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00:02:30 <Xaroth> resize the window from the top? 00:03:24 <Xaroth> or, run it from a cmd console? 00:03:56 <PeterT> Canont resize 00:04:11 <PeterT> Running it from a console doesn't show it in console, it just opens that window 00:04:24 <SmatZ> what answer do you expect? 00:04:26 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:53 <PeterT> Well, how do other windows users use the --help window 00:04:59 <SmatZ> it's a message box with information 00:05:38 *** FooBar [~FooBar@62.75.156.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:05 *** FooBar [~FooBar@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:06:36 <SmatZ> PeterT: when I run it under wine, I have no problems in fitting it to 1280x960 screen 00:06:52 <PeterT> You resized it? 00:07:53 <SmatZ> PeterT: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/help.png 00:08:17 <PeterT> So why can't mine do that? 00:08:41 <SmatZ> coz vista suxx 00:08:49 <PeterT> I agree 00:08:58 <SmatZ> I really don't know what should I answer :-p 00:10:03 <PeterT> Argh 00:10:16 <SmatZ> PeterT: your window isn't much bigger than mine, your screen is just too small 00:10:42 *** Aali_ [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 00:10:50 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:31 <PeterT> Is it dangerous to try to join a server with a modified build? 00:12:42 <PeterT> User build is modified 00:12:49 <SmatZ> it depends 00:13:04 <SmatZ> you computer may burn 00:13:11 <PeterT> I just patched r18279 with diaganol level and clear 00:13:13 <SmatZ> so yes, it is dangerous 00:13:27 <PeterT> and I did ./configure --revision=r18279 00:13:29 <SmatZ> don't try it, you will desync 00:13:42 <SmatZ> (nothing worse than desync can't usually happen) 00:13:48 <PeterT> Ok 00:13:53 <PeterT> Too late, sorry 00:13:58 <SmatZ> :-p 00:14:01 <PeterT> I'm already compiling 00:14:23 <PeterT> another question: why does each blitter needs it's own cpp file? 00:14:32 <SmatZ> you will desync/be kicked after using of those diagonal abilities 00:14:38 <SmatZ> why not? 00:14:43 <SmatZ> code readability 00:14:44 <PeterT> jw 00:14:45 <KenjiE20> why does anything? why not put openttd in one big cpp 00:14:46 <SmatZ> organisation 00:14:51 <KenjiE20> :P 00:14:51 <SmatZ> yeah 00:14:53 <SmatZ> :) 00:15:23 <PeterT> why not put openttd in one big cpp <--- good idea 00:16:04 <glx> some compilers may not like that 00:16:27 <glx> some compilers may do better optimisation too :) 00:16:46 <PeterT> Kenji/others: do you always go to bed at 12AM? 00:17:18 <KenjiE20> why not? 00:17:39 <glx> and 12AM was 1 hour ago 00:17:57 <PeterT> Well, Kenji lives in England 00:18:21 <PeterT> why not? <--- depends, when do you get up? 00:18:47 <KenjiE20> I get up when I get, why do you care? 00:19:29 <PeterT> Lucky... 00:23:28 <PeterT> @SmatZ: I just tested it, it worked 00:23:30 <PeterT> :) 00:24:00 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [Quit: I think Eoin's.. odd :( Jolteon, am I not right? 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Goodnight PeterT!] 00:25:30 <PeterT> @SmatZ: no desyncs either, I'm going to test some more 00:28:08 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 00:32:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:34:25 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:45:22 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 00:51:11 <PeterT> @calc 13.5*3 00:51:11 <DorpsGek> PeterT: 40.5 00:51:27 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@62.75.156.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:52:48 *** FooBar [~FooBar@mozart.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:03 *** Ammler [~ammler@openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:23 *** FooBar [~FooBar@62.75.156.9] has joined #openttd 00:59:25 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-171-246-68.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:00:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has 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is now known as bartavelle 09:08:34 <bartavelle> hello 09:12:00 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 09:31:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.142.32] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:39:39 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 09:46:38 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:08 *** dxtr [~dxtr@dxtr.cc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:05 *** Heinervdm [~thomas@pD9E15882.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:20:46 <Heinervdm> Hi, i'm packaging openttd for OpenEmbedded and for this i need to include a default config. Is there a place where i can place a default config? The user home isn't avaible at installtime... 10:22:14 <planetmaker> that depends on the OS 10:22:25 <planetmaker> readme section 4.2 has defaults 10:23:05 <planetmaker> also: a config is not needed. It will be created, if it doesn't exist 10:23:21 <planetmaker> Unless, of course, the defaults don't suit you 10:23:30 <SmatZ> I wonder what happens when a config is found, but user has no write rights in that file 10:23:44 <SmatZ> will that create one in his home? it's better to verify that 10:24:00 <planetmaker> :-) 10:24:03 <SmatZ> other way is to edit table/settings.h and change defaults there :) 10:24:23 <planetmaker> I dispise global install of games like this one. Having it local to the user is so much more convenient. 10:24:33 <SmatZ> yeah :) 10:24:40 <planetmaker> But then I'm grown up with MS-DOS and even saw windows < 3.0 in action 10:24:47 <SmatZ> hehe 10:25:30 <planetmaker> 20 frigging years ago :-O 10:26:05 <planetmaker> and flash my flash player increasingly uses CPU the longer it runs web radio :-( 10:26:07 <SmatZ> I saw some old windows ~15 years ago, on some 80286 ;) 10:26:10 <Noldo> I have to admit that 3.0 was the firt windows I used 10:26:16 <SmatZ> :-x 10:27:23 <planetmaker> yeah, 80286 was my first PC. MS-DOS 3.3 and my dad brought windows 2.7 or so 10:27:47 <SmatZ> the first windows I really used was 95... back then, I had computer just for playing DOS games (and some typing in DOS text editors and drawing in DOS programs) 10:28:13 <planetmaker> That computer had the same purpose for me ;-) 10:28:17 <SmatZ> hehe :-) 10:28:33 <planetmaker> MS Word 5.0 for DOS on 20 5.25" discs, 360kByte each :-P 10:28:36 <Heinervdm> planetmaker: Section 4.2 is about artwork files, is it the same for configs? 10:28:42 <SmatZ> 8-) 10:28:44 <planetmaker> Heinervdm: yes 10:28:50 <Heinervdm> planetmaker: ok, thx 10:28:50 <SmatZ> - If openttd.cfg is not found, then it will be created using the 2, 4, 1, 3, 5 order. 10:28:54 <SmatZ> there's that note ;) 10:29:14 <planetmaker> :-) ^ he knows it best, I guess ;-) 10:29:30 <SmatZ> nope, I don't :( 10:29:47 <SmatZ> I am sometimes surprised new openttd.cfg is created in my current working directory 10:29:52 <planetmaker> SmatZ needs to patch himself? ;-) 10:29:53 <SmatZ> even when one is in my home 10:30:09 <SmatZ> maybe some race condition between more openttd copies running 10:30:31 <planetmaker> hm... I never investigated that. But OpenTTD doesn't lock those files. Could it even? 10:31:00 <SmatZ> maybe it locks it during writing to config (exitting game) 10:31:22 <planetmaker> IIRC it first writes to a new file and then, when finished, overwrites 10:31:25 <SmatZ> or maybe even when reading it :) 10:31:35 <SmatZ> that's possible 10:31:59 <SmatZ> though I see no reason for that 10:32:05 <SmatZ> creating new temp file ans stuff... 10:32:08 <SmatZ> *and 10:32:14 <planetmaker> savety and working around flushes of FS 10:32:27 <planetmaker> e.g. no corruption, if power fault during write 10:32:39 <SmatZ> :) 10:33:34 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:34:05 <SmatZ> you are right, planetmaker, you know the code better than I :) 10:34:38 <planetmaker> nah. I just recall the commit message. And I remember as I'm still impressed what things one has to care about 10:36:18 <SmatZ> http://paste.openttd.org/218683 renaming a file - the windows and posix ways ;) 10:37:17 <planetmaker> :-O 10:37:40 * planetmaker for *some* reason prefers posix ways even more ;-) 10:37:51 *** Heinervdm [~thomas@pD9E15882.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 10:38:17 <SmatZ> :-) 10:38:37 <planetmaker> hm... the spam filter at paste.openttd.org is off again. 10:39:01 <SmatZ> :( 10:39:16 <SmatZ> it was probably inconvenient 10:39:28 <SmatZ> I think opendune crash reports contain http:// 10:39:35 <SmatZ> so one couldn't paste them 10:39:37 <SmatZ> or so 10:39:43 <planetmaker> possibly. Though it's easy to work around. Just paste, replace http:// by htp:// and be done 10:40:06 <planetmaker> but the browser has to support search & replace ;-) 10:40:30 <SmatZ> hehe :) 10:42:04 <planetmaker> hm... 15 percent points more CPU usage per hour... damn flash 10:42:09 * planetmaker kicks his flash install 10:43:12 <SmatZ> :-x 10:43:15 <SmatZ> interesting 10:44:20 <planetmaker> might be an FF issue, though 10:49:37 <planetmaker> @calc 112-15-63 10:49:37 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 34 10:59:06 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:11:47 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 11:26:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CDE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:56 <fjb> Moin. 11:36:37 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:40:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:44:31 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm186.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:46:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:52:54 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has quit [Quit: Bai] 12:01:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has joined #openttd 12:10:08 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 12:17:10 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:48 *** markj0nes [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has quit [Quit: Bai] 12:31:04 *** markj0nes [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has joined #openttd 12:31:16 *** markj0nes is now known as welshdragon 12:31:27 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:38 *** welshdragon [~mjones@147.143.254.247] has joined #openttd 12:31:54 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:35:29 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:41:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 12:42:12 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f647d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.195.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c94d:eeb2:8784:45b] has joined #openttd 12:44:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:48:13 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.226] has joined #openttd 12:50:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:50:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 12:52:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 13:03:00 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 13:09:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 13:09:26 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:14 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 13:20:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 13:21:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [] 13:22:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 13:27:03 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... this is hopeless... 13:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> where's the passenger reduction patch? 13:48:02 <planetmaker> it's available as newgrf 13:48:24 <planetmaker> or was it only reduced payment? Dunno 13:49:25 *** FauxFaux [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if it was a newgrf, it must be part of the house newgrf. only TTRS can modify TTRS houses, only swedish set can modify swedish houses, etc. 13:52:00 <planetmaker> in principle you could write a newgrf which changes that nevertheless. 13:52:23 <planetmaker> One newgrf can modify others 13:52:34 <planetmaker> but the newgrf I seemed to recall only changes payment 13:53:27 <planetmaker> you'll need to query the newgrf number and then change the properties for all action0 for pax/mail generation 13:53:56 <frosch123> planetmaker: nope 13:54:04 <planetmaker> nope? hm 13:54:49 <frosch123> you first have to extent feature 08 property 11 for houses 13:55:24 <planetmaker> he :-) 13:55:56 <frosch123> or was it eddi who missed those numbers? 13:56:01 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i never miss numbers... 13:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i possibly miss numb3rs, though, as it comes very irregularly... 13:57:21 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/lessstuff.diff <- try that one 13:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that looks close to what my last hack looked like in that direction ;) 13:58:27 <frosch123> :p 13:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> but i recall a patch that properly accounted for fractional values and stuff 14:00:41 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:02:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:03:58 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/lessstuff.diff <- more like that? 14:04:35 <Belugas> hello 14:04:51 <frosch123> hello belugas 14:08:18 <Eddi|zuHause> not exactly sure what that does.. 14:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'll go with the simple version for now ;) 14:08:54 <Belugas> mister frosch123 :) hello sir 14:08:58 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:09:02 *** Benny1 [~Benny@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 14:09:23 <Benny1> How do I change settings in a network game using rcon? 14:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> oooh... a rainbow 14:09:58 <Benny1> Doing rcon [PASSWORD] set [NAME OF SETTING] [VALUE] does not work. 14:10:15 <Rubidium> you need to quote the command 14:10:16 <frosch123> add " " around the command and its arguments 14:10:23 <Benny1> Oh.. 14:11:03 <glx> to be clear : rcon [PASSWORD] "set [NAME OF SETTING] [VALUE]" 14:13:06 <Benny1> Hm.. Tried it on network.autoclean_unprotected, and it does not output anything 14:13:24 <Benny1> I checked it afterwards; setting had not changed 14:14:28 <Benny1> Wait, the rcon pass was wrong... 14:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> err... i think my trams deadlocked... 14:17:05 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:17:44 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:20:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:23:24 <Benny1> Argh, now rcon pass is correct, but it still doesn't output anything. 14:24:09 <Benny1> I do rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies 1", but the value does not change. 14:26:24 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-15-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:26:40 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-15-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:09 <planetmaker> do: rcon passwd set "setting value" 14:30:55 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:19 <Benny1> Didn't work either.. O.O 14:31:23 <oskari89> !seen DanMacK 14:31:37 <oskari89> Blah, wrong channel :D 14:32:34 <Rubidium> Benny1: what version are you using? 14:33:12 <Benny1> Of OpenTTD? 14:33:17 <Benny1> 0.7.3 14:33:35 <PeterT> Benny1: What is the problem? 14:33:53 <Benny1> changing settings ingame 14:33:58 <PeterT> Oh 14:34:02 <PeterT> Like what kind? 14:34:12 <Benny1> (15:24:07) Benny: I do rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies 1", but the value does not change. <-- That's my problem 14:34:35 <PeterT> try setting instead of set 14:34:47 <Benny1> Done already 14:35:36 <PeterT> is the rcon password correct? 14:35:40 <Benny1> Yes. 14:36:02 <PeterT> Hmmm. 14:36:03 <Ammler> Benny1: "network."? (skip it) 14:36:19 <PeterT> yeah, you don't need all that 14:36:29 <PeterT> try autoclean_companies (1|0) 14:36:40 <Rubidium> rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies 1" is a right way to do it; just tested it and it works 14:36:54 <Rubidium> it just doesn't return anything on the console, but you can check by 14:37:07 <Rubidium> rcon [PASSWORD] "set network.autoclean_companies" whether it's turned on or off 14:37:22 <Rubidium> unless you're using the wrong password 14:38:08 <Ammler> ah network is the section, but it would work without too :-) 14:39:05 <Benny1> Fiiiinally worked :D 14:39:16 <Benny1> Thanks a bunch people :D 14:39:32 <Ammler> wrong rcon pw? 14:39:52 <PeterT> I think it has always worked, you just able to check whether it worked or not 14:40:06 <Benny1> You're both wrong. 14:40:37 <Benny1> I did check the settings after trying, and I tested the pass with another command. 14:40:57 <Benny1> Tested with rcon pass pause/unpause 14:41:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:41:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ahh... things are starting to look a lot better now... 14:42:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:42:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:03 <Ammler> Rubidium: Feature Request: do output something also when set a value, something like "<setting> set to <value>" 14:43:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 14:43:48 <Belugas> why not <ACK> ? 14:43:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:15 <Ammler> doesn't matter, just something :-) 14:44:17 <frosch123> just "k" 14:44:47 <planetmaker> but it would contradict the usual way a console works 14:44:58 <planetmaker> if it works, stay silent. Only complain on errors 14:44:58 <Rubidium> there's one slight issue with that... 14:45:37 <Rubidium> ... the rcon 'connection' is closed before it's handled async (CmdChangeSetting) 14:46:22 <planetmaker> how does it work then, if it's an error? 14:46:33 <Belugas> why change someting when it works as the dev intended it to? 14:46:47 <Rubidium> those are checks before the command is actually sent 14:47:00 <planetmaker> ah. client-side :-) I see 14:49:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:51:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:04 <Rubidium> hmm... the Germans have no 1 letter abbreviation for departure/arrival on their (real world) timetables? 14:53:08 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:53:57 <frosch123> departure and arrival are usually on two different "sheets" of paper 14:54:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:36 *** guru3_ [~guru3@78-105-161-85.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:55:43 <frosch123> but there are 2 letter abbreviations :p 14:57:11 <planetmaker> frosch123: I thought about 3-letter, but I don't find them attractive 14:57:31 <Rubidium> well, full isn't attractive at all right now :) 14:57:36 <planetmaker> besides I thought that we might take advantage of the new widget features ;-) 14:58:05 <frosch123> planetmaker: you should use "an" and "ab" 14:58:09 <Rubidium> ah well, it's just another proof that SETX should really really be avoided 14:58:16 <planetmaker> hm, true. I didn't think of those 14:58:31 <planetmaker> oh... I would have had to adjust that? 14:58:59 <frosch123> i am no translator 14:59:03 <planetmaker> :-P 14:59:16 <frosch123> (luckily :p) 15:00:16 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:06 <planetmaker> changed to An: and Ab: 15:01:34 <planetmaker> thx for notification 15:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> may i request lower case? 15:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> and without : 15:01:49 <frosch123> without colons :p 15:02:22 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:02:26 *** whatslife [~whatslife@213-35-231-135-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:02:28 <planetmaker> pfft 15:02:36 <whatslife> hey 15:02:48 <frosch123> "an" and "ab" are also the terms used by bahn.de 15:03:00 <planetmaker> yeah, you're right. 15:03:06 <whatslife> have quiestion, somebody knows about Transporter tycoon cheats ? 15:03:07 * planetmaker is the willing translation slave :-P 15:03:19 <frosch123> whatslife: ctrl+alt+c 15:03:23 <Rubidium> no need to change the translation now; it's going to be trashed anyway 15:03:23 <planetmaker> remote website form editing via IRC interface :-P 15:03:30 <planetmaker> hm? 15:03:33 <planetmaker> ok 15:03:53 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 15:04:00 <planetmaker> whatslife: of course no one. Unless you ask questions which are not meta questions 15:04:33 <whatslife> Frosch123 that dosent work... 15:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone ever noticed how the melody of "Katzenklo" and "Jingle Bells" are very much alike? 15:05:18 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 15:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> whatslife: then try holding the "win" key as well 15:05:42 <planetmaker> whatslife: talking original TTD or OpenTTD? 15:05:55 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cheat <- whatslife: then its your falt 15:05:59 <whatslife> delux 15:06:15 <planetmaker> then upgrade ;-) 15:06:32 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:45 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 15:08:02 <whatslife> what that ctrl+alt+c does ? 15:09:39 <planetmaker> maybe open the cheat window, eh? 15:10:11 <planetmaker> but we talk OpenTTD here. Not original TTD. Nor TT. 15:10:43 <whatslife> i dont have original :) 15:10:50 *** Mark__ [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:53 <planetmaker> nor do I. Nor do I have TTD 15:11:08 <whatslife> oukei 15:11:14 <planetmaker> maybe somewhere... but never started 15:11:22 <planetmaker> in the last 5 years at least 15:11:35 <whatslife> you play what version then ? 15:11:42 <whatslife> i playd one version lot years ago 15:11:44 <planetmaker> OpenTTD 15:12:13 <planetmaker> other versions are played in #tycoon 15:12:20 <whatslife> oukei 15:12:34 <whatslife> can i get openTTD with torrent ? 15:12:44 <planetmaker> you could simply download it... 15:12:52 <Chrill> whatslife, check www.openttd.org 15:12:56 <Chrill> click Download Stable 15:13:00 <Chrill> it's a perfectly usable .exe 15:13:22 * planetmaker wouldn't be able to use a .exe 15:13:36 *** Mark__ is now known as Mark 15:13:51 <whatslife> oukei 15:13:52 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:14 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:14:26 <PeterT> But you stilll need original graphics, unless you have them already 15:14:37 <PeterT> Or you can use the GFX Replacment project 15:14:54 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:14:55 <Chrill> then again, PeterT, those are downloadable as well 15:15:01 <PeterT> Yes 15:15:22 <whatslife> wow its estonian ? 15:16:01 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:42 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:17:09 *** Xaroth_ is now known as Xaroth 15:17:14 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18304 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: don't use SETX for the arrival/departure panel; some languages don't have short abbreviations :( 15:17:15 <whatslife> y guys 15:17:22 <whatslife> ty 15:17:28 <whatslife> am from estonia :) 15:17:33 <PeterT> Cool ;) 15:18:08 <whatslife> yeah 15:18:50 <Rubidium> planetmaker: now you can translate (again) 15:18:58 <planetmaker> :-) oki doki 15:19:26 *** whatslife [~whatslife@213-35-231-135-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 15:19:54 <planetmaker> so... frosch123 Eddi|zuHause : with those changes: still "an" and "ab" or the long version as before? 15:20:06 <planetmaker> Ammler: ^ 15:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: what's wrong with "an"/"ab"? 15:20:31 <planetmaker> nothing :-) 15:20:41 <Rubidium> mb might not agree with it? 15:21:00 <planetmaker> he even might 15:21:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't know why not... 15:21:18 <planetmaker> and even if ;-) 15:23:55 <planetmaker> sad thing is that your change is then - at least currently - unused ;-) 15:24:04 <Ammler> IMO, it is silly to use English for discussing German translation :-P 15:24:31 * planetmaker agrees ;-) 15:24:38 <Rubidium> well, start #openttd.de 15:24:42 * planetmaker does silly things from time to time 15:25:04 <planetmaker> dt = 0.001s 15:25:56 <Ammler> Rubidium: we once had a german channel (#tycoon.de), but wasn't really successful :-) 15:30:31 <frosch123> planetmaker: "an"/"ab" are far better :p 15:34:03 <planetmaker> already implemented in that fashion 15:45:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CDE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:31 <Benny1> How do I load a game with rcon then? 15:57:55 <Benny1> Or when launching openttd.exe with -D, both will work for me. 15:58:26 <Benny1> Wait, maybe I should look at the wiki first... Ignore me, please 15:59:05 <PeterT> launch openttd.exe --help 15:59:11 <PeterT> I think -v savegame 15:59:58 <KenjiE20> -v ? how do you spell load? 16:00:25 <Benny1> -l then? 16:00:28 <Benny1> no? 16:00:33 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-173-90.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:34 <KenjiE20> -g for game 16:01:10 <Rubidium> try -h 16:01:16 <PeterT> Hehe 16:01:36 <Fast2> Hello 16:02:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:50 <Benny1> -h doesn't say anything about loading games. 16:02:55 <PeterT> Benny1: -g [savegame] 16:03:00 <PeterT> and -G seed 16:03:10 <PeterT> you can use multiple parameters, too 16:03:28 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-146-158.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 16:03:32 <PeterT> What do you mean loading games? Loading a savegame? 16:03:36 <Benny1> So, openttd.exe -g "C:\NSB.sav" -D 16:03:39 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest251 16:03:41 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:03:41 <Benny1> Loading a savegame, yes 16:03:50 <PeterT> I would put -D first 16:03:57 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F722.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:03:59 <Benny1> Okay 16:04:01 <Fast2> Is there a way to prioritize a train over another in special cases? Example: I had built a station next to a sawmill. Then I had connected it with one near a forest for transporting wood. Now, I connected the other side with a station near a city for delivering goods. For this task I'm using another train. So I built two block signals, one on each side of the station beside the sawmill. Here... 16:04:03 <Fast2> ...a problem araised: If the sawmill doesn't get any wood, it won't produce goods, so the train is waits and blocks the station and no wood can be brought. I'm searching for a way to tell the train he schould wait in front of the signal when there aren't any goods to load, instead of blocking the station. 16:04:03 <PeterT> (I don't know if it matters, it just seems logical) 16:04:32 <PeterT> Conditional orders? 16:04:53 <PeterT> If load percentage = 0 goto waypoint "overload" 16:04:56 *** Guest251 [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:20 <Benny1> wat, server crashed.. >.< 16:05:39 <Benny1> File not readable? o.O 16:06:01 <planetmaker> Fast2: build two stations: one pickup, one drop. Or use waypoints and goto via 16:06:42 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:06:57 <Fast2> PeterT: At the beginning of loading, the load percentage is always 0 ;) 16:07:01 <PeterT> Benny1: put the savegame into your "save" directory, then try again, with -D -g [savegame] 16:07:08 <Benny1> okay 16:07:22 <PeterT> but don't insert a path, just the *.sav 16:07:34 <Fast2> planetmaker: That's one possible solution, but it's less interesting than mine ;) 16:08:15 <planetmaker> aha. Ok. But I wonder: why do you then ask? 16:08:28 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:56 <Fast2> <Fast2> Is there a way to prioritize a train over another in special cases? [...] 16:09:01 <planetmaker> you could also use trains of different lengths and use a train length sorter ;-) 16:09:21 <Benny1> Ah, it worked now. Thanks, Peter ;-) 16:09:44 <Fast2> What do you mean with the waypoints and goto via? 16:10:06 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejc230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:10:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:13 <Fast2> My track layout is: city ======= sawmill ====== forest 16:14:38 *** Benny1 [~Benny@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has left #openttd [] 16:15:07 <Fast2> planetmaker: Did you get my message? 16:15:44 <planetmaker> Fast2: have some station tracks available via waypoint1, others (or all) via waypoint2. Waypoint2 is for trains which drop wood. 16:16:08 <planetmaker> That way you make sure that you'll always have at least one lane free for drop, thus avoiding a station entirely blocked by pickup-trains 16:17:33 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:16 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18305 /trunk/src/ (toolbar_gui.cpp widgets/dropdown.cpp): -Codechange: Replace some 2s with WD_FRAMERECT_(LEFT|RIGHT). 16:18:26 <Fast2> My station is only one track broad and not a RoRo. (From the point of view of one single train) 16:18:38 <Fast2> So this won't work 16:18:59 <Fast2> But also a good idea :) 16:20:08 <planetmaker> roro is no requirement for my idea to work 16:20:32 <planetmaker> but at least two tracks wide station 16:21:10 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18306 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Remove the need for SETX from checkboxish menu items. 16:21:17 <Rubidium> or trickery with conditional orders 16:27:36 <planetmaker> there's somewhere an article about self-regulating orders around :-) 16:27:48 <Fast2> Rubidium: I didn't find the right one 16:27:51 <planetmaker> The orders list for all stations just wasn't feasable, though ;-) 16:28:24 <planetmaker> Fast2: "trickery" as the word. Not just "a not default order" ;-) 16:28:57 <planetmaker> But I find it difficult to find, but there might be an orders' solution 16:29:14 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 16:29:16 <Fast2> Oh, I missunderstood the word. Now I've looked it up... 16:29:47 *** Benny [~Benny@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18307 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Fix: some coding style. 16:38:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:29 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r18308 /trunk/src/toolbar_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use GetSpriteSize() instead of hardcoded width in dropdowns with company icon. 16:46:48 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/trickery.png <- that's what I meant with trickery 16:48:50 <Fast2> Hmmm, I remove the "load until full" (translated) flag, then check if it's full. In case it's true, it drives back to the city, otherwise it waits on a holding siding and tries to get back on the station again. The signal is going to force it to wait untill the station is free, then it can load :) 16:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so... since planes didn't really cut it: my new high speed rail line www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Paderborn%20Transport,%203.%20Feb%201992.png 16:50:10 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 16:50:46 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 16:50:54 <Fast2> Rubidium: It's lind of you to keep thinking about my problem, but it seems like I got a solution by myself. (Almost the same :D ) 16:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> now i "just" need to figure out how to connect it to the main station, which is a terminal station towards sea-side... so i must go through the city somehow 16:51:49 <Fast2> *lind|kind 16:51:51 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:52:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: distant join? 16:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no... that's cheating ;) 16:52:53 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 16:53:07 <Fast2> Rubidium: I put your solution to the bookmarks. Thanks 16:53:25 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: tram connection :p 16:53:32 <Rubidium> ships! 16:53:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, certainly ;) 16:53:42 <Fast2> Planes! 16:54:51 <Rubidium> no planes; ships are very good for high volume, low space situations. You only need 2 station tiles for a station with capacity of 5000+ ships 16:55:54 <Rubidium> hmmm and Eddi|zuHause has ITiM, so he can schedule (space) them nicely 16:59:27 <planetmaker> you need "signals on bridges", Eddi|zuHause 17:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i need more things on bridges... but signals i do not, in this case... 17:00:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a way longer tunnel on the other line 17:01:48 <Rubidium> nah, we need ETCS level 3 :) 17:02:04 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:05 <PeterT> How do you make an installer? I tried running build_installers.bat but It didn't seem to work 17:03:48 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:06:38 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:57 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-15-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:07:43 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db036dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:10 <fjb> ETCS? 17:10:53 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.142.250] has joined #openttd 17:11:04 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:21 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c371.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: new european stanard about signal-less signalling ;) 17:15:27 <fjb> Ah that. 17:18:04 <frosch123> european train collision system? 17:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that :p 17:19:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 17:20:08 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETCS 17:20:37 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:25:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE2A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:35 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c371.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:50 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:36:37 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-15-147.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:57 *** Peter_ [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:21 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:42 *** Peter_ is now known as PeterT 17:50:49 <Belugas> why can't i just sit quietly and eat my lunch without interruptions? 17:50:52 <Belugas> god damned... 17:51:41 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:52:44 <Alberth> lock the door, out the light out, don't read the irc 17:52:54 <Alberth> s/out /put / 17:53:08 <Alberth> and enjoy your lunch :) 18:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> turn off the cell phone! 18:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> and the neighbour's phone, just to be sure ;) 18:04:09 <Belugas> well... i'm in open area section :( 18:04:34 <Belugas> don't read irc? bad idea... well... when there is something to read anyway ;) 18:07:24 <Rubidium> one *very* smelly fart? 18:07:35 <Rubidium> and... have a nice lunch 18:07:55 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:12:15 *** Peter_ [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:11 <Rubidium> the kind that does: "sorry guys... I think a let another one like the 27th of November 2009", your colleagues: "oh, shoot... I'm late for this off-site meeting" 18:13:22 *** Peter_ [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:33 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:57 *** Ch0Hag [~mking@lego.monnsta.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:23 <Ch0Hag> Hmm. 18:19:24 <Ch0Hag> People. 18:21:26 <Alberth> where? 18:21:47 <Ch0Hag> Here, apparently. 18:22:15 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: make the late counter modulo the round trip time... 18:23:03 <Ch0Hag> Is it supposed to be nearly impossible to make a profit in the 1940s? 18:23:19 <Ch0Hag> Whether with buses or trains or a mixture, building maintenence always exceeds income. 18:23:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a train whose round trip time is 1:25h, and the lateness is 21:58h 18:23:37 <Ch0Hag> And I don't know if somebody just doesn't like the 40s or I have a bad combination of GRFs. 18:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Ch0Hag: you probably mixed newgrf sets 18:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Ch0Hag: sometimes, newgrf sets modify running cost of other newgrf sets 18:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Ch0Hag: if that is your problem, there is a solution for that in the newest nightly 18:30:18 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:26 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... this was the not-very-good kind of harddrive sound... 18:31:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:02 <Katje> I am getting confused by level crossings 18:34:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 18:34:15 <Katje> on the maglev 18:34:23 <Katje> the trains keep killing my buses... 18:36:22 <frosch123> build a bridge 18:37:00 <Ammler> or use pbs 18:37:27 <frosch123> or use ships :p 18:38:39 <Katje> you can build a brdige over road ? 18:39:25 <Ammler> why not? but pbs would work too, trust me ;-) 18:40:08 <Katje> pbs? 18:40:34 <Rubidium> Ammler: those things are call path signals 18:40:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:51 <Ammler> Rubidium: ps? 18:40:58 <Rubidium> Ammler: no, path signals 18:41:19 <Ammler> ok, liked to say that ps is the coop publicserver :-) 18:41:23 <Rubidium> do not expect everyone entering here to be aware of whatever nicknames things were given during development 18:41:45 <frosch123> Ammler: use #ps instead 18:41:45 *** Kami_Sama [~Kami_Sama@BAC16d0.bac.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:41:46 <Rubidium> same that people might not be aware what e.g. tl is 18:41:50 *** Kami_Sama [~Kami_Sama@BAC16d0.bac.pppool.de] has left #openttd [] 18:42:45 <Ammler> well, someone could wiki those things 18:43:20 <Belugas> [13:07] <@Rubidium> one *very* smelly fart? <-- nice idea :D noted! 18:45:34 <Katje> used a tunnel instead 18:45:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18309 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 44 changes by UnderwaterHesus 18:45:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 18 changes by glx 18:45:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 4 changes by planetmaker 18:45:52 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 31 changes by fumantsu 18:45:52 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 18 changes by alyr 18:49:12 *** GDF[ru] [~lehoslav@85.93.143.33] has joined #openttd 18:49:31 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ammler> well, someone could wiki those things <-- nobody reads a wiki, even if there were _useful_ information in there... 18:49:55 <Eddi|zuHause> don't have to put every slang expression in there... 18:50:10 <Ammler> well, pbs is there 19:06:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has joined #openttd 19:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and exactly 0% of the newbies know it... 19:12:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:48 *** GDF[ru] [~lehoslav@85.93.143.33] has quit [Quit: ...:: Ðóñèôèöèðîâàííûé mIRC 6.35 îò CrEmAtOrY ::... --» http://scriptpro.org.ru «---] 19:18:02 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 19:19:07 <frosch123> does the gnome terminal really have no tabs? 19:35:05 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@77-100-69-200.cable.ubr30.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 19:35:34 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@144.94.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:08 <Ch0Hag> Are the source install paths hard-coded somewhere? 19:42:08 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.142.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:53 <Alberth> usually specified by ./configure with a unix system 19:45:12 <Alberth> s/by/with/ 19:45:44 <Ch0Hag> ./configure seems to be odd. 19:45:48 <Ch0Hag> It didn't accept --help 19:46:04 <Eddi|zuHause> so... my network can barely handle a /4 reduced passenger load 19:46:05 <planetmaker> Alberth: both, with and by is correct IMO ;-) 19:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Ch0Hag: it used to... 19:46:40 <Alberth> ./configure --prefix=/path/to-where/you/want/the/binary 19:46:59 <Ch0Hag> Oh, no, it was --prefix it didn't like. 19:47:11 <Alberth> --help works here 19:47:26 <Ch0Hag> Excuse me a minute. SWMBO is being demanding. 19:47:44 <Alberth> you are right, it is --prefix-dir=dir apparently. 19:48:14 <PeterT> SWMBO? 19:48:28 <Alberth> planetmaker: I was not sure, with feeled better :) 19:48:54 <planetmaker> s/feeled/felt/ :-P 19:49:09 <Alberth> yeah, I was going to type that :) 19:49:10 <planetmaker> You specify the path with ./configure, but the work is done by configure 19:49:34 <planetmaker> s/with/with (the help of)/ 19:49:39 <Alberth> depends on what work you refer to 19:49:50 <Alberth> oh english lesson :) 19:50:04 <planetmaker> the action generation of the makefile commands :-) 19:50:18 * planetmaker his a part-time language correctness nazi :-P 19:50:53 <Alberth> every now and then is good :) 19:51:15 <planetmaker> he :-) 19:52:16 <Ch0Hag> She Who Must Be Obeyed. 19:53:15 <Ch0Hag> Bah. 19:53:22 <Ch0Hag> Who changed it from --prefix to --prefix-dir 19:53:36 <Ch0Hag> Someone at GNU trying to be clever probably. 19:54:27 <Alberth> don't know, perhaps someone at OpenTTD. I have never seen this before, really 19:54:56 <Alberth> but then again, you write a script for it and forget about it :p 19:55:00 <planetmaker> ./configure --help works here, btw 19:55:26 <Alberth> or alternatively, never bother to install 19:55:42 <planetmaker> ^^ I prefer that 19:56:15 <Alberth> if you build 20 versions a day, it is helpful :p 19:56:32 <planetmaker> and it doesn't even help, if you only have one :-P 19:56:41 <planetmaker> (and use your computer alone) 19:57:52 *** XSlicer [~XSlicer@dhcp-095-096-066-172.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:08 *** Glen_ [~chatzilla@client-82-2-86-233.manc.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:23 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:17 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:12:33 <Glen_> Hey 20:12:42 <PeterT> Hello 20:16:47 <Ch0Hag> I can't get music to work :( 20:17:00 <PeterT> What do you mean? 20:17:07 <Ch0Hag> Music. It doesn't work. 20:17:12 <PeterT> Have you put the music in the the /gm folder in your install folder? 20:17:19 <PeterT> (or the shared directory) 20:17:21 <Ch0Hag> Yes. 20:17:22 <PeterT> what OS do you have? 20:17:25 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 20:17:31 <Ch0Hag> Well - a bunch of symlinks to the windows files. 20:17:37 <Ch0Hag> Linux. 20:17:46 <PeterT> Oh, can't help you there 20:17:55 <petern> got a gm synth installed? 20:18:11 <petern> (or a midi port with a hw synth attached...) 20:18:11 <Ch0Hag> Probably not. 20:18:28 <Ch0Hag> I have a good sound card but midi has always been a PITA to configure. 20:19:13 <Ch0Hag> sw midi is probably easier. 20:19:15 <petern> sound card 'goodness' has little bearing on midi capabilities 20:19:55 <Ch0Hag> I mean it (supposedly) includes a hw synth. 20:20:44 <petern> emu10k1? 20:20:46 <Ch0Hag> I even got it to work once, long ago, and still have the sf2 file sitting around which I needed to load into it. 20:20:50 <Ch0Hag> Da. 20:21:06 <petern> asfxload sf2file 20:21:55 <Ch0Hag> Hmm well it's been a while. 20:21:59 <Ch0Hag> May as well give it another go. 20:22:44 <petern> install pmidi 20:25:00 <petern> export ALSA_OUTPUT_PORTS=`pmidi -l | awk '/Emu/ { print ; exit }'` 20:25:35 <petern> openttd -m extmidi:cmd=pmidi 20:25:54 <Ch0Hag> There are 4. 20:25:56 <Ch0Hag> I'll try them in turn. 20:26:09 <petern> 4 ports? 20:26:20 <petern> the command takes the first one 20:26:29 <petern> hmm, maybe i should wiki-ize that 20:26:32 <Ch0Hag> Oh yes it has an exit 20:27:17 <Ch0Hag> Bah! Of course there'll be no sound if the volume's down. 20:27:21 <petern> hehe 20:27:36 <petern> i use the old 8MBGMGS.SF2 20:27:38 <Ch0Hag> I got to the 3rd before I realised how dumb I was being. 20:27:45 <petern> (if i bother with music) 20:27:52 <Ch0Hag> I have 8mbgmsfx.sf2 20:27:55 <Ch0Hag> I think it came from Creative. 20:30:42 <petern> probably 20:31:10 <Ch0Hag> Ah yes! 20:31:12 <Ch0Hag> Cheesy music. 20:31:16 <petern> Oh yes :) 20:31:32 <Ch0Hag> I can't count the number of hours I spent listening to this all those years ago. 20:31:45 <Ch0Hag> Never with a bloody synth though. 20:31:58 <Ch0Hag> $rich_friend was the one who had that. 20:32:06 <Ch0Hag> Well - $spoilt_friend_with_rich_father 20:33:00 <Ch0Hag> Oh. How can you change all company livery in one goe? 20:33:12 <petern> poo, can't remember my wiki login :( 20:33:30 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 20:33:52 <Alberth> same as FS and translation manager 20:33:59 <Ch0Hag> FS? 20:34:07 <petern> i don't remember them either :D 20:34:11 <Alberth> Fly Spray our bug tracker 20:34:33 <petern> never had a translation account 20:34:55 <Alberth> neither have I, but mentioned it for completeness :) 20:35:15 <Alberth> Ch0Hag: http://bugs.openttd.org/ 20:35:28 <Ch0Hag> Ah. 20:35:33 <petern> and i login to svn via key 20:35:46 <Alberth> that's also another account afaik 20:35:57 <petern> it's merged 20:36:07 <Alberth> oh, I also use a key :) 20:36:39 <petern> hmm, okay 20:36:42 <petern> i can log into FS 20:36:45 <petern> but not wiki 20:36:55 <glx> you merged your accounts? 20:36:58 <petern> ages ago 20:37:31 <glx> then it should use the same login/password as wiki 20:37:35 <petern> yes 20:37:37 <petern> but it doesn't :) 20:37:51 <glx> ask TrueBrain then 20:39:03 <petern> cba, did it anonymously 20:39:12 *** gryph [~gryph@1503032393.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 20:40:48 <petern> hmm, fish is a bit unbalanced 20:41:20 <TrueBrain> User: peter1138; developer. Authorized to BaNaNaS, Translator (read-only), Frontpage, Bugs, Wiki and PAM-Web. Status: active 20:41:24 <petern> or not 20:41:25 <petern> hmm 20:41:40 <planetmaker> I guess andy will be greatful for suggestions on how to balance it better :-) 20:42:11 <petern> planetmaker, is the MPS Oil Tanker part of it? 20:43:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds more like an original ship 20:43:42 <petern> mmm 20:43:52 <petern> and it looks different... cos i'm using opengfx 20:43:57 <petern> but why is it there 20:44:42 <petern> maybe cos it's unfinished... 20:44:54 <planetmaker> petern: I have no idea actually. MPS oil tanker sounds original 20:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> grf conflict or grf bug? 20:45:23 <petern> MPS Passenger ferry and yate cargo ship are also available 20:48:21 <asilv> maybe fish uses ids above the defaul ones so the originals are not replaced? 20:48:53 <planetmaker> MPS is original 20:49:24 <planetmaker> or there's an activated engine pool and old ships not deactivated 20:50:30 <planetmaker> hm... now the ships don't scratch the edge of the build window anymore, but they cover their name text instead... 20:52:20 * SpComb just nuked his trg1r.grf 20:59:00 *** Elton09646 [~Delphi@189.82.201.55] has joined #openttd 21:03:45 *** Elton09646 [~Delphi@189.82.201.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.163.207] has joined #openttd 21:06:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.200.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 21:07:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@89.246.163.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:12 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:12:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:15 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:18:33 <planetmaker> it's not needed anyway ;-) 21:29:50 *** gryph [~gryph@1503032393.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:30:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 21:30:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:07 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-115-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:38:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:16 *** Sapakara [~chatzilla@84-245-33-124.dsl.cambrium.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:32 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@144.94.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:07 *** asilv [~asilvio@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe9afa00-232.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:56:36 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db036dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 22:01:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:06:45 <Belugas> zhome for ze veekend 22:06:48 <Belugas> you hou! 22:06:51 <Belugas> bye bye 22:07:53 <PeterT> bye Belugas 22:08:23 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f647d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has joined #openttd 22:23:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.16] has quit [] 22:24:40 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 22:26:42 <Terkhen> good night 22:26:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:27:10 <PeterT> He never stays long enough for me to say good night... 22:28:52 <Ch0Hag> Steam trains are slow. 22:33:38 <PeterT> Not slow enough 22:34:00 <Ch0Hag> No wonder the 40s sucked. 22:34:21 <Ch0Hag> Well that and the war. 22:41:55 <Fast2> Which parameters take part in the calculation of the money you get for delievering cargo? 22:42:21 <Fast2> *-e 22:42:42 *** Glen_ [~chatzilla@client-82-2-86-233.manc.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:49 <Fast2> *delivering|transporting 22:46:24 <Rubidium> see http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Delivery_payment_rates 22:48:32 <Fast2> Oh, sorry 22:55:08 *** Benny [~Benny@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> <Ch0Hag> No wonder the 40s sucked. <-- steam engines actually made up to 200km/h in that era... 23:03:12 <Ch0Hag> Yeah I was being facetious. 23:03:23 <Ch0Hag> And that's about all we manage now. 23:03:27 <fjb> And electric engines even more. 23:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of speed records from that time are actually still not broken by now 23:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (the "fastest scheduled train from X to Y" kind) 23:07:37 <_ln> i'm shocked, blu-rays are being released as not region locked by big studios in the US. 23:11:22 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:20:01 *** zachanima [~zach@50A2DB23.flatrate.dk] has joined #openttd 23:21:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:22:47 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 23:22:57 <SpComb> boosnap, cargodist crashes for me as soon as I try and build a station and select a platform count 23:23:19 <SpComb> is building stations an untested feature? :( 23:24:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FFA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:52 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2DB23.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DE2A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:38:55 <SpComb> ah, presumeably fixed later on in svn trunk 23:45:29 <PeterT> SpComb: Are you using my binary? 23:47:03 <SpComb> no, compiled myself using the 'current' patch 23:47:19 <SpComb> but it svn up'd just fine with only a conflict on the saveload version 23:51:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9EBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause> afair there was a commit about "platform numbers start with 1"