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00:02:47 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:5ce2:d3a2:1:24d4:eaa:669:12fb] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:04:11 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 00:04:23 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 00:04:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-174-68.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:16:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:23:33 *** mib_4tlbyr [589340c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:24:27 <PeterT> Wow, NekoMaster is very annoying 00:24:39 <PeterT> he made his own topic for his Windows/Linux builds 00:24:53 <PeterT> and then he uploads a patch created by ME and didn't give any credit 00:25:08 <PeterT> I mean, if you're going to be lazy, at least credit the person doing all the work 00:27:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:06 <Ammler> hmm, is tt-forums Eddi Eddi|zuHause? 00:32:47 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@121.148.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:32:52 <Ammler> yes, he is. :-) 00:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77FAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7449F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:41 <PeterT> yes 00:39:12 <sparr> there is a high frequency whine in the steam engine sound effects. can anyone verify that? 00:45:48 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-207-45.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 01:09:12 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:20 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-231-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 01:11:30 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:55 <peter1138> sparr, in which sound set? 01:18:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB947.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: how many years have you been here now? 01:31:40 <Ammler> sorry Eddi|zuHause :-) 01:32:01 <Ammler> but a nice patch :-) 01:33:55 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 01:35:53 <sparr> peter1138: opensfx. can GRFs have sounds? 01:36:08 <SpComb^> why is Eddi|zuHause not Eddi? 01:36:16 <Ammler> no, but sample.cat can 01:36:25 <sparr> ok, then opensfx 01:36:42 <sparr> i think :( 01:36:45 <Ammler> SpComb^: weil er zu Hause ist ;-) 01:36:49 <sparr> i'm pretty sure i'm using opensfx 01:37:00 <sparr> and the whining is definitely only present with the steam puff sounds 01:37:04 <sparr> acceleration and constant motion 01:37:38 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: the name "Eddi" is frequently taken on IRC networks, hence the addition... 01:37:54 <glx> sparr: opensfx is a sample.cat replacement 01:38:08 <glx> maybe you are using UKRS too 01:38:25 <Eddi|zuHause> of course GRFs can have sounds, too 01:38:56 <thomas001> Eddi|zuHause, but you are the eddi which seems to be in every 2nd irc channel i visit ;) 01:39:05 <Ammler> he, indeed, sorry... 01:39:25 <sparr> ok, well, the sound problem i have is with the GRF set currently in use on Jonty's IS 2.1.1 server 01:39:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm only in like 5 channels... 01:39:40 <sparr> I'd be happy to try to narrow down the source of the sound if I knew how 01:40:23 <Eddi|zuHause> UKRS is the only set i know that contains sounds, but maybe that has changed 01:41:51 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:42:14 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.209.107] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 01:42:55 <Ammler> sparr: start a game without, create streams 01:43:02 <Ammler> without newgrfs 01:43:10 <Ammler> then load ukrs and check stream 01:44:03 <sparr> ok will do, later. will return with more info. 01:46:10 *** mib_oa3wic [47e9d340@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:46:59 *** mib_oa3wic [47e9d340@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:51:02 <Bluelight> Good night.. 01:55:03 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:56:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7449F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7449F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:56:40 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 02:07:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:19 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:30 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:15 <PeterT> Night 02:23:29 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 02:24:54 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:51 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DA24E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... 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07:53:58 <ccfreak2k> Yeah I'm doing that, but there's also png-config and whatever in $PORTLIBS/bin. 07:54:14 <ccfreak2k> And the base_rules makefile sets up the paths, so I'll need to import that. 07:58:29 <ccfreak2k> What I'll do is set Makefile.src.in to assume the presence of libz and whatever else, since they're all available in this setup. 08:04:52 <ccfreak2k> I bumped the OpenTTD Wii thread with some relevant information. 08:11:53 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-141-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:11:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:20:03 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:20:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.181.120] has joined #openttd 08:26:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.182.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:43 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 08:38:01 *** Goulp [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 08:38:12 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:36 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:47 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:19:10 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 09:21:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:25:41 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 09:27:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 09:27:30 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 09:38:46 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:39:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E960.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:36 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:05 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 09:41:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@121.148.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:50 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-226-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:03 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f50ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d821909.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:11:00 <kd5pbo> So, I just wrote an IRC wrapper. 10:11:09 <kd5pbo> Where would be the appropriate place to post it? 10:11:28 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:57 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:06 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBE27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:38 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:15 <Ammler> tt-forums 10:13:26 <Ammler> kd5pbo: ^ 10:13:36 <kd5pbo> Thanks. 10:13:38 <Ammler> what is it based on? 10:13:44 <kd5pbo> Python/irclib. 10:14:15 <kd5pbo> I just put it together tonight, though. 10:14:22 <kd5pbo> Probably could use some testing. 10:14:37 <kd5pbo> Any reason not to put it on google code? 10:15:47 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 10:18:59 <andythenorth> morning 10:22:06 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:31 <Ammler> kd5pbo: I am looking forward to checkout ;-) 10:22:44 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 10:23:55 <Ammler> morning andythenorth :-) 10:24:33 * andythenorth wonders where newgrf properties for industry tiles are in src (searching) 10:24:41 <kd5pbo> Ammler: I'm documenting at the moment. 10:25:03 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what about newgrf_industrytiles.cpp 10:27:02 * andythenorth that would be the obvious place to look....I need more tea clearly 10:28:41 <kd5pbo> Ammler: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/826901/pyottdirc.tar.bz2 until I get it up. 10:32:46 <kd5pbo> Anybody have any experience with svn vs mercurial? 10:32:51 <kd5pbo> I've only used svn in the past. 10:35:43 <Ammler> python script? python vcs :-) 10:35:56 <andythenorth> kd5pbo: the difference is mostly sociological 10:36:09 <kd5pbo> andythenorth: What do you mean? 10:36:21 <andythenorth> svn is better for large collaboration projects as it encourages more frequent small commits that can be peer reviewed by other developer 10:36:24 <andythenorth> s 10:36:35 <Ammler> andythenorth: not svn <-> hg 10:36:57 <Ammler> ah ok 10:36:59 <frosch123> [11:26] * andythenorth wonders where newgrf properties for industry tiles are in src (searching) <- newgrf.cpp 10:37:08 <frosch123> ChangeInfoWhatever 10:37:34 <kd5pbo> Ammler: What's vcs? 10:37:44 <kd5pbo> Too many licenses to choose from. 10:38:07 <kd5pbo> I need one that's four lines long and says something like "If you make any money off of this, I get a cut." 10:38:13 <andythenorth> frosch123: win, thanks 10:40:13 <andythenorth> frosch123: http://paste.openttd.org/221275 10:41:09 <andythenorth> kd5pbo: ummm.....just use the GPL and don't worry about it? 10:41:24 <kd5pbo> Yeah, but then I'd have to go and read through it all. 10:42:23 <frosch123> andythenorth: rename it to special_flags, introduce an enum for the existing value and post that to flyspray :) 10:43:00 <frosch123> then add your own item to the enum 10:43:31 <Ammler> kd5pbo: don't think google hosts a "nc" license 10:43:42 <kd5pbo> NC license? 10:43:46 <Ammler> no commercial 10:43:48 <kd5pbo> Oh. 10:43:52 <kd5pbo> Seems not. 10:43:59 <kd5pbo> I'll go with MIT and add a clause. 10:44:06 <andythenorth> frosch123: rename which part to special_flags? animation_special_flags? 10:44:10 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:13 <Ammler> kd5pbo: use gpl 10:44:20 <kd5pbo> Too late. 10:44:42 <frosch123> uint16 callback_res = GetIndustryTileCallback(CBID_INDTILE_ANIM_NEXT_FRAME, HasBit(itspec->animation_special_flags, 0) ? Random() : 0, 0, gfx, ind, tile); <- there is currently only one place using it. and that one uses "0" instead of an enum 10:44:50 <kd5pbo> I doubt there'll be anybody wanting to steal something I put together in five hours, anyways. 10:45:36 <Ammler> if you need to aks, which license to take, writing your own license is a bad idea. 10:46:14 <Rubidium> writing your own license is a bad idea in almost all cases, if not all cases 10:48:05 <kd5pbo> I switched to GPL. 10:49:59 <andythenorth> :) 10:52:11 <ccfreak2k> Just make it public domain. 10:52:12 <ccfreak2k> Who cares. 10:52:45 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:53:04 <andythenorth> public domain is bollocks, it doesn't ensure code is reusable....but it's an old argument. search the forums....you'll find about 5 threads of the same argument :o 10:55:20 <kd5pbo> Well, it works so far, anyways. 10:56:24 <kd5pbo> I'll put it in the forums as soon as I have a wiki and a better description and such. 10:56:35 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 10:57:02 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 10:57:10 <kd5pbo> Nite_Owl: Hi. 10:57:32 <Nite_Owl> Hello kd5pbo 11:01:06 *** Qanael [~qanael@190.10.60.176] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 11:02:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c6ae.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:59 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:26 <andythenorth> frosch123: I got a nice fs number :) http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3600 11:09:43 <frosch123> oh, too bad, it is dividable by 400. 11:10:07 <frosch123> usually we reject every fourth, except every 100th, but every 400th again 11:10:36 <andythenorth> ha 11:11:00 <andythenorth> all I did was change the variable name and a comment, I can't figure the rest out yet, so I'm going one step at a time 11:18:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d821909.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:18:48 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-bef7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:29:38 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:29:47 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 11:29:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 11:35:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 11:37:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's a leap bug :p 11:44:45 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:53:39 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:19 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-bef7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:55:46 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:55:48 *** mirQus [mirq@rere.qmqm.pl] has joined #openttd 11:56:51 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:57:05 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r19052 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove the _smallmap_draw_procs array. 11:59:35 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 12:01:34 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.209.107] has joined #openttd 12:03:30 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:04:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r19053 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add an enum for the special flags of industry tiles. (based on andythenorth' work) 12:07:56 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:51 <andythenorth> frosch123: ^^ thanks. Think I can see how to extend that. Have to do chores first though :\ 12:15:22 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:15:23 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #openttd 12:16:52 *** mib_3jai7h [58934220@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:17:14 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB7BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:32:34 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #openttd 12:41:11 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:48:14 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:01:48 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@c-4f6649c7-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:57 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 13:16:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:4d7a:472f:d507:d6d3] has joined #openttd 13:16:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:59 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:22 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 13:33:49 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:42:10 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 13:51:43 *** _Dusin [~mirek@p549F5F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:18 <_Dusin> hey to all.. can any1 help me with makeing own server for multi game ? pls 13:52:56 <SirSquidness> hey _Dusin 13:53:00 <SirSquidness> what OS are you running? 13:53:14 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:21 <_Dusin> win 7 , and friend has XP 13:55:16 <SirSquidness> http://wiki.openttd.org/Server 13:55:36 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:47 <_Dusin> thx 13:55:48 <SirSquidness> If you want to run a dedicated server, it's a litlte more involved - http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_server 13:55:52 <_Dusin> i will try it 13:56:00 <SirSquidness> But for just playing with a friend, the first link is best 13:56:12 <_Dusin> i dont know what is it :) 13:56:22 <_Dusin> ok.. i will try the first link :) 13:56:39 <SirSquidness> The first link will run what's called a "Listen Server" - you play the game and host a server at the same time 13:57:05 <SirSquidness> The second link is for a "Dedicated server", where the server is seperate from the game 13:59:34 <_Dusin> i made it.. but my friend cant see my game 13:59:56 <SirSquidness> Are you trying to play over LAN or over the internet? 14:00:22 <_Dusin> internet 14:00:41 <SirSquidness> You will need to forward some ports from your modem/router to play 14:01:17 <SirSquidness> http://www.portforward.com/ 14:01:23 <SirSquidness> Find the model of your modem or router there 14:02:07 <SirSquidness> You need to forward port 3979 (both TCP and UDP ) to yourPC's local IP address (the portforward.com site explains how to do all of this) 14:04:01 <_Dusin> ok thx 14:04:08 <ccfreak2k> Do the doxygen html files for openttd 0.7.6 happen to be hosted anywhere? 14:04:29 <Rubidium> nope 14:05:02 <PeterT> Does 0.7.6 exist? 14:05:14 <ccfreak2k> I guessed at whatever version have. 14:05:48 <ccfreak2k> It appears to be 0.7.5. 14:06:55 *** _Dusin [~mirek@p549F5F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 14:10:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 14:10:40 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:10:45 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 14:10:52 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 14:17:41 <Ammler> ccfreak2k: bundle *-doc* 14:19:48 <ccfreak2k> What. 14:20:50 <PeterT> Does it violate licscene if the bundle only has COPYING, openttd.exe, and lang files? 14:22:09 <Ammler> why distribute a "half" package? 14:22:18 <PeterT> Not me, Goulp 14:22:34 <PeterT> yet again, they are being dicks about bandwidth 14:22:38 <Muxy> And Goulp is old enough to ask the question 14:23:11 <PeterT> and the package doesn't work, either 14:24:34 <Ammler> if you add the exe and the lang files, the package isn't really smaller. 14:24:53 <PeterT> i know, the rest of the things really don't take up that much space 14:25:13 <PeterT> with all my cargodist builds, fully bundled, the rar is ~3MB 14:25:25 <PeterT> that is with 'best' compression and a solid archeive 14:28:47 <ccfreak2k> How about 7zip? 14:29:02 <PeterT> not everyone has that 14:29:08 <PeterT> well, and 7zip sucks 14:29:20 <PeterT> good compression, gui is bulky and unneccesarry 14:29:41 * SpComb^ usually just uses the context menu for 7zip 14:30:10 <ccfreak2k> WinRAR can extract 7zip anyway. 14:30:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:19 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:36:48 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:00 <Noldo> what has GUI to do with archive format? 14:48:45 <Rubidium> but... why use rar if the problem with 7zip is that not everyone has 7zip, not everyone has rar either 14:49:15 <PeterT> Yes, but Rar>7zip 14:49:57 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:22 <Rubidium> yes, rars are bigger than 7z 14:50:47 <Rubidium> and for what it's worth, I don't have rar 14:51:37 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 14:52:27 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:38 <PeterT> Rubidium: Aren't you on Linux? 14:53:26 <Rubidium> what does the OS have to do with the archiver? 14:53:32 <Shapeshifter> So I don't understand this. Everything is running smoothly, all my services are very good and stuff. But here's a fruit plantage which doesn't want to grow. Service is very good to a food processing plant, but the production constantly dropped and is now at 0. For some time, I made the service even excellent, using superfast and many trains, but the production never went above 16 even after years of unlucrative excellent transport 14:53:39 <jonty-comp> I have Windows, and I don't have rar! 14:53:51 <Shapeshifter> Also, how can I fund new fruit plantages or maize farms? 14:54:48 <Rubidium> Shapeshifter: a N% chance of increase and a M% chance of decrease still mean there is a chance there will only be decreases 14:55:12 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@191.80-202-24.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:14 <Rubidium> actually, with perfect servicing a industry can die and with no servicing an industry can reach the highest production raters 14:55:15 <Shapeshifter> Rubidium: so this was down to bad luck? 14:55:43 <Rubidium> Shapeshifter: yes 14:56:00 <Shapeshifter> also, that doesn't make too much sense :| Anyway, happy with that. But how can I possibly make a new farm? 14:56:09 <Shapeshifter> I only seem to be able to fund factories and such. 14:56:50 <Rubidium> then change the setting that only allows building secondary industries 14:57:10 <Shapeshifter> is that a difficulty setting? 14:57:10 <Rubidium> don't know exactly what it's called 14:57:27 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:57:43 <Shapeshifter> nevermind, found it 14:58:25 <Shapeshifter> I mean, at some point if there's only one farm and one food processing plant, there would be no food left for things to grow. Would I normally just need to wait until a new fruit plantage pops up by chance? 14:59:14 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:59:34 <Shapeshifter> what does "prospecting" mean, for the "funding of primary industries" option? 15:00:34 <Eoin> it randomly builds one 15:00:36 <Eoin> you cant chose where 15:01:54 <Shapeshifter> I see. thanks 15:03:13 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:13 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1143 15:03:14 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 15:10:42 *** Guest1143 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:33 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:12:48 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@187.103.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:56 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 15:19:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@121.148.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:00 <PeterT> Rubidium: Sorry to bug you, but I was very close to a solution, but never found one 15:25:08 <PeterT> Rubidium: Can you look at this please? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=47096 15:25:23 <Alberth> Eoin: Shapeshifter: it may or may not build one (ie the 'ground survey' may indicate there is no supply). 15:36:08 <Shapeshifter> Alberth: okay 15:39:49 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-bef7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:40:03 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@52.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:00 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@191.80-202-24.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:04 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@187.103.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:03 <Shapeshifter> So I want to upgrade some rails from rail to monorail. I've sent all trains that usually drive on these tracks to their depots. But if I use the tool it says "Can't convert railway type here, no suitable railway track 15:48:15 <Shapeshifter> I read the wiki on upgrading rails and it doesn't say anything else. 15:49:07 <[Jako]> you have to sell the trains 15:49:19 <[Jako]> then convert and buy new trains 15:50:29 <Shapeshifter> [Jako]: that's only about the depots I think. Also, I just did that, and it doesn't change anything. 15:50:37 <SpComb^> upgrading from rail to monorail in-place is silly anyways :( 15:51:23 <Shapeshifter> SpComb^: what do you mean "in-place"? I just tried making a new rail somewhere on an empty tile, and then upgrade it. 15:51:27 <Shapeshifter> doesn't work. 15:51:37 <Shapeshifter> am I missing something? Can I build monorail right away? 15:52:06 <SpComb^> dunno, I don't think I've ever built any monorail track in OpenTTD 15:52:43 <Shapeshifter> ahh 15:53:01 <Shapeshifter> longclick on the rail button shows a menu, need to click on monorail there 15:53:37 <SpComb^> oh yes, it's an "upgrade track to..." button :) 15:53:52 <Shapeshifter> yep ^^ from there it works 15:58:22 <Alberth> yep, you have to select the rail-type you want to upgrade to first 16:01:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 16:02:49 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 16:04:00 <[Jako]> and you cant convert or upgrade trains so you have to sell them first 16:04:16 <PeterT> not without a patch, you can't 16:04:27 <[Jako]> there is a patch for it? 16:04:34 <PeterT> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=36710 16:04:50 <PeterT> more specifically > http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=853680#p853680 16:07:24 <[Jako]> thanks, bookmarked 16:07:29 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-bef7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:01 <[Jako]> do you know will this work with the new beta? 16:13:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E960.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:54 <PeterT> yes, it can 16:14:58 <PeterT> at [Jako] 16:16:09 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:33 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:19:13 *** heffer [~felix@37-50-191-193.dhcp4.fosdem.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-182-21.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:27:42 *** Priski [~Prsk@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-fea1f900-80.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:38:00 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:44:53 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:49:54 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-bef7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 16:59:39 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:35 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 17:03:52 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 17:09:00 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@79.102.6.26] has joined #openttd 17:22:34 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBE27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 17:23:18 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:26 <PeterT> glx you there? 17:27:48 <PeterT> what are those long strings of code that you put on flyspray bugs? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3598 17:28:27 <Muxy> stack 17:28:37 <Muxy> stack back trace 17:31:08 <PeterT> Oh 17:31:25 <PeterT> did you get that from crash.dmp? 17:31:47 <Muxy> and you forget to mention what command you sent to the server 17:34:45 <glx> Muxy: we know that from the dmp :) 17:35:19 <Muxy> glx: dmp is nice, then 17:35:23 <glx> he did "rcon kban himself" 17:35:49 <PeterT> yes :-) 17:35:53 <PeterT> I remember that 17:36:11 <PeterT> but "himself" isn't a client-id 17:36:13 <glx> and the server tried to send him back the console output 17:36:18 <PeterT> and "kban" isn't a cmomand either 17:36:23 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-220-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:38 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-131-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:14 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 17:50:41 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:56 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:26 <andythenorth> frosch123: I'm not sure what's appropriate in terms of number of changes a diff contains? 17:57:10 <andythenorth> If I add a flag, then new code to use the flag, seems like two diffs to me...but they are dependent on each other, so could be one. 17:57:34 <frosch123> sounds like one diff for me :) 17:57:45 <andythenorth> I'd better write the second half then 18:01:28 <Fast2> Hello 18:06:46 <andythenorth> hi 18:08:23 * andythenorth compiles and crosses fingers :o 18:08:59 * andythenorth broke the compile :( 18:09:13 * PeterT broke andythenorth 18:09:33 <andythenorth> ummm a bizarre comment from PeterT 18:09:41 <PeterT> Aren't they all? 18:10:14 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/221279 18:10:39 <andythenorth> I modified line 4. itspec is currently out of scope, I'm not surprised, but I don't know how / where to declare it 18:10:55 <andythenorth> I'm 'hacking by copy, paste, modify' 18:11:24 <frosch123> "svn diff" would be easier :) 18:11:50 <frosch123> anyway, the HasBit is too much 18:12:02 <andythenorth> really? 18:12:16 <andythenorth> oh 18:12:18 <PeterT> What are you trying to do now andythenorth? 18:12:48 <andythenorth> frosch123: I can post a diff to flyspray... 18:13:33 <frosch123> i meant instead of "i modified line 3" 18:13:51 <andythenorth> ok 18:14:21 <frosch123> i do know the code good enough to do the diff myself :p 18:14:25 <frosch123> *not 18:14:53 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/221281 18:15:29 <andythenorth> the idea for HasBit was lifted from code that uses the industry cb mask 18:15:43 <frosch123> well, either HasBit or & 18:15:58 <frosch123> the formet for bit numbers, the latter for bit masks 18:16:09 <andythenorth> ok, bad copy and paste 18:17:06 <andythenorth> ummm...action 0 flags are usually bit mask, correct? 18:18:50 <frosch123> he, you can always test bits by either bit number of bit mask. HasBit(x, 4) is just the same as (x & 0x10) in boolean context 18:19:18 <frosch123> resp. look up the declaration of HasBit :I) 18:19:18 <andythenorth> but trying to do both is dumb, right? 18:20:08 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/221282 18:20:50 *** egladil [~egladil@s83-191-244-232.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:02 <andythenorth> I still have itspec out of scope....would this help with that: 18:21:08 <andythenorth> const IndustryTileSpec *itspec = GetIndustryTileSpec(cur_gfx); 18:22:58 <frosch123> i guess it->gfx 18:23:17 <frosch123> and i need more cola tankers :/ 18:23:50 <andythenorth> either you're playing toyland, or my questions make you thirsty? Slightly strange either way :D 18:24:44 <frosch123> since ogfx toyland is no longer strange, but the climate with most detailed animated industries 18:25:26 <andythenorth> oh my, that reminds me how much animation I have to add to FIRS :o 18:25:37 <andythenorth> so much to do....I'd better learn C++ faster 18:26:43 <PeterT> andythenorth: The programmer of many hats.⢠18:27:12 <andythenorth> meh. pixels, nfo, website, and now bloody C++ 18:27:36 * andythenorth compiles and crosses fingers 18:27:37 <PeterT> I would count HTML and Java seperately 18:27:51 * PeterT broked andy's compile! 18:28:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19054 /trunk/src/network/core/tcp_game.cpp: -Fix [FS#3598]: when banning yourself via rcon do not send the 'command response' to the client as the connection has already been terminated 18:28:30 <PeterT> hahahahah 18:28:41 <PeterT> Thanks Rubidium 18:28:55 * andythenorth omg compile worked 18:29:01 <peter1138> as you do 18:29:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB7BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:56 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr_] 18:32:24 * andythenorth is gleeful 18:32:46 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:46 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1182 18:32:46 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:34:41 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:41 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1184 18:34:41 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:36:27 <andythenorth> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3602 18:36:53 <andythenorth> ^^ not divisible by 400 far as I can see. Not if you want an int as the result anyway. 18:37:08 <Rubidium> @calc 3602 / 400 18:37:08 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 9.005 18:37:19 <Rubidium> sorry, DorpsGek says it can divide it by 400 18:37:53 * andythenorth has been coding for 15 years, but clearly has misunderstood what an int is 18:37:57 <peter1138> is it a leap bug then? 18:38:21 *** Guest1182 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:47 * andythenorth is strangely pleased by looking at a bunch of industries with tiles horribly missing 18:41:04 *** Guest1184 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19055 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: basque - 8 changes by Thadah 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: danish - 22 changes by beruic 18:45:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: esperanto - 15 changes by Ailanto 18:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by alyr 18:45:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 15 changes by PouncingAnt 18:45:56 <Bluelight> I can do Norwegian.. 18:46:04 <Bluelight> Found some errors in there.. 18:47:03 <Bluelight> Ohh.. Web? Never mind.. 18:54:06 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-173.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:59 <andythenorth> frosch123: I've looked for clues to how tile 0xFF can be signed....can't see how this is done, but will keep looking. 19:01:50 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 19:06:22 * andythenorth thinks negative offsets for tile 0xFF are handled as a special case in newgrf.cpp 19:06:22 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 19:06:40 <frosch123> around newgrf.cpp::2333 19:07:23 <frosch123> otoh, i am not sure why it is unsigned by default as values > 16 would also cause trouble afaik 19:10:39 <Shapeshifter> So I didn't care about a small town near two bigger ones and now I can't build a new trainstation because they don't like me at all. I tried rebuilding forrests and campaigns, and there's one bus station already standing from the beginning of the game I am now again servicing with "very good" rating. I would supply them food, but I can't build any lorry stations either 19:10:47 <Shapeshifter> how do I make them happy? 19:11:35 <Zuu> Do you have any stations in that town? 19:11:42 <Zuu> Serve them well 19:11:45 <Shapeshifter> just this one bus station I am now servicing with "very good" 19:11:50 <Zuu> Apart from that, just wait. 19:12:00 <Shapeshifter> okay 19:12:00 <Shapeshifter> thanks 19:12:13 <Zuu> Don't destroy any trees :-) 19:13:44 <kd5pbo> Shapeshifter: Bribe them. 19:15:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB7BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:16:09 <Zuu> IIRC you have a chance/risk of 1/30 of getting caught when briding. 19:16:21 <Zuu> bribing* 19:16:40 <kd5pbo> Shapeshifter: Bribe them less than 30 times. 19:18:09 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:29 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:08 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:31 <andythenorth> frosch123: I really am just guessing...but: http://paste.openttd.org/221284 19:25:29 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c6ae.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:08 <Shapeshifter> allright ^^ 19:26:29 <frosch123> no idea either :) i am even not sure whether the industrytile properties are already available at that point 19:27:46 <andythenorth> hmmm....good point 19:28:11 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:28:30 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:49 <Shapeshifter> But, I'd also like to build them a water tower but it says "cant build this industry type here, can only build in towns" 19:29:01 <Shapeshifter> butr I'm placing it like 4 blocks away from the town name, as close as possible 19:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you must build it on top of a house 19:31:16 * andythenorth assumes that IndustryTileOverrideManager must be worth looking at 19:35:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:40:41 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dc81.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:38 *** heffer [~felix@82.113.106.202] has joined #openttd 19:42:18 *** lllugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dc81.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 19:43:07 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:08 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1194 19:43:08 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:47:34 *** Guest1194 [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:52 <PeterT> Is SmatZ here? 19:48:03 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4a4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:08 * andythenorth is way way out of his depth 19:51:55 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aos148.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 19:52:00 <PeterT> SmatZ: Do you have a copy of the diff for logging DoCommands? Is that log only available for a server running on Autopilot/ap+? 20:01:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E960.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:06 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:08 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:09:10 <PeterT> Restart in linux... 20:09:24 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 20:11:24 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:45 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:11 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:56 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: oh okay thanks 20:16:21 *** heffer [~felix@82.113.106.202] has quit [Quit: heffer] 20:16:55 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-220-243.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:19:37 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 20:23:05 *** jbeseitigen [~jsch88@27WAAADTZ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:11 <jbeseitigen> hallo 20:23:19 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:04 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 20:24:18 <jbeseitigen> ich bin ein Problem 20:24:32 <SmatZ> ja, du bist 20:24:59 *** jbeseitigen [~jsch88@27WAAADTZ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. Mail support@oftc.net if you have any questions. (2010-02-07 20:24:59)] 20:25:24 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:26:24 <SmatZ> hello PeterT, http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/private/bb/ 20:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: how right he was :p 20:26:42 <SmatZ> hehe 20:26:47 <PeterT> thanks SmatZ 20:27:03 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:04 <PeterT> so it logs the DoCommands in console, or via autopilot? 20:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> autopilot does _nothing_ else than read the console... 20:28:56 <PeterT> thanks 20:29:18 <Ammler> (and write) 20:39:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: my guess is that indsutrytile properties are *not* available when layouts are copied 20:39:36 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/poop.png 20:39:38 <andythenorth> :| 20:43:13 <frosch123> well, i guess the offsets should always be interpreted signed in newgrf.cpp, however later they should be validated for correct range 20:46:00 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:46:00 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1201 20:46:00 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:46:16 * andythenorth wishes he'd studied computer science instead of politics & philosophy. 20:47:24 <andythenorth> frosch123, practically, what would I need to change in newgrf.cpp to deal with signed ints? Currently a tile with signed ints *is* treated as invalid (or at least, the layout isn't built in game) 20:49:09 <Shapeshifter> I can't find a way to see an overview of how all my stations are performing. I've got quite many of them and it's starting to be a bother to click on everyone and then on "rating". same for how many goods are being stored. 20:51:10 <frosch123> you could try moving the int8 case further to the top 20:51:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Shapeshifter: there's a button for station list in the main toolbar 20:51:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Shapeshifter: there you can sort on performance, afaik 20:51:50 <frosch123> but why do you want to study computer science? are you the only one in class who can install windows? 20:52:23 *** Guest1201 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:25 <Shapeshifter> Eddi|zuHause: okay thanks 20:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i think andythenorth is a little old to have a "class" ;) 20:52:39 <andythenorth> frosch123 I might not be playing catchup conceptually if I'd done a degree in this stuff. 20:52:47 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: at least 10 years too old 20:52:55 <andythenorth> never too old to learn though :o 20:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... when was it removed that you can right-click to get rid of error messages? 20:55:32 <frosch123> you still can 20:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> why doesn't it work then? 20:56:07 <frosch123> or do you mean the "annoy the stupid user"-fatal error messages which have no timeout, are not closed by right-click, and maybe not even by "del" 20:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: the message "newgrf was disabled because it's fucked up" 20:57:11 <frosch123> likely that is one of those do-not-let-the-stupid-user-click-them-away-in-a-hurry-messages 20:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause> why does each vehicle have its own tick counter? 20:58:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and why is this codepath only run every 5 ticks? 20:59:10 <frosch123> isn't it incremented when the vehicle is moving? i.e. depending on vehicle speed? 21:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i have two code paths where trains with red signal are handled, one is around train_cmd.cpp:3390-ish "/* In front of a red signal */" in TrainController() and one around 4000-ish "/* Handle stuck trains. */" in TrainLocoHandler() 21:01:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the latter one is touched every tick, the former only every 5 ticks, and i don't see why... 21:02:34 <andythenorth> I have no idea if this is good, but it appears to permit setting negative offsets on tiles 21:02:35 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/221287 21:02:46 <andythenorth> industry destruction doesn't appear to crap out either 21:03:45 *** Tennel [~Tennel@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> the vehicle tick counter is increased in Train::Tick() 21:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause> that is also where TrainLocoHandler is called 21:05:40 <Eddi|zuHause> TrainController seems to be dependent on speed 21:06:54 * andythenorth wonders where else I might need to handle industrytile signed offsets? 21:06:59 <andythenorth> probable when placing a tile 21:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> try it and look where it crashes :) 21:10:20 <andythenorth> well so far it didn't crash ;) 21:11:04 * andythenorth thinks of ways to crash it 21:13:56 <andythenorth> nah it's all fine, lets ship it :) 21:15:25 *** Milo [~Milo@173-25-95-6.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:44 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-72-99.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:47 *** Milo [~Milo@173-25-95-6.client.mchsi.com] has left #openttd [] 21:19:57 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-bef7e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:23 <Alberth> andythenorth: what is the type of 'itt[k].ti.x' ? 21:20:45 <Alberth> (and the '.y' as well, it seems) 21:20:58 * andythenorth is embrassed by having no idea 21:21:10 <Alberth> int8, int16, uint8 ? 21:21:19 <Alberth> something else? 21:22:28 <andythenorth> itt[k].ti.x comes from reading a byte... 21:23:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:23:25 <andythenorth> Alberth: doing this appears to allow signed offsets to work fine: 21:23:26 <andythenorth> itt[k].ti.x = (int8)GB(itt[k].ti.x, 0, 8); 21:23:26 <andythenorth> itt[k].ti.y = (int8)GB(itt[k].ti.y, 0, 8); 21:23:45 <andythenorth> I can't find a way to make it fail. Industry builds, industry can be destroyed, tiles appear to be cleaned up 21:24:11 * andythenorth admits that he's better at drawing than code :) 21:24:23 <Alberth> yes, but it looks weird. there has to be a better way to express that :p 21:24:43 <andythenorth> it's copy and paste from the lines below :) 21:25:05 * andythenorth is happy to learn... 21:25:26 <Alberth> hmm, our code is that weird, apparently :) 21:26:13 <Alberth> I'd write itt[k].ti.x = (int8)(itt[k].ti.x & 0xFF); 21:26:30 <andythenorth> I'll try that 21:26:34 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aos148.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:26:53 <Alberth> I'll test whether that actually works :) 21:27:24 <andythenorth> I can tell you in a minute.... 21:28:06 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 21:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> why would "&0xFF" be better than GB(.,0,8)? 21:28:38 <andythenorth> Alberth: it works. I have industrytiles getting built with negative offsets 21:29:30 <Alberth> it works here too :) 21:29:31 <andythenorth> so...which is the better style :P 21:30:36 <andythenorth> Alberth: your version looks to me like it's anding with 0xFF, I would have *no idea* what the other one is doing 21:30:45 <Alberth> I guess the current code, since it is already used. However, you never know for sure with OpenTTD source code, too many people have been enhancing it. 21:31:04 <andythenorth> well I'll post a diff with the current code then 21:32:15 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:33:00 <Alberth> http://paste.openttd.org/221289 GB does the same 21:33:42 <Alberth> line 32 of file src/core/bitmath_func.hpp 21:35:12 <andythenorth> Rubidium: you explained yesterday why industry tiles can't have signed offsets....but it doesn't actually seem to cause a problem. Where should I look in the code to understand more? 21:36:28 <Rubidium> andythenorth: if you add -1,-1 then OpenTTD will tell, later on that what you described as 0,0 is 1,1 21:37:10 <andythenorth> ok, I think I can see why my test newgrf wouldn't show that problem 21:37:17 <andythenorth> I'll test some more 21:37:21 <andythenorth> thanks 21:37:57 <Rubidium> e.g. var60 and var61 of industries 21:38:55 <frosch123> andythenorth: did you try removing an industry with tiles with negative positions? 21:38:59 <andythenorth> yes 21:39:01 <andythenorth> it works 21:39:30 <Rubidium> frosch123: that works since I use TileArea for industries, i.e. it probably doesn't in 0.7.5 21:39:30 <andythenorth> but the industry I'm using won't show errors with var 60 or 61, I need to do some more work to test that :) 21:39:33 <dih> PeterT, next time you have a question and are looking for either Osai or me, just ask your question...¬! 21:39:43 <PeterT> OK 21:39:49 <dih> it's annoying to just see lines like "are you here?" 21:40:00 <Rubidium> dih: next time just ignore him till he actually asks the question 21:40:04 <dih> ask - and we can get back to you with an answer rather than... i am now :-P 21:40:07 <Rubidium> (or just generally ignore him) 21:40:11 <PeterT> sorry, I would've stayed, but I had switched OSs 21:40:19 <dih> Rubidium, i like being helpful :-P 21:40:30 <dih> sometimes :-P 21:41:07 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@71.151.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:41:16 <Rubidium> dih: but what if someone doesn't want to learn to fish? Should I catch for him? 21:41:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: YES 21:41:38 <TrueBrain> I am hungry, can you hurry too? 21:41:49 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you're welcome here :) 21:41:57 <Rubidium> I'll make some meatballs for you 21:42:14 <TrueBrain> k .. I will be there in 3 hours 21:42:16 <TrueBrain> well .. maybe 12 21:42:18 <TrueBrain> not sure 21:42:42 <jonty-comp> you can learn to fish using a Wii 21:42:45 <jonty-comp> it's quite easy! 21:43:09 <Shapeshifter> uhm. for some reason I can't build any old-fashioned rail type-of engines anymore... 21:43:31 <Shapeshifter> is this just because its 2015? 21:43:40 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you can still make it, if you can be within 17 minutes at Leiden CS or 14 at Leiden Lammenschans 21:43:40 <Shapeshifter> they're just gone from the menu 21:44:06 <Rubidium> then only you have to walk a hell of a lot cause the busses ain't going anymore 21:44:25 <TrueBrain> hmm .. lets not do that 21:44:26 <andythenorth> Rubidium yup, negative offsets break var 60 / 61 21:44:26 <TrueBrain> :p 21:44:41 <TrueBrain> 14 min to Lammerschans is easy doable 21:44:45 <TrueBrain> just the walking .. not so much fun 21:44:45 * andythenorth stares sadly at some badly screwed up industries :P 21:45:12 <Rubidium> toldya :) 21:45:22 <andythenorth> so the answer must be "don't build a tile if offsets are negative" 21:45:44 * andythenorth wonders how to check that 21:45:48 <Rubidium> yeah, it's bad (tm) 21:46:53 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@52.81.119-80.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:47:54 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:47:59 <andythenorth> ha, this offset problem could be fixed in the TTDP wiki: "do not use negative industry tile offsets unless prop 12 bit 1is set" 21:48:06 <andythenorth> problem solved, no? 21:48:52 *** kd5pbo is now known as eliza 21:48:55 *** eliza is now known as Eliza 21:49:00 *** Eliza is now known as kd5pbo 21:49:30 <Shapeshifter> does anyone know why I can't build any diesel trains anymore? 21:50:06 <andythenorth> Rubidium I have a solution ^^ :D 21:51:48 <dih> Rubidium, perhaps someone thought "fishing" means, standing at the edge of the river and yelling "Here, Fishy fish fish!" 21:55:09 * andythenorth finds dih's comment strangely hypnotic 21:55:16 <andythenorth> mmmm.....fish 21:55:35 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:08 *** pod [~pod@client-81-98-20-65.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:16 <Shapeshifter> http://stuff.moritzg.ch/openttdnotrain.png aaaany clues? :| 21:56:24 <pod> anyone here compile under MinGW? 21:58:46 <dih> Shapeshifter, google, search the forums, search the wiki 21:58:52 <frosch123> Shapeshifter: choose a different railtype, (maybe there are electric engines, or other), or enable "never expire engines" and type "resetengines" afterwards in the console 21:59:13 <frosch123> [22:42] <dih> sometimes :-P <- :) 21:59:30 <andythenorth> so how do I check ti.x is not negative? 21:59:43 <dih> frosch123, if you read up - you'll notice we were also talking about "teaching how to fish" 21:59:51 <frosch123> andythenorth: is question is "where to check" :) 22:00:10 <andythenorth> frosch123: what's the easiest way to explain? paste or line number in a file? 22:02:06 <Terkhen> good night 22:02:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@71.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:02:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: the problem is, that both industry layouts and your tile property 12 are processed during "activation stage". that is you can only use property 12 during the spritelayout reading if setting it appears earlier in the grf. which is stupid as requirement 22:03:04 <andythenorth> frosch123: I think I'm close to a solution, I just need to check offsets when the tile is acutally built 22:03:07 <andythenorth> actually /s 22:03:07 <frosch123> so instead you have to always allow negative offsets in IndustriesChangeInfo, but later check the validity of layouts 22:03:33 <frosch123> well, what do you want to do during building? just skip the tile? 22:03:37 <andythenorth> yup 22:03:40 <andythenorth> I'll paste... 22:03:45 <frosch123> without error message? 22:04:02 *** aber1 [~Adium@p5B327348.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:04:04 <Eddi|zuHause> how about, check this condition at the end of the activation phase? 22:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and disable the grf if it fails? 22:04:19 <frosch123> and showing error messages during world generation is likely "very troublesome" due to multithreading 22:04:30 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttd.org/221292 22:04:38 * andythenorth hasn't thought about error messages 22:04:54 <frosch123> so, as eddi just said, you might check the industry layouts in something like AfterLoadGRFs() 22:05:14 <frosch123> but you cannot disable grfs there anymore, but you can still disable the single broken industries 22:05:41 <frosch123> andythenorth: >= might be more useful :p 22:05:56 <andythenorth> oops :) 22:06:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:07:21 <Shapeshifter> frosch123: okay thanks 22:07:27 <frosch123> anyway, i think you have to move lines 20-22 before the loop 22:07:38 <frosch123> err, before the if 22:08:12 <andythenorth> I'm not really sure what those do... 22:08:35 <frosch123> they handle overriding old industry tiles 22:09:05 <andythenorth> line 3 in the paste would then be redundant? 22:09:24 <frosch123> though overriding an old industry tile with a do-not-build-tile is weird :p 22:09:42 <frosch123> hehe, yes, line 3 is redundant then 22:09:50 <andythenorth> I'll test that 22:11:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-105-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:13:28 <andythenorth> frosch123: yup moving those lines appears to work. I'm not exactly sure of how to test if that broke anything 22:15:02 <frosch123> good luck :) 22:15:04 <frosch123> night 22:15:08 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f50ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:45 * Eddi|zuHause hands frosch123 the title "Blitzquitter vom Dienst" 22:16:53 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:17:14 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 22:18:12 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:05 * andythenorth compiles and crosses fingers 22:19:38 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r19056 /trunk/ (14 files in 3 dirs): -Add: [NewGRF] Action 3/2/1 (i.e. new graphics) support for rail types. (To be documented...) 22:23:26 <andythenorth> tiles with negative offsets now aren't built :D 22:23:50 *** Fauxdem is now known as FauxFaux 22:25:02 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:26:59 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:31:21 <andythenorth> enough. good night :) 22:32:06 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 22:32:07 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 22:32:10 <Eddi|zuHause> good news: emails should soon cost 20 cent shipping 22:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> (in a monopolised state provider) 22:33:11 <kd5pbo> Eddi|zuHause: Should cut down on spam. 22:34:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFB7BF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... tonight is superbowl... 22:35:41 <PeterT> yes 22:35:42 <PeterT> it is 22:35:43 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:35:45 <PeterT> what fun 22:35:49 <Rubidium> you mean crappy TV in the US tonight? 22:36:00 <kd5pbo> The commercials are typically funny. 22:36:11 <PeterT> Rubidium: Have you ever seen football? 22:36:25 <PeterT> american football 22:36:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yes, except for one episode after the superbowl 22:37:02 <Rubidium> episode of what? 22:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> don't know 22:37:08 *** pod [~pod@client-81-98-20-65.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but tradittionally they push one show 22:37:22 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 22:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> by specially programming it right after the superbowl 22:39:26 <Rubidium> so probably something totally useless 22:40:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i wouldn't get my hopes up either ;) 22:49:43 *** mib_3jai7h [58934220@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 22:58:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E960.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:36 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:33 *** Kharza| [~thartika@hytti.uku.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:01:46 *** Kharza [~thartika@hytti.uku.fi] has joined #openttd 23:04:29 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-226-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:10:32 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:07 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:15:13 *** Alpraaz [Jonis@c-55f970d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 23:15:47 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-55f970d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:01 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 23:21:08 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-71-233-211-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> gr... i totally hate when people ask the exact same thing as question that i explained only one line before... 23:29:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: what do you totally hate? 23:29:44 <PeterT> where is this, forum or irc? 23:30:09 <Bluelight> I know that feeling.. 23:30:17 <Bluelight> My mother does that all the time.. 23:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, more like "so do you hate people that ask the same thing you just said?" 23:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> or: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=854190#p854190 23:31:40 <Bluelight> Good night all.. :) 23:32:14 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@216.80-203-77.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 23:34:18 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 23:39:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has left #openttd [] 23:46:46 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:03 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@191.80-202-24.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd