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00:00:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Lapsus: 99% of the cases it's a router/firewall issue 00:00:55 <gathers> SpComb: what steps do you want to avoid? 00:01:12 <Rubidium> Lapsus: something at 'your' side of the internet blocks it. Can't say whether it's at ISP level, or some local network configuration, but on OpenTTD's side nothing is blocked 00:01:22 <Nick> And another question,whats better? -using trains or road vehiculs 00:01:32 <Yexo> whatever you like more :) 00:01:32 <Xaroth> depends on your playstyle 00:01:37 <Nick> ah ok 00:01:39 <Xaroth> ttd is a sandbox game 00:01:44 <Nick> lol 00:01:48 <Xaroth> if it's hard to survive, you're doing it wrong 00:01:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Nick: trains tend to be the most complex (and thus most interesting) ones 00:01:57 <Nick> i know its really easy 00:02:10 <Nick> yeah thats what i've discovered 00:02:13 <Xaroth> trains can be really easy to get going, but really complex to get going good 00:02:19 *** dydt [~dydt@40.83.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:02:21 <gathers> Eddi|zuHause: I know, I tried to go through it piece by piece manually but didn't get very far.. 00:02:36 <Nick> alright guys 00:02:37 <Nick> ty 00:02:37 <dydt> Hi, what type of algorithm is used in openttd to determine which tiles are on screen? 00:02:37 <Nick> i gtg 00:02:38 <Xaroth> and if you want to know the difference between going and going good, you should check out some of the openttdcoop maps 00:02:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Nick: road vehicles are easier, but don't have as much capacity 00:03:00 <Rubidium> gathers: http://rbijker.net/openttd/ITiM_2009-11-20.bundle.gz (don't be fooled by the date though) 00:03:12 <Xaroth> Nick: http://www.openttdcoop.ORG/wiki/PublicServer:Archive 00:03:54 <Yexo> dydt: no idea, but that code is in src/viewport.cpp 00:03:54 <gathers> Rubidium: thanks a lot! :) 00:04:01 <Eddi|zuHause> dydt: afaik it's a simple linear transformation, and checking the screen boundaries + maximum sprite size (256 pixels) 00:04:29 <Rubidium> gathers: don't expect the binary to work though; it's somewhere half-way in a merge IIRC 00:05:47 <SpComb> gathers: having to generate a .patch for each branch 00:05:53 <gathers> Rubidium: I'll report any bugs or crashes on flyspray ;) 00:06:02 <Rubidium> gathers: uhm... NO 00:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> dydt: maybe you find hints about it in the discussion to the "more height levels" patch, as they must have changed this part 00:06:32 <Rubidium> it's some third party patch that the actual developer isn't even happy with to post on the forum for usage 00:06:49 <dydt> Eddi|zuHause: thanks i'll look into it 00:06:52 <gathers> Rubidium: I know, was just kidding! :P 00:06:56 <Rubidium> so it's definitely not trunk material and as such bug reports for it won't be fixed by us 00:14:48 <gathers> SpComb: I have a script that makes patches for me, vs trunk and then vs cargodist, with svn-rev in the filename. But not for each branch. 00:17:44 <SpComb> gathers: fonso has some kind of Makefile for it 00:18:57 <PeterT> ah yes > http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/patches/ 00:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> man, it's difficult to explain to people why they shouldn't expect any daylength patch in trunk in the near or even middle future 00:22:52 <PeterT> it's easy > "because we said so" 00:23:17 <SpComb> "Just don't try to understand what it does when you look at your vehicles, I just gave up myself. The only matter is that after some time separation is ok" 00:23:20 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's unexplainable, especially on that German forum you're probably speaking about 00:23:31 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 00:24:12 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: well, it depends on what you expect in terms of a variable daylength's effect on gameplay 00:24:35 <SpComb> it's perfectly playable and enjoyable with a couple fixes, but yes, it does change the gameplay 00:25:31 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: but "perfectly playable" is even one step further away from trunk as "well tested" 00:26:42 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: What topic are you looking at? I can't find a development section 00:26:54 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.121] has joined #openttd 00:26:59 <PeterT> this one? http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php%3Ftid%3D4474&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiPCC-60Nnh2_knEr8gFyNt4-D5Cg 00:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: as Rubidium mentioned, it's in the german forum 00:27:18 <PeterT> I have a translator 00:27:50 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:28:10 <PeterT> what is "durchzuexerzieren"? 00:28:51 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that is not the exact thread i was talking about 00:28:55 <PeterT> Oh 00:29:06 <PeterT> the 1.0.0-beta2 one, Eddi? 00:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: and it's the 2nd participle of "durchexerzieren" ;) 00:31:04 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9C42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 00:31:41 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: obviously google translator has not managed all fine details of german grammar ;) 00:31:46 <PeterT> yes 00:31:54 <PeterT> a bit hard to read the thread 00:31:58 <PeterT> +s 00:32:06 <PeterT> You have quite a few posts, Eddi|zuHause 00:32:07 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:21 <PeterT> 1 percent of all posts 00:32:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:33 <PeterT> 1 percent of all posts 00:32:41 <SpComb> curiously enough, I know how to read german 00:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: it's not that difficult to have 1% of the posts at a forum with less than 100 active people :p 00:33:30 *** LSky` [~x@5ED419D4.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:34:02 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: well, my view is that changing the daylength will change the gameplay, and it's impossible to not change it 00:34:29 <SpComb> and apart from a couple of those, the changes are benign enough that I can accept them 00:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: just compare my 850 posts to MB's 2500 or Bernhards 7000 posts 00:34:42 <PeterT> yeah, I saw 00:34:49 <PeterT> Bernhard is the admin, I'm guessing? 00:34:55 <PeterT> or a very overly-active member? 00:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> he is one of the oldest members... 00:36:45 <orudge> at one point, there was a plan for the German TT forums to merge with TT-Forums 00:36:48 <orudge> but in the end it never went through 00:36:55 <PeterT> How do you merge a forum? 00:37:01 <orudge> well 00:37:01 <PeterT> you would have to move all the posts? 00:37:08 <orudge> in this case, the plan was all the posts and users would be moved to tt-forums, yes 00:37:11 <PeterT> or you, orudge, would make a new section 00:37:13 <orudge> obviously, separate categories 00:37:33 <PeterT> I think it would be a great idea 00:37:58 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: i don't know why it failed, but currently i don't see a need to merge either... 00:38:24 <Rubidium> argh... I don't like the sound my computer is making right now... sounds too much like head scratching platter :( 00:39:15 <ss23> Rubidium: Raid for win 00:39:58 <Rubidium> as long as it's a sane raid yes, but it's a laptop 00:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> laptop raid sounds fun ;) 00:40:44 <ss23> Psh 00:40:49 <ss23> Laptops are redundant 00:42:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:59 <Rubidium> yeah, in the same way RAID0 is redundant! 00:43:08 <SpComb> redundant data 00:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but "AID0" does not sound very well ;) 00:43:42 <ss23> Definitly not the same kind of redundancy >.< 00:43:48 <orudge> Eddi|zuHause: well, indeed, but as I say, this was quite a few years ago now 00:44:01 <SpComb> gathers: but myes, I'll certainly give autosep a try... so far, I've done a lot of manual separation - clone trains at two different depots and skip orders :) 00:44:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-223-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:27 <SpComb> gathers: I guess what the feature mostly needs is strong docs (both user and code) 00:44:56 <SpComb> I'll try patching it in and see if I can make some sense out of the code in that context, but I had trouble following just the diff itself 00:45:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:45:27 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: my experience is that without a strict separation of language forums, more people who don't speak the language poke in and "disturb" the flow... 00:45:38 <SpComb> gathers: do you have any opinions as to future plans for trunk? 00:45:39 <gathers> SpComb: I've in fact not spent a lot of time in the actual separation part myself ;) Want a git format-patch? 00:45:57 <SpComb> gathers: the patch in your thread looks fine 00:46:17 <SpComb> but I've barely even understood trunk's timetable stuff yet 00:46:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:47 <gathers> SpComb: I had the idea of going through the separation part more closely and rewriting it myself if needed. It works, but it might be made better. 00:48:35 <SpComb> well yes, one needs to understand the code to be able to maintain it :P 00:48:37 <gathers> I had to add things like ignoring stopped vehicles, and there are still some bugs with those. 00:49:09 <SpComb> but it's already almost 3am here 00:49:12 <gathers> yes, it's actually two patches in one.. mine that updates the timetable and magicbuzz's that separates ;) 00:49:14 <SpComb> this is for tomorrow 00:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean today. :) 00:49:37 <gathers> almost 2am here 00:49:56 <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: to-morrow, as in, morrow -> morning 00:50:02 <SpComb> you know what I mean 00:50:04 <SpComb> --> 00:50:13 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:27 <PeterT> oh, you guys :-) 00:54:22 <gathers> off to bed now, but I'll probably be here tomorrow/today 00:58:57 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest2940 00:58:57 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.121] has joined #openttd 01:03:43 *** Penda 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seconds] 01:57:14 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:47 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 02:09:16 *** DaZ_ [~ident-dwa@cmo128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 02:13:33 *** DaZ [~ident-dwa@dsa175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:53 *** AC6000_ [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:17:56 *** roboboy [7248f17a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:18:46 *** nick [nick@modemcable254.105-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 02:18:54 <nick> Hello everyone 02:19:28 <ss23> Hi Doctor Nick 02:19:43 <ss23> Sorry, couldn't resist :P 02:20:13 <AC6000_> no, its hello everybody :P 02:22:09 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:10 <PeterT> AC6000_: No, it's Hello everyone 02:22:32 <AC6000_> you sure? 02:22:39 *** AC6000_ is now known as AC6000 02:23:05 <PeterT> AC6000: 02:23:06 <PeterT> <nick> Hello everyone 02:23:07 <ss23> Close >.< 02:23:10 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.77] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:16 <PeterT> pretty damn sure 02:23:20 <KenjiE20|LT> reference fail 02:23:36 <PeterT> KenjiE20|LT fail 02:23:41 <KenjiE20|LT> seriously, how do you fail to get that reference 02:24:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.77] has joined #openttd 02:27:13 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.77] has quit [] 02:34:35 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8db92.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:47 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 02:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, not everybody has english as native language, and thus won't get many english references 02:46:33 <PeterT> except English is my native language 02:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i seriously don't know the reference, so i can't judge if you're missing it or just being sarcastic 02:48:27 <PeterT> I really don't know 02:48:40 <PeterT> google seems to suggest Doctor Nick is some kind of Matt Groening character 02:57:29 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:05 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 03:12:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:18 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:34:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gnight] 03:40:13 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 03:48:32 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d07e:1:197f:34da:6b9f:b4f8] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 03:55:21 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:47 *** Wizzleby 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[~z@219-90-147-209.ip.adam.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:22:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@1.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:22:29 <Terkhen> good morning 07:22:54 *** roboboy [724a9079@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:27:30 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 07:30:22 *** dydt [~dydt@40.83.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [] 07:32:58 <peter1138> hellooo 07:33:30 <__ln> you could say that 07:34:33 *** roboboy [724a9079@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:51:14 <peter1138> i did 08:00:50 *** LSky` [~x@5ED419D4.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:08:24 <Goulp> @seen patchbot 08:08:24 <DorpsGek> Goulp: I have not seen patchbot. 08:20:08 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 08:20:20 *** phalax_ [~quassel@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 08:20:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:23:37 *** Polygon 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Hackykid [~quassel@dyn241-hg.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:17 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:36:07 <Zuu> Anyone happen to to traffic engineering in germany or for other reason knowns about HBS 2001? 11:36:56 <Zuu> My german knowledge is almost zero so I have to go through google translate :-s 11:37:28 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbuch_f?r_die_Bemessung_von_Strassenverkehrsanlagen <- you mean this? 11:38:48 <Zuu> Yep 11:39:12 <planetmaker> uh... what a bulky title ;-) 11:39:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 11:39:37 <Zuu> It is partly based on american HCM (Highway capacity manual) 11:39:45 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: bureaucracy tends to get bulky ;) 11:39:59 <planetmaker> I know. And it sounds like A LOT of burocracy 11:40:08 <planetmaker> *bureaucracy 11:41:12 * planetmaker looks on the shelve with the files... a few DinA4 files of "technical handbooks" - which is basically the bureaucratic description on which screw to use, which material and how to qualify a screw driver :-P 11:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the titles of laws are a very good example of those, too ;) 11:42:06 <planetmaker> For those reasons I already signed a statement that I (as project manager) will supervise myself in order to make sure that I (as phd student) don't work on my own on the experiment. 11:42:09 <planetmaker> Alas. 11:42:18 <Zuu> IIRC HCM 2000 was about 4000 pages or so. The 2010-edition of the capacity models will be a simplification of the 2000-edition. 11:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: anyway, i have no idea what's in there... 11:42:52 *** roboboy [7248daf1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:43:15 <Zuu> Okay, didn't had any high expectations. I'll email the company that makes the capacity calculation program based on HBS 2001 and ask them. 11:43:54 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 11:47:26 *** Uberubert [~chatzilla@40-103-8.connect.netcom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:50 <Sevalecan> mmm wow 11:48:57 <Sevalecan> the diaglvl patch is lovely \o/ 11:49:08 <Bluelight> diaglvl? 11:49:26 <Sevalecan> it allows you to level land diagonally 11:49:42 <Bluelight> Whenever someone writes something.. I'm a question mark.. 11:50:21 <Bluelight> I can manage without really.. 11:50:48 <Sevalecan> well, I could manage without playing openttd at all 11:50:59 <Sevalecan> but I don't choose to do that :P 11:51:22 <Bluelight> Did PeterT make it? 11:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> did PeterT ever make _anything_? 11:51:47 <Sevalecan> http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=730&action=details.add_notification&ids=730&user_id=1514 11:52:10 <Bluelight> Does that mean he makes everything? lol 11:52:38 <peter1138> he just finds random ancient patches and posts binaries 11:53:08 <Bluelight> Ok 11:53:34 <Bluelight> So I don't have to compile? 11:54:05 <Bluelight> Anyone here using Code::Blocks? 11:54:53 <erani> \o 11:56:00 <Bluelight> Ohh.. It has a bug.. :) 11:56:20 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:56:26 <peter1138> that wouldn't surprise me 11:57:27 <Terkhen> what bug? 11:58:13 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:58:19 <Bluelight> Sevalecan wrote it just up here.. ^ 11:58:58 <__ln> can i request more than one address for an interface using udhcpc? 11:59:05 <peter1138> unlikely 11:59:35 <Terkhen> that bug is corrected, check the patch thread 12:01:05 <roboboy> hello 12:06:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.139.130] has joined #openttd 12:14:49 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@37.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:17:56 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@dyn241-hg.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:10 <__ln> Rubidium: about the VS2010 global include path restriction; how about using an environment variable to indicate where things are? 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Please, take care of them!] 14:34:03 <Belugas> planetmaker, Rubidium. I salute you both 14:34:17 <Belugas> Rubidium, you're having a rough one? Well.. join the club ;) 14:34:36 <planetmaker> :-( @ Rubidium - may you make the best of it then. 14:35:00 <Rubidium> well, talked Dell into replacing the motherboard, now also get them to replace more stuff that I don't trust anymore 14:35:24 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:35:30 <Rubidium> well... talked... they say me: run that tool, I give them the error that it gives me :( 14:36:00 <planetmaker> meh :S 14:36:06 <Rubidium> invalid opcode exceptions are really "nice" if they happen in Dell's diagnostics tool 14:36:08 <planetmaker> your private machine? 14:36:12 <Rubidium> yup 14:36:41 <planetmaker> But then Dell is normally quite good with their service... from my experience with these machines here. 14:36:59 <Rubidium> I'm sooo happy now I paid the 10 euro extra for bluray burner instead of dvd reader + 3 year "at home" warranty 14:37:38 <Rubidium> anyhow, waiting for the diagnostics tool to finish is boring 14:37:47 <planetmaker> he, yes, I assume so 14:38:04 <Rubidium> and I don't fancy installing X on my server 14:38:17 <planetmaker> :-O 14:38:21 <Belugas> oooch... seems like a bad day indeed :S 14:39:17 <Rubidium> anyhow, what would you do when the computer makes sounds like a head scraping the platter (okay, from what I remember when I opened a HDD a dozen years ago) 14:40:15 <planetmaker> I'd buy a new HD and try with that one 14:40:46 <Rubidium> I'd make a backup and run as much diagnostics tests till it says it's broken :) 14:41:04 <Belugas> and if you're looking at the wrong part? 14:41:05 <Rubidium> and let it be replaced under warranty 14:41:24 <planetmaker> well. And after I got the new HDD working, I'd make a backup of the suspected HDD. And then I'd try to test it 14:41:28 <planetmaker> in that order :-) 14:41:45 <Rubidium> oh, I already made the backup... don't worry about that :) 14:41:50 <planetmaker> :-) 14:41:55 <planetmaker> I assumed nothing else 14:42:23 <planetmaker> And my current machines don't have warrenty anymore... so exchanging the HDD is safe in that respect 14:43:31 <planetmaker> but... if you have warranty, Rubidium, isn't it Dell's task to find and fix the error (instead of yours)? 14:43:55 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes, I called them already... they promised me a new motherboard already 14:44:21 <Rubidium> and then I had to do a disk diagnostics of them (probably so the "engineer" can take a HDD with him) 14:44:32 <planetmaker> is that warranty "replace at your place" or "ship computer to them"? 14:44:43 <Rubidium> replace at my place :) 14:44:51 <planetmaker> sounds good :-) 14:45:40 <Rubidium> as I said... 1 year carry in + dvd player -> 3 year at home + bluray burner update for 10 euros is a good deal, especially when it breaks :) 14:46:01 <Rubidium> cause sending it probably means sending it to Poland, which means at least a week without computer 14:46:37 <planetmaker> yeah. That's why I asked :-) 14:47:14 <planetmaker> though it wouldn't matter much whether it's in NL in PL or anywhere else in the EU actually. 14:47:15 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:52 <Rubidium> having said that... this laptop is "Made in Poland" and it's already the second 'defect' in one year, the other was "Made in Ireland" and still works after 5 years of heavy use 14:49:17 <planetmaker> he. 14:53:41 <Goulp> Dell/HP or Dell/Dell ? 14:54:05 <Rubidium> Dell/Dell 14:54:33 <psnailin> notebooks and problems.. I just had mine replaced with a brand new one 14:54:34 <Goulp> hum Dell laptop are not at the top 14:54:40 <psnailin> HP Compaq 14:55:44 <Rubidium> name me a better brand that does 15" WUXGA :) 14:55:57 <Rubidium> at a reasonable price 14:56:02 <SpComb> my IBM laptop is three years old and it's never been in warranty... worst issue was the rubber pads on the bottom falling off 14:56:06 <Forked> wuxga is 1680x1050 right? 14:56:11 <Goulp> yeap dell is cheap 14:56:13 <psnailin> well, my MB fried.. 14:56:16 <psnailin> after 1/5 years 14:56:17 <Rubidium> Forked: 1920x1200 14:56:18 <SpComb> well, ok, the AC charger cord frayed and I had to buy a new one off ebay 14:56:19 <psnailin> *1.5 years 14:56:20 <Forked> o 14:56:21 <Forked> tiny 14:56:33 <psnailin> out of warranty.. but got a free replacement after some pressure 14:56:39 <Rubidium> my previous Dell is 5 years and still works 14:56:54 <Forked> my hp compaq nx7010 is 5 years old and works great 14:56:56 <Rubidium> was also a laptop with WUXGA :) 14:57:13 <Forked> 1680x1050 on 15.4" .. plenty good enough :) 14:57:15 <Rubidium> only "problem" with that was that it was "slow" 14:57:42 <Rubidium> by last year's standards 15:06:19 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has joined #openttd 15:07:20 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:50 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 15:23:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:26:01 * SpComb wonders if you're even supposed to understand the automated timetables 15:26:22 <SpComb> but curiously enough, it seems to work pretty much perfectly 15:28:02 <gathers> SpComb, they can behave strangely the first rounds, but eventually things turn out more or less ok? 15:30:26 <SpComb> well, this isn't a very complicated game that I'm testing it with 15:31:35 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:32:34 <SpComb> but with four trains on a route with three stations at similar intervals, the trains meet at the middle station pretty much perfectly every time 15:33:27 *** evilNirvana [~z@219-90-147-209.ip.adam.com.au] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 15:33:39 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-16-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:34:03 <SpComb> but the stay-at-station interval seems to go pretty darn high 15:34:40 <gathers> what's it at? and how late are they? 15:35:19 <gathers> it's only supposed to get high if the arrivals are very random or if there are many late vehicles 15:35:44 <SpComb> somewhere around 500 ticks at the middle station (small town), and they aren't very late 15:36:05 <SpComb> mostly on time 15:36:06 <gathers> though I've had overflows where I messed up mixing signed and unsigned, then they can get set to 13000+ ;) 15:36:51 <SpComb> but I guess that's just the normal load/unload interval for these trains 15:37:08 <gathers> if they load faster the times should drop 15:37:23 <SpComb> ah yes, this is without cargodist, so all the pax from the big cities at each end of the line get off at the middle station :) 15:37:31 <SpComb> -> long unload times at the tiny town station 15:37:50 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-201-16-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:58 *** TrueBrain [91764884@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:54 <SpComb> so it's mostly just the long unload times, but they do spend some extra time there 15:39:43 <gathers> I've hardcoded 20 extra ticks for each loading order 15:40:03 <gathers> so there's something to compensate for minor delays 15:40:49 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:41:58 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 15:41:58 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 15:41:58 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http://dev.openttdcoop.org] 15:42:42 <psnailin> someone down here good at compiling for windows? I'd like to compile the latest Head2Head but cant get it to work :| 15:43:35 <planetmaker> that's a bit vague error description, don't you think? 15:44:19 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I did send you that glass bowl, didn't I? 15:44:35 <planetmaker> Yes. But it got a crack during transport 15:44:41 <psnailin> well, i've just never compiled on windows before. http://hg.openttd.org/developers/yexo/head-to-head.hg/ <-- the latest zip is what im trying to compile into a working windows version 15:45:03 <TrueBrain> that explains :) 15:45:21 <KenjiE20> hehe TB 15:45:28 <planetmaker> and you followed the usual tutorials available on how to compile OpenTTD on windoze? 15:45:30 <Yexo> psnailin: if you post a complete error log then we might be able to help 15:45:35 <Yexo> welcome back TrueBrain :) 15:47:41 <Rubidium> I'd say, first try to compile 'trunk' OpenTTD when following the manual. Once that succeeds try modified sources (like head-to-head) 15:47:53 <psnailin> hmmz alright, lets try that then :) 15:48:13 <psnailin> also found a guide to compile windows game in linux.. that might be easier 15:48:31 <planetmaker> if you think so... 15:48:50 <psnailin> used to linux.. 15:49:46 <psnailin> Yexo, considering its your source, the april version is indeed the latest compiled version? 15:49:59 <Yexo> latest version compiled by the compile farm, yes 15:50:08 <Yexo> of course I do compile when I sync with trunk 15:50:27 <psnailin> Do you have a more recent version around :) 15:50:28 *** fjb is now known as Guest3060 15:50:30 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EF6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:40 <Yexo> not anymore 15:50:50 <psnailin> hmmz, then im going to dig into compiling again :) 15:50:50 <planetmaker> you gave up on it? 15:51:21 <psnailin> no, nopez 15:51:30 <planetmaker> I meant Yexo ;-P 15:51:40 <Yexo> oh :) 15:52:04 <Yexo> no, but most of the time I build a debug build when testing and then throw it away when done 15:52:07 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:18 <Yexo> so I don't have a recent binary around 15:52:23 <planetmaker> ah, ok. :-) *peeew* 15:53:20 <planetmaker> I'm mostly just too lazy to make clean afterwards ;-) 15:53:30 <planetmaker> I only do that when I pick up something again :-P 15:53:45 <TrueBrain> something or someone? 15:54:10 <TrueBrain> Yexo: we can also put the CF to work? 15:54:10 <planetmaker> :-P 15:54:39 <planetmaker> no no. Let him learn to compile ;-) 15:55:17 <Yexo> I'm with planetmaker, not worth the effort of starting the cf 15:55:32 <psnailin> it should be that hard.. but M$ doesnt ./configure 15:55:36 <psnailin> *shouldnt 15:55:39 <Yexo> plus in that case I'd want to test a bit more thoroughly if everything still works as expected 15:55:58 <psnailin> but its a great feature Yexo :) 15:56:11 <planetmaker> psnailin, depends upon which compile evironment you use... MSVC or MinGW/MSYS 15:56:26 <Yexo> psnailin: original idea and implementation where by TrueBrain :) 15:56:47 <psnailin> im switching to MinGW atm 15:57:10 *** Guest3060 [~frank@p5485B3D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:20 <SpComb> heh, I can see it now... released three trains at the same time on a long route... now they're spending aaaaages waiting at the first station :) 15:57:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 15:58:09 <SpComb> like... they spend two months waiting at the station 15:59:02 <Rubidium> @calc 2 * 30 * 74 15:59:03 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 4440 15:59:15 <SpComb> well, even as much as three for this third train 15:59:23 <SpComb> the timetable is 12.5k ticks long 15:59:30 <Rubidium> nowhere close to the 130000 mentioned before 15:59:32 <SpComb> so yes, 1/3 and 2/3 of that 15:59:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 15:59:38 <SpComb> no, it's right 16:00:10 <SpComb> assuming that these three trains all hit the first station at the same time, they have to wait 0/3, 1/3 and 2/3 of the whole timetable's duration there 16:00:18 <Rubidium> oh, that way :) 16:00:18 <SpComb> which is what they do 16:00:40 <SpComb> and now they're nicely separated 16:00:42 *** psnailin [57d39286@widget.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:00:42 <gathers> should they, or should they leave faster and gradually separate? 16:00:50 <SpComb> well yes, that would obviously be better 16:00:55 <SpComb> not having the block the station for aages 16:01:25 <Rubidium> but then they don't notice the separation is in effect 16:04:09 *** psnailin2 [~SPMVekaro@ip134-146-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 16:04:10 <gathers> maybe waiting at most "timetable_duration / num_of_orders" or something would be a compromise? or loading_time * 10 16:04:14 <SpComb> but what I seem to be seeing is that the trains tend to spend quite a while waiting at each station 16:04:28 <gathers> especially with small airports, blocking isn't very nice 16:04:30 <SpComb> well, that's the start date 16:04:57 <SpComb> (i.e. it staggers the start date, causing them to wait at the first station) 16:05:17 <SpComb> but in addition to that, the wait times at each station just seems suspiciously long somehow 16:05:42 <gathers> the way it works when releasing them all at once is they they are way off time when they arrive, so it compensates for both random arrivals and late vehicles by adding wait time 16:08:33 <SpComb> but it's definately an improvement, and the autosep works... I'm just trying to understand if these wait times are "normal" 16:10:30 <SpComb> just worried they they'd somehow escalate and lead to trains clogging up the stations 16:10:39 <gathers> did you see my description of how it updates the times at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=846559#p846559 ? 16:11:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:43 <SpComb> yes, but that was before I actually tried to play with it 16:12:58 <gathers> it doesn't always start off smoothly, but from my (not very extensive) testing things level out and improve with time. though not always as fast as would be ideal 16:13:15 <SpComb> not complaining about the staggered start dates 16:14:02 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm138.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1a42.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:02 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:21:11 *** Ammller [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:21:31 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 16:22:02 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:24:33 <SpComb> there's a "stay for 780 ticks" order, and after leaving, the train is still ~220 ticks late... 16:25:36 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:19 <psnailin2> and we are compiling :) 16:28:29 <gathers> lateness can also be adjusted when vehicles arrives at the first order, so it's possible it was "moved" to being more late just after leaving.. could the "mean lateness" for all trains have been 440 ticks early? 16:30:26 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:33 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 16:32:12 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 16:33:01 <psnailin2> woosh it works on linux :) 16:36:07 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:37:43 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable179.142-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 16:37:45 <dragonhorseboy> hey 16:39:10 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has quit [Quit: ???????????? ???????] 16:45:50 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has joined #openttd 16:46:06 <dragonhorseboy> wb woldemar 16:46:54 <woldemar> hi 16:49:00 *** psnailin2 [~SPMVekaro@ip134-146-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:14 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has quit [Quit: ???????????? ???????] 16:56:06 *** woldemar [~world@81.28.162.30] has joined #openttd 16:56:28 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-67.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:27 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 16:58:39 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-2-96.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:58:48 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:12 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:29 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc49.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:05 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:08:19 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 17:09:30 <erani> uh, hey. i'm studying some basic stuff of C, and I'm stuck with this problem 17:09:31 <erani> http://pastebin.org/79270 17:09:44 <erani> somehow program always skips the if -statement 17:10:12 <Rubidium> you're comparing pointers 17:10:26 <Rubidium> if you want to compare the strings use e.g. strcmp 17:11:01 <erani> oh. right 17:11:38 <erani> i've used python before so some basic things are confusing :D 17:12:02 <Rubidium> and that scanf usage doesn't look (buffer overflow) safe 17:13:17 <erani> yeah, i know that one, but i thought this would be fine just for this basic exercise :) 17:14:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you do realise you are doing his homework, right? 17:15:29 * dihedral hugs TrueBrain :-) 17:15:29 <SpComb> hmm... so if a vehicle is late, it compensates for the lateness by cutting the station-wait-time short? 17:15:49 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:16:41 <__ln> erani: printf() without a \n may not flush stdout before scanf. meaning your prompt will not show before it stops waiting for your guess. 17:16:50 <fjb> Trains do not always survive the crash with a road vehicle: http://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/zugunfall110.html 17:16:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:17:48 <__ln> :/ 17:17:51 <TrueBrain> ieuw, a dihedral ! 17:18:05 <TrueBrain> Lets make dinner ;) 17:18:06 <TrueBrain> Bbl :) 17:19:15 <__ln> No rule to make target `dinner'. Stop. 17:19:33 <dihedral> interesting! 17:19:50 <SmatZ> sudo make dinner 17:19:51 <dihedral> i get something else 17:19:55 <dihedral> # lets make dinner ;) 17:19:55 <dihedral> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `)' 17:19:59 <SpComb> gathers: anyways, here's the .sav I was trialing this on: http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/saves/autosep-test.sav 17:20:09 <dihedral> or 17:20:11 <dihedral> No command 'lets' found, did you mean: 17:20:11 <dihedral> Command 'less' from package 'less' (main) 17:20:11 <dihedral> Command 'lecs' from package 'atm-tools' (universe) 17:20:11 <dihedral> Command 'les' from package 'atm-tools' (universe) 17:20:13 <dihedral> lets: command not found 17:20:23 <dihedral> wtf 17:20:37 <dihedral> why the f*** does bash have to assume a typo!! 17:20:46 <erani> awwr, now i think i got it right (with some glue and tape) http://pastebin.org/79279 17:20:53 <SpComb> dihedral: that's ubuntu for you 17:20:54 <__ln> dihedral: you must be using some ubuntu crap. 17:21:04 <dihedral> yeah... i know 17:25:10 *** Sevalecan [Sevalecan@64.119.61.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:51 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1a42.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:15 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:31:54 <dragonhorseboy> oh hey spcomb .. meant to ask if you were planning to host the 'real' game this week or not that early? 17:35:38 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:31 <SpComb> dragonhorseboy: the weekend would be a good time to play 17:38:09 <dragonhorseboy> ok thats no problem 17:38:18 <dragonhorseboy> I was just wondering about a timeframe idea 17:38:50 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@235.69.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:57 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 17:41:02 <dragonhorseboy> well I'm going so bye ;) 17:41:13 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable179.142-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 17:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: i've been meaning to ask, could your last words be something that doesn't include my name before you disappear for a week? every time PeterT searches for you, i get a highlight :p 17:42:55 <Xaroth> dihedral: be glad it's not mistaking ls with sl :P 17:55:00 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth: what's "sl"? 17:55:37 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:56:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:12 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: sl's awesome. 17:59:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18868 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3547](r18776): Wrong comparator. 18:00:58 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-138-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:01:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d19e:d17c:208a:58d6] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 18:01:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:d19e:d17c:208a:58d6] has joined #openttd 18:01:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:07:53 <fonsinchen> That wasn't on purpose ... 18:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 18:08:11 <fonsinchen> I won't mention your name now ;) 18:08:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: just ignore dorpsgek in this channel :) 18:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but i like talking to DorpsGek! 18:10:34 <Rubidium> then do that in a private channel :) 18:10:58 <dihedral> had a job interview today - i applied for php dev and linux admin 18:11:16 *** Splex [~splex@n219079136170.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:16 <dihedral> the secretary passed my cv on, saying it was for windows admin 18:11:33 <SpComb> quite 18:11:40 <dihedral> that was the point in the interview where i was thinking of standing up and leaving right away 18:12:26 <dihedral> would not have been the first time i let down an offer because of the windows admin part :-P 18:13:03 <dihedral> s/let/turned/ 18:13:24 <SpComb> I interviewed for linux + python and mostly did Windows Mobile 18:14:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1a42.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:03 <dihedral> i don't do windows! yuck 18:15:26 <Rubidium> dihedral: tss... 18:16:15 <Rubidium> or are you afraid of doing chores? 18:19:18 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:01 <dihedral> :-P 18:23:12 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 18:27:13 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@2.161.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:51 <Sacro> http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w93/stinkybishop/NewImage.jpg 18:33:20 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@235.69.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:17 <Belugas> hoo.... Sacro URL... don't touch if at work 18:43:18 <Belugas> EVER! 18:45:12 *** Splex [~splex@n219078137059.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18869 /trunk/src/lang/ (serbian.txt slovenian.txt): 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 2 changes by etran 18:45:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: slovenian - 49 changes by ntadej 18:45:31 <welshdragon> Belugas: it's safe 18:48:25 <Sacro> Belugas: it's fine 18:48:29 <Sacro> i always tag if nsfw 18:51:52 <TrueBrain> sadly, mibbit opens all url images ... 18:51:54 <TrueBrain> very annoying 18:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: get a real client :p 18:53:28 <TrueBrain> yeah, I really should 18:53:31 <TrueBrain> I wish I wasn't so lazy 18:53:52 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Really? That's just *asking* for hello.jpg 18:54:16 <frosch123> hmm, now i searched for a stupid image to post, but googling for "true brain" resulted in images of truebrain :s 18:54:38 <TrueBrain> COOL! 18:55:14 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: I hope you understand what my counter reaction would be 18:55:14 <Sacro> haha 18:55:27 <Sacro> http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/1582/original/picard-facepalm.jpg 18:55:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:51 <Sacro> ooh, arch has opengfx and opensfx in the repos 18:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i never imagined explaining to germans that there is a difference between "kreisen" and "kreissen"... :p 18:58:49 <Coco-Banana-Man> kreißen..? 18:59:04 <TrueBrain> with valid UTF-8, yes 18:59:18 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/kreissen 18:59:54 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:59:57 <Coco-Banana-Man> ah, now I know ^^ 19:00:01 <Coco-Banana-Man> thank you 19:03:45 <TrueBrain> hmm .. donuts .. hmm .. 19:08:11 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 19:13:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:39 * frosch123 would also have written that word without ringel-s 19:19:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:21:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:23:53 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:45 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:20 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@2.161.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:06 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-138-175.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:49 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:39:09 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 19:43:44 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@2.161.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:03 <frosch123> hmm, 8.3.6 "default arguments" does not specify in which way they are associated to given parametes 19:46:25 <Noldo> 8.3.6 what? 19:46:52 <frosch123> c++ 98 19:56:27 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:57:18 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:58:15 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host123-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:11:11 <Wolf01> hello :D 20:13:07 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:41 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:16 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a wolf, i'm scared! 20:18:18 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-2-96.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-2-96.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:20:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:21:40 <TrueBrain> yeah 20:21:41 <TrueBrain> you are right 20:21:42 <TrueBrain> it is scary 20:23:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:05 <__ln> geometrical shapes are scary as well 20:32:00 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> only if you had a trauma as a child 20:33:46 <frosch123> as scary as implicit 0 -> NULL conversions? 20:34:31 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:03 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:37:11 <PeterT> hello 20:38:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:19 <SpComb> is it just me or does the improved town road layout make building good train stations more difficult 20:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> now that's the scariest of them all... 20:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: what do town roads have to do with stations? 20:38:54 <SpComb> it changes the layout of the town 20:41:47 <__ln> frosch123: what's implicit about that; NULL is 0. 20:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i've always found it a little weird distinguishing "NULL" and "Null" correctly ;) 20:45:23 *** Sevalecan [~Sevalecan@64.119.61.194] has joined #openttd 20:49:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-14-79-178.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 20:51:29 *** Sev_1 [Sevalecan@64.119.61.194] has joined #openttd 20:54:45 *** Sevalecan [~Sevalecan@64.119.61.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:44 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-217-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:07:08 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87-196-44-79.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 21:07:16 <HackaLittleBit> evenin 21:07:24 <PeterT> Hello, HackaLittleBit 21:07:34 <PeterT> Update to signals on bridges? 21:08:18 <HackaLittleBit> patience :) 21:10:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-146-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:10:33 <Xaroth> HackaLittleBit: next time just stick to the "It'll be done when it's done" .. duke nukem forever style :) 21:11:53 <HackaLittleBit> frosch123: Could you please tell me if the 16 bits of m2 of class 9 ,bridge ramp are available? I do not understand the "inherit" 21:12:14 <Yexo> inherit = see lines above 21:12:43 <HackaLittleBit> Just wanted to be shure 21:13:55 <HackaLittleBit> do you guys have plans in the near future of using those bits? 21:13:56 <TrueBrain> I AM BORED! 21:14:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:25 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: go make WT3.1 :) 21:14:27 <TrueBrain> inherit bits are used 21:14:31 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hmmm .. there is a plan 21:14:32 <frosch123> they would likely be used for "bridge pool", but that is not near future :p 21:14:33 <Yexo> no idea, I think a custom bridgeheads patch would need those bits 21:14:36 <TrueBrain> I also have the geoIP to do 21:14:56 <HackaLittleBit> I need them 21:15:23 <Yexo> not if that "brdige pool" was implemented :p 21:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use them for a bridge pool ;) 21:16:38 <peter1138> you can use whatever bits you like 21:18:10 <HackaLittleBit> just have an idea, max length bridge is 100, if I put every 6 tiles a signal I need 16 bits 21:18:23 <HackaLittleBit> that is m2 21:18:53 <HackaLittleBit> just simple on off signals 21:18:54 <peter1138> um 21:19:00 <peter1138> you have two bridge heads 21:19:22 <peter1138> and what about direction/type/state/etc 21:19:32 <HackaLittleBit> yes but when you mske signals on bridges just one way 21:19:49 <SmatZ> almost always? 21:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i know again why i don't want to support HackaLittleBit's way of doing signals on bridges... 21:21:39 <SmatZ> hehe 21:21:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:23:49 <HackaLittleBit> :) next patch tunnel/bridge patch is in the pipeline, lets see if you like that one more (trains can crash) 21:24:20 <PeterT> @seen Terkhen 21:24:20 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Terkhen was last seen in #openttd 9 hours, 24 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <Terkhen> that bug is corrected, check the patch thread 21:24:30 <PeterT> @logs 21:25:14 <HackaLittleBit> thanks guys , see ya 21:25:40 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87-196-44-79.net.novis.pt] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:26:54 <frosch123> hmm, DorpsGek has no ignore list 21:31:32 <PeterT> 12:41:29 < Eddi|zuHause> fonsinchen: i've been meaning to ask, could your last words be something that doesn't include my name before you disappear for a week? every time PeterT searches for you, i get a highlight :p 21:31:32 <PeterT> <-- lol 21:31:40 <PeterT> also, highlight :-p 21:36:40 <Belugas> bridge? Pool? ho... so tempting to go back in that sweet stuff... 21:36:43 <Belugas> mmh... 21:36:51 <Belugas> and stop the music? 21:36:52 <peter1138> /kb is so tempting ;p 21:36:54 <Belugas> naaaa.... 21:36:59 <Belugas> yup :D 21:38:24 <TrueBrain> frosch123: fixed 21:38:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that was quick ;) 21:38:39 <frosch123> :) 21:43:07 <TrueBrain> even global ignores exist 21:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> is it me or do these "connect different servers together" ideas get more and more obscure every time... 21:47:14 <TrueBrain> what this time? 21:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "Not to mention, if some sort of a tax would be paid for each unit of cargo passing trough you would basically have yourself different virtual countries connected together with customs and everything. It is indeed a good idea." 21:49:01 <TrueBrain> ghehe 21:49:04 <TrueBrain> it is a nice idea :) 21:49:12 <TrueBrain> not practicle, but a nice idea 21:50:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:55:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcc49.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:35 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Be back very soon] 21:56:03 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host13-161-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:56:03 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest3099 21:56:03 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 21:57:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.219.63] has joined #openttd 22:00:25 *** Guest3099 [~wolf01@host123-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:28 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:02:14 * AC6000 falls from out of nowhere and lands in his seat 22:04:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.198.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:17 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:47 <AC6000> hey Peter 22:09:50 <Belugas> let go home, shall we? 22:09:55 <Belugas> night boys 22:10:02 <AC6000> cya 22:18:21 <sparr> I remember playing Sim City, there were neighboring cities that influenced commerce and traffic 22:18:35 <sparr> (2000, that is) 22:18:41 <sparr> sadly they didn't make them do anything more in the Network Edition game 22:24:26 <andythenorth> evening 22:24:52 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm Aœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 22:26:20 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:48 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:5ce3:2393:1:3413:7c92:74bd:ecc5] has joined #openttd 22:28:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:32:47 <SpComb> give me diagonal stations already 22:32:56 <SpComb> and curved stations while you're at it, yes 22:33:22 <KingJ> and multi-level stations! 22:33:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d07e:1:3413:7c92:74bd:ecc5] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:56 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:37:26 <PeterT> AC6000: Hi 22:37:29 <PeterT> I wasn't here atm 22:37:34 <AC6000> lol 22:39:59 <Eoin> SpComb! 22:40:06 <Eoin> is there any openttd games going 22:41:13 <PeterT> Yes and No 22:41:42 <Eoin> :| 22:43:09 <Wolf01> 'night 22:43:17 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host13-161-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:43:30 <Bluelight> I've been playing OpenTTD all day.. 22:43:42 <Bluelight> Quitting soon.. 22:44:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <sparr> I remember playing Sim City, there were neighboring cities that influenced commerce and traffic <-- in SimCity 4 you have a whole region and can play multiple cities, but it's not free of issues... 22:45:03 <SpComb> Eoin: not on my part 22:46:54 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeje124.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:47:03 *** stuffcorpse_ [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:51:09 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@2.161.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:13 <Bluelight> My server just restarted, but I'm closing it very soon.. Just need something to eat.. 22:53:02 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 22:53:50 <SpComb> http://www.darkcoding.net/misc/openttd-trains-and-signals-for-beginners-a-tutorial/ 22:53:57 <SpComb> sillytracks 22:54:41 <Bluelight> Cool... A tutorial.. 22:56:05 <Lapsus> Tutorial! Awesome. 22:56:17 <Lapsus> I can link this when I make an openttd let's play :v 22:56:22 <SpComb> but it's silly D: 22:56:35 <SpComb> besides, you have path signals now 22:56:57 <Bluelight> Emm.. crappy colors on that site.. 22:57:03 <Lapsus> Well, if there's others you'd recommend, let me know 22:57:10 <Lapsus> I could always use more info :v 22:58:34 <TrueBrain> Rubidium / (other interested): about the mirror: I can get an estimate latitude / longitude of an IP. Based on that, we can calculate the 'closest' mirror. Good idea to use that? 22:59:36 <Bluelight> Ooo.. This tutorial is kind of n00by 22:59:40 <SpComb> http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/signal/yapp.php?lang=en 22:59:54 <SpComb> although the chapter links on his site are pretty well hidden 23:00:05 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that'd basically mean that everything east of Czech gets that mirror 23:00:25 <Rubidium> which means: the czech mirror probably gets the biggest load 23:00:37 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yup .. better ideas? 23:01:21 <SpComb> although it's pretty short 23:01:55 <SpComb> TrueBrain: network topology is more important than geographic distance 23:01:59 <Rubidium> if (northern america) US; if (uk+ireland) uk; if (benelux) nl; if (de) de; if (cz) cz; any that is least 'loaded' 23:02:27 <TrueBrain> SpComb^_: no shit ... but no way to figure that out based on 2 IPs without MUCH effort :p 23:02:37 <SpComb> so the obvious solution is to have an anycasted http:// url that you use to determine which mirror to use 23:02:44 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: the first parts, no doubt. The last part, that is what I try to balance 23:03:10 <TrueBrain> as if you are in France, you do NOT want the US mirror 23:04:19 <Rubidium> return northern_america ? us : random([uk, nl, cz]); ? 23:04:35 <Rubidium> maybe the few special cases I mentioned before 23:04:40 <TrueBrain> people in south america? :p 23:04:45 <|Terkhen|> good night 23:04:46 <TrueBrain> and what if it grows? 23:04:49 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@37.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:04:51 <TrueBrain> I try to find a better solution ;) 23:05:01 <PeterT> absolute pwnage > http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=850116#p850116 23:05:09 <TrueBrain> we can do: if within 500km of mirror, else random? 23:06:08 <Rubidium> well, either throw the 'fair' distribution of load out of the door or the strict localisation... although 23:06:37 <TrueBrain> I want France to end up at nl, and hu or what ever at cz 23:06:47 <TrueBrain> but if there is a .fr mirror, it should go there of course 23:06:50 *** nick [nick@modemcable254.105-22-96.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 23:06:51 <TrueBrain> then spain should go to there too 23:07:16 <Rubidium> calculate estimated distance between ip and all mirrors, then normalise where shortest distance is 1. Then multiply those with some number related to the load. 23:07:17 <SpComb> HE does that for their tunnelbroker: http://anycast.tunnelbroker.net/info.html 23:07:28 <nick> hey guys,I downloaded a version of openttd or ttd where the towns were more balanced 23:07:36 <SpComb> (best viewed without javascript, it seems) 23:07:39 *** roboboy [6e143896@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:07:41 <nick> like the population was almost equivalent in each town 23:07:42 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: not even a bad idea 23:07:50 <nick> does anyone know where to get it? 23:07:52 <nick> I lost it 23:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> nick: i have never heard about such a thing 23:08:13 <nick> aww 23:08:20 <nick> and also 23:08:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that way if cz gets very loaded you can let them switch to e.g. nl or uk 23:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and "balanced" is something very different from "equal" 23:08:26 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I suggest an addition: pick the top 3 shorest distance 23:08:35 <SpComb> is this content-server mirrors or http downloads? 23:08:45 <Rubidium> SpComb: http 23:08:49 <TrueBrain> content is http 23:08:52 <Rubidium> the content server isn't mirrored 23:08:53 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:08:58 <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS, no :) 23:09:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:31 <nick> also,when i would change settings,it was called patch setting,now its advanced settings,anyone knows where I can get the one I had before? 23:09:34 <TrueBrain> although the same algorithm could be applied for such mirrors ;) 23:09:58 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I like the idea. Pick top 3 shorest servers, normalize, multiply by load (exponential maybe?), pick lowest 23:09:59 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: not really; it doesn't do redirecting 23:10:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: we can add that :) 23:10:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the current stuff doesn't support that 23:10:30 <Yexo> nick: that must've been some version before 0.7 23:10:39 <TrueBrain> so? We let that use .nl ;) Later versions could use mirror idea 23:10:40 <nick> ahh ok thank you 23:10:47 <TrueBrain> but lets first mirror away the http, and see what traffic remains :) 23:10:49 <nick> Yexo: thank you 23:10:56 <Yexo> nick: http://binaries.openttd.org/binaries/ for old binaries 23:11:12 <Yexo> but if you played a patched build before you probably won't find it there 23:11:50 <nick> awww ok 23:12:43 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I'm not certain how much limiting to the 3 closest servers would help with 'sharing the load', but that's something we can look at later (if the distribution isn't reasonably fair we just tweak the settings) 23:12:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:13:05 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, it is just to keep things 'close' 23:13:11 <Rubidium> anyhow, would we 'remove' the current nl. mirror? 23:13:17 <TrueBrain> I don't like the idea of a France user ever hitting the US mirror ;) 23:13:30 <TrueBrain> if we can gain a new .nl mirror, yes 23:18:15 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc4-newt30-2-0-cust18.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 23:18:19 <TrueBrain> shouldn't be too much of a hussle to get a .nl mirror I guess 23:18:39 <TrueBrain> then we rename the current nl. to something like dist. or orig. ? 23:19:07 <Rubidium> meester :) 23:19:23 <TrueBrain> master. ;) 23:20:14 <Rubidium> doyoureallythinkweintendedthatyoudownloadfromhere.openttd.org 23:20:22 * AC6000 made a single track rail line with passing sidings using PBS :P 23:21:08 <TrueBrain> either way ..... I think we then have a nice idea on our hands 23:21:44 <Eddi|zuHause> AC6000: congratulations. 23:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> AC6000: does it lock up with 3 trains? :p 23:22:08 <AC6000> can i has cookie? :P 23:22:10 <TrueBrain> the IPv6 database seems to be wrong :( 23:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> AC6000: no, cookies are only for special people. 23:22:33 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: huh? 23:22:35 <AC6000> and no, i only have 4 trains on it (so far) 23:23:24 <TrueBrain> owh, I was requesting GeoIP for IPv6 23:23:24 <TrueBrain> failed 23:25:01 <TrueBrain> both seem to fail .. sad ... 23:25:29 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 23:25:52 <SpComb> GeoIP databases exist for IPv6? 23:26:09 <TrueBrain> http://geolite.maxmind.com/download/geoip/database/ 23:26:47 <SpComb> fancy that 23:27:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:28:02 <TrueBrain> if they would work, yes 23:30:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18870 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Prepare: 1.0.0-beta3 23:30:13 <luckz> where do I find a nice build with cargo dist and infrastructure sharing? 23:31:22 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:28 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 23:31:31 <Yexo> on the forum in one of the patch pack topics 23:31:44 <Yexo> that is, if such a build actually exists 23:32:01 *** DJ_Danni [DJ_Danni@88.149.48.164] has joined #openttd 23:32:03 <DJ_Danni> hi 23:32:12 <Yexo> hello DJ_Danni 23:32:12 <SpComb> and assuming said build is nice 23:33:25 <DJ_Danni> hey i need help. I have a Open TTD Server on Iceland. And always when i Restart she put my openttd.cfg to Defult. Somone that can help me? 23:33:29 <luckz> a few days ago somebody here said they were playing just that and that it's a lot more stable than it was a few months ago 23:33:33 <DJ_Danni> hey i need help. I have a Open TTD Server on Iceland. And always when i Restart she put my openttd.cfg to Defult. Somone that can help me? 23:33:41 <Eoin> DJ_Danni: Stop OpenTTD, edit cfg, save cfg 23:33:49 <DJ_Danni> Someone who can help me PM me 23:33:50 <roboboy> bye 23:33:56 <Rubidium> or start openttd with -x 23:34:01 <Yexo> or start openttd with the -x flag so it doesn't modify the config file 23:34:04 <SpComb> luckz: yes, it works very well, particularly with a little magic for the minimap link graph :P 23:34:12 <DJ_Danni> hey i need help. I have a Open TTD Server on Iceland. And always when i Restart she put my openttd.cfg to Defult. Somone that can help me? 23:34:13 <SpComb> luckz: now go read the wiki for compiling instructions :P 23:34:13 <DJ_Danni> Someone who can help me PM me 23:34:47 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:35:47 <DJ_Danni> (SOS)hey i need help. I have a Open TTD Server on Iceland. And always when i Restart she put my openttd.cfg to Defult. Somone that can help me? 23:35:56 <Yexo> @kick DJ_Danni enough spam now 23:36:02 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:13 <DJ_Danni> No i need help 23:36:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18871 /tags/1.0.0-beta3/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Release: 1.0.0-beta3 23:36:34 <Yexo> then read the response and stop copying your message 23:36:37 *** roboboy [6e143896@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:36:51 <DJ_Danni> I know 23:37:09 <DJ_Danni> Can you maby hekp me? 23:37:13 <DJ_Danni> Help 23:37:34 <Yexo> <Eoin> DJ_Danni: Stop OpenTTD, edit cfg, save cfg 23:37:36 <Yexo> <Yexo> or start openttd with the -x flag so it doesn't modify the config file 23:37:43 <Yexo> you already got 2 answers 23:37:55 <PeterT> weee!!!! 23:37:58 <luckz> SpComb: I'm sure not gonna compile anything, if there are no win32 builds floating about I simply won't play it until there are. 23:38:14 <PeterT> 1.0.0-beta3! 23:38:21 <DJ_Danni> I have do that but she always Reset my openttd.cfg 23:38:39 <PeterT> <Yexo> that is, if such a build actually exists <-- Not publically, not 23:38:41 <PeterT> *no 23:39:10 <Yexo> DJ_Danni: so first stop openttd, then edit the config file, then start it again 23:39:15 <luckz> any peculiar reason why nobody posted one on the forums? ages ago they'd always pop up. 23:39:25 <Yexo> then it should've read the settings from the config and when you exit save those settings back again 23:39:40 <Yexo> luckz: most likely because nobody made one 23:40:02 <DJ_Danni> I have try that and if i do that she still put my openttd.cfg to defukt. Can it be bechuse i do not have it on Read Only? 23:40:08 <SpComb> luckz: main reason I don't is because then I have to handle any crash reports that come up 23:40:26 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:47 <SpComb> I did a win32 cargodist+is2 build, but I've since decided that I don't want/need IS2 on gameplay grounds :) 23:40:52 <luckz> you don't *have* to at all 23:41:16 <DJ_Danni> Can that be? 23:41:17 <SpComb> luckz: well, it's my responsibility, and someone has to test the various patches themselves 23:41:50 <Yexo> DJ_Danni: no, normally the config file should not be read-only 23:42:03 <Yexo> if you want to make sure openttd doesn't modify it at all start openttd with the -x flag 23:42:09 <Yexo> as has been said twice before now 23:42:21 <luckz> SpComb: any other patches you recommend on gameplay grounds? :) 23:42:27 <Yexo> TrueBrain: how can I get DorpsGek to recognise me again 23:42:44 <DJ_Danni> Do you mean like this?(C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\openttd.exe -X) 23:42:48 <SpComb> luckz: currently going with the cargodist+daylength+autosep combo 23:42:58 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D96E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 23:42:58 <Yexo> yes, but a small x, not a capital X 23:43:18 <DJ_Danni> Then like this(C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\openttd.exe -x)? Right 23:43:24 <PeterT> Yexo: What does capital x do? 23:43:29 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 23:43:31 <SpComb> DJ_Danni: and be careful with C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\openttd.cfg vs any other .cfg you have 23:43:33 <Yexo> PeterT: try openttd -h 23:43:35 <TrueBrain> Yexo: tell him in a pm: identify Yexo <password> 23:43:37 <Yexo> \I have no idea 23:43:42 <DJ_Danni> I know 23:43:45 <TrueBrain> after that, you can add your hostmask 23:44:04 <Yexo> thanks 23:44:30 <DJ_Danni> Like now i ger othere Company in and i wan to take that off and also so i can get more loans but that dose not woork. 23:44:36 <PeterT> Yexo: -X doesn't seem to be there, I assume it's not used 23:44:57 <Yexo> congratulations for finding out yourself :) 23:45:32 <DJ_Danni> ? 23:45:33 <Yexo> DJ_Danni: editing your config file doesn't modify the settings of any existing savegames or scenarios 23:46:05 <luckz> SpComb: so basically the one you posted on the forums on the 10th, or something newer/different? 23:46:44 <SpComb> luckz: haven't posted anything with autosep yet 23:46:44 <luckz> SpComb: or does that one lack autosep? 23:46:47 <DJ_Danni> you mean if i use this (C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\openttd.exe -x) the she dose now put back to defult? 23:46:48 <luckz> oh 23:46:53 <Yexo> DJ_Danni: ah, those are difficulty settings, make sure to set the difficulty level to custom (=3) 23:47:05 <DJ_Danni> not 23:47:09 <luckz> SpComb: well, would you share your autosep build here and now? :P 23:47:20 <Yexo> if the difficulty level is not 3, then all other difficulty settings will be reset to the default for the chosen level 23:47:26 <DJ_Danni> How do i do that? 23:47:32 <SpComb> luckz: I haven't done a win32 build of that yet, I've just played it myself on linux 23:47:45 <luckz> mokay 23:47:51 <Yexo> edit diff_level in [difficulty] 23:48:19 <SpComb> luckz: but you can have a look in http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/builds/ 23:48:32 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:47 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-35.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:13 <PeterT> luckz: Look at openttd-everything-win32 23:52:43 <PeterT> updated > http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_1.0.0#1.0.0-beta3_.282010-01-21.29 23:53:39 <TrueBrain> no links for the revisions? 23:53:57 <PeterT> why would you link that? 23:54:46 <TrueBrain> why would you link the FS 23:55:24 <PeterT> because we have a template for that 23:55:33 <PeterT> {{Flyspray|####}} 23:55:38 <TrueBrain> good arguments, good arguments 23:55:42 <PeterT> I suppose I could make a revision template 23:55:49 <PeterT> Why don't you do it? 23:55:55 <PeterT> You seem to think it's important 23:56:31 <TrueBrain> @kban PeterT 60 and I don't like your tone mister 23:56:32 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by DorpsGek 23:56:32 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [and I don't like your tone mister] 23:57:34 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] by DorpsGek 23:57:36 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:49 <PeterT> and TrueBrain is back. 23:57:52 <PeterT> ;-) 23:58:08 <TrueBrain> yeah, and you clearly haven't change a bit ... 23:58:19 <TrueBrain> I suggest to tone it done .. it was a normal question, a normal answer could be replied 23:58:28 <Yexo> took you long to figure that out TrueBrain :p 23:58:41 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I am all for second chances :) 23:59:01 <Xaroth> as long as he can keep kicking him after every chance he messes up :) 23:59:13 <Yexo> argh, no I can't get ignore to work 23:59:28 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: GO TO SLEEP 23:59:33 <TrueBrain> :p 23:59:35 <Xaroth> ... good point! 23:59:36 <PeterT> TrueBrain: You are right, I just thought you were being sarcastic 23:59:54 <TrueBrain> PeterT: no, I was asking a question, wondering why the one was linked, the other was not