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00:06:22 <Audigex> it's very easy to drop support 00:06:28 <Audigex> but it doesnt mean the devs actually want to 00:06:41 <Audigex> given the choice, I think they'd have it running on my microwave 00:06:50 <Audigex> but there are only so many hours a day 00:07:05 <Audigex> as we all know, programmers are lazy 00:07:21 <Audigex> i'm sure the devs would rather spend an hour working with the other builds than an hour toiling with mac 00:20:00 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEd4d8.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:10 <glx> we just need someone with a mac, some knowledge and some time :) 00:20:21 <glx> shouldn't be that hard ;) 00:41:12 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9816.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:14 <PeterT> hello 00:43:27 <PeterT> can I make a suggestion for the next dev that comes online? 00:44:28 <PeterT> for the console: could you add the feature to use multiple commands at once? 00:44:33 <PeterT> such as: 00:44:51 <PeterT> rcon <pw> "kick 123 && reset_company 4" 00:44:56 <PeterT> something like msys 00:45:33 <Sacro> glx: i have a mac, some knowledge and some time 00:45:55 <glx> Sacro: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782 :) 00:48:56 <Sacro> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1140 <- fuck knows if that can ever be done 00:53:38 <PeterT> this is a neat patch: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3185 00:55:39 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-150.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:55:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.27.111] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 01:10:43 <welshdragon> hmm 01:11:04 <welshdragon> anybody know a thing about distrubution cntres in openttd? 01:11:12 <welshdragon> *distribution 01:11:54 <welshdragon> i have trains that call there, but the seem to drop off/pick up the same amount of cargo - i.e. it stays on the same train 01:12:10 <welshdragon> i have them transferring and taking cargo 01:14:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that obviously won't work 01:15:21 <welshdragon> hmm, yes 01:15:44 <welshdragon> so, no sggestion? 01:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause> plenty 01:16:17 <welshdragon> shoot 01:16:24 <welshdragon> (not literally) 01:16:27 <Eddi|zuHause> 1) use transfer&leave empty 01:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 2) use either cargodest or cargodist 01:16:50 <welshdragon> hmm 01:17:07 <welshdragon> 2) is hard as i am playing Infrastructure Sharing patch 01:17:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that is your problem :p 01:17:30 <welshdragon> i'll do Transfer & Leave Empty :) 01:17:36 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: i know :D 01:21:59 <z-MaTRiX> s?l?l? 01:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> your a is broken 01:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it leaks 01:22:42 <z-MaTRiX> :) 01:23:07 <z-MaTRiX> no its only devil language 01:23:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so the devil speaks spanish? 01:24:14 <z-MaTRiX> yeah 01:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a dead beef cafe anyway? 01:26:46 <z-MaTRiX> good question 01:27:20 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7700:404:dead:beef:cafe] has quit [Quit: rehashing] 01:27:25 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 01:35:07 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B920.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:53 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:36:57 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 01:39:40 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:41:08 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:42:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B076.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:51 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 01:45:34 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 02:11:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.181.12] has joined #openttd 02:15:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:41:39 <Audigex> nn 02:41:39 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.195.48] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009082707]] 02:52:11 <DaleStan> planetmaker: Seen this? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=816834#p816834 03:05:36 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-150.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b8d1:abf1:9073:3913] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:00:26 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:23:12 <planetmaker> DaleStan: just read it. 04:23:14 <planetmaker> I didn't install the "keep dates within those bounds" workaround yet. 04:23:16 <planetmaker> to the repo 04:25:03 <planetmaker> DaleStan: I'll try to work out in more detail and locate what the problem is. But it might take a bit of time as I'm mostly away from any ttd-related things the next 4 weeks. 04:40:17 <DaleStan> planetmaker: I still have no clue. I even deleted all my data files, just in case something strange was living in there. But if my Holmesian deduction (Eliminate the impossible, and whatever remains, ...) is correct, @@LINT OFF should fix the problem. 04:40:58 <planetmaker> DaleStan: I switched to the new MacOS. Might be related. I'll give it a shot on my old system 04:41:24 <DaleStan> Not that I think that's anything resembling "Good Idea", but it'll get the code into a state where GRFCodec will accept it. 04:41:25 <planetmaker> the local makefile, though, has only an if for my mingw 04:41:58 <planetmaker> @@LINT OFF in the NFO file? 04:42:03 <planetmaker> I shall test. 04:43:55 <DaleStan> Yep. Or -l- (lowercase L) on the command line. 04:44:08 <planetmaker> seems to work. 04:44:54 <planetmaker> yes. without I get the error again. 04:48:24 <DaleStan> Well, I'm pretty sure I know where it's failing then. NFORenum converts every property flagged as a date into a date while checking action 0s. 04:49:06 <planetmaker> yes, I'd assume so. 04:49:19 <DaleStan> It's *supposed* to be guarded so out-of-range dates are shifted into range before being converted, but that apparently isn't working for you. 04:50:28 <planetmaker> I honestly need to check that with my 10.4 install. The boost version used there is the same, but the compiler a different one (and some other system intricacies surey, too) 04:50:54 <planetmaker> *surely 04:51:43 <planetmaker> as this system (partly) calls itself 64 bit as opposed to 32 bit in the 10.4 macos version 04:56:06 <planetmaker> brb. reboot for testing 05:16:22 <planetmaker> DaleStan: beats me. on macos 10.4 I don't get that error. Seems that the boost routine somehow fails on 10.6 05:16:37 <DaleStan> Same boost version? 05:16:42 <planetmaker> yes 05:16:53 <planetmaker> the one on my new HD is a verbatim copy of that dir 05:22:08 <DaleStan> http://paste.openttd.org/216855 should tell us which sprite is causing the crash. 05:24:50 <DaleStan> ... Actually, there needs to be an (...) after the catch. 05:25:51 <DaleStan> http://paste.openttd.org/216856 is the corrected patch. 05:33:59 <planetmaker> hm, the patch does not apply for me... 05:34:09 <planetmaker> Died reading sprite 189make: [sprites/2cctrainset.nfo] Error 1 (ignored) 05:34:29 <planetmaker> the context was slightly different... I added it there manually 05:35:24 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/216857 05:37:13 <Rubidium> why are there so many people telling incorrect stuff on the forum? 05:38:48 <planetmaker> best case: trying to be helpful, but honest mistake :-) 05:39:02 <planetmaker> worst case: getting a know-all profile without basis 05:39:25 <planetmaker> DaleStan: http://paste.openttd.org/216858 <-- the nfo which nforenum gets fed 05:46:34 <DaleStan> OK. Then try this: http://paste.openttd.org/216859 . With any luck, it'll work (no output) on 10.4, not (crash) on 10.6, and I can blame the boost library. 05:47:57 <DaleStan> ... OHSH... Nevermind. I know what's wrong. 05:52:32 <DaleStan> Or, I have a guess: Signedness fun. Please try http://paste.openttd.org/216860. 05:54:55 <planetmaker> yes, that fixes it. 05:54:59 <planetmaker> :-) 05:55:57 <planetmaker> I didn't test yet (again) on 10.4. But it was working there before. 05:57:11 <DaleStan> Well, now I know what's wrong. Now I just get to figure out the correct way to make it right. 05:57:41 <planetmaker> :-) 06:00:27 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 06:00:29 <DaleStan> Rubidium: What year does OpenTTD stop updating the date? 06:01:05 <planetmaker> 500000 or so 06:01:11 <planetmaker> no 5.000.000 06:02:34 <DaleStan> Ah. Good. Before 32 bit signed overflow of the day count. 06:03:42 <planetmaker> src/date_type.h:#define MAX_YEAR 5000000 06:10:30 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 06:13:48 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 06:15:15 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 06:15:53 *** stuffcor1se [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 06:17:06 *** deghosty [~s@69-196-168-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 06:20:05 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: De_Ghosty, @Belugas, Phoenix_the_II, TrueBrain, stuffcorpse 06:22:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:23:51 *** Netsplit over, joins: De_Ghosty 06:30:22 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-168-49.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 499 seconds] 06:42:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C183.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:48:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C183.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:55:45 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:20 <Rubidium> yes, it stops before the int32 overflow so one can (in theory at least) add BC dates 07:25:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-113-222.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 07:39:11 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.82] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:48:36 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:18 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 08:10:39 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 08:20:20 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B298B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 08:41:10 <dihedral> is it possible for me, on a linux system, to watch a file and if the file is deleted or created, run some code?? 08:41:18 <dihedral> i need to watch /dev/ttyUSB0 08:42:02 <Noldo> if [ -f /usr/local/bin/irssi ];then 08:42:12 <Noldo> works on bash and tests if the file exists 08:42:24 <Noldo> and is a file 08:42:35 <Noldo> there is propably one for devices too 08:42:36 <dihedral> WATCH 08:42:46 <dihedral> like a 'callback' 08:42:50 <dihedral> monitor that file 08:42:58 <dihedral> not just test a file once 08:43:01 <dihedral> but constantly 08:43:53 <Noldo> udev handles things happening when devices are connected and stuff 08:44:34 <Noldo> I think it does the device file creating too 08:44:34 <dihedral> ok, thank you 08:47:46 <Noldo> hmm there is also something called File Alteration Monitor, but udev is propably better for device related things 08:50:02 <SmatZ> fam, gamin 08:50:13 <SmatZ> also some kernel *notify 08:50:36 <SmatZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnotify 08:50:47 <SmatZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify 08:51:04 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 08:51:04 <SmatZ> but those are library functions 08:51:08 <SmatZ> hello z-MaTRiX 08:51:18 <z-MaTRiX> hi ;> 08:52:50 <SmatZ> hmm but as the name says, the file has to exist (it's bound to inode number) 08:58:53 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:04:31 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:04:49 <Terkhen> good morning 09:11:56 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:17:15 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051061175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:35 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:37 <dihedral> good morning Terkhen 09:47:57 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd4d8.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:02 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:53 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:08:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:11:53 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 10:14:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B298B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:18:15 <petern> SmatZ, you can watch a directory, i think 10:24:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.28.72] has joined #openttd 10:25:10 <SmatZ> petern: good idea 10:27:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:35 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=817719#p817719 <- lol? 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What's so special about that? 13:27:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:27 <Xaroth> Vikthor: r20000 ? 13:31:37 <dihedral> Vikthor, arn't you a clever little boy!! 13:31:45 <Xaroth> <3 dihedral 13:33:42 * Belugas sends out a calculator to Xaroth 13:33:49 <Belugas> way to go sir ;) 13:34:29 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B920.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:09 <dihedral> dont you just enjoy having nitpickers around?? 13:38:37 <dihedral> esp. when it's so obvious what some one is saying!! 13:39:40 <petern> r20034yeah 13:39:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 13:39:59 <petern> r20034 is r1000111000 in binary, it's clear now 13:40:06 <petern> wait 13:40:12 <petern> r20034 is r1000111000 in ... ternary?, it's clear now 13:41:06 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 13:41:25 <Belugas> lol 13:42:28 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:34 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 13:43:41 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 13:45:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:26 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:57:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db02cf7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 13:59:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:14:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0AA2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:12 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 14:17:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B078F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:17:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:22:37 *** muxy [~opsio_bd@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 14:23:40 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:24:44 <muxy> Hi yorick 14:28:57 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE1DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:29 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051061175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:36 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE1DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051061175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:38:23 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:39:16 <yorick> Hi muxy 14:41:49 *** Suber [~ge_stud@p3EE25C85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C183.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:49:33 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 14:56:38 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:24 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:12:37 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:12:59 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:15:08 *** Coco-Banana-Man is now known as ociporT|naM-ananaB-ocoC 15:16:05 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:36 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:23:06 * Belugas stomac is announcing lunch hour 40 minutes in advance 15:23:10 <Belugas> that is bad sign 15:27:32 *** th1ngwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:28:58 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 15:31:03 <muxy> i'm back 15:31:37 <yorick> welcome back 15:32:03 <muxy> thx. have you seen my comment on flyspray about master server ? 15:32:35 <yorick> yes 15:32:42 <yorick> good idea, you go make it 15:33:19 <muxy> why not... 15:35:02 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:14 *** th1ngwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B078F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B031E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:49:07 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:52:27 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:53:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17535 /trunk/src/ (crashlog.cpp saveload/saveload.cpp saveload/saveload.h): -Fix: compiling without networking failed; also unhackify the crash logger a bit. 15:57:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B031E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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19:35:53 <Doorslammer> Hah, story of the BRSet 19:37:08 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd4d8.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:12 <yorick> Prof_Frink started it! 19:37:25 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-27f8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:37:43 <Zuu> Yexo_: Are you there? 19:38:03 <Prof_Frink> No I didn't! 19:38:36 <Zuu> Guess not since he has an underscore in the end of his nickname. 19:39:13 <yorick> yes you did! 19:42:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:30 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 19:42:40 <Prof_Frink> yorick: Go on then, finish the quote 19:42:55 <yorick> ? 19:43:07 <yorick> ooh, it's 21:42 19:43:10 <yorick> 21*2 = 42 19:43:34 <Prof_Frink> "What? You started it! "No we didn't!" "Yes you did, you invaded Poland!" 19:44:10 <yorick> ok, Prof_Frink: you invaded Poland! 19:44:32 <Prof_Frink> \o/ 19:44:43 <Doorslammer> Go Frink! 19:44:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.177.131] has joined #openttd 19:44:46 <Rubidium> FT? 19:44:53 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-14-64-35.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:54 <Doorslammer> Or should I say, Comrade Frinkowski 19:45:47 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Aye. 19:52:46 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:52:51 <Yexo> good evening 19:53:12 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 19:53:42 <SmatZ> anyone here using gcc 4.5 trunk? 19:53:46 <Yexo> Zuu: I am now :) 19:53:51 <SmatZ> < two weeks old 19:53:58 <Zuu> Hi Yexo 19:54:22 <Zuu> I was just thinking about buging you about a project page for PAXLink. 19:54:43 <Yexo> sure, no problem 19:54:44 <Zuu> But I saw you need a few details, so I'll pm them to you. 19:55:20 <Yexo> only the identifier is important, is "ai-paxlink" ok? 19:55:25 <Yexo> you can change the rest later 19:55:27 <Zuu> yes that is good 19:55:38 <Zuu> My username is same as usual. 19:56:02 <Zuu> I guess the user database is not too big to scan through visually either. 19:56:19 <Yexo> http://noai.openttd.org/projects/show/ai-paxlink there you are :) 19:56:26 <Zuu> Thank you Yexo :) 19:56:42 <Yexo> http://noai.openttd.org/svn/ai-paxlink <- svn, but you'll have to wait +- 20 minutes before it's created 19:56:54 <Zuu> No I need to re-learn how to use svn/cvs again. :-p 19:56:55 <Yexo> no link to that can be found, so you might want to add that in the description field 19:57:09 <Zuu> Haven't used that for like 5-6 years or so. (as developer) 19:57:15 <frosch123> [21:55] <SmatZ> < two weeks old <- but you have been coding for ottd longer than 9 months 19:57:42 <Zuu> Yexo: ok 19:57:48 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-14-64-35.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:14 <SmatZ> hehe 19:59:51 *** stuffcor1se [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:53 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-66.prem.tmns.net.au] has left #openttd [] 20:00:07 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 20:10:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 20:15:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17538 /trunk/src/ (44 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Rename STR_CONTENT_FILTER_(OSKTITLE|TOOLTIP) for more general usage. 20:24:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17539 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Replace a magic number. 20:25:09 <Yexo> TrueBrain: Are the repositories sitll generated at :17? If so, why doesn't http://noai.openttd.org/svn/ai-paxlink work yet? 20:25:58 <TrueBrain> Unable to connect to http://10.42.42.7/sys/service.wsdl : unknown element: {}html 20:26:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:26:53 <TrueBrain> solved 20:27:09 <Zuu> Thanks TrueBrain 20:27:16 <TrueBrain> my pleasure 20:27:21 <Zuu> :-) 20:28:24 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:28:31 <Zuu> By the way (tell me if I should head to the docs instead of asking you) is it an import or an export I want to do? Or just a commit? 20:29:08 <Yexo> just a commit 20:29:16 <Yexo> or multiple commits if you want to include old versions 20:29:24 <Zuu> Okay 20:29:54 <Zuu> Tortise seams to not allow me to do that, but I gues if I just checkout r0 I can then commit. 20:30:15 <Yexo> yes, you need a working directory first 20:30:36 <Zuu> Commiting old versions might actually be a good idea. 20:30:51 *** Dreamxtreme was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [THIS IS Epic fail!] 20:31:17 <welshdragon> lol? 20:31:18 <Zuu> I should have all the v1-13 tars laying around and they are also on tt-forums. 20:31:30 <welshdragon> why kick dreamextreme Belugas? 20:31:39 <welshdragon> i see no recent comment by him 20:31:49 <Belugas> 'cause i can't kick him in #tycoon 20:31:50 <Prof_Frink> I do. 20:32:15 <Belugas> [16:29] <Redirect_Left> Whats OpenTTD default port? 20:32:16 <Belugas> [16:30] <Belugas> OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 20:32:16 <Belugas> [16:30] <Dreamxtreme> ottd not using UPNP is epic fail 20:32:22 <Belugas> stupid user who knows it all 20:32:37 <welshdragon> Belugas: he' 20:33:17 *** Redirect_Left [~rdl@5ad420fc.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:23 <welshdragon> was only moaning as he can't start a server 20:33:25 <welshdragon> lol 20:33:27 <welshdragon> a Redirect_Left 20:33:39 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:33:39 <Redirect_Left> Quite. 20:34:14 <welshdragon> #TCOON INVADES #OPENTTD :O 20:34:20 <Redirect_Left> fail spelling. 20:34:29 <Redirect_Left> #tycoon is more win though. 20:34:39 <welshdragon> *#TYCOON 20:35:18 <Dreamxtreme> lol 20:35:42 <SmatZ> raid? 20:36:15 <jonty-comp> that's why #openttd has more people in 20:36:16 * Zuu is happily unaware of what is going on in #tycoon 20:36:28 <jonty-comp> Zuu: that's definitely a good thing 20:37:31 <SmatZ> welcome here, gentlemen 20:38:00 <Prof_Frink> #tywhatnow? 20:38:10 * Dreamxtreme goes to the very lowest level of IRC 20:40:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r17540 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move functionality of PlaceProc_Town() to FoundTownWindow::OnPlaceObject() 20:41:39 <Dreamxtreme> oooooo Win 20:41:41 <Dreamxtreme> ! 20:42:18 * Dreamxtreme looks at the source code of the nightly 20:44:42 <Dreamxtreme> hmm Belugas ? 20:45:09 <Belugas> what? 20:45:12 <andythenorth> if #tycoon style of discussion is coming in here, I'm off 20:45:16 <andythenorth> but that may be no bad thing 20:45:30 <Dreamxtreme> how can i support ottd ? 20:45:59 <Belugas> dunno. it all depends on your capacities 20:46:20 <Belugas> since i don't have a clue abouty those, i cannot tell 20:47:27 <Prof_Frink> If only there was an alternative to #tycoon... 20:47:42 <Dreamxtreme> what are you looking for 20:47:48 <andythenorth> nfo nfo nfo nfo 20:47:50 <Dreamxtreme> i can do most things lol 20:47:54 <andythenorth> can you do nfo? 20:47:58 <andythenorth> most people can't 20:48:03 <Dreamxtreme> nfo ? 20:48:03 <jonty-comp> I can't! 20:48:03 <andythenorth> join an elite band! 20:48:10 <jonty-comp> I tried, but I have no hope in hell 20:48:14 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 20:48:33 <jonty-comp> also, someone should port the NFO spec to the openttd wiki 20:48:41 <jonty-comp> the ttdpatch tikiwiki thing annoys me for some reason 20:48:47 <jonty-comp> perhaps because, well, it isn't mediawiki 20:49:30 <andythenorth> I have a standing bet with two people that they can't write an nfo compiler that is (a) sane (b) finished (c) implements everything nfo can do 20:49:41 <andythenorth> do I mean compiler? 20:49:42 <Dreamxtreme> as in http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=SampleNfoFile 20:49:44 <Dreamxtreme> ? 20:50:11 <andythenorth> all these computer words, they baffle me 20:50:15 <andythenorth> strange computer world 20:50:18 <Yexo> andythenorth: "nfo compiler"? so something like grfcodec? 20:50:40 <jonty-comp> I thought grfcodec fulfils all those requirements :p 20:50:45 <andythenorth> yes, except leaving the nfo part out completely... 20:50:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:54 <andythenorth> i.e. write in language that is not batshit crazy 20:51:03 <jonty-comp> if I could write C++ 20:51:11 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:51:12 <jonty-comp> I would make it so you made GRFs using MXL 20:51:13 <jonty-comp> *XML 20:51:26 <jonty-comp> it would be so much easier, but rather difficult to plan out :o 20:51:30 <Yexo> oh, it's a bet they can't write a random-high-level-language to nfo compiler 20:52:36 <Yexo> jonty-comp: how exactly would writing it in XML make it easier? To be able to do everything that nfo already can, it'd easily become such a mess that it'd be worse than nfo 20:52:49 <andythenorth> XML is a dead route, they're thinking something like python -> valid newgrf 20:52:51 <jonty-comp> at least it would make a slight amount of sense 20:52:51 <Yexo> ^^ note that I don't think nfo is bad, it just has a steep learning curve 20:52:57 <andythenorth> or haskell -> valid newgrf 20:53:03 <andythenorth> or brainfuck -> valid newgrf 20:53:06 <andythenorth> http://corky.net/dotan/log/2006/06/stupid-programming-languages.html 20:53:16 <jonty-comp> nfo is like the assembly language of game modding 20:53:24 <jonty-comp> everyone else uses Lua nowadays :( 20:53:42 <Dreamxtreme> ok i think i got this 20:53:52 <asilv> nfo was surprisingly easy to learn for me, I expected something much more difficult from other people's descriptions 20:54:12 * Dreamxtreme has a bloody good read on http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GeneralNfoStrategy 20:54:39 <Terkhen> I'm still trying to understand callbacks :P 20:55:03 <asilv> mostly grf coding is just time consuming not difficult once you learn the basics 20:55:45 <Yexo> asilv: agreed :) 20:55:52 <jonty-comp> I gave up, I just get annoyed at it and then I can't write it anyway 20:56:01 <jonty-comp> not that I ever particularly made the effort 20:56:06 <Terkhen> that's true 20:56:07 <jonty-comp> there are enough coders around 20:57:10 <Terkhen> after some time coding the numbers start making sense 20:57:16 <Belugas> but not enough GOOD coders 20:57:47 <Belugas> and i'm all but a waste right now... so i'll run home and sleep until tomorrow 20:57:49 <Belugas> bye 20:57:55 <Belugas> don't miss me 20:57:58 <andythenorth> bye! 20:57:59 <Yexo> good night Belugas \ 20:58:05 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 20:58:26 <Terkhen> good night Belugas 20:58:49 <andythenorth> If anyone can implement brainfuck -> valid newgrf (that's worth playing with, not just a one-trick programming pony), I'll give prizes 20:59:15 <andythenorth> http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ 20:59:58 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17541 /trunk/src/ (core/smallvec_type.hpp lang/english.txt newgrf_gui.cpp): -Feature: Filtering in Add-NewGRF dialog. 21:00:02 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:09 <jonty-comp> andythenorth: lolcode -> valid newgrf! 21:00:19 <jonty-comp> Belugas: well OK, there are already enough bad coders 21:00:22 <jonty-comp> and I would be a bad coder 21:00:35 <jonty-comp> well, I am already a bad coder in HTML and PHP and VBA and C# 21:01:19 <_ln> of which HTML is not a programming language 21:01:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i'm sure one could extend my NDL compiler with a brainfuck parser 21:01:27 <Xaroth> neither is PHP 21:01:31 <Xaroth> nor VBA 21:01:31 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:59 <_ln> Xaroth: do not try to confuse us. 21:02:03 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: but can anyone write valid brainfuck to do something useful? 21:02:09 <Nite_Owl> Oooo frosch: Filtering to what extent 21:02:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:02:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that i don't know ;) 21:02:18 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-14-64-35.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:02:28 <Xaroth> _ln: they are interpreted languages, not compiled programming languages 21:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it's pretty trivial to encode hexadecimal, decimal or binary numbers in brainfuck 21:03:26 <Nite_Owl> Oooo frosch123: Filtering to what extent <name corrected for IRC> 21:03:39 <andythenorth> well if you think that's too easy... 21:03:40 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge 21:04:06 <andythenorth> (not turing complete) 21:04:07 <frosch123> Nite_Owl: good from bad of course 21:04:19 <_ln> Xaroth: that's not a definition of programming language. 21:04:21 <jonty-comp> _ln/Xaroth: I never said they were programming languages, but I certainly write code in them :P 21:05:27 <Nite_Owl> I will check it out once the compiling is done tomorrow 21:05:45 <andythenorth> bedtime 21:05:46 <frosch123> slow compiler? 21:05:49 <andythenorth> good night 21:05:51 <jonty-comp> also 21:05:55 <jonty-comp> VBA is compiled! 21:06:00 <Redirect_Left> Success! 21:06:21 * Dreamxtreme creates some new NFO's 21:06:30 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:35 <dihedral> jonty-comp, .... sure - as is PHP* (*at run time) 21:06:57 <Nite_Owl> No, no - the daily public compiling 21:07:08 <dihedral> daily pubic compiling? 21:07:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:31 <Nite_Owl> trunk release ?? 21:07:52 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:03 <Nite_Owl> Whatever such language you prefer 21:08:19 <Dreamxtreme> php is nice 21:08:27 <Nite_Owl> I am being too obtuse 21:08:45 <dihedral> Dreamxtreme, what?? 21:08:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.89.142] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:09:11 <Nite_Owl> or obvious in not knowing the proper terminology 21:09:22 <Dreamxtreme> its easy to pick up and learn 21:09:38 <dihedral> that is something different 21:09:49 <Dreamxtreme> what lang ? 21:10:26 <_ln> Dreamxtreme: it's easy to pick up and learn wrong 21:10:35 <Dreamxtreme> so true 21:11:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe6e7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:32 <dihedral> perl can be easy to learn 21:11:57 <Dreamxtreme> firebug is the best tool for php 21:12:53 <Xaroth> s/php/html 21:13:09 <Dreamxtreme> yea 21:15:47 <dihedral> vim! 21:17:03 <Terkhen> anyone knows why UpdateNearestTownForRoadTiles needs _generating_world to be true when invalidating cached data? 21:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> is _generating_world true in the scenario editor? 21:18:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: most likely an optimisation because towns can't change during a game 21:19:24 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@252.150.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like an expensive operation anyway 21:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> in a simple approach, for each tile it is O(n^2) to find the nearest town, and there might be O(n^2) tiles to check, so worst case is O(n^4) 21:21:13 *** Audigex is now known as Audi[away] 21:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> where n is the length of the edge of the map 21:22:02 <_ln> isn't there a separate notation for the worst-case and average-case and so on 21:22:12 <Terkhen> mmm... I see 21:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i know worst case is O and best case Omega, then there is Theta for when both classes are the same 21:23:25 <Terkhen> it seems like I won't be able to just remove the limitation 21:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (which is different from "average") 21:24:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: it's the simple approach, an optimisation could be O(m*n^2) where m is the number of towns 21:24:07 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: for each tiles it's O(M), where M = total number of towns 21:24:12 <Yexo> hehe :) 21:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's very likely that m << n^2 ;) 21:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but the original O(n^2) figure can be reduced when one assumes a fairly even distribution of towns, then it's O(k^2) where k is the largest distance between neighbouring towns 21:26:24 <Terkhen> mmm... I remember doing some optimization in a case similar to this one, but I don't remember what exactly 21:26:48 <SmatZ> [23:17:00] <Terkhen> anyone knows why UpdateNearestTownForRoadTiles needs _generating_world to be true when invalidating cached data? <== so cache isn't updated after each built road tile 21:27:14 <Terkhen> it seems like I found another prerrequisite for the found a town patch :P 21:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> there are more cases like this, like nearest town from station (for station names), or industries around a station (for catchment area cargos) 21:27:35 <SmatZ> really? 21:28:44 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: station name isn't generated from "nearest" town, but from "nearest" woth when station is built 21:28:45 <Terkhen> mmm... 21:28:56 <SmatZ> it doesn't change when town is founded / station is moved 21:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: yes, but it's the same problem of finding the town in the first place 21:29:34 <Terkhen> okay, I'll give the road building code a look :) 21:30:30 <SmatZ> [23:26:45] <SmatZ> [23:17:00] <Terkhen> anyone knows why UpdateNearestTownForRoadTiles needs _generating_world to be true when invalidating cached data? <== so cache isn't updated after each built road tile 21:30:33 <SmatZ> err forget it :-p 21:30:59 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:00 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2542 21:31:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:31:07 <SmatZ> not sure it's correct, better verify my statement ;) 21:31:19 <SmatZ> it's usefule when "generating many random towns" 21:31:42 <SmatZ> but it's not set when building "long road" 21:31:52 <_ln> if there's a traveling salesman who wants to visit all the cities on a map using the shortest route, is that a problem? 21:32:13 <SmatZ> _generating_world is there used so town generates more houses or so... 21:32:22 <SmatZ> some parts of town building code depend on that 21:32:36 <SmatZ> it doesn't have much to do with the cache 21:32:39 <SmatZ> in this case 21:33:15 <Yexo> _ln: of course not, just block all routes except one 21:33:16 <SmatZ> _ln: my behaviour is nondeterministic 21:33:46 <_ln> is there a newgrf with a salesman? 21:34:12 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87-196-136-69.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 21:34:20 <Terkhen> SmatZ: my current hack is to turn _generating_world to true, execute UpdateNearestTownForRoadTiles, set it to false again and then execute DoCreateTown... the town is created as before, but the houses aren't fully built from the start 21:34:27 <Terkhen> I haven't seen any other differences 21:34:30 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 21:34:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:50 <Zuu> Hmm, the company takeover seams to give vehicles (and possible other things too) to the wrong company. I just played as AI company number 3 in my game (using cheats) and when I answered yes to take over TownCars then Rodje got the buses instead of Chopper :-) 21:35:08 <Zuu> And for some reason a new TownCars did not start either. 21:35:12 *** Guest2542 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:31 <Yexo> Zuu: you got a savegame from just before you got that question? 21:36:07 <Zuu> Yexo: No, but I had a similar issue before when I played as AI 1 (paxlink) and the player got all the vehicles. 21:36:19 <Zuu> So Im sure I can make a savegame for you. 21:36:38 <Yexo> not needed if you have to create one 21:37:42 <SmatZ> [23:34:17] <Terkhen> SmatZ: my current hack is to turn _generating_world to true, execute UpdateNearestTownForRoadTiles, set it to false again and then execute DoCreateTown... the town is created as before, but the houses aren't fully built from the start <== interesting idea 21:38:17 <Terkhen> it looks nice, but I still have to check that it doesn't introduce any problems 21:39:18 <Terkhen> I found it by accident anyways 21:39:32 <SmatZ> hack is hack :) 21:39:59 <SmatZ> maybe using some "bool _leave_houses_unfinished" would be better ;) 21:40:18 <SmatZ> anyway, I am now merging and a bit changing your patch ;) 21:40:25 <SmatZ> there are some strange things, like 21:40:34 <SmatZ> this->RandomTownName(); 21:40:38 <SmatZ> static void RandomTownName() 21:41:01 <Terkhen> :) 21:41:04 <SmatZ> also, storing grf_id and such as static variables of FoundTownWindow 21:41:11 <Terkhen> mmm... yes, I had to change it to static 21:41:12 <SmatZ> I will do some changes in that :) 21:41:42 <Terkhen> I probably made a mess with static variables as I always do 21:41:58 <SmatZ> nah, it was ok 21:41:59 <Terkhen> okay, thanks :) 21:42:03 <SmatZ> as more variables were static 21:42:19 <Rubidium> IIRC not all houses are finished; just build a town in the sceneditor and see it grow in inhabitants for a while without getting extra houses (it's like 5-10% though) 21:42:20 <SmatZ> guess it comes from before-oop-in-GUI times ;) 21:42:34 <Terkhen> let me check why I had to change them to static 21:45:04 <Zuu> Hmm, can't reproduce it in my new game and didn't save the old one.. 21:45:23 <Zuu> Though I have not tried to do things in the order as I did them in order to simplify it a bit. 21:45:34 <Terkhen> SmatZ: I think I had to convert them to static because I had to call RandomTownName in a static function, but I don't remember which one 21:45:49 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:46:16 <Zuu> But I'll try re-do what i did first time. 21:47:23 <Terkhen> Rubidium: okay, I'm going to check that... I am currently trying to implement a check that gives an error when trying to found a town when towns can't build roads and there is no roads around (to prevent towns with 0 population) 21:51:52 <Zuu> Still I failed to reproduce it. So I'll stop for now, but if it happens again I'll try to record it. 21:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... has the limitation that the center tile must be a road been lifted? 21:52:21 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.50] has joined #openttd 21:52:24 <Yexo> Zuu: lots of related code looks sane, so no obvious problems there 21:52:49 <Zuu> Okay 21:53:54 <Zuu> In both cases when it happened it was the company above in the UI-list (drop down lists of mani menu) of companies that got the buses. 21:58:49 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 22:01:36 * Zuu dreams of a script that goes trough .nut files and collect all function signatures from the implementation part of a class so that he can make sure all functions are declared as static 22:02:51 <Zuu> Unless it falls down from heven I should probably dust of my limited ruby skills and make that script. 22:03:01 <Yexo> maybe the nail code can be of help 22:03:11 <Yexo> if I recall correctly the parsing part was mostly done 22:04:05 <Zuu> Okay. It only need to read the function abc::def(var, var2) line and then output a list of all functions. 22:05:15 <Zuu> A better script would compare it against the available static declarations and either insert new static functions or inform me which are missing. But that extra part has not as high value as the first part. 22:07:46 <Zuu> My Builder class has a subset of its functions that are static and are used as static functions and then some users of the class create an instance and use that. This creates nasty bugs when a static function calls a non-static function which only shows if the static function was called from outside as a static function but not when it is called using an instance of the class. :-) 22:08:22 *** Audi[away] is now known as Audigex 22:08:51 <Zuu> The error that OpenTTD spills out is "index not found functionXYZ" where functionXYZ is a non-static function called from a static function. 22:09:28 <Zuu> I've fixed a few, but I need to make a propper fix or more bugs will be found/created. :-) 22:09:44 <Rubidium> Audigex, now you're back: announcing you away-ness (or lack thereof) by changing your nick or automated messages is unwanted in this channel 22:10:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r17542 /trunk/src/ (company_cmd.cpp economy.cpp): 22:10:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix: don't access variables in the company struct after it has been deleted 22:10:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: remove some never-used code 22:10:07 <Audigex> my bad :( 22:10:58 <Audigex> i've always just assumed it to be common irc practice 22:11:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B36DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:04 <Zuu> Using /away might be allowed (I don't know) since most clients filter that out anyways. 22:11:26 <Zuu> At least most clients I use, but then I only use x-chat :-p 22:11:46 <Yexo> X-chat doesn't ignore them, the username is drawn in grey instead of in black 22:12:43 <Zuu> Yea, but it doesn't show it in the chat log as some clients does. 22:12:49 <Yexo> Zuu: does a simple grep do what you want? Like "grep 'function' *.nut"? 22:13:39 <MyCatVerbs> Zuu: /away is very much allowed and recommended. 22:13:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B314F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:13:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:14:10 <MyCatVerbs> Away status doesn't get spammed at anyone; instead, one picks up on it when PRIVMSGing or WHOISing. Much better. ^_^ 22:14:24 <Zuu> Yexo: Yea should do or beter "grep 'function ClassName::' class_name.nut 22:14:51 <Zuu> Just need to install Cygwin but that shouldn't harm to much to have it installed hehe 22:15:45 <Zuu> The question when you make a new windows install / buy a new computer is not if but when you end up installing Cygwin. 22:15:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 22:17:32 <Rubidium> but... but... I've only installed cygwin once :) 22:19:09 <Rubidium> (and Windows more than once) 22:19:39 <Dreamxtreme> anyone got Win 3.1 or old windows i want to load and play on vmware 22:20:30 <Dreamxtreme> oops wrong place lol 22:21:11 *** Redirect_Left [~rdl@5ad420fc.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 22:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i installed win 3.11 in DosBox once 22:21:51 <Eddi|zuHause> needed a little tweaking for 256 colours and sound 22:22:14 <FauxFaux> I have copies of the disks. ?_? 22:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i have an original (OEM) CD with win 3.11 22:22:51 <Rubidium> it came on CD? 22:23:05 * Rubidium remebers the 20 or so floppies for Windows 95 22:23:17 <Rubidium> and then the extra 8 or so for Internet Explorer 22:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ooooh, yes. i had win 95 beta on disks 22:23:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and it was sooooo unstable 22:24:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i must have some win 3.1 disks somewhere (those were 7) 22:24:46 <Rubidium> back in the good old days that you could boot and start Windows (3.11) from a single floppy :) 22:25:19 <Nite_Owl> I still have a Windows 95 CD - never saw it on disks 22:25:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i once got so annoyed by the compressed win95 boot disk, that i used an over-formatted disk and unpacked it 22:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i once installed win 95 from cd onto a computer without cd or network 22:26:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and the .cab files on the CD were 1.7MB, so they wouldn't fit on normal disks 22:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and windows refused to format to 1.7MB 22:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but from old DOS days i still had this handy tool "VGACopy" 22:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> which could format 1.7MB floppies 22:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so i had two of these floppies, and switched them around between a computer with CD drive, and the one installing windows 22:28:00 <Eddi|zuHause> one .cab file at a time 22:32:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C183.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE1DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 22:33:38 <Zuu> Night folks 22:33:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-27f8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-159-132.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:08 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B314F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:31 <HackaLittleBit> Eddy and don't forget the delightfull fight with IRQ, espacially with sound cards :) 22:46:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2BA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:46:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:46:43 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17543 /trunk/src/sound/allegro_s.cpp: -Fix [FS#3200]: allegro's sound output was worse than excepted 22:50:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226217090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:51:21 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - Later all 22:51:24 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:03:33 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-14-64-35.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:26 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd4d8.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:20:43 <Terkhen> good night 23:20:50 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:25:28 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEb291.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:25:45 <HackaLittleBit> good night all 23:26:45 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:51 *** HackaLittleBit [~HackaLitt@87-196-136-69.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:27 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEd4d8.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:39:14 *** Audigex [~audigex@92.25.201.127] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009082707]]