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07:23:02 <George> // drop parameter to 0 if difficulty level is hard 07:23:02 <George> 22 * 9 07 A2 04 ! 02 00 00 00 01 07:23:02 <George> 23 * 9 0D 00 \D= FF FF 00 00 00 00 07:23:46 <George> I start a game with parameter 15 on hard settings, save the game, load it, and get the value of 15 07:24:55 <George> While the code should (if I'm not mistaken) drop it to 0 07:26:05 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [] 07:26:23 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> is it 0 before the save? 07:30:15 <Eddi|zuHause> and who ever plays with the default difficulty settings? 07:46:08 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:46:08 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:54:03 *** George3 is now known as George 08:12:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:17 *** SirSquid1ess [~sirsquidn@169.054.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:39:43 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.161.132.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 08:48:33 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 08:49:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.161.132.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:27 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:02 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:24 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:11:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r18203 /trunk/src/widget_type.h: -Codechange (r18092): Remove DisplayFlags enum of old widgets. 10:12:01 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:18 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@238.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:20:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.203.164] has joined #openttd 10:26:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.203.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:24 *** Xaroth_ is now known as Xaroth 10:35:43 *** alligator [~alligator@c-d27472d5.018-94-73746f23.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:36:42 <alligator> why can't i see new trains ? it said a new electric train is avable 10:37:13 <Rubidium> because an electric train requires electrification 10:37:59 <Rubidium> i.e. click on the rail button on the main toolbar, keep it press, and select 'electrified railway' 10:38:12 <Rubidium> then build a depot and build the electric train 10:39:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a61.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:38 <Alberth> don't forget to electrify the tracks as well 10:41:28 <alligator> aha thanks ! :) 10:43:36 <Alberth> the 'convert tracks' button is very handy for that :) 10:52:21 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEc496.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:22 *** The_Exile [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:58:03 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB123.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:05:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:09:51 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:13 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:57 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:19:02 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 11:28:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a61.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:54 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c716.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:52:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@238.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 12:07:35 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:13:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has joined #openttd 12:27:11 *** alligator [~alligator@c-d27472d5.018-94-73746f23.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:39:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18204 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: introduce a type for Ticks and use it; furthermore document some related variables/functions 12:45:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18205 /trunk/src/timetable_gui.cpp: -Codechange: unduplicate some code 12:56:20 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:57:54 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@56.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7a61.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:01:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@89.240.73.88] has joined #openttd 13:08:59 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.153.95] has joined #openttd 13:14:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:11a0:94fe:bb70:867d] has joined #openttd 13:14:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:15:20 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DCFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:45 <Fast2> Hello 13:19:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.153.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:03 <Fast2> I have a problem: I can't close the map window because the close-button is behind the upper bar and the resize butt?n behind the lower... 13:23:01 <Brianetta> Fast2: Press backspace 13:23:27 <Brianetta> or possibly delete 13:23:37 <Fast2> Ah, thanks :) 13:23:41 * roboboy pokes his head in 13:23:56 <Brianetta> Some windows have a pin button 13:24:00 <Brianetta> that stops that key closing them 13:24:09 <Brianetta> using shift as well, will close all pinned windows too 13:24:15 <roboboy> can I run openttd without any original TTD files? 13:24:22 <Brianetta> roboboy: Not yet 13:24:39 <Brianetta> well, you probably could if you didn't mind a silent experience 13:24:43 <roboboy> so I still need samle.cat? 13:24:51 <roboboy> ok so it isnt required 13:24:53 <Brianetta> The file needs to exist 13:24:59 <roboboy> ok 13:25:01 <Brianetta> but it can be 0 bytes long 13:25:44 <roboboy> ive never goten it to work reliably using the DOS original files so I may try just a blank sample.cat 13:25:50 <Alberth> Fast2: there was no piece of the title bar visible any more? 13:26:04 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.86.233.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:22 <Fast2> Brianetta: Ah, I wondered for what this button was made. 13:26:30 <Fast2> Alberth: No 13:26:47 <roboboy> thankyou 13:26:51 <roboboy> gnight 13:27:11 *** roboboy is now known as robobed 13:27:36 <Alberth> Fast2: Oh you are playing a 0.7.x version? 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Its' a bug? Should I report it at http://bugs.openttd.org/ & 16:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like it is... 16:07:09 <Rubidium> I see no reason why the code would be wrong 16:07:37 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 16:07:47 <Rubidium> (the code in OpenTTD) 16:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> your list is backwards, though. 1 == squared map, 0x22 (=34) means smaller edge=2/larger edge=2, 0x22 (=34) means map_x=2/map_y=2, 4 means map_x+map_y=4 16:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause> the map_* must be +6 16:09:22 <George> Do I need to provide a grf for tests? 16:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, if possible, always do provide a test grf 16:10:22 <Rubidium> ah... 16:10:49 * Eddi|zuHause sees a light bulb over Rubidium's head 16:10:56 <Rubidium> the map is initialised *after* the NewGRFs are loaded 16:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a funny bug to resolve ;) 16:12:23 * Rubidium blames whoever tested Belugas' feature 16:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Bjarni is always a good candidate for blame 16:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause> or in lack thereof, Sacro ;) 16:13:42 <George> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3324 16:17:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.203.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:15 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs3324.diff <- no idea whether that'll properly work, but on the 'bright' side when loading a savegame the NewGRFs aren't known at InitializeGame either 16:18:54 <Rubidium> hmm, guess not 16:20:20 <frosch123> so, George, does it work when loading a savegame? 16:20:44 <Rubidium> new diff with a better chance of working 16:23:04 <frosch123> Rubidium: does loading savegames still work then? 16:23:33 <Rubidium> frosch123: what changes for loading savegames with that code? 16:23:48 <frosch123> - SetObjectToPlace(SPR_CURSOR_ZZZ, PAL_NONE, HT_NONE, WC_MAIN_WINDOW, 0); <- that one is removed 16:24:10 <Rubidium> besides not showing the Zzz between the redraw after starting before finishing loading the savegame 16:24:58 <Rubidium> 2, 32, 2, 0 16:26:29 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:01 <George> frosch123: No. It is always 4,34,34,1 16:31:41 <George> I mean in r18200 16:32:13 <frosch123> Rubidium: i cannot find anything in Initialise that depends on newgrfs, so should be fine :) 16:32:20 <George> Can't save about your diff, because I do not compile exe 16:32:47 <George> But if you would provide win32 executable, I can test ti 16:36:56 *** lible [~lible@194.204.53.93] has joined #openttd 16:36:59 <TrueBrain> where is that virus with a .exe executable ..... :p 16:37:20 <Rubidium> for what it's worth: if you save the game and load it the numbers are okay 16:37:29 <TrueBrain> s/executable/extension/ 16:39:44 <George> Rubidium: - yes, I made a wrong test. After save-load values are correct 16:39:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18207 /trunk/src/ (genworld.cpp misc.cpp): -Fix [FS#3324] (r11961): [NewGRF] When starting a new game the values of action D variable 13 were incorrect 16:42:06 <George> Rubidium: thank you 16:50:17 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:10:09 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:50 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18208 /trunk/src/misc_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3321]: in some cases the size of the land information window wasn't properly calculated 17:23:09 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:14 <planetmaker> @base 16 10 B51 17:42:14 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2897 17:42:48 <fonsinchen> For diagonal levelling and drawing I need to find out about the current "action" in order to decide if the tile selection should be updated orthogonally or diagonally ... 17:43:21 <fonsinchen> The optimal solution would probably be checking _place_proc, but the procs are all static and correctly so 17:44:02 <fonsinchen> Would it be hackish to check the cursor icon instead? 17:44:36 <fonsinchen> Like _cursor.sprite == SPR_CURSOR_LEVEL_LAND means user is levelling land. 17:45:41 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.203.164] has joined #openttd 17:47:49 <fonsinchen> The previous method is checking _thd.select_proc, but that's ambigous as each of the select procs are used by multiple tools. 17:54:34 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:55:50 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:04 <frosch123> aren't there already some flags to restrict selection to 1x1, 1xn / nx1, nxm ? 18:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i'd say it needs passing as a parameter 18:05:43 <frosch123> (e.g. autorail, non-autorail, autoroad, canal) 18:07:52 <fonsinchen> You mean those HT_RECT, HT_POINT and so on? 18:08:05 <fonsinchen> Dragging always uses HT_SPECIAL ... 18:08:17 <fonsinchen> along with some other actions. 18:09:26 <fonsinchen> HT_RECT is only for placing things. Also those are highlight types. The same highlight could be used for several actions 18:09:38 <fonsinchen> some of which don't support diagonal dragging. 18:11:24 <fonsinchen> I've put the DraggingDiagonal method into terraform_gui.cpp now. Like this I can actually compare _place_proc with the various PlaceProc_* there. 18:12:11 <fonsinchen> It's like querying the terraform window "does your action support diagonal dragging right now?" 18:12:23 <fonsinchen> Also not very nice, but better than before. 18:18:39 <George> Wiki sais: Action 0 for industries. Probability in random game (17), Probability during gameplay (18) 18:19:29 *** fanioz [~fanio_zil@125.164.230.25] has joined #openttd 18:19:35 <George> Do OTTD take map size into account when new indusry appear? 18:20:17 <George> I mean, should GRF increase Prop 18 for larger maps, or do OTTD does it itself? 18:21:38 <Rubidium> yes, no (unless you want relatively even more industry in larger maps) 18:23:48 <George> Rubidium: so, if I want the same probability per tile, I should not change the value, OTTD will increase the probability as much as more tiles are represented on the map? 18:23:54 <frosch123> isn't that only a relative probability? 18:24:27 <George> So, on 512x512 map ther would be generated 4 more time industries, than on 256x256 map? 18:25:13 <Rubidium> yes-ish, though in reality actually a bit more because with a bigger map there is a bigger chance to find a spot for the industries 18:25:21 <frosch123> iirc. on 256x256 maps ottd tries to build one industry per month, on 512x512 4 per month. property 18 only affects which industry is tried 18:25:55 <frosch123> the location restrictions are then the most important factor how many industries actually appear 18:27:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.109.126.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:57 <frosch123> in other words, george, if you double property 18 of all industries, nothing changes 18:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> IMHO, larger maps should get relatively _less_ industries (i.e. on average larger distances 18:29:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: use a NewGRF that limits industries to 1 per map :) 18:29:34 <George> frosch123> on 256x256 maps ottd tries to build one industry per month, on 512x512 4 per month - this is the answer 18:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, something like that... especially with more industry types (ECS Vectors, FIRS), there are way too many industries on a large map 18:30:36 <Rubidium> there're always too many or too little <whatever> 18:31:23 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but even on "very low" industries, people complain that there are way too many 18:31:27 <frosch123> George: actually it tries building a industry only with a chance of 3% 18:32:13 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: so 3% per month that an industry is built, and then prop 18 to decide which industry? 18:33:07 <frosch123> on 256x256 ottd does once a month something with a random industry. 3% for trying to create a random industry, 97% for doing a random production change (the non-monthly-but-more-randomcb) 18:33:42 <frosch123> on 512x512 maps the "once a month" changes to "once every 8 days or so" 18:33:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:34:14 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: yes 18:34:16 <asilv> does it try severeal times if it doesn't find suitable location first time? 18:34:29 <frosch123> several hundred times 18:34:31 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEc496.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:41 <frosch123> /* try to create 2000 times this industry */ 18:34:42 <frosch123> :) 18:35:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.109.126.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:37:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.142.145] has joined #openttd 18:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a short introduction to hg queues somewhere? 18:38:20 <frosch123> in the semi-official hg book 18:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause> do i have that installed somewhere? 18:39:26 <Ammler> http://hgbook.red-bean.com/ 18:39:49 <frosch123> yup, that one 18:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause> > ls /usr/share/doc/packages/mercurial/ 18:40:07 <Eddi|zuHause> CONTRIBUTORS COPYING README sample.hgrc 18:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> there obviously not... 18:40:48 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: then it would be official, wouldn't it? 18:43:03 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MqExtension ? 18:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... cutting and converting tv recordings is so tedious, i should just delete it and download the crap 18:44:01 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: do you ever watch them? 18:44:06 <frosch123> or do you sell them :p 18:44:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, no 18:44:52 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.142.145] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:36 *** fanioz [~fanio_zil@125.164.230.25] has left #openttd [] 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18209 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 7 changes by josesun 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Roujin 18:45:47 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 37 changes by fumantsu 18:45:49 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: indonesian - 4 changes by prof 18:45:49 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 18:53:05 <Alberth> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/MqTutorial seems better 18:53:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.144.196] has joined #openttd 19:03:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.203.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:59 *** tneo_ is now known as tneo 19:04:23 *** TAW_T-Bone [~TBone@85.149.200.158] has joined #openttd 19:04:40 <TAW_T-Bone> Hello 19:04:54 <TAW_T-Bone> anybody around willing to help me out 19:05:42 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 19:06:36 <Alberth> just ask a question, if somebody knows the answer, he/she will give it 19:07:22 <TAW_T-Bone> ok i got vista 64 how can i install a full version of TTD 19:07:53 <Alberth> OpenTTD I hope :) 19:08:19 <TAW_T-Bone> well i still have a bought version from '95 here 19:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think you'll be able to play that 19:08:50 <TAW_T-Bone> but vista doesn't recognize it 19:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but you need to use that to get the data files (trg*.grf and sample.cat) 19:09:04 <TAW_T-Bone> so how do i then play ottd 19:09:06 <Alberth> download a stable OpenTTD version, and install together with the TTD files 19:09:34 <frosch123> TAW_T-Bone: http://wiki.openttd.org/Installation 19:09:59 <TAW_T-Bone> lol - i have been searching the wiki and found nothing 19:10:05 <TAW_T-Bone> thatnks 19:10:46 <Alberth> wiki is full of nice surprises :) 19:13:48 <TAW_T-Bone> running 19:13:56 <TAW_T-Bone> nice thx 19:14:06 <Alberth> enjoy 19:14:48 <TAW_T-Bone> thanks i will again 19:14:52 <TAW_T-Bone> as ever 19:16:42 <TAW_T-Bone> ohh can i use the opengfx pack in my version 19:16:55 <TAW_T-Bone> and will this better the gfx's 19:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and imho no. 19:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you can get opengfx via the ingame content downloader 19:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and switch between them in the settings dialog 19:23:00 <TAW_T-Bone> ok thanks 19:37:13 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:39:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.144.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.41.1.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:37 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.41.1.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.34.65.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:54:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.203.164] has joined #openttd 20:03:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.34.65.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:27:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.203.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB123.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:24 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:42:07 <Fast2> Hello Nite_Owl 20:42:23 <Nite_Owl> Hello Fast2 20:43:11 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:03 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 21:05:07 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 21:15:23 *** TAW_T-Bone [~TBone@85.149.200.158] has left #openttd [] 21:16:54 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:33:47 <planetmaker> Hm... I don't quite understand the wiki: which stringIDs can I actually use in order to define names for houses? 21:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it was the 0Dxx ones 21:35:49 * petern grumbles at bluetooth 21:36:49 <planetmaker> hm... might give that a try. stringIDs are a pain... 21:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why don't you check an existing house grf, hoo they do ii? 21:39:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:44:12 <asilv> DCxx are what I have used 21:44:37 <asilv> for example: 21:44:38 <asilv> 2 * 14 04 48 FF 01 01 DC "Cottage" 00 21:46:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@89.240.73.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:37 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:38 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 21:52:42 <planetmaker> Thanks. I'll check it out :-) 21:52:46 <asilv> http://paste.openttd.org/218243 <--more human readable version 21:55:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@92.29.198.233] has joined #openttd 21:59:53 <planetmaker> hm... you used "feature" 48 instead of 07? 22:01:01 <asilv> i guess 07 would be more correct as the strings are only used for houses 22:01:56 <asilv> both seem to work 22:01:59 <planetmaker> I seem to have exactly that. Neither 07 nor 48 does work for me... 22:02:15 <asilv> hmm? 22:02:33 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/218244 22:03:45 <planetmaker> he... using FF instead of 7F does the trick 22:03:48 <frosch123> planetmaker: i guess you have to either use d9xx texts, or dcxx texts plus property 12 22:04:05 <planetmaker> frosch123: property 12 is being used, yes 22:04:29 <frosch123> oh, yes, you have to use ff 22:04:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:42 <frosch123> "80" means 16 bit textid, else only 8 22:04:42 <planetmaker> why actually? 22:04:52 <planetmaker> ah. Thx! 22:05:53 *** bb10 [~nnscript@d52172.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:03 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:06:33 <planetmaker> Cool guys. Now I have properly named buildings :-) 22:06:44 <planetmaker> (or at least the potential. And for translations as well) 22:07:54 <Noldo> what? 22:08:20 <planetmaker> comic style 22:09:57 <asilv> remember that you have to add 0x80 to language ids for translations too. (you propably figured this out yourself, but just in case...) 22:11:01 <planetmaker> asilv: yeah, I figured that now :-) 22:11:39 <planetmaker> But translations have to come later, but it's just a list of #defines which needs to be added and it's done. Now there's not much to translate so far, though 22:21:35 *** bb10 [~nnscript@62.140.137.38] has joined #openttd 22:22:01 *** bb10 [~nnscript@62.140.137.38] has quit [] 22:23:34 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:54 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:38:13 *** lible [~lible@194.204.53.93] has left #openttd [] 22:42:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@92.29.198.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@92.28.23.113] has joined #openttd 23:11:36 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:42 *** zodtttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:16 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:07 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:42 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:25 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:04 *** zodtttd is now known as zodttd 23:31:05 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo23.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:31:51 <Sacro> :o 23:31:56 <Sacro> Sprengmeister-Simulator 23:42:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@92.28.23.113] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:53:09 <_ln> Bitte? 23:55:01 <Sacro> sounds fun 23:55:07 <Sacro> shame I can't read german