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00:01:03 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 00:01:31 *** mikegrb_1 [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 00:05:18 *** mikegrb_3 [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 00:08:43 <Eddi|zuHause> attack of the grbs? 00:09:31 <welshdragon> i suggest a time-ban :) 00:10:15 <welshdragon> woo, filed my first openttd feature request on Flyspray :D 00:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> prepare for your first feature rejection then :p 00:11:44 <welshdragon> oh poo :( 00:13:49 *** Pikk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:14:46 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:59 <welshdragon> a Pick :( 00:17:20 <Eddi|zuHause> great, i just found my openttd-0.4.0-win32 installer ;) 00:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and the matching 0.4.0.1 one ;) 00:21:35 <Sacro> i think my first one was 0.3.4 00:21:39 <Sacro> or was it 0.3.6 00:22:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember if i actually had a 0.3.x version 00:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i do remember that i had a ttdpatch 1.6 00:24:16 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:24:24 <Sacro> i remember Pikka 00:24:31 <Sacro> he created that wonderous UKRS 00:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't really get warm with that one... 00:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i do like PBI though ;) 00:25:57 *** Pikk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:26:35 <Sacro> you probably like dbset or something 00:26:45 <Pikka> what's wrong with the dbset? 00:26:58 <Sacro> Pikka: the locos mean nothing to me 00:27:04 <Sacro> whereas UKRS does 00:27:18 <Sacro> i can go down to the local station and see HSTs and DMus 00:28:25 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@wifi-roaming-0-219.nss.udel.edu] has joined #openttd 00:28:32 <welshdragon> I snuck a look at Pikka's Project 1000, looks sexy 00:28:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-248-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> omg, i either need more nick colours, or i need to sharpen my reflexes to not only look at the colours 00:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> in my eyes, Sacro just had a really weird conversation with himself... 00:29:49 <glx> not that surprising ;) 00:29:57 *** Pikk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 00:30:03 <Pikk> why does my wireless do this of a morning? 00:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, which is why it took me so long to realize :p 00:30:33 <Pikk> anyway, pj1k is coming along... :) just about finished steam, might release an alpha soon. 00:30:57 <welshdragon> BROS has a teaser :) 00:31:02 <Sacro> i can have 50s :D 00:31:05 <Sacro> er 00:31:06 <Sacro> no 00:31:09 <Sacro> 58s :D 00:31:17 <Sacro> nothing but bones going back and forth 00:31:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: see, i have the same problem with the "they mean nothing to me" 00:31:47 <welshdragon> has Sacro seen the BROS forums? 00:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: i can go to the railway station, and can see 143s and 101s 00:32:47 * welshdragon knows what a DB BR101 is ;D 00:33:08 <welshdragon> as I know what a DB BR103 is 00:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i even remember crocodiles from my childhood 00:33:33 <Pikk> db set needs a V90 00:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> dbset needs various stuff... 00:34:19 <Pikk> db set needs company colours! >:D 00:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but MB apparently bundles his releases with DNF 00:34:50 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:57 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause: i can go to the railway station and shudder if i see a 143 00:35:06 <Sacro> not quite sure on my 101 reacton, I don't think there are that many 00:35:14 <Sacro> welshdragon: linkeh 00:35:24 <welshdragon> Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=220 00:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> 143 is the most common engine around here 00:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause> pretty much every local and regional train has one... 00:36:18 <Eddi|zuHause> except a few that run on non-electrified tracks, which usually run DMUs 00:36:26 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@wifi-roaming-0-219.nss.udel.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:32 <Sacro> welshdragon: the rear on the \ view is rong 00:36:33 <Sacro> *wrong 00:36:49 <welshdragon> yeah, it's a WIP 00:36:51 <Sacro> it looks bent 00:36:59 <Pikk> 143 is tres boxsome 00:37:15 <Sacro> i don't get to go on one :( 00:37:21 * Sacro is doing 158/222/222/HST 00:37:28 <Sacro> well, might be 221 00:37:50 <welshdragon> Sacro: http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=170 might be better 00:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikk: just the way i like them ;) 00:38:02 *** Pikk is now known as Pikka 00:38:13 <Pikka> easier to draw, I guess :P 00:38:37 * Pikka is currently working on an A3... I got the horizontal views done at least. :P 00:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: the problem is, they are not in the dbset 0.82 00:39:00 <Sacro> 444 :D 00:39:27 <Pikka> oh :) 00:39:33 <welshdragon> Pikka: you mean you are doing one of these > http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=88 00:39:46 <Pikka> yes, welshdragon 00:39:55 <Pikka> but the scale of pj1k is different from bros 00:40:16 <welshdragon> hehe 00:40:28 <Pikka> eddi: well, loco pool and all... you could make a "dbset compatible" one without editing the db set. 00:40:46 <Sacro> omg 00:40:51 <Sacro> that a3 is beautiful 00:41:08 <welshdragon> look at page 2 00:41:43 <Sacro> Yeah 00:41:45 <Sacro> they look nice 00:41:56 <Sacro> 91s :D 00:42:03 <welshdragon> Sacro: if you join I'll give you a special title 'honorary twat who's here to comment and not draw' :P 00:42:40 <Sacro> :D 00:42:45 <Sacro> inb4 worley? 00:42:50 <welshdragon> yep 00:43:00 <Sacro> i imght draw 00:43:04 <Sacro> i might release some of my LULset 00:43:07 <welshdragon> hehe 00:43:17 <welshdragon> ooh, that would be something special :) 00:43:18 <Pikka> Sacro: for the lulz? 00:43:24 <Sacro> I've got some nice 95 stock 00:43:28 <Sacro> Pikka: indeed 00:43:38 <Sacro> i think i have all the surface stock done 00:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: he said he replaced the 112 with the 143 in v0.9, but that is, like i said, bundled with duke nukem forever... 00:44:06 <Pikka> welshdragon: http://www.pikkarail.com/ttd/paccomp.png 00:44:21 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically the same thing, though... 00:45:00 <welshdragon> ooh 00:45:12 <Sacro> found some 00:45:18 <Sacro> found a, c, c refurb 00:45:40 <Sacro> d and d refurb 00:45:56 <Sacro> but of q too 00:46:00 <Sacro> q stock = sexy 00:46:21 <Sacro> http://www.piccadilly-line.org.uk/5th%20March%202006%20016.jpg 00:47:01 <Sacro> Password must be between 6 and 30 characters long, must contain letters in mixed case and must contain numbers. <- bullsh 00:47:17 <welshdragon> nope, sorry 00:47:28 <welshdragon> anti-spam measure :P 00:47:43 <Sacro> makes my password less secure 00:48:18 <Sacro> do want own forum 00:48:28 <welshdragon> Sacro: it was easy 00:48:37 <Sacro> welshdragon: make me a subform 00:48:39 <Sacro> :p 00:48:46 <Sacro> I might do some 3rd and 4th rail too 00:48:51 <Sacro> and some nicer signals 00:48:51 <welshdragon> Sacro: agree to the license first :P 00:48:56 <Sacro> what licence? 00:49:02 <welshdragon> it's a readme 00:49:10 <Sacro> my stuff is CC-BY-SA 00:49:23 <Sacro> link me 00:49:43 <Sacro> found 00:49:49 <welshdragon> http://freeside.co.uk/~welshdragon/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16 00:50:58 <Sacro> sigh, I disagree with using the GPL for graphics 00:51:06 <welshdragon> i know 00:51:09 <welshdragon> i know 00:52:08 <Sacro> :( 00:52:32 *** kay [~kay@90.242.204.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't use CC-BY-SA graphics in a GPL project 00:56:54 <Sacro> true 00:57:07 <Sacro> GPL sucks but i guess I could release under it 00:58:01 <welshdragon> Sacro: i've made you a moderator of your forum 00:58:09 <Sacro> :D 00:58:50 <welshdragon> I should really make Pikka the moderator for the UKRS graphics, but he hardly visits ;/ 00:58:50 * Sacro brings a chair and a pot plant 00:59:14 <Pikka> you're not really using them anyway, are you? 00:59:24 <welshdragon> no 00:59:25 <Pikka> and it's not like I'm going to add anything new there 00:59:30 <welshdragon> true 00:59:39 <welshdragon> They are there for some reason 01:00:02 <welshdragon> (Lawton) 01:00:06 <Sacro> hmm, not sure if i have permission to GPL these things 01:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> argh, and the forum does it again... 01:00:50 <Sacro> they might be RonStar's actually 01:00:56 <Sacro> some i know where done by lws1984 01:01:12 <welshdragon> he's said all his stuff can be GPL 01:01:19 <welshdragon> as is Ronnie's 01:01:27 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-73.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:01:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.20.49.167] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 01:02:11 <welshdragon> Sacro: next thing: come and idle in #bros 01:02:28 <welshdragon> i may, may, give you ops in that channel 01:04:52 <Sacro> what server? 01:05:00 <welshdragon> same as this one 01:05:33 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, this is funny, apparently there is a war going on between the german blogosphere and the german wikipedia, because wikipedia does not accept anything on the inteernet as ressource, so quite a number of articles related to recent events about the "internet civil rights movement" have been deleted for "irrelevance" 01:06:38 <Sacro> heh 01:10:32 * Sacro yawns 01:20:34 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:21:49 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:58d0:bbee:7931:371d] has joined #openttd 01:21:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:58d0:bbee:7931:371d] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 01:22:10 *** sdafsdf [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:22:10 *** glx_ is now known as glx 01:22:22 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:24 *** sdafsdf is now known as LadyHawk 01:22:26 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has joined #openttd 01:22:49 *** guru3 [~guru3@78-105-161-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:29:41 *** welshdragon [~markjones@client-82-2-113-132.brnt.adsl.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 01:36:17 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.185.24.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:52 <Tekky> Hi, in case anyone is interested, I just created a patch for OpenTTD in which trains only lose reliability when they are moving. They no longer lose reliability when they are waiting for a full load or when they are deadlocked in front of a red signal. Please see the forum for further information: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=45590 01:39:32 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds useful 01:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> if i only played with breakdowns :p 01:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Tekky: if you can fiddle this in there: make trains not lose reliability when breakdowns are disabled 01:41:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's silly that when breakdowns and servicing is disabled, trains are running around with 0% reliability 01:42:09 <Tekky> Actually, my patch already does that, as a side effect, I think. I haven't actually tested it, but by looking at the code, I think the reliability will not decrease. 01:42:18 <Tekky> Just a moment, I will test it. 01:44:34 <Tekky> Yes, as I thought.... my patch already does what you want. :) 01:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> fine 01:45:32 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 01:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause> also a once annoying situation: a train that was stopped in a depot for a while would come out of it with 0% reliability and immediately turn back for servicing 01:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> but that might have been resolved by servicing again on leaving the depot, not sure 01:48:29 <Tekky> Hehe, yes, with my patch, that will no longer happen, as only moving trains will lose reliability. 01:49:14 <Tekky> Of course, if you have breakdowns disabled, trains will NEVER lose reliability. 01:51:08 <Tekky> assuming of course that you are using my patch. Otherwise, they WILL lose reliability, as you have already pointed out. 01:53:48 <Tekky> However, I am not the first one to work on improving the breakdown system. For example, forum user 'Swallow', who now renamed himself to 'Hirundo', did some very interesting work: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39518 01:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i remember that... 01:57:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:53 <Tekky> I think it may be better to make trains only brake down if you neglect them by not servicing them. Brakedowns despite having a high reliability should be made less frequent, I think. 02:00:07 <Tekky> Otherwise, breakdowns get too annoying. 02:06:54 <Tekky> I am going to bed now, good night. 02:14:31 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.185.24.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 02:32:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:58d0:bbee:7931:371d] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:34:18 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-73.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:41 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 03:33:07 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:38:26 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 04:13:16 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:40 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:06:14 *** nicfer1 [~usuario@190.50.32.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:10:38 *** MyCatVerbs [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:11:02 *** teeone [oryan@look.at.all.my.lackies.com] has joined #openttd 05:11:41 <teeone> anybody alive? 05:15:09 <Forked> meep 05:15:23 <teeone> hehe 05:15:53 <teeone> i'm trying to turn off my OpenTTD Base Graphics....because i think people can't join my dedicated server 05:15:59 <Forked> hopefully all the nonbots here are alive :) 05:17:33 <teeone> do you know if this is true? 05:18:13 <Forked> no idea, sorry. 05:18:22 <teeone> dam 05:19:01 <teeone> i shoulda never downloaded those graphics 05:19:21 <teeone> and AI ... 05:19:32 <teeone> its fucking with my dedicated server now :( 05:30:50 <teeone> cause i made this kick ass heightmap of the northwestern USA and i want to play it multiplayer but i cant lol 06:16:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:23:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 06:30:24 <Muxy> teeone: what's your server name 06:31:41 <Muxy> teeone: you can also check on http://www.openttd.org/servers if your server has grf or not. 06:44:14 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 06:46:34 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 06:46:57 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:56:23 *** pavel1269 [~chatzilla@p407.fei.wifi.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 06:56:33 *** pavel1269 [~chatzilla@p407.fei.wifi.vutbr.cz] has quit [] 06:56:53 *** pavel1269 [~chatzilla@p407.fei.wifi.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 07:02:03 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 07:05:21 *** Pikk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:06:54 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:23 *** boekabart [~boekabart@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 07:15:40 *** Xaroth_ is now known as Xaroth 07:22:56 *** pavel1269 [~chatzilla@p407.fei.wifi.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 07:24:20 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 07:33:25 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 07:33:32 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 07:51:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.1.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:52:37 <andythenorth> morning 07:58:26 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 07:58:36 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 07:59:57 *** MyCatVerbs [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:00:54 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:01:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEef56.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:09:21 <Pikk> morning andy 08:09:38 *** Pikk is now known as Pikka 08:09:49 <Forked> I was about to translate "Pikk" from .no to english.. 08:12:02 <_LN> from Norway to English? 08:12:20 <_LN> Kingdom of Norway to language of English 08:12:35 <Forked> .no talk then ;) 08:14:41 <Pikka> .nospeak 08:14:54 * Forked shuts it 08:17:19 <Pikka> hmm 08:18:38 * Pikka ponders changing all the company colours... I did a colour replace with non-standard colours to see what a CC vehicle would look like and it looks.. interesting 08:19:00 <Pikka> I think someone was doing something similar... making red darker, etc 08:22:42 <andythenorth> Pikka: I have just started a game with the grf that changes mauve to black 08:22:49 <andythenorth> surprisingly fun 08:22:53 <andythenorth> for just a colour change 08:23:05 <andythenorth> changes certain menus to black as well! :O 08:23:44 <andythenorth> current red sucks, unless you happen to be playing the uk and want to pretend Royal Mail run all transport 08:23:56 <andythenorth> which would be ironic today, seeing as none of their vehicles are moving (strike) 08:25:55 <Pikka> :P 08:26:17 <Pikka> a lighter brown, a redder pink, a more contrasty orange... 08:30:08 <Pikka> anyway... 08:39:26 <andythenorth> I want to see Kattaerthwait 08:39:30 <andythenorth> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_color_is_Kattaerthwait 08:40:09 <andythenorth> Meanwhile, back at the ranch.... 08:40:10 <andythenorth> http://www.winsornewton.com/products.aspx?PageID=160 08:43:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.1.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:50:02 *** Pikk [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 08:50:06 <Pikk> oh 08:50:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.1.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:26 <Forked> (translates to cock, and not the chicken kind, heh) 08:50:51 <Pikk> how handy 08:51:36 *** Pikk is now known as Pruple 08:53:35 *** andythenorth is now known as Quinacridone 08:53:58 *** Quinacridone is now known as Viridian 08:54:11 *** Pruple is now known as VirginiaTrioli 08:54:14 <fonsinchen> You can change the menu colors via grf? Interesting ... 08:54:33 *** Viridian is now known as andythenorth 08:54:40 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: I'll screenshot 08:55:02 <fonsinchen> Oh, that's nice 08:56:17 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:51 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=45592 08:58:51 <fonsinchen> Wow. Is this intended by the devs or is it a bug? And could you do that with any color? 08:58:58 <andythenorth> dunno 08:59:05 <andythenorth> anyway, work time :) 08:59:07 <andythenorth> bye 08:59:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.1.37.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 09:10:08 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 09:10:26 *** VirginiaTrioli [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:19:02 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.220.55] has joined #openttd 09:19:45 <Terkhen> hello 09:20:42 <Rubidium> ehlo 09:45:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D6C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:25 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:48 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:06:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:39:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEef56.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:53:46 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined 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DrawStringMultiLine would in some corner case, top = bottom + 1, draw the string 14:25:35 *** kay_ [~kay@90.242.204.141] has joined #openttd 14:26:31 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.231.239] has joined #openttd 14:26:32 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17843 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: move the details drawing code of the content window to a separate function 14:27:41 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:38 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:38 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 14:35:07 *** CaptObvious [~matt@cpc4-darl2-0-0-cust169.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:33 <CaptObvious> which setting in the config file controls how flat the terrain is for map generation? and what do I need to set it to to make the terrain as flat as possible? 14:36:17 <CaptObvious> nevermind, found it :) 14:37:00 <Rubidium> if you want a as flat as possible map, start the scenario editor and let it randomly build some towns/industries on a completely flat map 14:37:43 <CaptObvious> I don't mind some hills, it's just it was generating a map that was too hilly 14:39:27 <Eddi|zuHause> but hills are the most fun... 14:48:26 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aoq114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:53:08 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDF9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... my DNS is acting up... 14:56:33 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:57:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF935B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:55 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:23 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:41 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:45 *** TrainzStoffe 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link 15:28:07 <Rubidium> although... on the other hand, who clicks on links on a 'randomly' generated page by a company you don't know any employees of? 15:29:08 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:42 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest120 15:33:44 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:37:34 *** Guest120 [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051195218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> since when is "know a company" equivalent to "know an employee of the company"? 15:42:25 <CaptObvious> did they change openttd so it fills multiple trains at once instead of one of a time? 15:42:56 <CaptObvious> if they did, that's a damn annoying change 15:43:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> CaptObvious: it's a setting, "Improved Loading" or something 15:43:58 <CaptObvious> I have it on 15:44:00 <planetmaker> CaptObvious: learn to look at the settings 15:44:09 <CaptObvious> I did already. improved loading is enabled 15:44:14 <CaptObvious> and it's still loading multiple trains 15:44:16 <planetmaker> yeah. disable 15:44:24 <CaptObvious> I've tried it both ways 15:45:22 <Rubidium> what's the problem with loading multiple trains? 15:45:31 <CaptObvious> it's less efficient 15:45:47 <Rubidium> in what way? 15:46:11 <CaptObvious> if you have 2 trains in a station and it loads both at once, both leave at the same time so you have no train there to continue picking up goods, so your rating drops 15:46:13 <Rubidium> assuming you've got improved (aka fifo) loading turned on 15:46:31 <CaptObvious> loading one at a time, the first one leaves and leaves the second in the station collecting while it makes its run 15:46:52 <CaptObvious> I have improved loading on and it's still loading multiple trains with the same good 15:46:58 <planetmaker> CaptObvious: then the obvious solution is a station with one track 15:47:10 <planetmaker> then your train can only enter after the first is loaded, eh? 15:47:15 <CaptObvious> no, since there's still a time with no train in station 15:47:22 <CaptObvious> and that hurts your rating 15:47:38 <Rubidium> CaptObvious: so loading 1 train, then another, then another is faster than loading whatever won't fit in the train that arrived first in the train that arrived second? 15:47:49 <CaptObvious> not faster, more efficient 15:48:26 <Rubidium> what's less efficient about loading a second train if you know the station has enough cargo to fully load the first? 15:48:27 <CaptObvious> since to get your rating up you need to always have a not-full train in station 15:48:43 <CaptObvious> I don't mean that, I mean multiple trains sat in station getting loaded gradually 15:48:57 <CaptObvious> like now I have one at 40% and one at 12% 15:49:01 <Rubidium> or is your objective to only load 1 train at a time and have a huge stockpile on the station? 15:49:10 <planetmaker> CaptObvious: you miss the obvious: the cargo arrives faster than one train can load 15:49:15 <planetmaker> then two trains get loaded 15:49:28 <CaptObvious> oooo, that may be it 15:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the irony... 15:49:33 <planetmaker> and that's indeed an improvement 15:49:36 <CaptObvious> since I have one station serving 3 forests 15:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it's killing me... 15:50:00 <CaptObvious> but it's loading 3 trains at once now 15:50:08 * planetmaker hands Eddi|zuHause a spoon full of harsh irony-free truth as cure 15:50:31 <CaptObvious> and I just had a breakdown, so the server is obviously ignoring my openttd.cfg 15:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, loading a savegame will ignore the .cfg 15:51:08 <planetmaker> of course. Servers don't care about your cfg 15:51:14 <planetmaker> and savegames 15:51:30 <CaptObvious> it's my server 15:51:35 <CaptObvious> I'm on about the config file on the server 15:51:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> CaptObvious: try the ingame console instead 15:53:00 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 15:54:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc8fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:00 <CaptObvious> okay 15:57:12 <CaptObvious> so I change the improved_load = false to true in the config 15:57:19 <CaptObvious> but as soon as I launch the server it changes it back 15:58:36 <Rubidium> savegames override the config, so if you load a savegame whatever is in the config file is basically ignored 15:58:47 <Rubidium> savegames don't overwrite the config though 15:59:01 <CaptObvious> ah, I didn't change the difficulty to custom 15:59:32 <Rubidium> improved loading isn't influenced by the difficulty level 16:00:24 <CaptObvious> it must be 16:00:36 <CaptObvious> since I changed the difficulty to custom and it stopped overwriting it 16:01:40 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r17845 /trunk/docs/ (obg_format.txt obs_format.txt): -Fix (r17744): Missing 'g' in sed command. 16:02:15 <frosch123> who cares about single digits 16:04:57 <planetmaker> I like my digits. All 20 of them 16:05:43 <frosch123> planetmaker is a alien! 16:05:55 <planetmaker> uh, you don't have toes? 16:06:25 <planetmaker> or don't they count as digits? 16:06:27 <frosch123> i have 10 toes, 8 fingers and 2 thumbs 16:06:47 <planetmaker> uff. A well disguised alien then? ;-) 16:07:21 <frosch123> hmm, always thought finger was also an english term 16:07:37 <frosch123> so 10 toes, 8 digits and 2 thumbs 16:08:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:46 <frosch123> hmm, it is, but i have difficulties with reading 16:09:13 <planetmaker> hm... 'finger' is not English? 16:09:39 <planetmaker> it is acording to my dictionary 16:09:43 <planetmaker> *according 16:09:51 <frosch123> it is 16:10:38 <planetmaker> and digit can be both, toe and finger :-) 16:11:24 <Goulp> and thumb is derivated from finger ? 16:11:47 <planetmaker> nope. It's the opposite of finger 16:12:09 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@254.78.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:17 <Goulp> its a friend then. 16:14:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:20:38 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aoq114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:21:46 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:28:43 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:43 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 16:45:42 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17846 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the network content window nested 16:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> discussing with HIM is fun... 16:51:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:53:19 *** Goulp [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 17:07:20 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:09:34 *** pva [Paul@79.135.214.40] has joined #openttd 17:11:04 <pva> hi 17:20:36 <pva> anyone alive?.. 17:22:17 <pva> ok, bye.. =( 17:22:22 *** pva [Paul@79.135.214.40] has left #openttd [] 17:24:08 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 17:24:39 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3810.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:20 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> why is that the exact outcome of the conversation that i expected? 17:26:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B003A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:26:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:29:46 <SmatZ> it happens quite often 17:30:04 <SmatZ> it surprises me how impatient people are 17:30:40 <frosch123> he, this one stayed for 10 minutes 17:31:45 <SmatZ> maybe it's our fault for not greeting him 17:32:21 <Arvid_> I think its funny ppl dont have more than >15min of patience 17:32:43 <Arvid_> that should really mean that we shoul be able by law to shoot the bastards 17:32:43 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe we should teach babyottd to respond to such greetings? 17:33:11 <andythenorth> evening 17:33:13 <SmatZ> hehe 17:33:16 <SmatZ> hello andythenorth 17:33:21 <Arvid_> hola :) 17:33:24 <andythenorth> that was a quick response 17:33:31 <andythenorth> I would have waited at least 15 mins for that 17:33:40 <SmatZ> [19:33:12] <SmatZ> hehe <== you knew I am here 17:33:52 <SmatZ> I wouldn't greet you if I didn't say that 17:34:08 <SmatZ> :-p 17:34:32 <Arvid_> really nice to see that the old skool gamers still use irc :D 17:34:41 <SmatZ> yeah :-) 17:34:52 <Arvid_> everyone else moved on to msn and facebook 17:35:19 * frosch123 does not mind 17:35:44 * Arvid_ takes away frosch123`s right to choose for himself 17:35:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.156.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:58 <SmatZ> those are just fashion things, IRC has solid grounds :) 17:36:13 <Arvid_> it really is 17:36:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.156.191] has joined #openttd 17:37:46 <Arvid_> as king julian say : you Pansies ! 17:37:58 <Arvid_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FM5kLuV9YU 17:37:58 <Eddi|zuHause> who? what? 17:38:32 <SmatZ> :) 17:38:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc8fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:55 <SmatZ> I like the melody 17:39:00 * Arvid_ dances 17:39:29 <SmatZ> hehe 17:40:24 <SmatZ> hmm reminds me last time I was at disco with friends, some girls called us gay... 17:40:32 <SmatZ> actually, with friend 17:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, from madagascar, yes, i know that... 17:40:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:02 <Arvid_> girls REALLY like gay guys SmatZ, so no worries :P 17:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> borat singing a song ;) 17:41:35 <SmatZ> Arvid_: well we are not gay :) 17:42:02 <Eddi|zuHause> (Sacha Baron Cohen alias Ali G, Borat, Br?no, ...) 17:42:03 <Arvid_> SmatZ : im just tryin to help ya ;) 17:42:09 <SmatZ> hehe, thanks 17:42:24 <Arvid_> Eddi|zuHause : yeah, sacha can sometimes be cool :) 17:44:14 <Arvid_> tho, I think he has gone to much over to his gay side with borat, and his new character which I dont remember atm 17:45:38 <Arvid_> so, on that bomb shell ! 17:45:47 <Arvid_> what other games are ppl playin ? 17:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried to get that latest Siedler game running, but it crashes... 17:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> and Gilde 2 has weird graphics errors... 17:48:19 <Arvid_> hehe, so you still playin on your good ol` voodoo 2 card ? =) 17:48:54 <Arvid_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU 17:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14070&iTestingId=33278 17:49:07 *** boekabart [~boekabart@ip218-114-173-82.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i have an ATI Radeon 9700 Pro 17:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and i don't want to boot into windows, just to play a game... 17:49:48 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@118.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:49:53 <Terkhen> hello 17:49:59 <Arvid_> hola :) 17:50:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 17:50:35 <SmatZ> hello Terkhen :) there was/is some patch of yours I wanted to implement, right? 17:50:42 <SmatZ> oh now I remember 17:50:47 <Arvid_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrZcztxRquo 17:50:47 <SmatZ> the "found town" patch 17:50:49 <SmatZ> good :) 17:51:43 <planetmaker> :-) 17:52:01 <Terkhen> :) 17:52:11 <SmatZ> hehe @ dinosaurs 17:52:32 <Arvid_> \o/ bill hicks was da king ! 17:52:55 <Terkhen> it's been a long time since I updated it for the last time 17:53:59 <SmatZ> it's ok, I am updating my local copy :) 17:54:50 <Terkhen> okay 17:59:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:00:10 <Arvid_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTN3s2iVKKI 18:02:42 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:06:52 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:53 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:07:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:08:58 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:10:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:18:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:23:04 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aoq114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:02 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:31 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc210.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:32:06 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:34:13 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:13 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 18:34:33 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 18:41:58 <PierreW> !dl win32 18:41:58 *** PierreW was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 18:41:58 *** PierreW [sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has joined #openttd 18:42:02 <PierreW> oops 18:42:03 <PierreW> lol 18:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> at least the bot works ;) 18:42:37 <PierreW> i like ;) 18:44:11 <SmatZ> [20:41:57] --> PierreW se p?ipojil ke kan?lu (sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info). <== spam? :-p 18:44:36 <PierreW> nooooo, just vhost 18:45:02 <PierreW> i already got once kicked for being a spambot that i'm not :-D 18:45:50 <SmatZ> bad vhost :) 18:47:50 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:20 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 18:50:41 <Arvid_> hola :) 18:50:57 <Nite_Owl> Hello Arvid_ 18:51:10 <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl 18:51:22 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 18:52:10 <Arvid_> whats crackin ? =) 18:52:23 <Nite_Owl> nutz 18:52:28 *** TrainzStoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:26 <MyCatVerbs> You don't get floating-point numbers in NFO code, do you? 18:59:38 *** Stoffe [~mirc@237.203.216.81.static.g-td.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:38 *** TrainzStoffe is now known as Stoffe 18:59:45 <MyCatVerbs> Just to check, all maths has to be fixed-point, right? 19:00:20 <MyCatVerbs> Rubidium: Andy says I should beg you for an answer. :D 19:01:53 <planetmaker> :-D 19:03:28 <andythenorth> ^^ I've enlisted nfo help 19:03:50 <andythenorth> I *cannot* do 32 bit maths. Not even if someone threatened to shoot me. 19:03:55 <andythenorth> Well maybe 19:04:12 * Prof_Frink grabs the rifle 19:04:35 * andythenorth runs away 19:04:39 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:49 <planetmaker> huhu ;-) 19:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause> MyCatVerbs: all maths in the entire game has to be fixed-point 19:05:24 <planetmaker> or should I say "houhou" in English? 19:05:38 <Eddi|zuHause> except possibly in parts of the landscape generation code 19:05:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:50 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 19:06:04 <Nite_Owl> Hello planetnmaker 19:06:24 <Nite_Owl> I cannot type when I am tired 19:06:40 <planetmaker> :-) 19:06:45 <planetmaker> me neither. 19:07:49 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so you mistyped "hello planetmaker" by "/quit"? 19:07:59 <planetmaker> hehe 19:08:19 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 19:09:45 <Nite_Owl> no - my ISP has been having signal strength problems around here for the past few months so my modem randomly drops out 19:10:22 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:05 <Nite_Owl> I have a quick fix for it but it takes a few seconds to physically do it 19:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i can't get any sensible game to run :( 19:11:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Siedler (7?) crashes on start, Gilde 2 has horrible graphics glitches 19:12:54 <Rubidium> and that 'make the train run' game doesn't please you anymore? 19:13:16 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: thank you very much, Eddi|zuHause. 19:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 19:14:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.174.224] has joined #openttd 19:16:58 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: Surely you build a train so you don't have to run 19:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> a jump'n'run game... where do i get one of those... 19:18:02 <Rubidium> well... when I go on my bike I don't have to run, when I go with a train I occasionally have to to make the connection 19:18:52 <Prof_Frink> Solution: Get a car. 19:19:34 <Rubidium> well... when I go with a car I don't have to run, when I go with a train I occasionally have to to make the connection 19:20:22 <Prof_Frink> When I go by car I don't have to run, when I go by train it's because the car's broken. 19:20:59 <Rubidium> and then you occasionally have to run... 19:20:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.166.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:21:21 <Prof_Frink> When I run it's because I want to run. 19:21:29 <Prof_Frink> Or at leaast want to wake up. 19:22:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db004b0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i have to run to get the bus even... 19:23:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B003A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:15 <Rubidium> it drives 20 km/h through town and you have to jump on/off? 19:24:39 <MyCatVerbs> Eddi|zuHause: how wide are the registers in TTD, please? 19:24:40 <Prof_Frink> Routemaster! 19:24:55 <MyCatVerbs> Please please please please please please please let it be 32 bits. *fingerscrossed* 19:25:35 <Rubidium> depends on their final usage :) 19:25:48 <MyCatVerbs> Ah, 32 bits. Serves me right for not having read the wiki first. ^^ 19:25:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B37A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:28:11 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:35:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:37:54 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@DSL01.212.114.232.97.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:18 <andythenorth> nfo: what larks 19:47:24 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-249-031-191.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:03 <andythenorth> @seen frosch123 19:52:03 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: frosch123 was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 16 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: * frosch123 does not mind 19:52:09 <andythenorth> oh 19:58:41 <andythenorth> what are acceptable values for persistent storage registers? 00 - 0F? 20:01:32 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@87.115.128.52] has joined #openttd 20:01:36 <Rubidium> for feature A 16 4 byte 'slots' 20:01:46 <Rubidium> as per the spects 20:01:49 <Rubidium> s/t// 20:12:01 <andythenorth> help! 20:15:03 <Rubidium> printf("%s\n", very_descriptive_answer_to_the_problem_of_andythenorth); 20:17:07 <xi> error C2065: 'very_descriptive_answer_to_the_problem_of_andythenorth' : undeclared identifier 20:17:35 <_LN> http://www.crap.fi/?i=1639 20:18:42 <andythenorth> how *does* one get a value from persistent storage and stick it on the text stack? 20:18:59 <Rubidium> 7c 20:19:01 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/217525 20:19:12 <andythenorth> nfo renum rabidly disagrees me 20:19:15 <andythenorth> with * 20:19:54 <Rubidium> andythenorth: you know how to read something of the 'normal' stack? 20:20:35 <andythenorth> I know how to get a substring ID from the stack and render that in a text 20:20:43 <andythenorth> I'm pretty clueless about the rest 20:22:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc8fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:53 <andythenorth> yay frosch123 20:23:56 <andythenorth> just in time... 20:23:57 <andythenorth> :D 20:24:02 <frosch123> :p 20:24:06 <MyCatVerbs> Poor soul. 20:24:20 <andythenorth> ^^ ignore him he doesn't know the answer either (yet) 20:25:02 <andythenorth> frosch123: nfo troubles :) 20:25:16 <frosch123> really? what a surprise :p 20:25:21 <andythenorth> trying to get a value from persistent storage and stick it on the text stack 20:25:35 <andythenorth> this will give us a (very dumb) debugger for industry code 20:25:51 <andythenorth> and will also be useful for the actual industry code :) 20:25:56 <frosch123> so use var 7c to read it and \sto to store it 20:26:03 *** StarLionIsaac [~chatzilla@87.115.128.52] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 20:27:11 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/217525 20:27:21 <andythenorth> I made nfo-renum cross :( 20:27:37 <Nite_Owl> buy it a beer 20:27:44 <andythenorth> good idea 20:28:01 <frosch123> you have a and mask of zero 20:28:02 <andythenorth> ^^ in the pastebin code, we want to look in register 01 20:28:48 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:50 <frosch123> and you seem to mix word and dword access 20:29:22 <frosch123> so to read you need something like 7c 01 20 \dxffffffff 20:29:32 <frosch123> \sto 1A 00 \dx100 20:30:29 <MyCatVerbs> frosch123: What's the significance of the 0x20 there, please? 20:30:50 <frosch123> it says there will me another instruction 20:31:18 <MyCatVerbs> Thank you very much. 20:31:35 <andythenorth> thanks 20:31:35 <MyCatVerbs> Sorry for bugging you with unusually newb-ish questions; I'm learning all of this for the first time. 20:32:03 <andythenorth> I now have some debug info in the industry window. Things start to look a little saner 20:32:04 <frosch123> yeah, i did not see you here yet, at least not with this nick :) 20:32:40 <andythenorth> the debug helpfully tells us that either: 20:32:49 <frosch123> andythenorth: next exercise: also print register 02 in the same text 20:32:50 <andythenorth> 1. we have not successfully stuck something into persistent storage 20:33:07 <andythenorth> or 2: we have not read the correct register :| 20:33:46 <andythenorth> frosch123: lets take your challenge 20:33:55 <andythenorth> we happen to need to anyway, as there are 3 values to debug 20:34:01 <planetmaker> how do I create a patch from a mercurial repository which can be fed to tortoiseSVN? 20:34:15 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:16 <planetmaker> assuming the typical dumb tortoise user as they roam the forums 20:35:01 <planetmaker> obviously tortoise seems to be unable to read both -p1 and -p0 patches which I manage to create... 20:35:07 <MyCatVerbs> frosch123: Oh, I've been here a while, but only lurking. 20:35:14 <frosch123> planetmaker: sed '/^\(+++\|---\)/ s/[ab]\///' 20:35:28 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, I posted a patch using that expression on the hg patch 20:35:42 <planetmaker> converting it to a -p0 one. But he tells me that it doesn't work 20:35:52 <planetmaker> Is my assumption correct that he is too stupid? Or is it still the patch? 20:36:01 <frosch123> then try unix2dos dos2unix etc 20:36:13 <planetmaker> hm... might be an issue. I'll try. TY 20:37:17 <planetmaker> or is there a patch tool for windows which could be recommended which doesn't act up? 20:38:03 <Rubidium> wubi :) 20:38:19 <Prof_Frink> Rubidium: I was going to say that 20:38:37 <Alberth> planetmaker: --- /dev/null (at line 2) might also be a problem. 20:39:00 <planetmaker> he... but how could that be resolved? 20:39:01 <Alberth> it seems safe to throw away that whole file .hgtags :) 20:39:08 <planetmaker> :-) 20:39:27 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF935B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:40:17 <Alberth> there are more unfortunately, not sure what (tortoise)svn does with new files. 20:41:28 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc210.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:41:57 <frosch123> too bad, there is still no seconds part of m4nfo 20:42:48 <planetmaker> hehe. 20:43:24 <planetmaker> Alberth: I'll see. I gave him the file with windoze line endings now. Would be a shame if there's really no way... 20:44:24 <Alberth> a safe way would be to supply the new files separately, is a lot of hassle though. 20:44:42 <andythenorth> frosch123: I now have two debug values in the industry window 20:44:49 <andythenorth> both are 'wrong' :D 20:45:10 <Alberth> the original patch format did not support new files not removal of files, and we are still stuck with it :( 20:45:11 <frosch123> at least different from zero? 20:45:36 <andythenorth> nope they are zero 20:45:41 <Alberth> s/not removal/nor removal/ 20:45:43 <andythenorth> but that might be 'correct' 20:46:11 <planetmaker> he... that's just too bad. I mean... the unix patch binary accepts basically every patch format 20:46:35 <planetmaker> I haven't encountered yet a patch posted in tt-forums or received via other means here which I couldn't apply 20:46:52 <planetmaker> why doesn't that work for windoze? 20:47:22 <planetmaker> of course I have to know or try whether to use -p1 or -p0... but alas 20:47:24 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:26 <Rubidium> because it *is* windows 20:47:36 <planetmaker> :-P I guess :S 20:48:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 20:48:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: i hope you examined your advvaract2 already with grf2html :) 20:48:53 <andythenorth> not yet :D 20:51:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-62.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:51:33 <Zuu> planetmaker: Because linux is by hackers for hackers? 20:51:54 <frosch123> no, that would be gentoo 20:52:03 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: lfs. 20:52:20 <frosch123> ok, i have no idea, i am not hacker enough :) 20:52:37 <Zuu> Oh, but at least linux users at least used to be more competent. 20:52:54 <Zuu> But lately I wonder if that is true anymore.. 20:53:05 <planetmaker> Zuu: but my mac undertands it, too ;-) 20:53:29 <Alberth> Zuu: you can always switch to OpenBSD :D 20:53:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:43 <Zuu> Gnu patch exist for Windows, not sure if there are any problems with it. 20:54:14 <andythenorth> my grf2html is sulking 20:54:18 <Zuu> I found it on my computer when I was looking for somewhere to put a bat file in %PATH% without adding even more stuff into %PATH%. 20:54:24 <Alberth> Zuu: ieks, a command-line program, now I have to think what to type ;) 20:54:52 <Zuu> Alberth: Exactly. :-p 20:55:28 <Alberth> and worse, understand what I am doing :p 20:55:54 <Zuu> It is quite intreseting to use the cygwin tools from cmd, since the built in windows tools use backslashes but the gnu tools want forward slashes in file paths. :-) 20:57:07 * Alberth never bothered to work with windows, bought my first PC so I could run Linux :) 20:57:37 <Zuu> hehe 20:58:08 <frosch123> Zuu: i thought recent windoze can also deal with / 20:58:25 <Zuu> frosch123: Sometimes they do. 20:58:28 <Sacro> yes, / maps to c:\ 20:59:05 <frosch123> oh, "c:", i forgot a lot ... 20:59:06 <Zuu> Using / in paths in C++ programs seams to work. At least when SDL is used. 21:00:04 <andythenorth> <MyCatVerbs> has working grf2html :P 21:00:09 <andythenorth> but not a working httpd 21:00:14 <Alberth> frosch123: like anybody has any other drive than c: :) 21:00:42 <Zuu> Doesn't it usually refer to the drive you are at. 21:00:44 <frosch123> i always wondered what happened when you install 4 floppies 21:00:50 *** _LN is now known as _ln 21:01:06 <Zuu> If I am at H: then / or \ refer to H:\ 21:01:15 <frosch123> but i guess readches l: or o: in the end 21:01:39 <frosch123> *reached 21:02:31 <Alberth> I once swapped foreground and background colours. So much fun, about 2/3 of the apps became non-usable due to hardcoded colours that they used :p 21:02:33 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: Get some lots-in-one memory card readers and a USB hub 21:03:38 <frosch123> no, only 2 usb sticks, 2 cdrom and 3/2 floppy, the rest were partitions 21:04:46 <Prof_Frink> XP certainly handles 4-in-1 readers interestingly. Finds the first free letter after C: and takes that and the following 3. 21:04:59 <Prof_Frink> Even if some of those are already used. 21:05:14 <frosch123> (the stupid mainboard can only drive one floppy, so i had to install a switch into the cable that turns the fibers 21:08:22 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:10:19 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has joined #openttd 21:10:33 <frosch123> hmm, there was no language update today 21:10:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-75fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:13:55 *** welshdragon is now known as XeryusTC 21:14:14 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:14:24 *** XeryusTC [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 21:16:17 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 21:16:23 <Rubidium> frosch123: yeah, lazy translators 21:16:27 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db004b0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:16:48 <frosch123> @seen petert 21:16:48 <DorpsGek> frosch123: petert was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 6 hours, 59 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <PeterT> they don't access that forum 21:17:37 <Alberth> frosch123: you can remove a few {skip} from the autoreplace window if you like :p 21:18:29 <frosch123> well, sed is my favorite language, but that won't cause work for translators, would it? 21:19:03 <Alberth> it is a language update to some extent :) 21:20:33 <Sacro> http://www.burgerkingjapan.co.jp/news/win7.php 21:22:09 <Rubidium> right... 21:22:18 <Rubidium> is that with teriyaki sauce? 21:26:19 <Sacro> might be 21:27:40 <Prof_Frink> Pterodactyl sauce. 21:29:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of which, how did you get away with making all "p" in greek-derived words silent? 21:32:00 <Rubidium> because unlike most languages English doesn't change spelling based on the evolution on how the words are pronounced (e.g. knight) 21:33:26 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: English doesn't have rules. It has exceptions. 21:36:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.89.41] has joined #openttd 21:37:17 * SmatZ decided not to eat until he gets under 88kgs... oh my stomach hurts :-x 21:38:33 <frosch123> how much did you eat today? 5 plates of cake? 21:38:35 <andythenorth> grf2html disapproves of my code 21:38:38 <andythenorth> so does nfo-renum 21:38:43 <andythenorth> so does OpenTTD 21:38:45 <andythenorth> :| 21:38:57 <Sacro> sigh 21:38:59 <Sacro> why can't people realise 21:39:00 <Sacro> the only way to get rid of fascists is to stop being one 21:39:25 <andythenorth> Sacro: watching question time? 21:39:34 <Sacro> andythenorth: yes 21:39:45 <SmatZ> frosch123: as usual, except I had yoghurt instead of regular dinner... though inspired by you, sport would be great for me :) 21:39:47 <andythenorth> I can't, no TV (my house is a building site) 21:39:48 <Sacro> more pissed off that radio 5 couldn't broadcast from our Uni because of the no platform policy 21:40:01 <Sacro> andythenorth: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/watchlive/ 21:40:24 <frosch123> well, i guess iwth 88 kg i would consider myself underweighted :) 21:41:13 <SmatZ> hehe :) 21:41:44 <Rubidium> ghehehe... not eating to lose weight... works really well, till you start eating again and your body is going to transform as much of the energy intake into fat as reserve for the next time you're 'forgetting' to eat 21:42:32 <SmatZ> hehe, yeah :( 21:43:39 *** Petert [~Petert@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:54 *** Petert [~Petert@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [] 21:44:19 <frosch123> increase muscle weight to increase running cost 21:44:43 <frosch123> e.g. use a keyboard with hard keys or so 21:44:45 <SmatZ> :-D 21:46:16 <Prof_Frink> Or haul yourself up by your fingertips repeatedly 21:48:22 <frosch123> part 2 \o/ 21:53:17 <frosch123> night 21:53:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc8fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CBF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:01 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:43 *** MizardX- [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:08:12 *** MizardX [MizardX@h-28-236.A159.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:13 *** MizardX- is now known as MizardX 22:08:53 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 22:09:14 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:16:34 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.156.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:50 *** Xtreme_Great [~xtreme@122.168.71.43] has joined #openttd 22:24:14 <Terkhen> good night 22:24:16 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@118.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:33:38 *** orudge is now known as Guest152 22:33:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.89.41] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:36:31 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g227024083.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:37:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF935B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.85.61] has joined #openttd 22:43:45 *** welshdragonmob [~welshdrag@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** welshdragonmob [~welshdrag@147.143.254.214] has left #openttd [] 22:44:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051195218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:05 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:55:21 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDF9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: May the schwartz be with you! 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