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00:00:09 <Rubidium> SpComb^: not everyone's my neighbour 00:00:44 <SpComb^> metaphorical 00:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: and if "neighbour" means "lives on the same planet"? 00:03:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then it's time to leave that planet 00:05:19 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 00:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> so then... all we need is a rocket scientist 00:08:46 <Rubidium> nah, a knive will do too 00:09:52 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:09:58 <rait> how do you physically leave the planet with a knife? 00:10:56 <Rubidium> by dying I ascent to a higher plane 00:11:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r18978 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#3584](r14753): possible invalid memory access when merging companies 00:11:08 <Rubidium> hmm, dieing? 00:11:18 <SpComb^> Rubidium: ruled by the guy that came up with this "love thy neighbour" rule 00:12:17 <Rubidium> another solution would be to cancel the "living" of the "neighbour" 00:12:24 <rait> ascension? some kind of reference to a certain sci-fi series? 00:12:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 00:13:10 <Eddi|zuHause> rait: no, we had enough discussion about that sci-fi series for one day :p 00:13:43 <rait> depending on the timezone you might have had it yesterday :) 00:14:08 *** PeterT [~Test@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:14:34 <Eddi|zuHause> days don't end on midnight in my world 00:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> days end when i go to sleep... 00:15:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that depends on the definition of midnight; if midnight is in the middle of your sleep it does 00:15:57 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: statistically, 0:00 CET does hardly ever fall in the period of time that i'm asleep 00:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> just look at the irc stats ;) 00:17:37 <Rubidium> #define midnight(eddi) (((eddi).begin_sleep + (eddi).end_sleep) / 2) 00:17:57 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:20:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:00 <Rubidium> wow, that was a short powernap :) 00:22:03 <Eddi|zuHause> aah... quiet... 00:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i turned off the other computer 00:23:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B34F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:42 <Eddi|zuHause> really, it's several orders of magnitude louder than the old one 00:25:06 * Rubidium wonders whether that's also the case when comparing the loudness in dBs 00:25:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have a noise-meter 00:27:23 <SpComb^> someone remind me why I would want to play multiplayer online with random people 00:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no clue... 00:31:07 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:31:20 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 00:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C29.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:01 <SpComb^> why is there a 255.255.255.255 server listed? :P 00:47:27 *** guru3_ [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has joined #openttd 00:47:48 <Rubidium> that sounds unlikely 00:47:54 <PeterT> I've had that before 00:48:58 <Rubidium> it isn't the master server's list 00:51:04 *** kjetil [~kjetil@213.184.207.62] has joined #openttd 00:51:41 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:17 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 00:52:24 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 00:52:37 *** murr4y [~murray@11.84-49-64.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:57 *** guru3 [~guru3@90-227-129-58-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:06 *** roboboy [7248ebb5@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:53:07 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:18 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:18 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 00:53:43 *** mib_dlf4vq [58934721@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:58:52 *** murr4y [~murray@11.84-49-64.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:02:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d8c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:42 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.63.208] has quit [Quit: ????] 01:32:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:58 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 01:38:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 01:46:12 *** roboboy [7248ebb5@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:47:18 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 01:48:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-248-160.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:59 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:12 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:45 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 02:31:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:33:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 02:34:27 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 02:46:24 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:10 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-64-222-232-11.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:54 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:07 *** roboboy [6e140f20@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:06:52 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 03:14:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-112-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:15:05 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 03:15:24 <PeterT> Evening, Nite_Owl 03:15:32 <PeterT> How're you doing? 03:15:45 <Nite_Owl> Hello PeterT - I am fine - How are you? 03:15:51 <PeterT> I'm good 03:15:57 <PeterT> How is florida this evening? 03:16:08 <Nite_Owl> Nice and cool 03:16:19 <PeterT> I might be going on vacation there 03:16:49 <Nite_Owl> this is the time of year for it 03:17:32 <Nite_Owl> although we did have a nasty cold snap a few weeks back 03:17:36 <PeterT> really? during the winter? 03:18:06 <Nite_Owl> much too hot and humid during the summer 03:18:25 <PeterT> Where do you recommend I go, Nite_Owl? 03:18:39 <Nite_Owl> actually not all that hot but the humidity is a killer 03:18:57 <Nite_Owl> depends on what you are looking for 03:19:38 <Nite_Owl> more adult good times - go to Miami 03:19:54 <Nite_Owl> family stuff - go to Orlando 03:20:45 <PeterT> I've been to Orlando 03:20:50 <PeterT> nice place 03:20:51 <Nite_Owl> of course almost any of the beaches are nice 03:33:41 <PeterT> I'm off for the night 03:34:58 *** roboboy [6e140f20@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 03:36:09 *** TMS [~Will@24-197-140-244.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:30 *** TMS [~Will@24-197-140-244.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #openttd 03:37:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:65f1:d9a:def8:4260] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:41:38 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 03:41:38 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57:01 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:11:37 <Diablo-D3> so 04:11:43 <Diablo-D3> that 32bit graphics thing looks nice 04:18:59 <Diablo-D3> you know 04:19:02 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:19:06 <Diablo-D3> some of these newgfx packs should be in by default 04:21:00 <Diablo-D3> like there should be multiple temperate zones 04:21:06 <Diablo-D3> american, european, and japanese 04:21:09 <Diablo-D3> or something like that 04:21:20 <Diablo-D3> so people can build different graphic sets =P 04:21:27 <Diablo-D3> without having to install newgfx packs 04:22:27 <Diablo-D3> hey guys, what do I install if I want AI players? 04:55:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.189.92] has joined #openttd 04:55:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.189.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:35 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-112-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 05:38:17 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-120.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 05:39:11 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-120.york.ac.uk] has left #openttd [] 05:41:29 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 05:41:50 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 06:04:12 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:46 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 06:15:45 * Diablo-D3 installs metro track set, egrvts, bigger depots, ev8 aviators, industrial stations renewal 06:38:31 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@73.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:38:44 <Terkhen> good morning 06:39:30 <Forked> morning =) 06:41:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@40.149.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:21 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 07:12:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:16:31 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:42:03 *** bartaway [~bartavell@bartabox.banquise.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:04 *** bartaway [~bartavell@bartabox.banquise.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:01 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 08:11:08 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 08:20:27 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 08:21:03 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:21:39 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [] 08:28:35 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:00:44 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:30 *** xi23_ [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 09:06:01 <peter1138> ah, right, now the auditor wants Administrator removed 09:06:24 <Noldo> auditor? 09:06:30 <peter1138> security 09:09:02 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:03 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-229-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:57 *** roboboy [6e142ad7@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:14:59 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-79-220.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 09:17:42 *** Markk [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 09:19:09 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 09:19:43 <bartavelle> hello 09:19:47 <planetmaker> moin 09:20:36 <bartavelle> nickserv identify troutrou 09:20:42 <planetmaker> interesting. 09:20:49 <bartavelle> fail 09:21:11 <bartavelle> /amsg instead of /msg ... 09:22:17 <peter1138> so, can i remove Administrator from a running system without any adverse effects? 09:24:23 <Rubidium> just rename it to guest :) 09:24:32 <Rubidium> and remove the password! 09:25:01 <bartavelle> you can rename it but you should not remove it afaik 09:25:19 <bartavelle> however security advices from me should be taken with a grain of salt as i just demonstrated 09:32:59 <peter1138> er, yeah 09:33:52 <blathijs> I think renaming should be fine, since it has a well-known GUID 09:34:17 <peter1138> then i'll be asked what this other account is for 09:34:24 <blathijs> As for deleting, that probably breaks stuff. Why would you want to do that? 09:34:27 <peter1138> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/281140 :S 09:34:41 <blathijs> Wouldn't disabling be enough? 09:38:51 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm111.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:41:02 <peter1138> oh, that articles useless too, heh 09:46:07 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:49:27 <peter1138> hmm, seems 2003 lets you just disable it in user accounts 09:50:29 * peter1138 reboots his test machine and crosses fingers 09:53:44 <Diablo-D3> blereerg 09:53:48 * Diablo-D3 needs to quit playing 09:54:21 <planetmaker> then start programming. Just as addictive :-P 09:54:28 <Diablo-D3> Im not programming on openttd 09:54:33 * Diablo-D3 has seen the code 09:54:43 <planetmaker> that's why I have proposed to start in order to stop playing 09:54:56 <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: I code on many things 09:55:01 <Diablo-D3> openttd will never be one of them. 09:55:12 <planetmaker> aha 09:56:11 <Diablo-D3> also, lolAI 09:56:16 <Diablo-D3> one of the AIs is trying to do trams 09:56:18 <Diablo-D3> and fucking it all up 10:13:53 <roboboy> can I move the Tars Bananas downloads to another folder within my Data folder and have them still be opened and applyd? 10:39:04 *** roboboy [6e142ad7@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:43:46 <Diablo-D3> man 10:44:00 * Diablo-D3 got rid of almost all his road and tram vehicles 10:45:40 <Diablo-D3> vehicles are breaking down so much that everything just jams up badly 10:51:59 <SpComb^> remove your depots and watch the fun 10:56:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:56:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:48 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:12:32 *** roboboy [7248da14@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:16:51 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-229-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: I CAN HAS ORANGE!!1] 11:23:38 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 11:24:32 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DA81A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:44 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 11:35:19 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:37:51 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@130.106.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:43:52 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@40.149.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:48 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 11:51:10 *** mib_r5yoc3 [58934787@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:53:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a645.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.63.208] has joined #openttd 12:04:03 <Diablo-D3> man 12:07:18 <Diablo-D3> I dont care about AI difficulty 12:07:25 <Diablo-D3> all I want is an AI who doesnt fuck shit up 12:07:41 <Noldo> well code it then 12:07:41 <Diablo-D3> openttd isnt about how much cargo you push, or how many places you connect 12:07:46 <Diablo-D3> its how it looks when you're done 12:08:12 <Diablo-D3> Noldo: honestly, its easier to just kidnap mexican kids and make them play openttd on tiny little netbooks 12:08:33 <roboboy> are you using a version that has NoAI in it? 12:08:58 <Diablo-D3> roboboy: why would it matter? 12:09:34 <roboboy> because I would have thought the new AIs for NoAI would not destroy the landscape and such 12:09:44 <Diablo-D3> oh its not that 12:09:59 <Diablo-D3> admiralAI and pathzilla, for example, both _ruin_ cities 12:10:10 <Diablo-D3> they put fucking bus stops and tram stops everywhere 12:10:31 <planetmaker> whiner 12:10:49 <Yexo> Diablo-D3: you can configure AdmiralAI to not use busses at all 12:10:51 <roboboy> lol Plant Tycoon 12:11:15 <Diablo-D3> Yexo: Im thinking about turning off everything but trains and planes for AI. 12:11:39 <Diablo-D3> that, and turning off vehicle breakdown 12:12:09 <Diablo-D3> what screwed it up was the AI busses would all break down constantly 12:12:20 <Diablo-D3> so you'd have a line of like 50 vehicles of mine and the AI's 12:12:25 <Diablo-D3> all stuck in traffic 12:14:13 <Diablo-D3> whats currently the least ugly AI? 12:15:19 <Rubidium> DummyAI builds the fewest ugly stuff/vehicles 12:15:43 <roboboy> it depends on what you call ugly. You seem to have a different view on what ugly is to most people. 12:16:17 * roboboy wonders if DummyAI will ever be replace. He thinks most likely not 12:18:06 <Diablo-D3> roboboy: well, having 3258029582039548109482409 busses 12:18:08 <Diablo-D3> all stuck in traffic 12:18:13 <Diablo-D3> breaking down while sitting in traffic 12:18:26 <Diablo-D3> and otherwise being useless 12:18:27 <Diablo-D3> is ugly. 12:18:39 <Diablo-D3> why the hell are vehicles breaking down while sitting anyhow 12:19:00 <Rubidium> the engine overheats? 12:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is not that the AI build ugly stuff, but that openttd traffic management is not designed for such a vehicle load 12:21:21 <Eddi|zuHause> vehicles can't load balance for example, or use multi-lane roads 12:21:54 * roboboy cant remember if the annoying traffic jams can un-jam themselves manually 12:22:19 <roboboy> the ones where vehicles get stuck on top of each other at station entrances. 12:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: there's measures to resolve them. they pass through each other after a while 12:25:41 <roboboy> so the AI wont be screwed over totally if they occur 12:26:07 <roboboy> what exactly causes them out of interest. Ive never actually seen one form. 12:30:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r18979 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix: Typo in console save command output. 12:32:08 <roboboy> gnight soon 12:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> me neither 12:38:03 *** roboboy [7248da14@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:43:01 *** mib_r5yoc3 [58934787@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:43:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18980 /trunk/src/ (order_gui.cpp timetable_gui.cpp): -Codechange: preceeding -> preceding (spelling) 12:50:08 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: remember that scene in Star Trek IV (Voyage Home) with the whaling ship and its crew talking/yelling to each other? 12:50:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think they had subtitles, not sure 12:50:49 <Eddi|zuHause> let me search... 12:50:51 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:05 <TrueBrain> a Rubidium commit? That is a while ago :p 12:53:23 <__ln__> (Eddi seems to have all the movies from past 20 years available) 12:53:43 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:13 *** xi23_ [~xi@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> johannes@johannes-ii:/media/disk/filme> find -iname '*.avi' | wc -l 12:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> 386 12:54:55 <TrueBrain> avi :( 12:55:02 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:55:46 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 12:56:19 <Eddi|zuHause> plus the ones i have on DVD 12:56:37 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: btw, yes, I agree that ottd traffic management is nuts 12:56:48 <Diablo-D3> but vehicles really shouldnt break down all that often 12:57:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i always play without breakdowns 12:57:10 <Diablo-D3> Im seriously thinking about that 12:57:12 <Diablo-D3> but the problem is 12:57:27 <Diablo-D3> openttd simply isnt ready until ye average player doesnt have to fuck with advanced options. 12:57:35 <Diablo-D3> I remember saying this around the 0.5 days 12:57:38 <Diablo-D3> and, apparently, have been ignored 12:57:46 <SpComb^> breakdowns isn't in the advanced options, it's in the difficulty settings 12:57:49 *** xi23 [~xi@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 12:57:54 <Diablo-D3> SpComb^: it used to be. 12:57:59 <SpComb^> certainly not 12:58:04 <SpComb^> it was in the original TTD 12:58:05 <Eddi|zuHause> breakdowns always were difficulty 12:58:13 <TrueBrain> always and always and always 12:58:23 <Diablo-D3> either way, I shouldnt have to fuck with it 12:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and the advanced settings problem has been reduced since 0.5 ;) 12:58:37 <Diablo-D3> its not a bad "feature", its just woefully hyperactive. 12:58:42 <TrueBrain> is this Luukland with another name? :p 12:58:51 <Diablo-D3> TrueBrain: who? 12:58:57 * Diablo-D3 has missed out on all the trolls, btw 12:59:17 <Rubidium> the only breakdowns that weren't in the difficulty settings at any time are mental breakdowns of players (they've never been a setting anyhow) 12:59:25 <Diablo-D3> Rubidium: lawlz 12:59:33 <Diablo-D3> seriously though, openttd has really advanced 12:59:52 <Diablo-D3> but its not "done" until some of the really retarded stuff goes away 13:00:45 <Diablo-D3> the lack of real road management as Eddi|zuHause mentioned is a severe problem 13:01:48 <Diablo-D3> and stuff like egrvts and industrial stations renewal shouldn't be newgrf packs 13:01:49 <TrueBrain> it is never "done" btw 13:01:54 <Diablo-D3> TrueBrain: thus the quotes. 13:01:59 <TrueBrain> even with the quotes 13:02:07 <TrueBrain> there will always be someone who says it is not "done" 13:02:07 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:25 <Diablo-D3> "done" == I dont have to hand new players a list of settings to set and shit to download before they can play it 13:02:41 <Rubidium> well, arguably all NewGRFs Diablo-D3 likes to use should be in standard OpenTTD because only then it can ever be marked "done" 13:02:52 <TrueBrain> but ... who says you should download egrvts? And not something else? 13:02:55 <Diablo-D3> Rubidium: no, thats not what Im arguing 13:03:13 <Diablo-D3> Im saying newgfxs shouldnt be fixing serious deficiencies in gameplay 13:03:16 <Rubidium> anyhow, with that respect... without OpenTTD being added to *DEFAULT* installations... OpenTTD will never be done 13:03:41 <TrueBrain> I like the default settings btw, in Easy difficulty :) The only one I switch is allowing to build road-stops on town-road 13:03:48 <Rubidium> how are extra graphics for stations a deficiency? 13:03:58 <Diablo-D3> egrvts adds more vehicles 13:04:02 <Diablo-D3> its not about graphics 13:04:06 <SpComb^> Diablo-D3: you can hand then the binary and tell them to join a server, which has the right settings 13:04:26 <Diablo-D3> SpComb^: thats if they want to play multiplayer 13:04:32 <TrueBrain> I do agree that the BaNaNaS could use a rating star system :) 13:04:41 <Diablo-D3> yeah, banans should have that 13:04:48 <Diablo-D3> I know it tracks downloads, thats almost just as good 13:05:20 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:05:34 <Diablo-D3> road vehicles, btw, almost seem like an afterthought in the original TT design 13:05:48 <SpComb^> traaains 13:05:56 <Diablo-D3> theres very few vehicles and they don't really work very well 13:05:57 * Rubidium wonders the value of rating stuff; it doesn't tell shit about the quality, just about how bad people like *something* in it 13:05:59 <Ammler> [14:04] <Diablo-D3> I know it tracks downloads, thats almost just as good <-- not really, it penalties grfs, which do update from time to time. 13:06:12 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: exactly :) 13:06:13 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: anyway, about that scene, the language the whale hunters speak is the interesting part. 13:06:17 <Diablo-D3> Ammler: that just sounds like a bug that should be fixed 13:06:30 <Diablo-D3> __ln__: what language? russian? 13:06:35 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: apparently they speak foreign-ish, but without subtitles 13:06:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a645.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 13:06:49 <Diablo-D3> french? 13:06:54 <Ammler> that, I didn't say, it should just not be used as rating system :-) 13:06:57 <Rubidium> pig latin! 13:07:03 <Diablo-D3> klingon? 13:07:06 <Diablo-D3> (wouldnt that be hilarious) 13:07:26 <Diablo-D3> klingon spoken without the IM ANGRY AND HAVE A RIDGE IN MY FOREHEAD thing 13:07:47 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: they speak finnish. 13:08:05 <Diablo-D3> hmm. 13:08:11 <Diablo-D3> __ln__: that doesnt seem right for some reason 13:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: but how do finnish whale hunters get into bering strait? 13:08:56 <ctibor> on a boat? :-) 13:09:05 <Diablo-D3> a motherfucking boat? 13:09:09 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: that's a good question, besides the fact i've never heard of finnish whale hunters. 13:09:32 <Diablo-D3> crap, now I'm envisioning kirk and spock and bones in "I'm on a boat" 13:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that's half of the question ;) 13:10:14 * Diablo-D3 bangs head on desk until it goes away 13:10:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: what exactly is that? 13:10:37 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: you've never seen it!? 13:11:40 <Diablo-D3> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNU 13:12:32 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c371.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:04 <Eddi|zuHause> nope, i don't seem to know that... 13:14:17 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: you're the last person on the internet to have not seen it 13:14:31 <Eddi|zuHause> forgive me. i'm german... 13:15:41 <Diablo-D3> Thats no excuse. 13:16:27 <Diablo-D3> you know what would be interesting in openttd, btw? 13:16:30 <Diablo-D3> real sized ships. 13:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently my internet doesn't want me to see it either... 13:16:48 <Eddi|zuHause> download stops after 500kb 13:17:01 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: hrm weird 13:18:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a9bc:eab0:eb5f:b549] has joined #openttd 13:18:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:21:10 <__ln__> Diablo-D3: how big is real size? 13:21:18 <Diablo-D3> thats a good question 13:21:36 <ctibor> Diablo-D3: I assume that planes are small too then :-) 13:21:42 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: almost 13:21:45 <Diablo-D3> they're too slow. 13:21:56 <__ln__> I once suggested ships that could carry trucks and trains. 13:22:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: there's a setting for that ;) 13:22:04 <ctibor> you can make them faster 13:22:07 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, and its nuts 13:22:07 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:22:11 <Diablo-D3> ZOOOOOOOMJ 13:22:28 <Diablo-D3> but it doesnt scale cost well enough 13:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: you are one of those guys who can never have it right... 13:22:46 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: ottd is a complex game 13:22:48 <Diablo-D3> its hard to balance it. 13:22:49 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:17 <Diablo-D3> but ships are too small in respect for the weird scaling openttd has 13:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: ships have enough problems with their oversized-ness as it is 13:24:15 <ctibor> I think it's good for the gameplay to be alright 13:24:19 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:23 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: I agre 13:24:31 <Diablo-D3> thats a more important goal 13:24:37 <Diablo-D3> but for what ships hold, they seem too small 13:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: on the contrary, people claim that ships do not hold enough 13:26:22 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: this may also be true 13:26:53 <ctibor> Yes their capcity is maybe small... 13:27:08 <Diablo-D3> do things in ttd have correct speeds? 13:27:14 <ctibor> but on a typical industry, it will have to wait for ages to fully load 13:27:17 <Diablo-D3> besides airplanes I mean 13:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i think speeds are of the same scale 13:27:56 <Diablo-D3> hmm. 13:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but the internal representation is different, i believe 13:28:04 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: thats not a big issue. 13:28:36 <Diablo-D3> but industries should have larger dynamic in their production output 13:28:57 <ctibor> Well I consider initial productions of the industries way too small. I want to build big traaaaiinss :-) 13:29:05 <Diablo-D3> yeah 13:29:07 <Diablo-D3> I agree 13:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: try an industry newgrf 13:29:20 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: we're talking basic openttd here 13:29:30 <Eddi|zuHause> zombie-ottd... "traaaaaaaaaaiiinnnnssss" 13:29:40 <ctibor> lol 13:29:45 <Diablo-D3> the point of openttd gameplay is to setup all these networks for fun 13:29:51 <Diablo-D3> and I stress the fun part 13:30:08 <ctibor> i cheat and modify industry production 13:30:13 <Diablo-D3> why have boats at all if they're somewhat useless 13:30:15 <Diablo-D3> or cars 13:30:18 <Diablo-D3> or planes 13:30:21 <ctibor> also pikkabird's industries are quite good :-) 13:30:35 <ctibor> I use boats 13:30:54 <Diablo-D3> I don't use boats all that often 13:31:04 <Diablo-D3> they just dont feel right 13:31:12 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:31:17 <Diablo-D3> I almost wanna say the maps are too small. 13:31:51 <Diablo-D3> the maps are the right size for trains 13:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with boats is that the delivery prices are too dependent on speed, and do not care about terrain difficulties (like islands) 13:32:00 <Diablo-D3> but the wrong size for airplanes and boats. 13:32:03 <ctibor> recently i started to like 1024 square with few cities on it (like 25). 13:32:35 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: I agree 13:32:47 <Diablo-D3> boats should obviously have a modifier for this. 13:32:59 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the game doesn't start in early 19th century, where boats were much more dominant for transporting large amounts of cargo 13:33:00 <Diablo-D3> and some things should not be speed dependent 13:33:11 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: boats are still largely important 13:33:29 <ctibor> boats are cheap in real life.. 13:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but they lost a significant share to railway 13:33:40 <Diablo-D3> almost all crude oil in the world is being moved by boat 13:33:57 <Diablo-D3> and large cargo is also being shipped by boat. 13:34:10 <Diablo-D3> openttd doesnt have a large cargo classification though 13:34:25 <Ammler> Diablo-D3: there is larger ships mod available as grf 13:34:30 *** mib_2q3jo8 [58934787@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:34:35 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: yes and no 13:34:49 <Diablo-D3> theres two or three really large cargo boat companies 13:34:50 <Ammler> oh, you don't want to use newgrfs, you wanna have everyhing in default openttd :-) 13:34:52 <ctibor> magine factory that would produce large cargo... special carriages needed, slow speed :-) 13:35:19 <Diablo-D3> almost all other boats are privately owned 13:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> "Castor Transport" :) 13:35:27 <Diablo-D3> such as the vast oil fleets 13:35:37 <Eddi|zuHause> "has to stop every 2 tiles due to protesters" :p 13:35:43 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: hahahaha 13:35:52 <Diablo-D3> also, is there a mod for fishing? 13:36:03 <ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: that would be toxic or nuclear waste 13:36:22 <__ln__> yeah, nucular waste would be a great new cargo type 13:36:26 <ctibor> uranium mine -> nuclear plant -> nuclear waste ftw! 13:36:35 <Diablo-D3> that seems rather redundant actually 13:36:41 <Diablo-D3> we already have coal and copper 13:36:46 <Diablo-D3> do we really need yet another mining type? 13:36:48 <ctibor> dump it to the sea ;-) 13:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: yes and no, the first "newindustries" grf has a fishing ground, but openttd lacks the feature to use buoys as loading stations 13:37:09 <Diablo-D3> copper is a standin for all production use metals 13:37:15 <Diablo-D3> and coal is a standin for all energy use shit 13:37:33 <Diablo-D3> I dont think openttd would gain if people started adding even more 13:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: seriously, have you tried ANY grfs at all? 13:37:54 <Diablo-D3> I mean, you'd need to deliver coal to steel plants 13:37:58 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: some 13:37:59 <ctibor> Well it is probably true that the waste from normal coal power plant is toxic too 13:38:20 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: well, if you start doing that, then openttd needs other company aspects 13:38:33 <Diablo-D3> such as letting people be energy companies instead of transport companies 13:38:54 <ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, then firing up coal in power plant doesn't seem right when there is limited amount of it in the mine :-) 13:38:54 <Diablo-D3> and Im not sure openttd needs that. 13:39:13 <Diablo-D3> btw, anyone try heqs? 13:39:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i did, but not much... 13:39:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm too much into trains 13:39:56 <Diablo-D3> I dont get the point if it doesnt replace the traditional types 13:40:02 <Diablo-D3> thats another thing I dont like about openttd 13:40:12 <Diablo-D3> theres too many normal trucks doing big truck tasks 13:40:13 <ctibor> Diablo-D3: I don't see any change in the game, where power plant would produce new cargo type such as toxic waste, it won't be any different from factory or rafinery 13:40:42 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: yeah, but it focuses on an aspec that doesnt belong in ottd 13:40:59 <Diablo-D3> same reason ottd doesnt have wars. 13:41:05 <ctibor> orly? 13:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> different reason 13:41:48 <Diablo-D3> imagine terrorists hijacking one of your planes and flying it into a city 13:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't stop things like town growth etc. when waste is not transported 13:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> so introducing waste is useless 13:42:24 <Diablo-D3> its just ugly aspects of industrialization that doesnt really belong in ottd 13:42:35 <ctibor> well the power plant would refuse new coal, but that is beyond original concept 13:42:54 <Diablo-D3> I dont like the fact trains and crash into cars either 13:42:56 <ctibor> but for some newgrf it would be nice idea IMO 13:43:03 <Diablo-D3> or ufos 13:43:38 <ctibor> I turn UFOs off... 13:44:02 <Diablo-D3> Im just saying, those shouldnt exist at all 13:44:08 <Diablo-D3> death shouldnt happen in openttd 13:44:17 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-79-220.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:44 <TinoDidriksen> So, disable it from options? 13:45:00 <Diablo-D3> TinoDidriksen: it shouldnt be an option. 13:45:26 <Diablo-D3> "realism" would make a great newgrf. 13:45:36 <Diablo-D3> but it doesnt seem like something the core game should handle. 13:46:01 <TinoDidriksen> Then it wouldn't be TTD any longer...planes crash, trains crash, etc, if you don't maintain the network. 13:46:09 <ctibor> Diablo-D3: I like more when the game has lots of features to set up .-) 13:46:40 <Diablo-D3> what newgrfs should I add, anyhow? 13:46:40 <ctibor> iirc in simutrans the trains can go into another. But I played it very long ago... 13:47:12 <Diablo-D3> Ive added metro track set, egrvts, bigger depots, av8, and industrial stations renewal 13:47:26 <ctibor> Diablo-D3: try pikkindw.grf, Pikkabirds base industries, they are really worth to try 13:47:57 <Diablo-D3> btw, did the bug that limited the number of things get fixed? 13:48:36 <ctibor> Because secondary industries are built near the cities, it allows to build nice networks. Or rather the networks I like :-) 13:49:18 <Diablo-D3> I remember a bug in early openttd that there could only be so many kinds of trains or cars or whatever because the internal id setup was retarded 13:49:31 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@86.159.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:40 <SpComb^> not retarded 13:49:52 <ctibor> Diablo-D3: never had problem with that... 13:53:23 <ctibor> The feature that wuld be really killer for me is that realistic bi-directional tracks that were proposed some long time ago but are apparently too difficult to implement. 13:54:08 <ctibor> When I am retired in some 40-50 years, I would learn to code and make it happen ;-) 13:54:32 <SpComb^> in 40-50 years, OpenTTD... 13:56:07 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@130.106.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:17 <Eddi|zuHause> ctibor: problem is reservation management 13:57:39 <ctibor> Eddi|zuHause: I know... I discussed it earlier and read all the posts about it... 13:58:39 <ctibor> Diablo-D3: As to the speeds see http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Vehicle_speeds 13:59:24 <Diablo-D3> ctibor: I dont see pikkabird's stuff in the content downloader 14:00:05 <ctibor> you must download it manually i think 14:00:07 <Ammler> search for pikka 14:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause> if in doubt, use grfcrawler 14:02:22 * ctibor is back to learnin the stuff for exam 14:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a headache... 14:03:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm getting ill... didn't sleep well either 14:06:33 <Diablo-D3> btw 14:06:36 <Diablo-D3> the ECS stuff looks nuts 14:07:56 <SpComb^> I felt pretty horrible for a while yesterday after drinking some coffe with a bunch of coffe grounds in it 14:13:08 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@51.102.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:09 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@86.159.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:39 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has joined #openttd 14:33:04 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has quit [] 14:33:12 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has joined #openttd 14:39:29 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:40:37 <Beklugas> helo 14:41:15 <Sacro> 501 HELO requires domain address 14:42:01 <Rubidium> ehlo sacro.pedantic.uk 14:42:58 <Ammler> klug? 14:43:08 *** Oddstr13_ [oddstr13@c1F8D5AC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:10 <murr4y> RCPT TO murray@hell 14:45:15 *** Oddstr13 [oddstr13@c1F8D5AC1.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 14:46:51 <TrueBrain> 550 RELAY DENIED - NO ROUTE 14:47:11 <SirSquidness> You broke it, TrueBrain 14:47:22 <TrueBrain> I always do 14:47:25 <TrueBrain> it is my job! 14:47:35 <SirSquidness> I hope you don't have commit privs on the SVN :P 14:47:41 <TrueBrain> guess again 14:47:48 <SirSquidness> ohcrap 14:48:18 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:503e:1:87f:67d6:c21d:868b] has joined #openttd 14:49:11 <TrueBrain> in your pants 14:51:05 <TrueBrain> welcome Zahl 14:51:26 <Zahl> goodday everyone 14:51:29 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-108.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:25 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@79.88.152.58] has joined #openttd 14:54:30 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 14:58:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@51.102.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:05 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 15:03:17 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:43 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 15:05:56 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:41 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 15:06:43 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 15:06:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 15:08:36 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 15:10:23 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:21 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@191.141.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:23 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@79.88.152.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:54 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 15:17:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:21:40 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has joined #openttd 15:22:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:37 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ???????????? 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Else I would request a revert of your commit. ;-) 16:36:27 <TrueBrain> enable it manually 16:36:31 <TrueBrain> if you fancy it so much 16:36:34 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 16:36:37 <TrueBrain> useless to compile something that should never be used :) 16:36:45 <Ammler> yes, we already do 16:37:15 <Ammler> Well, it is kinda neat to make screens on the server :-) 16:37:45 <TrueBrain> neat: yes; requirement for a dedicated: no 16:38:43 <Ammler> yeah, if it hurts, it is better, nvm. We just try to use as few patches as possible... 16:39:45 *** mib_2q3jo8 [58934787@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:40:14 <TrueBrain> the only 'sane' thing I can see, is that you can do: --with-blitters 16:40:15 <TrueBrain> or what ever 16:40:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff9f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:24 <TrueBrain> but it should never be something that is on by default for a dedicated, that is just silly 16:41:24 <Ammler> never say never :-P 16:42:07 <peter1138> it makes the build smaller 16:42:20 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:42:32 <peter1138> you can request reverts as much as you like. i won't revert it. 16:42:58 <Ammler> oh well, that was the question, all fine :-) 16:43:39 <TrueBrain> Ammler: well, you can request what I suggest ;) 16:43:50 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 16:44:02 *** Yexo is now known as Guest332 16:44:02 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 16:48:11 <Ammler> It is already very cool to be able to make screen on dedicated. Thanks anyway. 16:49:01 <TrueBrain> btw: never 16:49:02 <TrueBrain> never 16:49:04 <TrueBrain> never 16:49:05 <TrueBrain> :p :p :p 16:49:14 <TrueBrain> (I am such a child) 16:49:34 <Ammler> oh well, I hope so... 16:50:20 <TrueBrain> :'( 16:50:31 <Ammler> :-) 16:50:33 <TrueBrain> I can blow at all 5 candles on my birthday cake! 16:50:59 <Ammler> How many go off? 16:51:03 *** Guest332 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:27 <Eddi|zuHause> they're trick candles, they burn more when you blow at them :p 16:51:39 <TrueBrain> NO THEY ARE NOT 16:51:49 <Rubidium> they asplode 16:55:51 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has quit [Quit: Penda] 16:57:50 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:06:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@136.74.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:29 *** Fugas [~admin@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has quit [Quit: Bye folks!] 17:12:37 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@128.97.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:27 *** alos [~alos@189.228.116.106] has joined #openttd 17:21:59 <alos> hello =) 17:22:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:22:36 <TrueBrain> hello alos 17:22:48 <alos> I was just seeing the lack of developers for the Mac OS port 17:22:58 <alos> has this been fixed? 17:23:28 <TrueBrain> I guess the lack of Mac OSX nightlies and the fact the topic is still open says it all :) But no, that is not 'fixed' 17:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause> a bunch of people have said they'd try something, but i haven't seen anything real come out of that 17:24:03 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-108.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:10 <alos> I'm not an expert in Objective-C/Cocoa 17:24:17 <alos> but if no one else is willing to help 17:24:21 <alos> I can try 17:24:22 <alos> ^^ 17:24:32 <TrueBrain> so get to work, I suggest ;) Hehe :) 17:25:29 <alos> So, yeah, I was wondering if there is a document or something explaining the Mac OS code or the procedure or something 17:25:57 *** Penda [~Penda@host-83-166-20-174.hernonet.se] has joined #openttd 17:25:58 <TrueBrain> src/os/macosx has all files/documentation/information/code/... 17:26:12 <TrueBrain> http://bugs.openttd.org/ has all the bugs/problems/issues/outstanding-fixes 17:28:40 <TrueBrain> and now I am going to enjoy my dinner ... hamhamhamham 17:28:47 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> "Guten Hunger" 17:30:17 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has joined #openttd 17:31:13 <alos> ok, I'm downloading the source code 17:32:24 <alos> I think I've found what I needed here: http://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Mac 17:33:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that probably needs updating as well 17:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> people have been reporting trouble getting liblzo2 17:34:42 <planetmaker> <Eddi|zuHause> a bunch of people have said they'd try something, but i haven't seen anything real come out of that <-- that's IMO the most prominant outcome and most concise summary possible :-) 17:35:19 <planetmaker> he, yeah. 17:35:27 <planetmaker> That lib sucks hell. 17:35:28 <alos> am a newb developer in Mac OS 17:35:38 <alos> but I can try 17:35:44 <planetmaker> I tend to ignore that lib meanwhile ;-) 17:36:06 <alos> I mostly code in Java 17:36:12 <planetmaker> even though I *could* move it to the place where config finds it. 17:36:34 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 17:36:38 <planetmaker> But... having to do that seems bad to me. As macports should be considered a default location. 17:36:53 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: or you could update configure to look at the place where it installs? 17:37:11 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes. But that's where I'm notoriously bad at. 17:37:28 <planetmaker> But that's the solution which I'd consider proper 17:37:32 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has joined #openttd 17:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: isn't that a matter of adding a directory to the library/include paths? 17:38:18 <planetmaker> I guess so. 17:38:45 <planetmaker> But I always get that wrong somehow. But yes, the /opt/... dirs are in my common search path 17:42:40 <SpComb> feature request: empty out the initial group name in the text dialogue when creating a new vehicle group 17:43:23 <planetmaker> hu? 17:47:26 <SmatZ> SpComb: no renaming works this way 17:47:37 <SmatZ> it could be done though 17:47:43 <SpComb> creating a new group... 17:47:51 <SmatZ> yeah 17:47:52 <SmatZ> I mean 17:48:00 <SmatZ> it has always the "automatic" name filled in 17:48:07 <SmatZ> like, when renaming a vehicle 17:48:09 <SmatZ> town 17:48:11 <SmatZ> company 17:48:13 <SmatZ> manager 17:48:21 <SpComb> well, there's a "Create new group" button which pops up the edit box right away 17:48:37 <SmatZ> I know 17:48:48 <SmatZ> the idea is reasonable :) 17:48:49 <SpComb> which is different from, say, vehicles 17:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> +++ 17:49:27 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:16 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:51:36 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* don't drop the keyboard 17:54:53 <SmatZ> SpComb: http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/emptygroupname.diff like this? 17:55:18 <SpComb> perhaps, perhaps 17:55:52 <SmatZ> it will show empty query even when renaming group with default name 17:56:03 <SmatZ> I am not sure if that's the right thing to do 18:00:37 *** Westie [~westie@193.238.85.98] has joined #openttd 18:00:37 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.220.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:09 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 18:06:22 *** Tennel [~Tennel@pf0hl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:13 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 18:15:08 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 18:21:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:33 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:25:33 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:36 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 18:27:42 *** alos [~alos@189.228.116.106] has quit [Quit: bytes!] 18:31:04 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:06 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 18:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> and clicking "OK" with empty name will apply the default name? 18:35:57 <SmatZ> yes 18:39:47 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:40:35 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 18:42:26 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:23 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 18981 18:45:23 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by smatz :: r18981 trunk/src/group_gui.cpp (2010-02-01 18:38:28 UTC) 18:45:24 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Change: show empty query after creating new group (instead of 'Group nnn') 18:45:27 <SmatZ> SpComb: ^^^ 18:45:40 <SpComb> cool 18:54:24 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:58:12 *** khh [~khh_1990@m062j.studby.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 19:02:50 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:05:48 * glx kicks CIA-1 19:05:49 <CIA-1> ow 19:06:08 * TrueBrain kick CIA-1 harder 19:06:11 <TrueBrain> just because he can :) 19:10:29 *** Sevalecan [Sevalecan@64.119.61.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:45 <Osai> hey TB 19:10:48 <frosch123> well, it's no rover 19:10:57 <Osai> why did you leave the dune channel? 19:11:09 <TrueBrain> I am in #opendune :) 19:11:23 <Rubidium> no, this is #openttd 19:11:27 <TrueBrain> really? 19:11:29 <TrueBrain> wrong turn 19:11:32 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has left #openttd [sorry about that] 19:11:39 <Osai> lol :D 19:12:28 <planetmaker> hm... I wonder... I guess I could now make a track set and not worry about different undergrounds anymore, is that right? 19:13:07 <planetmaker> re-using the existing ground tile and drawing a semi-transparent ground tile with only the track or road over it. 19:13:36 <frosch123> that part is not trunkified afaik 19:13:58 <planetmaker> that's what I'm asking :-) 19:14:23 <planetmaker> I could define a track. So I can also define new graphics for that track I guess, or? 19:15:02 <frosch123> you can do that with the hg repo 19:15:25 <planetmaker> hu? 19:15:39 <SmatZ> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/peter1138/railtypes.hg 19:15:47 <planetmaker> oh, that :-) 19:16:31 <planetmaker> hm... 19:16:59 *** Sevalecan [Sevalecan@64.119.61.194] has joined #openttd 19:17:27 <planetmaker> I thought I could already combine r18969 and r18959 19:17:52 <planetmaker> hm... ah. It says houses, stations and industries... 19:18:00 <planetmaker> missed that :-) 19:28:02 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-108.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:29:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r18981 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Change: show empty query after creating new group (instead of 'Group nnn') 19:29:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r18982 /trunk/svnup.sh: -Remove: svnup.sh - no active dev uses it, modifying it causes breakage when it's used to update 19:29:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r18983 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 19:29:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:29:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 11 changes by josesun 19:29:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 3 changes by habell 19:29:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 9 changes by fumantsu 19:29:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 4 changes by BlinK_ 19:29:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 2 changes by CyberKenny 19:30:28 <db48x> SmatZ: what I'd like to see is a button in the route window that lets me name the group containing all vehicles on that route 19:34:48 <SmatZ> db48x: you can create new group, move one vehicle there and the use "Move vehicles with shared orders to this group" function 19:35:10 <db48x> that's more steps 19:35:32 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm111.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:27 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-108.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:44 *** khh [~khh_1990@m062j.studby.ntnu.no] has left #openttd [] 19:41:19 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:45:59 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 19:49:27 *** PeterT [4c13d264@widget.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:37 *** PeterT [4c13d264@widget.mibbit.com] has quit [] 19:52:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:58 <Belugas> i want a button "play for me" 19:56:25 * planetmaker wants rather the button "write thesis" 19:56:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-0-49.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:15 <Muxy> What about a "Eat For Me" one ? 19:57:31 <planetmaker> good one. Though I currently enjoy quite eating for myself. 19:58:04 <Belugas> which is less ambiguous than "eating myself" 19:58:20 <Muxy> Next one will be "Sleep for me" while im doing somehting else 19:58:29 * Belugas votes for "write thesis" or "finish work for me" 19:58:29 <planetmaker> hm... both is currently true ;-) 19:58:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-47-217.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:58:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:58:45 <planetmaker> Muxy, that'd be good, too, indeed. 19:59:20 <Muxy> and the disabled one : "Watch movie for me" 19:59:31 <frosch123> actually i am happy noone drinks the coffee for me 20:01:16 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 20:05:02 <Terkhen> I'd vote for a "study for me" button, but I doubt it would help me 20:06:17 <Belugas> not in my case, at least... 20:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody have an "enlist for exam" button for me? 20:11:40 <Belugas> ho... wish list! i want a "Obtain a salary raise" 20:12:19 <frosch123> paid in coffee? 20:12:23 <Belugas> i was about to write a pay raise, but my wife has indeed a tendancy to raise the number of times she pays for stuff... 20:12:27 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:12:38 <Belugas> frosch123, coffee is free here ;) 20:12:58 <frosch123> hehe, most important :p 20:18:55 <Belugas> quite :D 20:19:00 <db48x> would anyone be interested in commiting my patch from flyspray bug 2719? 20:19:12 <db48x> it makes the teraform tools more helpful to the user 20:19:12 <frosch123> we don't commit bugs 20:19:13 <Belugas> otherwise, if we had to pay than we'd be so poor... 20:19:46 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090520, built on: 2009/06/08 19:18:46 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:20:02 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 20:21:08 <frosch123> but you already have a point as you seem to know the difference between tab and space :) 20:21:10 <Belugas> mmh... ive' checked that patch a while ago 20:21:22 <frosch123> it could make use of some SmallVector 20:21:33 <frosch123> instead of adding the stuff manually to a static array 20:22:07 <Belugas> [TERRAFORMER_TILE_TABLE_SIZE+1] -> [TERRAFORMER_TILE_TABLE_SIZE + 1] 20:23:59 <Rubidium> I'm not so sure whether this is really useful, especially because it adds a O(n) function to tile drawing 20:24:50 <frosch123> yeah, that is a drawback 20:25:18 <db48x> true, for an n that is usually 0 20:26:45 <db48x> I could make it a hash instead, but that would have a constant cost even if n is zero 20:27:09 <frosch123> better add some bounding box for a negative check 20:27:38 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs2719.png <- sorry, but something is *very* broken 20:28:24 <Rubidium> there's not even a tunnel on the map 20:28:53 <db48x> nice 20:29:08 *** Sacro [~Sacro@83.100.249.116] has joined #openttd 20:29:19 <db48x> the string names changed sometime since I last updated the patch, perhaps I messed them up 20:30:31 <Rubidium> sorry, but as you can see in the image there is nothing that would hold back lowering that tile there 20:30:35 <Rubidium> 1) there's no tunnels 20:30:40 <Rubidium> 2) it's not the lowest tile 20:30:48 <Rubidium> 3) there's nothing on the top of the hills 20:31:03 <db48x> yes, I must have broken it 20:31:58 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@181.108.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:58 <Rubidium> and if I get it on the first terraform I try, I must be extremely lucky or the patch isn't tested that well 20:32:25 <planetmaker> :-D 20:32:39 <Rubidium> note: my logs show that last time I looked at the patch something similar must've occured 20:33:26 <planetmaker> how do you log all your tests you surely must do, Rubidium ? 20:33:41 <Rubidium> irc logs 20:33:46 <planetmaker> aye :-) 20:34:14 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 20:37:32 <TrueBrain> logging IRC conversations is very powerful :) 20:37:46 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 20:37:56 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@136.74.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you left? :) 20:38:41 <TrueBrain> hmm 20:38:46 <TrueBrain> you like me gone, don't you? :( 20:38:47 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:57 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i missed you the instant you left :( 20:39:25 <TrueBrain> that is much better :) 20:39:31 <TrueBrain> fake, but better 20:39:41 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:52 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i totally mean that :p 20:40:13 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 20:40:35 <Belugas> i want to commit this patch, i want to commit this patch, i want to commit this patch!!! 20:40:53 <TrueBrain> Belugas: let me revoke your SSH access, that should solve that urge 20:44:24 <Rubidium> removal from the vcs group would help too 20:44:38 <TrueBrain> yup 20:44:45 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:46 <TrueBrain> remove him from the Developers group too 20:44:48 <TrueBrain> from PAM-Web too 20:44:51 <TrueBrain> ban his IP too 20:44:55 <TrueBrain> owh, I can think up so many ways 20:45:00 <TrueBrain> but that is kind of besides the point here :) 20:49:40 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:02 <Belugas> :) 20:50:16 * Belugas was talking about a patch at work... 20:50:20 <Belugas> of course of course... 20:50:28 <TrueBrain> you make patches for work?! 20:50:35 <TrueBrain> :) :) 20:50:36 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 20:50:38 * TrueBrain hugs Rubidium 20:51:57 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.85.129.207] has joined #openttd 20:52:03 <_Ben_> hi 20:52:06 <Rubidium> I even make patches for Debian and Ubuntu, though Ubuntu doesn't want my patches for some reason 20:52:13 <TrueBrain> hello _Ben_ :) 20:52:15 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:52:19 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: why not? 20:52:20 <Rubidium> and I once made a patch for the Linux kernel :) 20:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> how'd that go? :p 20:52:51 <Rubidium> it got included :) 20:53:02 <_Ben_> question: does anyone know the railway set which all I can really remember about it is that it's generally a light grey colour, and part of an eastern european set? I can't find the name of it anywhere. 20:53:13 <Rubidium> although it was so extremely trivial somewhere along the way the 'credits' if you may call it that were lost 20:53:29 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openttd/+bug/503725 <- I don't know why they don't like it. But if they don't care, I don't care 20:54:20 <frosch123> _Ben_: CSRails or so 20:54:30 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 20:54:42 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:54:43 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you were too fast! 20:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> _Ben_: probably to be found at tycoonez.com 20:57:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D138.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:19 <Rubidium> anyhow the kernel patch was just adding a PCI ID to some table 20:57:23 <_Ben_> frosch123/Eddi|zullause: Yeah thats the one! thanks a lot 20:57:54 <_Ben_> TrueBrain: Hi, havn't spoken to you in quite a while! 20:58:03 <_Ben_> anyway, I must head straight off, chears for that guys 20:58:25 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.85.129.207] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:42 <TrueBrain> not meant bad, but have I ever spoken with him in the first place? 20:58:46 <TrueBrain> poor memory for names 20:59:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ben is 32bpp artist 20:59:05 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-76-19-210-100.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:59:05 <TrueBrain> ah! Tnx :) 20:59:11 <TrueBrain> hmmm ... I now have a file with the name ??^T^H^P^[^E 20:59:14 <TrueBrain> how am I going to remove that? 20:59:39 <Prof_Frink> dolphin/nautilus? 21:00:04 <frosch123> rm -i * 21:00:20 <Eddi|zuHause> ls --show-control-chars | grep -v <anything intelligible> | xargs rm 21:00:39 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, used that approach, worked :) 21:02:00 <PeterT> nooo SmatZ 21:02:05 <PeterT> you removed svnup.sh! 21:02:51 <TrueBrain> guys, I think OpenTTD needs a new approach: STOP TOUCHING ANYTHING ... 3rd person in 2 days complaining about things removed ... (nothing against you PeterT, you are just the 3rd person about something) 21:03:07 <PeterT> Sorry, but I actually used it 21:03:23 <PeterT> who were the first two people, and what did they complain about? 21:03:23 <TrueBrain> so make a local copy :) 21:03:33 <TrueBrain> read back the logs if you care (enough) 21:03:42 <PeterT> that's not a solution, that's just an excuse 21:03:52 <PeterT> it's not like svnup.sh was causing size problems 21:03:53 <TrueBrain> no, it is a solution 21:04:21 <TrueBrain> an excuse sounds like: well, it had to be removed, because ... 21:04:48 <TrueBrain> you can dislike the solution, that is an option :) The other 2 also disliked the solution given :p 21:05:43 <db48x> Rubidium: fixed it. now I'll look into SmallVector 21:05:58 <PeterT> what was the nick of the people that were complaing, TrueBrain? 21:06:01 <PeterT> So I can search 21:06:12 <TrueBrain> forgot, and don't care (enough) 21:10:42 <Belugas> TrueBrain, not exactly :) we do commit our work in VCS 21:10:57 <TrueBrain> wauw ... progressing company you work for :) 21:11:09 <Yexo> PeterT: the first was luukland 21:11:16 <Rubidium> Belugas: VCS or CVS? 21:11:17 <planetmaker> who else? ;-) 21:11:33 <Belugas> hem... VSS 21:11:41 * PeterT giggles 21:11:42 <PeterT> »» 07:58:37 < Diablo-D3> its not a bad "feature", its just woefully hyperactive. 21:11:42 <Belugas> Visual Source Safe 21:11:42 <PeterT> »» 07:58:42 < TrueBrain> is this Luukland with another name? :p 21:12:00 <Rubidium> ah... Visual Source Scrammbler :) 21:12:37 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:21 *** mib_4b5n0d [5d2dc7eb@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:14:41 *** mib_4b5n0d [5d2dc7eb@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 21:15:31 <PeterT> aww, the logs about luukland are just beyond the 1000 line limit 21:16:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.203.220] has joined #openttd 21:17:05 <frosch123> too bad, you cannot enter any number 21:17:37 *** sparrL [kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:51 <sparrL> someone told me the number of named bus stations in a town affects its growth rate 21:18:58 <sparrL> would that be a server modification or is that normal? 21:20:53 <Rubidium> named as in "independent"? 21:21:26 <Rubidium> then yes, up to a given amount 21:21:55 <frosch123> remove "bus" and add "serviced" instead 21:21:59 <Yexo> see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43225 21:22:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.189.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:58 <sparrL> so five stations at all? 21:24:06 <sparrL> doesn't matter what they carry, so long as they are visited? 21:24:15 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 21:25:59 <Eddi|zuHause> oh great, the reflex for applied data destruction struck again 21:26:00 <PeterT> SmtZ: Can you please send me the magic-bulldozer patch they use on the #openttdcoop servers? 21:26:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:29:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff9f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:38:34 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:38 <Zuu> Is there a character that is taller than the pipe ( | ) in the normal OpenGFX font? 21:43:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:44:17 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:45:46 *** mib_l0ivet [58934836@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:46:07 <Belugas> yeah, VSS is something not entirely trustworthy 21:46:35 <Belugas> but it keeps on working nicely, so far. just that you need some backuos, in the safe side 21:47:17 <Belugas> besides, OpenTTD had a crash once, using CVS, so nothing is perfect ;) 21:48:59 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:49:17 <sparrL> so, in addition to 5 stations, do pax/goods delivery matter? 21:49:42 <TrueBrain> Belugas: using SVN, but yes :p 21:49:49 <TrueBrain> and that 'crash' was due to hardware failure 21:50:04 <TrueBrain> and a randsom to access the data again :p 21:50:08 <TrueBrain> apple .. peaches .. :) 21:50:40 <Belugas> SVN? you're sure? i was under the impression that Ludde used CVS 21:50:43 <Belugas> ho well... 21:50:55 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 1 21:50:55 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 21:50:56 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 21:50:59 <Rubidium> yeah, before SVN there was CVS 21:51:14 <TrueBrain> before my time :) 21:51:20 <peter1138> CVS doesn't exist 21:51:22 <Belugas> so it was a pre-975 first revisions,then? 21:51:34 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 21:51:48 <TrueBrain> (damn, I am here 5+ years already? Almost 5.5 .... omg .....) 21:51:50 <Belugas> that is CSV? 21:52:03 <TrueBrain> CSV is something completely different :p 21:55:22 <sparrL> what defines "in" a town for the 5 station requirement? 21:56:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the name that is given to the town by default 21:56:31 <Eddi|zuHause> more specifically: the town name that is contained in the default station name 21:56:37 <orudge> CVS does exist :p 21:56:48 <orudge> http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/cgi-bin/viewvc.py 21:56:49 <orudge> see! 21:57:26 <TrueBrain> cool :) Didn't know you kept that around :) 21:57:37 <orudge> I have a few random checkouts of the old crashed SVN too 21:57:42 <orudge> although not the repository itself, alas 21:57:50 <Rubidium> http://openttd.cvs.sourceforge.net/openttd/ <- that too, proves SF uses nginx too 21:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yay for never throwing anything away :) 21:58:09 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/cgi-bin/viewvc.py/vehicle.c?revision=1.1&view=markup <- woesh! 21:58:15 <peter1138> proves? 21:58:28 <orudge> TrueBrain: complicated stuff :) 21:58:43 <orudge> "loads of changes 21:58:43 <orudge> " 21:58:49 *** Phalax [~kvirc@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:58:50 <orudge> "huge changes" 21:58:50 <TrueBrain> more 1 function :) 21:58:53 <peter1138> sounds like a rigs of rods commit 21:58:58 <TrueBrain> who is 'cobraa1' ? 21:58:59 <Rubidium> peter1138: englich? 21:59:08 <orudge> CobraA1 was, hmm 21:59:14 <orudge> a guy who was around at the very beginning, basically :p 21:59:34 <orudge> http://www.tt-forums.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1710 21:59:59 <orudge> at the time, I think everything was a bit of a free-for-all on the forums 22:00:06 <orudge> a few developers who showed interest were given commit access 22:00:13 <orudge> then Ludde came back as he found people liked things 22:00:17 <orudge> and took matters back into his own hands 22:00:28 <orudge> vurlix and others joined in 22:00:33 <orudge> and OpenTTD as we know it began to take shape 22:00:38 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@181.108.203.213.9lyon1-0-ro-bas-1.9tel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:52 <TrueBrain> tell us more grandpa! :) 22:00:53 <Rubidium> /topic OpenTTD history channel 22:00:54 <TrueBrain> (sorry, I had to :p) 22:00:55 <peter1138> hehe 22:01:08 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/openttd/cgi-bin/viewvc.py/ttd.c?revision=1.1&view=markup <- so much fun to read :) 22:01:15 <TrueBrain> LoadSavegame("TRT00.SV0"); 22:01:17 <TrueBrain> hardcoded :p 22:01:17 <orudge> back in the day though, we still had to go to school every way in the snow uphill both ways though 22:01:23 <orudge> *day 22:01:32 <Prof_Frink> In the beginning was the Game, and the Game was with Chris, and the Game was Chris. 22:01:44 * andythenorth just lost the game :| 22:01:58 <orudge> and then there was the Ludde who reverse engineered it 22:02:25 <Prof_Frink> orudge: Oi. You just missed the entire Drexler Testament. 22:02:39 * orudge goes to visit the Church 22:02:42 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 22:02:48 <orudge> http://nylon.net/ttd/ 22:02:48 <orudge> woo 22:03:06 <orudge> along with the "based on the original coding of Oskar Eisemuth"-ified OpenTTD page 22:03:29 <orudge> which I found somewhat ironic, since I thought Oskar wanted to be completely unassociated with OpenTTD 22:03:32 <orudge> but ah well 22:04:03 <orudge> And the Lord Chris spake words to Microprose. Saith he: "I've got this rather cool idea for a game," and verily, Microprose saith unto the Lord Chris, "Thou shouldst go for it, chumblybum." 22:04:14 <orudge> And on the fifth day He had a terrific hangover, but still managed to code the computer's Artificial Intelligence. And He looked at the AI algorithms and thought, "These are pretty crappy" but His headache was so bad He left them as they were. 22:04:15 <orudge> :) 22:05:42 <rait> is that the official version of the story? :) 22:05:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:53 <orudge> rait: yep, just look at the Bible on that page ;) 22:06:00 <TrueBrain> we as OpenTTD do not acknowledge it!!! :p 22:06:17 <orudge> tsk, you separatists! :p 22:06:22 <Prof_Frink> Splitters! 22:07:05 <andythenorth> I know some people who worked at Microprose in the '90s. Wonder if they know what *really* happened :o 22:08:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:11:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:11:52 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-229-005.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:12:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D138.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but if they told you, they'd have to shoot you :p 22:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the TT manual had some bits in it on how The Game came to be 22:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, i lost the box with the manual... 22:20:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:21 <Zuu> Any other ideas than white background for highlighting a line in the AI Debug window? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3496/getfile/5494/Inget%20namn,%202%20jan%201957.png 22:22:34 <Ammler> http://tt-ms.de/downloads/ <-- Eddi|zuHause on the bottom 22:23:25 <PeterT> Zuu: What version are you using for that? 22:23:52 <Zuu> PeterT: 18960M ;-) 22:23:58 <PeterT> Ah 22:24:05 <PeterT> That's an interesting feature 22:24:10 <Zuu> Its this patch: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3496 22:24:14 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:24:16 <planetmaker> :-P Zuu: you could use yellow as well. 22:24:40 <planetmaker> But the light gray / white background does look quite fine IMO. It's nicely visible but yet not too intrusive 22:24:40 <Zuu> Have to check with the birght yellow text that it is readable. 22:25:11 <planetmaker> You could use green-red for optimal contrast :-P 22:25:19 <planetmaker> Especially a dark green on the default red. 22:25:39 <Zuu> If you use a TTF font will you get the black shadings as you get with the default fonts? 22:25:41 <Eddi|zuHause> especially nice for green-red-blind people :p 22:25:45 <Zuu> :-p 22:25:59 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that's the bonus why I suggested it ;-) 22:26:00 <Zuu> AIs can print in black, light yellow and red. 22:26:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and great eyecandy for the other people :p 22:26:47 <planetmaker> actually that's the reason I already altered the vehicle start/stop buttons in OpenGFX. 22:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the colours or the shape? 22:27:11 <planetmaker> red-green impaired people saw no difference between the green and red blob 22:27:22 <planetmaker> now it's a green dot and a red cross 22:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> an x-cross or a +-cross? 22:27:43 <planetmaker> x 22:28:03 <planetmaker> the latest nightly of OpenGFX should have it ;-) 22:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there are places where the "zomg, must be different from original" bits are inappropriate 22:28:29 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/546/start_stop_type2_normal.png 22:28:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:44 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:29:08 <planetmaker> the green tick is something I tried but NOT use ;-) 22:29:46 <Zuu> Hmm, the yellow text on the white background isn't very good. I can read the text but if there is a font without black shades then those users will have a problem. 22:30:02 <planetmaker> well. yellow on white is always a bad idea 22:30:07 <Terkhen> I was thinking of suggesting something like that cross :) 22:30:45 <planetmaker> there was also the suggestion of a stopp - sign - like shape. 22:30:55 <planetmaker> Alas... undistinguishable from round - which it was before. 22:30:59 <Zuu> Hmm, purple should work quite good. Or pink .. :-p 22:30:59 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-1177900202.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 22:31:05 <NekoMaster> hello peoples 22:31:21 <Terkhen> as long as it looks nice and I can distinguish stop from start... :P 22:31:24 * SpComb hacks up roundup 22:31:31 <peter1138> the weed killer? 22:31:36 <planetmaker> Terkhen, that should now easily be possible x vs o is fine :-) 22:31:48 <NekoMaster> *stomac rumbles* 22:31:52 <SpComb> peter1138: roundup? 22:31:56 <planetmaker> we have no food here, NekoMaster 22:31:59 <NekoMaster> lol 22:32:01 <NekoMaster> I do 22:32:10 <NekoMaster> im just lazy 22:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: could have used "pause" (||) and "play" (>) signs? 22:32:53 <planetmaker> hm... also a good suggestion actually. Yes, I could have, but it'd need re-drawing to the scale of those buttons. 22:33:05 <planetmaker> not a big issue, though. 22:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or horizontal and vertical arrow 22:33:52 <planetmaker> I thought about that. I found that not very clear. 22:34:19 <peter1138> yeah 22:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: stopping aircraft mid-air should make them circle 22:36:05 <planetmaker> hm... if newgrf airports are like industries... could they accept fuel? 22:36:06 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so i have about 200GB free spread over at least 4 disks... need to increase that to 400GB somehow... 22:36:44 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: rm -rf /media/disk/filme 22:37:03 <NekoMaster> : \ 22:37:08 <planetmaker> sudo rm -rf / is sure to work for 100% 22:37:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: from what I've seen so far, yes. If they are 'public' using the industry implementation. 22:37:26 <NekoMaster> Hmm.... 22:37:36 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: usually, rm should be protected against removing / 22:37:40 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c3f9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:37:49 <NekoMaster> that would be cool if depots and ports could except petrol or fuel oil 22:37:50 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, should it for root? 22:38:07 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: it should especially for root... 22:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: anybody else shouldn't have right to delete / anyway 22:38:38 <planetmaker> :-) 22:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> --no-preserve-root 22:39:01 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, easy: make it not writeable for root. 22:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that's about 400GB, alright ;) 22:41:11 <SpComb> peter1138: roundup is a is generic build-your-own-issue-tracker toolkit with some kind of weird UI and database features 22:41:23 <Rubidium> I would've gone for at least 260 GIB :) 22:41:45 <SpComb> peter1138: the devs just left in some hardcoded bits by accident, some weird defaults and then some ugly hacked together auxilliary scripts 22:41:53 <andythenorth> bedtime. for me anyway. you lot can choose for yourselves :P 22:42:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: luckily that one missed ~/serien, /mnt/zeug/serien and /media/disk/serien ;) 22:42:43 <Zuu> Hmm, why is TC_BLUE more black than TC_BLACK? 22:42:46 <TrueBrain> thank you andythenorth, that is nice of you :) 22:43:01 <TrueBrain> sleep well 22:43:43 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:44:16 <planetmaker> he... he still didn't understand the principle of a bouncer... 22:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "ey, du kommst hier nich rein"? 22:44:52 <planetmaker> eh? 22:44:57 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c371.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "bouncer" == "guy in front of club, that bounces off people" 22:46:07 * Zuu changes back to TC_BLUE to get a black rectangle 22:46:23 <planetmaker> oh... :-) that kind of bouncer 22:47:01 <planetmaker> "ey, alder, Du kommscht ier nischt rrein!" would be propper spelling, though ;-) 22:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe down south ;) 22:48:20 <planetmaker> or in Kreuzberg 22:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> damn... i forgot scrubs again... 22:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: "kommscht" i would place into swabia... 22:49:58 <Zuu> Btw, does anyoen know why rubyforge is so slow or has I just got the wrong mirror? 22:50:28 <TrueBrain> it always has been slow for me 22:50:31 <Zuu> http://files.rubyforge.vm.bytemark.co.uk/rubyinstaller/rubyinstaller-1.8.6-p383-rc1.exe <-- stalls all the time for me. 22:50:34 <Zuu> Ok 22:50:35 <Rubidium> Zuu: rubyforge is part of sourceforge? 22:50:50 <Zuu> I don't know if it is a part of sourceforge. 22:51:05 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm Aœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 22:51:11 <Zuu> sf at least gives you the files as user of their service. 22:51:46 <Zuu> I uninstalled my ruby installation before I had the installer downloaded, that was a big mistake it seems. :-p 22:52:34 <Zuu> I've got a binary installation now that is just a zip file, but that would require me to set up all the file bindings myself. 22:53:05 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/rubyinstaller-1.8.6-p383-rc1.exe <- faster? :p 22:53:23 <NekoMaster> hey guys 22:53:28 <TrueBrain> took 1.1 seconds to download :o 22:53:34 <Zuu> Yes, thank you 22:53:38 <TrueBrain> hello NekoMaster 22:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause> weird... i have a backup of a hard drive, and the image is 32GB, but i don't remember ever having a hard drive of that size 22:53:43 <TrueBrain> Zuu: please let me know when I can remove it :) 22:53:48 <NekoMaster> Hmm 22:53:48 <Zuu> Now 22:54:02 <TrueBrain> and gone it is :) 22:54:03 <Zuu> Took 1-2 seconds from your link. :-) 22:54:17 <TrueBrain> peerings .. you got to love them :) 22:54:38 <NekoMaster> Eddi|zuHause: Its probably just the total size of the files from the HD back up 22:54:51 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Quit: Omgwtf j? su p??a.] 22:55:00 <NekoMaster> lol 22:55:01 <TrueBrain> and now I wish you all a very good night 22:55:06 <NekoMaster> bye 22:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause> NekoMaster: thanks for your very worthless input. 22:55:13 <planetmaker> g'night TrueBrain 22:55:17 <NekoMaster> : | 22:55:18 <planetmaker> sleep well 22:55:27 <NekoMaster> Hey, im using my knowledge of computers 22:56:31 <Rubidium> yeah, going to bed seems a good thing to do 22:56:49 <planetmaker> indeed. Have everyone a good night. I'm off, too :-) 22:56:55 <Zuu> Night 22:58:57 <Eddi|zuHause> even weirder, when i mount the image, the partition is only 21GB in size... 22:59:09 <NekoMaster> Hmm... 22:59:12 <NekoMaster> whats it end in? 22:59:22 <NekoMaster> vhd? vdi? 22:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> in whatever came to my mind when i made it... 22:59:52 <NekoMaster> Hmm.... 22:59:57 <NekoMaster> I ment the extension 23:00:04 <NekoMaster> eg. Disk.vdi 23:00:14 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly what i meant, as well 23:00:16 <NekoMaster> VirtualHardDisk.VHD 23:00:42 <Eddi|zuHause> .output.of.dd 23:00:48 <NekoMaster> : \ 23:01:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:21 <NekoMaster> maybe the hd image is from a Virtual PC program like VBOX or VMware 23:01:23 <NekoMaster> : \ 23:01:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:04 <NekoMaster> Hmm.... 23:02:12 <NekoMaster> Eddi|zuHause: maybe the hd image is from a Virtual PC program like VBOX or VMware 23:03:10 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 23:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> please, i'm trying to remember when i made this... i know exactly _how_ i made it, because i only ever made these images in one way... 23:04:26 <NekoMaster> alright 23:06:18 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:38 <NekoMaster> any one here on linux? 23:06:43 <PeterT> I am 23:06:44 <PeterT> not. 23:06:47 <NekoMaster> : \ 23:07:17 <NekoMaster> This chat is dead... 23:07:21 <PeterT> hardly 23:07:30 <PeterT> you should've seen the amount of people in the past hour 23:07:31 <NekoMaster> I mean, nothing really interesting is being discussed 23:07:35 <NekoMaster> yeah 23:07:55 <PeterT> what's interesting for you is different than what's interesting for others 23:08:12 <NekoMaster> is the chat interesting right now for you Peter? 23:08:13 <Zuu> Anyway I don't understand why I am trying to get the ruby gem win32-clipboard to work. I've already made a c++ program using Win32 API instead.. 23:08:19 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 23:09:41 <NekoMaster> :| 23:09:43 <Zuu> (I'm working with a program where the only way to do text-based exports is to copy the out data to the clipboard) 23:10:07 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 23:10:10 <NekoMaster> Hmm... so, anyone here on a 32bit linux? 23:10:22 <rait> need testing or something? 23:10:25 <NekoMaster> yeah 23:10:32 <NekoMaster> I made a cargodist build 23:10:36 <Eddi|zuHause> obviously not... 23:10:42 <Zuu> I have two linux 32bit installations, but I seldome use them. 23:10:44 <NekoMaster> its in the cargo dist thread 23:10:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:07 <Zuu> And possible some more installations laying around on spare HDs. 23:11:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:42 <NekoMaster> Is it ok if I post a link here? 23:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 23:12:10 <NekoMaster> ?:| 23:12:50 <db48x> what do you need to test? 23:12:57 <PeterT> people will test it, NekoMaster 23:13:02 <NekoMaster> I just wanna know if it works for others 23:13:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r18984 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp viewport_type.h): -Add: Viewport place methods for dragging a line with limited size. 23:13:34 <NekoMaster> I tired it on puppy linux and it wouldn't work, even though nightlies and stables work 23:15:24 <db48x> hmm 23:15:30 <NekoMaster> *tried 23:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 198/8 23:15:39 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 24.75 23:15:40 <db48x> I'm not going to install a 32bit stdc library for that 23:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 216/9 23:15:53 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 24 23:15:58 <NekoMaster> what? 23:16:01 <NekoMaster> STDC? 23:16:26 <db48x> the standard library 23:16:32 <Terkhen> good night 23:16:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@9.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:16:51 <NekoMaster> oh, what do you need it for? 23:16:56 *** roboboy [6e14282b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:17:13 *** Sacro [~Sacro@83.100.249.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:17:21 <db48x> the standard library is what provides all of the standard C functions 23:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 8*24 23:17:40 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 192 23:17:41 <NekoMaster> Yeah, what...will openttd not run with out it? 23:17:50 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 23:17:58 <NekoMaster> @calc 9*2 23:17:58 <DorpsGek> NekoMaster: 18 23:18:00 <NekoMaster> : o 23:18:04 <db48x> no C program will run without that library 23:18:16 <NekoMaster> Yeah... I guess. 23:18:24 <db48x> but since you produced a 32bit version of the program, I would need to install the 32bit version of the library 23:18:33 <db48x> or you could statically link it 23:18:45 <db48x> not sure if the makefile makes that easy or not 23:19:22 <NekoMaster> statically link it? its gonna still be the same file 23:19:47 <NekoMaster> Im guessing you (db48x) are on a 64 bit distro? 23:20:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:46 <db48x> yea, looks like you could configure with --enable-static 23:20:51 <Rubidium> statically linking to libc might not be very safe 23:21:18 <Rubidium> especially if libc uses stuff from a kernel that's newer than the kernel you're running on the other machine 23:22:01 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:23 <NekoMaster> Im on Ubuntu 9.10, im not sure about the kernal 23:23:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:22 <db48x> anyway, why did it fail under puppy linux? 23:24:46 <NekoMaster> Idk 23:24:46 <Rubidium> because it uses dietlibc or so? 23:24:51 <NekoMaster> it wouldn't open 23:25:02 <NekoMaster> even though stables, nightlies, and testing would work 23:25:15 <NekoMaster> I was running openttd 1.0.0 b3 23:25:15 <db48x> well, it should give you an error message of some kind 23:25:18 <NekoMaster> nope 23:25:20 <NekoMaster> none 23:25:31 <NekoMaster> i clicked on it, and it did nothing 23:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> clicking never gives error messages 23:26:05 <Eddi|zuHause> need to start it from the console 23:26:37 <db48x> heh 23:26:47 <NekoMaster> Hmm? I don't know how to use the puppy linux consol, since its not based on any other distro 23:26:52 <NekoMaster> its a distro of its own 23:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause> how does that matter? 23:27:40 *** mib_l0ivet [58934836@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:27:58 <NekoMaster> it doesnt use Debian\Ubuntu Terminal or Windows Command Line commands 23:28:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the command to change directories is always "cd", and you start openttd always by "./openttd" 23:28:28 <NekoMaster> anyways, im on Ubuntu Linux right now, Im jsut gonna leave puppy for portable stuff 23:28:40 <NekoMaster> like when I goto school or other peoples places 23:29:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and likely you compiled some dynamic libs where the official binaries use static libs 23:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> most prominently libicu 23:29:48 <NekoMaster> yeah... its probably missing libraries on Puppy 23:30:14 <Rubidium> or... he linked with a too new libc for puppy 23:30:42 <NekoMaster> hmm... 23:30:46 <Rubidium> after all, the compile farm uses Debian Lenny, which is ancient compared to Ubuntu 9.10 23:31:04 <Rubidium> (although arguably more secure) 23:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, how can ubuntu not be secure!! it has all the latest stuff in it!! 23:31:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: right... 23:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> stuff is so new, people don't even know the loopholes yet! :p 23:32:11 <Rubidium> a fix for CVE-2009-4007? 23:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 23:32:24 <Rubidium> after all, they don't even package 0.7.5 (or 0.7.4) 23:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:57 <Rubidium> but Debian Lenny has a fix for CVE-2009-4007 23:33:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:38 <NekoMaster> hmm.... It would be cool if there was a patch to simulate real world econimy 23:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean "totally ruin everybody every 6-10 years"? 23:34:17 <NekoMaster> No 23:34:19 <NekoMaster> I mean 23:34:29 <NekoMaster> 1928 > Start of great depression 23:34:46 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 0% interest loans ofcourse 23:34:49 <NekoMaster> 1970's to 1980's > Oil Scare (Depression) 23:35:07 <NekoMaster> Around 2009 > Ression 23:35:13 <NekoMaster> though 23:35:32 <NekoMaster> the lenght of the ressions and depressions would depend on which country you pick 23:35:54 <SmatZ> like, Northern Korea 23:35:55 <NekoMaster> that way if your trying to play Japan, you wont get the same effects that USA did or the UK 23:36:08 <SmatZ> you start building commercial transport company 23:36:10 <NekoMaster> Though, theres no north korean set yet 23:36:14 <SmatZ> you get jailed and shot 23:36:16 <SmatZ> the end 23:36:19 <NekoMaster> lol 23:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> so, if i pick germany, the map is divided in half after a while? 23:36:36 <SmatZ> hehe 23:36:59 <NekoMaster> um, that would be more like a Bondry Patch, where it might show real boundries or simulated ones 23:37:08 <Rubidium> hmm, Japan isn't hit by last year's shit? 23:37:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:20 <Rubidium> sorry, but you need to redo your research 23:37:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:37:45 <Eddi|zuHause> something's wrong with my connection 23:38:04 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: and for Iceland you've got a multi-billion dollar loan? :) 23:38:07 <NekoMaster> But, when ression and depression comes around, industires may close down, some town buildings might be demolished, 23:38:12 <NekoMaster> ther would be inflation 23:38:18 <NekoMaster> so stuff would cost alot more 23:38:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: your connection is saying that you need some sleep 23:38:33 <NekoMaster> Lol 23:38:47 <NekoMaster> If you're on WIFI that may be the problem 23:38:49 <NekoMaster> or a bad router 23:39:23 <Rubidium> anyhow, a bit of inflation isn't bad 23:39:30 <NekoMaster> well 23:39:40 <Rubidium> lots of inflation, very little inflation or deflation are bad 23:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> high inflation is actually considered good for the economy, because the cost of workforce decreases 23:40:26 <NekoMaster> one way to simulate inflation of the Dollar is change your currency to custome, use the $ symbol, and instead of 2 USD to a GBP make it a bit higher like 3 or 4 USD to a GBP 23:40:27 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why they tried to keep inflation high after WWI 23:40:29 <NekoMaster> though 23:40:34 <NekoMaster> um 23:40:35 <NekoMaster> Pie 23:40:55 <NekoMaster> it doesnt have to be the dollar anyways, it could be DM, Francs, Yen 23:41:13 <NekoMaster> </> 23:41:16 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but there's a point where it isn't good anymore, e.g. Zimbabwe 23:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause> of course they had no idea how things work, so they caused a hyperinflation 23:41:50 <NekoMaster> Well, if inflation happen but the econemy was still good, then nothing bad happen 23:42:06 * Rubidium wonders whether NekoMaster has any real knowledge about economy 23:42:26 * NekoMaster is a 17yr old gr12 (senior) student 23:42:40 <Rubidium> changing the exchange rate has nothing to do with inflation 23:42:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:04 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:43:26 <NekoMaster> I know that, but when inflation happens the numbers for money seam bigger 23:43:38 <NekoMaster> even if its the same currency 23:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause> have you heard? in 2010, germany is finally free of debt from WWI ;) 23:43:43 <NekoMaster> wow 23:44:02 <NekoMaster> Is anyone here from Germany? 23:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 23:44:11 <SmatZ> nope 23:44:16 <NekoMaster> Not me 23:44:26 * NekoMaster is a Canadian 23:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause> fun fact: in every country of the world, the passports state the country of origin ("Austria", "France", etc.). except in germany the passports say "german" and not "Germany" 23:45:52 <Yexo> * Rubidium wonders whether NekoMaster has any real knowledge about economy <- I'm not wondering anymore, not after <NekoMaster> I know that, but when inflation happens the numbers for money seam bigger 23:45:52 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:12 <NekoMaster> : \ 23:46:21 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:46:40 <NekoMaster> Ok, fine, tell me how it works 23:47:18 <SmatZ> Yexo: I failed with ENOPARSE with that sentence 23:48:15 <Yexo> SmatZ: oh :( 23:48:21 <Yexo> I'll just get some sleep I think 23:48:23 <Yexo> gn all 23:48:38 <PeterT> night Yexo 23:48:39 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:48:51 <Rubidium> SmatZ: it just makes me think of http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/01/31/12686831-cp.html 23:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that has to do with WWII and it's outcome, because the german nationality is derived from "living in german empire on 31.12.1937", but that state doesn't exist anymore 23:49:04 <SmatZ> Yexo: I mean the original sentence, not yours :) 23:49:23 <SmatZ> Rubidium: hehe :-) 23:49:27 <Yexo> SmatZ: ah, ok :) 23:49:35 <Yexo> but it's still getting late :p 23:50:54 <NekoMaster> Here its only 6:50PM (-5GMT) 23:51:06 <NekoMaster> but its already pretty dark 23:51:22 <NekoMaster> which is one reson to hate winter 23:51:42 <Zuu> Then you are not very far north if it is only "pretty dark" at 6:50 :-) 23:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> neither of the post-WWII german states are official decendents of the german empire, and citizens of both states had a shared nationality 23:52:01 <NekoMaster> I like on the shore of Lake Ontario in the City Of Oshawa 23:52:16 <NekoMaster> its about a 40 Minute Drive on the high way to Toronto 23:52:30 <NekoMaster> *live, not like 23:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> then Zuu is probably further north than you :p 23:53:16 <NekoMaster> Lol 23:53:32 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: so someone born in Western Poland could get German in his/her passport? 23:53:44 <Zuu> I checked up Vancouver, Canada is about the same amount north as north Germany. 23:53:55 <NekoMaster> lol 23:53:57 <NekoMaster> wow 23:54:08 <Zuu> And the border between Canada and US is quite flat (north-south-wise) I think. 23:54:18 <NekoMaster> I guess 23:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, the rule is "person or ancestor must have been living in germany on 31.12.1937" 23:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i have read the exact paragraph somewhere... 23:56:17 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.ieg-maps.uni-mainz.de/gif/p937d_a4.gif 23:56:17 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but if my grandfather was born in Western Poland on 30-12-1937? 23:56:32 <Rubidium> (what is now Western Poland ofcourse) 23:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yes, that would count 23:57:35 <Rubidium> hmm, two Frankfurts 23:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> # Weil Frankfurt so gross ist, so teilt man's in zwei ein 23:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> # In Frankfurt an der Oder und Frankfurt am Main 23:58:30 <__ln__> # zu gross 23:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: not the version i heard... 23:59:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:56 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer]