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00:02:33 <welshdragon> hmm 00:02:58 <welshdragon> i've found a bug, but i don't know if i t relates to IS 2 Beta 3 00:03:01 <OwenS> Does takeoff/landing use special sprites? 00:03:21 <welshdragon> or to trunk... 00:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: cool, we don't know either 00:03:27 <Yexo> OwenS: I think so, but I'm not sure about the default sprites 00:04:32 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i believe newgrfs can use varaction2 for detecting wether an aircraft is in the takeoff phase 00:04:36 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: i change the company colour in the new colour scheme window, but the individual vehicle (rail, road, air, sea) don't change to the global setting 00:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: that might be a newgrf bug 00:05:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:05:36 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: but it's worked fine before... 00:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause> or some kind of cache not being invalidated 00:05:49 * welshdragon suspects IS2 B3 00:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: try to reproduce it in trunk 00:06:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard about some newgrfs having problems with incorrect company colours 00:06:57 <Eddi|zuHause> especially in vehicle chains, where the first vehicle changed, but the rest did not 00:07:21 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause it's a trunk bug too in 0.7.1 (i don't have 0.7.2 00:07:23 <welshdragon> ) 00:07:53 <Ammler> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/worldairlineset/repository/changes/sprites/png/Airbus/A330/A330-300/Lufthansa.png <-- indeed, newgrfs have a lot more sprites. 00:08:16 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.7 is not trunk 00:08:26 <welshdragon> ... 00:08:43 <welshdragon> trunk as in a nightly? 00:08:59 <Ammler> trunk as not 0.7 branch :-) 00:09:26 <welshdragon> ok 00:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. a nightly that is not older than a few days will probably do 00:10:17 <Ammler> well, but I guess, also bugs for 0.7 can be reported. 00:10:19 <Yexo> Ammler: it looks like those planes already have NW<>SE land/takeoff sprites :) 00:10:40 <Ammler> yexo, indeed, :-) 00:10:51 <Yexo> also bugs for 0.7 can be reported. <- in that case use the latest stable, so 0.7.2 00:11:33 <welshdragon> yeah, it'll have to wait 00:11:40 <welshdragon> im on a 512kbps connection 00:11:58 <welshdragon> (supposedly broadband) 00:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> thst's still better thsn mine 00:13:04 <OwenS> Thats about what I get during peak hours. When my ISP throttles me for using too much bandwidth ;p 00:13:16 <welshdragon> heh 00:13:38 <OwenS> Normally I get about 8mbit/s... which I ought to ring them up about since this is a 16mb/s plan 00:13:43 <OwenS> 20mb/s even... wtf brain? 00:20:18 <MyCatVerbs> OwenS: heehee, NARF. 00:20:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:12 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:18 *** nicfer1 [~Usuario@168.226.105.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:50:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:51:02 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:53:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 00:58:47 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:58:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.10.98] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3] 01:00:44 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:02:11 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 01:03:23 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:07:51 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust18.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:02 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485EAB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:16:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:24 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:19:47 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:21:58 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@51-103.186-72.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 01:34:53 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485ECBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EAB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:23 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c900:e894:58f4:8312] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:14:38 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-141-253-254.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:44:30 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:46:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:09:14 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:35 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:39:49 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:56 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:43:56 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46:11 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 04:37:54 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 04:38:00 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16:30 *** thingwath [~thingie@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 05:25:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:59:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:15:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:18:23 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:41 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:52:46 <Terkhen> good morning 07:00:13 <Alberth> good morning 07:28:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:30 *** Mesolicious [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 07:47:35 *** Mesolicious is now known as Aankhen`` 07:49:37 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 07:50:40 <_ln> 'night 07:50:51 <_ln> did it drop yet? 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10:47:25 <planetmaker> Like, show sprite A for dates < 1920, sprite B for 1920 ... 2000 and sprite B for date > 2000 ? 10:47:36 <planetmaker> possibly via callback? 10:48:44 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't it? 10:51:00 <planetmaker> for one and the same industry? 10:51:05 <planetmaker> not for two different ones 10:51:18 *** Guest675 [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-254-11.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:48 <planetmaker> I've never seen it. 10:52:55 <planetmaker> Doesn't need to mean much, but... 10:55:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.19.149] has joined #openttd 10:57:40 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:00:47 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 11:18:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17305 /branches/0.7/src/ai/api/ (6 files): 11:18:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 11:18:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: [NoAI] AITown::GetLastMonthTransported didn't work as documented at all, make it return what AITown::GetLastMonthProduction did 11:18:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change: [NoAI] AITown::GetLastMonthProduction now returns the same value as AITown::GetMaxProduction 11:18:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Add: [NoAI] AITown::GetLastMonthTransportedPercentage and AIIndustry::GetLastMonthTransportedPercentage 11:19:40 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:21:20 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:39:51 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:17 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause> man, it's totally cold here... 11:47:04 <Alberth> Give your CPUs more work. 11:53:02 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:59:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 12:00:42 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 12:03:49 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:04:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:06:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 12:08:46 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm72.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:10:14 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:12:31 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:388a:6832:2b18:a02e] has joined #openttd 12:13:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:22 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 12:19:43 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:16 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: C-x C-c] 12:27:24 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:47:01 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE907e.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:52:07 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE907e.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: we had that topic already: http://qdb.us/79416 12:59:13 * Alberth is not surprised 13:00:02 * Alberth grabs some heat from the room, and sends it to Eddi|zuHause 13:00:16 * SirSquid1ess yoinks some of the heat 13:00:45 <Alberth> No fighting, there is enough for everybody 13:04:05 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:04:05 *** SirSquid1ess is now known as SirSquidness 13:04:09 <SirSquidness> sweet. 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So for instance, in this ideal world, I'd select a bunch of tiles and shift them one tile to the right, rather than rebuilding the entire thing. 16:26:51 <MyCatVerbs> Aankhen``: ah, I see what you mean. 16:27:55 <Aankhen``> SpComb: Yeah, great idea-- no wait. 16:28:37 <SpComb> need to bring a bit of tension and excitement into the game 16:29:11 <Aankhen``> You get your kicks one way, I get them another... 16:31:00 <SpComb> there's been plenty of controversy re copy-paste features 16:31:31 <SpComb> many people are of the opinion that no such feature should exist 16:31:47 *** Entane [~asdf@195.204.143.175] has joined #openttd 16:31:58 <Aankhen``> Welp, I don't want to add to any controversy. It was just an idle thought. 16:32:03 <Aankhen``> Er, idle wish. 16:32:07 <Aankhen``> Heya Entane. 16:32:13 <Entane> Hey Aankhen`` 16:34:25 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-208-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:37:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-81-214-169.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:05 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 16:37:17 <SmatZ> planetmaker: 16:37:19 <SmatZ> + if (OSErr err = Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &systemVersion) != noErr) { 16:37:34 <SmatZ> interesting construct, OSErr is a bool? 16:37:36 <planetmaker> yes? 16:37:45 <planetmaker> no, it isn't. 16:37:50 <planetmaker> at least I don't think 16:38:07 <planetmaker> IIRC it's an uint or ulongint 16:38:19 <planetmaker> as it reports the type of error 16:38:20 <SmatZ> actually I wonder it's allowed to declare a variable inside if statement :) 16:38:29 <planetmaker> it compiles and works :-P 16:39:01 <planetmaker> I had it first outside, but then moved closest to its use :-) 16:39:02 <SmatZ> it's missing braces 16:39:14 <SmatZ> it's objc though... 16:39:20 <SmatZ> so maybe I am mistaken 16:39:35 <SmatZ> OSErr err = (Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &systemVersion) != noErr) 16:39:41 <SmatZ> this is the behaviour it would have in C 16:40:04 <planetmaker> you mean braces like if ((OSErr err = Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &systemVersion)) != noErr) { 16:40:06 <planetmaker> ? 16:40:50 <planetmaker> honestly, I didn't look up the type of OSErr. I copied it from the example in the quoted link 16:41:31 <planetmaker> but, of course, you're right... your last version of it looks more sane to me :-) 16:41:50 <planetmaker> let's see... 16:42:29 <SmatZ> :) 16:42:42 <SmatZ> I wonder what is the scope of 'err' in this case 16:42:46 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:05 <planetmaker> local. Not used elsewhere 16:43:19 <SmatZ> why does it need to be used at all? 16:43:34 <planetmaker> ... it acutally doesn't :-) 16:43:35 <SmatZ> just "if (Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersion, &systemVersion) != noErr)" wouldn't work? 16:43:37 <SmatZ> hehe :) 16:44:02 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest719 16:44:09 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:45 <planetmaker> let's see what compile tells me 16:44:58 <SmatZ> + if ((err = Gestalt(gestaltSystemVersionMajor, &versionMajor)) != noErr) versionMajor = 0; 16:45:32 <SmatZ> I suppose err isn't needed here too 16:45:58 <SmatZ> (systemVersion & 0x000F); GB would be nicer :) 16:46:44 <planetmaker> GB instead of the masking? 16:47:06 <SmatZ> yeah 16:47:26 <SmatZ> (systemVersion & 0xF000) >> 12) ==> GB(systemVersion, 12, 4) 16:47:49 <SmatZ> hmm that file breaks coding style anyway... 16:48:22 <SmatZ> so no comments from me about camelCase or comment style :-x 16:48:33 <planetmaker> hm 16:49:13 *** Guest719 [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-72-235.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:29 <planetmaker> my patch actually doesn't change too much there, just the version part - and it moves a few var declarations, mainly as I stumbled upon them... 16:51:42 <SmatZ> yeah :) 16:51:57 <planetmaker> I agree that it needs major cleanup. 16:52:15 <planetmaker> also all those magic string lengths. They'd need unification and declaration in one place. 16:52:30 <planetmaker> else, if you change one, you're easily getting seg faults 16:52:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:39 <planetmaker> been there, seen that :-P 16:52:41 <SmatZ> :) 16:52:41 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:53:32 <planetmaker> I didn't want to do a complete overhaul right now. 16:53:39 <planetmaker> I rather do that piecewise :-) 16:53:54 <SmatZ> thanks :) 16:56:28 <SmatZ> planetmaker: what was broken in r8605? 16:56:54 <SmatZ> I think your svn blame doesn't work correctly ;) 16:57:02 <SmatZ> in r8605, the file was just moved 16:57:23 <planetmaker> oh, hm... it was the change which last affected that line 16:57:41 <planetmaker> talks about conversion away from objc to c++ 16:58:01 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:02 <planetmaker> so... maybe even earlier from a functional POV 16:58:17 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has joined #openttd 16:58:25 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17306 /trunk/src/gfx.cpp: -Fix: DrawStringMultiLine() computed available width and height wrongly. 17:01:03 <planetmaker> SmatZ: updated patch uploaded 17:01:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17307 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_rail.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIRail::RemoveRailTrack returned ERR_PRECONDITION_ERROR for road/rail-crossings 17:02:31 <planetmaker> actually, I *think* the version is checked in other places, too. 17:02:52 <planetmaker> So, a proper fix would be to move these version determination to separate functions... 17:03:02 <planetmaker> but that'll need more time... 17:04:47 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.32] has joined #openttd 17:11:46 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0E533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:48 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0BC4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:31 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@72.186.103.51] has joined #openttd 17:23:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:24:04 * AC6000 materializes at 30,000 ft. ... 17:32:21 <planetmaker> within your own interest I hope that you either materialize within the pressurized compartement of a plane or with a propper jumpsuit and a working oxygen supply 17:32:32 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:35:50 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 17:36:52 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:37:29 *** JFBelugas [~jfranc@ip-225.84.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:16 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:23 <AC6000> wb :P 17:41:53 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 17:43:13 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17308 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt german.txt indonesian.txt italian.txt russian.txt): 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 22 changes by glx 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 28 changes by Roujin 17:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 7 changes by fanioz 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 44 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 7 changes by MajestiC 17:46:10 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:48:55 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:07:44 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:58 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 18:27:09 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:27 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-115-213.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 18:34:51 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:10 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:48:09 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@72.186.103.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:51 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@72.186.103.51] has joined #openttd 18:52:35 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:31 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-28-7-22.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [] 18:57:06 <Grelouk> any admin of ex's city mania ? 18:58:18 <PeterT> Grelouk: at his forum 18:58:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:11 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:01:53 <Grelouk> yeah, i could use one right now.. 19:02:03 <Grelouk> a guy is blocking me everywhere 19:11:07 *** Kaas [~Stefan@88.159.121.35] has joined #openttd 19:11:08 *** Entane [~asdf@195.204.143.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:15:47 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:56 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-147-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:25:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-208-221.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:07 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 19:27:57 <asilv> question: if the callback 2E custom cargo generation for houses is used, does the normal cargo generation for passengers/mail happen too or just the callback? 19:29:35 <Yexo> just the callback 19:30:23 <asilv> thanks 19:30:57 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 19:39:48 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:46:29 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:46:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.196.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:53 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:06 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 20:00:44 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17309 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix: not all non-ASCII characters were entered with escapes in the About window 20:06:33 <planetmaker> hm... the version detection for macos can indeed be more unified. 20:06:44 <planetmaker> let's see how it works 20:07:18 *** Default_ [~quassel@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:43 <SmatZ> :) 20:08:57 <SmatZ> planetmaker: about FS#3156, Gestalt sounds very germanish :) are you sure it's available in non-German OSX? 20:09:00 <z-matrica> hey-ho :) 20:09:24 <SmatZ> seems so, interesting :) 20:09:27 <planetmaker> SmatZ: I'm pretty sure. It seems to be part of the official API 20:09:28 <SmatZ> hello z-Matrix 20:09:32 <SmatZ> planetmaker: nice :) 20:09:48 <planetmaker> :-) But I agree that it sounds very German 20:10:14 <z-matrica> someone know of error correction layer for hdd-s below raid/filesystem level for linux? 20:11:01 *** z-matrica is now known as z-MaTRiX 20:11:26 <SmatZ> @seen Bjarni 20:11:26 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 22 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Bjarni> as long as it doesn't happen every 5th minute 20:11:45 <SmatZ> z-MaTRiX: every HDD has its own error-recovery system 20:12:03 <SmatZ> data on disk are encoded with some ECC 20:12:19 <z-MaTRiX> sure, but they are likely to go to badsector land 20:12:47 <SmatZ> how do you mean? 20:12:50 <SmatZ> ah 20:12:51 <SmatZ> hmm 20:12:56 <z-MaTRiX> had some hdds that did it 20:13:01 <SmatZ> bad blocks are listed in the filesystem (afaik) 20:13:08 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm72.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: D:] 20:13:13 <SmatZ> eg. you can add list of bad blocks to mkfs 20:13:17 <SmatZ> *add -> pass 20:13:24 <z-MaTRiX> well, you use a hdd, write data on it, then you cannot read back 20:13:28 <z-MaTRiX> read error 20:13:30 <SmatZ> bad 20:13:32 <z-MaTRiX> so you lose data 20:13:49 <SmatZ> try some utility from HDD manufaturer 20:13:54 <z-MaTRiX> no matter if it relocates it after 20:14:09 <SmatZ> it should be relocated before it becomes unreadable 20:14:19 <SmatZ> 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 099 099 036 Pre-fail Always - 69 20:14:24 <SmatZ> and no files are broken 20:14:29 <z-MaTRiX> yes, that i think is not really possible 20:14:32 <SmatZ> 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 024 024 000 Old_age Always - 89151901 20:14:35 <SmatZ> :) 20:14:37 <SmatZ> why? 20:15:04 <SmatZ> that ECC can have code distance, say, 4 20:15:29 <SmatZ> and if there are two or more fixed bits in given record, the sector may be reallocated 20:15:33 <z-MaTRiX> how about, you have a sector you wrote 2 years ago, and never read out, goes bad, and it is never discovered? 20:15:45 <SmatZ> that's bad 20:15:48 <SmatZ> happens sometimes 20:15:57 <SmatZ> but HDDs do some "offline" tests too 20:16:00 <SmatZ> when they are unused 20:16:18 <z-MaTRiX> sure, that's why was wondering to add 16% of error correction code in a transparent device layer 20:16:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:16:45 <SmatZ> who is adding "16% of error correction code" where? 20:16:57 <z-MaTRiX> they can do offline tests only offline, not 24/7, and not without being powered 20:17:11 <z-MaTRiX> id like to do it 20:17:31 <SmatZ> well, maybe the HDD does tests even when it's being used 20:17:32 <z-MaTRiX> on the hdd ofcourse 20:17:33 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:17:37 <SmatZ> after longer timeout 20:17:47 <z-MaTRiX> /dev/sda 20:18:35 <z-MaTRiX> c1&c2 works nice on a DVD disc for example 20:18:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 20:19:35 <SmatZ> sorry, I don't know what c1 and c2 is 20:20:23 <SmatZ> but you get some c1 and c2 rates when reading the disc 20:20:52 <z-MaTRiX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed-Solomon_error_correction 20:20:55 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:21:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2D0D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:15 <SmatZ> hmm yeah I was taught that... 20:21:31 <z-MaTRiX> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_detection_and_correction 20:21:58 <z-MaTRiX> http://www.cd-dvd-discs.com/cd-dvd-faq.html 20:22:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B317E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:23:30 <SmatZ> I guess it has something to do with re-encoding already encoded data 20:23:51 <SmatZ> like, ECC on "byte" levevel and ECC on "sector" level 20:24:03 <SmatZ> so C1 is when it can be corrected on the byte level 20:24:11 <SmatZ> and C2 when it's corrected on the sector level 20:24:13 <SmatZ> right? 20:24:21 <SmatZ> or absolutely wrong? 20:25:39 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 20:26:21 <z-MaTRiX> Cross Interleave Reed-Solomon Code is a method of error detection and correction employing Reed-Solomon parity bytes together with different interleaving, or delay, patterns that assists in error correction by distributing concentrated read errors over multiple frames that then form the input to a CIRC decoder. After the first deinterleave, CD discs correct small read errors at the C1 level, followed by a second deinterleave and correction of larg 20:26:21 <z-MaTRiX> e read errors at the C2 level. 20:26:43 <z-MaTRiX> brb 20:27:28 <SmatZ> bah 20:29:06 <z-MaTRiX> [222728] SmatZ bah 20:29:07 <z-MaTRiX> <; 20:29:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:29:49 <SmatZ> ;) 20:30:16 <SmatZ> I was wondering you are so alive and full of ideas that late in the night :) 20:30:37 <z-MaTRiX> btw time.nist.gov has accurate ntp 20:31:08 <Gold24> so does XX.pool.ntp.org 20:31:09 <Gold24> :P 20:31:15 <SmatZ> 29 Aug 22:31:06 ntpdate[29266]: step time server 192.43.244.18 offset -2.028262 sec 20:31:26 <Xaroth> pool.ntp.org will give a random anyhow :P 20:31:28 <Gold24> where XX is country code 20:31:47 <Gold24> yes it will 20:32:24 <Xaroth> and country code is irrelevant, if i connect to our datacenter 40km from here the connection will actually cross 7 borders. 20:32:31 <SmatZ> I have local ntpserver running though 20:32:50 <SmatZ> 29 Aug 22:32:20 ntpdate[29283]: adjust time server 192.168.0.5 offset -0.000625 sec 20:32:52 <SmatZ> ;) 20:44:51 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@177.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:46:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@53.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:02 <planetmaker> why would I make a function static inline? 20:48:35 <SmatZ> so it is inlined 20:48:43 <SmatZ> faster code execution 20:51:10 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: please no. 20:51:49 <MyCatVerbs> If you make static functions then the compiler will pick whether or not to inline them for you. Modern compilers will usually do a better job of making this decision than you owuld've. 20:52:11 <SmatZ> no 20:52:13 <MyCatVerbs> *would've. 20:52:28 <MyCatVerbs> Yes. I can demonstrate gcc doing it if you like. 20:52:30 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 20:52:36 <SmatZ> gcc isn't modern then 20:52:59 <MyCatVerbs> That's an interesting position to take. 20:53:25 * planetmaker wonders whether GetMacOSVersion is time critical, though 20:53:39 <planetmaker> rather GetMacOSVersionAtLeast 20:53:57 <planetmaker> doesn't matter I guess 20:54:11 <SmatZ> gcc doesn't take into account constant parameters 20:54:42 <SmatZ> it just guesses how many ops given function will generate 20:54:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17310 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Codechange: about window uses nested widget tree 20:55:02 <SmatZ> in OTTD, there are quite often functions called with constant parameters 20:55:16 <SmatZ> or parameters/variables that would become constant after inlining 20:55:22 <SmatZ> gcc doesn't take that into account 20:55:32 <SmatZ> also, gcc stops inling after some point 20:55:49 <SmatZ> (some --param-*-growth or so) 20:55:50 <MyCatVerbs> Yeah, all compilers have to. Otherwise they go into infinite loops. 20:56:05 <SmatZ> so it doesn't compile even the smallest possible function 20:56:09 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: How come the constant-folding doesn't catch that? 20:56:14 <SmatZ> I don't know 20:56:18 <SmatZ> I am not gcc dev 20:56:34 <MyCatVerbs> These are functions with no side effects, right? 20:56:51 <SmatZ> some are, some not 20:57:25 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:14 <MyCatVerbs> Annotate all the side-effect-less ones with __attribute__((pure)) or (where the stronger condition holds) __attribute__((const)) and it should in theory get better 20:59:23 <SmatZ> I think this isn't the most common issue 20:59:58 <SmatZ> in OTTD code 21:00:51 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: hrmn. Oh well. I've never had to force gcc to inline short functions, but then I've not written anything nearly as large as OTTD in C. 21:01:54 <SmatZ> MyCatVerbs: one type of problems: there is a switch in "inline" functions that depends on value in map array 21:02:10 <SmatZ> when those functions are inlined, only one access to map array is needed 21:02:26 <SmatZ> when they are not, more accesses and more conditional jumps are needed 21:02:37 <SmatZ> this happens quite often 21:03:15 <SmatZ> other common problem is the above mentioned, gcc stops inlining even very small fuctnions after some point 21:03:32 <SmatZ> causing code grows and slwer execution 21:04:57 <SmatZ> other problem is non-inlining functions like 21:05:36 <SmatZ> CheckSubsidyDuplicate 21:05:40 <SmatZ> which has many parameters 21:05:49 <SmatZ> that have to be passed via stack 21:05:56 <SmatZ> when not inlined 21:07:16 <MyCatVerbs> *nodnod* 21:07:35 <MyCatVerbs> Wait, how'd TTD end up with functions of more than six-ish parameters? 21:08:29 <SmatZ> x86 linux ABI specifies 6 registers for passing parameters? 21:10:43 <SmatZ> well, if you are talking about x86_64... 21:11:51 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 21:13:04 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: IIRC fastcall gets you at least four in registers? 21:13:33 <SmatZ> maybe... sounds windows-ish though :) 21:13:56 <SmatZ> gcc supports __attribute__((regparam=n)) or so too 21:13:59 <SmatZ> but... 21:14:00 <Vikthor> Hi 21:14:08 <Yexo> hello Vikthor 21:14:12 <SmatZ> adding attributes isn't the way to go (code niceness and such) 21:14:14 <SmatZ> hello Vikthor 21:14:55 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: dunno, I'm pretty fond of __attribute__((const)) and unused. 21:15:26 <Yexo> MyCatVerbs: the compiler should be able to figure that out on it's own 21:15:27 <Vikthor> SmatZ: Regarding the r17309, I think paskys second name is Baudi? 21:16:01 <SmatZ> Vikthor: :) I noticed that too late :( 21:16:17 <MyCatVerbs> Yexo: depends how involved the function is. The halting problem is still a real cow. :) 21:16:52 <planetmaker> hi Vikthor 21:17:00 <SmatZ> MyCatVerbs: OTTD uses just __attribute__((noreturn)) and __attribute__((format())) for functions... 21:17:14 <SmatZ> I prefer too add "inline" instead ;) 21:17:32 <SmatZ> FORCEINLINE should be transformed to "inline __attribute__((always_inline))" in future 21:18:03 <SmatZ> someone (tm) has to check its usage before that though 21:19:27 <SmatZ> thing I am thinking about is un-virtualizing functions 21:19:36 <SmatZ> I wonder why C++ doesn't specify that :-x 21:20:48 * MyCatVerbs hands SmatZ a (TM) symbol. 21:21:00 <MyCatVerbs> Specify what? 21:21:11 <SmatZ> way to un-virtualize functions 21:21:20 <MyCatVerbs> You're going to make a whole pile of currently polymorphically overloaded functions statically resolved instead? 21:21:33 <SmatZ> yes 21:21:42 <MyCatVerbs> Because Bjarne was smoking something heavy when he designed the language. 21:22:02 <SmatZ> doing t->Train::IsPrimaryVehicle() is ugly 21:22:04 <MyCatVerbs> Fifteen grams of crack cocaine, wrapped around a lead brick. 21:22:20 <SmatZ> when un-virtualizing IsPrimaryVehicle() in Train would do the same job 21:22:23 <SmatZ> hehe 21:23:18 <MyCatVerbs> Er, why's it virtual in the first place? 21:23:32 <SmatZ> umm 21:23:47 <SmatZ> so Vehicle *v; v->IsPrimaryVehicle() can be used? 21:23:54 <MyCatVerbs> You get the right behavoir either way, right? I presume that Train subclasses must never override IsPrimaryVehicle()? 21:24:08 <Yexo> MyCatVerbs: there are no train subclasses 21:24:08 <MyCatVerbs> Oh, I see. 21:24:24 <MyCatVerbs> You're leaving it virtual in the root but not in the leaves. 21:24:42 <SmatZ> I really do hope the LTO branch will solve all these problems 21:24:57 <planetmaker> new version of the version detection out 21:25:00 <SmatZ> yeah, but its virtuality is inherited 21:25:23 <Rubidium> ghehe... let them first compile OpenTTD without crashing and then wonder about the result of the compilation :) 21:25:45 <SmatZ> hehe 21:25:51 <planetmaker> uhm? 21:26:07 <SmatZ> planetmaker: gcc-lto :) 21:26:19 * planetmaker has no knowledge of it. 21:26:41 <planetmaker> ah 21:26:44 <MyCatVerbs> Link Time Optimization. 21:26:47 <MyCatVerbs> Neat. 21:27:04 <planetmaker> sounds... neat and dodgy at the same time 21:27:09 <MyCatVerbs> Have you ever tried concatenating OpenTTD's entire sources? :D 21:27:19 <SmatZ> yes 21:27:22 <planetmaker> no need, is there? 21:27:27 <SmatZ> it was pain 21:27:32 <planetmaker> :-O 21:27:34 <SmatZ> and failed, of course :) 21:27:39 <planetmaker> why do you do that, SmatZ? 21:27:40 <MyCatVerbs> Then compile with -fwhole-program. :) 21:27:55 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:02 <MyCatVerbs> planetmaker: Because otherwise you only get optimization up to the boundaries of .o files, so to speak. 21:28:14 <SmatZ> MyCatVerbs: somehow it failed 21:28:19 <MyCatVerbs> Any optimization that would require analysis of more than one module simultaneously can't be done. 21:28:38 <planetmaker> hm, yes 21:28:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:28:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:28:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17311 /trunk/src/ (55 files in 3 dirs): -Change: rename STR_WHITE_STRINGN to STR_WHITE_STRING 21:29:02 <MyCatVerbs> Like inlining functions defined in module A which are used in module B. AFAIK that's the most common issue? 21:29:26 <planetmaker> writing this version-fix patch, btw, was good :-) 21:29:30 <SmatZ> I don't remember why, I tried it quite long time ago 21:29:46 <planetmaker> I learnt something about passing parameters by reference vs. by value ;-) 21:30:02 <MyCatVerbs> SmatZ: Pity, but not surprising. Most projects with interesting build systems can't easily be just catted together. :/ 21:30:03 <SmatZ> :) 21:32:06 <glx> MyCatVerbs: just use MSVC, it does LTO :) 21:32:22 * MyCatVerbs grimaces. 21:32:29 <MyCatVerbs> glx: but that's good to know. ^^ 21:33:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:28 <planetmaker> that's interesting to know :-) 21:34:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17312 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the road toolbars and depot picker nested 21:44:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@177.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:45:55 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:40 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:01 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:47:23 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 22:12:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has left #openttd [] 22:13:15 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> # da simmer dabei 22:18:11 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@177.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> # das ist priiiima 22:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> # viva volognia 22:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> s/vo/co/ 22:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> why must it be that whenever you come from a place where people are, you smell like you smoked? 22:23:27 <Aankhen``> Erm, because you did? 22:23:56 *** Combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:19 <SmatZ> hehe 22:24:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i would be a militant non-smoker, if i wasn't so lazy 22:24:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17313 /trunk/src/road_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the road station picker nested 22:25:05 <Aankhen``> Eddi|zuHause: So you just laze around on a hammock and smoke all day instead? :-P 22:25:31 <SmatZ> I used to be tolerant to smell of cigarets in pubs... but recently, I am having feelings of vomit when I smell that :-x 22:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause> someone should forbid smoking in all public places 22:25:44 <SmatZ> still I am tolerant, I just don't go to pubs... 22:26:16 <Aankhen``> It's illegal where I live, but laws here are more like guidelines. 22:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> someone showed me a photo of a "smoking cabin" 22:26:30 <SmatZ> I am against laws of this kind 22:26:49 <SmatZ> the owner of pub should decide if, or when, people can smoke 22:27:19 <Aankhen``> Why? They don't exist in a vacuum. 22:27:35 <Aankhen``> That would make sense if they had their own private atmosphere. 22:27:49 <Rubidium> SmatZ: so the owner of a pub should decide if, or when, people can spit eachother in the face? 22:28:17 * Rubidium is happy smoking is generally banned now 22:28:41 <SmatZ> Rubidium: spitting in face degrades people... when you go in box ring, you can expect being hit 22:28:53 <SmatZ> that's what you expect when you go to pub where smoking is allowed 22:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it is not banned in "open" places here, which sadly includes beer tents... 22:29:03 <Aankhen``> Uh, smoking *kills* people. I think that's a little more serious, don't you? 22:29:18 <SmatZ> when you don't want to be hit/smell smoke, you got o pub/restaurant where smoking is forbidden 22:29:28 <SmatZ> Aankhen``: we are born to die 22:29:41 <Aankhen``> Wonder why everyone makes such a fuss about murder then. 22:29:44 <SmatZ> life without any dangers and risks would be boring 22:30:06 <Rubidium> SmatZ: how often are you to actually choose which restaurant to go to? Most of the time I get invited, as such I have no way to choose restaurants 22:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: we had this siutation for decades... if there is no law against smoking, there are no pubs that forbid smoking 22:30:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no sane pub owner would do that, and push out a large part of his customer base 22:30:56 <SmatZ> many pubs have non-smoking and smoking areas 22:31:03 <Rubidium> on the other hand, the lots of smoking stuff made me not go to pubs/restaurants/whatever 22:31:10 <SmatZ> also, you can sit outside 22:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and if you know smokers, you are forced to go to a smoking area then 22:31:16 <SmatZ> no problem in summer 22:31:21 <Rubidium> SmatZ: sit outside where people are smoking :( 22:31:23 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: yeah :( 22:31:42 <Eddi|zuHause> instead if smoking is generally forbidden, you can sit with the smokers, and when they "feel the urge", they go outside 22:31:47 <SmatZ> Rubidium: you have to hope in good wind direction then :( 22:31:57 <Rubidium> it's annoying enough that the person 3/4 houses down the road occasionally smokes outside 22:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a 3/4 house? :p 22:32:38 <Rubidium> 3 to 4 22:32:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you have quadruple-houses? :p 22:32:55 <Aankhen``> It's where they forgot to put in one wall. 22:33:37 <SmatZ> well... I am occasional-smoker... I haven't smoked for almost a year though 22:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm going to shower... 22:33:41 <Rubidium> it only results in me coughing like hell, which in effect means that I better not open my windows in summer to cool the house 22:33:43 <SmatZ> I dislike the smell now :-p 22:34:33 <SmatZ> though I sometimes smoke a cigar 22:34:51 <glx> not good for the others :) 22:34:55 <SmatZ> and hookah 22:34:56 <SmatZ> hehe 22:35:02 <SmatZ> true :) 22:35:11 <SmatZ> we go outside because of that though 22:36:02 <glx> here we have to go outside too 22:36:23 <SmatZ> I can't imagine such laws in France 22:36:44 <glx> it's to protect employees 22:37:09 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F2FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the "protection" is of not much use, when you have to walk through a (now much higher concentrated) cloud of smoke when you walk through the door 22:57:13 <Yexo> Rubidium / DaleStan: I'm compiling nforenum and it looks like Makefile overwrites the CFLAGS from Makefile.local 22:57:36 <Yexo> shouldn't the "-include ${MAKEFILELOCAL}" be moved a few lines down? 23:01:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-147-161.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:39 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:03:34 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 23:04:56 <Nite_Owl> is it possible in terms of NFO coding for a tram to have one speed when its tracks are off road and another speed when its tracks are on road ? 23:05:21 <Yexo> Nite_Owl: I don't think that's currently possible 23:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that should rather be a feature of the road types 23:05:59 <Nite_Owl> I did not think so but it cannot hurt to ask 23:07:09 <Eddi|zuHause> like a town would generally build roads that have a speed limit of 50km/h 23:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and faster roads cannot be used to grow houses next to them 23:08:03 <Eddi|zuHause> naybe the town could "downgrade" existing roads 23:09:04 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 23:09:11 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:10:01 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: that would make me want to bulldoze every town off the map. 23:10:23 <MyCatVerbs> I mean sure you could implement that, but not unless you're going to implement anonymous tactical nukes too. 23:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure what your problem is. that is exactly how every town in the world works 23:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> if a town grows along an existing road, it limits that road to town speed limit 23:13:43 <MyCatVerbs> My problem is that my road networks would spontaneously become mind-bendingly slow and useless - at exactly the same time as the towns get large enough for it to be profitable to make use of them. 23:14:31 <MyCatVerbs> Fun over realism and all that jazz. 23:15:19 <MyCatVerbs> Oh and also it'd muck the game balance up quite violently - making road vehicles really embarrassingly unprofitable. It'd have to be balanced out some other way. 23:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the balance would be "you can't bulldoze half the town to build a train station" 23:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and there could be a way to have expressways through a town 23:17:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but the town won't grow along these 23:18:59 <MyCatVerbs> Meh, town councils are annoying. 23:19:21 <MyCatVerbs> I'm telling you, tactical nuclear warhead left anonymously in a suitcase somewhere. 23:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't understand you... you say "X must be balanced" and then you say "but that balance is annoying" 23:22:20 <Yexo> it'd muck the game balance up <- what balance? 23:22:27 <MyCatVerbs> Yexo: point. :/ 23:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> if you want a nuclear warhead, go play command and conquer... 23:23:08 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: I should be clearer. I mean town councils are annoying. Making them more annoying would probably warrant adding a tac-nuke option. 23:23:52 <Eddi|zuHause> and there exists such an option, it's called "magic bulldozer" 23:25:11 <MyCatVerbs> You're right, I should play Command & Conquer. :/ 23:28:21 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EE22A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:32:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B764FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7620B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:25 *** Nicholas [~Nicholas@124-170-47-160.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:35:19 <Nicholas> It seems that OpenTTD is broken in fullscreen only on Mac OSX Snow Leopard 23:36:48 <Nicholas> Works fine in windowed though 23:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> because macos is shit 23:38:05 *** Nicholas [~Nicholas@124-170-47-160.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 23:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i read that as a "yes, i agree." 23:38:49 <MyCatVerbs> That could be construed as a little bit hostile. 23:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm the least hostile person in this entire channel 23:40:15 <MyCatVerbs> ...I could start hugging everybody who comse in, and then that wouldn't be true any more. 23:40:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DCF61.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 23:40:24 <MyCatVerbs> s/comse/comes/ 23:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> if an unprovoked hug can not be considered an act of hostility by a person unfamiliar with the culture 23:42:11 <MyCatVerbs> You raise a good point. Hrmn. 23:42:31 <MyCatVerbs> How about we dose them with MDMA first so they'll get all cuddly and appreciate it? 23:43:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that is, but it sounds not very comforting 23:45:22 <MyCatVerbs> Disco biscuits. 23:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> is that how you meet your "girlfriends"? 23:47:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:41 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: you seem to assume some really alarming things about me. oO 23:51:24 <glx> we didn't had enough time to suggest the usual solutions 23:53:14 <glx> [01:35:30] <Nicholas> It seems that OpenTTD is broken in fullscreen only on Mac OSX Snow Leopard <-- though it's a new version so it's not surprising they break our stuff again ;) 23:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> MyCatVerbs: you mean that from your presence in this channel i derive that you are probably male, are into women, and have trouble approaching them? 23:54:43 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: that much was obvious. The alarming bit was where you semi-accused me of date-raping strangers. oO 23:55:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well _i_ was not the person coming up with the idea of party drugs... 23:55:21 <glx> I understood the same thing 23:55:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 23:56:34 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: what's wrong with giving out free drugs on IRC? 23:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> probably as much as free viruses or free spam 23:58:12 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd