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10:02:08 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:05:12 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:11:41 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 10:11:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:37 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:17 <Rubidium> thomas001: what version of OpenTTD? 10:33:36 <Rubidium> likely mplayer's SDL output uses a different configuration that OpenTTD's output 10:34:11 <thomas001> Rubidium, i changed the alsa config to a plugin which does rate conversion,now it works :) seems like pbck ;) 10:44:25 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 10:52:55 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:55:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.62.219] has joined #openttd 10:56:16 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:38 *** crakinshot [938f4919@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:09:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.62.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:20 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 11:12:21 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:57 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:24:28 <thomas001> in http://img2.abload.de/img/openttd-fail7ose.png, trains won't leave the depot. they stay in "waiting for free paths". when i remove the track which goes from the up left track into the depot (which allows trains to enter the depot), they start leaving. why? 11:27:14 <Ammler> thomas001: the trains have that station in the order list? 11:27:55 * Rubidium thinks a savegame tells more than that picture 11:28:17 <Ammler> indeed, maybe the "bug" is after the station 11:28:35 <thomas001> hmm the current order is the waypoint before the depot... 11:28:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:09 <Ammler> :-) 11:29:32 <Ammler> they got the service order before 11:30:02 <Ammler> you should manage service with the orderlist too 11:30:11 <thomas001> but why won't they leave? they could go around the whole track system to reach the waypoint 11:30:19 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:30:50 <Ammler> pbs penalty is magic 11:31:23 <thomas001> :D 11:31:27 <thomas001> ok,thank you :) 11:31:43 <Ammler> sorry, you might get better answers from others :-P 11:42:51 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:58 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:45:44 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:46 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 11:48:33 *** nielx [~nielx@ip54525bcc.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:33 <nielx> hola, is anyone familiar with the setup of hg.openttd.org? (specifically with the script that keeps the repository up to date?) 11:51:01 <Rubidium> TrueBrain is, but IIRC it's some generic script that runs as svn post commit hook 11:53:34 <nielx> okay, we (haiku-os.org) are experimenting with a hg mirror of our subversion repository too. 11:53:55 <nielx> I'm curious how you get the 'svn rXXX' in the log message 11:53:56 <Rubidium> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/ConvertExtension 11:56:16 <Rubidium> that svn rXXX might be some custom modification, but I'm not quite sure of it 11:58:04 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87e4e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:21 <Rubidium> can't find a trace of manual insertion of 'svn rXXX' though :( 11:59:41 <nielx> ok, so maybe there is some magic 12:00:02 <nielx> (perhaps at the level of hgweb?) 12:00:03 *** boekabart_ [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 12:00:27 <Rubidium> $HG --encoding UTF8 convert --datesort --config convert.svn.branches= --config convert.svn.tags= --config convert.svn.trunk= $SVN_REPOS/$dir$name $repos_name.hg <- that's the command we do 12:00:42 <Ammler> the svn rxxx is oneliner patch 12:01:11 <Ammler> TrueBrain: gave it once to me... 12:02:09 <AshKyd> Hi all. I've forgotten my bananas username or password, is there a way to get a password reminder or something so I can merge my accounts? 12:03:48 <Rubidium> nielx: http://paste.openttd.org/217097 <- minus the trashing of the diff by paste, but that should give you an idea 12:04:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b84b:ff1e:2d43:c0bd] has joined #openttd 12:04:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:05:27 <nielx> thanks Rubidium 12:06:53 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:07:10 <Rubidium> nielx: any idea where I can find more information about how to properly install beporter; I'm having lots of trouble with it :( 12:07:15 <AshKyd> Aaaah, nevermind. Found it. :) 12:07:35 *** nielx [~nielx@ip54525bcc.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 12:07:45 <Rubidium> AshKyd: I was just about to suggest sending an email to TrueBrain, but apparantly that's not needed anymore 12:07:52 <AshKyd> :) 12:08:08 <AshKyd> Now I'm getting an error from the site: "An unhandled exception was thrown by the application." 12:08:12 <AshKyd> Is that normal? 12:08:24 <AshKyd> (Obviously it's not, but is it a known issue?) 12:08:44 <glx> what are you doing exactly ? 12:09:18 *** nielx [~nielx@ip54525bcc.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:10:02 <Rubidium> lovely... ^^ TrueBrain, the website it throwing eceptions at people :( 12:10:05 <AshKyd> Trying to merge accounts. Just clicked the validation link, and I get an error at http://www.openttd.org/en/account/signup/step2 12:10:13 <nielx> Rubidium: try the haiku-ports mailing list, or the #haiku channel at irc.freenode.org 12:10:45 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 12:12:03 <glx> ha I had that problem, but it's theorically fixed now 12:12:18 <glx> seems it's not, or it's a different one 12:12:22 * AshKyd refreshes and is presented with a theoretical error >_> 12:12:40 <AshKyd> It's all good, I can wait I guess. 12:12:53 <AshKyd> Should I email someone, or is the shoutout on IRC enough to get things rolling? :) 12:12:53 <glx> don't retry, it will still fail :) 12:13:11 <glx> wait for TrueBrain 12:14:05 <glx> I think you can send him a mail 12:14:34 <glx> address on contact page of the site 12:15:52 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.16.126.213] has joined #openttd 12:15:57 <insulfrog> hi all 12:17:02 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 12:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i had such an error when the accounts are already merged when you try to load the page 12:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> so try to login, and see if that works ;) 12:18:05 <AshKyd> Doesn't seem to. 12:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause> then you should really send a mail ;) 12:19:51 <AshKyd> Done. :) 12:20:01 <glx> do you have some special character in your login or password, like a space or underscore ? 12:20:10 <AshKyd> Nope. 12:23:12 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:23:56 *** Yexo [~Yexo@107-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:21 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:19 <insulfrog> not many people on the current fair play server, it at the year 2673 and there isnt' a single transport company 12:29:39 <insulfrog> (game started at year 1930) 12:29:48 <insulfrog> *isn't 12:30:20 <insulfrog> (time to make one I think :p ) 12:32:57 *** nielx [~nielx@ip54525bcc.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has left #openttd [] 12:38:47 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b84b:ff1e:2d43:c0bd] has joined #openttd 12:38:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b84b:ff1e:2d43:c0bd] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 12:39:50 *** glx_ is now known as glx 12:58:45 *** boyamoeba [BoyAmoeba@112.202.233.148] has joined #openttd 12:59:40 <boyamoeba> hey guys need help 13:00:15 <boyamoeba> how come i have no waiting passengers 13:00:19 <boyamoeba> in my airport 13:00:25 <Yexo_> is there already a plane? 13:00:40 <boyamoeba> i designed this scneario 13:00:49 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 13:01:37 <boyamoeba> isnt it there supposed to be waiting people already..airport smacked on a 70,000 people city 13:01:51 <boyamoeba> smacked on center 13:02:14 <Yexo> there is a setting where you can enable that, but by default the passengers will start going to your airport as soon as the first vehicle starts loading 13:03:11 <boyamoeba> got it 13:03:14 <boyamoeba> awesome 13:03:15 <boyamoeba> thanks 13:04:59 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.40.159] has joined #openttd 13:08:46 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 13:12:33 <Belugas> hello 13:13:52 <Ammler> Hallo kluger Mann :-) 13:14:31 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 13:14:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:15:29 *** Sitethief[TOP] [~sitethief@sitethief.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:56 <Sitethief[TOP]> Hello everybody 13:17:39 <Yexo> hello Sitethief[TOP] 13:17:48 <lugo> clap your hands everybody 13:18:13 * Sitethief[TOP] claps hands against lugo's face 13:19:13 <lugo> and Sitethief[TOP] just clap your hands 13:19:29 <Sitethief[TOP]> I did, just not together :P 13:22:00 <Sitethief[TOP]> So, where do I send crash logs/dumps? 13:22:55 <boyamoeba> whatd does it mean when it says aircraft is not avilable? 13:23:02 <boyamoeba> when imtrying to clone it? 13:24:03 <Yexo> see topic: "*.openttd.org (...., patches & bug-reports: bugs, ...)", so that makes bugs.openttd.org 13:24:44 <Yexo> boyamoeba: old vehicles are not supported forever by their manufacturers, so you can't buy that plane anymore 13:31:49 <glx> you can also read what is said in the crash window 13:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> since when does anybody read popup windows? 13:33:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "send all money to microsoft" -> "Ok" 13:42:07 *** pyth [~dirkjan@ai17896.ai.rug.nl] has quit [Quit: pyth] 13:45:58 *** boyamoeba [BoyAmoeba@112.202.233.148] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:48:15 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:57:34 <Rubidium> Sitethief[TOP]: what version of OpenTTD did crash? 13:57:44 <Sitethief[TOP]> leme see 13:57:52 <Sitethief[TOP]> Release version: 0.7.2 13:58:32 <Rubidium> did it happen directly after you did something? If so, what did you do? 13:58:40 <Sitethief[TOP]> although this is probaly due to some new newgrf 13:59:18 <Sitethief[TOP]> Thats a very good question. I was just looking at my nice city, when all of the sudden it crashed. I haven't looked in the savegame that got saved at the crash 14:01:47 <Sitethief[TOP]> yup, was lloking at how my city looked with invisible buildings and the Town and Industry - UK Houses Beta 2.0 NewGRF 14:02:01 <Rubidium> then make a bug report and add the crash.sav, log and dmp and the last autosave (if any) and the savegame you loaded. 14:04:11 <Sitethief[TOP]> Will do 14:04:13 <Sitethief[TOP]> leme see 14:11:08 *** Mark [~mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:04 * boekabart_ is thinking - wouldn't it be possible to store all DoCommandP's next to the last savegame, so that when a crash occurs, the whole gameplay from the last savegame can be 'played back' hopefully resulting in the same crash. Smth like historical debugging... 14:14:06 *** boekabart_ is now known as boekabart 14:14:39 <glx> boekabart_: it's possible (already done for desync debugging) 14:15:09 <boekabart> ok, so the debug_desync output can already be read back? 14:16:35 *** worldemar [~woldemar@85.114.185.39] has joined #openttd 14:18:36 <TrueBrain> [13:59] <Rubidium> can't find a trace of manual insertion of 'svn rXXX' though :( <- you wrote the git-variant yourself :p 14:19:01 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: grepping the wrong directory makes me not find it :) 14:19:49 <TrueBrain> poor you :p 14:21:22 *** crakinshot [938f4919@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:21:40 <TrueBrain> 3 account merge error requests .. lets see ... PEBKAC .. PEBKAC .. and something more seriously :p 14:22:10 <TrueBrain> a boekabart here? What the? You are still alive?! :p 14:22:15 <Sitethief[TOP]> PEBKAC :D 14:22:17 * TrueBrain hugs boekabart 14:22:21 <Sitethief[TOP]> long time ago that I heard that :P 14:22:24 * boekabart hugs back 14:22:45 <Sitethief[TOP]> Rubidium: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3249 14:22:46 <boekabart> alive yes - father of 2 now so the time I can spend on gaming (let alone modding them) is kind of minimal 14:23:06 <TrueBrain> hehe :) Concratz ;) 14:23:26 <boekabart> Anyway, I see that i didn't miss the opportunity to order a r20000 cake yet! 14:23:32 <TrueBrain> nope ;) 14:23:51 <Belugas> wiki administration question: if an organisation (like our) wants to advice users of wiki page change, it obviously need a SMTP server somewhere. Question is : Must that SMTP reside on the same machine? I don;t think so, just want to be sure 14:24:06 <Belugas> hem... our->work@work... 14:24:20 <boekabart> What are the exciting things going on; the roadmap 0.8 doesn't really ... well... excite... 14:24:37 *** worldemar [~woldemar@85.114.185.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:15 <TrueBrain> glx / Rubidium: problem in case of Ashley Kyd, is that he renamed his account from AshK to Ash, which also already exists. Minor chance that ever happening, and this is one ;) 14:26:17 <Rubidium> Belugas: generally it should be possible to use the SMTP on another server, but that depends on the wiki implementation 14:26:48 <AshKyd> Ah. 14:26:58 <AshKyd> That'll do it. Sorry for the confusion. 14:27:23 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: not yet done, give me a sec ;) 14:27:42 <AshKyd> That's fine, I'm easily pleased. :) 14:27:44 <Belugas> ok, Rubidium.thanks 14:29:38 <glx> Sitethief[TOP]: you changed newgrf in running game 14:30:12 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:30:14 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:23 <Sitethief[TOP]> yes I did. But that did not crash it I think, as the crash happend alteast some time after the last tiem I changed 14:30:48 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:30:48 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:52 <glx> can be related to that though 14:30:55 <Sitethief[TOP]> I was looking what was exeactly changing when I switched some newgrf's on and off 14:30:59 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 14:31:00 <Sitethief[TOP]> Yes it can 14:31:20 <glx> btw it crashes in an AI 14:31:24 <Sitethief[TOP]> hmm 14:31:26 <Sitethief[TOP]> thats weird 14:31:44 <Sitethief[TOP]> I'm pretty much ignoring the AI 14:32:56 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 14:32:58 <Sitethief[TOP]> I have enabled desync now, so when it happens again I have more info 14:33:25 <Ammler> debug* 14:33:50 <Sitethief[TOP]> yeah that :P 14:34:04 <glx> you need to recompile for that IIRC 14:34:11 <Ammler> desync is history in openttd :-) 14:34:29 <Sitethief[TOP]> I ain't compiling shit :P ;) 14:34:45 <Rubidium> glx: desync debug doesn't need recompiling :) 14:34:55 <glx> even on 0.7.X ? 14:35:02 <Rubidium> though I don't think desync debug would help 14:35:08 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:35:10 <Rubidium> given the location where the crash occurs 14:35:11 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: I am trying to follow what is going on with your account, but I am a bit confused ... you have a wiki account and a normal account? 14:35:18 <TrueBrain> (normal = openttd.org) 14:35:19 <glx> yes it's not related to commands 14:35:29 <Rubidium> glx: yup 14:35:31 <AshKyd> TrueBrain: Yes, that's correct. 14:35:35 <glx> Sitethief[TOP]: what AI are you using ? 14:35:39 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:41 <Sitethief[TOP]> well, it can;'t hurt to turn it on ;) 14:35:46 <Sitethief[TOP]> ehm, no clue, leme see 14:35:52 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: your wiki account was always 'ash'? 14:35:59 <AshKyd> TrueBrain: Yes. 14:36:00 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:36:07 <Sitethief[TOP]> hmm, where can I see this glx? 14:36:39 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: and for the openttd.org you created two accounts? One 'ash' the other 'ashk'? 14:37:20 <TrueBrain> (my problem there is that one has a .co.uk email address, the other .au) 14:37:23 <AshKyd> TrueBrain: I don't *think* so. I may have created the first one many many years ago and forgotten about it, but I don't know the password so I presume it's someone else's. 14:37:39 <TrueBrain> k .. they are created just a few days after eachother :p 14:37:44 <AshKyd> Ah. 14:37:46 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:56 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37E8ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:38:10 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:38:13 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:22 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: please try the validationa gain 14:38:37 <AshKyd> Sure thing. :) 14:38:59 <TrueBrain> k, enjoy :) 14:39:09 <AshKyd> Worked. Thanks very much for that. :) 14:39:19 <TrueBrain> np, and sorry for the trouble :) 14:39:44 <AshKyd> TrueBrain: Just out of curiosity, what's my username? 14:39:47 <AshKyd> ashk? 14:39:59 <TrueBrain> ash, as you signed on with :) 14:40:17 <AshKyd> Ah, thanks again. :D 14:40:23 <TrueBrain> I renamed the duplicated openttd.org account, which has not yet merged his account and has shown no activity for 6 months, to Ash_ :p 14:41:02 <AshKyd> Aw, poor guy. >_> 14:41:08 <TrueBrain> ;) 14:41:08 <glx> Sitethief[TOP]: chopper and admiralAI are loaded 14:41:22 <glx> shown in AIDebug 14:41:38 <Sitethief[TOP]> ah yeah, under the ? button 14:41:41 <Sitethief[TOP]> thanks 14:41:54 <TrueBrain> fun fact: 644 users are registered to the centralized user system 14:42:12 <TrueBrain> just 7 people so far had (some) trouble merging their account :) 2 of them were legit claims :p 14:42:22 <Ammler> :-) 14:43:38 <Rubidium> glx: which of them uses SetValue? 14:43:42 <Rubidium> Chopper? 14:43:53 <AshKyd> TrueBrain: Not too shabby. 14:44:06 <glx> hard to know (most pointers are NULL in the trace) 14:44:23 <AshKyd> Is there a way to re-license stuff I've already posted? I want to convert to CC-0 instead of CC-BY. 14:44:30 <Rubidium> glx: meant more like grep the tar 14:44:42 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:45:20 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has left #openttd [] 14:45:33 <Sitethief[TOP]> Hmm Choppers Debug window is full, mostly with 'found depot' 14:45:36 <glx> _current_company is 2 14:45:41 <glx> so admiralai 14:46:03 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: upload a newer version ;) 14:46:26 <AshKyd> TrueBrain: Bugger, thought as much. I'm not fussed I suppose. 14:49:32 * Rubidium wonders why STL would crash there though 14:51:17 <Rubidium> or might it be MSVC (over) optimising and reordering statements in some strange way? 14:53:32 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: we are still waiting for someone to rewrite the BaNaNaS web interface ;) 14:53:58 <AshKyd> Oh? 14:54:19 <AshKyd> What's wrong with it? 14:54:19 <Rubidium> yeah, someone really has to do a lot 14:55:17 <TrueBrain> AshKyd: everything? :p It was a quick draft which went public :) I can think of a shitload of features it is missing :) 14:55:40 <AshKyd> Truuuue. So it needs an entire reqrite? 14:56:21 <TrueBrain> well, if I have anything to say about it: YES! :p 14:56:25 <TrueBrain> in Django of course 14:57:30 <AshKyd> I hear nice things about Django. 14:58:15 <AshKyd> Is there a wiki page with the specifics of what's required? 14:58:46 <TrueBrain> I believe not 14:59:37 <Rubidium> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/index.php?string=&project=4&cat[]=45&status[]=open 14:59:58 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 15:00:13 <Rubidium> especially the redesign 'issue' is important 15:00:46 <AshKyd> Interesting. I might do up a wiki page then. 15:01:01 <TrueBrain> we more need someone who does the code :p 15:01:27 <Rubidium> why a wiki page? Duplicating information == stuff gets missed 15:01:36 <Rubidium> just put it all in the tracker 15:01:59 <AshKyd> I just thought incorporating it in one place might make it more manageable. 15:02:24 <AshKyd> I was also thinking it'd make an interesting learning project. Not that this is any kind of commitment from me. 15:02:55 * Rubidium wonders how the bug tracker is not one place 15:03:29 <AshKyd> Well, it's a discussion spread over several pages. 15:03:37 <Rubidium> ... and how the wiki plus the bug tracker is one place 15:03:54 <AshKyd> Lol, all right. 15:04:39 <Sitethief[TOP]> Is there a way to raise the max of 500 road verhicles? 15:04:47 <Rubidium> especially because new feature requests/bugs will likely go to the tracker too, or to the wiki and some people will only look at the tracker and some only at the wiki meaning lots of people will not know about all requests 15:04:59 <Rubidium> Sitethief[TOP]: increase the appropriate in-game setting 15:05:02 <Sitethief[TOP]> k 15:05:03 <Sitethief[TOP]> ty 15:05:19 <Sitethief[TOP]> doh 15:05:23 <Sitethief[TOP]> should have known 15:06:37 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17681 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3248] (r17668): crash when the caption of the query window used parameters 15:07:00 <AshKyd> Rubidium: True enough. 15:13:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17682 /trunk/src/ (16 files): -Codechange: remove erroneous space before some commas 15:23:05 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:26:57 *** Sitethief[TOP] is now known as Sitethief[TOP]{afk} 15:41:41 <insulfrog> heh, I am playing on the fair play server and I'm the only player :p 15:42:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:42:31 <Zuu> Hey 15:42:43 <SmatZ> there aren't many fair players out there 15:42:49 <SmatZ> welcome Zuu 15:42:53 <Zuu> Hi SmatZ 15:42:54 <Rubidium> yes, playing alone on a server implies it is fair play for all that are playing 15:42:54 <SpComb> play fair with youself 15:43:06 <SmatZ> hehehe 15:43:55 <Ammler> yes, if a 2nd joins, server will rename to death match 15:46:22 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 15:46:37 <Zuu> Ammler: Idea for a new script? ;) 15:47:05 <Zuu> Or even native OpenTTD feature :-) 15:47:30 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [] 15:49:27 <insulfrog> it's a transport goame Ammler, not a First Person Shooter :p 15:49:37 <Belugas> Zuu: finish the newobjects for me ^_^ 15:49:45 <insulfrog> *game 15:50:20 <Zuu> Belugas: Then I first need to know what newobjects is. Hehe. Guess google could tell me if I would ask. 15:50:39 <Belugas> you could ask Lakie ;) 15:51:10 <Belugas> it's in fact the same as for newhouses, but for stuff like radio stations, lighthouses and such 15:51:24 <Zuu> Okay 15:51:28 <Belugas> HQ, ownedlands... 15:51:47 <Belugas> basically, making the UNMOVABLES dynamic 15:51:57 <Belugas> as much as newgrfs can be dynamic... 15:52:46 <Ammler> station tiles without tracks and sign 15:53:07 <Zuu> I've never looked into GRF-interacting code so would take some time to get into that. 15:53:23 <Belugas> i shall resume that wokr one day... 15:53:27 <Belugas> i really want to see it done 15:53:54 <Zuu> So that there could be random graphics for radio towers etc. 15:54:32 <Zuu> Or is it more from a coders perfection point of view? 15:57:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:10 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:53 <Belugas> well... everything that the specs specifies 15:59:56 <Belugas> a lot in fact 16:00:19 <Belugas> and eventually, it could even go to the pint of changing the acceptance/production cargo 16:03:12 <glx> Trubrain: Last Change ,...glx (revision 17661, 10 months ago) <-- something is wrong there 16:03:13 <glx> ,... 16:13:02 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:40 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 16:22:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@158.70.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:35 <TrueBrain> glx: I always love when you report a bug without giving me any info where it is coming from :p :p :p 16:26:14 <glx> it's easy to find from where it comes :) 16:26:33 <TrueBrain> I am not in the habbit to research where a bug happens .. I only solve them :) 16:26:36 <glx> but it's WT3 16:26:45 <TrueBrain> Ah :) See, that was not clear to me at all :) Hihi! 16:26:54 <TrueBrain> and it is a known bug, the javascript library messes up in corner cases 16:27:00 <TrueBrain> never took the time to find out why :p 16:27:27 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226152160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:23 *** ostannard [~ostannard@92.15.13.124] has joined #openttd 16:29:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:29 * insulfrog has just constructed a 3-way spaghetti 4 track junction and it looks complex :p 16:33:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... spaghetti, might be a good idea right now... 16:34:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:30 *** ostannard [~ostannard@92.15.13.124] has quit [] 16:34:56 *** ostannard [~ostannard@92.15.13.124] has joined #openttd 16:36:28 <insulfrog> bbl 16:36:29 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.16.126.213] has left #openttd [] 16:39:01 *** ostannard2 [~ostannard@92.8.250.207] has joined #openttd 16:43:01 *** ostannard [~ostannard@92.15.13.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:43 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.40.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.186.0] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:00 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:11:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.186.0] has joined #openttd 17:21:38 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.55.214] has joined #openttd 17:21:45 * insulfrog is back 17:22:51 *** davis [~davis-@p5B28CB66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:07 <insulfrog> huh? my company in the fair play has been completely destroyed 17:23:38 <insulfrog> I passworded my company and making a nice little profit 17:25:04 <Rubidium> let me guess 17:25:06 * insulfrog is wondering if the fair play server cheats by destroying companies right after the company owner(s) leaves the server 17:25:36 <Rubidium> the server has autoclean_protected turned on 17:26:01 <Rubidium> by the way, destroyed as in the company doesn't exist or the company still exists but does stupid things? 17:26:19 <Rubidium> if it's the latter then autoclean_unprotected is turned on too 17:26:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean "the former"? 17:26:46 <insulfrog> the comaply destoryed as it exists 17:26:54 <insulfrog> *company 17:27:06 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes :( 17:27:19 <Rubidium> and probably min_active_clients is 0 17:27:35 <insulfrog> I have some nice tracks, a nice junction, making a nice profit, now all lost 17:28:08 <insulfrog> Who owns the server? 17:28:15 <Rubidium> good question 17:28:47 <Rubidium> as I got absolutely no clue, and probably no one in here has 17:30:18 <Rubidium> 150 servers, 104 'people' in here of which most do not run a server; you can probably count the servers that have the owner in this channel on one hand 17:31:47 <Eddi|zuHause> this has an unsharp assumption that each server has a different owner 17:35:33 <Rubidium> true-ish 17:35:48 * insulfrog sees what other servers which might be good to play on 17:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd try sorting for active clients, then picking one from the top of the list ;) 17:36:45 <Rubidium> although one can assume that if people visit this channel regularly their servers are properly managed and that usually implies a small number of servers instead of those morons running 20 idle servers because idle OpenTTD doesn't take much resources 17:38:23 <Rubidium> I'd join http://www.openttd.org/en/server/107 ;) 17:38:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> in a desert without Pils? 17:40:40 <Eddi|zuHause> horrible thought... 17:40:51 <insulfrog> that server is a bit behind, it's using OTTD 0.6.2 which takes us a while back 17:40:53 <Rubidium> ??kie <- it's good that I've got gray on black instead of black on white because then I'd think my screen is dirty 17:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> oh yeah. i have horrible shock each time i see a black spot that does not (immediately) seem to belong to a letter 17:42:19 <insulfrog> what's the server ' 17:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that is from some serious trauma i suffered 17:42:55 <insulfrog> ...'! Ex Goal - City Mania' ! like? 17:43:16 <Rubidium> it annoys me 17:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17683 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 17:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 changes by arnau 17:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 9 changes by telk5093 17:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: portuguese - 1 changes by SupSuper 17:45:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 153 changes by Tucalipe 17:50:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.115.4] has joined #openttd 17:55:27 <Rubidium> hmm... something has gone wrong a bit :) 17:56:05 <Rubidium> 'my' server has the wrong version number 17:56:13 <Rubidium> I'm amazed it works though 17:57:32 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051184098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:58 <Rubidium> yay, it works :) 17:58:00 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/19256 17:58:30 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 17:59:14 <frosch123> fitting name :) 18:00:08 <frosch123> hmm, "boekabart", haven't read that for some time 18:00:17 <boekabart> very possible 18:03:25 <insulfrog> the people on servers are not very um 'chatty', they don't even say 'hi' back when you say hi to them 18:03:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:47 <Rubidium> well, you haven't joined my server yet :) 18:04:39 <insulfrog> that's because it's a version mismatch, you have OTTD version 0.3.5. and I'm using OTTD version 0.7.2 18:04:52 <frosch123> Rubidium: spectating is boring, isn't it? 18:04:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226152160.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:56 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:05:12 <frosch123> oh, i am not even allowed to specatate? 18:05:13 <Rubidium> frosch123: spectating? 18:05:24 <frosch123> (0 / 0 companies; 0 / 0 spectators) 18:05:31 <frosch123> looks wrong somehow 18:05:44 <Rubidium> yeah... old old protocol; it didn't send that data back then 18:05:56 <frosch123> ok :) 18:07:32 <frosch123> it doesn't compile :o 18:08:02 <Rubidium> you need to tweak minilzo a bit 18:08:20 <Rubidium> just remove the first of the two lines it 'warns' about 18:08:43 *** insulfrog3 [~trainslov@92.2.72.31] has joined #openttd 18:11:22 <frosch123> there were not that many servers back then, right? 18:11:35 <frosch123> the serverlist scrollbar does not work :p 18:11:40 <Rubidium> probably not :) 18:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p 18:12:42 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.1.55.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:46 *** insulfrog3 is now known as insulfrog 18:12:53 <frosch123> it's only the drawing though 18:13:00 <TrueBrain> I am very suprised the MSU still accepts such version :p 18:13:34 <Rubidium> you are? 18:13:48 <Rubidium> it just tells I did my job right when adding stuff to the protocol :) 18:13:57 <TrueBrain> as I said: I am suprised ;) 18:14:22 <TrueBrain> it is not like 0.3.5 is in our test-suite :) 18:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> 0.3.5 is before i knew about openttd, i think 18:15:49 <Rubidium> definitely from before I knew it 18:15:49 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 1 18:15:51 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 18:15:52 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 18:15:59 <TrueBrain> all I care to say about the subject 18:15:59 <Rubidium> @openttd commit 1275 18:15:59 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Commit by truelight :: r1275 tags/0.3.5/ (2004-12-24 00:36:09 UTC) 18:16:00 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: Tagged 0.3.5 18:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i came here a short while before 0.4.5 18:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and i remember downloading 0.4.0 and a few days later it already had version mismatches because of 0.4.0.1 18:18:13 <TrueBrain> 0.4.0.1 .. one of the biggest fuckups in the history of OpenTTD :) 18:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i honestly don't know if i ever had an openttd version before that, but i think i at least heard about it before 18:19:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i played TT original for years before i had internet and learned about TTD 18:19:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that was around TTDPatch 1.6 i think 18:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i then remember downloading TTDPatch 1.7, and then leaving the game in the corner for another while 18:22:35 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: why is 0.4.0.1 such a big fuckup? Seems less fuckup-ish than 0.4.7 18:22:43 <TrueBrain> the version numbering 18:23:01 <Rubidium> oh 18:23:07 <Rubidium> and then 0.4.5 :) 18:25:20 <frosch123> hmm, the extra viewport is not resizeable 18:25:58 <Yexo> The "allowed airport callback" that will be used to check if aircraft can be build / can land on an airport only makes sense if it can base that decision aircraft information. For existing aircraft that is not a problem, but there is very limited information available in the build window. 18:27:36 <Yexo> some 80+x vars can also be useful in the build gui (like vehicle subtype), does it make sense to enable those 80+ vars in the build menu or should I introduce new 50+ vars that return the same but only in the build gui? 18:27:59 <Yexo> talking about varaction2 for aircraft if that wasn't clear 18:29:10 <TrueBrain> frosch123: and THAT you notice? :p 18:29:40 <frosch123> it looks quite useless that way 18:31:04 <frosch123> Yexo: use the same variables 18:31:04 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:24 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:31:31 <frosch123> somewhat i seem to recall that was even done somewhere else 18:31:50 <Yexo> ok, I was mainly wondering because 80+ variables are direct memory access for ttdpatch, and that wouldn't make sense in the build gui (when no vehicle is yet build) 18:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but that is their problem, isn't it? 18:32:24 <frosch123> maybe i thought about canals, they only have 80+x stuff 18:32:53 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:12 *** ostannard2 [~ostannard@92.8.250.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:53 <Yexo> for canals there is no such thing as a build gui, at least I don't expect the water toolbar to use a callback 18:34:03 <Rubidium> 0.3.5 hasn't desynced yet either :) 18:34:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: that _is_ suprising :p 18:34:19 <TrueBrain> well .. without newgrfs it is 'stable' ;) 18:35:15 <frosch123> Yexo: iirc ttdp just fills some memory area with the values of all available variables, same is also done for industry construction check, though it uses very different variables 18:38:17 <Rubidium> hahahaha :) 18:38:26 <Rubidium> in 0.3.5 company value did not substract the loan 18:38:55 <TrueBrain> that wasnt 'fixed' for a long long time 18:39:30 <Yexo> frosch123: ah, ok 18:39:53 <Yexo> can you also take a look at the latest proposal in the "aircraft" section? http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation#Aircraft 18:40:32 <Yexo> I'm not entirely happy with the duplication of the new property and the existing prop 17 bit 2/3 18:43:26 * frosch123 wonders whether ai will start 18:44:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.115.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.228.220] has joined #openttd 18:48:31 <frosch123> Yexo: i do not understand the "existing'" part 18:48:58 <Yexo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Planes <- that page lists prop 17 and documents bit 2 and 3 for seaplane use 18:49:19 <frosch123> yeah, and i guess we should remove it now, as it is richk's stuff 18:49:20 <Yexo> so it was ment as "already documented in ttdpatch wiki", not as "already implemented and used" 18:51:29 <frosch123> happy? 18:51:42 <Yexo> :) 18:54:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.228.220] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 18:54:29 <frosch123> however, imo something like "bit 0 = runway, bit 1 = water runway, bit 2 = heliport, bit 3 = zeppelin pylon" might be more logical than 0 = one thing, 1 = other thing, 2 = both 18:54:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.87.125] has joined #openttd 18:55:30 <Yexo> yes, but the current (and old by richk) definition has the advantage that 0 is ok as default 18:56:18 <frosch123> so 0 as default runway length is also ok? 18:56:29 <Yexo> no, indeed not 18:56:38 <frosch123> and what is the advantage of a certain default value? 18:56:51 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has left #openttd [] 18:57:11 *** PhoenixII [ralph@j104246.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:57:25 <Yexo> for a new property it doesn't matter, when adding bits to an existing var (like richk did) it does matter 18:57:53 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:17 <frosch123> "Is helicopter? 2=no, 0=yes" <- always liked that one :p 19:07:12 *** davis [~davis-@p5B28CB66.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.192.207] has joined #openttd 19:19:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.186.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:07 <Rubidium> so... now where is the autoreplace 19:22:26 <frosch123> yeah, also searched for that one 19:23:28 <frosch123> btw. is there really a OPF/NTP setting? 19:24:37 <Belugas> anyone vaguely familliar with the "Private WithEvents" keyword on Visual basic? 19:24:42 <Belugas> waht is the concept behind it? 19:24:58 <Belugas> Can it be mimic in delphi? 19:25:00 <Belugas> how? 19:27:08 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EF204.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:10 <frosch123> never heard about it 19:31:06 <Belugas> arghhh 19:32:20 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 19:34:25 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:44:56 <insulfrog> gotta go, cyas :) 19:44:58 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.2.72.31] has quit [Quit: hi] 20:05:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-102-127.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:34:13 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:44:21 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@ti0068a380-2354.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:44:46 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p5B0F503A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:36 <Muxy> Belugas: it's a kind of message 20:52:23 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@158.70.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:54:11 <Muxy> Belugas: or better it will permit your COM object to receive message from the system or from another COM object 20:54:55 <Belugas> ho 20:55:33 <Belugas> so... if it's not defined in my app, both the COM and the app cold very well crash 20:56:04 <Muxy> if not defined, then your object will not be able to handle the messages 20:56:16 <Belugas> that's the only outcome? 20:56:40 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p5B0F6648.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:44 <Muxy> because your app is designed to receive some message 20:57:40 <Muxy> but a particular COM object needs the WithEvents in order to receive messages (system or sent by other objets) 20:58:26 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:29 <Belugas> gatcha 20:59:00 <Muxy> for object who interract with the mouse, they should have the WM_MOUSE_XXX 21:00:58 <Belugas> ho... those... ok... really not what i though it was 21:01:57 <Muxy> but the WithEvent should not be private, because it has to be called from outside 21:02:12 <Belugas> equivalent would be : procedure WMVScroll(var Message: TWMVScroll); message WM_VSCROLL; 21:02:16 <Belugas> or something alaile 21:02:22 <Muxy> yeap 21:03:03 <Belugas> so it's not the solutin of my problem 21:03:03 <Belugas> thanks 21:03:14 <Muxy> no wories 21:03:28 <Belugas> maybe i need to upgrade to Delphi2006 or someting 21:03:28 <Muxy> or better: your welcome 21:03:32 <Belugas> :) 21:03:34 <Belugas> i understood ;) 21:04:07 <Yexo> Belugas: you're even famous in the german forums: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4249&pid=56978#pid56978 21:05:05 <Belugas> two words i recognize : Realism and Belugas ^_^ 21:05:10 *** thomas001 [~thomas@p5B0F6648.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.76.214.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:42 <andythenorth> evening 21:06:18 <Yexo> yeah, that's about all there is, it's something like "If it's about realism we'll just get Belugas!" 21:06:41 <Belugas> hehehe 21:06:45 <Belugas> my trademark 21:07:03 <Belugas> i guess this would be what people will remember the most about me 21:07:25 <Yexo> it's a perfect example of how people don't read and simply statements 21:07:56 <Muxy> uhu, my watch command creates now a empty window, even in the menu screen 21:09:29 <Zuu> Belugas: Which delphi version do you use atm? 21:10:03 <Belugas> Delphi6 and 4 21:10:12 <Belugas> yeah, i know,it's old stuff... 21:10:28 <Zuu> Privately I'm stuck at 2006 because that is the last version available for free. But I understand that in cooperate environment you don't want to upgrade unless neccessary. 21:10:42 <Zuu> For example the printing stuff have changed in the later versions. 21:11:06 <Aali> did I hear the D-word? :/ 21:11:23 <Zuu> Aali: Delphi? 21:11:30 <Aali> OH GOD IT BURNS 21:11:33 <Belugas> well.. we don't change much, since it requires oftenly that the in-house components must be rewritten or at least adapted to the new version 21:11:36 <Rubidium> what's wrong with the oracle? 21:12:14 <Zuu> Yea, why change if the effort is higher then the gain.. 21:12:27 <Belugas> indeed 21:12:43 <Belugas> but now, it seems i cold be forced to do so 21:12:58 <Zuu> For vista compability? 21:13:02 <Belugas> ar maybe install d2006 on top or 4 adn6 21:13:08 <Belugas> no, for .Net 21:13:23 <Aali> Belugas: you do delphi for a living? 21:13:35 <Zuu> Oh, never used delphi + .Net, but guess if there is some .Net code you need to interact with then you have no choise. 21:13:40 <Belugas> i don't care much for Vista, our apps have proven to be somewaht compatible 21:13:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.76.214.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:48 <Belugas> Aali, yes :) 21:14:01 <Aali> that explains alot :) 21:14:06 <Aali> I feel for you 21:14:22 <Belugas> no, i'm good, i love Delphi 21:14:24 <Zuu> I was forced to learn it for a summer job, and at the end I started to like it. 21:15:10 <Belugas> i use it since... 1996 for a living 21:15:24 <Belugas> and Turbo pascal since version 3.something 21:15:30 <Zuu> My first contact with it was in 2007. 21:15:44 <Zuu> A lot later.. 21:15:48 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.76.48.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:56 <Rubidium> #define BEGIN { 21:16:16 <Rubidium> etc. 21:16:45 <Zuu> :-) 21:18:19 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EF204.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:19:34 <Rubidium> so... there are only 2 'die hard' OpenTTD fans in here :( 21:19:57 <Rubidium> (and 1 person working at this moment for his family) 21:20:06 <Belugas> ho i'm a fan alright! 21:20:14 <Muxy> Goulp is not dead 21:20:20 <Rubidium> but... you didn't join my server! 21:20:29 <Belugas> and no, i don't work anymore, it's time for me to get out and enjoy my family ;) 21:20:39 <Rubidium> night Belugas 21:20:50 <Belugas> merci Muxy, tres instructif 21:20:50 <Belugas> you too Rubidium :) 21:20:54 <Zuu> night Belugas 21:21:05 <Muxy> Belugas: de rien, ? bient?t 21:21:20 <Belugas> and thaks to youtoo Zuu 21:21:25 <Belugas> thanks 21:21:27 <Belugas> gaaaa 21:21:30 <frosch123> lol, now even yexo starts reading that forum when bored :p 21:21:30 * Belugas is gone 21:22:01 <Rubidium> frosch123: it's better than pics.nase-bohren.de 21:22:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-93-28.leed.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:42 <Muxy> Rubidium: where is your server is the list ? 21:23:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.76.48.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:24 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@i-83-67-58-215.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:40 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:02 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:30:31 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.192.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.192.207] has joined #openttd 21:35:02 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeja88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:40:04 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 21:40:52 <frosch123> Yexo: http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4045&pid=53325#pid53325 <- i found some old "nice" statement :p 21:42:00 <Rubidium> is that him saying he will not do what he has just done? 21:44:41 <frosch123> no idea, i just like the last sentence 21:45:34 <Rubidium> "The real debate on "belugas lead level," I refuse to be decided." <- sounds like a bad translation to me 21:46:57 <frosch123> "I resolutely refuse to discuss the realism-matter on a belugas-level" 21:47:39 <frosch123> poor belugas :) 21:48:03 <frosch123> (actually lucky belugas) 21:52:50 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:53:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:54 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:49 <Terkhen> good night 22:16:54 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@155.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:24:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:32:48 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:39 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:43:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:45:21 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEA4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 22:51:07 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@i-83-67-58-215.freedom2surf.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:10 *** zachanima [~zach@0x5da68c50.hsnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:55:45 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 22:59:00 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:59:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051184098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:01:27 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 23:10:02 <Sacro> huge terminal is huge 23:11:48 <thepalm> hi, I'm having some issues getting ottd to compile in vc 2008 - lots of errors in winnt.h complaining about ,issing type specifiers 23:12:00 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 23:12:25 <Yexo> thepalm: can you paste the complete output to paste.openttd.org? 23:13:07 <thepalm> http://paste.openttd.org/217101 23:14:13 <Sacro> hmm, i have no sound in openttd 23:14:15 <Sacro> just gm 23:15:08 <Sacro> looks to be a bug when using SDL_AUDIODRIVER=pulse 23:15:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-93-28.leed.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:15:32 <glx> thepalm: latest trunk or other version ? 23:16:04 <thepalm> trunk 17676 23:16:33 <Sacro> hmm, think i need sdl-pulse 23:17:11 <thepalm> just tried svn update, still same errors 23:17:34 *** zachanima [~zach@0x5da68c50.hsnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:24 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 23:19:16 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: I'm off] 23:22:56 <Yexo> thepalm: is for some reason either MIDL_PASS or RC_INVOKED defined? 23:23:09 <thepalm> how would i check? 23:23:24 <thepalm> never really mucked around with c before 23:23:32 <glx> clean trunk 23:23:33 <glx> ? 23:24:31 <Yexo> you could open c:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v6.0A\Include\BaseTsd.h and follow the syntax highlighting, check the lines around line 38 23:26:43 <thepalm> it appears that this statement: #if (_MSC_VER >= 1300) && !(defined(MIDL_PASS) || defined(RC_INVOKED)) returns true based on my guess from the syntax highlighting 23:27:00 <Sacro> whoo 23:27:06 <Sacro> OpenTTD and Skype on Pulseaudio 23:27:21 <Yexo> thepalm: same here, so that should be ok 23:27:28 <Yexo> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/gametechnologiesgeneral/thread/631bbed9-91f9-4486-a037-7803aeb8c2d4 <- result of a quick google search, does that help? 23:27:58 <glx> thepalm: which line is grey ? 36 or 38 ? 23:28:11 <thepalm> 38 is gray 23:28:29 <glx> that's ok then 23:31:15 <thepalm> extracted dx files out of vc include dir and put them in seperate folder and last on include list - appears to be working 23:31:42 <glx> you didn't use dx installer ? 23:32:57 <thepalm> extracted from http://neuron.tuke.sk/~mizanin/eng/Dx81sdk-include-lib.rar - as in readme 23:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75C60.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:41 <glx> you know it's easier to use MS installer 23:34:38 <thepalm> this time I got errors : Error 1 fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'unistd.h': No such file or directory about 5 times as well as Error 6 error BK1506 : cannot open file '..\objs\Win32\Release\heightmap.sbr': No such file or directory BSCMAKE 23:35:38 <glx> unistd.h is included for non win32 only 23:36:06 <glx> what patch is applied? 23:36:21 <thepalm> none - the error appears to be coming from zconf.h 23:36:45 <thepalm> line 288 23:36:59 <glx> http://wiki.openttd.org/Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2008_Express_Editions <-- follow this 23:39:32 <glx> you are not using zlib provided in openttd_useful.zip 23:40:26 <glx> because this line should be disabled 23:40:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B760FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 23:43:03 <thepalm> glx: I was using standard gnu version of zlib that I had from something else 23:43:39 *** welshdragon is now known as Redirect_Right 23:44:33 *** Redirect_Right is now known as Welshdragon 23:45:25 *** Welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: 5 ] 23:45:38 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 23:45:39 <glx> even the zlib I use with mingw has this stuff disabled 23:45:39 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:04 <glx> and it's the official zlib 23:48:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p5B2B2883.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:50 <glx> zlib-1.2.3.tar.bz2 from zlib.net 23:48:52 <thepalm> just redownloaded, and line is disabled 23:49:08 <thepalm> must have edited file a long time ago 23:49:11 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 23:49:59 <thepalm> Is there any way to get compile to not have to recompile everything just because of one error? 23:50:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p5B2B2112.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:50:34 <glx> it should recompile only needed files 23:51:35 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@ti0068a380-2354.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:24 <thepalm> compile worked 23:56:27 <thepalm> thanks everyone