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Just r? 01:25:20 <R0b0t1> Not r12432 or w/e? 01:30:40 <PeterT> nope 01:30:49 <PeterT> just r RObOtl 01:32:07 <PeterT> R0b0t1 01:32:12 <PeterT> just "r" 01:34:35 <R0b0t1> Hmm 01:42:54 *** FRQuadrat [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 01:43:37 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8435C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2796.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:47:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:48:32 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d07:e4dd:ad43:543a] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:58:08 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-148-36-126.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:58:21 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B26C724.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 02:59:03 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has 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[~henchman@124-169-126-137.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #openttd [] 10:13:24 <Noldo> o// 10:13:28 <Noldo> \o 10:18:28 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:53 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@239.14-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 10:44:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17281 /trunk/src/ (callback_table.cpp group_gui.cpp): -Feature(tte): open the 'Rename group' dialog after creating new group 10:47:11 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 10:48:07 <Nickman_87> hi all 10:48:14 <SmatZ> hello Nickman_87 10:48:57 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I will migrate your SSH account to LDAP now :) 10:49:13 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: and svn? 10:49:26 <TrueBrain> you don't have a svn account :p Only SSH :) 10:49:31 <SmatZ> ah 10:49:35 <SmatZ> ok :) 10:49:37 <TrueBrain> either way, would you mind logging out of SSH for a minute or 3? :) 10:49:52 <SmatZ> done ;) 10:51:48 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: all done 10:53:08 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: thanks :) 10:53:22 <SmatZ> it works! 10:53:31 <TrueBrain> of course it does :p 10:53:33 <TrueBrain> haha :) 10:53:40 <SmatZ> ;) 10:53:52 <SmatZ> hmm now I have to get used to different password :) 10:54:02 <TrueBrain> install a ssh key :) 10:54:09 <TrueBrain> soon it won't work via password ;) 10:54:23 <SmatZ> this saved me at least twice from commiting wrong stuff :-D 10:54:26 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Where does one install the ssh key? Was there a django app for that? 10:54:40 <TrueBrain> blathijs: it will be in the Profile 10:54:42 <TrueBrain> when that is done :p 10:54:52 <SmatZ> ah :-/ 10:55:00 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I can make you a pre-commit script which requires you to validate your commit ;) 10:55:17 <blathijs> Type "yes, I am really sure that this commit is ok." to continue 10:55:20 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: would be nice ;) 10:55:27 <SmatZ> hehe 10:55:43 <TrueBrain> but why you don't use the EDITOR to type the commit to validate? :P 10:56:12 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@239.14-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:16 <blathijs> SmatZ: I'd recommend using the svn vim plugin 10:56:26 <blathijs> SmatZ: That shows the svn diff in a split window below the commit message 10:56:33 <SmatZ> the WHAT? hehe... yeah, I heard something about that... like when I miss that "comment" part, editor is executed... 10:56:34 <blathijs> (when you use vim to type the commit message, of course) 10:56:52 <SmatZ> blathijs: I have EDITOR=nano now :-x 10:56:58 <TrueBrain> here it only shows which file I will be committing :) 10:57:01 <SmatZ> I don't know vim :( 10:57:02 <TrueBrain> which mostly is enough ;) 10:57:13 <SmatZ> all those shortcuts and commands... ;) 10:57:30 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I really like having the diff at hand when typing the commit message, it prevents me from missing changes 10:57:39 <blathijs> SmatZ: It really is worth it to invest some time learning vim, IMHO 10:57:41 <TrueBrain> it indeed is useful :) 10:57:52 <blathijs> SmatZ: But perhaps nano has something similar, though I doubt it 10:58:07 <SmatZ> blathijs: I guess so :) I wanted to learn it several times, never managed to 10:58:07 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 10:58:13 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@190.8-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 10:58:17 <blathijs> SmatZ: So you'll just have to remember to type svn diff | less and look closely every time before committing 10:58:32 <blathijs> SmatZ: The best way is not to try to learn it, but just start using it 10:58:50 <SmatZ> :) 10:58:59 <blathijs> (But not just before an important deadline ;-p) 10:59:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.167.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:09 <SmatZ> it rather happened that I was searching in bash history for "svn diff" 10:59:17 <SmatZ> and I chose "svn ci something" instead 10:59:31 <TrueBrain> never add a commit message via svn commit ;) 10:59:56 <blathijs> Yeah, just always use the editor to type it 11:00:12 <SmatZ> ok, I will switch to no-commit-in-svn-ci 11:00:25 <TrueBrain> that saved me so many times :p 11:00:31 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDC94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:32 <blathijs> That will also prevent you from typing short single line messages where multiple lines would have been more appropriate :-p 11:00:41 <SmatZ> hehe 11:00:58 <blathijs> This kind of stuff is exactly why I like git so much 11:01:05 <blathijs> --amend is briljant :-) 11:01:25 <blathijs> Half of the time I start committing changes before I've completely tested them 11:01:39 <SmatZ> :) 11:01:41 <blathijs> Writing a commit message is perfect to do while your code is compiling 11:01:50 <blathijs> any errors can be --amended afterwards anyway 11:02:32 <TrueBrain> haha, nice ;) 11:02:42 <SmatZ> :) 11:02:52 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:02:55 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: either way, ssh keys can have passwords too ;) 11:03:04 <TrueBrain> is even more safe ;) 11:03:38 <blathijs> Actually, they should really, really always have a passphrase (unless they're supposed to be used automated) 11:03:53 <Noldo> then you can use ssh-agent and keychain <3 11:04:02 <TrueBrain> I never use ssh-agent 11:04:19 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:04:31 <blathijs> If you don't want to type the passphrase, you should use ssh-agent, never just remove the passphrase... 11:04:37 <TrueBrain> but I also not always use passphrases :) Depends on the key and the access level :p 11:04:40 <SmatZ> hehe 11:04:48 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: ah, good :) 11:05:03 <TrueBrain> but yes, all root@ should _always_ have passphrases :) 11:05:05 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:13 <SmatZ> I will have to move my ssh key from this account to all other accounts, right? 11:05:23 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: how do you mean? 11:05:37 <SmatZ> so I can connect to SSH from, say, my school account 11:05:37 <TrueBrain> I suggest creating a passphrases key just for OpenTTD :p 11:05:52 <TrueBrain> yeah, you can use it for what ever you like 11:06:02 <TrueBrain> as long as you keep your private key private :) 11:06:14 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:06:26 <SmatZ> but it has to be available in all accounts I am using :( 11:06:31 <SmatZ> but okay 11:06:37 <TrueBrain> oh, like that 11:06:40 <TrueBrain> USB keys are useful ;) 11:06:47 <TrueBrain> just use a passphrases if you put your key on a USB :) 11:06:47 <SmatZ> I will upload it somewhere to web and download it if needed (haha) 11:07:05 <TrueBrain> I am happy my sarcasm detector is active :p 11:07:10 <SmatZ> ;) 11:07:16 <blathijs> Ah, that's convenient if I ever need to use SmatZ' account 11:07:31 <SmatZ> hehe 11:07:52 <blathijs> SmatZ: Alternatively, you can make a different key for each place you will be connecting from, and set them all as authorized keys with openttd 11:07:55 <SmatZ> something like devs.openttd.org/~smatz/private.key 11:08:05 <SmatZ> blathijs: ah, good idea 11:08:11 <blathijs> that way, if your account at school is compromised, you don't need to switch private keys everywhere 11:08:15 <SmatZ> I didn't want to bug TrueBrain more times though 11:08:19 <TrueBrain> blathijs: which means I need to allow that via the Profile page ... ;) 11:08:21 <SmatZ> good idea 11:08:46 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Yup, but you weren't going to limit peoples security options anyway, right? 11:08:50 <blathijs> :-p 11:08:59 <TrueBrain> well, limiting to ssh keys is a limitation, not? :) 11:09:09 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That profile page, do you have a preview version yet? And will you be releasing code? 11:09:24 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: I have a key on USB I use to login to my home, which can login to for example openttd :p So I bounce my connection 11:09:34 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I have not a single words written down for it :p Why? 11:09:42 <Noldo> bouncing is fun! 11:09:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:09:49 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Posing an upper limit on their security options, then :-p 11:09:55 <Noldo> and even more so with ssh-key forwarding 11:10:13 <Noldo> or agent forwarding but anyway 11:10:47 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Hmm, I thought you were already started a bit. I have an LDAP server as well, which might want something like a profile page as well, for people to set their own LDAP attributes 11:11:09 <blathijs> I don't have SSH keys in LDAP yet, but I might add that if people could set them through a profile page 11:11:17 <TrueBrain> blathijs: oh, this page will be simple: displayname, password, and ssh keys 11:11:32 <TrueBrain> ssh keys won't go in LDAP btw 11:11:34 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Yeah, which is exactly what I'd need 11:11:38 <TrueBrain> they will be written to a seperate fs 11:12:03 <blathijs> Ah, I thought through LDAP. But the effect is the same of course (probably even better, since there is no need to periodically write out SSH keys) 11:12:16 <TrueBrain> exactly :) 11:12:45 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Btw, do you realize that limiting ssh logins to ssh keys is rather pointless if you can upload new ssh keys through a password-authenticated website? It might prevent ssh bruteforce attacks, but not add real security. 11:12:48 <TrueBrain> and I couldn't find a good enough container in LDAP :p 11:13:19 <blathijs> Debian does it, perhaps they have their LDAP schema available somewhere :-) 11:13:19 <TrueBrain> blathijs: the problem is brute-force attacks and the fact I want to allow access to lower-security groups (e.g.: normal users) 11:13:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.18.174.189] has joined #openttd 11:13:25 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:37 <blathijs> TrueBrain: normal users which chose stupid, bruteforceable passwords, you mean? :-) 11:14:44 <TrueBrain> exactly : 11:14:45 <TrueBrain> ) 11:14:56 <blathijs> Fair point 11:15:14 <blathijs> Though you could still be bruteforced on the web interface, but that doesn't happen that often 11:15:25 <TrueBrain> and it would be fairly simple to protect 11:16:22 <blathijs> OTOH, ssh is even simpler to protect, just install fail2ban 11:16:40 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:10 <TrueBrain> but okay, that was the idea behind it, to avoid unneeded stuff and centralize access 11:17:53 <Noldo> simple syn based limiter goes a long way 11:18:29 <TrueBrain> blathijs: btw, adding/removing sshkeys will require validations via email 11:18:35 <TrueBrain> avoiding most of the attacks possible 11:18:44 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, that seems like a decent approach 11:19:43 <TrueBrain> I guess only displayname will be changable without validation :p 11:19:45 <TrueBrain> hehehehe :) 11:20:22 <blathijs> :-) 11:21:37 <TrueBrain> but if you have a better idea for a security model, I would love to hear it :) 11:21:37 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 11:21:56 <TrueBrain> in more detail: I want to allow svn+ssh commit access for NoAI projects, as over WebDAV is simply SUCKS ASS 11:22:27 <TrueBrain> is = it :p 11:22:35 * OwenS rewrites his LLVM backend because it's become a *mess* 11:22:37 <Ammler> shouldn't at least the login/account be forced to ssl? 11:22:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.167.124] has joined #openttd 11:22:47 <Noldo> TrueBrain: how do you solve the problem with the file permissions? 11:23:00 <TrueBrain> Ammler: if you can get us a certificate signed by a root CA which most OSes accept, I would 11:23:28 <TrueBrain> Noldo: a single VPS will handle all VCS systems, and all SSH access is piped through a wrapper 11:23:39 <TrueBrain> (or at least, that is what I am planning to do) 11:23:47 <Ammler> oh well, if you are that far and like to register, you would also install the ssl certifcate. 11:24:58 <TrueBrain> well ... not all browsers ALLOW you to do that 11:24:58 <Ammler> startssl.com would do that, but doesn't allow wildcard certs for free. 11:25:11 <TrueBrain> we only have 1 SSL domain: secure.openttd.org 11:25:20 <TrueBrain> the rest are .. 'friendly' helpers redirecting you to secure.openttd.org 11:25:43 <Ammler> you can test the cert here: https://dev.openttdcoop.org 11:26:02 <OwenS> Ammler: Well Ubuntu doesn't have it 11:26:18 <Ammler> but ubuntu does allow to install it. 11:26:35 <OwenS> Yes. But you have to install it. It's no better than a self signed cert in that case... 11:26:53 <Ammler> oh, I see, you are expert ;-) 11:26:56 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:44 <TrueBrain> either way Ammler, does it matter, http or https? They can snoop http, sure, but that has to be a local issue .. in that case they can also have a keystroker installed :p 11:28:10 <blathijs> Is it me, or is 256bit SSL really not that much? 11:28:38 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Technically, traffic can be sniffed en-route as well, though it's not so likely 11:28:38 <OwenS> 256-bit AES? 11:28:55 <TrueBrain> blathijs: means a compromised ISP .. so yes, unlikely ;) 11:29:17 <OwenS> Namecheap will sell you a RapidSSL cert for .95. Or for free with a .96 domain :P 11:29:59 <Rubidium> ... but not a wildcard certificate 11:30:11 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Though things like using public WLAN might be more likely 11:30:16 <TrueBrain> maybe we should just get a paid one at some big root CA thingy .. 11:30:23 <TrueBrain> blathijs: true 11:30:52 <OwenS> TrueBrain: RapidSSL's root cert is in IE 5+/AOL 5+/Netscape 4.7+/Opera 7+/Safari/Mozilla/Firefox... seems common enough :p 11:31:13 <Ammler> anyway, startssl doesn't work on my winbox either :-( 11:31:15 <TrueBrain> euh .. your OS carries root certs .. 11:31:24 <TrueBrain> ca-certificates package, mostly 11:32:13 <OwenS> On Windows most browsers seem to ship their own certs 11:32:30 <OwenS> I presume they just install them into the system library though 11:33:14 <blathijs> OwenS: Typicial that RapidSSL says "Single Root Certificate - Easy to Install" though, that suggests that their root CA isn't installed in browsers yet... 11:33:15 <OwenS> On Linux yes it tends to come from a standard package 11:33:49 <OwenS> blathijs: By that they mean you don't need to configure your webserver to chain certificates. I have a multiple root certificate, which means I actually need to feed my webserver two certs to get back to the browser root CA 11:34:21 <blathijs> Ah, like that 11:34:21 <OwenS> As in my cert is from CA A, who got a cert from CA B, who's cert your browser has 11:34:36 <blathijs> So they mean their root CA signs all certificates directly 11:34:40 <OwenS> Yes 11:37:02 <Rubidium> oh... that implies 'bad' security 11:37:28 <OwenS> ? 11:37:49 <TrueBrain> the ones from godaddy are payable 11:37:55 <TrueBrain> but I can't find which root CA it is :p 11:38:07 <TrueBrain> they claim 99% browser acceptance .. but that they all do :p 11:38:23 <Rubidium> means that to-be-signed-certificates go to the root CA to be signed, which means lots of traffic with data from unknown sources 11:38:45 <Ammler> which os or browser doesn't allow installing certs? 11:38:56 <Rubidium> and if something goes wrong you have to scratch your root CA and ALL certificates that depend on it (i.e. all certificates you ever signed) 11:38:56 <OwenS> Ammler: Installing certs means people don't trust you :p 11:39:05 <OwenS> And it's too complex for users :p 11:39:23 <TrueBrain> Ammler: FF3.5 from time to time says: invalid cert 11:39:26 <OwenS> Rubidium: vs going to an intermediate CA where you have to scratch the intermediate CA and the VERY sizable quantity of certificates signed by it. Same either way 11:39:27 <TrueBrain> and doesnt' allow any way to bypass that 11:39:31 <TrueBrain> simply because it doens't know the root CA 11:40:15 <OwenS> TrueBrain: RapidSSL Wildcard is cheaper than GoDaddy's wildcard... 11:40:37 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I don't care about wildcards 11:40:47 <OwenS> Their standard is cheaper also :p 11:40:55 <Rubidium> OwenS: a part of your customers vs all customers 11:41:09 <Rubidium> in the latter you can better close your company 11:41:27 <TrueBrain> OwenS: 20 euro for godaddy vs 80 dollar for RapidSSL 11:41:29 <TrueBrain> dunno .. 11:41:46 <OwenS> Rubidium: Multiple root means that the company you're getting your cert from just got a signing cert from someone else rather than owning their own. In other words... works same either way :p 11:41:56 <OwenS> TrueBrain: http://www.namecheap.com/learn/other-services/ssl-certificates.asp .95 :p 11:42:28 <TrueBrain> a subseller ... 11:42:45 <OwenS> TrueBrain: GoDaddy are too.. 11:42:47 <Rubidium> OwenS: IIRC Verisign makes it's own signing certs 11:43:00 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I can't find any record of that (also not if they are a Root CA) 11:43:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17282 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/doc/ (sqstdlib2.chm sqstdlib2.pdf squirrel2.chm squirrel2.pdf): -Fix (r17195): the squirrel documentation files were not updated 11:43:21 <Ammler> I guess, firefox is the only browser which has the root cert installed from startssl 11:43:23 <OwenS> Rubidium: They sign theirs directly from their many year old root CA 11:43:44 <OwenS> Ammler: Ubuntu Firefox doesn't have it - it gets it's CAs from the system CA hive 11:43:59 <Rubidium> guess they undid some of the security they once had ;) 11:44:29 <OwenS> TrueBrain: RapidSSL comes fromEquifax Secure eBusiness CA-1 11:44:35 <Ammler> OwenS: you can safely ignore linux user in that case. 11:44:58 <OwenS> Ammler: But AFAIK it doesn't ship it on Windows either 11:45:34 <Ammler> yes, ie didn't allow, but ff did. 11:46:01 <Ammler> so it seems no free cert for all :-( 11:46:25 <OwenS> StartSSL is only useful if you're setting up a Jabber server 11:48:07 <TrueBrain> http://www.rapidssl.com/ssl-certificate-products/rapidssl/usd/ssl-certificate-rapidssl.htm <- sounds decent 11:48:14 <TrueBrain> they are root CA, and accepted by most browers 11:49:46 <Ammler> imo, not worth to pay for it. 11:50:05 <TrueBrain> well, the problems with the current certificate is not worth the trouble either :p 11:50:16 <TrueBrain> cacert is not as accepted as they want us to believe 11:50:22 <Ammler> indeed, better keep it like now then. :-) 11:50:35 <TrueBrain> huh? You rather keep the trouble? 11:50:51 <Ammler> you don't have, if oyu don't use ssl, like I asked for. 11:51:07 <Rubidium> maybe ask them for sponsoring 11:51:25 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: somehow I doubt they will do that, but yeah, that is an option :) 11:51:58 <Rubidium> like: we don't need to ,000 warranty, we just need a wildcard SSL certificate for our open source project 11:52:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:505d:fe1:345d:1a8f] has joined #openttd 11:52:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:52:20 <TrueBrain> I always wonder what those warranties are for :p 11:52:44 <Rubidium> for when their root key get stolen and people hijack your site 11:53:02 <TrueBrain> how would they hijack our site? :p 11:53:32 <Rubidium> rerouting IP traffic etc. 11:53:37 <OwenS> How? :P 11:53:39 <OwenS> I mean.. they don't even have your private key :p 11:53:51 <Ammler> m?h, isn't that the whole reason for ssl certs? 11:54:19 <Rubidium> OwenS: but the SSL provider has (had?) it 11:55:21 <OwenS> Rubidium: No they don't. You send them your CSR, which is your unsigned public key, they sign it and send you it back 11:56:09 <Rubidium> so then the whole warranty if pointless? 11:56:17 <TrueBrain> signing certs is pointless 11:56:35 <Rubidium> signing certs via the internet at least is 11:57:09 <TrueBrain> cacert for sure is pointless, as every maniac can make another cert which looks the same as ours 11:57:12 <OwenS> The warranty is about mis-issued certificates. Whatever that is 11:57:35 <blathijs> If a root CA is leaked, an attacker can generate certificates for any domain, and thus perform valid-looking man-in-the-middle attacks 11:58:01 <blathijs> But they can attack any client with the root CA installed, not just domains that have a certificate from that root CA 12:00:25 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Uh, it seems that cacert actually does some level of identity control, so that looks ok 12:00:34 <TrueBrain> blathijs: they 'identified' me 12:00:36 <TrueBrain> makes you wonder :p 12:00:36 <blathijs> better than most SSL certificates, which aren't ID-verified 12:00:59 <blathijs> According to cacert.nl, you need to identify yourself with a valid national ID 12:01:08 <TrueBrain> try cacert.org ;) 12:01:27 <blathijs> (Though that only helps if they also verify that against whois info in the domain...) 12:01:50 <blathijs> dunno, I didn't think cacert.org was really clear. No "what is cacert anyway?" page anywhere 12:01:52 <Rubidium> oh, that they didn't 12:01:53 <OwenS> The standard for non-EV SSL certs is 1) A phonecall 2) An e-mail to one of the domain's administration addresses 12:02:17 <TrueBrain> cacert.org is automated 12:02:27 <TrueBrain> I believe there was some validation over a @openttd.org email 12:02:30 <TrueBrain> can't remember really 12:02:37 <Ammler> startssl verifies with fix email to the whois db or [web|post]master@domain 12:02:37 <OwenS> I got an e-mail and an automated phonecall 12:02:40 <TrueBrain> for sure no real identification, only simple web-queries 12:02:52 <OwenS> (From Commodo) 12:03:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:08:33 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Yeah, it seems that you need to verify using a postmaster@domain email 12:08:47 <Ammler> he, you could use FreeSSL from RapidSSL, you just need to rename monthly ;-) 12:08:49 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Which is sortof secure for the domain 12:08:59 <Ammler> renew* 12:09:11 <blathijs> TrueBrain: And you can only put the domain in the certificate, no realname, location, tec 12:10:18 <blathijs> But it seems you can't do that ever... 12:10:40 <blathijs> The only advantage of ID'ing, is that you get a 24 month validity instead of 6 month 12:10:59 <blathijs> (and there is some stuff like using your real name in client certificates) 12:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> grr... this revolutions mod is difficult... i can't keep these bastards under control... 12:31:50 <Belugas> hello 12:41:56 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:48:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17283 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/ (3 files in 3 dirs): -Cleanup [Squirrel]: remove a few unneeded changes to squirrel code 12:48:34 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm77.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:54:12 <glx> TrueBrain: I had a working 10.4.8 install :) 12:54:19 <TrueBrain> _had_ :p 12:54:30 <glx> but I stupidely tried to update it to 10.4.11 12:54:49 <TrueBrain> either way, it is progress ;) 12:54:55 <TrueBrain> maybe you can try the 10.5 boot-132 method :) 12:55:17 <glx> trying to dl leo4all 10.5.2 12:55:47 <TrueBrain> good thing about boot-132 method, is that you can upgrade 12:56:55 <glx> I have an AMD cpu :) 12:57:00 <TrueBrain> so? 12:58:17 <glx> kernel updates are problematic 12:58:47 <TrueBrain> not with the vodoo-mach_kernel 12:58:50 <TrueBrain> (which you want anyway) 12:59:21 <TrueBrain> bah, I somehow need to convert a dmg to iso again 13:01:15 <glx> try 7-zip to navigate through dmg 13:01:26 <TrueBrain> I need the bootloader 13:02:03 <TrueBrain> hmm ... via ESXi it seems I can't get AMD-V to work :( 13:02:29 <TrueBrain> I guess that shouldn't really suprise me 13:03:05 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:03:43 <glx> grr without tpb it's quite hard to download 13:04:42 <TrueBrain> hmm .. and demonoid closed his invite-system 13:05:12 <glx> I found many torrents but they all have tpb as tracker 13:06:51 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.223.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE844e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:09:18 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:14:41 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 13:22:24 <TrueBrain> I really dislike about OSX that you need OSX to handle any of their files or thingies 13:24:09 <Rubidium> Neelie! Neelie! Neelie! 13:29:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:32:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F762.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:00 *** green-devil [~l@d40a9496.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 13:33:28 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@150.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:39:10 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fda8f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 13:51:05 <OwenS> One tracker has announced it's traffix has multiplied 8 times since TPB went down, lol 13:58:38 <Belugas> TPB? The Pirate Bay? Down? 13:58:42 <Belugas> OMG OMG OMG! 13:58:53 <OwenS> Their ISP's ISP got forced to disconnect them yesterday 13:58:58 <OwenS> The site is back up but the trackers are down 14:00:39 <glx> trackers are not really needed with DHT ;) 14:00:49 <glx> but they help 14:00:58 <OwenS> DHT still really needs trackers to bootstrap 14:01:23 <glx> I downloaded 10.4.8 using DHT only 14:02:01 <KenjiE20> just add opentbittorrent to everything :P 14:02:20 <TrueBrain> the end of the torrent network this is ;) 14:03:58 <OwenS> OpenBittorrent, publicBT and TheHiddenTracker :p 14:04:07 <OwenS> The last will be a bitch for anyone to go after :p 14:05:20 <Rubidium> what they just did is make the more or less "monopolist" die, which mean that the others will take over making it harder to get control over the whole thing 14:06:01 <OwenS> I wouldn't be surprised if the indexing sites start adding those 3 trackers to all the torrents added to them 14:06:37 <Yexo> TrueBrain: http://wiki.openttd.org/Industries <- "The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "Industries". " 14:07:49 <TrueBrain> I guess a result of yesterdays crash? 14:08:03 <Yexo> did something crash yesterday? 14:08:08 <TrueBrain> the whole server, yes 14:10:26 <TrueBrain> where does wiki store its pages ... :p 14:10:59 <Yexo> TrueBrain: all old versions are accessable, so I can probably fix this page by just saving the last version again 14:11:20 <TrueBrain> yes, but give me a sec 14:11:25 <TrueBrain> I want to see where the corruption happened 14:11:25 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: in the DB ofcourse! 14:11:29 <Rubidium> as binary blob 14:11:37 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I can't find which :p 14:11:47 <TrueBrain> 'cur' 14:11:48 <TrueBrain> LOL 14:15:59 <TrueBrain> nope, that record is indeed not in the table :p 14:16:58 <TrueBrain> and it refuses any save action 14:17:25 <TrueBrain> I wonder if any other page can be changed :p 14:20:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:22:58 <TrueBrain> Yexo: k, I managed to recover the page 14:23:04 <TrueBrain> what does amaze me, it is the only missing record in the wiki 14:23:07 <TrueBrain> and you somehow found it :p 14:23:20 <Yexo> it's the top item in recent changes ;) 14:23:21 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:45 <Yexo> nice work on recovering it :) 14:23:45 <TrueBrain> I still have NO idea where wiki stores its pages 14:23:55 <TrueBrain> but it seems somehow the Page was cached, as the Edit thingy was easy to recover :p 14:24:30 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:25 <TrueBrain> Yexo: just that top entry is not in the database :p 14:25:29 <TrueBrain> so the last edit is no more 14:30:05 <TrueBrain> there, removed the last traces of it :) 14:31:09 <TrueBrain> who has an idea on this: Password Recovery. You will in your usename and email address, your new password. You get an email with validation code, after which your password is set to the one you gave earlier. Sounds good? 14:31:58 <Yexo> most sites that have such a system ask you to enter your new password after you enter the validation code 14:32:13 <TrueBrain> yeah, but I wonder if that is more a habbit or any real reason 14:32:29 <glx> so like new account without creating a new account 14:32:42 <TrueBrain> my method makes the validation mail only validate stuff .. while most methods don't validate, they open a door for you :p 14:32:46 <TrueBrain> glx: exactly 14:32:47 <Yexo> in your proposed scheme: what happens if someone else enters my username and email and a random new password? If I ignore the email, can I still login with the old password? 14:32:56 <TrueBrain> Yexo: of course 14:33:10 <Yexo> then it's fine :) 14:33:25 <TrueBrain> I guess there is the only pitfall, when you click the link while you didn't requested a new password :p 14:33:35 <Yexo> I was about to point that out :) 14:33:47 <Yexo> but then you can use the same system again, and request a nwe password :) 14:33:53 <TrueBrain> very true :) 14:34:03 <Yexo> but at that point your password is (temporarily) known by someone else 14:34:40 <TrueBrain> see, my method is one less page for me to make :p 14:34:48 <Yexo> yes, but it's also less secure 14:35:01 <Yexo> 1. I enter truebrain / truebrain@openttd.org 14:35:18 <TrueBrain> it does require a stupid action from my side, but yes 14:35:18 <Yexo> 2. I wait for you to click the link in the email while trying every minute to log in with the new password 14:35:36 <Yexo> 3. As soon as you click the link, I change the email so effectively taking over your account 14:35:45 <Yexo> it does require a stupid action from my side, but yes <- users are stupid 14:35:50 <glx> any sane user won't click on the link ;) 14:36:04 <glx> only Ammler can do that ;) 14:36:07 <TrueBrain> fair enough Yexo, I will make the password after the validation 14:37:32 <TrueBrain> I wonder in what time you can brute force the validation code :p 14:39:26 <Yexo> just make the validation code long enough and it'll be easier to brute-force the passwords 14:39:37 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 14:40:27 <Yexo> or after 3 tries reset the validation code, so the users has to go through the request validation code process again 14:40:53 <TrueBrain> then I can make it impossible for you to ever use the password recovery :p 14:41:38 <Yexo> you can only do that by doing a lot of requests to the server, and I hope you'll ban users doing that :) 14:41:42 <OwenS> I didn't know the Pirate Party had officially registered in the UK 14:42:07 <TrueBrain> Yexo: if I hacked your account, and I want to keep you from recovering, I can do that :p 14:42:17 <TrueBrain> even completely invisible in the logs 14:42:39 <Yexo> TrueBrain: if you hacked my account you can also change the email so I can't use recovery anymore 14:42:51 <TrueBrain> but that any sysop can spot immediatly ;) 14:43:43 <Yexo> <TrueBrain> even completely invisible in the logs <- you'll have to do N requests to the server for every time I try validation, how is that "invisible in the logs"? (where N is the max number of tries before resetting the validation code) 14:44:03 <TrueBrain> Yexo: remember: 6 hits per second ;) 14:44:20 <TrueBrain> but okay, I guess the chances of that happening for openttd.org are all VERY slim :) 14:44:30 <Yexo> TrueBrain: so set the max number of tries to 10.000 14:44:37 <TrueBrain> yeah :) 14:44:52 <Yexo> the chance that a random validation code is guessed in that many tries is very small, while you can notice that amount of requests 14:45:05 <TrueBrain> true :) 14:49:49 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can unify the validation stuff to work for all cases 14:49:58 <TrueBrain> as I don't feel copy/pasting so much :P 14:57:56 <Eddi|zuHause> "there was a javascript error. please use another browser" 14:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> fuck you. 14:58:31 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 15:03:26 <Rubidium> that's exactly what IE6 users think when Windows Update talks about security issues with IE6 15:03:40 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:04:52 <Gekz_> /wc 15:04:53 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 15:05:19 <TrueBrain> Gekz_ wanted us all to know he was going to take a dump 15:05:24 <TrueBrain> how nice of him 15:09:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17284 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: -Fix [Squirrel]: stack was not always cleared properly with tail recursion 15:10:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:18:06 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:42:52 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0FA28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:15 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-207-14.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17285 /extra/website/ (12 files in 4 dirs): [Website] -Add: a way to recover (read: reset) your password. For those special people ;) 15:57:42 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I would like to dedicate this commit to you 15:58:27 <Ammler> he, nice, do you need both? 15:58:48 <Ammler> something I don't like on redmine, you need the email address to recover 15:59:18 <TrueBrain> here too :) 15:59:26 <TrueBrain> if you can't remember that, you are .. wlel .. not smart :p 16:00:00 <Ammler> well, mostly it works with guessing. 16:00:15 <Ammler> but on websites you lost the pw, you do the same with the emailaddress. 16:01:31 <TrueBrain> if you lose both, you are not smart :) 16:01:39 <TrueBrain> but okay, I guess that means I dedicated this commit to the wrong person 16:01:43 <TrueBrain> :p 16:01:49 <TrueBrain> maybe a: recover email address :p 16:01:51 <TrueBrain> and recover username 16:01:57 <TrueBrain> which blindly picks a username from the database 16:01:59 <TrueBrain> in case you lost that too 16:02:16 <Ammler> wiki and blog just need username. 16:02:38 <Ammler> is that kind of spam protection? 16:03:40 <Ammler> well, anyway, nice to have recover possibilty. 16:04:12 <Ammler> hmm, glx? 16:04:46 <TrueBrain> Ammler: yes, it is spam protection 16:04:51 <TrueBrain> I know too many sites you only need to fill in your username 16:04:55 <glx> what ? 16:05:07 <TrueBrain> which I sadly enough have seen abused more then I would like to admit .. just to annoy me :( 16:05:27 <Ammler> glx: didn't get your highlight :-) 16:05:55 <TrueBrain> so, only a profile page is left .. 16:06:44 <glx> Ammler: read a few lines above the highlight :) 16:06:48 <Ammler> so you don't use your openttd.org address for? 16:07:24 <Ammler> glx: yeah, me is trying to hack your account :-P 16:08:53 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I hope, you don't ban people, which try to many times ;-) 16:09:05 <Ammler> +o 16:09:35 <TrueBrain> depends what they try too many times 16:09:54 <TrueBrain> I tend to ban people who annoy me too many times :p :p :p 16:09:56 * TrueBrain hugs Ammler 16:09:57 <Ammler> in my case: guessing the address 16:10:07 <TrueBrain> don't forget your password in the first place, is my advise 16:11:59 <TrueBrain> (or 'sharing' how you called it :p) 16:12:04 <TrueBrain> I should stop being so mean to people ... 16:12:04 <Belugas> mmmh.. good advice, but too late for me... 16:12:07 * TrueBrain goes sit in a corner :) 16:12:10 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 16:12:16 <TrueBrain> which password you forgot? 16:12:19 <Ammler> a validation email is sent to this address to validate your request 16:12:31 <Ammler> this message appears before I hit the submit button 16:12:46 <TrueBrain> yup, as it says: "is sent" 16:12:50 <TrueBrain> not: will be 16:13:02 <Belugas> my mian openttd one. So i rely only on my ssh key (or whatever it is called) 16:13:10 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 16:13:17 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you already signed up for your LDAP account? 16:13:37 <Ammler> TrueBrain: "before" 16:13:52 <TrueBrain> Belugas: btw, soon SSH key will be the only way to access your SSH account .. passwords will stop to work ;) 16:13:53 <Belugas> since i have no idea what it means, the answer must be "no" 16:13:56 <Ammler> and it also is there, if I use thw wrong address 16:14:18 <TrueBrain> Belugas: hehe :) You haven't tried to login on any webservices lately ;) 16:14:55 <Belugas> nope, a bit too busy either with resuming work, music playing or family "fun" 16:15:33 <Yexo> http://code.google.com/p/geogen/ <- me likes :) 16:15:38 <glx> Belugas: merge your accounts and you'll get a new password ;) 16:15:39 <Yexo> too bad it doesn't compile :( 16:15:58 <Belugas> oooch... bugs.openttd.org rejected me... right... 16:17:36 <glx> just merge your accounts :) 16:19:36 <Belugas> trying it now 16:20:07 <Belugas> ouch... 2 out of 3 passwords forgotten 16:20:26 <TrueBrain> Belugas: so no worries in that case ;) 16:20:26 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I said to a few days ago too :) 16:20:26 <TrueBrain> follow the white rabbit :) 16:20:26 <TrueBrain> Ammler: so without you requesting it you magicly got a recovery in your mailbox? 16:20:52 <Yexo> <TrueBrain> Yexo: I said to a few days ago too :) <- what? 16:22:16 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I did request it. 16:22:29 <Belugas> okok... i'll do that at home, maybe some passwords are still present somewhere... 16:23:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17286 /extra/website/account/forms.py: [Website] -Fix (r17285): if there already was an error, stop checking for any others (which triggers internal errors) 16:24:20 *** Netsplit joule.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: ddfreyne, Tefad, ecke, Ridayah_, Rexxars, Phoenix_the_II, Westie, TheMask96, Exl, PeterT, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:25:08 *** Netsplit over, joins: Singaporekid, Westie, Phoenix_the_II, Exl, ecke, Tefad, Rexxars, TheMask96, ccfreak2k, stuffcorpse (+2 more) 16:26:01 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:26:52 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: krushia, N35, SirSquid1ess, CIA-1, Azrael-, @Belugas, Lachie_, mikegrb 16:27:04 *** Netsplit over, joins: @Belugas, Lachie_, Azrael-, krushia, SirSquid1ess, N35, CIA-1, mikegrb 16:27:12 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:53 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:53 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 16:32:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:33:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 16:33:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 16:33:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 16:35:55 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@190.8-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:50 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@150.162.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:54 <TrueBrain> [18:24] <Yexo> <TrueBrain> Yexo: I said to a few days ago too :) <- what? <- that geogen is nice :) 16:40:04 <TrueBrain> Belugas: I can help you out if you like 16:40:08 <Yexo> ah :) 16:40:29 <Yexo> I wasn't online this weekend, so that's why I probably missed that 16:40:39 <TrueBrain> oh, even if you were here, you most likely missed it :) 16:40:51 <TrueBrain> but I just wanted to tell you I liked it too :) 16:42:02 *** Azrael [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:46:45 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:51:13 <Belugas> TrueBrain, it would be usefull, i guess 16:51:31 <Belugas> although i would not be able to read the mail up until i'd be home... 16:58:11 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 17:07:17 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, you do have signup and merge pages already, so that's what you were writing 17:09:02 <TrueBrain> Belugas: hehe :) Well, signup for an account (via merge) and fill in as many accounts as you can remember. Let me know when you did. Do not activate anything just yet ;) 17:09:11 <TrueBrain> blathijs: we have that for a few days now :p 17:09:57 <blathijs> Didn't see it yet 17:10:09 <TrueBrain> blathijs: then you don't login to the services that often ;) :p 17:10:24 <blathijs> Hmm, it seems my username doesn't exist on www.openttd.org anymore (as in, the merge tool says it doesn't) 17:10:31 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Nope, hardly ever :-p 17:10:58 <TrueBrain> what do you think your username is? :p 17:11:04 <blathijs> blathijs 17:11:08 <TrueBrain> really? :) 17:11:14 <blathijs> Or did openttd.org get an auth overhaul before? 17:11:24 <blathijs> My firefox lists blathijs, and I remember using blathijs 17:11:25 <TrueBrain> nope, it hasn't changed in over a year 17:11:33 <TrueBrain> I haven't that on list anywhere :p 17:11:38 <Rubidium> blathijs: what username did you use for svn? 17:11:47 <blathijs> matthijs, probably 17:11:56 <TrueBrain> tha tI haved listed in bugs, wiki and www 17:11:57 <TrueBrain> ;) 17:12:03 <Belugas> TrueBrain, 1/3 performed 17:12:09 <blathijs> matthijs gives an incorrect password, so I'll have another look 17:12:10 <TrueBrain> no user-system knows blathijs, sorry :) 17:12:34 <blathijs> TrueBrain: I think that that the www.openttd.org did get an overhaul then, but probably quite some time ago 17:12:47 <blathijs> Before secure.openttd.org and the ssh svn stuff 17:12:52 <TrueBrain> Belugas: you can now continue with step 2/3 and 3/3 ;) When activating, all 3 accounts will be linked :) 17:13:09 <TrueBrain> the new website went live 18 months ago or so :p 17:13:29 <TrueBrain> but yes, the website before that, had blathijs :p 17:13:37 <TrueBrain> long long long terribly long ago :p 17:13:38 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: more like 12 months (with the new server IIRC) 17:14:14 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I guess you are not Matthijs which is listed on www. :p 17:14:19 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, that was my question 17:14:27 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Oh, that might also be the case 17:14:34 <blathijs> I probably never registered on the new website 17:14:37 <TrueBrain> I don't think your lastname starts with a H :p 17:14:43 <blathijs> Nope 17:14:55 <blathijs> Bah, so now I don't have the matthijs username? :-) 17:15:07 <TrueBrain> I can fix that for you :p 17:15:17 <TrueBrain> but it might not be so nice :p 17:16:44 <blathijs> Actually, it is fixed right now 17:16:56 <blathijs> since the other matthijs hasn't registered for an LDAP account yet 17:17:04 <blathijs> so now "matthijs" is mine again, also on www. :-) 17:17:10 <TrueBrain> no, but you will fail to activate your account :) 17:17:32 <TrueBrain> or so I hope, else I did something terrible wrong :p 17:17:46 <blathijs> I just activated my account and logged in to www. 17:17:52 <TrueBrain> auch :p 17:17:56 <blathijs> Why? 17:18:05 <blathijs> I didn't link in any www. account 17:18:19 <TrueBrain> euhm .. let me explain to you in private :p 17:18:45 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... 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OH NO! :) 17:19:54 <frosch123> i should register as orudge just in case you want to merge with the forums :p 17:20:45 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 17:20:48 <orudge> frosch123: tsk 17:21:04 <TrueBrain> which brings us to the question: orudge: do you think it would be somehow possible to link our LDAP to the forums? 17:21:35 <orudge> TrueBrain: well, possibly 17:21:50 <orudge> something I've been vaguely planning for years is a "single sign-on" system for the forums and associated sites 17:22:05 <orudge> currently a couple of sites use the forum database, but that is basically by directly linking to it, which obviously isn't ideal 17:22:06 <orudge> so, hmm 17:22:08 <TrueBrain> I hope openttd.org is that by the end of next month ;) 17:22:13 <orudge> if you/we can come up with a system, then sure ;) 17:22:19 <SpComb> OpenID! 17:22:24 <SpComb> orudge@tt-forums.net 17:22:29 <TrueBrain> well, we could link the LDAP of OpenTTD.org directly to tt-forums 17:22:38 <TrueBrain> meaning when you create an account there, you also hav eone for all openttd.org services 17:23:25 <SpComb> openttd.org user registrations go into LDAP? 17:23:29 <orudge> woo, my accounts are, it seems, merged 17:23:51 <TrueBrain> SpComb: as of a few days, yes 17:23:58 <SpComb> not bad 17:24:03 <SpComb> we also did an LDAP migration this weekend 17:24:09 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:12 <SpComb> from NIS :/ 17:24:20 <SpComb> with custom and buggy user management scripts 17:24:27 <SpComb> and ten years of legacy users 17:25:31 <orudge> hmm, well, phpBB does support LDAP 17:26:05 <TrueBrain> problem only is that tt-forums is off-site for openttd.org 17:26:10 <orudge> well, yes 17:26:43 <orudge> it might be a plan to set up some sort of LDAP server for tt-forums (of course, that'd also mean importing thousands of users and the like, not a small undertaking) 17:26:49 <orudge> of course, security with non-local links and the like may be issues 17:27:02 <orudge> anyway, thoughts are welcome. I must get on with some other work just now 17:27:29 <blathijs> Running LDAP over SSL might be sufficient 17:27:40 <TrueBrain> and only allow certain IPs 17:28:04 <blathijs> though you might want to have some syncing / master slave setup instead, so tt-forums won't die when the openttd server is unreachable :-) 17:28:28 <TrueBrain> and tt-forums is a superset of openttd.org .. dunno if LDAP has anything for that 17:29:03 <orudge> well 17:29:10 <orudge> perhaps just have the one forum database 17:29:21 <blathijs> Well, if you merge the domains, you would import everything from the forum into openttd ldap I guess 17:29:29 <orudge> which we could import the openttd things into (and watch out for rogue users trying to fake me ;)) 17:29:45 <orudge> or something along those lines 17:29:49 <TrueBrain> orudge: the openttd ldap is very custom; merging that with the forums might be a bit too much 17:29:53 <orudge> hmm 17:29:56 <TrueBrain> (we use groups for authentication) 17:29:58 <TrueBrain> authorization 17:30:00 <TrueBrain> lol 17:30:14 <orudge> we'd have to look into it more 17:30:19 <orudge> anyway, I must really get on with work now, heh :) 17:30:28 <TrueBrain> :) 17:30:30 <TrueBrain> enjoy! 17:30:34 <SpComb> TrueBrain: out of curiosity, do you have your structure documented somewhere? 17:30:40 <orudge> the joys of extended MAPI 17:30:43 <TrueBrain> SpComb: no; why? 17:34:34 <SpComb> dunno, wondering how people use LDAP 17:35:50 <TrueBrain> ah; well, I can document it 17:36:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:01 <Chris_Booth> what is the openttd bug report website? 17:39:14 <TrueBrain> http://bugs.openttd.org 17:39:17 <TrueBrain> who would have guessed 17:41:13 <Chris_Booth> you 17:42:17 <TrueBrain> orudge: I will now merge your SSH account with LDAP (no need for any action from your side) 17:42:26 <orudge> TrueBrain: OK 17:42:58 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 17:43:04 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:43:34 <TrueBrain> orudge: all done 17:44:00 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17287 /trunk/src/lang/ (latvian.txt polish.txt): 17:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 32 changes by dzhins 17:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 1 changes by Kogut 17:50:45 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@190.8-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 17:51:26 <orudge> TrueBrain: well, I can login, so that seems to have worked at least :) 17:51:42 <TrueBrain> of course :) :p 17:52:12 <orudge> hmm 17:52:31 <orudge> out of curiosity, why is the shell openttd-shell.sh and what is special about that? I've not logged into the server in a while, don't remember that ;) 17:54:11 <TrueBrain> it is new, with LDAP :) 17:54:23 <TrueBrain> in this case the shell is a symlink to /bin/sh 17:54:27 <TrueBrain> because you are a developer :p 17:54:32 <TrueBrain> and have access to the so called PAM-Web 17:54:49 <TrueBrain> if I setup any other VPS (and another PAM), like for NoAI, they will have very restricted access 17:54:58 <TrueBrain> that wrapper-script will ensure me I can restrict the access 17:55:23 <TrueBrain> (as I can only give 1 user 1 shell, this allows me to have different systems behave differently on login) 17:55:42 <TrueBrain> there are other solutions, within LDAP even, but this is the most clear I think :) 17:56:44 <OwenS> TrueBrain: So, in other words, you go "is this user a member of this group?" :P 17:56:58 <SpComb> OpenSSH takes an AllowGroups conf option 17:57:08 <SpComb> if OpenSSH is your only login 17:57:15 <TrueBrain> well, OpenSSH doesn't, but the nss-ldapd does 17:57:25 <TrueBrain> (restriction at PAM level is MUCH easier :p) 17:57:38 <TrueBrain> but that doesn't give the ability to give some people other shells then others 17:58:00 <TrueBrain> like: I want a /bin/sh. But if OwenS would to have a NoAI project, he should only be able to use the svn binary 17:58:12 <TrueBrain> this is not possible via AllowGroups ;) 17:58:49 <TrueBrain> so I guess what OwenS suggests is not true: you cannot login in our PAM-Web. Not because of the script, but because sshd denies you (because of you not listed via NSS :p) 18:00:25 <blathijs> 19:57:38 < TrueBrain> but that doesn't give the ability to give some people other shells then others <-- That's easy, but you want to give some systems other shells than others 18:00:49 <TrueBrain> blathijs: yeah, indeed :) 18:02:04 <TrueBrain> 10% of our users logged in the past few days .. that is much more than I expected :) 18:02:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE844e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:19 <blathijs> Yeah, indeed 18:04:44 <TrueBrain> stupid Redmine doesn't support LDAP group filtering :( 18:04:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F762.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:05 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 18:07:02 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:31 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0FA28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 18:31:25 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:31:25 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:35 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 18:33:18 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0E560.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:09 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0E560.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 18:37:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:46:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translator * r17288 /trunk/src/lang/ (22 files in 2 dirs): -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: fix newlines (had to test a new commit system) 18:47:01 <TrueBrain> oaky .. that clearly fails :p 18:57:14 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:33 <TrueBrain> wb Yexo :) 18:57:39 <TrueBrain> when will you be integrating geocon? :p 18:57:45 <TrueBrain> geogen even 18:57:46 <TrueBrain> lol 18:58:00 <Yexo> As soon as I have a reactino from the author ;) 18:58:26 <TrueBrain> I wonder why he made it for Squirrel :p 18:59:07 <Yexo> I think (but not sure) that the author is CommanderZ, who has done openttd map gen patches before (so the intention might always have been eventually integrating it) 18:59:34 <TrueBrain> ah :) Well, it seems a welcome addition, if you ask me :) 18:59:45 <TrueBrain> TGP is a big step forward, but far from perfect :) 19:00:00 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0D242.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:10 <Belugas> what??? Richk failed to do some proper coding??? 19:00:11 <Yexo> I've already implemented something like it were the map generation was compeltely done in squirrel, but that was way too slow 19:00:32 <Yexo> the nice thing about geogen is that all expensive operations are in C++ 19:00:37 <TrueBrain> Belugas: don't forget we finished it, so we are partly to blame :P 19:03:34 <Belugas> arrr arrrr arrrr 19:04:15 <TrueBrain> you are a pirate! 19:04:23 <TrueBrain> and we are all very very very scared 19:05:39 * valhallasw forces Belugas to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsJyfN0ICU on repeat 19:06:00 <Belugas> at work? of course NOT! 19:06:12 <Belugas> evilish youtube... NEVE TO BE TRUSTED! 19:06:14 * TrueBrain slaps valhallasw 19:06:19 * valhallasw runs ~/o/ 19:07:10 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm77.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:46 * TrueBrain gets revenge on valhallasw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd9mDTRiypw 19:09:08 <TrueBrain> worst translation ever 19:13:50 <valhallasw> IM NOT CLICKING >(^_^)< 19:14:27 <valhallasw> and then I switched windows, saw a link and clicked. IRC reflexes suck. 19:14:54 <Terkhen> maybe the second link helps me taking the first song out of my mind... 19:21:07 <Terkhen> great, now I can't take out of my mind the spanish version of the smurf theme 19:22:49 <glx> the french one came into my mind 19:28:16 <TrueBrain> enjoy it ;) The rest of the day! 19:31:18 <Rubidium> oh, it's post insane youtube songs? 19:31:47 <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iujv_-p69wU 19:32:41 <TrueBrain> a song with true potential .. just .. the singers fucked that up 19:33:22 <Rubidium> well, what do you want when an American is singing Japanese ;) 19:37:30 <TrueBrain> I love youtube .. you click a song, you see the right clip, and a COMPELTELY different song :p 19:37:53 *** ddfreyne [~ddfreyne@stoneship.org] has left #openttd [] 19:38:24 <TrueBrain> and youtube should normalize all sound 19:39:48 <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqNKzNrwLU <- also something of superb quality 19:40:40 <glx> yeah minimoni :) 19:41:32 <Rubidium> oh, an expert! :) 19:41:45 <TrueBrain> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta-ATEOOo8M <- this ALWAYS amazes me ... 19:42:25 <Rubidium> hmm, I think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZGn-nn8bBA is related to what valhallasw posted 19:43:19 <TrueBrain> "I decided to donate the sum of ,500,000 (three million five hundred thousand dollars) to you for the good work of the lord, and also to help the motherless and less privilege and also for the assistance of the widows and unfortunate mothers. At the moment I cannot take any telephone calls right now due to the fact that my husband's relatives are always around me and trying to see if they can overhear my conversations and my health status as well. 19:43:21 <TrueBrain> " <- WHOHO!!!!!!!! 19:43:43 <TrueBrain> "NB: I will appreciate your utmost confidentiality in this matter until the task is accomplished as I don't want anything that will jeopardize my wish." <- DOH! 19:43:44 <TrueBrain> sorry ... 19:43:51 <OwenS> lol 19:44:28 <Rubidium> "Sorry, but I got no use for Zambabwian dollars" 19:45:37 <Rubidium> *Zimbabwean 19:47:03 <TrueBrain> I always love spam .. really .. I do 19:47:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:39 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: no need to start sending my spam I already received 19:50:43 <TrueBrain> I do like unique entries :) 19:51:02 <TrueBrain> http://www.youtube.com/user/animusicllc?blend=1&ob=4 <- do give slightly different youtube links (while we are at that) 19:51:03 <Rubidium> but... but... this one has another unique ID! 19:51:29 <TrueBrain> if you would have 2 the same unique IDs, they don't be unique IDs :p 19:51:33 <TrueBrain> but they are called MessageIDs :p 19:52:51 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:06 <OwenS> TrueBrain: OK, regarding that animusic link, I can only say... W.T.F. 20:03:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:37 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:26 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:28 <_ln> no linux for the new PS3 then 20:18:28 <_ln> equals no openttd for the new PS3 20:21:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2796.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B36E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:25:16 <OwenS> _ln: Have they said they're removing the OtherOS feature or just that it will be unsupported? 20:26:29 <glx> they remove it 20:26:30 <_ln> ""The new PS3 system will focus on delivering games and other entertainment content, and users will not be able to install other Operating Systems to the new PS3 system," Sony stated in the press materials.", arstechnica quotes. 20:28:05 <SmatZ> _ln: there is running linux on several devices that weren't supposed to be hacked 20:28:43 <glx> SmatZ: PS3 was not hacked to run linux, it was a native option 20:29:22 <SmatZ> :( 20:29:37 <SmatZ> glx: it doesn't mean it won't be hacked though 20:29:43 <SmatZ> but I don't understand the decision 20:29:48 <SmatZ> ah of course 20:30:06 <SmatZ> PS3 is sold under manufacturing cost 20:30:10 <glx> btw they also removed PS1 and PS2 game support too 20:30:23 <SmatZ> and the sold software, as games, provides the revenue 20:30:50 <_ln> not all PS3s had PS1/2 support for a long time anyway. 20:31:35 <OwenS> PS1 game support is still there 20:31:42 <OwenS> PS1 games have always been fully emulated 20:32:08 <_ln> hmm. didn't know that. well, i've only had a PS3 for a month. 20:32:48 <OwenS> I wonder how long it will be before someone cracks the PS3Slim's copy protection to run Linux and the flood gates open for pirated games... 20:33:15 * _ln has run OpenTTD on PS3 and 40" tv. 20:33:28 <valhallasw> http://link.marktplaats.nl/274237508 20:33:31 <valhallasw> er 20:33:36 <valhallasw> wrong button >_< 20:33:43 <valhallasw> right-click-paste kinda sucks :') 20:33:56 <SmatZ> :) 20:34:35 <OwenS> I've not bothered installing Linux on my PS3 as it would only be useful if I could use it as a HTPC. Which you can't 20:36:25 <Belugas> bye bye 20:37:47 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 20:38:03 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 20:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is weeds already over? 20:41:46 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECCFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:06 <Eddi|zuHause> 11 episodes is a very strange number for a whole season 20:44:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, tv.com said there was an episode yesterday 20:44:28 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Wouldn't be too unusual for a british one 20:44:37 <OwenS> Or one which got cancelled :p 20:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> no... weeds already had a 2 season order last year 20:45:22 <Eddi|zuHause> tv.com says the season has 13 episodes 20:45:43 <Chris_Booth> hello 20:45:59 <Chris_Booth> i have found a bug in openttd 20:46:03 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 20:46:10 <Chris_Booth> i have roported it 20:46:43 <Eddi|zuHause> if you reported it, then the right people will get noticed 20:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause> notified 20:46:55 <Chris_Booth> you can add any wagon you like to a pax only multiple unit train such as a TGV in the 2cc set 20:46:56 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 20:47:27 <Yexo> Chris_Booth: please report bugs to the correct people next time 20:47:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and you confirmed first that it is a bug of openttd and not of the 2cc set? 20:48:26 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: that's exactly the reason I closed the report :) 20:50:47 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:51:07 <Chris_Booth> yeah it works in UKRS and DBXL 20:51:27 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:28 <Chris_Booth> Yexo dont close the report me and ammler tested it 20:52:06 <Yexo> <Chris_Booth> yeah it works in UKRS and DBXL <- Now it's even more likely it's a bug of the 2cc set 20:52:26 <Chris_Booth> no the same issue happens in UKRS and DBXL 20:52:30 <Yexo> Bugs in NewGRFs should NOT be reported on bugs.openttd.org, but instead in the topic of that newgrf (or whatever website 20:52:31 <Chris_Booth> and jap set 20:52:36 <Chris_Booth> and nars 2 20:52:50 <Chris_Booth> it happens in all new grfs 20:52:57 <Chris_Booth> and doesnt happen in ttdpatch 20:53:02 <Ammler> what is the FS# ? 20:53:07 <Yexo> 3146 20:53:15 <Chris_Booth> i could even create screen shots 20:53:19 <Chris_Booth> ask ammler 20:53:45 <Yexo> Chris_Booth / Ammler: reopened the bug report, please add a comment with more information 20:54:18 <Ammler> well, it is obvious, you can't attach a waggon to some engines. 20:54:27 <Ammler> but you can attach the engine to the waggons. 20:54:50 <Chris_Booth> let me make some screen shots 20:54:54 <Ammler> (wasn't able to the same with patch) 20:55:16 <Yexo> Ammler: now that ^^ is a clear description 20:55:35 <Yexo> but I probably won't be able to help you any further, ask frosch123 20:55:56 <frosch123> and I probably won'T be able to help you any further today :p 20:56:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fda8f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:03 <Ammler> :-) 20:57:41 <planetmaker> lol :-) 20:58:55 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 21:08:28 *** tdev [~tdev@p508ECCFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:04 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:11:17 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [] 21:15:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE844e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 21:16:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:29 <Chris_Booth> i added screen shot to my bug report 21:28:00 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:17 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:41:58 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:42:34 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 21:52:16 *** 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<Tefad> magic 23:27:31 <dkyle> ok :S 23:27:33 <SmatZ> hehe 23:27:45 <SmatZ> who is al players? 23:27:46 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 23:27:47 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 23:27:49 <SmatZ> hello z-MaTRiX 23:27:51 <Tefad> requires level 3 wizardy skill 23:27:56 <SmatZ> :-) 23:28:40 <dkyle> the computer player how do i change thier company names... 23:28:53 <SmatZ> dkyle: there is noai tutorial somewhere on the wiki... 23:29:12 <Tefad> no way to change name from the console interface? 23:29:17 <SmatZ> dkyle: are you writing a noai? 23:29:22 <SmatZ> no 23:29:30 <Tefad> oh so it really is magical. 23:29:58 <dkyle> wtf is a noai?? 23:30:05 <Tefad> it's the ai system 23:30:08 <Tefad> it runs through noai 23:30:09 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@V9e87.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:30:22 <dkyle> how do i get that lol 23:30:25 <Tefad> AIs run through it rather 23:30:27 <Tefad> it's built-in 23:30:34 <Tefad> you can't change the name of other players. 23:30:40 <dkyle> kool 23:30:45 <Tefad> however you can edit AIs to choose a different name when they initalize. 23:31:04 <dkyle> what about getting the original computer players?? for openttd? 23:31:13 <SmatZ> what about no? 23:31:21 <Tefad> hahahahahahaha the old AI is so screwed 23:31:24 <SmatZ> they're gone 23:31:25 <SmatZ> for good 23:31:32 <dkyle> haha 23:31:48 <dkyle> tefad how do i get them to choose a diff name? 23:32:05 <Tefad> edit their script 23:32:17 <dkyle> how do i do that? 23:32:29 <Tefad> notepad.exe vi .. your text editor of choice 23:32:40 <Tefad> depending on the encoding, notepad.exe may be a bad one.. might use wordpad instead. 23:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:10 *** dkyle [~dkyle@host86-134-2-175.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:33:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE844e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:43 <SmatZ> hmm is dkyle a troll? 23:34:05 <PeterT> he seems like a pre 0.5 user 23:34:34 <Tefad> my openttd urges come and go 23:34:41 <SmatZ> "I love the old AI because it had so great company names!" 23:34:51 <PeterT> hehe 23:34:56 <Tefad> so i get out of date from time to time.. 23:35:06 <Tefad> opengfx = awesome btw. 23:35:12 <SmatZ> :) 23:35:20 <Tefad> is the game standalone yet? 23:35:23 <PeterT> opensfx is ok 23:35:33 <PeterT> some sounds, like the bomb 23:35:36 <PeterT> are really cool 23:35:43 <Tefad> i use nosound 23:35:46 <SmatZ> Tefad: good question, actually it may be 23:36:00 <OwenS> It should be with NewGFX and Nosound 23:38:11 <SmatZ> yay 23:38:12 <SmatZ> it works 23:38:17 <SmatZ> opengfx + opensfx :) 23:39:46 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:39:48 <SmatZ> when original data files are removed 23:39:48 <PeterT> why wouldnt it? 23:39:59 <PeterT> oh 23:41:00 <SmatZ> hmm but it segfaults 23:41:04 <SmatZ> 95% working 23:41:08 <SmatZ> now WHY 23:42:42 *** dkyle 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