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00:03:30 <ccfreak2k> I was told that Vector is distinct from vector. 00:03:40 <ccfreak2k> Now I have to solve the mystery of the missing datatype. 00:06:24 <Rubidium> STL is all lowercase, so Vector isn't in there 00:06:25 <Faux> This channel is like ##c++, but scarier. 00:08:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:19 *** mib_0g00ho [58934960@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:14:21 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 00:20:58 <Shapeshifter> http://stuff.moritzg.ch/openttfomg.png the hell? 00:21:17 <Shapeshifter> how can I prevent this from happening? 00:21:44 <Shapeshifter> seems like there was a traffic jam at the lights 00:21:46 <Rubidium> by building bridges 00:22:22 <Shapeshifter> mh. and how can I clean up the mess? 00:22:30 <Shapeshifter> stuff just sits around now. 00:22:42 <Rubidium> wait 00:23:01 <Shapeshifter> but I'm worried that the train will come by again and crash into things again 00:23:12 <Nite_Owl> stop the train 00:23:20 <Shapeshifter> ok. 00:23:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:25:15 <PeterT> Build a temporary bridge to the right of the road 00:25:21 <PeterT> and redirect traffic to there 00:25:36 <Nite_Owl> Need to feed - later all 00:25:45 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:26:43 <ccfreak2k> Wouldn't a PBS work well there? 00:26:53 <Eddi|zuHause> double rails are a real death trap for road vehicles 00:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> PBS even increases that effect 00:27:27 <ccfreak2k> Shouldn't cars check to see if the tile ahead of them is allocated? 00:27:50 <ccfreak2k> It won't solve all the problems, but at least a few. 00:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> someone attempted to make a patch like that 00:28:16 <SmatZ> it would cause jams, too 00:28:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but that doesn't consider (longer) articulated vehicles 00:28:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if he got anywhere 00:29:01 <Rubidium> and it won't consider crossing - road+ - crossing with a traffic jam 00:29:34 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause> someone attempted to make a patch like that <-- "someone", being you? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=46091 00:29:40 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:43 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: no, other patch 00:29:56 <thingwath> Is there some pathfinder setting to make road vehicles avoid crossings at any cost? 00:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: someone tried to make vehicles check if they would get stuck on the rail 00:30:31 <PeterT> How did that work out? 00:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you seriously need to work on your reading comprehension 00:31:16 <Rubidium> thingwath: not "at any cost", but yes there is (at least for YAPF) 00:31:29 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:31:44 <Rubidium> and with that I mean that if a level crossing is the only option it will take it 00:31:59 <thingwath> That's exactly what I hoped for :) 00:32:03 <Rubidium> or if the detour is ridiciously long, i.e twice around the map or so 00:32:23 <ccfreak2k> "I could die...but the other route takes soooo long..." 00:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B99.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:56 <ccfreak2k> Hmm. 00:35:17 <ccfreak2k> Depending on the memory and software requrements, it may be theoretically possible to run openttd on the gamecube. 00:36:19 <Rubidium> I see no reason why it wouldn't work 00:36:49 <SmatZ> it is able to run linux 00:36:59 <SmatZ> so there is some crosscompiler for it 00:37:24 <SmatZ> 43 MB RAM not much 00:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause> should be fine 00:37:55 <Eddi|zuHause> except for huge maps 00:37:58 <ccfreak2k> Well, SDL has been ported to devkitppc, so removing any of the OS-specific bits should make it work. 00:38:10 <ccfreak2k> Then it just has to run in full-screen all the time. 00:38:28 <Rubidium> SmatZ: but it 'works' on the NDS which has 4 MB of RAM and a 67 MHz CPU 00:38:36 <ccfreak2k> I'd also have to adapt it to controller control. 00:38:45 <SmatZ> Rubidium: very true :) 00:38:56 <Rubidium> a Gamecube has a whopping 486 MHz CPU and almost eleven times as much memory 00:39:15 <ccfreak2k> Rubidium, PPC even, so it's probably closer to a 600MHz Intel chip. 00:39:27 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: NDS is ARM 00:39:33 <ccfreak2k> Gamecube is PPC. 00:39:40 <Rubidium> that I know 00:39:51 <Rubidium> but comparing to Intel is totally stupid 00:40:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r19000 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Cleanup: remove redundant check 00:40:30 <ccfreak2k> Ok. 00:40:33 <PeterT> 1000 revisions to go 00:41:29 <Rubidium> (or you want to have a factor 2 difference; netburst's IPC vs core's IPC 00:41:31 <ccfreak2k> The painful part is autotools. ./configure will fail when trying to look for sdl-config. 00:41:53 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: OTTD doesn't use any auto* 00:41:55 <Rubidium> ./configure --with-sdl=/path/to/sdl-conig 00:42:04 <ccfreak2k> There is no sdl-config. 00:42:16 <ccfreak2k> It's just headers + static lib. 00:42:31 <Rubidium> then write a script that fakes sdl-config 00:42:37 <Rubidium> that shouldn't be that hard 00:42:44 <ccfreak2k> SmatZ, I really should just shut up and look at the source package then. 00:44:54 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: hack config.lib ;) 00:44:54 <SmatZ> or create your own sdl-config 00:44:54 <SmatZ> returning what OTTD expects :-p 00:44:54 <SmatZ> easy with a shell script... 00:44:54 * SmatZ got lagged for a while 00:45:53 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:33 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: no need to be that expressive ;) 00:48:23 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBsy8KZ_uM what's this? 00:48:44 <devilsadvocate> is ttrs a patch in openttd or should i install ttrs3 assuming i want it? the screenshots look a lot like my buildings... 00:48:45 <SmatZ> I guess one has to know the software used to create it 00:49:13 <devilsadvocate> my as in the ones i see in my game 00:49:30 <ccfreak2k> SmatZ, I made a hard drive in Garry's Mod. 00:49:34 <ccfreak2k> And that's it there. 00:49:48 <SmatZ> devilsadvocate: just download ttrs newgrf via the "Content download" system 00:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> devilsadvocate: check the "NewGRF Settings" window 00:50:24 <devilsadvocate> SmatZ, i dont see ttrs in the content download list. thats why im not sure if i should or not 00:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> not all grfs are in the content downloader 00:50:52 <devilsadvocate> oh 00:51:00 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:11 <SmatZ> oh, right 00:51:47 <ccfreak2k> SmatZ, the idea is that the laser intersects with the disc at some point, and the code figures out where on the prop the laser hit and reads from or writes to that part of a giant table. 00:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> a larger number of grfs can be found on http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net 00:52:25 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.54.134] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:53:19 <Eddi|zuHause> you might also want to check http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/GRF 00:53:57 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: reading about Garry's Mod makes me want to (re)play half-life (2) 00:58:37 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:02 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:59:44 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: looks interesting :) reminds me of "OTTD digital counters" :) 01:00:02 <SmatZ> like http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37902 01:00:15 <PeterT> damn backups 01:00:25 <Eoin> The nightly database backup is currently running 01:00:26 <SmatZ> hehe 01:00:27 <Eoin> Bad timing 01:00:34 <SmatZ> [01:59:58] <SmatZ> 01:00:38 <SmatZ> you had two seconds! 01:01:06 <ccfreak2k> Is there any particular reason why the forum can't be read-only during backup time, other than the fact that a 10 minute window might not even be worth it? 01:01:28 <SmatZ> ask orudge 01:01:51 <SmatZ> but I guess this is easier solution than patching phpbb and zillion places 01:01:53 <Eoin> as it would backup slower 01:01:57 <Eoin> If its read only 01:02:00 <Eoin> people are still reading 01:02:03 <Eoin> means backup is slower 01:02:04 <Eoin> i guess 01:03:21 <PeterT> SmatZ: Wrong. [20:00:04] <SmatZ> like http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=37902 01:03:48 <Eoin> No PeterT 01:03:51 <Eoin> thats american lag 01:04:48 <PeterT> you're american lag! 01:05:30 <Rubidium> Eoin: reading the forum does database modifications too, e.g. the read count and such 01:05:55 <Eoin> aye 01:06:01 <Eoin> so basically easier to just not let anyone read 01:10:17 <SmatZ> don't (all) databases allow on-line backup? 01:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause> only if they're transactional 01:10:17 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 01:10:17 <Eoin> its back u 01:10:18 <SmatZ> true 01:10:37 <Rubidium> and getting a proper backup of a database that is being modified is far from trivial 01:10:46 <SmatZ> I have no clue what database background is used at tt-forums 01:11:55 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 01:14:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 01:15:02 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 01:15:25 <Eoin> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=94069 01:15:30 <Eoin> someone made an OpenTTD ALU 01:15:31 <Eoin> my god 01:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yay... a court decided that legal documents sent by email and blocked by a spamfilter is legally considered "delivered" 01:15:55 <Eoin> lol 01:16:32 <Eddi|zuHause> oh the logic gates... those were fun times 01:16:38 <SmatZ> hehe 01:16:53 <Eoin> self regulating networks 01:16:54 <Eoin> nice 01:16:59 <SmatZ> [02:15:33] <Eddi|zuHause> yay... a court decided that legal documents sent by email and blocked by a spamfilter is legally considered "delivered" <== we can expect similiar case here as well 01:17:23 <ccfreak2k> Eoin, and he mowed down two towns to make it. 01:17:47 <Eoin> lol 01:17:54 <SmatZ> though... one has to login often enough to his "data storage" to see new messages 01:17:59 <SmatZ> so it's different case 01:19:52 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: it's totally realistic to destroy entire towns/villages 01:20:23 <Eoin> if people can do that via trains 01:20:28 <Eoin> cant we get it actually IN the game 01:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> for example for open coal mines or hydro-power 01:21:11 <ccfreak2k> Or to create a digital logic circuit? 01:21:27 <Eoin> im sure china will one day 01:21:43 <SmatZ> hehe 01:22:19 <ccfreak2k> I hate makefiles. 01:22:20 <ccfreak2k> >:( 01:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> a logic circuit the size of a large city... 01:23:23 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: it wasn't unrealistic ~75 years ago 01:23:50 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: a large warehouse, maybe 01:25:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "Leibnitz discovered the binary system during a conversation with his mother" 01:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "yes... no... no... yes... no..." 01:25:48 <SmatZ> hehehe 01:25:55 <SmatZ> exactly my thoughts :) 01:26:48 <SmatZ> "ENIAC contained 17,468 vacuum tubes, 7,200 crystal diodes, 1,500 relays, 70,000 resistors, 10,000 capacitors and around 5 million hand-soldered joints." 01:26:57 <SmatZ> I would expect far less 01:27:17 <PeterT> off to go reinstall Ubuntu 01:27:19 <PeterT> bye all 01:27:21 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:37 <SmatZ> given 4004 consists of 2300 transistors 01:27:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Ubuntu really is the new windows... 01:27:46 <Eddi|zuHause> now it even needs reinstalls... 01:28:00 <Eoin> lol 01:28:18 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:19 <SmatZ> hehe 01:28:23 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: the transistor was a huge technology jump 01:28:35 <SmatZ> "The short ton is a unit of weight equal to 2,000 pounds (907.18474 kg).[1] In the United States it is often called simply ton[1] without distinguishing it from the metric ton (tonne, 1,000 kilograms) or the long ton (2,240 pounds/1,016.0469088 kilograms); rather, the other two are specifically noted. There are, however, some U.S. applications for which unspecified tons normally means long tons (for example, Navy ships)[2] or metric tons (world grain 01:28:37 <SmatZ> production figures)." 01:28:41 <SmatZ> metric system ftw... 01:29:16 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, but how is transistor different from vacuum tubes? 01:30:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not exactly sure how a vacuum tube works 01:31:03 <ccfreak2k> Vacuum tubes are also much larger. 01:31:11 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, back then they might not have had as universal instruction sets 01:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause> or ENIAC had more capabilities than a 4004 01:31:47 <ccfreak2k> I'm guessing the latter. 01:31:53 <SmatZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triode 01:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> or did you mean a 4040? 01:31:58 <ccfreak2k> ENIAC was also application-specific. 01:32:10 <ccfreak2k> Unlike the 4004, which was more than likely general-purpose. 01:32:20 <ccfreak2k> And low-end too. 01:32:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit 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like it compiles into a couple of different libs. 01:55:31 <ccfreak2k> Or it links them together into libSDL_sound.a. 01:55:51 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:56:19 * SmatZ doesn't know 01:59:15 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:17 <ccfreak2k> sdl-config appears to be just a shell script. 01:59:21 <ccfreak2k> That makes things easy. 01:59:41 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:00:50 <SmatZ> /usr/bin/sdl-config: POSIX shell script text executable 02:00:51 <SmatZ> right :) 02:01:16 <SmatZ> and quite short 02:11:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-155-99.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:15:18 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:31 *** Aali 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[~egladil@dhcp-192-231.nomad.chalmers.se] has joined #openttd 09:06:51 <blathijs> ccfreak2k: Dunno, it's not listed in readme.txt 09:06:59 <ccfreak2k> Also, I got ./configure to work with only adding GC as an "os". 09:07:26 <TrueBrain> PSP is not official supported blathijs, so that is most likely why ;) 09:07:56 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Hmm, there is a target defined for it in configure IIRC 09:08:01 <ccfreak2k> There is. 09:08:04 <TrueBrain> I did some ground work for it 09:08:13 <blathijs> and/or I saw references to it in trunk 09:08:13 <ccfreak2k> There's also at least a few #if defined PSP. 09:08:16 <TrueBrain> but it never really got anywhere :) 09:08:24 <TrueBrain> (as I don't own a PSP :p) 09:08:40 <blathijs> Hmm, that's a lousy way to port an app :-P 09:08:51 <TrueBrain> yup .. the person who was doing that, never gave any feedback .. 09:09:16 <ccfreak2k> I'm the lucky owner of a fully-modded gamecube, so I can actually write and test. 09:09:19 <dih> i assume ccfreak2k has a psp 09:09:25 <ccfreak2k> I don't have a PSP. 09:09:28 <dih> ah 09:09:30 <dih> shame :-P 09:09:32 <ccfreak2k> But I figured its code would be a good starting point. 09:09:39 <dih> :-D 09:09:57 <TrueBrain> there is enough custom code to get you on the way for any port :) 09:10:22 <ccfreak2k> Well, the GC would be an "embedded" target, as everything is statically-linked, etc. 09:10:23 <roboboy> ccfreak2k: can a normal gamecube play homebrew or does it need a chip? 09:10:42 <TrueBrain> ccfreak2k: static linking is done for Windows too :p 09:10:43 <ccfreak2k> roboboy, it can play homebrew without one, but you need to coerce the gamecube into getting it to run first. 09:11:05 <ccfreak2k> Which uh...I guess would require some kind of chip actually. 09:11:09 <TrueBrain> but if there is libSDL for the GC, the rest should be easy :) 09:11:10 <ccfreak2k> Or wait, it doesn't. 09:11:21 <TrueBrain> and howdie dih 09:11:27 <roboboy> ok as I am not a fan of chipping consoles 09:11:27 <ccfreak2k> One trick is to use a mile-long list of Pro Action Replay codes to boot the SD loader code. 09:11:41 <TrueBrain> hahahahaha :) 09:11:43 <ccfreak2k> So if you have a Pro Action Replay and a SD card adapter, you're set. 09:11:50 <roboboy> unless you can somehow exploit code in a game 09:11:55 <roboboy> hehe 09:12:09 <ccfreak2k> TrueBrain, someone did port libSDL and friends to Wii, and I took the liberty of backporting them to gamecube, which is why I have my eyes set on openttd. 09:12:25 <TrueBrain> then a C compiler should do the rest 09:12:26 <ccfreak2k> roboboy, yes, the infamous "Twilight Hack" did that on the Wii. 09:13:09 <ccfreak2k> I wasn't averse to chipping my gamecube, though. It makes homebrew and the like -so- much easier. 09:14:25 <ccfreak2k> If I can get my hands on a USB Gecko, I can even use gdb to debug programs on it. 09:14:35 <peter1138> hah 09:14:45 <peter1138> "who uses the user 'backup'" 09:14:52 <peter1138> well, let's see, i wonder... 09:15:39 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:16:14 <roboboy> I think ive read about that 09:16:14 <roboboy> I geuse since I have a wii it wouldn't be too bad 09:16:53 <peter1138> guess 09:16:56 <ccfreak2k> The Wii is more comprehensive with the hacks, mostly because A) Nintendo stepped up security on it and B) it's an arms race since the Wii doesn't have indelible firmware. 09:17:56 <ccfreak2k> On the GC, you just have to use PAR codes to get it to start running what you want. 09:18:12 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:19:05 <blathijs> What's Pro Action Replay? 09:19:40 <ccfreak2k> The proper name for what used to be GameShark. 09:20:47 <blathijs> Is it like the Game Genie? 09:21:05 <ccfreak2k> It doesn't use the same code format, but the idea is the same. 09:21:38 <blathijs> And it has a custom mode to read and write arbitrary memory addresses or something? 09:22:13 <ccfreak2k> No, that's its primary feature. 09:22:24 <ccfreak2k> Action Replays (without Pro) can only exchange game saves. 09:22:26 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:54 <blathijs> Feels a bit like programming a game on a C64 then, I bet :-) 09:22:54 <ccfreak2k> It doesn't read addresses, though. Only writes. 09:23:15 <ccfreak2k> Before the game starts, you pick addresses and what values you want to have. When the game starts, the "trainer" runs in the background and makes sure it keeps those values. 09:23:25 *** bartaway is now known as bartavelle 09:23:31 <ccfreak2k> Some similar tricks were used on Atari for example, for different purposes. 09:23:35 <bartavelle> yo 09:26:27 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:26:27 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:30 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:29:31 <ccfreak2k> Am I a bad person for hacking up the makefile instead of ./configure? 09:30:38 <TrueBrain> if you want others to use your code: yes 09:30:44 <TrueBrain> as Makefile is overwritten every time you run ./configure :) 09:30:57 <ccfreak2k> It seems like configure is trying to outsmart me. 09:31:11 <ccfreak2k> It thinks its building to a win32 target. 09:31:30 <TrueBrain> there is a configure switch to overrule that 09:33:01 <ccfreak2k> --host? 09:33:24 <blathijs> --build I think 09:33:26 <TrueBrain> ... 09:33:30 <TrueBrain> ./configure --help :) 09:33:54 <blathijs> :-) 09:33:58 <TrueBrain> blathijs: so you are wrong ;) 09:34:01 <ccfreak2k> The only two in --help I can see are host and os, both of which are set to distinctly non-win32 targets (powerpc-eabi and UNIX repsectively). 09:34:51 <TrueBrain> blathijs: build is always the target you are building ON, and host is always the target you are building FOR :) 09:35:15 <blathijs> Eh? Isn't that the other way around? 09:35:29 <TrueBrain> --build=BUILD configure for building on BUILD [guessed] 09:35:30 <TrueBrain> --host=HOST cross-compile to build programs to run 09:35:31 <TrueBrain> on HOST [BUILD] 09:35:49 <TrueBrain> you have your build machine, and you have your host machine .. first is where you build it on, latter is where it will run on 09:36:00 <blathijs> E.g, If I use my amd64 box to compile a program for arm, then --host=amd64 and --build=arm, right? 09:36:06 <TrueBrain> you also have the confusion host / target pair in some configures, there the host is your current system, and target where you build for 09:36:25 <blathijs> Yes, that's the common setup 09:36:31 <TrueBrain> no, that is the uncommon :p 09:36:34 <blathijs> Eh? 09:36:36 <blathijs> Uh... 09:37:02 <TrueBrain> but to answer your former question: no: --build=amd64, --host=arm 09:37:41 <blathijs> Isn't the idea of --host to say "If you need to compile a program that needs to be run during compilation (e.g., strgen), use a compiler for this platform" 09:37:45 <TrueBrain> blathijs: Gentoo had a lot of trouble with both systems. It turned out that build/host is most used (and makes most sense), and host/target is lesser used 09:37:57 <TrueBrain> blathijs: that is your BUILD machine 09:38:01 <TrueBrain> on which you are building 09:38:03 <blathijs> Blub 09:38:05 <blathijs> :-) 09:38:10 <TrueBrain> and that is exactly the confusion :) build/host vs host/target 09:38:13 <ccfreak2k> Anyway, my issue is that CONFIGURE_FILES for example is using win32 paths, whereas devkitpro uses UNIX paths and has a very particular setup. 09:38:22 <peter1138> heh 09:38:47 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Bah, you are right. I'm confusing host/target. 09:39:03 <TrueBrain> blathijs: it is very normal to confuse both .. who ever invented host/target should be shot :) 09:39:07 <TrueBrain> it is very ambigious :) 09:39:13 <blathijs> Though I think host/target makes more sense (even better would have been build/target, but that's never used I guess) 09:39:29 <TrueBrain> yes, build/target would have made the most sense :) 09:39:44 <TrueBrain> either way, GNU for a long time promoted host/target, but now only talks about build/host 09:40:06 <ccfreak2k> Doesn't build/host/target also have to do with the so-called Canadian cross? 09:40:36 <TrueBrain> ccfreak2k: the fact you can use google, doesn't make you wise ;) 09:40:53 <ccfreak2k> So help channels don't want me to be wise? 09:41:02 <TrueBrain> Canadian Cross is a fancy way of saying cross-compiling 09:41:27 <ccfreak2k> Don't you mean "building a compiler thrice to move it from one arch to another"? 09:41:28 <TrueBrain> either way, for a few years, 'canadian cross' only talks about build/host :) 09:42:02 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:42:57 <TrueBrain> either way: confusing as hell :) 09:43:29 <ccfreak2k> I don't disagree ther.e 09:45:01 <ccfreak2k> Also, building apps for gc/wii involves and extra step: converting the elf into a dol. 09:45:18 <ccfreak2k> How exactly would I ./configure that in? 09:45:33 <TrueBrain> not, really :) As it is a bit insane ;) 09:45:45 <TrueBrain> but I guess a: --run-dol-at-the-end :p 09:45:52 <blathijs> That would probably require an addition to the makefile? 09:45:59 <TrueBrain> we have 'strip' and 'lipo' too as final actions, so :) 09:46:05 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:27 <TrueBrain> just don't forget you should never edit Makefile, but always Makefile.in or Makefile.src.in 09:46:44 <blathijs> And trigger that by the OS / build being GC? 09:46:58 <TrueBrain> OS=GC would make most sense :) 09:47:01 *** Wizzleby 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run when Makefile is? 10:07:16 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-200-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:11 <blathijs> ccfreak2k: Eh? 10:10:32 <blathijs> ccfreak2k: configure generates Makefile from Makefile.in and Makefile.src from Makefile.src.in 10:10:41 <blathijs> And Makefile includes Makefile.src 10:10:43 <blathijs> IIRC 10:11:04 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:17 <ccfreak2k> Right, but the MINGW thing isn't happening at configure, so I want to know if it actually happens when make is run. 10:12:43 <Rubidium> Makefile.src.in ends up in objs/[release|debug]/ or even objs/[target]/[release|debug] for OSX universal binaries 10:13:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:31 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:13:33 <Rubidium> and gets 'called' (as in $MAKE -C objs/../Makefile) instead of included 10:13:37 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:13:49 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:14:32 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, thanks for the correction :-) 10:17:57 <ccfreak2k> I think I'm starting to get it now. 10:18:43 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@251.Red-83-52-68.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 10:18:50 <Terkhen> good morning 10:27:46 <peter1138> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/gear-ring-is-like-mechanical-catnip-to-nerds/ 10:28:52 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:02 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 10:45:58 *** roboboy [7248e7fc@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:53:08 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:54:51 *** egladil [~egladil@dhcp-192-231.nomad.chalmers.se] has quit 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The station is not on their orders list 13:58:59 <Noldo> make the next order non-stop 13:59:09 <rane> (you can make that to happen automatically) 14:00:02 <Shapeshifter> okay thanks 14:00:25 <Noldo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Orders#Non-Stop 14:01:28 <Noldo> hmm, the Via order is only in trunk? 14:02:15 <Rubidium> no 14:17:46 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-200-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 14:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in 1.0.0-beta as well ;) 14:19:23 <Rubidium> via orders are also in 0.7 14:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i can't really check right now, if that feature was pre-0.7 or post-0.7 14:19:55 <Rubidium> and actually also before 0.7 (given the right settings) 14:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 14:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i do remember now that i made a screenshot "of 0.7" with go-via orders for road vehicles 14:21:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19002 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#1140]: [OSX] Problems with scrolling touchpad (Peter Thorson). I can/have not test(ed) it, it cannot break non OSX builds. 14:22:37 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 14:24:54 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:39 <__ln__> i have not tested the #1140 patch, but at least it matches my own conclusion that the fix doesn't go into an OSX-specific file but a common one. 14:25:43 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f8bf:d79a:c339:b703] has joined #openttd 14:25:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 14:26:20 <Rubidium> __ln__: still, the fix is for code that is ONLY used for the Mac port 14:29:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-72-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause> somehow, __ln__ always looks like a python magical function to me... 14:30:13 <__ln__> Rubidium: yeah, until the human input methods on PCs advance to the level they've been on Macs for years. :) 14:31:38 *** glx is now known as Guest743 14:31:38 *** glx_ is now known as glx 14:31:59 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-72-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 14:32:17 *** Guest743 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f8bf:d79a:c339:b703] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:32:21 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-72-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19003 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/fullscreen.mm: (log message trimmed) 14:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3194]: [OSX] OS X 10.5+ does not (always?) handle 8bpp graphics in a 14:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: suitable manner. This is actually not a fix but a nasty work around; you can 14:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: still easily trigger the bug/issue by overriding the 'default' blitter choice 14:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: (Brad Oliver). I can/have not test(ed) (including compiling) this fix. 14:32:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Bjarni once suggested that 8bpp works for him on 10.5, so apparantly not all 14:32:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: 10.5+ does not handle 8bpp graphics. Nevertheless, it seemed that for some 14:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> EParseMisplacedParenthesis 14:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no... i just missed it 14:37:23 <Rubidium> yay for committing untested patches! 14:37:42 <Rubidium> and/or hacky workarounds 14:37:46 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well, at least you know they can compile :) 14:37:59 <TrueBrain> but if the commits message gets longer than the commit ... 14:40:13 <Rubidium> anyhow, r19003 is just plain stupid 14:41:10 <TrueBrain> OSX is 14:41:18 <Rubidium> it's like: some people of the age 18-25 get drunk before driving, we don't know which beforehand, so just ban all of those from driving 14:41:34 <Rubidium> but I guess it's common in society 14:42:02 <Rubidium> it's always the few trouble makers that screw the fun for the rest 14:43:29 <__ln__> does this FS#2782 (hopelessly outdated) bug track all OSX-tagged bugs automatically, or is it done manually? 14:44:12 <Rubidium> e.g. how many money is wasted on useless 'anti-terrorism' stuff? The only thing the 'anti-terrorism' stuff does is feeding the fear 14:44:18 <Rubidium> __ln__: it's manual 14:46:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:46:26 <__ln__> Rubidium: ok; i'd like to point out that #3447 (SDL Port is unuseable) does not really belong to that list then, as the Mac port has been independent of SDL for years. and requires extra effort to compile with SDL. 14:47:47 <Rubidium> __ln__: it's there to prevent people from suggesting we use SDL instead of cocoa et al over and over again 14:47:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but not being able to use SDL is one of the reasons why the OSX port needs so much special attention 14:49:30 <__ln__> Rubidium: i see. and i agree the #3447 as such is a valid bug report. 14:55:07 <Rubidium> hmm, I would have expected that there were people clicking on the 3447 bug report in 2782, but none in the last two days (besides myself to test whether my grep was correct) 14:55:35 <Rubidium> then why have they stopped suggesting to use SDL all of the sudden that 3447 was added as dependency for 2782? 14:57:03 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB4F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:13 <planetmaker> <Rubidium> anyhow, r19003 is just plain stupid <-- why... do you commit it then? 14:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i read somewhere that the r19003 effect depends on the graphics driver 14:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> older graphics drivers work, while newer ones don't 15:00:11 <Rubidium> planetmaker: because apparantly OS X does not tell (reliably) whether 8bpp is supported or not 15:01:30 <Rubidium> and because the OS X community has definitely shown that they don't really care about a supported OpenTTD 15:02:26 <peter1138> they think "it compiles" is the same as "it is bug free" 15:02:42 <peter1138> (well, bug free may be a big strong :)) 15:04:10 <peter1138> 14:37 <@Rubidium> yay for committing untested patches! 15:04:10 <peter1138> 14:37 <@Rubidium> and/or hacky workarounds 15:04:10 <peter1138> 14:37 <@Rubidium> yay for committing untested patches! 15:04:10 <peter1138> 14:37 <@Rubidium> and/or hacky workarounds 15:04:16 <peter1138> it's just like rigs of rods ;) 15:04:25 <peter1138> also, i have a stupid middle button problem :( 15:05:07 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-72-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 15:06:30 <Rubidium> peter1138: but is that for the officially supported part, or for some unsupported crappy development-wise OS? 15:06:54 <peter1138> hmm? 15:07:06 <peter1138> generally the whole bit with ror, heh 15:07:25 <peter1138> "whole bit" does not compute. never mind. 15:09:36 <Rubidium> although I must say I've committed some *BSD related patches too without actually having tested it on a *BSD system. However, the proposed patches all seemed to be 'in line' with the manpages of the functions we were using. 15:09:49 <planetmaker> <Rubidium> and because the OS X community has definitely shown that they don't really care about a supported OpenTTD <-- honestly... it reads like "Let's see whether I can break it with a couple of patches provided by people who had a look for one or two days at the source and then call them idiots for trying" 15:10:25 <peter1138> planetmaker, no it's "apparently these work, but we can't tell" 15:10:38 <planetmaker> peter1138, exactly 15:11:07 <peter1138> no, that's different to what you wrote 15:11:30 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:11:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then what do you expect from us? Just plainly dropping OS X? 15:12:01 <Rubidium> and I haven't called them idiots 15:12:27 <Rubidium> the really idiotic solutions I've already rejected 15:12:58 <Rubidium> and r19003 shouldn't be needed, but heh... we just work around a bug in the OS X API 15:13:18 <Rubidium> (or Bjarni made a mess of his 'detect 8bpp' code) 15:13:31 <Rubidium> but I can't tell that 15:13:49 <Rubidium> and none of the people who looked at it said so 15:14:17 <Rubidium> and also SDL has similar problems, which might mean that it's a more generic issue than just OpenTTD's issue 15:14:37 <Rubidium> i.e. it tips the 'who-to-blame' scale towards blaming Apple 15:15:15 <Rubidium> (and with Apple I also mean the drivers needed for OS X, even when written by external parties) 15:15:55 * Rubidium wonders whether OS X has some sort of driver sanity test, like Microsoft or Linux has 15:16:27 <Rubidium> in case of MS the driver certification and in case of Linux the (many) reviews before it gets into the kernel 15:16:32 <glx> don't MAC use ATI GPU ? 15:16:42 <planetmaker> glx, not always. 15:17:03 <glx> may explain why it works for some system and not for other :) 15:17:18 <glx> ATI and working driver is a long story 15:19:02 <planetmaker> http://www.apple.com/imac/features.html#displays <-- e.g. current iMacs come with either nVidia or ATI 15:23:58 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-200-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19004 /trunk/src/table/station_land.h: -Codechange: silence ICC warning that 'integer conversion resulted in a change of sign' 15:28:28 <lennard> pfft, silence, not fix? :P 15:28:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the mafia way of silencing? :p 15:30:18 <peter1138> i guess it is a fix 15:30:25 <peter1138> change 1 to 1U 15:33:49 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-115-63.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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Also fixes a couple of 'integer conversion 15:42:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: resulted in truncation' warnings ICC spewed. 15:44:19 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-222-178.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:46 *** woldemar [~world@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 15:48:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-115-63.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:28:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f64cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:40 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:37 <rait_> hmm, shift+f doesn't open rail building window on the first try 16:37:54 <rait_> f7 that is 16:38:59 *** rait_ is now known as rait 16:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> operating system? other programs interfering? 16:41:06 <Rubidium> it doesn't work for me either 16:41:35 <rait> it seems that when you click on the button it doesn't work also 16:41:43 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:42:10 <Rubidium> the default railtype code's broken 16:42:26 <rait> seems so 16:42:54 <rait> after you have opened it once, it works ok 16:43:08 <rait> until you load a new game ... 16:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> smells like peter1138's doing ;) 16:48:49 <peter1138> hmm 16:48:57 <peter1138> well it smelled anyway 16:49:02 <peter1138> i guess i just made it smell more 16:49:42 <rait> works in r18951, doesn't in r18973 16:51:59 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/rail_iissue.diff <- solves the issue, though breaks old settings 16:53:05 <TrueBrain> lennard: done with all the maintainance? :) 16:55:43 <Shapeshifter> how can I get towns to accept goods? 16:55:56 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 16:56:10 <rait> let them grow 16:56:11 <Yexo> certain houses accept goods, so grow the town 16:56:19 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:43 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-72-56.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:59 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 16:57:04 <Shapeshifter> I see, thanks. 16:57:34 * guru3 waves 16:57:40 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:57 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 17:01:48 <lennard> TrueBrain: yup 17:01:55 <lennard> and i think its not crashing, either 17:02:01 <lennard> it used to do that, after maintenance 17:02:10 <TrueBrain> lol :) 17:02:20 <TrueBrain> k, good :) I put it back in the mirror rotation :) 17:03:40 <Shapeshifter> "Any town where the centre square is in the desert requires food and water to grow" 17:03:45 <Shapeshifter> what is meant by "center square"? 17:03:57 <Belugas> where the town name is located 17:04:05 <Belugas> the sign, whatever 17:04:05 <Shapeshifter> okay 17:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> the town center is usually a road 17:06:55 <Yexo> it's always a road unless you (or an AI company) removes the road 17:09:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19006 /trunk/src/ (48 files in 3 dirs): 17:09:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r18970): default rail type determination failed causing 'A'/SHIFT-F4 not 17:09:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: to work the first time. As rail types can now be anything the explicit options 17:09:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: for the different railtypes have been removed, leaving the most used rail type 17:09:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: and first/last available rail types. 17:11:35 <Ammler> if it isn't a road, the town can't build own roads, right? 17:12:03 <Ammler> so this is a possibility to enable/disable it for individual towns... 17:12:15 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@191.149.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:15 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cdb6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:15:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19007 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): -Prepare: 1.0.0-beta4 17:16:05 <planetmaker> ho :-) 17:16:17 <planetmaker> a new test version at the horizon 17:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: what if road layout is 3x3 and the road layouts are synched between cities? 17:16:40 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i was kinda expecting that :p 17:16:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: then the town centers are synced too 17:16:54 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: then the center of the town is at the grid too 17:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> aha 17:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting 17:17:42 <planetmaker> and for towns founded manually? Are they then adjusted to the 3x3 grid? 17:17:48 <Yexo> no 17:18:56 <planetmaker> k, thx :-) 17:21:14 <Shapeshifter> mhhh. so I have a couple of water trucks between a water plant and a city with a water tower, and the trucks drive around and there's loads of water and the service is good, but the trucks don't earn a single penny, and I don't get the subsidy, even though I've been shipping water for months now 17:22:31 <Shapeshifter> http://stuff.moritzg.ch/openttdwater.png 17:23:02 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 17:23:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19008 /tags/1.0.0-beta4/ (6 files in 5 dirs): -Release: 1.0.0-beta4 17:23:44 <Shapeshifter> why don't I earn anything? And I guess I don't get the subsidy because I don't earn anything... 17:23:58 <Yexo> can you upload the savegame? 17:24:37 <Shapeshifter> Yexo: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/weirdwater.sav here you go 17:25:44 <Shapeshifter> mhh, I'll be right back 17:25:58 <Yexo> Shapeshifter: when I load that savegame you already have the subsidy and you get paid as soon as the vehicle has finished unloading 17:27:03 <Rubidium> maybe it's a bug in 1.0.0-beta1 17:27:22 <Rubidium> Shapeshifter: I'd say, wait 30-40 minutes and download+install 1.0.0-beta4 17:27:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:30:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:30:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:8b0c:1:bc77:95a9:24d8:8898] has joined #openttd 17:41:05 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@222.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:41:18 <Terkhen> hello 17:43:17 *** ptr_ [~peter@p23-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 17:45:24 <Shapeshifter> Yexo: huh, odd. okay 17:47:55 *** bartavelle is now known as bartaway 17:55:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9E30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:08 * andythenorth is having fun with this neob thing 18:10:07 <welshdragon> neob? 18:10:22 <welshdragon> he's a cnut 18:10:26 <Terkhen> fun with neob posts? that's new :P 18:10:57 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=853467#p853467 18:11:09 <andythenorth> to be fair, he has been trolled by mb quite extensively 18:14:18 <Ammler> http://cz.binaries.openttd.org/openttd/binaries/releases/1.0.0-beta4/changelog.txt <-- empty? 18:14:28 <Ammler> and without cz. I get a 404 18:14:51 <Rubidium> hmm, the script is still broken? :( 18:15:01 <Ammler> that is from the openttd-download 18:16:02 <Ammler> somehow the target url looks strange with that "openttd/binaries" 18:16:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:54 <Ammler> for the bundles it works 18:18:02 <Rubidium> well, that's the url at the mirror 18:19:14 <Ammler> oh, the changelog _is_ empty? 18:19:30 <Rubidium> yeah, that's a bug in the changelog generation script 18:19:44 <Rubidium> I thought I fixed it last time, but apparantly I didn't 18:21:17 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 18:21:53 <planetmaker> andythenorth: one can not say you didn't try with neob ;-) 18:21:57 <planetmaker> I gave up already 18:22:26 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 18:23:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:34:50 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:37:13 <TrueBrain> Ammler: and paths on different mirrors are different .. so of course removing 'cz' fails 18:37:38 <Ammler> yeah, that I realized... 18:38:29 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f64cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:32 <Rubidium> anyhow, the changelog should be fixed now 18:38:39 <Ammler> your mirror-things seems to work awesome :-) 18:41:02 <Ammler> Feature: Content mirroring support (r18994) <-- so the bananas urls are now fix, we can assume? 18:41:12 <TrueBrain> nope 18:41:38 <TrueBrain> nowhere in the client are any hard http links, except on (which is http://binaries.openttd.org/) 18:41:50 <TrueBrain> not till BaNaNaS is rewritten, I can tell you if they are 'fixed' or not 18:42:28 <Ammler> yeah, but if you change that url, you need a new release, so... 18:42:42 <TrueBrain> nope 18:42:58 <TrueBrain> there is only one fixed address in the client 18:43:00 <TrueBrain> one 18:43:11 <TrueBrain> not generated or what ever 18:43:20 <Rubidium> if we change the url of binaries.openttd.org, then yes we need a new release. If any of the mirrors changes urls nothing whatsoever needs to be done client side 18:43:21 <TrueBrain> we can make the links what ever we like, no change on the client side will ever be required 18:43:29 <Ammler> so the master server does send the url? 18:43:39 <TrueBrain> the master server has nothing to do with this 18:43:55 <TrueBrain> maybe you should ask questions, instead of stating assumptions 18:44:53 <Ammler> ok, question: how do I link to a grf download I uploaded to bananas 18:45:00 <TrueBrain> you do not 18:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19009 /trunk/src/lang/ (turkish.txt unfinished/basque.txt): 18:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: basque - 5 changes by Thadah 18:45:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: turkish - 62 changes by niw3 18:45:23 <TrueBrain> for now there is no valid way to do that, as it has been for the last few weeks 18:47:47 <Ammler> yes, you removed old again... 18:48:00 <TrueBrain> Ammler: not until there are http links on BaNaNaS itself, it is set what the URLs will be 18:48:04 <TrueBrain> 'removed old'? 'again'? 18:49:35 <Ammler> the directory with the old releases is empty now. 18:49:46 <TrueBrain> it always has been (or at least should have been) 18:49:49 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:49:58 <TrueBrain> for a small 12 hours they were synced, but that was removed shortly afterwards 18:50:07 <TrueBrain> (as old BaNaNaS files are not for public download) 18:50:27 <TrueBrain> so I take offense on the word 'again' 18:50:29 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.85.133.189] has joined #openttd 18:50:34 <Ammler> ok :-) 18:50:39 <TrueBrain> that is not okay 18:50:46 <_Ben_> hi 18:50:50 <TrueBrain> howdie _Ben_ 18:50:53 <Ammler> then I hit those 12 hours last time I tried ;-) 18:51:17 <TrueBrain> I still take offense that you say 'again'. Like we remove it all the time, put it back to annoy you, and remove it again 18:51:26 <Ammler> but authors explict allow you to distribute also old releases. 18:51:38 <TrueBrain> I suggest you tune down the way of communication, do a tiny bit less suggestive speaking, and ask a bit more instead of assuming. It makes our jobs much better and easier 18:51:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: it's in the details 18:51:45 <TrueBrain> I suggest you read our ToS 18:52:09 <_Ben_> I'm completly baffled as to logging onto the wiki. I've treid every password, and allowing all cookies. I've then treid merging accounts but it says that neither the openttd.org account exsists (which I am currently logged in with!), and nore does the wiki account. 18:52:11 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I just mean, you could distribute those. 18:52:19 <TrueBrain> @kban Ammler 60 READ OUR TOS 18:52:20 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] by DorpsGek 18:52:20 *** Ammler was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [READ OUR TOS] 18:52:22 <TrueBrain> I hate repeating myself 18:52:39 <TrueBrain> _Ben_: sounds bad :p PM me your account NAMES (no passwords please :p) 18:53:11 <_Ben_> TrueBrain, Ok thanks 18:53:22 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] by DorpsGek 18:54:12 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:14 <TrueBrain> I wonder if Ammler knows how he speaks ... saying what should be done, instead of asking why something is done like it is ... kind of annoying 18:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> he's from switzerland, these people are weird due to centuries of inbreeding... 18:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's almost as bad as people from iceland :p 18:56:10 * __ln__ heard some SchwyzerdÃŒtsch spoken yesterday 19:00:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:01:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's one of the weird effects :p 19:01:54 * jonty-comp wonders if it's a coincidence that he's been to Switzerland and Iceland, and not many other places 19:02:13 <jonty-comp> other than France, but that was only to go to Disneyland, which has no French people in it anyway 19:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> the only thing i have seen of iceland is the airport 19:03:35 <jonty-comp> heh 19:03:47 <jonty-comp> I got stuck in that airport for 16 hours -.- 19:05:57 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C792.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:34 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-54-156.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:11 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 19:14:30 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:43 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 19:16:54 *** thomas001 [~thomas@a147097.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de] has joined #openttd 19:17:47 <thomas001> hi..what is the state of cargo destinations in the current openttd 1.0 beta? 19:18:04 <TrueBrain> not there? :) 19:18:16 <thomas001> hmm :) 19:18:55 <thomas001> will it be there till 1.0 final? ^^ 19:19:12 <thomas001> at least its on the 1.0 roadmap 19:19:22 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:19:42 <Yexo> no 19:20:31 <Yexo> the roadmap wiki page ays very clearly " Major features that could possibly be in 1.0.0 " => "could possible", so not "will definitely" 19:22:20 <thomas001> sure,thats why i ask about its state ;) 19:26:22 <TrueBrain> maybe for 1.1 .. if someone steps up to really finish it / make it stable 19:28:00 <Rubidium> it has been on the roadmap for many versions, so don't get your hopes up 19:29:51 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-089-252.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-206-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:38:04 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-54-156.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:55 <Shapeshifter> So, I keep getting offerings over shipping goods to some city (got around 1000 inhabitants), but if I want to build a lorry station, or click on the main train station (which is quite central), I don't see anything that accepts goods. if I do this, goods will just pile at the stations 19:39:51 <Shapeshifter> will they start accepting goods if I ship them? 19:41:30 <Shapeshifter> also, does it matter how near a station is to something in terms of how much of the total share of goods from that place it gets to be shipped? 19:41:52 <Alberth> open a station build window, select a station and move the station around over the city. If the window says it accepts goods, building at that place will accept goods 19:42:06 <Shapeshifter> I get the feeling that my train station, which is a bit further away, get's very little food from the plant, while some lorry stations nearby are overfilled with food. 19:42:18 <Shapeshifter> Alberth: I did exactly that, but there's no place that accepts goods 19:42:42 <Xaroth> grow the city 19:42:46 <Alberth> in that case, you cannot build a station that will accept goods :) 19:42:52 <Xaroth> make it happy, transport people to it 19:43:02 <Xaroth> it'll grow eventually, at which point you can transport goods to it 19:43:06 <Shapeshifter> yeah but why do I get offerings for subsidies for goods to that place, then? 19:43:34 <Shapeshifter> why would anyone subsidy something they don't need? is this an attempt to simulate real world governments? xD 19:43:39 <Belugas> cuase the system does not know you cannot 19:43:42 <Alberth> about distance: no it does not matter, only rating does 19:43:51 <Belugas> it sends the offering to all who wants to hear 19:43:53 <Shapeshifter> Alberth: okay thanks. 19:44:16 <Shapeshifter> Belugas: well it hasn't got something to do with _me_, but with the place they want the goods to be sent for subsidies 19:44:23 <Shapeshifter> but that place doesn't accept goods. 19:45:21 <Belugas> who knows, by the time you finish your lines, maybe it would? 19:45:35 <Shapeshifter> mh. 19:45:44 <Alberth> especially if you inject some money/buildings into the city 19:46:29 <Alberth> but usually, I don't care much about subsidized transport :) 19:49:21 <Belugas> me neither 19:49:29 <Belugas> if it is granted, it's a bonus 19:49:31 <Belugas> of course 19:49:32 <Belugas> but... 19:49:41 <Belugas> don't run for it at all cost 19:49:50 <Belugas> and... remember... it's a gameuh 19:52:28 <andythenorth> hi hi 19:53:47 * Belugas is thinking of that guy who suggested in forums that small airports should not allow big planes to land, since.. it's not realistic 19:57:10 * Alberth considers adding vertical runways... it's not realistic 19:57:33 <Alberth> hi andythenorth 19:59:03 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:13 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:26 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:59:35 <Shapeshifter> Nah, but this is broken. If I take a big train station to be built, and swipe it over the city, and two adjacent spots "goods" pop up in the list. obviously I can't build a train station directly above the city. But if I take a lorry station, and go to the same place, there's no "goods" to be found 19:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <Shapeshifter> why would anyone subsidy something they don't need? <-- that's entirely the point of subsidies... forcing to open a market where the natural ("free") market does not exist 19:59:48 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:57 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: mh guess you're right. 20:00:17 <Shapeshifter> so I can't shipt the goods using feeders 20:00:23 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:00:32 <Shapeshifter> because no lorry station wants to accept goods :| 20:00:33 <Bluelight> What is a lorry station? 20:00:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you typically need 3 office buildings in a city to accept goods 20:00:57 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: ah. I have them. but they're far apart. 20:01:02 <Shapeshifter> too far for a lorry station 20:01:10 <Eddi|zuHause> then build a bigger station 20:01:14 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:33 <Shapeshifter> I can't build a bigger lorry station 20:01:33 <Bluelight> Where are you playing? 20:01:36 <Shapeshifter> Bluelight: a truck station 20:01:41 <Bluelight> Ohh.. 20:01:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you can join two stations together 20:01:49 <Eddi|zuHause> with ctrl+click 20:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> they will cover all buildings inbetween them 20:02:05 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: ohh 20:02:09 * Shapeshifter tries 20:02:53 <Bluelight> Shapeshifter: where do you play? On what server.. 20:03:25 <Bluelight> I wanna join, lol 20:03:35 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: yay that worked. 20:03:39 <Shapeshifter> Bluelight: I play offline ;) 20:03:47 <Bluelight> Ohh.. lol 20:03:54 <Shapeshifter> I just started the other day 20:04:12 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: I can't join existing stations? 20:04:16 <Bluelight> Cool! Hope you enjoy that game then.. :) 20:04:30 <Bluelight> It's fun on a non-competiotion server.. 20:04:36 <Belugas> [14:57] * Alberth considers adding vertical runways... it's not realistic <-- Highway to Hell !!!! 20:04:45 <Bluelight> competition* 20:05:22 <Bluelight> You don't have to be good to play online and have fun.. 20:06:32 <Shapeshifter> Bluelight: I'm enyoing it ;) 20:07:17 <Bluelight> Well I'm about to play some on Luukland normal servwer I guess.. 20:07:27 <Bluelight> server* 20:07:29 <planetmaker> servers or sewers? :D 20:07:47 <Bluelight> sewers.. lol 20:08:14 <Bluelight> Nice to see you here planetmaker 20:08:21 <planetmaker> same same :-) 20:08:54 <Bluelight> My stove smells burnt garlic butter.. 20:09:17 <planetmaker> if not burnt too much, it'll be delicious :-) 20:10:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: studeren. echt. ECHT!] 20:10:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Shapeshifter: no, only new stations to an existing one 20:11:15 <Eoin> night night 20:13:23 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-21-140.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:50 <Belugas> bye 20:13:51 <Belugas> goen 20:20:10 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@2002:4e33:5bef:1:bc77:95a9:24d8:8898] has joined #openttd 20:25:18 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:8b0c:1:bc77:95a9:24d8:8898] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:18 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:25:49 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 20:26:16 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:41 *** Eoin is now known as eoin 20:33:49 <TrueBrain> I official hate MediaWiki 20:33:51 <TrueBrain> just so you know 20:34:05 <jonty-comp> so, use tikiwiki instead 20:34:26 <TrueBrain> is there a convertor? 20:35:00 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: I think you will be shot dead, very thoroughly dead, if you convert it to tikiwiki 20:35:05 <jonty-comp> n.b. that wasn't an official suggestion, if the openttd wiki changed to tikiwiki I think I might commit suicide 20:35:09 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: cool :) 20:35:18 <aber> noooo, you killed kenny and broke mac compatibility. (Ihr ****eine). 20:35:24 <TrueBrain> 1-0 for aber 20:35:25 <PeterT> TrueBrain: Why do you hate MediaWiki? 20:35:31 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: really? Hmmmmm ........ 20:35:47 <jonty-comp> wait, that wasn't an official statement either 20:35:51 <TrueBrain> PeterT: because it is a piece of crap! Using _ as \s, but not always, and it completely fucks up LDAP authentication 20:36:08 <jonty-comp> I would agree that mediawiki is a mildly annoying piece of crap 20:36:09 <PeterT> LDAP? 20:36:11 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: nah, I like you too much ;) 20:36:18 <Rubidium> aber: *WE* broke Mac compatability? 20:36:20 <PeterT> TikiWiki looks very ugly 20:36:23 <jonty-comp> but on the open-source piece of crap scale, it's quite lot on the list 20:36:27 <jonty-comp> s/low/lot/ 20:36:57 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: yeah .. it is the best of the worst 20:38:05 <jonty-comp> I hear that phrase a lot in software :p 20:38:23 * jonty-comp tries to think of some software that is actually best of the best 20:38:45 <aber> http://pastebin.com/d56e77ded 20:39:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:40:02 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: MSVC, as IDE 20:40:03 <TrueBrain> Zend, as IDE 20:40:09 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD, as game 20:40:42 <jonty-comp> MSVC might fit I suppose 20:40:53 <Rubidium> aber: oh lol... so much for quality of the patches that Mac OS X users provide 20:41:04 <jonty-comp> but the rest of VS doesn't :p 20:41:19 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: completely agree 20:41:24 <TrueBrain> that is why I added: as IDE :) 20:41:49 <jonty-comp> can you do Windows Forms in MSVC? I've never quite wanted to try 20:42:09 <jonty-comp> in fact, I shall do the leet thing and have a look right now 20:42:11 <TrueBrain> I don't have a Windows installation :p 20:42:18 <Rubidium> aber: got no idea how to fix that compile error 20:42:21 <jonty-comp> except I have the 2010 beta, which is probably different 20:42:48 <Rubidium> well, I've got an idea but that entails buying a Mac, which I refuse to do 20:43:14 <jonty-comp> aha, it does do Windows Forms 20:43:18 <jonty-comp> it has gone down in my estimation 20:43:31 <Rubidium> jonty-comp: good luck with MSVC 2010 compiling OpenTTD ;) 20:43:47 <jonty-comp> I use msys for all that anyway! 20:44:08 * Shapeshifter is waiting for beta4 to hit the repo. 20:44:20 <Rubidium> Shapeshifter: what repo? 20:44:29 <Shapeshifter> Rubidium: archlinux ;) they're usually very fast 20:45:09 <Shapeshifter> mh. or I could just install from svn. 20:46:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:46:23 <welshdragon> Shapeshifter: prod Sacro 20:46:29 <welshdragon> he builds for Arch 20:46:33 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-158-160-191.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:54 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:06 <jonty-comp> welshdragon: you do realise that in saying "prod Sacro", you've probably already prodded him yourself 20:47:23 <welshdragon> meh 20:47:32 <Shapeshifter> welshdragon: thanks. I wrote to him in #archlinux on freenode. 20:47:45 <jonty-comp> lol freenode 20:47:47 <welshdragon> Shapeshifter: he's a lazy 'tard 20:47:54 <welshdragon> and needs prodding a few times 20:48:00 <Shapeshifter> mh. but svn is fine I guess. 20:48:01 <welshdragon> (he is also gar IRL) 20:48:06 <welshdragon> *gay 20:49:51 <Shapeshifter> because I really think there's a bug in this version I have here, where everytime a new office building gets built, it switches "no longer accepts goods". 20:50:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:07 <Shapeshifter> driving me nuts. everytime, I have to build a new lorry station and send trucks there 20:50:10 <jonty-comp> welshdragon: how discriminatory 20:50:33 <welshdragon> jonty-comp: 's true though 20:50:38 <Alberth> buildings don't accept/produce cargo when they are being constructed 20:50:50 <welshdragon> did you not see how camp he was at the York meet? 20:50:55 * jonty-comp makes fun of welshdragon being welsh 20:51:02 <jonty-comp> I saw how welsh you were at the meet! 20:51:13 <welshdragon> s' true 20:51:30 <welshdragon> Born_Acorn is more Welsh than me though! 20:51:34 *** thomas001 [~thomas@a147097.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:42 <Shapeshifter> Alberth: no, but everytime one gets built, the existing lorry station which is accepting goods switches goods off 20:51:49 <Shapeshifter> I build a new one, and it's fine again 20:52:59 <Sacro> can someone update the topic 20:53:08 <Sacro> i've been informed that beta4 is out 21:03:18 <rait> would if could ... 21:04:26 <Rubidium> Sacro: I reckon someone can update the topic 21:05:18 <Sacro> Rubidium: do it then :P 21:06:05 <Rubidium> too much effort 21:06:30 <Alberth> the problem is that someone is never here when you need him 21:07:32 <Rubidium> if only DorpsGek could automatically update the topic 21:07:49 <welshdragon> this is why a supybot wins 21:08:08 <Alberth> we still need someone to teach it :p 21:08:36 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, beta4 is already out? I thought you meant packaging beta4 when it got out, but you mean ASAP :-) 21:09:27 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: it could, if you program it :p 21:09:39 <TrueBrain> welshdragon: well, I don't see how it does ... 21:09:50 <Rubidium> blathijs: when I asked/suggested it to you beta4 wasn't released yet 21:09:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19010 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Remove a now unneeded check at CmdBuildRailStation. 21:10:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-123-175.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:11:28 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: the bot is already fragile enough :) 21:11:35 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: very true :) 21:13:01 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.5, 1.0.0-beta4 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, translator: translator, server list: servers, nightly-builds: nightly, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only 21:13:25 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@91.85.133.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:16 <blathijs> Rubidium: Heh :-) 21:15:13 <Shapeshifter> can I copy over the configs from beta3 to beta4 overwriting everything? 21:15:37 <Shapeshifter> (I have both versions installed with different config folders in ~) 21:16:09 <Shapeshifter> nevermind 21:16:21 <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS filenames have changed; although it should not download the same file twice, just know the syntax has changed slightly :) 21:16:23 <Rubidium> blathijs: though I guess doing 0.7.5-2 first before 1.0.0-beta4 (in exp) might be better 21:16:36 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-158-160-191.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 21:17:47 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:18:07 <blathijs> Rubidium: Yeah, I wanna upload 0.7.5-2 this week (I've asked jordi for a review. he's back from vacation) 21:18:10 <blathijs> anyway, I'm off 21:19:04 <Rubidium> ciao 21:19:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f64cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:37 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 21:26:31 <andythenorth> out of interest, who maintains bananas? 21:26:38 <andythenorth> BaNaNaS /s 21:26:44 <TrueBrain> the crowd 21:26:57 <TrueBrain> (it is self maintaining) 21:27:10 <andythenorth> ace, I wish my code was self maintaining :P 21:27:19 <andythenorth> who maintains the code for BaNaNaS? 21:27:33 <TrueBrain> it is in SVN :) 21:28:10 * andythenorth sigh 21:28:23 <TrueBrain> and seen by the commit log, it is mostly me or Rubidium who touches the code 21:28:40 <andythenorth> now I actually have to use the mouse and go look somewhere in the repo I have checked out :o 21:29:16 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 21:29:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth: with a 'usual' openttd checkout you don't checkout the webpage 21:29:41 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:42 <andythenorth> I did something unusual....unintentionally mind 21:32:10 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:33:00 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:33:14 <andythenorth> hmmm....django's kind of pleasantly self-explanatory 21:36:32 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: I'm guessing there's a sql query for number of downloads of a BaNaNaS item? I can't find it in the repo? 21:36:50 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: we use Django 21:36:55 <TrueBrain> we don't do queries 21:36:56 <TrueBrain> it does it for us 21:37:16 <TrueBrain> bananas/models.py shows a field in File object called 'downloads 21:37:17 <Noldo> in Django queries do you 21:37:26 <TrueBrain> this contains the amount of downloads 21:37:34 <TrueBrain> mind you: increasing of the value is NOT done by the website 21:37:34 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 21:37:38 <TrueBrain> it is inserted via various of other ways 21:37:47 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:14 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: thanks. (I'm used to Zope, which has a python object database). I sort of assume everyone else is writing crazy sql :o I guess I'm wrong :) 21:39:28 <TrueBrain> Django is nice :) 21:39:32 <TrueBrain> takes out the hard work completely :) 21:40:08 <aber> Who lost the "src/video/cocoa/macos.h" file? 21:41:22 <frosch123> it was inappropiate for apple; it did not start with an "i" 21:41:29 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [] 21:42:09 *** ChoHag [~mking@109-170-148-202.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:13 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: I have read the source of views.py, but am unsure....when 'updating' a grf, does BaNaNaS overwrite the old one, or keep multiple versions? 21:44:51 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:45:13 <Rubidium> andythenorth: it keeps multiple versions, only the last will be shown in-game (by default), unless you know the 'id' and md5 checksum and request it by that 21:45:47 <andythenorth> so the number of downloads for each version could in theory be calculated / shown? 21:45:55 <TrueBrain> it shows per version :) 21:45:58 <TrueBrain> upload a new, counter is at 0 :p 21:46:03 <TrueBrain> either way, sorry, got to go .. going out :) 21:46:05 <TrueBrain> bye!! :) 21:46:14 <Noldo> have fun 21:46:37 <andythenorth> bye 21:47:27 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:48:03 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 21:48:54 * andythenorth wonders how to test a potential patch to BaNaNaS? (scratches head) 21:49:03 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-64-222-232-11.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:48 <Rubidium> andythenorth: ask very nicely whether we want to patch the test environment? 21:50:22 <andythenorth> ok, so I should figure out the patch first :) 21:50:29 <aber> so, in "src/video/cocoa/fullscreen.mm" is a "#include "macos.h"", but there is no macos.h. 21:50:40 <andythenorth> I just want to see download counts for all versions of a grf, shouldn't be too hard? 21:50:57 <andythenorth> this would show in http://bananas.openttd.org/en/manager/ 21:51:44 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:52:30 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:54:06 <Yexo> aber: r19003, part of the commit message is "I can/have not test(ed) (including compiling) this fix.", so that proves true 21:55:25 <Bluelight> It's weird, but sometimes I just can't get to play on Luuklands servers.. I lose connection all the time for long periods of time.. 21:56:03 <aber> Can someone revert that "fix"? I don't know it calls some function inside some nonexistent file? 21:56:23 <Rubidium> aber: better come with a fix for the fix 21:56:27 <Yexo> aber: can you change the line to #include "../../os/macosx/macos.h" 21:56:41 <Yexo> see if that works 21:56:57 <aber> like "return false" 22:03:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB4F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:04:46 <aber> if i would like to put the mac binary on my homepage, what else do i have to display? Source? Link? 22:05:26 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I've got a patched file for bananas (changes one html file)...what should I do? Learn to diff? 22:07:07 <Rubidium> andythenorth: try svn diff 22:08:31 <planetmaker> aber: only publish what you get by using 'make bundle_dmg' 22:08:47 <planetmaker> (or make bundle) 22:08:52 <planetmaker> Then you have all required files 22:09:28 <Rubidium> though technically he has to 'release' the source too, especially because it's modified from what we released 22:09:30 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:53 <andythenorth> Rubidium: got a diff, what should I do with it next? :) 22:10:43 <Rubidium> upload it somewhere so TrueBrain or I can take a look at it 22:12:20 <Yexo> aber: did changeing the include to #include "../../os/macosx/macos.h" help or what else did you change? 22:12:43 *** mib_g2n8un [58934833@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:12:45 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:48 <aber> One minute, i'm compiling. I did a revert. And at the moment i'm trying to change the include path... 22:14:16 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:24 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19011 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp: -Update: AI changelog 22:14:28 <andythenorth> Rubidium: posted in the development forum 22:15:08 *** PeterT_ [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:24 <Shapeshifter> trains go into depots even if they're full of people, right? 22:15:38 <Shapeshifter> you just lose a little bit of rating because it takes a while 22:16:02 *** PeterT is now known as Guest798 22:16:02 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT 22:16:14 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-200-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:16:22 <planetmaker> right... r19903 broke it. Yexo : yes, that's it: http://paste.openttd.org/221226 22:17:17 <planetmaker> at least it compiles then for me. 22:17:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19012 /trunk/src/video/cocoa/fullscreen.mm: -Fix (r19003): macos.h is not in video/cocoa/ but in os/macosx/. 22:18:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f64cb.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:05 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:14 <planetmaker> thx, Yexo :-) 22:19:21 <planetmaker> and have you all a good night 22:19:26 <Yexo> good night planetmaker 22:19:32 <Yexo> and thanks for testing it :) 22:19:35 <aber> i compiled that one too. 22:19:51 *** Guest798 is now known as PeterT 22:19:56 <planetmaker> I need a version with rail types anyway :-) 22:20:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19013 /extra/website/bananas/templates/bananas/manager.html: [Website] -Change: show number of downloads of each version in the manager's view (andythenorth) 22:20:48 <planetmaker> :-O Nice, andythenorth ! 22:20:53 <Yexo> nice andythenorth :) 22:21:10 <PeterT> andythenorth: Cool feature! You actually patched that? 22:21:32 <Yexo> PeterT: yes, see the dev forum 22:21:43 <PeterT> wow, just posted? 22:21:56 <PeterT> nice job andythenorth! 22:22:02 <andythenorth> PeterT: hold your horse, it's three <td> tags :P 22:23:06 <andythenorth> and um...I write html and python all day some days 22:23:52 <PeterT> so this change, it's in effect immediately/ 22:23:54 <PeterT> *? 22:24:05 * andythenorth wonders if django can execute code in html tags (like zope can)? A total would be useful... 22:24:13 <Yexo> PeterT: yes 22:25:12 <blathijs> andythenorth: You can use template tags to do nifty stuff 22:25:43 <blathijs> andythenorth: http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/templates/builtins/ 22:25:59 <andythenorth> thanks 22:26:42 <Rubidium> would be be at 7 million bananas downloads within 10 days? 22:27:04 <Prof_Frink> Ooook. 22:27:18 <andythenorth> oook indeed 22:27:32 <andythenorth> Prof_Frink: ever passed over blind yeo? 22:29:14 <blathijs> andythenorth: Not sure if there is a tag to do what you want, though 22:30:14 <andythenorth> I want to create a summary total of downloads for all versions of a given asset 22:30:52 <andythenorth> I don't know if it's best done in the view 'manager', or in the template? 22:31:13 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/221227 22:31:34 <Rubidium> hmm, no don't think we'll be at 7 million bananas downloads in 10 days; recent averages seem to be dropping below 30k a day, so we're probably not going to make it 22:31:34 <andythenorth> I would think add it to the view, then render it in the template 22:31:56 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 22:32:01 <andythenorth> too much code in html templates is frowned upon in my day job :| 22:32:33 <blathijs> andythenorth: I don't think django supports real code at all in the templates, so :-) 22:33:39 <andythenorth> hey ho, the counts in this page are probably rendered in the template 22:33:39 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/economies 22:33:43 <peter1138> hm 22:34:02 <andythenorth> yup 22:34:03 <andythenorth> Industries (<span tal:replace="python:len(economies[economy_repeat]['industries'])"/>): 22:37:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:29 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:05 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:38:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:58 <blathijs> andythenorth: That doesn't look like django? Also, a count and a sum are different things :-) 22:39:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:26 <andythenorth> that's not django, that's Zope, with TAL templating. TAL is available in Django I think, but is optional 22:39:35 <andythenorth> or so google leads me to believe 22:39:42 <andythenorth> Rubidium: http://paste.openttd.org/221230 22:40:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:05 <andythenorth> lines 7 and 9 - I think that will provide me with a total that I can render in html? 22:40:39 <andythenorth> line 10 sorry 22:41:17 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:36 <Rubidium> yeah, possibly... but because that's code stuff I rather have that TB takes a look at it when you're done with the rest 22:42:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:59 <andythenorth> ok, I'll post a diff when I'm done. the html for that should be simple 22:47:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:10 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:03 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 23:02:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9E30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:01 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@191.149.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 23:18:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19014 /trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Add: [NoAI] AIOrder::[G|S]etStopLocation to get/set the stop location of trains in a rail station 23:20:42 *** rait [~rait@82.131.124.74.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:35 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.220.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 23:22:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:22:50 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:23:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B51.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:18 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:27:26 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 23:29:20 <PeterT> hey zachanima! 23:29:29 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:35 <zachanima> PeterT, oh, hello 23:29:43 <zachanima> long time since I have uttered a word in here 23:30:53 <PeterT> zachanima: I merged CargoDist and IS 23:31:06 <zachanima> very nice 23:31:15 <zachanima> and it works as intended? 23:31:55 <PeterT> the graphs, not really 23:31:55 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:32:04 <PeterT> they don't show cargo delivered to shared stations 23:34:55 <Rubidium> cargodist and is working as intended? Not without some, quite big, changes to both patches so it (optionally) routes cargo via multiple companies 23:35:23 *** roboboy [7248d527@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:40:23 <ccfreak2k> fatInitDefault() ? init = 1 : init = 0; 23:40:28 <ccfreak2k> Is this syntactically correct? 23:40:35 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:53 <SmatZ> yes 23:41:01 <Rubidium> for what? 23:41:05 <ccfreak2k> For C. 23:42:06 <Rubidium> yeah, though I'd write it differently 23:47:03 <Shapeshifter> mh. this odd stuff is still happening. the city, now at 1700 people, will randomly stop accepting goods. 23:47:13 <Shapeshifter> a few months later it starts accepting them again 23:47:52 <Rubidium> then it's rebuilding a building that accepted goods bringing it under the threshold for accepting goods 23:48:35 <Shapeshifter> mh. problem is then the goods start piling up and when they accept goods again at a station, the goods that are already there sit around. 23:48:48 <Shapeshifter> and I have to drive in circles picking up the goods and dropping them again 23:49:02 <Rubidium> then don't force unload 23:54:56 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:58:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]