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00:07:12 *** sparrL [~kvirc@99-2-138-242.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:54 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:26:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:26:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:50 <xorkrus> bye 00:27:53 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Quit: http://xopkep.blogspot.com/] 00:28:26 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:31:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 00:37:22 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]] 01:00:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 01:06:55 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 01:27:48 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:50 *** Bryan [bryan@element.techlive.tv] has joined #openttd 01:38:50 <Bryan> sooo 01:38:50 <Bryan> hmm 01:38:50 <PeterT> Hello Bryan 01:38:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:38:50 <Bryan> trying to think if i should trust the ttd registry settings its attempting the install is attempting to change 01:38:50 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:00 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 01:39:12 <Bryan> installing on win 7 01:39:55 <PeterT> No, don't 01:40:13 <PeterT> Are you installing OpenTTD? 01:40:18 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 01:40:21 <Bryan> well it depends on the original ttd? 01:40:46 <PeterT> Yes, but you don't need to edit the registry settings for OTD 01:41:03 <Bryan> it asks for a ttd directory during the installation 01:41:42 <PeterT> So point it to where you've downloaded the files 01:41:54 <PeterT> (the folder called "transport tycoon" or something like that) 01:42:18 <Bryan> just point out an install folder? 01:42:31 <PeterT> yeah? 01:42:46 <Bryan> thx 01:42:50 <PeterT> It works? 01:42:59 <Bryan> trying, sec 01:43:47 <Bryan> lulz 01:44:06 <Bryan> cannot continue without ttd location, i cant install ttd without changing registry settings apparently -_- 01:45:47 <PeterT> No 01:46:07 <PeterT> You have downloaded the zip file from owen rudge's site, yes or no? 01:46:57 <Bryan> abandonia 01:46:59 <Bryan> or some shit 01:47:23 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 01:47:26 <Bryan> yeah 01:47:35 <Bryan> sec 01:48:36 <PeterT> I gotta go 01:48:37 <PeterT> Night 01:49:07 <PeterT> Just make sure you unzip, then point OpenTTD to the directory called Transport Tycoon (within the main folder) 01:49:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:14 <Bryan> kk 01:51:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-18-77.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:53:36 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:57:16 *** zodttd2 is now known as zodttd 02:02:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e32:f29e:1:c9ad:d957:d758:74ae] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 02:25:21 *** Waddymelon [~Nigbuntoo@200.76.241.56.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has joined #openttd 02:25:45 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d500.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:59 *** Waddymelon [~Nigbuntoo@200.76.241.56.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has quit [autokilled: Do not spam other people. Mail support@oftc.net if you feel this is in error. (2009-12-17 02:25:59)] 02:37:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:58 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 02:39:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 02:51:04 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:51:18 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 03:04:58 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:25 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 03:12:45 *** zodttd2 [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 03:16:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:38 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:12 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:34:25 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 03:53:22 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 03:54:14 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> joule.oftc.net quits: HerzogDeXtEr1, Yexo_, helb, Fish-Face, Loffe, phalax, rhaeder, jpm 03:54:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: Yexo_, phalax, helb, rhaeder, Loffe, Fish-Face, HerzogDeXtEr1, jpm 04:09:33 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c16e:2588:e8b0:4aeb] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:36:55 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 04:50:48 *** terinjokes [~terin@ip72-196-110-49.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:53:43 <terinjokes> sigh... i'm guessing asking for some help with odcctools is a bit pointless in here 05:02:17 <terinjokes> TrueBrain: you active? 05:20:50 <pw--> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18272-google-demonstrates-quantum-computer-image-search.html 05:46:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B12B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:48:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B12D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:48:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 06:11:20 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 06:36:47 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Quit: meh.] 06:43:51 *** DJNekkid [~tmsmje@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:00:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:15:58 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:16:01 <Rubidium> terinjokes: what's it what you want to ask? 07:17:31 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has joined #openttd 07:25:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:57 <mirQus> Hello players. ;) 07:34:00 <mirQus> Have you had a moment to look at FS#2806? I still have some time today so I could fix any style issues if the implementation looks reasonable. 07:42:51 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.182] has joined #openttd 07:42:56 <Terkhen> good morning 08:01:19 <planetmaker> mirQus: and how do I as player define the "primary" cargo? 08:02:06 <planetmaker> or asked differently: will something change for me, if I don't need that? 08:11:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 08:12:07 <TrueBrain> terinjokes: and at what hour you want to ask 08:14:55 <planetmaker> coma-hour :-P 08:18:58 <TrueBrain> snow snow snow snow snow 08:24:12 * planetmaker wants snow here, too 08:24:28 <planetmaker> though... if you have snow today, I'll have it tomorrow or so ;-) 08:25:50 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:25:58 <peter1138> mwahahahahahahahahaha 08:26:10 * peter1138 posts the train control patch, just to tease nekomaster 08:26:25 <Noldo> :D 08:27:18 <planetmaker> :-D 08:27:36 * planetmaker looks for the ear plugs to shut out his whining for a binary 08:28:49 <Rubidium> ooh... you got a second sun? 08:28:51 <mirQus> planetmaker: You build more wagons than other cargo. :) 08:29:07 <mirQus> Er. ... than for other cargo. :) 08:30:02 <mirQus> planetmaker: The defaults don't change in the today's version, so if you don't need the feature you can easily ignore it. 08:30:05 <Terkhen> a binary and an update of 11000 revisions... that will need a lot of whining 08:31:17 <Rubidium> ah bah... it's still to early for me 08:31:30 <mirQus> BTW, if you want some snow, there's plenty in Warsaw now. ;) 08:33:24 <planetmaker> hm... so snow West of me, East of me, but non here, just frigging cold 08:33:34 <planetmaker> Alas... out in the cold now :-) 08:34:39 <mirQus> Though the snow here is not good enough to make a snowman. :/ 08:35:41 <roboboy> Shame I don't even get snow in my part of the world 08:36:05 <mirQus> roboboy: You could make some in refrigerator. ;) 08:36:32 <roboboy> How ): 08:38:35 <mirQus> Freeze a lot of water, and then 'make it like a sand' (I can't recall a proper verb for it). 08:38:43 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41:44 <mirQus> Or boil the water to make a lot of steam and pump it to the cold. That would probably be better 'quality' snow, but also a lot more expensive to make. ;) 08:42:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 08:49:16 <Noldo> just spay water in to cold air 08:49:42 <Noldo> that's what they do in ski resorts 08:52:38 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 08:53:18 <mirQus> So, the refrigerator holds in hot parts of the world. ;) 08:59:15 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:04:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 09:06:26 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:07:16 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:59 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 09:14:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1206.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:07 <peter1138> pom te pom 09:27:39 <roboboy> grr 09:28:42 <peter1138> hehe, 5 fools downloaded it ;) 09:29:19 <roboboy> I nearly did 09:29:55 <blathijs> peter1138: Downloaded what? 09:33:13 <peter1138> my old train control patch 09:33:31 <peter1138> some fool was desperate for it, so i posted it for the first time 09:33:41 <peter1138> it's from r7490 :) 09:34:37 <roboboy> downloaded http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=121485 09:34:37 <roboboy> grr this laptop is so annoying 09:35:30 <Rubidium> peter1138: but it applies fine to 0.5 09:35:52 <Rubidium> well, some offsets 09:36:44 <peter1138> hehe 09:37:05 <Rubidium> it even compiles without warnings 09:38:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:45:57 <Rubidium> and works as it did 09:46:34 <peter1138> badly? 09:48:45 <planetmaker> peter1138, I guess looking at it counts as download... 09:48:58 <peter1138> well yes 09:50:09 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 09:59:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F8E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm183.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:28:34 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:42:43 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:30 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 10:59:21 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:32 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B12D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:10:39 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:11:19 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 11:12:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0079.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:12:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:12:55 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:00 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [] 11:25:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:23 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:45 <peter1138> lol 11:39:52 <peter1138> idiot posted a binary 11:40:19 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 11:41:37 <Rubidium> peter1138: does it contain COPYING and such? 11:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so how long until someone complains "i cannot load my safegame"? 11:42:41 <peter1138> not any more 11:42:51 <TrueBrain> safegame? New kind of safety? 11:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever 11:43:19 * TrueBrain hugs Eddi|zuHause 11:43:26 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:31 <TrueBrain> 5M downloads on BaNaNaS :) :) :) 11:45:41 <Rubidium> old news 11:45:47 <TrueBrain> not for me 11:46:01 <TrueBrain> and not 'that' old, as it is just 74k over it 11:46:18 <peter1138> cool 11:46:31 <peter1138> 0 downloads on uk.binaries.openttd.org :P 11:46:43 <TrueBrain> mirror system is still not live, yes 11:47:14 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 11:47:20 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what changed on the 2nd of November? Stats normally showed a good multiple in 'sites' against 'visitors', but since the 2nd of Nov it no longer does ... 11:47:51 <Rubidium> http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd/2009/12/13#19:54 11:48:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: no clue; maybe the proxy was introduced then? 11:48:33 <TrueBrain> that was longer ago, not? 11:48:39 <Rubidium> don't know 11:48:48 <TrueBrain> that was in Aug 11:49:30 <TrueBrain> 13% of the request is either 403 or 404 ... 11:49:45 <TrueBrain> 1% is still hammering a long-gone RSS feed ... 11:50:31 <TrueBrain> and less than 0.5% was due to malfunctioning of a httpd (somewhere between proxy and end-httpd) 11:51:55 <TrueBrain> and the 'country' pie is WEIRD 11:52:08 <Rubidium> pie, where? I like 11:52:13 <peter1138> mm pie 11:52:24 <TrueBrain> come over here, and you can ge tsome; I have to warn you, we have much less snow here 11:52:55 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: what's so weird about the pie? 11:53:32 <TrueBrain> France #1 in Okt 11:53:38 <TrueBrain> Germany #2 in Nov and Dec 11:54:05 <TrueBrain> but France dropped to #8 11:54:35 <Rubidium> maybe there was some French site that hotlinked our logo? 11:54:43 <TrueBrain> who knows 11:56:01 <Rubidium> Germany has been in the top #3 for the whole of 2009, so the second place isn't that odd 11:56:02 <dihedral> hehe - running codeswarm at work.... the repo has 46k revs and more :-D 11:56:20 <TrueBrain> Nov 08: 280k unique visitors 11:56:25 <TrueBrain> Nov 09: 306k unique visitors 11:56:53 <Rubidium> oh, maybe that was when we had that dos? 11:57:06 <TrueBrain> we had one? :p 11:57:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ddf4:9078:3e40:a359] has joined #openttd 11:57:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:57:40 <Rubidium> well... the site was slow and such; a dos that didn't quite cut it 11:57:53 <TrueBrain> Nov 08: 12M hits 11:57:56 <TrueBrain> Nov 09: 17M hits 11:58:04 <TrueBrain> still growing 11:59:32 <dihedral> <TrueBrain> we had one? :p <- probably some 13 year old who's patch was not accepted :-P 12:12:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:20:55 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 12:26:43 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.170.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:09 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:56 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aot105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:55:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:01:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1206.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06:38 <terinjokes> TrueBrain, et al: Sorry, I was asleep ;) I've got some questions about what versions of software you have building the Mac Nightlies 13:07:54 <terinjokes> Another person and I from #wxwidgets over on Freenode (we seem to have glued the network back together, heh) can't reproduce anything you have documented 13:11:46 <terinjokes> (and I read the warning, and was hoping you would be understanding) 13:19:06 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 13:19:14 <planetmaker> terinjokes, it's a patched gcc compiler doing its work in a VM which runs a flavour of linux IIRC 13:19:31 <planetmaker> with the apple APIs installed *somewhere* 13:19:48 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.182] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:23:50 *** sparrL [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has joined #openttd 13:35:24 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 13:37:31 <welshdragon> hm 13:37:42 <welshdragon> timetabling my trams has tsopped them bunching 13:41:45 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 13:42:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 13:43:50 *** Plimmer [~Plimmer@x1-6-00-1d-09-dd-43-93.k341.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:45:15 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you still lack autoseparation, but at least you can do manual separation now 13:51:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:32 <blathijs> DaleStan: I'm having a bit of trouble compiling nforenum, apparently <cstdio> must be included in pseudo.cpp 13:51:37 <blathijs> *sigh* 13:53:15 <blathijs> DaleStan: I also need "const" in the declaration of "temp" on getopt.cpp:501 13:54:49 <planetmaker> blathijs, what compiler do you use and what version? 13:55:08 <planetmaker> and what does you makefile.local tell you? 13:56:37 <planetmaker> gcc (SUSE Linux) 4.3.1 20080507 (prerelease) [gcc-4_3-branch revision 135036] <-- doesn't complain 13:56:48 <Ammler> http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd-devel-nforenum/nforenum-gcc44.patch <-- I patched it that way to have it working on obs 13:56:52 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:42 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:58:00 <Ammler> !s/I/fedora maintainers/ ;-) 14:00:07 <planetmaker> hm... what compiler do you use that you need it, Ammler ? I just wonder... 14:00:55 <peter1138> gcc 4.4.x, one would assume from the file name 14:01:23 <Ammler> the patch is backwards compatible, also older gcc works with it. 14:02:04 <Ammler> (I just took the patch from fedoraproject.org) 14:05:43 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]] 14:09:59 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1206.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:56 <planetmaker> he... yes, those who can read are at a distinct advantage :S 14:12:46 <blathijs> planetmaker: gcc version 4.4.2 (Debian 4.4.2-5) 14:14:26 <blathijs> Ammler: Ah, that's nearly what I did (but I used cstdio instead of fstream because http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstdio/EOF/ suggests that's the "official" place to look for EOF) 14:17:31 *** ptr_ [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 14:17:44 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:44 *** ptr_ is now known as ptr 14:19:46 <Ammler> blathijs: is that also backwards compatible? 14:20:39 <Ammler> I could test it on obs, if you want... 14:23:27 <blathijs> Ammler: Dunno, I'd expect so. I don't think that reference is directly related to gcc releases or something. 14:23:39 <blathijs> Ammler: If you could test, please do 14:24:04 <Ammler> well, what do I need to change on the patch? 14:24:08 <Rubidium> terinjokes: the versions of the tools used are described in the document (assuming you're looking at the same document that I'm looking at; http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/compile-farm/apple-darwin9.txt) 14:25:00 <Rubidium> blathijs' diff doesn't look terribly 'older compilers are going to fail on this' 14:25:24 <TrueBrain> terinjokes: and if that doesn't work for anyone else, it is 'too bad'; it works for us. There is also a page: http://cross-compile.info/wiki/Main_Page, which contains slightly more up-to-date information 14:25:43 <TrueBrain> (it is fully based on above mentioned documentation) 14:27:01 <Ammler> [15:24] <Rubidium> blathijs' diff doesn't look terribly 'older compilers are going to fail on this' <-- where do I find that? 14:27:44 <peter1138> include cstdio instead of fstream 14:29:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@92.21.40.168] has joined #openttd 14:35:43 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:42:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.177.138] has joined #openttd 14:42:13 <blathijs> Ammler: Yeah, what peter1138 said 14:42:54 <Ammler> yep, I already run it that way seems to work down to all distros on obs 14:43:02 <Ammler> wondering about SLES9 14:43:14 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 14:43:42 <Luukland> Is it correct that wood isn't the best product to transport in desert environment? I look at the cargo graph and diamonds is now first? 14:45:13 <blathijs> Is there any chance real releases of nforenum will be done in the future? 14:47:59 <Ammler> well, renum isn't the only one, the other "tools" don't have real releases either (cat|grfcodec 14:48:45 <Rubidium> nforenum and grfcodec have had real releases. catcodec won't get them 14:49:33 <Ammler> blathijs: don't you have boost issues with renum building? 14:50:06 <Rubidium> so you might need to use 3.4.6-r2267-1 as version 14:50:38 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.182] has joined #openttd 14:51:06 <Ammler> SLES9 doesn't build: http://pastebin.ca/1718226, well not really necessary ;-) 14:52:06 <Ammler> (gcc 3.3 14:52:24 *** Luukland [~Hassan@ip195-211-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:53:52 <blathijs> Rubidium: I'm going for 3.4.6+svn2267-1 14:54:02 <blathijs> Ammler: And no, no boost issues, no 14:54:30 <planetmaker> blathijs, that sounds like a terrible versioning scheme. Just the svn version suffices 14:54:55 <planetmaker> It has A LOT of changes wrt 3.4.6. It's like similar to 2.0 and current nightlies for TTDP 14:55:01 <blathijs> planetmaker: What if 3.4.7 is released? 14:55:21 <blathijs> Or 3.5 for that matter? 14:55:22 <blathijs> 4.0? 14:55:41 <Rubidium> or 3.5 which is a branch? and 3.5.3 gets a revision higher that 3.6? 14:55:47 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:56:10 <blathijs> Rubidium: Fair point indeed :-) 14:56:33 <Ammler> at least the + is better than - 14:56:53 <planetmaker> blathijs, does that matter, if you only use the svn version number r2267? 14:56:58 <planetmaker> That doesn't matter then... 14:57:14 <blathijs> planetmaker: As Rubidium pointed out, svn revisions might not be ordered properly 14:57:52 <blathijs> planetmaker: Also, if nforenum does regular releases again, it is quite confusing if those released version numbers are not used in the Debian package... 14:58:15 <Madis> how are the mini santas called in English 14:58:26 <Madis> the ones who help him with gift wrapping etc. 14:59:16 <blathijs> Madis: Santa's helpers, or his elves? (elfs?) 14:59:39 <Madis> kk 15:00:23 <Ammler> Madis: you call those "mini santas"? 15:01:27 <Ammler> are you working on a "special christmas grf"? 15:01:50 <Madis> no, ammler, we call them "p?kapikud" 15:02:18 <Ammler> sounds nice ;-) 15:02:19 <Rubidium> I'd go for elves 15:02:43 <Madis> p?kapikk means word to word translated, foot-length 15:02:46 <Madis> :D 15:03:09 <Rubidium> hmmestonianiswrittenwithoutspaces? 15:03:19 <Madis> no, it is not 15:03:31 <Madis> but we have a lot of words which are written together 15:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidiumyoueverreadgerman? :p 15:04:03 <Madis> Estonian language is heavily influenced by German ;P 15:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i believe that 15:04:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: sadly enough, yes 15:05:32 <Rubidium> guess that's something that happens when you're a 42 minute walk away from Germany 15:05:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:01 <Madis> hah 15:06:08 <Ammler> blathijs: comfimed your patch works as fine as the fedora one... 15:06:28 <Madis> btw, we even call Germany "Saksamaa", from the Saxony.. 15:06:37 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 15:06:41 <blathijs> Ammler: k, thanks. Now dalestan should apply it and all will be well :-) 15:06:42 <Madis> "maa" being 'land' 15:06:46 <Madis> another word written together 15:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> "p?kapikk" <-- does that have any relation to "pikachu" ;) 15:07:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.utwente.de/ and http://www.saxion.de/ probably says enough about how close we're to Germany 15:07:49 <Madis> no 15:08:17 <Madis> p?kk is a dialect word for foot and pikk means long 15:09:04 <Madis> but p?kapikk has become a word of it's own.. not so much a word made of two words 15:09:05 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.40.168] has joined #openttd 15:09:11 <Madis> the meaning of it anyway 15:09:12 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@92.21.40.168] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:00 <blathijs> Is DaleStan still maintainer of the the nforenum code? 15:13:06 <Ammler> blathijs: you added boost to renum manually or how does it work on the old debian with boost < 1.39? 15:13:15 <Rubidium> blathijs: yes 15:13:20 <blathijs> Ammler: I've only tried on unstable 15:13:39 <blathijs> Then I'll wait until he shows up again. The COPYING file could use some clarification :-) 15:14:04 <Rubidium> in what sense? 15:14:22 <Rubidium> looks GPLv2-ish, or isn't it exactly GPLv2? 15:16:52 <Belugas> hello 15:17:03 <planetmaker> blathijs, you should post that in the tt-forums nforenum thread 15:17:10 <planetmaker> He seems to regularily read that 15:17:18 <planetmaker> At least that's my experience when I posted there. 15:17:28 <planetmaker> Unlike recently the grfcodec thread, though :S 15:17:35 <Rubidium> Ammler: blathijs isn't working on packaging it for old Debians 15:18:44 <Madis> Ammler should I be working on a Christmas grf? 15:19:07 <Rubidium> goooood afternoon Belugas... now I'm having the joys of solid rain too 15:19:29 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:19:34 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9CD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:42 <Madis> Rubidium what's the temperature over there? 15:20:00 <dihedral> < 20 C 15:20:32 <Rubidium> ~272K 15:21:59 <Madis> well it's -13C here ;) 15:22:01 <Madis> atm 15:22:23 <dihedral> lol 15:22:24 <Belugas> same in here 15:22:36 <Belugas> fucking freezing... 15:22:53 <Rubidium> in here it's like 290-293 K 15:23:05 <Belugas> :) 15:23:47 <blathijs> Rubidium: It just contains the GPLv2, along with the appendix saying "you should add a note specifying which version of the GPL to use" 15:24:55 <blathijs> Rubidium: It should say "Licensed under GPLv2 or later, GPLv2 is included here", like some/most?/all? source files say? 15:25:18 <Rubidium> ah, anyhow... COPYING is almost the same as OpenTTD's COPYING 15:25:46 <Rubidium> minus the address change, name change of LGPL and making Y2K 'compatible' 15:26:10 <blathijs> Rubidium: Yeah, but OpenTTD has a readme.txt with the licensing info 15:27:15 <Rubidium> ah, okay... so just a simple line saying: "This is licensed under version X of GPL, see COPYING.txt" 15:27:41 <blathijs> Yeah, exactly. 15:27:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e9ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:51 <Rubidium> hmm, is catcodec doing that? 15:28:42 <blathijs> Dunno, I started with the nforenum since that was the first thing opengfx complained about :-) 15:28:59 <Rubidium> ah :) 15:29:14 <Rubidium> oh, catcodec doesn't seem to have a readme 15:29:30 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 15:29:37 <Rubidium> it does mention the GPL version in each source file and in it's help 15:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: 290K indoor? that's fairly cold 15:31:32 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:45 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: does it need to be that warm in a room I don't use? 15:32:16 <Eddi|zuHause> when you say "in here", that would indicate that you use the room ;) 15:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and rooms that i don't use are way colder 15:32:53 <Rubidium> oh, well... I reckon that near the ventilation it's 290K 15:33:52 <Rubidium> blathijs: is a readme necessary for OpenTTD? It has a manpage to compensate though 15:34:41 <blathijs> Rubidium: Eh? OpenTTD already has a readme? 15:34:57 <blathijs> Rubidium: If you're referring to catcodec, I think it's useful to have a central place with license info 15:34:57 <Rubidium> blathijs: s/OpenTTD/catcodec/ :) 15:35:25 <blathijs> Rubidium: In every file is good, but it's not really useful if one has to manually check all files to be sure :-) 15:35:50 <blathijs> But a note on top of COPYING would probably be fine as well 15:36:08 <blathijs> (And removing the appendix from the GPL might be useful to prevent confusion, also for OpenTTD) 15:36:22 <Rubidium> but that wouldn't be packaged for Debian 15:38:51 <Rubidium> cp /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 COPYING && svn diff -x -b <- is empty, meaning it's the same to Debian's, which is probably better than "it's not the same", because then you'd have to research what changed etc. 15:42:55 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-7bf8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:43:36 <blathijs> Rubidium: Fair point, so a README is better, I guess 15:45:54 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 15:46:49 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:49:37 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aot105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 15:49:43 <xopek> hi 15:56:13 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]] 15:57:37 <Zuu> hi xopek 15:58:19 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.182] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:59:50 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 16:01:31 <sparrL> I am playing with large junction design for the first time. here is 1/4 of a LLL_RRR spiral hub for 3-tile trains. total size 65x65 with an 18x18 hole in the middle. thoughts, corrections? http://i45.tinypic.com/2mouo3a.png 16:04:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18521 /extra/catcodec/ (Makefile.bundle README catcodec.1): 16:04:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [catcodec] -Add: readme 16:04:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [catcodec] -Fix: spelling error in manpage 16:06:28 <SpComb^> it's not connected to anything, and doesn't have any trains on it 16:07:13 <sparrL> :-p 16:08:24 <fjb> 65 x 65 tiles for 3 tile short trains? 16:08:32 <sparrL> fjb: i am trying to shrink it 16:08:58 <sparrL> i've got a few ideas to utilize the central space, and possibly add some tunnels 16:09:11 <Markk> Original or realistic acceleration? 16:09:14 <fjb> And what happens when 4-tile short trains reach it? 16:10:02 <SpComb^> five tiles is better 16:10:04 <sparrL> Markk: an excellent question, to which i do not know the answer. i've been playing in #openttdcoop, and they want 2.5-tile curves for 3-tile trains, so that's what i've been practicing with 16:10:19 <sparrL> fjb: i expect it would slow down on some of the curves 16:10:28 <Markk> Okey :) 16:11:08 <sparrL> the "straight through" paths have some 3.5-tile curves 16:11:17 <SpComb^> also, what is an LLL_RRR spiral hub? 16:11:36 <sparrL> SpComb^: sorry... it's a junction for two 3-tracks-each-way lines 16:12:08 <sparrL> intersecting at an X (as opposed to a T) 16:12:19 <Markk> Like in this junction: http://cdn.solidfiles.net/i/0uIc.png 16:12:35 <Markk> No curve in that junction will make a train slow down at all 16:12:54 <Markk> Oh, was an old screenshot 16:13:06 <Markk> I've improved that junction from that point 16:13:24 <sparrL> kinda like that, but with more tracks in each direction, and no missing exit options 16:14:05 <SpComb^> fair amount of up-and-down 16:14:37 <sparrL> SpComb^: good point.. i could flatten a lot of it though 16:14:48 <Markk> Here is another one from the same map (and save): http://cdn.solidfiles.net/i/kobv.png 16:14:51 <SpComb^> sparrL: no missing exit options?! 16:15:21 <sparrL> in Markk's screenshots some trains coming into that junction can't exit in all 3 possible exit directions 16:15:31 <SpComb^> Markk: your junctions aren't really all that busy :P 16:15:36 <SpComb^> sparrL: and in yours, they can? 16:15:38 <sparrL> yes 16:15:54 <Markk> SpComb^: not at the moment of that junction 16:15:57 <SpComb^> then you must have posted the wrong screenshot or something 16:16:13 <sparrL> the screenshot is 1/4 of the hub 16:16:18 <sparrL> it is to be rotated 3 times 16:16:22 <SpComb^> ew 16:16:24 <sparrL> one side of a square hub 16:16:30 <SpComb^> Markk's game is still relatively sane 16:16:35 <sparrL> total size is 65x65 AFTER that 16:16:45 <SpComb^> does openttdcoop assume a flat plane of infinite size? 16:16:49 <sparrL> no :) 16:16:52 <sparrL> hence the desire to shrink it 16:17:06 <Markk> But I don't want any quene at all :P 16:17:09 <sparrL> the 2-tracks-each-way variant is a lot smaller, and finding a 20x20 flat plane is plausible in most games 16:17:40 <sparrL> Markk: your screenshots are of junctions for much less tracks 16:17:56 <SpComb^> they're also more organic 16:17:59 <sparrL> quite 16:18:10 <Markk> sparrL: Okey :P 16:18:20 <Markk> I use 4-tracks most of the times 16:18:39 <sparrL> the one i'm working on is for 3 northbound tracks, 3 southbound tracks, 3 east... 16:18:42 * SpComb^ preferrs 1-way tracks 16:18:46 <SpComb^> with reluctant upgrades to two-way 16:19:25 <sparrL> SpComb^: can't really complain about my 65x65 if Markk's are similar size 16:21:20 <sparrL> 63x63 :) 16:21:43 <sparrL> 61x61 16:22:00 <sparrL> i need to compile in the copy/paste patch 16:22:00 <sparrL> would make things like this easier 16:22:33 <SpComb^> you know there's a large number of people who oppose use of any copy/paste patch 16:25:12 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has joined #openttd 16:27:09 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't exactly oppose to the copy-paste patch, but i have exactly 0 use for it... 16:30:12 *** sparrL [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:48 <SpComb^> say no to pro-choice! 16:30:50 <SpComb^> I mean 16:31:02 <_ln> you so mean 16:32:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff41d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means 16:35:50 <sparrL2> Eddi|zuHause: it would save me a lot of time 16:35:55 <sparrL2> i'm not very fast with laying track 16:38:03 *** terinjokes [~terin@ip72-196-110-49.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:42 <Rubidium> it would save you a bit of time and guarantees more bugs 16:38:45 <Plimmer> sparrL2, use "a" "b" "e" "t", when I started using thoose keyboard shortcuts my build speed went up a bit. 16:39:00 <sparrL2> Plimmer: knew about those 16:39:05 <sparrL2> just today discovered using the number keys 16:39:16 <sparrL2> b 2 b 2 b 2 b 2 :) 16:39:27 <sparrL2> wish there was an option to display invalid bridges 16:39:32 <sparrL2> so the numbers wouldnt change 16:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Plimmer: i use the "r" key a lot 16:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and F1 ;) 16:41:23 <sparrL2> omg @ f1 for pause 16:41:27 <sparrL2> ive been using pause 16:41:34 <sparrL2> which is a fn+key on my laptop 16:42:16 <Eddi|zuHause> sparrL2: all the F-keys have a button associated 16:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and i think a second one with shift or ctrl, don't remember 16:43:01 <Plimmer> Arent you missing a tile at brige d after the bridge for a signal? 16:43:31 <Plimmer> And the same goes for h 16:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> sparrL2: and really the "a" key is one of the most important 16:43:57 <sparrL2> Plimmer: I was under the impression that you could have synced bridges without that extra tile if the bridges were sufficiently short? 16:44:08 <sparrL2> with just 2 signals at each end, instead of 3 16:44:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.178.131] has joined #openttd 16:44:29 <Plimmer> Oh, not sure about that. 16:44:31 <sparrL2> one being a path signal 16:44:49 <Plimmer> If thats what they say over at coop I wont argue. :) 16:46:39 <andythenorth> hai hai 16:46:48 <sparrL2> they mostly ignore my stupid signaling questions over there 16:47:11 <sparrL2> when i'm happy with the whole design i will make 3 copies and put a bunch of trains on it 16:47:47 <Plimmer> Somestimes I cant even understand their signalling. 16:48:11 <andythenorth> tum te tum 16:48:11 <andythenorth> http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/2009/12/the-worlds-largest-ore-carryin.html 16:48:24 * andythenorth (reaches for pixel crayons) 16:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> how is the "cargo trams" coming along? 16:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> brb... 16:49:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:58 <Plimmer> Do thoose drive on regular roads? 16:50:51 <andythenorth> there is a doctor's saying in the UK: 'normal for (insert place name)' 16:51:06 <andythenorth> I suspect they drive on roads that are 'normal for australia' 16:52:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18522 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Feature: add the possibility to not make new tree tiles in-game 17:00:20 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1206.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:43 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:20:09 <Eddi|zuHause> does that mean "trees spread only on tiles that already have a tree"? 17:20:27 <Rubidium> yes 17:20:33 <Rubidium> (and eventually die) 17:21:33 <Eddi|zuHause> it wouldn't be such a problem if the spread rate was remotely balanced to the death rate 17:22:19 <fjb> Virtual sheep. 17:24:01 *** Madis is now known as LordAzamath 17:24:08 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:25:56 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aot105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:25:57 *** LordAzamath is now known as Madis 17:28:10 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:30:57 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:27 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]] 17:38:05 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:02 *** sparrL2 [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:13 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm183.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: o] 17:45:32 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-71-16.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:46:04 <Timmaexx> Good Evening 17:48:02 *** sparrL [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has joined #openttd 17:48:47 <peter1138> damn, ttrs doesn't half produce a lot of passengers 17:49:18 <SpComb^> peter1138: giant screenshot 17:49:25 <SpComb^> even if it's 150MB 17:51:58 <peter1138> 28MB ~ 48KB/s 17:52:05 <peter1138> different game mind you 17:52:11 <peter1138> this time with newstations too 18:01:32 <peter1138> SpComb^, if you must... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/F%c3%bcrstenhaven%20Transport%2c%201926-02-04.png 18:02:13 <frosch123> "never click on giant screenshots" 18:03:23 <frosch123> btw. where is petert? noone shouted "feature, feature, will it get into 0.7.5"? 18:03:48 <peter1138> hehe 18:04:05 <peter1138> that map was generated with the heightmap curve 18:04:07 <peter1138> i quite like the result 18:04:51 <frosch123> but it still uses homogeneous noise amplitudes, right? 18:05:50 <planetmaker> he... yet another tgp knob or slider: slope of noise amplitudes? :-) 18:07:58 <frosch123> the word "knob" is reserved for undo-functionality 18:09:19 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-71-16.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:31 *** sparrL [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:32 <planetmaker> oh, sorry :-P 18:13:04 <planetmaker> (why did you have to remind me! I used that word in complete innocence!) 18:13:24 <Rubidium> why did you have to utter that word? 18:13:59 <planetmaker> I like to press knobs and shift sliders and... you know-what-not ;-) 18:14:57 <planetmaker> I was once told there are three levels of safety: easiest is children safe. Worse is physicists-safe and worst is medical-doctors-safe 18:15:35 <planetmaker> they were building machinery for hospitals in that company... 18:16:53 <Rubidium> what, making a successor of the therac-25? 18:18:06 * planetmaker has no idea what that might be. 18:19:07 <Rubidium> oh, a radiation machine that if pressing the wrong buttons can give you a lethal dosis 18:19:57 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:23 <Rubidium> http://sunnyday.mit.edu/papers/therac.pdf 18:20:25 <planetmaker> he... I guess they were mostly producing lasers or so... 18:20:35 <planetmaker> but sounds like a fun machinery :-P 18:22:04 <SpComb^> bit more complicated than just pressing the wrong buttons 18:22:12 <SpComb^> someone failed at their concurrent programming stuff 18:22:27 *** Splex [~splex@n058152254152.netvigator.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:37 <Rubidium> and management failed on doing proper testing 18:22:40 <Rubidium> and ... and ... 18:22:52 *** Splex [~splex@n058152254152.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 18:23:16 <SpComb^> testing for those kinds of issues in software is difficult 18:23:57 <Rubidium> true-ish; there are all kinds of model checkers to check whether your design is sound 18:24:10 <Rubidium> although that doesn't rule out implementation errors 18:24:39 <Rubidium> on the other hand doing a review might help in reducing implementation errors, especially if it's compared with the model checked model 18:25:19 <planetmaker> and there's always such things as testing the whole product ... kinda proto-type testing... 18:25:40 <Rubidium> but then again, that's expensive... and like Boeing and Airbus human life it's part of the cost calculations 18:26:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what did that airline pay for a death? 20.000EUR? 18:26:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the french one 18:26:52 <Eddi|zuHause> that's really negligible comparing to the cost of development and testing 18:27:17 <Rubidium> yes, although the 'image' has value too 18:27:22 <planetmaker> well... but not in terms of image. which is an expensive and ... 18:27:38 <planetmaker> ... quite difficult thing to manage and 'buy' 18:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of difficult? that's exactly what pr-companies are selling 18:28:48 <Rubidium> advertising is stupid 18:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> pr does not only consist of advertising 18:29:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:52 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:29:57 <Rubidium> if one company starts advertising the others have to start in order to not lose their market. As such they are all advertising to retain their market... which would work exactly as well as when they didn't advertise. 18:31:01 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: mixing alpine with opengfx in the wrong order? those shores look really ugly 18:37:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:38:38 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:49 <frosch123> he, doesn't ogfx use the 10 sprite version? 18:39:37 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that is an ogfx bug 18:40:12 <planetmaker> hm... can you be more specific what is wrong there? 18:40:27 <planetmaker> yes, I see the result. That doesn't look nice... 18:40:35 <planetmaker> But... 18:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i only see the result, i can't say what's wrong 18:42:11 <frosch123> planetmaker: i described it on the wiki 18:42:21 <frosch123> there is a 16 and a 10 sprite version for shore action5 18:42:44 <frosch123> basesets should use to 10 sprite version, as that one is deactivated when newgrfs replace shore using actiona 18:43:06 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:43:15 <planetmaker> ok... and obviously in ogfxe_extra it uses 16? 18:43:27 <frosch123> it works with openttdw/d.grf 18:43:29 <frosch123> :p 18:43:33 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, as opengfx is a base set... hard to get it the wrong order 18:43:51 <frosch123> anyway, i am leaving for sports 18:43:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff41d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:07 <planetmaker> yes, they have 16 tiles for each climate. 18:44:50 <Eddi|zuHause> alpine is too old, so it has only the 10 tile version, which cannot overwrite the 16 tile version anymore? 18:45:05 <planetmaker> maybe. I don't know. 18:45:09 <planetmaker> Might be worth testing 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18523 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 5 changes by habell 18:45:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 changes by jpx_ 18:45:50 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: french - 4 changes by glx 18:45:50 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 8 changes by planetmaker 18:45:52 <planetmaker> he... 'programming' opengfx was easy. Till all those nasty details started to surface... 18:46:06 <planetmaker> :-) 18:46:29 <planetmaker> or should I say 'ignorance is a bliss'? 18:52:10 *** ptr [~peter@p123-n250.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 18:53:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 18:56:11 <ashb> /w 276 18:58:49 <planetmaker> ? 19:04:12 *** fjb is now known as Guest459 19:04:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D263.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:04 <Belugas> ashb : please, if you like noise, do your noise somewhere else 19:05:17 <Belugas> [12:00] <ashb> W 39 <--- from yesterday 19:05:47 <ashb> yeah its this keyboard. need to setup irssi filters 19:05:48 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@82.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 19:05:55 <ashb> (aka sorry) 19:06:06 <Belugas> apologies accepted :) 19:07:02 <peter1138> also 19:07:11 <peter1138> if you have 276 windows, perhaps you ought to ... leave it a bit 19:07:54 <ashb> no - that was also the new keyboard, i have about 40 19:08:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1206.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:16 <andythenorth> hmm 19:09:20 <andythenorth> my town is dying :( 19:09:26 <andythenorth> 800 -> 160 19:09:31 <andythenorth> (inhabitants) 19:09:54 <Rubidium> you killed its heart? 19:10:44 <SpComb^> *your* town? 19:11:08 *** Guest459 [~frank@p5485F8E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:40 <andythenorth> oh, it just built a stadium! 19:12:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:12 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1206.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:54 <Eddi|zuHause> am i too un-geek-y if i am only in like 6 channels? 19:19:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.178.131] has left #openttd [] 19:19:41 <SpComb^> I know a few good ones you could join 19:22:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:24:25 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 19:42:53 <peter1138> is sacro in them? 19:45:01 *** sparrL [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has joined #openttd 19:45:14 <peter1138> toyland map generator doesn't work :/ 19:46:09 <planetmaker> hm? 19:51:16 <peter1138> try it 19:53:44 <planetmaker> which map generator? Original or terragen? 19:54:01 <planetmaker> it always worked for me... that's why I'm asking 19:54:15 <peter1138> original, with original graphics 19:54:42 <peter1138> hmm 19:54:47 <peter1138> maybe it's the grfs i have loaded 19:54:48 <peter1138> never mind 19:55:11 <peter1138> bloody grfs 19:55:13 <peter1138> useless things 19:55:23 <planetmaker> hm... original indeed looks ugly. But the same shit as with the other climates. Wrong sprites... 19:56:29 <sparrL> Plimmer: here's a bigger one, for 3 tracks each way: http://i49.tinypic.com/2vvqan7.png 19:57:23 <sparrL> i mean, smaller 19:57:26 <sparrL> it takes up less space :) 20:01:50 <fjb> Now you only need to generate a world around. 20:02:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF917F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:07:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b0:f89b:1:3d66:2288:55b4:daca] has joined #openttd 20:09:27 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the use of this abomination? 20:09:38 <Noldo> planetmaker: do you know how the map generator sprites in opengfx were created? 20:10:23 <sparrL> Eddi|zuHause: 4 of them (ignoring the duplicated part by the letters) makes a "complete" junction for 3 tracks in each direction 20:10:37 <sparrL> complete insofar as each incoming train can exit in any direction 20:10:50 <sparrL> on the (relatively) same track it entered on 20:11:35 <planetmaker> Noldo: I have no idea. I don't even know *where* they are. 20:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember that someone put random noise in them, and rubidium had to add a function that makes a sanity check on the sprites 20:13:40 <Yexo> that's right Eddi|zuHause 20:13:58 <Yexo> unless something has changed the map generator sprites in opengfx are random noise 20:14:09 <planetmaker> I searched OpenTTD's source code for the sprite numbers. But I didn't find them. Any clue? 20:14:20 <Yexo> I'll have a look 20:14:30 <planetmaker> I didn't find them in OpenGFX either. Unless I look through 1000s of lines manually... 20:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> check src/table/sprites.h? 20:14:47 <planetmaker> I did. Either I'm blind or it's not in there 20:15:15 <planetmaker> I looked at all src/table/*.h files for that matter... 20:15:40 <planetmaker> and tgp.* and the other terrain generation files whose names I forgot 20:15:51 <Yexo> landscape.cpp:715 20:17:02 <planetmaker> thanks, Yexo 20:17:23 <Yexo> looks like it's 4845 and onward 20:17:27 <Yexo> does that make sense? 20:17:47 <peter1138> they're in one of the sub-files, not r1 20:17:49 <peter1138> er, 1r? 20:18:34 <peter1138> logos.grf 20:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i should pay attention to what i update... 20:18:42 <peter1138> ogfxi_logos.grf, i mean 20:19:09 <peter1138> sprites 52 to 88 20:19:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i removed kdebase3 [contains kate], and installing kate (kde4) isn't done yet... 20:19:36 <planetmaker> totally right, peter1138 . Thanks! 20:20:11 <Noldo> I looked at the original sprites once 20:20:32 <peter1138> if you look at the originals you can see it's clearly a bit of heightmap 20:20:51 <Rubidium> static inline bool IsMapgenSpriteID(SpriteID sprite) { return IsInsideMM(sprite, 4845, 4882); } 20:21:11 <peter1138> of course, you can't do that due to copyright/clean-room ... ;) 20:21:16 <peter1138> Rubidium, mmm, numbers ;) 20:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> MAGIC NUMBERS I BANISH THEE! 20:22:12 <Noldo> would it be possible to convert the sprites so that each color index would appear as a shade of gray? 20:22:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: the colours are purely client side 20:22:56 <Noldo> for editing I mean 20:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd only cares about the palette index 20:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you can change the local palette 20:23:16 <planetmaker> well... one can always use other height maps. 20:29:08 <Yexo> the map generator sprites are heighmaps. Several of those are rotated/mirrored and combined in the actual map 20:29:51 <Yexo> combining is done by first setting the height of all tiles to 0, then several random heighmap sprites are chosen and each applied in turn 20:30:36 <Yexo> when a heightmap sprite is applied first a random location and orientation and chosen, then the height of all tiles in the to-be-updated area is set to the max of the current height and the value from the heighmap 20:31:07 <Yexo> only the lower 4 bits of each byte in the heighmap sprite are used 20:32:06 <Yexo> so basically store some simple heightmaps in those sprites and see if that gives better results then the current random noise 20:33:24 <peter1138> it will 20:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> the question is: does anybody ever use the original map generator? 20:34:23 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> oh i remember TTO, where you had only one kind of mountain... 20:35:59 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 20:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so why does it suddenly say "*** WARNING: Direct Rendering is NOT enabled" 20:37:18 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: probably none of the people who play nightlies 20:39:27 *** zodttd2 is now known as zodttd 20:44:12 *** sparrL [~kvirc@64.241.37.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:35 * planetmaker just adds random patches pink to the blue mapgen sprites 20:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: like i said, you can change the palette to something more heightmap-style 20:50:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:23 <SpComb^> peter1138: boo, you should have given me a giant screenshot of your earlier game :( 20:51:40 <SpComb^> the new one is yet quite dull 20:52:38 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:56 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:09 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:01:53 <Noldo> Yexo: so none of the sprites has any special role? is just picks some at random combines them? 21:02:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-156-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:02:38 <Yexo> some of them are only picked in a certain climate 21:02:46 <Yexo> so it's not completely random 21:04:29 <Noldo> and lower 4 bits means I need only the first 2^4 colors defined? 21:04:45 <Yexo> I guess so 21:10:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:32 <peter1138> also known as '16' 21:18:46 <Noldo> hmm, why did I choose red and green when they are the colors I have problems separating 21:19:48 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.80] has joined #openttd 21:20:10 <planetmaker> hm... that's strange. I use the same colours as the original sprites... but my maps are WAY flatter... :S 21:20:45 <planetmaker> even putting the mountains in the same sprites only, doesn't help... 21:20:47 <planetmaker> strange 21:21:23 <planetmaker> Noldo: you work on those sprites? 21:21:45 <Noldo> well, trying to create a nice colormap first 21:22:43 <planetmaker> http://colorbrewer2.org/ <-- use one of those, maybe? 21:22:53 <planetmaker> even you should then be able to discern them. 21:22:59 <Noldo> NIH! 21:24:24 <planetmaker> so... can I assign the task to come up with a new version of mapgen.pcx and rely on that? 21:24:50 <planetmaker> :-) 21:27:36 <SpComb^> is the OpenTTDCoop newgrf pack still maintained? 21:28:06 <planetmaker> well... sort of. But we won't add new newgrfs anymore 21:28:12 <SpComb^> wondering becaues 7.3 was released last year, it has and old version of the german road vehicles, and using it causes all the default vehicles to show up in the game early 21:28:16 <planetmaker> We like to encourage the use of bananas 21:28:51 <planetmaker> there's a new version planned somewhen, though 21:29:10 <planetmaker> for very good reasons we might add a newgrf, but... 21:29:47 <planetmaker> is there no version of the GermanRV on bananas? 21:29:51 <SpComb^> well, bugreport: enableing germanrw.grf causes all the default vehicles to show up in the year 1920, in addition to the german ones 21:29:55 <SpComb^> not that I can see 21:30:02 <planetmaker> which version do you use? 21:30:05 <SpComb^> of? 21:30:14 <planetmaker> the one from the coop pack? of the GermanRV set. 21:30:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff41d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:43 <planetmaker> there's somewhere version 0.21 or so. 21:30:48 <SpComb^> yeah, I noticed 21:31:00 <SpComb^> haven't tried it yet, will do 21:33:16 <fjb> GermanRV modifies the original vehicles because the set still lacks trucks. 21:34:24 <SpComb^> hmm, 0.21 just complains that its incompatible with HOVS UK Bus Set, but I don't have that activated 21:34:52 <SpComb^> fjb: but is it supposed to make them all available in the year 1920? 21:35:13 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: there should be a parameter to disable the compatibility checks 21:35:36 <fjb> 0.2 deactivates itself when it finds any road vehicles set it knows about. I found only the hover craft bus. 21:36:09 <fjb> Not all 1920, but it makes some appear earlier so you have trucks in 1920. 21:37:13 <SpComb^> ah, didn't read that version of the readme... but adding a parameter of 1 doesn't help 21:37:31 <SpComb^> and as far as I can tell, it's the only rv set that I have enabled 21:37:40 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46351 21:37:40 <planetmaker> 0.2.1 has that fixed wrt 0.2 21:38:18 <SpComb^> this is v0.21 21:38:53 <SpComb^> released last week 21:39:24 <planetmaker> ok, then it (still) doesn't work. Make a bug report for the author 21:42:20 <SpComb^> hmm, not on IRC 21:43:02 <planetmaker> nope 21:43:13 <Noldo> do the grf generating tools care about the colormap/palette ? 21:43:28 <planetmaker> well... usually yes 21:43:58 <Noldo> so I can't rip the extra colors out of mapgen.pcx's map :/ 21:44:09 <planetmaker> TTD windows palette is what OpenGFX uses 21:44:20 <planetmaker> hu? 21:44:30 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e9ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: gn8] 21:44:36 <SpComb^> do the grf tools work on linux? 21:44:43 <planetmaker> yes. 21:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Noldo: afair grfcodec can discard the palette 21:44:53 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/download-grfcodec 21:45:04 <planetmaker> and nforenum and catcodec 21:45:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:34 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: yes. But only for a whole (new)grf. The other sprites need the palette. Thus the mapgen sprites, too 21:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: if it uses the palette indexes, nothing should go wrong 21:46:56 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:48:59 <SpComb^> hmm, it wants upx for compiling 21:49:19 <Rubidium> just remove the lines with UPX :) 21:53:15 <peter1138> pointless crap 21:53:18 <Ammler> SpComb^: you might need this patch too: http://obs.openttdcoop.org/specs/openttd-devel-grfcodec/compile.patch 21:53:28 <Ammler> gcc44 21:55:03 <SpComb^> 14 * 9 07 88 04 gg 44 44 04 01 01 21:55:03 <SpComb^> 15 * 59 0B 03 7F "?HOVS UK Bus Set is incompatible, " 21:56:29 <Eddi|zuHause> so you have a grf with id 44440401 active 21:56:29 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:47 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:57:14 <SpComb^> 444404 21:57:59 <SpComb^> oh wait, yes 21:58:12 <SpComb^> but it is not active, the germanrv is the only grf that is loaded/active 21:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know your grf list 22:01:06 <SpComb^> the "NewGRF Settings" window only lists one GRF 22:02:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b0:f89b:1:3d66:2288:55b4:daca] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:02:34 <SpComb^> but the "Available NewGRF files" window does list HOVS and many more 22:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but those should not count... 22:03:53 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-76-22-143-21.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:58 <SpComb^> so I thought 22:04:13 <Noldo> is there some HOWTO on compiling OpenGFX? 22:05:08 <sparrL> Yexo: for the map generator sprites, storing pseudo-random waveforms of different frequency would produce nice results if the heights were added 22:05:16 <sparrL> not sure how the max() operation will affect it 22:06:03 <planetmaker> Noldo: in principle yes: the readme ;-) 22:06:28 <planetmaker> in practical terms: have you a hg checkout of the repository? Or a de-compiled version? 22:06:37 <Noldo> hg 22:06:48 <planetmaker> then a simple make should do 22:06:54 <Noldo> and got grfcodec on the path too 22:07:00 <planetmaker> you need also gcc 22:07:03 <planetmaker> and renum 22:07:13 <Noldo> maybe it's renum 22:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: it works here... 22:08:24 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc60.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:24 <planetmaker> Noldo: oh... and you need md5sum 22:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... brick chain doesn't work in arctic? 22:10:10 <planetmaker> all clay frozen. No bricks baked 22:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i could use it with alpine, though... 22:12:20 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: hrm, I am running OpenTTD r18495 22:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm running r18450M, there shouldn't be a lot of changes 22:13:07 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc60.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 22:13:34 <SpComb^> hmm, fails for me with clean trunk r15890 as well 22:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause> you are doing something wrong ;) 22:15:24 <Eddi|zuHause> feature(-ish) request: when the town name grf is not loaded anymore, fall back to the previously used "default" name set, not english 22:15:34 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dbb7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:34 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:47 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:16:25 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: that information is not stored in the savegame 22:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: not savegame, main menu 22:17:02 <Noldo> Sleep now, retry tomorrow 22:17:07 <Yexo> even there the information is not saved currently 22:17:13 <Yexo> but that could be implemented I guess 22:17:38 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: where did you download the .grf from? 22:17:46 <SpComb^> could you give me a copy of yours? 22:17:55 <Eddi|zuHause> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/germanrv/index.php?lang=de 22:19:58 <SpComb^> mine shows with an md5sum of 332fc1...b94918 22:21:02 <sparrL> is there a GRF set that gets rid of the 'noise' on grass and water tiles? 22:21:06 <sparrL> would make screenshots a lot smaller 22:21:37 <SpComb^> my unzip must be broken and flipping bits or something 22:22:04 <SpComb^> 332fc1c583de9b329349d9dc0bb94918 for germanrvw.grf 22:22:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF917F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what mine says, too 22:23:14 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18524 /extra/catcodec/ (README catcodec.cpp findversion.sh): [catcodec] -Fix: make catcodec compile when it's not a repository checkout 22:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.openttd.org': Invalid argument" <-- ?!? 22:23:51 <Rubidium> lol 22:23:54 <SpComb^> then it doesn't make much sense, I've tried this with r18523 22:24:16 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: did you forget to add "svn://" in front of it? 22:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: i just did "svn up" 22:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause> in my working copy that i have used for years 22:25:10 <Rubidium> it works for me 22:25:23 <Eddi|zuHause> probably a local problem 22:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> system, not network 22:25:54 <SpComb^> I'll try with a self-compiled 0.7.4 for good measure 22:27:22 <SpComb^> nope... 22:31:09 <SpComb^> there needs to be some kind of openttd-grf debugger :( 22:31:23 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:25 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aot105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:31:45 <SpComb^> for single-stepping through NFO 22:31:49 *** APTX [~APTX@ks32603.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 22:31:57 <sparrL> is it intentional that modifying the map smoothness doesn't affect the difficulty rating? i find that a smooth un-flat map is often easier to play on than an un-smooth flat map, but difficulty is linked to flatness and not smoothness 22:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: just change the 0B into a 0C, then it will get ignored ;) 22:32:47 <Rubidium> lots of settings can be changed to change difficulty but they don't influence the difficulty setting 22:32:56 <sparrL> what i mean is... 22:33:09 <sparrL> if you modify the flatness, you cannot play Easy / Medium / Hard, just Custom 22:33:14 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: something else will probably break after that... 22:33:15 <sparrL> but you can modify the smoothness and stay in Easy 22:33:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff41d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:32 <Rubidium> arguably medium with build on slopes disabled and the original acceleration is harder than hard with build on slopes enabled and 'realistic' acceleration 22:35:04 <sparrL> sure, but no advanced settings affect difficulty 22:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i think realistic acceleration is way too easy (compared with the original) 22:35:37 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: heh, now it did load 22:35:45 <sparrL> in this case there are two basic map settings, and their affect on the difficulty rating is disproportionate to their actual difficulty 22:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and the freight train multiplicator doesn't cut it 22:38:24 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18525 /extra/catcodec/findversion.sh: [catcodec] -Fix (r18524): didn't give the version the compile farm expects 22:38:31 <SpComb^> I can't really report a bug to the GRF author if it works for you, though :/ 22:39:33 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:39:41 <SpComb^> except... I think I may see it 22:40:20 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:28 <fjb> Who cares for easy or difficult setting any way? 22:40:37 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:41 <_ln> so when can we build cargo trams? 22:40:51 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:07 <SpComb^> 12 * 6 07 85 01 78 02 22:41:07 <SpComb^> 13 * 6 09 00 01 = 01 E0 22:41:07 <SpComb^> 14 * 9 07 88 04 gg 44 44 04 01 01 22:41:07 <SpComb^> 15 * 59 0C 03 7F "<FF>HOVS UK Bus Set is incompatible, " 22:41:17 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: when you load a grf that contains them 22:41:23 <SpComb^> that first action7 skips right to the actionB 22:41:33 <SpComb^> so if you don't have dynamicengines on, it fails 22:41:48 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: can you try turning dynamicengines off and see if the germanrv grf fails with that error? 22:42:16 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:32 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 22:42:56 <peter1138> ~ 22:43:01 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: confirmed 22:43:09 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: shall i report it? 22:43:10 <SpComb^> yay, I can send a .nfo patch \o/ 22:43:15 <SpComb^> I can 22:43:47 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, there's hardly a reason to disable that setting ;) 22:44:10 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 22:44:40 <SpComb^> well, for some reason it's off for me 22:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's off by default 22:45:13 <Eddi|zuHause> some of the default settings should be reviewed for newbie-friendliness 22:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> most of the default settings are for ttd-compatibility 22:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but hardly any newbie will want that... 22:46:27 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-76-22-143-21.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:21 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then come up with an improvement... 22:54:02 <SpComb^> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=841198#p841198 22:54:04 <SpComb^> diff'd 22:55:29 <SpComb^> now... what was I doing... oh yes, I was trying to play a game of OpenTTD :P 22:59:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:59:13 <SpComb^> cargodist, daylength factor, 512x512 alpine, no industries, low towns, german trains/vehicles 22:59:57 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-103-143.idi.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:28 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:30 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i like industries :( 23:03:47 <SpComb^> I like long distances between towns 23:03:54 <SpComb^> gives you room to build 23:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i like many villages 23:04:47 <SpComb^> well, I'd preferr to have too few towns as opposed to too many currently, while playing with cargodist 23:06:31 <SpComb^> also, whoever had to idea of making cloned vehicles detect and increment a number suffix on the vehicle's name is a genius 23:07:07 <peter1138> hmm, who wrote that one? 23:11:30 <Rubidium> that Nelson guy? 23:11:30 <Rubidium> what was his nick? uhm... petert? 23:11:30 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-069-132-094-107.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:11:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Ha Ha! :p 23:11:30 *** terinjokes [~terin@ip72-196-123-143.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:30 <Prof_Frink> I dunno, but he has a mighty column. 23:11:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18526 /extra/catcodec/catcodec.1: [catcodec] -Fix: some mans rather like .sp to denote newlines than an actual empty line, which is accepted by some other mans 23:11:30 *** xorkrus [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has joined #openttd 23:11:30 <peter1138> @openttd commit 15621 23:11:30 <DorpsGek> peter1138: Commit by peter1138 :: r15621 trunk/src/vehicle.cpp (2009-03-05 17:37:56 UTC) 23:11:30 <DorpsGek> peter1138: -Feature: When cloning a vehicle with a custom name, add and/or increment a number at the end of name and assign it to the new vehicle (for emma) 23:11:30 <peter1138> ohhh him 23:11:30 <terinjokes> TrueBrain: the only thing that isn't mention in the documentation is which version of GCC you used to compile the apple version of odcctools 23:11:30 <terinjokes> (and I respect if you don't want to answer, and I'll bang my head trying to figure it out on my own) 23:11:30 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d459.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:52 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 23:12:26 <Rubidium> terinjokes: Debian's gcc-4.3 of about a year ago works 23:13:34 <terinjokes> Rubidium: k, about the version I'm using... even checked out the same revision of odcctools from the svn, and no go... let me try again (thanks for the help you are giving) 23:13:53 *** xopek [~xopknet@92.46.175.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:58 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-093-098.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:15:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so who the fuck is emma? 23:15:53 <peter1138> presumably an ottd player 23:16:14 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Alice's friend. 23:16:30 <Rubidium> terinjokes: what Linux are you using? TrueBrain uses Gentoo and for Debian I had to modify some stuff to get it compiling (different headers and such) 23:16:44 <Eddi|zuHause> Alice and Emma -- Lesbian Action? 23:17:44 <Prof_Frink> Alice, Alice, who the fuck is Alice? 23:17:44 <terinjokes> Rubidium: I have CrunchBang (a derivative of Ubuntu) in VM.... I'm a Gentoo user nativally, and don't mind doing an install to the VM 23:18:14 <terinjokes> Prof_Frink: she has a restuarant in New Jersey (near all that transportation!) 23:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: yes, i did have that phrase in mind when writing that ;) 23:18:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany we have so called "aunt emma shops" 23:21:51 <peter1138> Alice, what's the matter? 23:26:37 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: yexo * r18527 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: an industry newgrf that defined a too small size for action0 prop 0A could cause a crash 23:27:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9CD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Die Nützlichkeit der Götter war schon immer eine zweifelhafte Sache. Man wusste nie so genau, wie man sie wirksam einsetzen konnte, ohne dass sie gleich b] 23:32:11 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:30 <terinjokes> Rubidium: ? 23:35:40 <Rubidium> terinjokes: ! 23:35:42 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 23:36:03 <terinjokes> Rubidium: you mentioned you had to change things under debian? 23:36:26 <Rubidium> yes, add some 'missing' headers IIRC 23:37:48 <terinjokes> Rubidium: you mean from that big long error i get ;) 23:38:05 <Rubidium> yes; maybe http://devs.openttd.org/~rubidium/osx.tar.bz2 can help you 23:39:19 <Rubidium> no idea which odcctools that's based upon, although it might be after they merged some of TB's patches 23:39:35 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-069-132-094-107.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:44 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-069-132-094-107.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:40:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:40:20 <terinjokes> Rubidium: they did 23:40:28 <terinjokes> the last two on that page actually 23:46:54 <TrueBrain> [00:10] <terinjokes> TrueBrain: the only thing that isn't mention in the documentation is which version of GCC you used to compile the apple version of odcctools <- any gcc3+ should work; it might give some warnings; if you are not able to fix those yourself, cross-compiling is not for you :) 23:48:21 <terinjokes> TrueBrain: i got cross-compile working with Windows... and I'm determined to get it working for OSX... ;) 23:51:59 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:07 <TrueBrain> so did I, and I succeeded .. where everyone told me it was impossible ;) 23:53:22 <TrueBrain> Gentoo btw is easiest to use for this 23:53:38 <peter1138> cos you have to compile everything anyway? 23:53:45 <peter1138> woot, maps with variation 23:53:50 <terinjokes> TrueBrain: yes... except I don't have a VM image for Gentoo (even though I run it natively!) 23:54:01 <TrueBrain> download one 23:54:03 <TrueBrain> create one 23:54:05 <TrueBrain> ;) 23:54:15 <TrueBrain> but, Rubidium has it running on Debian, so that is possible too 23:54:22 <TrueBrain> latest odcctools needs more patching then that document says 23:54:24 <terinjokes> download one? then why bother using Gentoo? 23:54:35 <TrueBrain> you can download a Gentoo VM 23:54:52 <terinjokes> TrueBrain: i checkout revision 280 ;) 23:55:31 <TrueBrain> well, I have to say it correctly: odcctools added some of my patches 23:55:36 <TrueBrain> the latest cctools needs more patching 23:55:46 <TrueBrain> and the last time I checked odcctools, they had most of them 23:56:06 <TrueBrain> odcctools should be the easiest of them all 23:56:11 <TrueBrain> don't bother with otools and friends 23:56:14 <terinjokes> TrueBrain: my testing yesterday, thef had the bottom two 23:56:52 <terinjokes> "delete otools unless you have an ObjC compiler, which I don't" (going from memory)