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00:01:10 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:31 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:01:48 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:03:09 <Bluelight> For some reason, my server wont advertise to the server list successfully anymore.. Any ideas? 00:03:54 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 00:04:32 <Eddi|zuHause> in 99% of the cases it's your router/firewall setup 00:04:39 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:05:35 <Bluelight> Do I have to go through this again.. :p I have opened all ports and the server worked fine yesterday.. What is different from now and then.. And I have disabled all firewalls.. 00:06:06 <Bluelight> It even worked earlier today, but now it wont.. 00:06:07 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D98FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 00:06:30 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@31.155.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:07:22 <Bluelight> Anyway, I'm going AFK now so just write me something till I get back.. :) And thanks a lot! :) 00:10:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc0da9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:43 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 00:20:48 <PeterT> fonsinchen here? 00:20:56 <PeterT> regarding, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=848441#p848441 00:21:03 <PeterT> I did "git clone <repo" 00:21:10 <PeterT> then "cd cargodist" 00:21:25 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 00:21:33 <PeterT> and it was like this: /c/msys/1.0/home/cargodist (cargodist) 00:21:48 <PeterT> so it was on the cargodist branch before I even did the git checkout origin/cargodist 00:24:11 <PeterT> why does fullscreen mode always fail on my vista computer 00:27:50 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:28:27 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:31:16 <Bluelight> Back.. 00:31:54 <Bluelight> So! Nobody knows why my server wont show? :p 00:31:56 <SpComb> PeterT: that's what clone does 00:32:22 <PeterT> but it was never on a branch 00:32:41 <SpComb> what do you mean? 00:32:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E2D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A54.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:19 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:54 <Bluelight> Wee! Now my server adverticed successfully.. Why is it not sometimes? Grr..? 00:39:26 <SpComb> networks are fickle 00:40:05 <Bluelight> Nothing wrong with my network.. Everything else works.. 00:41:16 <PeterT> that's what they all say 00:42:04 <Bluelight> That means you don't know.. Why can't you just admit it? He he.. 00:42:28 <PeterT> Bluelight: I don't know. 00:42:34 <Bluelight> Bah... 00:42:36 <PeterT> your network is still messed up 00:42:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A54.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:28 <Bluelight> No, it's not.. :p 00:43:58 <Bluelight> Anyways.. AFK 00:45:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:45:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:42 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has quit [Quit: ????] 00:50:09 <fonsinchen> petert, you don't need to clone every time you update. 00:50:17 <PeterT> i don;t 00:50:18 <fonsinchen> Just do "git pull" 00:50:21 <PeterT> i kno 00:50:43 <fonsinchen> and create a local branch, so that you don't have to redo "git checkout origin/cargodist" all the time 00:51:02 <PeterT> i deleted the repo because i had patvhed it 00:51:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-220-254.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:51:48 <fonsinchen> what is "patvhed"? 00:52:27 <PeterT> are you asking me? 00:54:03 <fonsinchen> I don't understand the word 00:54:41 <fonsinchen> If I knew what it means I could maybe tell you what is the right thing to do when you have done that to your repo. 00:56:36 <PeterT> *patched 00:57:23 <fonsinchen> you can do "git reset --hard" to get back to the last revision of the current branch 00:57:47 <PeterT> what about files created during patching? 00:58:56 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 01:00:36 <fonsinchen> they aren't reset, but you can find them with "git status" 01:01:19 <fonsinchen> The best way to deal with a new patch is the following: 01:01:34 <fonsinchen> 1. create a new branch "git branch mypatch" 01:01:44 <fonsinchen> 2. "git checkout mypatch" 01:01:59 <fonsinchen> 3. apply the patch "patch -pX < mypatch.diff" 01:02:39 <fonsinchen> 4. find the missing files with "git status" and add them to the new branch with "git add <file>" 01:02:46 <fonsinchen> 5. "git commit -a" 01:02:56 <fonsinchen> then do whatever you like with the patch 01:03:20 <fonsinchen> if you want the unpatched version back do "git checkout <previous_branch>" 01:03:50 *** DaZ_ [~ident-dwa@drm244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 01:04:09 <fonsinchen> for example, I always keep a branch called "master" which mirrors the current trunk. 01:04:14 <PeterT> wow, that's useful 01:05:24 <fonsinchen> and the good thing is: if you change your mind later, you can "git checkout mypatch" and get the patched version back 01:06:02 <fonsinchen> and you can do "git merge master" on the mypatch branch to merge changes in trunk (provided your trunk-mirroring branch is called "master") 01:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: so that would mean origin/master is trunk? 01:06:46 <fonsinchen> you can also have a look at the file called "gitmake" in my repository to find out about various other tricks 01:07:00 <PeterT> fonsinchen: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=848445#p848445 01:07:01 <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: almost. I have added gitmake and .gitignore 01:07:17 <Eddi|zuHause> close enough ;) 01:07:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i should have a look at this gitmake 01:08:08 *** DaZ [~ident-dwa@dsn199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:27 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 01:12:30 <dragonhorseboy> hey 01:14:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc0da9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:47 <PeterT> fonsin 01:14:53 <PeterT> damn it! 01:14:57 <dragonhorseboy> :p 01:39:45 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43:18 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:03 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 01:55:40 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2046 01:55:40 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:48 *** Guest2046 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:59 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-132-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:20:47 <PeterT> lol: http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/howfanboysseeoperatingsystems.jpg 02:21:12 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 02:23:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:39 *** fjb is now known as Guest2049 02:26:39 *** Guest2049 [~frank@p5485B5FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B5FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:38 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-43-183.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:38 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-43-183.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36:22 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-43-183.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:38 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cf1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56:39 <PeterT> Generating code, my least favorite part 02:58:34 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 03:04:59 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-42-161.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:06:43 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 03:25:13 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:51 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 03:30:14 *** mirQus_ [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 03:30:44 *** mirQus_ [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has quit [] 03:52:35 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 03:55:13 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:55:25 <sparr> Are there any other servers running custom interesting competition mods like Ex's? 03:57:19 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:04:14 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 04:18:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:20:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:25a7:5c00:95f4:c605] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:27:06 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 04:52:50 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:13:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:16:41 <sparr> awfully quiet in here tonight 05:17:32 <sawtooth> i was practicing piano so it wasn't quiet here! 05:41:08 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:16:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:29:27 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.28] has joined #openttd 07:29:33 <Terkhen> good morning 07:37:39 <__ln> gm, Trkn 07:40:07 <Kharza> Good mornong bangers 07:48:44 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:07:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B776DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:57 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:40:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:31 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:55:43 <__ln> what's "don't ask to ask, just ask" in spanish? 08:56:05 <ss23> ... 08:56:11 <ss23> No idea >.< 08:56:42 <ss23> I would suggest online translators, but then you'll prob get "if asking to ask, dont asking" 09:02:13 <__ln> well duh, if i wanted an online translator's version, i would use an online translator. 09:03:03 <ss23> :P 09:04:20 <Terkhen> No preguntes si puedes preguntar, simplemente pregunta 09:07:08 <rane> si senor 09:07:45 <__ln> Terkhen: gracias, es un expresi?n muy importante :) 09:08:05 <Terkhen> you are welcome 09:10:26 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:10:58 *** bjelle [~bm@77.94.232.49] has joined #openttd 09:11:04 <__ln> rane: "si" = "if" 09:11:14 <rane> =D 09:11:24 <Wizzleby> ah what a difference an accent makes 09:11:37 *** bjelle [~bm@77.94.232.49] has quit [] 09:12:15 <sparr> with a cyclotron, how do you avoid the train in the loop taking the exit and then stopping because the merge signal changed one tick later? 09:15:01 <roboboy> grr 09:15:39 * ss23 pats roboboy 09:15:41 <ss23> Calm down boy 09:15:46 <ss23> The fireworks will go away soon :) 09:16:13 <Markmc> Why is there fireworks? 09:17:02 * roboboy has to wait for ages till anyone capabale of fixing his TTDP crash is arround on the forums 09:17:06 <ss23> Dunno, but when a robot growls, I'm there to pat them :) 09:17:47 <Markmc> ah :) 09:18:02 *** Markmc is now known as Markk 09:23:38 * roboboy eats dinner soon 09:24:11 <Markk> I'm thinking about some brunch 09:26:33 * roboboy goes back downstairs for dinner 09:27:00 *** Terkhen [kvirc@150.214.221.28] has quit [Quit: ...] 09:44:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:1c6e:1:183c:8b2e:d652:205e] has joined #openttd 09:45:39 <Markk> Oooh, IPv6 09:46:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:53:22 <Markk> Should the .deb-installer work under kubuntu? 09:55:09 <Rubidium> 9.04 possibly, 9.10 possibly not 09:55:19 <Rubidium> depending on the packages that you already (manually) installed 09:56:53 <Markk> Mkay 09:57:51 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:57:59 <Markk> Because I've tried with the .deb-file, and it's not working: "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libicu38" 09:58:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:34 <roboboy> hello 09:58:52 <Markk> Hi 09:59:14 <Rubidium> Markk: so either install libicu38 (from 9.04) or install the generic package 09:59:47 <Markk> I've tried to find libicu38 09:59:52 <Markk> Will search harder 10:00:14 <Markk> (Right now I'm running OTTD under wine, and it's using cpu as hell) 10:00:16 <Markk> :> 10:00:21 <Rubidium> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/icu 10:01:06 <Rubidium> oh, then it's possibly struck by the same bug you're going to be struck by when using the binary build for Linux 10:01:45 <Markk> Okey :P 10:01:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:05 <peter1138> it does say it's for debian for a reason ;) 10:02:58 <Markk> Yeah, I know :D 10:03:13 <peter1138> reason being you should use debian not ubuntu ;p 10:03:24 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-141-218.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:03:40 <terjesc> I had no problems using ubuntu, after installing the package libicu38 10:04:09 <SpComb> hmm, 0.7.1 in karmic 10:04:41 <terjesc> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/i/icu/libicu38_3.8-6ubuntu0.2_i386.deb 10:04:51 <Markk> peter1138: yeah I know, but I was going to install Windows 7 at first, but my computer fucked up totally, and I needed a OS so I could burn a new CD, and I had kubuntu on a usb-stick, and since then I'm stuck 10:04:54 <Rubidium> terjesc: then either you have messed with the configuration of your system (i.e. not the default configuration) or you've got sound disabled or you haven't looked at CPU usage yet 10:05:53 <Markk> I always disable the sound from ottd 10:05:56 <terjesc> Rubidium: Under wine, yes, CPU at 100%, but with libicu38 and the lenny (I think) version it was just ok. 10:06:04 <terjesc> Sound and everything. 10:06:38 <Markk> Or else you'll wake in middle of the night and just hear "dingdingdingdingmuudondingdinging" 10:06:46 <terjesc> (= 10:07:57 <terjesc> afaik it should work fine if you install the libicu38 package first. 10:08:08 <Markk> Yes, seems like that 10:08:12 <Markk> (Installing it right now) 10:08:13 <terjesc> At least it did so a couple of weeks ago. 10:08:18 <terjesc> (= 10:08:43 <Markk> Yay, "Package "OpenTTD" was installed" 10:09:14 <terjesc> \o/ 10:09:54 <Markk> Nah, it wants some sounds 10:10:06 <roboboy> hm Ive got trucks saying they are 100% loaded but they are not departing in 1.0.0 beta 2 10:10:28 <Rubidium> timetables? 10:10:46 <terjesc> Markk: What sounds? Do you have the graphics and sound files? 10:11:05 <terjesc> I can't remember if there was any sound problems. 10:11:11 <Markk> "Error: Failed to find a sounds set. Please acquire a sounds set for OpenTTD. See section 4.1 of readme.txt" 10:11:46 <planetmaker> well. Follow the advice ;-) 10:11:48 <terjesc> I suggest you read that section. (= 10:12:35 <Markk> yes, working on it :) 10:13:47 <roboboy> that fixed it 10:14:05 <Markk> Where is that file then 10:14:16 <Markk> Oh 10:14:42 <terjesc> You can create a dummy sound file, and use the open graphics files. 10:14:43 <roboboy> why does OpenTTD started in Dedicated mode require Sound and Graphics files? 10:15:37 <Markk> terjesc: mkay, how do i do that? :) 10:15:51 <terjesc> Markk: It is on the net somewhere. 10:16:10 <Markk> Mkay, where sould I put the opensfx-files otherwise? 10:16:21 <Markk> There is a readme 10:16:24 <terjesc> read readme.txt 10:16:29 <Markk> Didn't se it at first :) 10:16:39 <terjesc> Allways look for a readme. (= 10:16:45 <Markk> :) 10:17:09 <Markk> wat, why did it open a .txt-files in Notepad (In Wine)? 10:17:22 <terjesc> lol 10:18:05 <terjesc> Ubuntu is becoming more and more windows. 10:18:13 <Markk> Yeah, seems that way 10:18:26 <terjesc> That's why I changed to Debian last weekend. 10:18:29 <terjesc> (= 10:18:30 <Markk> Another reason why I should run Debian 10:18:35 <Markk> I'm running debian on the shell 10:18:46 <Markk> (Which I'm IRC from) 10:19:01 <terjesc> what do you mean? 10:19:03 <Rubidium> roboboy: because the dedicated mode is nothing more than the normal OpenTTD without the video drivers that need linking to e.g. libsdl. The rest is totally the same. 10:19:42 <terjesc> Markk: If you are using the terminal in ubuntu, it is still ubuntu... 10:19:53 <Markk> terjesc: I use SSH do connect to a server that's running debian with irssi 10:19:57 <terjesc> Ah. 10:19:59 <Markk> yeah 10:19:59 <terjesc> (= 10:19:59 <Markk> :) 10:20:04 <Markk> More anon 10:20:05 <terjesc> Are you using screen too? 10:20:09 <Markk> yes 10:20:10 <Markk> ofc 10:20:16 <terjesc> (= 10:20:17 <Markk> My gf too 10:20:29 <terjesc> screen+irssi ftw 10:20:32 <Markk> yeah :D 10:20:38 <dihedral> znc :-P 10:21:12 <Markk> She got tired of mIRC and wanted irssi, the same with windows. She got tired of Vista, i installed XP, she got tired of that and is now running ubuntu and is learning python 10:21:40 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f9f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:53 <dihedral> interesting girlfriend :-P 10:22:00 <Markk> yeah, kinda 10:22:09 <dihedral> "kinda"? 10:22:12 <Markk> Haha 10:23:04 <Markk> Where is the openttd installation directory? 10:23:34 <terjesc> locate openttd 10:23:55 <Markk> ah, thanks :) 10:24:08 <Markk> I used whereis, that explains a thing or two 10:24:16 <terjesc> (= 10:24:54 <Markk> Hmm, didn't find it anyway 10:25:19 <terjesc> updatedb, I think 10:25:36 <terjesc> but I'm not sure 10:26:31 <terjesc> yeah, you have to run updatedb for the file database to be updated. 10:26:49 <Markk> Still just the directories for save-files and content_data 10:27:07 <Markk> Ah, there it is 10:27:09 <terjesc> do you have apt-file? 10:27:28 <terjesc> It let you see what files are belonging to a deb package. 10:27:40 <Markk> No idea 10:27:44 <Markk> But I found it :) 10:27:47 <Markk> Thanks 10:27:50 <terjesc> np 10:32:52 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c2ab.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:58 <Markk> What is the name of the original soundfile? 10:41:07 <dihedral> gnah ..... 10:41:11 <dihedral> do you know google? 10:41:15 <dihedral> do you know wiki.openttd.org 10:41:20 <Markk> Haha, sorry mate 10:41:21 <dihedral> do you know readme.txt 10:42:15 <rane> how_to_be_an_ass_on_irc.txt 10:42:29 <Markk> :D 10:44:14 * planetmaker would not attach that attribute to dihedral, though 10:44:37 <dihedral> seriously - one cannot simply ask to have everything mouth fed like a baby, esp. not things that have been answered a thousand times everywhere 10:44:38 <planetmaker> give a man a fish and he'll eat a day, teach a man to fish and he'll have food for his whole life 10:44:48 <dihedral> oh - and Markk: tt-forums.net! 10:45:04 <Markk> dihedral: yeah, I know about that forum :) 10:45:08 <dihedral> planetmaker, some people i'd rather give just ONE fish :-D 10:45:09 <Markk> I'm a part of it 10:45:17 <Markk> But I'm a vegetarian 10:45:17 <Markk> :D 10:45:35 <planetmaker> vegetarians eat my foods' food. 10:45:39 <dihedral> then press the key combination: ctrl+f, type "search" and press return 10:45:44 <Markk> planetmaker: ;) 10:45:55 <Markk> It's working now tough 10:45:59 <Markk> Thanks guy 10:46:00 <Markk> guys* 10:46:04 <dihedral> planetmaker, i'd eat krokodile :-P 10:46:13 <Markk> (And guissetts) 10:46:15 <Rubidium> vegetarians are sissies. Either be a vegan or not at all :) 10:46:16 <dihedral> and what did you learn? 10:46:31 <dihedral> search all you can 10:46:34 <planetmaker> hm... I never ate crocodile. But cangaroo is nice ;-) 10:46:36 <dihedral> before asking a silly q 10:46:52 <Markk> Rubidium: yeah, about that, I'm a lactose intolerant and on that I cant' eat eggs 10:47:02 <Markk> So in theory I'm a vegan 10:47:40 <dihedral> i know vegies who eat fish 10:47:42 <Markk> But I love créme fraiche and cheese 10:48:29 <Rubidium> isn't cheese like ... made from milk? Or is it only the cow's milk you're intolerant for? 10:48:31 <Markk> dihedral: that is called demi-vegetarian 10:48:50 <Markk> Rubidium: yeah, that's why i'm a vegetarian, not a vegan 10:49:18 <Markk> And besides, I'm a vegetarian because I don't like meat, fish and chicken 10:49:18 <Markk> :P 10:49:39 <Markk> And soyproducts taske like fuck 10:49:42 <planetmaker> then eat turkey (if there's a difference between mean and chicken :-P ) 10:49:47 <dihedral> perhaps they don't like you either :-P 10:49:52 <planetmaker> s/mean/meat/ 10:49:53 <Markk> Haha 10:50:12 <dihedral> soy :-P 10:50:20 <dihedral> this is my stuffed soy chicken :-P 10:50:34 <planetmaker> :-D 10:50:49 <Markk> :D 10:50:50 <planetmaker> But don't discard soy. Sushi and sashimi without soy would be half the fun 10:51:03 <planetmaker> soy sauce that is 10:51:07 <Markk> That's another kind of soy you're thinking of 10:51:08 <Markk> Yes 10:51:08 <Markk> :p 10:51:18 <dihedral> how would you like your soy steak? medium? rare? :-P 10:51:19 <Markk> And wok, don't forget that 10:51:41 <dihedral> just teasing ya Markk 10:51:55 <Markk> Understood that :) 11:11:57 <SpComb> you're making me hungry 11:12:01 <SpComb> nevermind the fact that I already was 11:20:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba8f9f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:46 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 11:32:25 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:33:35 *** Zosma [jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:25 <Zosma> Hey guys, first of all thanks for the enormous progress towards 1.0 11:35:45 <Zosma> A question however... could it be the 'autoreplace all trains in the depot' button doesn't do anything? Or am I just not using it properly. 11:36:00 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:36:02 <Zosma> Autoreplace from the train list works though. 11:37:01 <roboboy> hello 11:40:28 <Rubidium> Zosma: seems to work as it should; the button in the depot triggers the 'needs autoreplace' check on all vehicles in the depot; it doesn't allow you to set autoreplace settings 11:41:55 <Zosma> Rubidium: ah ok then it probably works, from guessing and the wiki I'd expected it to show the autoreplace settings. 11:42:00 <Zosma> Thanks. 11:43:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggested that, but some people had concerns about it... 11:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause> something about "people would expect these rules to only apply to this depot" 11:49:12 <Zosma> Mmm I could also understand that some people would think that. 11:49:33 <Zosma> Maybe I'll update the wiki to explain it better? That would've 'solved' it for me. 11:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a good idea ;) 11:50:40 <Zosma> Aye :-) 12:01:47 *** phalax_ [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:01:47 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:48 *** TheJosh [~TheJosh@ppp121-45-141-17.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:19 *** TheJosh [~TheJosh@ppp121-45-141-17.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [] 12:07:54 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:07:57 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has joined #openttd 12:17:41 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:46:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:25 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:46:27 *** robotboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:52:21 <Eddi|zuHause> right... now i know where i heard the name "ostlandr" before... he's the guy whose posts you need to read backwards... 12:53:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6024:7f1f:d06d:b8ea] has joined #openttd 12:53:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:53:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:07 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-58-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:25 *** lskdfj [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 12:54:34 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.223.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:34 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:39 *** lskdfj is now known as LadyHawk 12:54:41 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 12:54:46 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:55:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.223.55] 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13:53:59 <andythenorth> hmm 13:54:09 <andythenorth> that was a bad typing of belugas 13:54:31 <murr5y> hi xkt 13:54:36 <murr5y> ops sorry, bad typing of andythenorth 13:54:59 <Rubidium> oh... we should ban you both indefinitely 13:55:00 <andythenorth> well this gag could run and sfsdfs 13:56:29 <murr5y> no mBzr, we like it here <3 13:56:36 <murr5y> ops, Rubidium* 13:57:04 * robotboy give murr5y a robokick 13:57:09 <Rubidium> oh oops... just didn't write your name wrong 13:57:40 *** robotboy is now known as roboboy 13:57:53 <Rubidium> robotboy: make peace not war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vo_f34Igvg :) 13:58:01 <andythenorth> Big truck: http://www.roadtransport.com/blogs/big-lorry-blog/2010/01/monster-kenworth-from-biglorry.html 13:59:42 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:32 <Belugas> make love, not peace 14:01:05 <Belugas> right now, tough, i'm more in the mood of "make music, not code" 14:01:12 <peter1138> ES 14:01:14 <peter1138> YESYSESE 14:01:15 <peter1138> aexcpt 14:01:16 <peter1138> y8erhgaeriaoegha 14:01:17 <peter1138> erhgieahg o3witlhlh 14:01:20 <peter1138> work :( 14:03:11 *** Wheatbix [~tegal_85@115-64-156-58.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 14:03:34 <Belugas> quite, dear, quite 14:04:26 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 14:09:36 *** Tegal85 [~Tegal@122.110.252.182] has joined #openttd 14:10:53 <Wheatbix> . 14:12:39 <Tegal85> Hello everyone 14:15:03 *** Tegal85 [~Tegal@122.110.252.182] has quit [Quit: jmIrc-m v0.34a by Archangel (http://jmirc-m.net.ru/en/)] 14:16:42 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-58-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:50 *** Tegal85 [~Tegal@122.110.252.182] has joined #openttd 14:18:10 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 14:22:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:07 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has 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Based on work by Terkhen 15:56:25 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 16:04:32 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm94.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:04 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:22:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc10.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:01 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 16:36:14 *** zachanima [~zach@cpe.atm2-0-1051196.kd4nxx15.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:25 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-210-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:07 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 16:52:14 <Eddi|zuHause> who wants to bet that the next dbset is released on 10.10.10? ;) 16:52:36 <Markk> I have a question from a friend of mine: "Where is the SDL-code for doing graphics stuff in the codebase?" 16:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Markk: in src/video/sdl_v.* probably 16:53:07 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:29 <Markk> Thanks :) 17:01:25 *** Johnmit [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:01:28 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:04:31 <Johnmit> am I correct in thinking the patch always_build_infrastructure allows you to say build maglev tracks when you don't have any maglev engines, or build tram tracks when you have no tram engines? 17:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i don't think so 17:05:16 <Johnmit> that's engines available - not that you don't own any. that would be an amusing vicious circle... 17:06:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's more about disabling the airport button in the toolbar when no airplanes are available 17:07:35 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@206.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:07:54 <Terkhen> hello 17:09:03 * Terkhen starts coding a smaller version of one of his patches :) 17:09:27 <Johnmit> indeed - it appears it only applies to airports 17:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Johnmit: well, it also applies to rail vehicles, if no rail vehicles are available at all (for any railtype) 17:10:19 <Johnmit> yes 17:10:28 <Johnmit> except it just un-greys the button on the main toolbar 17:10:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Johnmit: but not to the individual railtypes 17:10:36 <Johnmit> indeed 17:10:44 <Belugas> hehehe @ Terkhen ;) 17:11:00 <Johnmit> and you can always build waterways and roads 17:11:17 <Johnmit> that patch is such a let down... 17:13:23 * Johnmit shall go and change the wiki 17:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause> but please don't write the word "patch" into the wiki :p 17:14:47 <Johnmit> me thinks from "a certain building tool" to "the airport building tool" (yes, i know it also applies to the railway, but since it doesn't actually let you build any railways...) 17:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Johnmit: just mention that there's hardly any reason for changing this setting 17:16:06 <Markk> Where can I find changelog for 1.0.0? 17:16:20 <frosch123> next to the download 17:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Markk: on the website, click on "download testing" and there on "changelog" 17:16:46 <Johnmit> another quick question about the title save competition: if i load in a newgrf for trams (to allow me to build tram tracks), then remove the grf will that effect the save game in a bad way? 17:16:49 <Markk> Ah, there it is 17:17:13 <Markk> I looked on that page because I had in mind that it would be there, but I missed it. Thanks :) 17:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Johnmit: it should be fine as long as you don't build any vehicles 17:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Johnmit: but don't take my word for it... 17:18:00 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: Johnmit: confirmed 17:18:12 <Johnmit> cool 17:18:36 <Johnmit> is that confirming the tram thing or the always build infrastructure patch? 17:18:40 <frosch123> just industries, houses and townnames and such are no-go :) 17:18:57 <frosch123> you can use a tramset during the titlegame construction and remove it latr 17:19:02 <Johnmit> cool 17:19:14 <Johnmit> townnames? 17:19:17 <frosch123> isn't that even mentioned in the thread 17:19:21 <frosch123> no townname grfs 17:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't actually read the thread... 17:19:30 <Johnmit> well i first asked the question 17:19:45 <Johnmit> but i assumed that always build infrastrucutre would let me build tram tracks 17:20:01 <Johnmit> so i thought i would clarify before putting in lots of effort... 17:20:34 <Johnmit> i can understand how industries and houses are a definite no-no as they effect how industries operate and houses 17:20:41 <Johnmit> but townnames? 17:21:09 <Johnmit> (i haven't actually got any grf loaded - i'm just curious :) ) 17:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Johnmit: town name sets must be active on the title screen, because they must be added to the selection dropdown 17:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause> so they would conflict with the title game townnames 17:22:42 <Johnmit> i think i see 17:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause> plus it makes no sense, as town names are hidden in the title game anyway 17:24:22 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.227.167] has joined #openttd 17:25:06 <Roelmb> anyone who knows all of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_list_of_programming_languages its really much how could anybody know them all XD 17:25:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Roelmb: why would anybody know "all" languages? 17:26:03 <Roelmb> don't know for fun or to be the uber nerd maybe XD 17:26:19 <Roelmb> didn't even know that there where that much 17:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Roelmb: same question can be asked about real languages 17:27:11 <Roelmb> Ok your right thats somewhat the same but their are many 17:28:05 <Eddi|zuHause> obviously you don't even know english... :p 17:28:32 <Roelmb> why not XD i'm doing my best but writing is not my best thing in english lessons 17:28:38 <thingwath> programming languages aren't real? 17:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> thingwath: "real" ^= "has at least one living native speaker" 17:30:00 <Roelmb> Alright then if you see it like that 17:30:15 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.0.5] 17:30:16 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 17:33:07 <Johnmit> surely to know all programming languages you only need to know one? 17:34:30 <Johnmit> which is the language all computers use :) 17:34:46 <Roelmb> That machine code 17:35:04 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: so latin isn't a real language? 17:35:15 <Roelmb> or assembly 17:35:33 <Roelmb> sparr: people do speak latin so actually it is real 17:35:45 <sparr> Roelmb: he said native speaker 17:35:51 <sparr> Roelmb: but, forget that... 17:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: i did not specify when that person should have been living 17:35:58 <sparr> Roelmb: are these languages now imaginary? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_language#Recently_extinct_languages 17:37:04 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: I am unfamiliar with your use of ^= 17:37:13 <sparr> XOR Assignment? 17:37:21 <Roelmb> you are right a language stops being one when it has been forgotten by everybody 17:37:45 <sparr> Roelmb: just because no one speaks it doesn't mean it has been forgotten. there are recordings, and documentation how to interpret those recordings. 17:37:56 <sparr> and writings, in some cases 17:38:12 <sparr> although unwritten languages tend to go extinct more often 17:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: the ^ should be on top of the =, but that is difficult to write in text. 17:38:50 <Roelmb> when nobody knows of a language it is not their so if historicals don't know about a language it for sure died 17:39:12 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: then I am unfamiliar with that symbol 17:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: and it's an equivalence, not an assignment 17:39:52 <sparr> Roelmb: if nobody knows of a language then the people having this conversation don't know of it, and thus it can't be the language we are discussing. 17:40:38 <Roelmb> oh just stop it languages can die but how we don't know XD thats it 17:41:38 <Roelmb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Obfuscated_C_Code_Contest check this code thats weird XD 17:42:30 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:26 <sparr> the Underhanded C Contest is more interesting, imho 17:43:27 <sparr> http://underhanded.xcott.com/ 17:43:36 <sparr> it's kinda the opposite 17:43:46 <sparr> you are supposed to write code that looks normal, but does something evil 17:45:03 <Roelmb> XD 17:50:13 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 17:58:20 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.176.227.167] has quit [] 17:58:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:04:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean like ":(){ :|: };:"? 18:07:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i forgot a & 18:08:10 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:13:49 <glx> yes else it's easy to kill it ;) 18:16:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:24:43 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:04 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-154-218.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 18:28:04 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:36:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc10.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:55 *** heffer [~felix@p50889F76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18799 /trunk/src/lang/ (russian.txt ukrainian.txt): 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:45:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 3 changes by Madvin 18:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... someone should recalculate the xkcd fractal to determine whether the values given there are actually accurate 18:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is this error about croatian? the file apparently wasn't actually changed 19:00:05 <Rubidium> if I would know I would have already fixed it; has to do something with genders or cases or so 19:00:36 <Rubidium> TB is going to fix it, but only after he fixed his computer :( 19:05:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-142-95.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:09:59 *** heffer [~felix@p50889F76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 19:16:06 *** Johnmit` [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:18:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:20:04 *** Johnmit [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:39 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:45:34 <Muxy> yop, what's make the virtual OnInvalidateData( ) be called. Who calls the window::InvalidateData() ? 19:46:23 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:13 <Muxy> Found: InvalidateWindowData who loop FOR_ALL_WINDOWS_FROM_BACK(w) 19:52:56 <Alberth> Usually depends on the window afaik. 19:54:45 <Muxy> but my window::OnInvalidateData() is still not called... 19:55:05 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 19:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you must set the data invalid somewhere 19:57:24 <Eddi|zuHause> usually at the place where you change it 19:57:50 *** phalax_ [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:59 <Muxy> aha 19:58:30 <Muxy> meaning, if i'm adding a window class, i should add code when i want to invalidate it 19:58:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:59:28 <andythenorth> is it interesting that when most of us have snow outside, we start thinking of adding snow covered roads to the game (and snowplows) 19:59:29 <andythenorth> ? 20:01:02 <sawtooth> gotta transport salt from that salt mine so the towns can keep the roads nice 20:01:15 <Muxy> snow has gone away 20:01:47 <sawtooth> we're set to be hovering around 0C for a week after quite a lot of cold weather to start the year 20:02:24 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiz56.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:11 <andythenorth> mmmm....salt mine for FIRS 20:03:23 <andythenorth> or not 20:03:47 <Alberth> it is only used for a few weeks every year 20:03:51 <planetmaker> well. Fertilizer is a kind of salt, too :-) 20:03:54 <planetmaker> or vice versa 20:04:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:04:44 <planetmaker> salt would have the advantage of an unambigeous cargoID ;-) 20:04:58 <andythenorth> mmm....newgrf, varaction 2, check the date, produce only between dates x and y.... 20:04:59 <andythenorth> or not 20:05:07 <planetmaker> yes. 20:05:08 * andythenorth goes to make inner 20:05:11 <andythenorth> ?? 20:05:13 <andythenorth> dinner 20:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i've worked for a company that makes anti-snow grade and food-grade CaCl2 solution the whole year 20:05:24 <planetmaker> enjoy your food, andythenorth :-) 20:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> made from CaCO3 and HCl 20:05:51 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:34 <planetmaker> hm... this neob guy gets annoying 20:07:27 <Belugas> buwhahahahah 20:07:50 <planetmaker> moin Belugas :-) 20:08:02 * Lakie quite likes the openttd 1.0 beta. 20:08:35 <andythenorth> planetmaker: neob is my new favourite forum friend 20:08:45 <planetmaker> yours, too? 20:08:54 <andythenorth> I am normally pretty good at being nice to <strike>fools</strike> newbies 20:09:13 <andythenorth> neob is grade A annoying 20:09:33 <andythenorth> but it's ok, because he mostly sticks to the suggestations forum 20:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> he can't even spell newb correctly :p 20:10:18 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:10:43 <andythenorth> also, has anyone seen Foobar? Because neob suggestions "how about some groundwork first?" before we work on FIRS. 20:10:55 <andythenorth> Apparently we shouldnt be "trying to max that top industry limit." 20:11:06 * andythenorth goes back to cooking salad 20:11:12 <Sacro> cooking? 20:11:18 <andythenorth> sharp eyes 20:11:21 <andythenorth> halloumi 20:11:48 <Sacro> oh nice 20:11:51 * andythenorth has a kitchen for the first time since august 08 20:11:53 <andythenorth> august 09 20:11:54 <andythenorth> oops 20:13:13 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:19:34 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:11 <Eddi|zuHause> http://paste.openttd.org/220962 <-- any ideas how this works? 20:30:40 <Rubidium> I'd say to x 20:30:51 <Rubidium> but that's purely speculation 20:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's exactly what my conclusion is :p 20:31:39 <Xaroth> run it? :o 20:31:50 <glx> maybe it's preprocessor dependant, but I'd say x too 20:36:14 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:37:48 <Terkhen> it reminds me of prolog 20:40:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:40:29 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:48:08 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-61-91.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:21 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-44-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:50:38 *** Eoin_ [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:46 *** FFMA`Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:06 *** FFMA`Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:59 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:04:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:05:26 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e33:4719:1:183c:8b2e:d652:205e] has joined #openttd 21:09:22 <Terkhen> it seems that neob wants to gravedig every suggestion thread at the forums 21:10:10 <andythenorth> I want to reply bitterly, but...don't feed the trolll 21:10:14 <andythenorth> neob is a troll 21:11:16 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc10.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:23 <Xaroth> for somebody who joined 16 days ago and has 168 posts already 21:11:26 <Xaroth> yes, very much a troll 21:12:54 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:1c6e:1:183c:8b2e:d652:205e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:54 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 21:14:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:15:16 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:59 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 21:19:48 <Eddi|zuHause> that's only just over 10 posts per day, or about one post every 2 hours... 21:20:29 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:20:43 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: but the signal to noise ratio? 21:20:53 <Xaroth> given somebody is only awake 16 hours a day, one post every 100 minutes :P 21:21:16 <andythenorth> anyway, I should go draw something, or some other useful task. 21:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> in the time i was online game addicted, i very much was awake every 2 hours :p 21:22:07 * Xaroth shrugs 21:22:12 <Xaroth> at least you have a life now :P 21:22:16 <Xaroth> .... i think :P 21:23:01 <Eddi|zuHause> given that i have not left the house since it snowed the last time... 21:23:41 <Markk> When did it snow last time? 21:24:18 <Eddi|zuHause> don't know, but i was outside last tuesday... 21:24:32 <Markk> What day of week is it now? 21:24:48 <Markk> Oh, thurday 21:24:58 <Markk> I thought it was monday, or sunday 21:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause> winter semester... 21:25:23 <Markk> Nah, just "between jobs" 21:25:24 <Markk> :D 21:28:05 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:31:01 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:02 <zodttd> Rubidium: Hello from ZodTTD. May we speak about your formal complaint to Apple? 21:32:53 <Eoin> ooh, i have you on my iphone :O 21:32:59 *** Karl_ [~chatzilla@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff81c000-247.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:33:44 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:05 <zodttd> Rubidium: If possible, I'd like to resolve these issues so I can continue my port of OpenTTD via App Store. I purposely did not name the application "OpenTTD" as I figured you may want that open for your use. 21:34:16 *** Karl_ is now known as Karabic 21:34:18 <zodttd> Hi Eoin, thanks :) 21:35:12 *** Karabic [~chatzilla@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff81c000-247.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:37:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 21:39:32 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bdb.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:43 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:06 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bdb.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [] 21:41:23 <planetmaker> zodttd: http://www.ifun.de/appsuche/s/openttd <-- it pretty much sounds like "OpenTTD", don't you think? 21:42:54 <zodttd> What I mean is AppStore allows users to "reserve" titles of applications. I purposely did not name my app "OpenTTD" as I have no ill intentions. 21:43:03 <zodttd> Was just a side note to a bigger issue though. 21:44:46 <Rubidium> hmm, my mail wasn't clear about what was broken? 21:44:47 <zodttd> I had no clue there was issues with my ports to iPhone such as the Cydia release, until I received the email from Rubidium sent to Apple via Apple themselves. I've idled here for many months and have spoken with OPs here long ago during PalmOS days. I'm surprised I wasn't contacted directly first. 21:45:33 <zodttd> Rubidium: It was, and I will fix it immediately and resubmit. But I came here hoping there would be no issues personally. 21:45:33 *** fjb is now known as Guest2158 21:45:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EA2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:53 <Rubidium> zodttd: a note about version incompatability has been made on your blog about the versioning issue, just got a lot of whining of others that "we" were spoiling the fun with those minor things 21:46:07 <zodttd> My blog isn't what it once was sadly :( 21:46:22 <zodttd> I apologize for the rudeness of others. They tend to be young. 21:46:51 <zodttd> I actually just got back from a 5 day vacation with the family. I haven't seen my blog yet if it was recently posted. 21:47:25 <Rubidium> zodttd: it was the blog about the "2.0.0" version of OpenTTD you made long ago 21:48:00 <zodttd> Oh my! Yes, then I was unaware. I see where you're coming from now. 21:48:17 <zodttd> The reason I renamed the title bar 21:49:02 <zodttd> I left the multiplayer revision alone. But I hardcoded the title bar as Apple would reject the word beta there. I can remove the version completely in that area. It's hackish though 21:50:29 <Rubidium> but I got messages of people that they could join servers, whereas there are no servers with the version you (roughly) used 21:51:05 <zodttd> Weird! Ok fixing that as well. It could of been how the rev file got generated. 21:51:18 <Rubidium> and also if you left the network version completely alone there would be trace of that version in the binary, which I can't find 21:51:20 <zodttd> I will also clean up the packaging of the source. My apologies there. Was sorta ugly 21:51:30 <zodttd> It should be there. Thats odd too 21:51:49 <zodttd> I didnt remove it on purpose at very least. 21:52:29 *** Guest2158 [~frank@p5485B5FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18800 /trunk/src/network/core/packet.cpp: -Fix: in some cases with invalid packets one can crash recent trunk and 1.0.0 betas; 0.7.5 and before can't be crashed though. 21:53:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18801 /trunk/src/network/ (core/tcp.cpp core/tcp.h network.cpp): -Fix: in some cases error messages weren't properly sent to the client before closing the connection. As a result the client would say 'connection lost' when the cause was something completely different. 21:53:02 <Rubidium> also I couldn't figure out what revision you exactly used; seems that the language files are in a different revision that the rest 21:53:17 <planetmaker> zodttd: why don't you just provide "real" openttd binaries. without hacked versions and so on? 21:53:22 <planetmaker> saving all the trouble? 21:53:29 <planetmaker> with just the patch(es) such that it compiles? 21:53:32 <planetmaker> no other mods? 21:53:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: because apple apparantly doesn't like beta 21:53:51 <Rubidium> although I wonder how they fancy a new version with the same version number 21:53:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes, read that. But there's still 0.7.5 21:54:01 <planetmaker> and the 1.0 WILL come 21:54:16 <zodttd> I believe it's because I compiled from a tarball for MacOS X which had a r15[...] revision, but Apple denied the binary due to it, and I hacked in the revision generated too quickly. 21:54:16 <planetmaker> at least I have full faith there in you ;-) 21:54:19 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-170-45.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 21:54:40 <planetmaker> zodttd: just compile with explicit version set - no source hacking required 21:54:50 <planetmaker> or did you never check ./configure --help ? 21:54:55 <zodttd> I did the port of OpenTTD to the iPhone as it's two things I enjoy very much. I have no ill intent whatsoever but I really would love to maintain this port if possible. 21:55:00 <Rubidium> well, just use a proper release tarball 21:55:08 <planetmaker> use the svn ;-) 21:55:26 <planetmaker> then you could also submit the needed patch(es) as... just that: patches 21:55:29 <zodttd> I did planetmaker, please don't belittle me. I know my way around. 21:55:46 <zodttd> Do you have intentions of doing an App Store release? 21:56:02 <planetmaker> zodttd: then ./configure --revision="MyVersion" is known to you? 21:56:03 <Rubidium> also why remove half of the compilation infrastructure from your source version? 21:56:09 <zodttd> And I will submit patches if that's something preferred. 21:56:18 <zodttd> Yes planetmaker 21:56:27 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that won't work because he removed configure and friends (or at least some friends of configure) 21:56:36 <planetmaker> ... 21:56:46 * planetmaker wonders why :-) 21:56:49 <zodttd> Rubidium: If I did, I was unaware. 21:56:51 <zodttd> Why?! 21:57:31 <planetmaker> zodttd: you supply a git repo, but it is based on a release tar ball? Not by actually pulling the official git repo? 21:57:34 <planetmaker> Sounds weired. 21:58:24 <zodttd> Might be, but in all honesty I'm not very familar with git still. For instance you see those .DS_Store files there since I forgot to handle my gitignore file 21:58:30 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the git repository doesn't get official releases 21:59:06 <planetmaker> Rubidium: well, so doesn't hg. But I can still get the revision numbers. Or do your git repos don't have those revisions? I'd be surprised 21:59:15 <planetmaker> as hg has them - just not tagged. 21:59:40 <zodttd> Interested in this as well, as I pulled mine from git 22:00:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: for releases you should use the official tarballs, not the git version that looks closest 22:00:32 <planetmaker> Rubidium: aslo not a svn checkout? 22:00:37 <planetmaker> *also even 22:02:24 <Rubidium> only if you get the tag 22:03:22 <glx> planetmaker: even beta are not exact trunk copies 22:03:48 <planetmaker> Rubidium: yes, sure. 22:04:21 <zodttd> Rubidium: Assuming I comply with your requests, which I fully intend to do now, will that satisfy you? As I really enjoy OpenTTD, which is why I did this, I of course want to be in good standing. 22:05:20 <planetmaker> The sanest thing to me seems to wait for the true OpenTTD 1.0.0 - and supply that to the appstore. Pulled from the proper svn tag obviously :-) 22:06:10 <zodttd> I will be held at the stake of the people who did enjoy this port by pulling it. I don't want backlash for me or for OpenTTD's team over this. 22:07:19 <planetmaker> well. Then use the exact same versions as the offical repo w/o mods. 22:07:30 <zodttd> I also highly suggest the OpenTTD team reserve the app name "OpenTTD" as early as now if they intend on doing an official port. I'll also gladly change my description if needed to word it to your liking. 22:07:47 <planetmaker> otherwise, I guess, there'll always be headwind. As the official devs will get complaints that things don't work. 22:07:49 <Rubidium> there is currently no official effort into getting OpenTTD into Apple's appstore. Primarily because we've already dropped OS X support 22:08:03 <zodttd> Oww :( 22:08:04 <Rubidium> and the iPhone and such are AFAIK quite OS X-y 22:08:40 <planetmaker> hehe. You could become the OpenTTD macos port maintainer, zodttd ;-) 22:08:47 <zodttd> I would love that 22:08:56 <zodttd> And would be more proper about things too 22:09:02 <Rubidium> furthermore I'm not against someone adding an unofficial OpenTTD binary into the appstore, as long as it doesn't lie about versioning, misses licenses and the like 22:09:03 <planetmaker> I guess qualification is to fix the open bugs :-P 22:09:24 <zodttd> Rubidium: Got it. :) ...I apologize. 22:10:31 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:13 <zodttd> planetmaker: Most of the issues I use to have with porting OpenTTD to ARM devices are gone now. I remember the alignment issues being found and fixed. Not sure if it was due to my patching or the official PSP port. That was many years ago though. So much has changed for the better. 22:11:49 <planetmaker> that's good to hear 22:13:08 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:11 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:52 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT 22:14:03 <andythenorth> I need to draw a fuel depot. If I use storage tank sprites from ISR, is that weird and confusing? (what is industry & what is station?) 22:15:01 <planetmaker> andythenorth: not really 22:15:14 <planetmaker> Maybe you could give them a different colour, though 22:15:18 <andythenorth> yup 22:15:43 <planetmaker> having it exactly the same... might indeed be confusing on the rare occasion. 22:18:53 <peter1138> hmm 22:22:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeji122.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:23:36 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.213.226] has joined #openttd 22:27:59 <SmatZ> @seen yorick 22:27:59 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: I have not seen yorick. 22:28:26 <PeterT> SmatZ: You're looking for yorick? 22:28:32 <peter1138> definitely not 22:28:52 <PeterT> well, I could just be wondering when the last time yorick was here 22:28:52 <SmatZ> hehe 22:29:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:38 <Rubidium> DaleStan: would you be so kind to include the patch at http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/grfcodec/devel/compile.patch?view=markup into grfcodec? It's needed for grfcodec to compile with gcc 4.4. 22:32:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.223.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:21 *** Goulp [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:01 <Eddi|zuHause> last time he wrote more than 5 lines was 3. november 22:40:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:04 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:52 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:24 <PeterT> @seen fonsinchen 22:45:24 <DorpsGek> PeterT: fonsinchen was last seen in #openttd 21 hours, 38 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: almost. I have added gitmake and .gitignore 22:49:53 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:49:53 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2164 22:49:53 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:50:42 *** mib_x6e2gm [54c2ba5e@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:44 *** Guest2164 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18802 /trunk/src/ (rail_cmd.cpp station_cmd.cpp station_func.h transparency.h): -Codechange: Deduplicate drawing-code for depots and stations/waypoints. 22:57:50 *** mib_x6e2gm [54c2ba5e@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:59:58 <Eddi|zuHause> again with the non-de-triplication... 23:00:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc10.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:19 *** Johnmit` [~John@93-97-107-116.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Going, Going...... Go] 23:03:07 <peter1138> ah, that's gonna conflict 23:03:36 <Xaroth> uh oh 23:04:11 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:05:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18803 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp road_gui.cpp): -Feature [FS#3318]: make building (long) roads work like building rail; build upon the first obstruction instead of failing totally. Patch by Terkhen. 23:06:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18804 /trunk/src/network/ (network_client.cpp network_server.cpp): -Codechange: guard against binaries claiming to be compatible with a future (stable) release of OpenTTD. 23:07:40 <SpComb> heh 23:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause> we need a new disaster 23:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> giant cat falls asleep on the tracks 23:11:40 <Terkhen> :) 23:11:44 <Terkhen> great 23:12:04 <Chrill> Eddi|zuHause, Snorlax in the way? 23:12:10 <Rubidium> yeah, sorry Terkhen... your patch doesn't apply again... broken twice in one day 23:13:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably make a photo, but i can't find the camera... 23:14:30 <Terkhen> no problem, I like the good kind of "breaks" :P 23:15:13 <Xaroth> Rubidium: isn't it then just possible to fake the newgrf version as well? 23:15:18 <Xaroth> re 18804 23:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't like when rubidium last "broke" the timetable patch... 23:15:36 <DaleStan> Rubidium: It's in. Finally. 23:15:59 <Rubidium> Xaroth: ofcourse, but please... tell me what the NewGRF revision of 1.0 is going to be 23:16:06 <Rubidium> DaleStan: thanks 23:16:10 <Xaroth> Rubidium: touche :) 23:16:11 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:16:25 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 23:16:44 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 23:17:26 *** zz_xorkrus2 [xorkrus2@i.hate.your.vhosts.shellium.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:47 <dragonhorseboy> sorry for asking but would any of you know which japan steam locomotive class it was that got the nickname of something along 'two eyes' or something due to the way they had a headlight mounted to each elephant ear instead of a single one ahead of smokestack? 23:18:07 <dragonhorseboy> I do recall that it was due to often working snowy lines but that seem to be about it :/ 23:19:03 <Xaroth> dragonhorseboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Steam_locomotives_of_Japan ? 23:20:01 <dragonhorseboy> xaroth...that thing only list like the last few classes that worked the mainlines to the end so its useless.. ty anyhow 23:20:08 <Xaroth> ah 23:20:10 * Xaroth shrugs 23:20:46 <dragonhorseboy> it was kinda an interesting one to look at .. seeing two high headlights instead of one 23:20:50 <dragonhorseboy> thanks still ;) 23:23:26 <dragonhorseboy> xaroth btw I don't recall seeing this in other countries yet (as far as I know of steam myself) but there was one steam class that had a typical full height tender but the sides were narrower for most part. allowed the crew to see backward from the cab 23:23:46 <dragonhorseboy> kinda interesting .. narrow sides instead of just using a low profile tender 23:24:26 <Xaroth> if it works, it works :) 23:26:31 <dragonhorseboy> xaroth or how about this for germany: http://www.dbtrains.com/en/locomotives/epochII/BR61 23:26:40 <dragonhorseboy> a tank locomotive built for streamlined express service 23:27:01 <dragonhorseboy> normally you don't even expect streamlining on a tank locomotive 23:27:21 <Xaroth> heh 23:27:23 <dragonhorseboy> 175km/h too .. I guess it needed to get fuel at most stops it made 23:27:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:47 <dragonhorseboy> anyway afk for a while ;) 23:27:47 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:16 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 23:30:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB06.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:42 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-210-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: german railway also had a high speed tank engine (BR 61 i think) 23:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause> ah 23:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i should read more closely :p 23:33:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it operated between Berlin and Dresden, refuelling on both stations 23:34:32 <Xaroth> Eddi|HalfAsleep? :P 23:35:04 *** Goulp [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i was skimming through lines, and he talked about japanese engines at first... 23:35:55 <Eddi|zuHause> and i was thinking "wait... japan has narrow gauge, why would they have a 175km/h engine?" 23:38:48 <Nite_Owl> Anyone use Winrar ? 23:39:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of question is that? 23:39:27 <dragonhorseboy> back 23:39:46 <Nite_Owl> As opposed to Winzip or some other compression utility 23:39:58 <dragonhorseboy> I've liked many of the DB locomotives in all class types (steam, diesel, turbine, etc) 23:40:05 <Eddi|zuHause> still, what kind of question is this? 23:40:30 <dragonhorseboy> japan as well .. and maybe just a few particular north america classes 23:40:31 <Nite_Owl> What happens when the evaluation time runs out with Winrar 23:40:41 <PeterT> "please buy winrar" 23:40:43 <PeterT> press close 23:40:55 <dragonhorseboy> nite_owl well 7zip can handle what winzip/winrar/winace does and more 23:41:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it keeps bugging you 23:41:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but it still works 23:41:29 <sawtooth> then you just go get 7zip or something to unpack the rar's with 23:41:40 <Nite_Owl> Thank you - That is what I wanted to know 23:41:47 <sawtooth> aw, dragonhorseboy beat me to it :) 23:41:56 <dragonhorseboy> you do have to admit.. purple+cream kinda goes with the BR61 itself 23:42:11 <Nite_Owl> is 7zip free 23:42:15 <sawtooth> yes 23:42:27 <dragonhorseboy> nite_owl its open source after all? :p 23:42:53 <Nite_Owl> Hmmmm (lights up Google) 23:43:10 <dragonhorseboy> umm its just 7zip.org why be lazy? :p 23:43:19 <dragonhorseboy> heh 23:43:32 <sawtooth> 7-zip.org 23:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there's at least a dozen variants how that could be spelled 23:44:01 <Nite_Owl> I did not know that but I am already there - thanks again 23:45:09 <dragonhorseboy> eddi..btw russia had one crazy locomotive that didn't even run much distance at all before it was set aside for good .. it was 14 coupled, splitted every single switch it tried to branch on 23:45:29 <dragonhorseboy> I think 10 coupled was as big as they should had gotten and if you needed more .. articulate it instead 23:45:46 <dragonhorseboy> although UP did have some 12 coupled for their flatland routes .. so hmm no comment on that one 23:46:42 <dragonhorseboy> articulated's on the other hand.. Erie (fallen flag usa railroad) tried triplex articulation and it failed to insufficent boiler pressure for six pistons 23:47:08 <dragonhorseboy> the third set was underneath the tender if you had to ask 23:49:44 <dragonhorseboy> here it is if you're wondering http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCoLOCO/triplex/mattshay.jpg 23:50:58 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-44-188.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:40 <Coco-Banana-Man> andythenorth? 23:52:22 <Coco-Banana-Man> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=848105#p848105 <--- Could there also be a "random" setting then? :) 23:54:09 <dragonhorseboy> *waits for forum link to load* 23:54:34 <Coco-Banana-Man> (maybe except Metropolitan - and "Mountains" in arctic and "Tropical Island" in sub-tropic only... 23:54:36 <Coco-Banana-Man> ) 23:55:31 <Coco-Banana-Man> hmm.. 23:55:33 <dragonhorseboy> hmm 23:55:44 <dragonhorseboy> as long as it leaves an 'original' setting alone I wouldn't mind it 23:55:55 <dragonhorseboy> alak all industries are present at their typical spread (as it is now in the current grf) 23:56:08 <dragonhorseboy> what you think coco? 23:56:22 <Coco-Banana-Man> or could Mountains also depend on the terrain type? 23:57:27 <Coco-Banana-Man> I believe that's what he means by "Basic" setting 23:57:54 <dragonhorseboy> hmm ok 23:58:12 <dragonhorseboy> because I wouldn't want to load a map and see that there's several industries missing that were in the FIRS website list ;) 23:58:17 <Coco-Banana-Man> or Extreme... 23:58:20 <dragonhorseboy> but heh we'll see