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00:09:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, wasn't there a function to easily switch between debug and release builds? when i "./configure --enable-debug [0-3]" it recompiles everything 00:19:29 <ashb> Eddi|zuHause: use separate directories 00:19:36 <ashb> mkdir debug; cd debug; ../configure .... 00:19:40 <Eddi|zuHause> ashb: that's not the point 00:19:47 <ashb> thats the solution 00:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not 00:20:02 <ashb> does it stop it from rebuilding everything? 00:20:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that was not the question 00:21:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the question was "did i misunderstand the feature or is it buggy?" 00:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> not "how can i solve it?" 00:21:45 <ashb> if its a standard autoconf script, then its neither really 00:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it is not. 00:22:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a homebrew makefile 00:22:13 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ./configure --enable-debug=0 vs --enable-debug=[1-3] are the separate cases 00:22:36 <Rubidium> where debug=0 builds into objs/release and the rest into objs/debug 00:23:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i thought that was exactly what i tried... 00:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'll try again when the compile is done 00:24:21 <Rubidium> probably you went from debuglevel 1 to 0 (which you didn't for a while, so it did recompile) then you went to 2 or 3 which meant full recompile 00:24:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2F8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:36 <Rubidium> anyhow, it works fine for me 00:26:40 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3B45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:26:43 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:28:06 <Rubidium> ashb: it isn't standard autoconf because we couldn't get that working with a Mac OS X cross compiler to get universal binaries 00:28:12 <ashb> ah 00:29:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BEDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:31 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F954.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:30:37 <Rubidium> and given that we're probably one of the first to create a cross compiler that makes working binaries it's not something where the autoconf people had worked on (http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/compile-farm/apple-darwin9.2008-09-17.txt) 00:32:22 <Rubidium> we spent way more time in that cross compiler than in the whole makefile stuff 00:32:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77517.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:36:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F060.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:07 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F954.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Realworld is calling.] 00:37:22 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485F954.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:37:40 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 00:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and look where it got you :p 00:40:33 <Eddi|zuHause> at the brink of mental breakdown :p 00:44:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:53 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-084-062-056-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:56 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 00:45:59 <rhaeder> hi all. :) I have trouble receiving the confirmation code on my server. I already white-listed your server's IP 00:48:15 <rhaeder> and where is the binary copied to when do a "make install" ? 00:48:40 <Rubidium> with confirmation code you mean getting a 'you're advertised' reply from advertise the master server? 00:49:05 <Rubidium> rhaeder: /usr/local/bin I think 00:49:24 <rhaeder> I have checked it, no openttd bin there :( 00:49:27 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fd2f1.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:36 <Rubidium> /usr/local/games/ maybe? 00:49:47 <rhaeder> ok, "install -m 0755 bin/openttd /usr/local/bin/" w/o the quotes does the trick :) 00:50:17 <rhaeder> yes, /usr/local/games :( but that is a directory only for data dirs and no bins 00:50:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-229-31.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:48 <rhaeder> I have Debian here, and all game binaries go to /usr/games/ 00:51:28 <rhaeder> or at least install a symbolic link in /usr/local/bin ? 00:52:10 <Rubidium> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#AEN1450 <- says /usr/local/games is for local game binaries 00:52:21 <rhaeder> ok 00:52:40 <rhaeder> anyway. I want to register my account because I have found a major bug in-game 00:53:05 <Rubidium> ah, so it's that kind of confirmation code 00:53:19 <rhaeder> and the AI for pathfinding (YADF or so?) is sometimes lame :( 00:53:49 <rhaeder> but that is another bug :) 00:54:09 <Rubidium> oh... just breached 5 million bananas downloads :) 00:54:19 <Rubidium> in less than a year 00:56:06 <Rubidium> anyhow, what's the major bug you found? 00:58:03 <rhaeder> lay out a track e.g. from coal mine to power plant. place needed block signals. let a train drive on it for some time. remove a track piece and re-add it. sometimes the train cannot ride on that replaced track :( 00:58:43 <rhaeder> I placed every 1 track piece a signal and let them ride right side (one-way signal) 00:59:04 <Rubidium> odd, a savegame would be very useful for that 00:59:39 <rhaeder> already killed, but I can play it again :) 01:00:20 <Rubidium> hmm, and what version of OpenTTD are you using? 01:00:35 <rhaeder> ah, the nightly back is running :) 01:00:38 <rhaeder> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=55 01:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it tends to do that at the most inappropriate times :p 01:01:25 <rhaeder> and have you found that 'bug' when there is a crossing and sometimes a car incident happens? 01:02:20 <rhaeder> well, because of I have block signals on every track piece, the cities nearby my tracks cannot cross my tracks without a bridge, so it is save for my road vehicles to cross :) 01:02:20 <Rubidium> use more reliable cars or slower trains or path signals with more distance between them so the crossing can actually close in time 01:02:21 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 01:02:43 <Rubidium> backup's done 01:03:30 <rhaeder> I have prevented this by adding block signals every north-south or east-west track so the city authorities are 'forced' to build bridges above my tracks :) 01:04:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 01:05:30 <rhaeder> and still no confirmation mail as arrived here :( 01:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm. it's totally odd, i went from --enable-debug 1 to --enable-debug 3, and it doesn't rebuild anything 01:05:56 <Rubidium> rhaeder: seem the (IRC) pm I sent you a while ago 01:07:57 <Rubidium> 2009-12-14 00:59:49 1NJxLG-0000L4-Pm == email@address R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-44): SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<email@address>: host mail.mxchange.org [217.172.186.31]: 450 4.1.7 <no-reply@openttd.org>: Sender address rejected: unverified address: host mx1.mailfiltering.nl[80.247.163.81] said: 451-4.7.1 Greylisted: http://projects.puremagic.com/greylisting/ 451 4.7.1 Please try again in 5.0 more minutes. (in reply to RCPT TO 01:08:12 <Rubidium> ^ it's not so strange you haven't received the mail yet when we're greylisted :) 01:09:05 <Rubidium> (for more than 2 hours) 01:13:57 <rhaeder> ok :) 01:14:11 <rhaeder> but I have already white-listed your server's IP? 01:15:20 <Rubidium> which one? 01:15:39 <Rubidium> the SPF record lists three 01:17:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B3B45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:26 <rhaeder> w.o. a savegame, it is maybe a bit hard: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3369 01:19:08 <rhaeder> the white-listed IP: http://pastebin.org/64508 01:19:22 <rhaeder> I have default GLD :) 01:19:29 <rhaeder> for Postfix 01:19:59 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 01:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, it's funny, the river drawing code works fine when i make an invalid slope into a river, except when i load a river newgrf... 01:21:17 <rhaeder> and for tt-forums.net: http://pastebin.org/64509 01:21:46 <Rubidium> you're not receiving a conformation for tt-forums.net either? 01:22:09 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: Maybe it doesn't find the matching sprite then. 01:22:26 <rhaeder> ah, that tt-forums.net welcome mail is here :) 01:22:40 <rhaeder> Rubidium: yes, now it is here 01:22:44 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: it asserts in a NOT_REACHED() in a check for slopes 01:23:19 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: It was just a guess. 01:23:33 <rhaeder> Rudidium: I will play more and drive it to its limits ;) 01:24:07 <Rubidium> rhaeder: that bug report is certainly missing what version of trunk it is and that savegame would be really really helpful because it behaves as expected for me 01:24:24 <rhaeder> SVN-HEAD :) 01:24:37 <Rubidium> that's totally different tomorrow 01:25:14 <Rubidium> and if you had posted a savegame I could've figured it our from that 01:25:22 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:28 <rhaeder> ok, how can I edit it? 01:25:32 <rhaeder> please don't delete :) 01:26:13 <rhaeder> added revision 01:26:37 <Rubidium> comments are usually enough :) 01:26:53 *** Strid__ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:27:59 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B35AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:28:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 01:28:35 <Eddi|zuHause> how can i add the river-random-bits in the query window? 01:29:08 <Rubidium> with lots of custom code; why do you want it there? 01:29:25 <Rubidium> otherwise a debug build ran from the console will show you what's on the map (including the random bits) 01:29:47 <Rubidium> or -d misc=1 IIRC 01:30:28 <rhaeder> LOOOOOL: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=85382 01:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, there 01:34:48 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:35:27 *** Risugami [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has quit [Quit: ????] 01:39:18 <rhaeder> and what is the earliest year? 01:42:02 <Rubidium> 0, but depending on the climate somewhere 1920-1950 01:42:21 <rhaeder> I have "normal" climate and can choose 1800 01:42:55 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah, i need to pay more attention to the nick, not only the colour... 01:43:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i always think some totally different person writes something 01:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and then wonder "why would HE ask that?" 01:43:32 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause, free tip: turn of colours 01:43:42 <Risugami> hmm hadn't noticed nick length is very long here 01:43:52 *** Risugami is now known as weaselboy246 01:44:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that's even worse ;) 01:45:10 <rhaeder> my nick is colored? 01:45:11 <Rubidium> depends on the debate whether blakc and white are colours 01:49:26 <fjb> Black and white are no colors. 01:50:51 <sparrL> Eddi|zuHause: how many colors does your client use? 01:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> 16, afair 01:51:01 <sparrL> mine does fg and bg with 7 colors each, so there are rarely collisions 01:51:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not enough 01:51:46 <sparrL> you are white on dark red 01:51:49 <sparrL> fjb is blue on grey 01:51:53 <sparrL> rhaeder is light blue on blue 01:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, no, it's 8 01:52:13 <sparrL> weaselboy246 and Rubidium are both light blue on white :( 01:52:22 <Rubidium> mine does only 1 colour; yellow for when I'm highlighted, otherwise when I say things white and for the rest grayish on a nice black background 01:52:38 <sparrL> oh, i remember using a client like that. unbearable 01:52:40 <weaselboy246> using XChat? 01:52:42 <fjb> Too many colors tend to make it unreadable (especially background colors). 01:52:54 <sparrL> fjb: i only color the nicks, not the chat 01:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, background colours are bad 01:53:10 <sparrL> someone say sparrL so i can screenshot :) 01:53:22 <weaselboy246> I use mIRC and have colors set to black normal user, navy voiced and blue op. white bg 01:53:36 <weaselboy246> orange for my own nick 01:54:23 <Rubidium> irssi + bitlbee + screen + ssh is more than enough 01:54:57 <sparrL> i can't stand console IRC... too much information to be conveyed 01:55:10 <weaselboy246> yea i like irssi for terminal use 01:57:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v Eddi|zuHause] by Rubidium 01:57:26 <Rubidium> and now weaselboy246 doesn't recognise Eddi anymore :) 01:58:40 <weaselboy246> lol. honestly since i got my new lcd monitor, navy and black show very little difference on here 01:59:49 <Rubidium> anyhow, even irssi on half screen shows more than enough for me 02:01:47 <sparrL> I haven't used irssi in a long time... generally when using console IRC, I miss having the channel and nick list on screen and activity indicators per channel and person 02:02:11 <KenjiE20|LT> try weechat then :) 02:02:49 <sparrL> i really like kvirc 02:03:14 <Rubidium> the nick list is usually longer than it can display anyway 02:03:33 <Rubidium> and activity indicators are given per channel (including PM 'channels') 02:04:23 <weaselboy246> just be sure to turn on windows 02:04:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 02:04:42 <weaselboy246> that way you can switch between windows with alt button 02:05:03 <weaselboy246> instead of everything in a single window 02:16:44 <rhaeder> another question: TTD doesn't have it, but OpenTTD does have a tender? for what is this for? lowering break-down chance? 02:17:34 <Rubidium> does nothing but look good 02:20:05 <rhaeder> ok :) 02:21:01 <weaselboy246> one of the train sets, forgot which, has steam engines with it built on. looks nice. 02:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> hm. i give up for today... it places rivers, but somehow they don't end up in the places they were generated at... 02:34:12 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 02:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause> and the "do not go uphill" part possibly needs work ;) 02:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> in theory it doesn't look bad: http://paste.openttd.org/220456 02:39:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (tile, height, diagdir, next tile) 02:40:48 <weaselboy246> trying to add rivers to auto generation? 02:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's the point 02:41:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but somehow the coordinates get messed up 02:44:44 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d350.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hey cool. google can even correct "offset keyboard" errors ;) 03:07:47 <sparrL> how do I convince trains to take detours to be serviced? 03:07:55 <sparrL> that is, if my depots aren't on the main line 03:11:34 <weaselboy246> use a conditional to check if it needs service 03:19:05 *** Fuco [~a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:24:40 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-171-53-144.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:41:06 <rhaeder> that trams is a nice feature. I was already missing that in TTD :) 03:52:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:59:42 <sparrL> weaselboy246: :( 03:59:46 <sparrL> re conditionals 03:59:49 <sparrL> in other news 03:59:54 <sparrL> got my first crash in a recent nightly 04:00:06 <sparrL> which is a signal that it is time to stop playing for the evening 04:00:25 <weaselboy246> lol what? 04:00:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c978:5ce8:37c6:2ab0] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:04:20 <sparrL> guess i should try to reproduce it... 04:08:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:08:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:10 *** Risugam1 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:12 *** weaselboy246 is now known as Guest1625 04:10:12 *** Risugam1 is now 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timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:54 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:37 <rhaeder> morning :) 08:00:38 <_ln> yes it is 08:04:08 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:07:43 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:12:03 *** sparrL [~kvirc@99-2-138-242.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:21:08 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:24:40 <rhaeder> again that appalling thing :( I have constructed some tracks nearby a city where I am present with "good" to "outstanding" ratings for my tram stations and now the city authority is appalling :( 08:30:38 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:04 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:32 *** Zeph [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:46 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.19] has quit [Quit: ...] 08:59:17 <edeca> rhaeder: Heh, I get that all the time 08:59:23 <edeca> rhaeder: Even with "permissive" in the config 08:59:31 <edeca> rhaeder: Plant some trees and make them happy again :) 08:59:47 <edeca> rhaeder: Or put a bus station in the town before you build rails, that way you can get back to "good" quickly 08:59:52 * edeca wonders if it is a bug 09:00:11 <Noldo> are you sure "some tracks" isn't "big main line with the usual terraforming" 09:00:28 <Rubidium> probably 'just' removing some houses 09:01:26 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:01:37 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 09:01:44 <rhaeder> ok :) 09:03:30 <rhaeder> the trees-trick worked :D 09:03:44 <rhaeder> "bribing" with nature ;) 09:05:06 <weaselboy246> btw try planting alot of trees then destroy them :P 09:05:14 <weaselboy246> then plant more trees 09:06:20 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:13:33 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:37 <edeca> weaselboy246: Don't you loose reputation by destroying them? 09:14:47 <edeca> Noldo: Mm, teraforming 09:15:04 <weaselboy246> yea but less than you earn by planting 09:16:37 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has joined #openttd 09:24:02 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbabe94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:28 <edeca> weaselboy246: Ta :) 09:55:42 *** elmz [~quassel@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 10:17:11 <planetmaker> The notification e-mails about changes in flyspray issues don't have full links in them anymore: 10:17:11 <planetmaker> More information can be found at the following URL: 10:17:27 <planetmaker> /bugs/task/3368 10:17:35 <Rubidium> fucking fracking flyspray 10:18:03 <Rubidium> you fix one thing and break a million others 10:18:24 <peter1138> hmm? 10:20:55 <planetmaker> must have happened between 7th and 9th of this month 10:25:30 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: odd thing is that I 'only' changed the URL if it was '//' to become http://bugs.openttd.org/ 10:26:22 <Rubidium> which is why it's very odd that it's broken now 10:28:05 <planetmaker> mysterious are the paths of the.... bugs. 10:29:45 <Rubidium> seems to work again 10:29:50 <edeca> in all their buggy mysteriousness? 10:31:22 <planetmaker> yes, works again. Thanks Rubidium 10:32:55 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/bounding.png 10:32:57 <peter1138> ^ pom te pom 10:33:16 <peter1138> i guess i need a varaction for ground type 10:33:59 <peter1138> it already needs a varaction to choose between open and closed 10:34:36 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:18 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c875.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:36:31 <Noldo> peter1138: what are you fidling with? 10:37:52 <peter1138> railtypes 10:37:56 <peter1138> and thus, level crossings 10:56:52 <peter1138> it'll no doubt be slower, mind you 10:56:57 <peter1138> but only for visible crossings 10:57:16 <peter1138> 6 sprites on a tile instead of 1 10:57:28 <peter1138> plus varactions instead of a static sprite id 11:00:01 <edeca> how "slow" is "slow"? 11:00:07 <edeca> it runs perfectly well on my machine ;) 11:00:27 <Noldo> different 'it' 11:01:14 <edeca> the game, as is now. 11:01:40 <peter1138> i've never benchmarked it 11:04:48 <edeca> what am i missing if i only ever get "far end" orders with stations using the nightly? 11:14:26 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:23 *** Fuco [~a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you can click on them 11:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause> to change it to "middle" or "near end" 11:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can set an option for the default value in the advanced settings 11:19:37 <edeca> Ah, I assumed it was based on where I clicked on the station. 11:19:45 <edeca> But then that wouldn't work, as near/far could be either end 11:21:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:20 *** Fuco [~a@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [] 11:24:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:43:01 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B35AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 11:50:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.64.102] has joined #openttd 11:54:26 <planetmaker> http://xkcd.com/675/ <-- hehe. I like the one today :-) (And note the mouse-over text ;-) ) 11:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so when do you NOT like it? :p 11:56:53 <weaselboy246> lol 11:56:54 <planetmaker> :-P 11:58:06 <weaselboy246> one before that is funny too. 11:58:39 * peter1138 wonders what's left with railtypes 11:58:51 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:51 <peter1138> oh yes, depots and tunnels 11:59:02 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: a varaction2 that can check the 4 neighbouring tiles? 11:59:20 <peter1138> for what? 11:59:28 <Eddi|zuHause> (like the elrail-catenary code does) 12:00:36 <Eddi|zuHause> for example: chose on which side to draw the 3rd rail 12:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or more insane: smoother looking curves ;) 12:02:19 <peter1138> yuck :p 12:02:43 <weaselboy246> smoother curves? as in larger than 1 tile turn? think we need more sprites for that to look decent 12:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, my point is that it's not some revolutionary new concept, the code already does it, so it might as well be opened to newgrf 12:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and then let the grf authors figure out how to abuse it 12:03:43 <peter1138> not quite the same :p 12:04:27 <weaselboy246> http://xkcd.com/667/ man... i feared that skifree monster as a child 12:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what a skifree monster is... 12:05:41 <weaselboy246> SkiFree, from microsoft entertainment pack 12:06:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and you don't have to tell us about all the other 673 comics that you read 12:06:36 <weaselboy246> once you get too far down monster, an abominal snowman jumps out and eats you 12:06:51 <weaselboy246> believe me, i've seen the all lol 12:06:56 <weaselboy246> *them 12:07:17 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:07:34 <peter1138> so has everyone 12:18:26 <edeca> welcome to the internet :) 12:18:39 <edeca> exits are here -> here <- and here ^ 12:18:54 <edeca> peter1138: are the railtypes something which will end up in trunk? 12:19:00 <edeca> forgive my ignorance, i'm not sure what they do 12:20:22 <planetmaker> they allow to define rail types as you can define trains or vehicles 12:20:30 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: ah, before i forget it, there should be a way to draw only the front (or only back) half of the level crossing (for adjacent level crossings to leave out the "middle") 12:20:54 <edeca> so they aren't limited to the 4 that are in game, but by whatever newgrf authors decide? 12:21:03 <edeca> so if you load narrowgauge.grf you get a nice new rail type? 12:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: they'll be limited to 16 12:21:26 <edeca> not dreadful, why would you need more than that? 12:21:36 * edeca whips up hornby.grf 12:22:09 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/sneak2.png < old 12:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: you get to 16 quite easily, if you factor in maximum speed/axle weight, and combinations of catenary and 3rd rail 12:22:30 <edeca> peter1138: third rail on the lowest? 12:22:51 <peter1138> two new railtypes there 12:22:52 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: ah fair enough 12:23:00 <peter1138> third rail, and third rail with catenary 12:23:07 <edeca> looking good :) 12:23:21 <Rubidium> looking decently old 12:23:25 <edeca> is it likely to get into trunk soon/sometime/never? 12:23:28 <peter1138> Sep 2008 :D 12:23:45 <edeca> ah. 12:23:47 * edeca shuts up 12:24:03 <weaselboy246> wasn't that on a grf? 12:24:26 <Rubidium> edeca: you know you're talking to peter 'oh, I have a patch for that' n/1138? 12:24:46 <edeca> Rubidium: no, i didn't 12:24:48 <planetmaker> hehe 12:24:49 <edeca> but that's pretty awesome. 12:24:58 * edeca makes peter1138 a coffee 12:26:02 <peter1138> hmm, i should update the metro grf 12:26:16 <peter1138> if i can find it 12:26:47 <peter1138> oh, it's there 12:26:56 <planetmaker> there's one on bananas... but I doubt you mean it... 12:26:59 <planetmaker> nvm 12:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't understand it, the regular coordinate translation is "(y << MapLogX()) + x", in tgp.cpp the translation "x + y * dim_x" is used. to me they look the same but the results i get when using the "TileAddByDiagDir" functions don't support that... 12:28:08 <edeca> hrm, actually, i did see the metro trains (i.e. london tube trains) in the 2cc set I think 12:28:18 <edeca> i didn't quite know how they worked or what railtype they were for 12:28:36 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: it's a monorail replacement, afair 12:28:55 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Cool. To be honest, tube trains that run above ground seem odd. 12:28:59 <edeca> But more useful than monorail IMO 12:29:03 <peter1138> hmm, this it the original metro :s 12:29:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it should be the same, unless dim_x is incorrect 12:29:31 <peter1138> hmm 12:29:32 <planetmaker> edeca, yes, the 2ccTrainSet is designed to be used with the metrorails newgrf - which replaces monorail by some other kind of rail 12:29:40 <peter1138> no it's not 12:30:05 <peter1138> it's the original non-overlay format 12:30:07 <peter1138> damn 12:30:13 <peter1138> but i'm sure i did it 12:30:17 <edeca> planetmaker: Oops, I'd better load that then :) 12:30:24 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/sneak3.png 12:30:26 <peter1138> yeah, i did 12:30:32 * peter1138 wonders where that went 12:30:40 <planetmaker> edeca, it's just optics. But it sure looks better to have metro trains run on rails than monorail. 12:31:12 <edeca> planetmaker: thank you 12:31:58 <planetmaker> no worries. Though it shows that readmes are not read :-( 12:33:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but the tile "afb (59, 43): 4.8125004 3-> abb" in the heightmap ends up as "River Tile: ad0 (16, 43) 4" in the map... :( 12:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> where 16 = 59-43 12:33:49 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M2-Ouchy-train-arrive%2Btrack.jpg <- looks more like an inverted monorail :) 12:34:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so somewhere the address translation goes wrong... 12:34:16 <edeca> planetmaker: No, sadly they aren't. There are too many, too out of date etc. I know that means I'm a whiny little sod :) 12:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and i can't find it 12:34:39 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 12:34:41 <edeca> planetmaker: The new content management system is excellent though. If package "hints" could be given (i.e. you loaded A which recommends B) that would rock 12:34:53 <peter1138> Rubidium, "ouchy train" ? 12:34:59 <bartavelle> yo 12:35:07 <peter1138> (is that the french tyre system?) 12:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that's the rubber-tyre metro? 12:35:10 <edeca> Hi bartavelle 12:35:19 <Rubidium> yup 12:35:24 <edeca> They have that in San Francisco, really weird 12:35:32 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@188.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:35:35 <peter1138> ah, ouchy is the station name, hehe 12:35:39 <peter1138> must be french :) 12:36:19 <bartavelle> sounds like it 12:36:24 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ST_SN5000_20061102_001.jpg <- that looks even more monorail-ish 12:37:09 <peter1138> that tunnel is excessively large 12:37:19 <peter1138> hmm, and it's not a tunnel anyway 12:37:28 <peter1138> too much daylight on it 12:38:31 *** rucinter [~chatzilla@86.122.14.1] has joined #openttd 12:39:16 <rucinter> hello 12:39:37 <rucinter> OpenTTD (latest version) is not running on MacOS 10.6 Snow Leopard? 12:39:41 <Rubidium> hmm, I've been even on that metro 12:40:24 <bartavelle> ouchy turns out to be swiss 12:40:39 <planetmaker> edeca, currently I can only declare forced dependencies. And I'm not sure whether it works for newgrf. 12:40:59 <edeca> planetmaker: Forced are for AIs that require certain backend things? 12:41:08 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:09 <edeca> planetmaker: e.g. a directed graph or whatever 12:41:36 <Rubidium> rucinter: it's not officially supported. Some people reported that it works, others reported that it doesn't work... so the answer is: I don't know 12:41:51 <rucinter> ok, will try it on my own 12:41:55 <rucinter> thanks 12:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause> bartavelle: apparently they used to have a rack railway, so the rubber tyres seem to be necessary for the increased traction 12:43:18 <bartavelle> would make sense 12:43:51 <planetmaker> edeca, yes. AIs can declare dependencies on libraries and stuff 12:44:17 <edeca> planetmaker: Makes sense 12:44:29 <planetmaker> newgrf don't need that usually. 12:44:44 <Rubidium> but they can 12:44:52 <edeca> I tried FIRS at the weekend too, I quite liked it 12:44:54 <planetmaker> :-) good to know 12:45:02 <planetmaker> ^ both 12:45:55 <edeca> I think it was peter1138 who said he found it excessive. I thought it was easier than ECS 12:46:03 <planetmaker> edeca, if you find problems with FIRS and things which need tweaking, please report them in the corresponding thread in the tt-forums 12:46:17 <peter1138> that may be true... ECS is excess too... 12:46:43 <planetmaker> he... :-) 12:46:48 <peter1138> +ive 12:47:04 <planetmaker> I thought already to maybe add a parameter to allow a FIRS light or alike 12:47:11 <planetmaker> less different industries 12:47:11 <peter1138> but i get confused when i try to play toyland, so... 12:47:28 <planetmaker> less cargo types 12:49:00 <edeca> peter1138: I've loaded toyland once and given up.. 12:49:01 <weaselboy246> thought FIRS was going to be control with dates? 12:49:23 <edeca> planetmaker: Does FIRS have stockpiles like some of the other industries? 12:49:44 <edeca> weaselboy246: That could be clever. No plastic packaging until 1970 or such 12:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> edeca: there's plenty of discussion on that, the decision was afair to not have stockpile limits 12:50:40 <edeca> Eddi|zuHause: Cool. I find them annoying, but that's just me :) 12:51:52 <weaselboy246> doesn't really bother me, except for requiring coal at steel mill :P 12:52:14 <planetmaker> yes. There won't be limits, I think 12:53:41 <edeca> planetmaker: What about industry closure? ECS can be a bit aggressive there 12:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there will be stockpiles though, so if you provide more cargo than the industry can handle, you will not get secondary goods out of that delivery 13:06:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ah... i think i found the reason... the tgp heightmap is 1 tile larger... 13:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> featurette-request: when river tiles are next to void tiles, they should show as if the void tile was a water tile 13:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. they should be "open" towards that tile 13:08:33 <Eddi|zuHause> so it looks like the river flows into (or out of) the map 13:10:57 <Rubidium> and then get bug reports that you can't place a buoy there? 13:11:05 <Eddi|zuHause> so i need to build my own address translation routines 13:11:07 <Terkhen> there is a similar problem with jungle tiles 13:11:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: what? no, not display the void tile, change the display of the river tile 13:11:55 *** rucinter [~chatzilla@86.122.14.1] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 13:12:27 <Terkhen> when you place jungle next to the end of the map, the border of the jungle tile appears as if the void tile was desert 13:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: currently, if you place a river tile near the map edge, it shows as "closed", i.e there's a small strip of land between the river and the map edge 13:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it should rather display as "open" 13:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> as if the river continues outside the map 13:19:09 <peter1138> but it doesn't ;) 13:19:50 <Noldo> :P 13:23:01 <weaselboy246> TTD is a flat earth. there is no outside map :) 13:25:04 <Noldo> herecy! 13:27:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:15df:8efd:e039:90ae] has joined #openttd 13:27:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:34:23 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 13:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> so... the tile translation is better now, so next problem, why are they flowing uphill? 13:36:27 <Belugas> haaa... that is a feature i encoded myself, Eddi|zuHause : a touch of un-realism :D 13:36:27 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 13:36:31 <Belugas> hello all 13:36:44 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:19 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 13:40:05 <rhaeder> all authorities are complaining about noise when I want to construct an international or intercontinental airport :( 13:40:39 <rhaeder> can I somewhere reduce the noise level they complain, or is that cheating? 13:40:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a difficulty setting 13:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> on permissive they complain less 13:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause> also, larger cities complain less 13:41:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and further away from the city center they complain less 13:41:58 <rhaeder> ok :) 13:43:59 <peter1138> hm 13:45:00 <rhaeder> already permissive :( 13:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a console setting that changes the effect of permissive 13:54:39 <Belugas> further away, the less noise.. 13:59:23 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm119.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/ 14:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> bl?rgs 14:02:57 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/river1.png 14:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm almost there 14:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> (if it ever finishes uploading) 14:04:00 *** Osai [~Osai@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:42 *** XeryusTC2 [~XeryusTC@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:01 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:16 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> they tend to sink in the tiniest of valleys, and i need to sort out the terraforming to avoid the invalid slopes 14:07:31 *** tneo [~tneo@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:31 <Belugas> damned... looking at the code for ten minutes, just to find out i was looking at the wrong library :S 14:11:34 <Belugas> stupid me 14:13:00 <planetmaker> that image: your new patch, Eddi|zuHause ? 14:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 14:13:17 <planetmaker> nice :-) 14:16:22 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.158.155] has joined #openttd 14:24:13 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:39:26 <peter1138> you need a grf ;) 14:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i know, but as long as i don't sort out the slopes, the drawing code crashes when i load a river grf 14:41:02 <Rubidium> what about *if* you reach a sloped tile terraform it down so it's a slope you can work with 14:41:15 <Rubidium> you only need to do that with one side 14:41:15 <peter1138> oh, well, i don't know what you're doin 14:41:17 <peter1138> +g 14:42:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, i have an idea how to do it 14:42:35 <Rubidium> although... there's at least one case were that wouldn't work :( 14:43:03 <Rubidium> hmm, even more 14:43:44 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 14:43:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'll go backwards from the sink/merge 14:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but not now... 14:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause> need a pause 14:44:16 <Rubidium> the location where you can't terraform is the biggest problem 14:45:29 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i have an address translation crash somewhere near the map edge... 14:46:18 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:46:39 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 14:46:47 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/river_problem.png <- that case is going to be very nasty 14:47:27 <Rubidium> if foundations aren't allowed, or the houses are unmovables 14:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the houses are placed later 14:48:22 <Rubidium> oh, then it's almost trivial 14:48:31 <Rubidium> if terraforming down doesn't work, terraform up :) 14:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause> but the problem is generally those zick-zack rivers, they would have to be completely flat 14:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it'd be way easier to just allow the other slopes ;) 14:51:24 <Rubidium> that'd certainly look odd in some cases, e.g. the top left right 14:51:31 <Rubidium> s/right/river/ 14:52:14 <Belugas> lol -> Check Online Content. "can u (...) plz (...) give me the download link" 14:52:25 <Belugas> for crying out loud!! 14:52:52 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:52 <Belugas> what's wrong with kids today??? There is a shortage of brains nowaday??? 14:53:13 <Rubidium> shortage of rights to have broadband at home 14:54:21 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:09 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an "U Postleitzahl"? 14:58:15 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:58:17 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 15:02:01 <Rubidium> and undergroup postal code? 15:06:38 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@188.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:11:46 <Belugas> :) 15:14:08 <peter1138> bah, i really ought to get my organ working 15:17:00 <Belugas> wy? it's broken? 15:17:58 <Goulp> plug and play ? 15:19:05 <peter1138> oops, wrong channel 15:25:36 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:35:36 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@11.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:53:05 <deghosty> organ? 15:53:08 <deghosty> like liver? 15:59:26 <Belugas> hehehe 16:05:59 *** FloSoft [bouncer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:23 *** FloSoft [bouncer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B35AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:13:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.159.61] has joined #openttd 16:17:39 *** sparrL [~kvirc@99-2-138-242.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:26 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@82.73.10.91] has quit [Quit: So long, and thanks for all the fish] 16:19:33 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 16:20:35 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 16:20:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.158.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:07 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@devera.geophys.nat.tu-bs.de] has quit [Quit: back another time] 16:28:57 *** planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 16:38:51 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF976B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:49:50 *** sparrL [~kvirc@99-2-138-242.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:41 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:52 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:22 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6fac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:10:50 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:11:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:20e2:1:31c2:e649:e7d0:5b20] has joined #openttd 17:17:46 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:57 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:38 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm119.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:01 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:14 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:09 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:32 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdragon1000 17:37:52 *** welshdragon1000 is now known as welshdragon 17:39:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has left #openttd [] 17:41:00 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:46:58 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 17:49:23 *** Goulp [~Goulp@nt2001.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 17:58:15 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 18:20:40 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has joined #openttd 18:20:56 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18496 /trunk/os/windows/installer/ (4 files): -Codechange: some changes to the installer to make it more usable, easier to maintain and more up-to-date 18:35:26 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:06 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:24 *** Typh00n [~Typh00n@host-79-121-59-211.kabelnet.hu] has joined #openttd 18:42:36 *** Typh00n [~Typh00n@host-79-121-59-211.kabelnet.hu] has quit [Quit: Typh00n] 18:44:07 *** nonsensical [~ars@209-210-207-246.dslnorthwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18497 /trunk/src/lang/ (hebrew.txt norwegian_bokmal.txt): 18:45:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hebrew - 1 changes by dnd_man 18:45:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 23 changes by Zhygometh 18:45:29 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:46 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:59:24 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 18:59:35 <frosch123> hmm, internet is quite slow today except irc :p 19:02:36 *** elmz [~quassel@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:39 * Luukland puts chair in relax mode 19:04:03 * Belugas puts coffee in express mode 19:04:20 <Luukland> Ahhh, Belugas also knows how to live ^^ 19:04:29 <Belugas> DROP IN, YOU SLUG!!! COME ON!!! DROP 19:04:52 <frosch123> Luukland: no, he knows how to work 19:05:21 <frosch123> sorry :) 19:08:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:08:55 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:04 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 19:11:45 <Belugas> a ccokie for frosch123! 19:12:12 <Prof_Frink> A cockie? Actually, I don't want to know. 19:12:34 <Rubidium> bah.. I already wanted to asked how he mixed up the c and o 19:12:54 <Belugas> :S 19:13:08 * Belugas blames his guitar nails 19:13:15 <frosch123> sounds like a female colleague saying: "sorry, i need to crawl under your desk again" 19:13:25 <Belugas> <nails of guitarist> 19:13:32 <Belugas> lol 19:13:52 <Luukland> some people must be really depressed because of the cold weather 19:13:53 <Rubidium> oh, could've quoted James May too 19:14:01 <frosch123> (one colleague said that today, when she needed to fix the connectors of the computer again) 19:17:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18498 /trunk/src/ (vehicle_cmd.cpp vehicle_func.h vehicle_gui.cpp): 19:17:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2616]: cloning of vehicles could create vehicles with invalid cargo sub 19:17:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: types for the build year of the vehicle. Fall back to another cargo sub type 19:17:31 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: with the exact same name, otherwise fallback to cargo sub type 0. 19:20:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18499 /trunk/src/autoreplace_cmd.cpp: 19:20:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Fix/Change/Feature [FS#3159]: autoreplace and autorenew always reset their 19:20:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: cargo sub type to 0. Now find a sub cargo type with the exact same name and use 19:20:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: that, otherwise fallback to 0. So cargo sub types can be maintained via 19:20:00 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: autoreplace *if* the new vehicle supports the same cargo sub type. 19:20:49 *** LordAzamath [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 19:26:41 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg205.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:38:12 *** elmz [~elmz@34.84-48-63.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:38:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:27 *** weaselboy246 [risugami@72-173-0-26.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Quit: Beware of the bearers of false gifts and broken promises. Much pain but there is still time. Believe. There is still good out there. We oppose the decieve] 19:41:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "Fix/Change/Feature" <- wonderful ;) 19:41:28 <peter1138> "fixed some bugs" 19:44:32 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:33 *** t [foobar@ip-89-102-34-194.karneval.cz] has joined #openttd 19:48:20 <t> hello. i have found out, that opengfx is in a pretty good shape. How can i configure it so it will be system-wide default for all users on my (debian) system? 19:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> t: i believe the default one is chosen by alphabetical order 19:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> of the .obg file 19:50:29 <t> hmhm obg? 19:50:50 <frosch123> t: do you wonder about the path to put ogfx into for global access, or about setting it as default? 19:50:59 <t> both 19:51:09 <t> i want to have free software installation which works for users 19:51:15 <t> (without having to play with config) 19:51:40 <frosch123> put them in e.g. /usr/local/share/games/openttd/data 19:51:45 <t> ... i would like to place it on my live cd :) 19:51:53 <frosch123> maybe it also works without "local", but that is the one i use 19:52:10 <t> ic, i am using /usr/share/games/openttd/data 19:52:11 <frosch123> and ottd will use it if there is no other one anyway 19:52:18 <t> i will try, ty 19:52:46 *** elmz [~elmz@34.84-48-63.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:07 <t> woah, works :) 19:54:14 <t> thanks! 19:54:29 <t> do you think you would like to have downloadable live cd with latest openttd? 19:54:29 <t> :) 19:55:11 <frosch123> the problem with a cd is, that you cannot save your games. can you also offer a live-usb-stick? :p 19:56:04 <frosch123> with no window manager and ottd as login shell or so 19:56:17 <t> ca be live usb, yes 19:56:19 <t> can* 19:56:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:57:13 <t> i will try doing it, will contact you later when i will have something :) 19:58:01 <frosch123> well, actually, personally i do not need such a thing :) 19:58:08 <t> it might inspire people to improve (finish) opengfx set and maybe to do something about sounds and music :) 19:58:23 <frosch123> opensfx is finished as well 19:58:34 <t> ? never used it, i will have to look 19:58:37 <frosch123> and music has always been stupid anyway 19:58:49 <t> no, the music is the best of its kind 19:58:56 <frosch123> note, opensfx needs nightly, 0.7.x is not sufficient 19:59:07 <t> i was playing ttd too much just because of the music 20:00:04 <t> but well, not weeks without pause lol that would make the music a repeating torture 20:00:50 <t> opensfx is not in online content downloadable from client? 20:02:11 <t> -> evil, needs to improve 20:02:32 <frosch123> it is, but not for 0.7.x 20:02:39 <t> aha... ok 20:03:53 <frosch123> 0.7 is more than 8 months old crap :p 20:04:48 <t> :) 20:04:53 <t> works for me hehe 20:05:02 <t> (0.7.3) 20:05:57 <t> so why not 0,8 release? 20:06:27 <frosch123> he, you do not know ottd's release cycle :p 20:07:33 <frosch123> play alpha if you want to 20:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what? release cycle? i thought that was an aprils fools joke... 20:10:24 <frosch123> yeah, only fools believe in fixed cycles 20:11:19 <t> my cycle is not fixed :) 20:11:24 <t> i can ride it 20:11:44 <t> and btw fool = customer ? :) 20:14:10 <t> customers are not fools. they only have different value systems, priorities and experiences... 20:14:12 <frosch123> fools can appear in different colours :) 20:14:23 <Belugas> always... a fool is always a customer 20:14:29 <t> hehehe 20:14:29 <Belugas> a customer is always a fool 20:14:42 <t> fool -> customer works 20:14:53 <t> customer ! -> fool is imho wrong :) 20:15:22 <andythenorth> is he who works for a fool a bigger fool? 20:15:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:57 <andythenorth> who fools the fools? 20:16:13 <frosch123> last week fools were identified by appending numbers to their nickname 20:16:17 <andythenorth> meanwhile.....ta da (fanfare): 20:16:17 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=46297&p=840265#p840265 20:16:32 <andythenorth> kinda like a MB style thing 20:17:14 <peter1138> ... 20:17:16 <frosch123> why is that not in off-topic? 20:17:36 <andythenorth> he :P 20:17:41 <andythenorth> forthcoming newgrf set 20:17:54 <andythenorth> (or vapourware, depending on if I lose interest) 20:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what a Rolf Harris is... 20:18:33 <andythenorth> well there won't be one in the set 20:18:36 <peter1138> ROLF'S CARTOON CLUB, ROLF'S CARTOON CLUB, YOU CAN JOIN TODAY! 20:18:53 <andythenorth> Pikka would get it... 20:19:38 <peter1138> rolf's more of a british phenomenon 20:20:04 <andythenorth> I saw Rolf live 20:22:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:24:00 <t> hmm opensfx really needs 0,8 it seems 20:24:11 * t is going to try compiling latest 20:25:06 * Sacro reports it 20:27:26 <t> omg i am reported to homeland enslavement office now 20:27:30 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:28:02 * welshdragon reports Sacro 20:28:08 <welshdragon> for indecent exposure 20:28:16 <t> lol 20:28:51 <t> quiet reporting is better than false frienship, right? :) 20:29:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:29:30 <welshdragon> hello Brianetta 20:30:28 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:08 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 20:33:25 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:38 <t> wow i can hear those new sounds :) 20:44:40 <t> they are good 20:47:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 20:50:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18500 /branches/0.7/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 20:50:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 20:50:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Read after free in case no network connection could be made with the content server (r18493) 20:50:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIOrder::SkipToOrder did not properly resolve ORDER_CURRENT (r18471) 20:50:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Prepare for 0.7.5-RC1 20:52:07 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:06 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008103100]] 20:56:58 <welshdragon> 0.7.5 to have OGFX and OSFX? 20:57:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18501 /tags/0.7.5-RC1/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.7.5-RC1 20:58:43 * welshdragon pokes Rubidium 20:59:15 <planetmaker> :-O Another 0.7 release approaching 20:59:38 <planetmaker> welshdragon: not OpenSFX 20:59:42 <welshdragon> :( 20:59:50 <frosch123> stupid tiki cannot create tables with cells spanning multiple columns (except last column) 20:59:55 <planetmaker> it's a trunk feature and will only be in 0.8.x 21:00:00 <frosch123> how shall i fix the newgrf specs then? 21:00:07 <planetmaker> which page, frosch123 ? 21:00:22 <Rubidium> *Action*Houses* 21:00:37 <frosch123> act 7/9 about [gG][gG]? 21:00:46 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 21:00:54 <frosch123> ok, s/fix/improve/ 21:01:34 <frosch123> lol, Rubidium, that is cheating :) 21:02:08 <planetmaker> :-P 21:02:27 <frosch123> (it does not even matter that it is a ancient tiki 1.9.2, even current 4.0 cannot deal with that) 21:03:42 <frosch123> i could insert the table as preformatted text :p 21:05:01 <planetmaker> he :-S 21:07:43 <t> after some playing, todays svn version crashed on me.. 21:07:45 <t> Signal: Aborted (6) Message: NOT_REACHED triggered at line 99 of /home/t/src/g/openttd/trunk/src/ai/ai_info_dummy.cpp 21:12:20 <Rubidium> odd 21:13:29 <Rubidium> it works fine for me 21:14:06 <Rubidium> unless... you're missing compat_0.7.nut 21:14:49 <Rubidium> hmm, even then it doesn't fail that horribly 21:15:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@214.65.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:28 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-140-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:16:49 <Rubidium> t: what OS? 21:16:59 * peter1138 grumbles 21:17:00 <Rubidium> and what language? 21:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> czech, i presume 21:20:44 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:05 <Rubidium> aha... that explains it 21:25:01 <planetmaker> extra crash for our czech friends? 21:25:54 <Rubidium> yes, free for them only 21:25:56 <Luukland> cash for Dutch friend needed 21:27:18 <planetmaker> if you've too much cash, rather give it me than waste it, Luukland 21:27:33 <Luukland> I got too little 21:27:41 <Luukland> this project is draining my wallet 21:28:04 <planetmaker> OpenTTD? does'nt sound too expensive 21:28:26 <planetmaker> (except if you count your working hours on it) 21:28:29 <Rubidium> it is when you're paying people to modify it 21:28:34 <Luukland> xD 21:28:39 <Luukland> Chinese cheap workers 21:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause> those that remember numbers in the basement? 21:31:00 <t> Rubidium: debian sid 21:31:06 <t> czech, right 21:31:56 <t> czech language is easy, maybe even easier than japanese. can i help somehow? 21:32:11 <Rubidium> it's not the language, it's the translation 21:33:26 <t> hmhm if you know where is the problem, maybe i can help a bit 21:34:02 <Rubidium> I have the solution already, just need to figure out whether it's the best 21:34:49 <Rubidium> anyhow, OpenTTD (trunk) in 6 languages is going to break if there's no AI 21:35:11 <Rubidium> the other 47-or-so will 'just work' 21:35:18 <t> why? 21:35:51 <t> well, getting AI could help me? 21:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, generally yes, if you want to enable AI you need to download some 21:36:14 *** sparrL [kvirc@c-68-53-167-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what the window would tell you, if it wouldn't crash the game 21:36:33 <Rubidium> would work around the problem, as would setting the language to not one of czech, turkish, greek, catalan, romanian or swedish 21:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause> did the catalans vote for their independence yet? 21:37:09 <t> why is it not included in the game? 21:37:24 <t> at least some 21:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> t: because they change very fast, so after every (old) installation, one would have to make an "online update" anyway 21:38:59 <t> this could be nice workaround, at least for me : 21:39:07 <Rubidium> and which ones should we package and which ones not? Would mean that we need to do quality control on the AIs 21:39:10 <t> i mean having some (even old) version by default 21:39:25 <t> ah, i c 21:39:28 <Rubidium> t: that's the AI it's trying to load when it crashes 21:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "Apple users suffer from Stockholm Syndrome" <- lmao ;) 21:41:44 <t> we will all be suffocated by copenhagen syndrome... :( 21:42:10 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:510b:1:31c2:e649:e7d0:5b20] has joined #openttd 21:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> t: the "Stockholm Syndrome" is when obducted people solidarize with their kidnappers and start to defend their actions 21:43:05 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I find that a good quote 21:44:03 <Eddi|zuHause> t: apparently a danish company made a study, and apple users use similar arguments when discussing around iphone shortcomings (lack of java/mms and restricted applications) 21:44:23 <t> lol 21:44:35 <t> it can be told about most proprietary systems 21:44:53 <t> and religious cults 21:45:28 * fjb would even have to change the net provider to use an iphone. 21:45:41 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [] 21:46:10 *** sparrL [kvirc@c-68-53-167-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:21 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: i think that quote applies to most users of any operating system, assuming the user actively chose what OS he wants. 21:47:08 <t> having proprietary system on communication devices is like petting bugs 21:47:11 <_ln> actively = knowingly 21:47:49 <t> _ln: i do not agree. in linux, there are shortcomings, but its a system under your command. 21:47:59 <t> apple/win => you are slave to the system 21:48:11 <_ln> t: see, you are suffering from the syndrome. 21:48:18 <t> lol 21:48:26 <fjb> Yes, use FreeBSd and you eare free! 21:48:44 <t> lolz. maybe GNU Mach, never openbsd 21:48:56 <t> just what works best and gives you freedom 21:49:04 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:20e2:1:31c2:e649:e7d0:5b20] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:04 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:49:18 <t> *bsd is not smart enough :) 21:49:32 <t> (ooh, i see coming flames) 21:49:54 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:50:00 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:17 <_ln> t: *although* you have access to the source, in practice you are quite much limited by what your distribution has decided for you. quite improbable that the average user would start patching any program in the system, despite the source. 21:51:49 <t> _ln: i did that many times 21:51:59 <t> your assumption is not working 21:52:28 <_ln> t: if you knew what to do and you have even some coding skills, you are not the average user. 21:52:42 <t> i WAS average user before coming to linux 21:52:55 <t> you cant be more easily in proprietary world 21:53:07 <t> it has barriers 21:53:47 <_ln> i know, and there is no good operating system at the moment, either free or proprietary. 21:53:55 <t> true 21:54:40 <t> eventually, all brainchips will be from one company (google?). That day we will have all questions answered for us. 21:55:22 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:35 <_ln> with linux the situation with sounds is not really any better than 10 years ago, which is sad. 21:58:40 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:18 <t> _ln: it is! its fragmented, but alsa>> oss and jackd for me works well 21:59:30 <fjb> We are google, resistance is futile! 21:59:45 <t> we are from google and we are here to help you. 22:00:21 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:16 <_ln> t: hard to avoid pulseaudio nowadays 22:03:28 <Rubidium> s/help/own/ 22:04:25 <Yexo> TrueBrain: I can't access the noai project site svn anymore, for exmplae svn up returns "svn: Server sent unexpected return value (502 Bad Gateway) in response to OPTIONS request for 'http://noai.openttd.org/svn/ai-admiralai/trunk'" 22:04:53 <t> yes, pulse sucks sometimes... 22:05:17 <t> as a musician i use jackd and i am glad i have linux :) 22:05:43 <t> (low latency, plugable real time effects, real-time remixing, filtering) 22:06:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18502 /trunk/src/ai/ai_info_dummy.cpp: -Fix: the dummy AI would could a NOT_REACHED if the translated error message contained a quote 22:07:09 <PeterT> 0.7.5-RC1? Already? 22:07:20 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 22:08:58 <dihedral> PeterT: those are bug fix releases ;-) 22:09:00 <Eddi|zuHause> why not? the later it gets, the less useful it's going to be 22:09:52 <PeterT> What happened to Celestar? Why did he leave? 22:10:04 <frosch123> he was annoyed about the spam in here 22:10:34 <PeterT> Ah 22:10:38 <PeterT> So he left? 22:10:39 <frosch123> night 22:10:41 <dihedral> :-P 22:10:41 <PeterT> Night 22:10:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6fac.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:45 <_ln> @seen Celestar 22:10:45 <DorpsGek> _ln: Celestar was last seen in #openttd 33 weeks, 5 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Celestar> morning 22:10:57 <_ln> 33 weeks is hardly leaving 22:11:12 <PeterT> 33 weeks is ~8 months 22:11:22 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18503 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3370]: the length and platform buttons in the station window weren't always properly centered 22:11:24 <_ln> not even enough for a baby 22:12:13 <dihedral> :-P 22:12:32 <t> for some babies, its a good date 22:14:46 <t> do you plan adding some open music ? 22:15:17 <Rubidium> only if someone makes it 22:15:40 <t> there is a lot of 'free' or Free music files. midi, oggs 22:15:52 <_ln> Sacro already found some great open music 22:15:58 <t> but question is, will the user want to listen? :) 22:16:01 <_ln> but nobody cared, i guess 22:16:26 <Rubidium> more: will they want to listen to those 20-ish songs? 22:16:57 <_ln> they can replace it with britney spears if the so choose 22:17:04 <_ln> +y 22:17:04 <t> ooooh 22:17:21 <t> baby baby, your train is rolling 22:17:25 * dihedral claps his hands for mp3 players 22:17:28 <Rubidium> and how free is their free? 22:17:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18504 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Remove [NoAI]: AIVehicle::SkipToVehicleOrder as it was a duplicate or AIOrder.SkipToOrder 22:18:09 <t> i would not listen to some 'authors', even for free 22:18:25 <t> but original music really was great 22:18:57 <t> i guess best would be to ask copyright owners to release it under friendly license 22:19:21 <peter1138> or forget about it 22:19:26 <Rubidium> that requires one thing... knowing who are the copyright owners 22:19:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't even know who composed the music... 22:20:04 * peter1138 tinkles with AZR-3 22:20:07 <t> peter1138: today i listened to the music with my son, who wants to learn it. he has 6 years, he plays piano 22:20:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: Jeff something? 22:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> is that a question? 22:20:40 <_ln> John Broomhall 22:20:44 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Broomhall 22:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> t: so? you can generate the music sheets from the midi files 22:21:51 <t> i just want to explain that the music is still nice! and even new generation will enjoy it 22:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause> t: but that has no relation to getting the distribution rights 22:22:21 <t> well, about those rights, maybe you need just to ask :) 22:22:22 <_ln> t: 01:44:25 < Sacro> http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/make-table.cgi?collection=joplin&preview=1 <- free openttd musics? 22:23:33 <Sacro> ? 22:23:52 <Rubidium> hmm, Jazz existed in 1899? 22:24:15 <peter1138> ragtime 22:24:30 <t> ... bookmarking... 22:24:48 <t> _ln interesting link 22:25:22 <_ln> it is 22:26:27 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:27:52 <t> but those are only piano :) 22:28:21 <Sacro> _ln: i posted that ears ago 22:28:22 <_ln> that's a matter of a minor editing of the midi file 22:28:23 <Sacro> *years 22:28:51 <t> minor editing? to make it as nice as the original music? :) 22:28:57 <t> i admire the original music, i must say 22:28:57 <_ln> Sacro: correcto. about 1.08 years ago. 22:29:15 <Sacro> bloody hell 22:32:27 <_ln> 02:02:49 < ln> that's like the best freely distributable TTD-style music we're ever going to find, and it's in midi format. 22:32:51 <t> i will try looking around for better :) 22:36:12 <t> would you be open to another format (ogg) ? 22:42:22 <Rubidium> nope 22:44:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 22:47:07 <fjb> Hi andythenorth, have some fish? 22:52:49 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:55:34 * peter1138 mumbles at ice1712 not supporting suspend 22:58:25 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:04:21 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF976B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:27 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejg205.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 23:05:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.154.138.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:06:11 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:15 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 23:09:46 *** murr4y [~murray@245.84-49-171.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:44 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:53 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:18:57 <Terkhen> good night 23:18:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@11.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:21:31 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 23:22:53 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:32 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 23:27:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 23:34:15 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:36:05 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18505 /trunk/src/airport_movement.h: -Fix [FS#3169]: improve airport movement on several airports 23:39:28 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-76-22-160-164.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:40:01 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@c-76-22-160-164.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:47:33 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-76-22-160-164.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:44 <PeterT> Why was the Mac OS X maintainer 'lost'? 23:48:56 <PeterT> (As it says on the website) 23:49:00 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@c-76-22-160-164.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:36 <Prof_Frink> PeterT: We think he fell down the back of the sofa 23:50:05 <PeterT> Ah, That would make him very hard to find :-p 23:51:28 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]