantly their rpmbuild is pickier or so
23:30:29  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, yes, there are, but some cities do touch each other
23:31:56  <adam_vollrath> wow there's a .spec?
23:31:58  <adam_vollrath> that's neat
23:32:29  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17078 /branches/0.7/src/strings.cpp: [0.7] -Fix [FS#3082]: crash when renaming some towns (already fixed in trunk by rewrite of the function)
23:32:31  <Sacro> rpm sucks balls
23:32:38  <adam_vollrath> c
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23:35:10  <Eddi|zuHause2> "ERROR: Multiple available KDE sessions!" <- wtf is wrong here? i certainly have only one session running
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23:46:50  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
23:48:58  <Belugas> not even fun to bash
23:49:02  <Belugas> bored i am...
23:49:06  <Belugas> hello Nite_Owl
23:49:30  <Nite_Owl> Hello Belugus
23:49:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17079 /branches/0.7/ (9 files in 4 dirs):
23:49:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
23:49:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Add notion of Ctrl_Click in the tooltip for Loan borrow/repay buttons [FS#3066] (r16979)
23:49:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make it so that failing to generate many random towns in scenario editor returns a failing message [FS#3059] (r16977)
23:49:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: [MSVC] Make all language files depend on english.txt (r16975)
23:49:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: There is no point in not randomising engine introduction-date before 1922. Instead disable the randomisation for the first two years after game-start, so you do not have to wait for the first engine (r16929)
23:49:45  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The last manually added server would not be saved [FS#3062] (r16981)
23:50:42  <Nite_Owl> Ooooo more backporting
23:51:24  <Nite_Owl> Are you still at work Belugas and if so why?
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23:54:28  <Rubidium> Belugas is always at work
23:55:24  <Nite_Owl> he usually wanders off around 5 PM eastern
23:55:46  <Rubidium> to his other job
23:55:59  <Rubidium> you didn't know Belugas has two bosses?
23:56:36  <Nite_Owl> if you mean did I know that he was married then yes
23:56:49  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean the cat? :p
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23:57:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17080 /branches/0.7/ (20 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:57:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
23:57:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Documentation of AITile::LevelTiles was wrong (r17049)
23:57:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AICompany::Get/Set PresidentGender (r17016)
23:57:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIEngine::GetDesignDate (r17014)
23:57:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIStation::GetConstructionDate (r17012)
23:57:57  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIAbstractList::SORT_ASCENDING / SORT_DESCENDING (r17005)
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23:58:14  <Belugas> :)
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