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00:00:46 <planetmaker> :-O 00:01:08 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-205-169.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:57 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:02:07 <planetmaker> Rubidium: any idea how the cache causes the desync? 00:02:31 <planetmaker> I understand _what_ the commit says, but I don't understand why it fails 00:03:36 <Rubidium> not really :( 00:05:35 <planetmaker> :-( 00:05:59 <planetmaker> let's hope that I didn't just have luck right now 00:06:12 <planetmaker> after all people still play on our unpatched server 00:07:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19143 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: trunk's going for 1.1 now. 00:09:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19144 /branches/1.0/src/train_cmd.cpp: [1.0] -Fix [FS#3569]: under certain circumstances one could crash a competitor's train 00:13:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> why fix that only for 1.0 and not for 1.1? 00:18:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ED9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:42 <planetmaker> you want something to do also in the future ;-) 00:23:36 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: 1.1 will have better solution 00:26:17 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-199-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 00:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B07.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:12 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c72f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:36:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-252-111.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.191.28] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:33 <SpComb^> the FS# links are broken in trac 00:57:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:57:57 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:00 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 00:58:26 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-205-169.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:10:46 *** pw-- [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 01:13:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 01:17:13 *** p-w [~w00f@96.243.199.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:50 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-81-36.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:19:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.92.171] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 01:21:57 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 01:22:22 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 01:22:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA085.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:32 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 01:29:22 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:18 *** ezracooper [~ezracoope@pool-74-104-40-70.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:49:13 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@137.94.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 01:51:25 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 01:56:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:57 <ezracooper> Is it possible to use road vehicles with ECS cargo? If so, what NewGRF do I need? 02:12:01 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-81-36.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:30 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:21 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 02:34:27 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:39 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 02:39:43 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:55 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 02:44:59 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:11 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 02:50:28 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 02:53:19 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has 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planetmaker [~pm@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 07:41:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 07:43:22 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@6.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:43:45 <Terkhen> good morning 07:44:21 *** Exs [~Miranda@193.179.209.52] has joined #openttd 08:07:23 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:08:33 <gr00vy> hi everybody 08:08:55 <gr00vy> is there any easy way to do a conversion of electrified rail to maglev 08:09:02 <gr00vy> including trains and depots? 08:12:37 <Noldo> no 08:28:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:28:54 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:02 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab14d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:37 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:47:43 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest157 08:47:43 *** Guest157 [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 09:03:02 <kd5pbo> gr00vy: Use the upgrade tool. 09:09:06 <SirSquidness> kd5pbo: that will only upgrade the track/stations 09:09:12 <SirSquidness> that wont auto-upgrade vehicles 09:09:20 <SirSquidness> or depots with vehicles in them 09:09:30 <kd5pbo> Oh, vehicles. 09:09:31 <kd5pbo> Yeah. 09:09:49 <kd5pbo> Though, it will upgrade empty depots. 09:09:59 <kd5pbo> My trick is to collect as many trains as I can into one depot. 09:10:07 <SirSquidness> yes 09:10:19 <SirSquidness> and then manually clone them in to the depot next to the one they'rei n 09:12:13 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-199-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:13 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:19:19 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:23 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b72.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 09:32:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B754E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:22 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 09:47:58 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 09:50:26 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [] 10:40:01 <TrueBrain> stupid winter olympics blabla swapswap ... no BigBang on TV :( 10:42:36 <Noldo> the show with sheldon, penny and the other guy? 10:43:31 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:44:00 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:46 <TrueBrain> yes, which else? 10:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "The Theorists" ;) 10:49:20 <Eddi|zuHause> (in case you haven't heard, in Belarus they made a show with remarkable similarity to TBBT (similar names, similar intro, similar stories), but did not pay for a license) 10:50:32 <Noldo> they are showing a russian version of the Nanny named Fran here 10:51:25 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 10:51:31 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e5b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:27 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [] 10:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's fairly common that successful shows from other markets are altered for a localised adaption. but that usually involves buying the appropriate licenses 10:53:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9B89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause> although it's more common in germany to just buy the show itself and translate it into german 10:55:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there are only a few adaptions that i know... for example "the office" was adapted as "Stromberg"... adaptions are usually from non-american tv markets 10:55:59 <Uresu> Didn't the Germans remake "The Office", call it "Das Job" (or somethign) and pretend it wasn't a clonoe of The Office? 10:56:23 <Uresu> And ended up admitting it when Gervais & Merchant came a-calling. 10:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Uresu: do you have a source for that story? 10:57:51 <Uresu> I remember then saying it on one of the recent Office documentaries on BBC called "A Night At the Office" (I think) 10:58:44 <Uresu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromberg_%28TV_series%29 10:58:49 <Uresu> There you go, 1st para 11:02:19 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause> " I can't go into details but yes there was an agreement reached and we are very happy with it. I must say I was very surprised when I saw the new unauthorised version. It's not like the Germans to just march in and take something that isn't theirs." <-- haha :p 11:03:56 <Uresu> Hahaha 11:04:29 <Uresu> You know, no Englishman (seriously) thinks that. 11:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> we germans do (occasionally) understand irony ;) 11:07:09 <Uresu> ;) 11:10:17 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:13:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "Weitere autorisierte Adaptionen der britischen Serie entstanden in den USA (The Office), Frankreich (Le Bureau), Quebec (La Job), Russland, Chile und Israel." 11:14:34 <Uresu> They are *very* rich 11:14:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.92.171] has joined #openttd 11:15:21 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:34 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:18:13 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:43 <__ln__> http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html 11:20:55 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:03 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:23:36 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [] 11:26:56 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:26:59 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 11:30:26 <fonsinchen> So Stallman is encouraging the use of DeCSS which is not clearly free software, tststs ... 11:32:57 <fonsinchen> he could change that for libdvdcss, though. And then there'd be no reason for him to not use it either. Stallman is sort of crazy. 11:33:51 <kd5pbo> nicoleisthebestgirlfriend 11:34:02 <Noldo> ok 11:34:03 <kd5pbo> Well, that's rather embarrassing. 11:34:09 <kd5pbo> Time to change my password. 11:34:28 <Noldo> you have the same all over don't you? 11:34:28 <__ln__> broke up? 11:34:31 <Noldo> :D 11:34:41 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@62.82.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:13 <kd5pbo> Noldo: Nah. 11:35:22 <kd5pbo> __ln__: Nah, thought my screensaver would ask for it. 11:35:32 <kd5pbo> I should have switched on my monitor first. 11:35:39 <planetmaker> lol 11:35:49 <SmatZ> :D 11:36:10 <kd5pbo> There's some sort of bug in gscreensaver or whatever it is I have installed. 11:37:10 <kd5pbo> Every so often I wondered if a password like that would be broken less quickly than a bunch of random numbers and letters and symbols. 11:37:25 <Uresu> It would 11:37:48 <kd5pbo> Uresu: Why? 11:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> alone for the length, that's a really unlikely-to-be-broken password... 11:37:54 <kd5pbo> That's why I use it. 11:38:00 <kd5pbo> Easy to remember and really long. 11:38:02 <kd5pbo> used* 11:38:29 <Uresu> Typically a dictionary attack would be tried first and all the words in your password are "dictionary" words (from a password cracking perspective anyway) 11:38:44 <Uresu> Wait: More quickly. 11:38:47 <Uresu> oops ;) 11:38:56 <kd5pbo> Uresu: Yeah, but it'd require the concatenation of five words. 11:39:07 <kd5pbo> Well, three plus is and the. 11:39:46 <kd5pbo> At what point do you give up on a dictionary attack and start with random characters? 11:39:48 <SmatZ> you can type it backwards :) 11:39:50 <Uresu> It's a good question, my gut says it would still be cracked quicker, but it would be an interesting project for a uni student. 11:39:54 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:39:58 <kd5pbo> Yeah. 11:40:04 <kd5pbo> Too bad I'm done. 11:40:07 <kd5pbo> Nah. 11:40:08 <SmatZ> like, dneirflrigtsebehtsielocin 11:40:10 <kd5pbo> Thank God I'm done. 11:40:17 <SmatZ> you're welcome 11:40:17 <kd5pbo> SmatZ: Then I have to remember that. 11:40:24 <SmatZ> you get used to that :) 11:40:31 <SmatZ> hello Yexo 11:40:34 <kd5pbo> Or, I change passwords all together. 11:40:37 <Yexo> hello SmatZ 11:41:18 <roboboy> hello 11:41:30 <SmatZ> hello roboboy 11:41:34 <KenjiE20> SmatZ has a secret weapon for that :) 11:41:52 <KenjiE20> or was that spike? 11:42:04 <KenjiE20> whatever 11:42:06 <SmatZ> I don't remember having any weapons 11:42:17 <kd5pbo> KenjiE20: For what? 11:42:21 <KenjiE20> then what's that you just hid? 11:42:43 <KenjiE20> kd5pbo: try www.keepass.info 11:42:43 <SmatZ> :) 11:44:34 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 11:44:34 <kd5pbo> Lol. 11:44:39 <kd5pbo> I just remember them all. 11:45:09 <kd5pbo> Why does only one menu item have a tooltip? 11:48:07 *** snorre [~snorre@c832BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 11:50:50 *** kd5pbo is now known as kd5pbo|Zzz 11:52:32 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b72.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53:03 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b72.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 11:58:42 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:45 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:23 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:01:46 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:02:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.92.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:14:13 <roboboy> what time GMT are nightlies built? 12:14:40 <gr00vy> thx @ SirSquidness and kd5pbo|Zzz 12:15:25 <TrueBrain> roboboy: 20:00 CE(S)T 12:15:44 <TrueBrain> in 6 hours and 45 minutes 12:15:59 <Rubidium> roboboy: TZ="CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0/3" 20:00 12:16:47 <roboboy> so 7 am AEST 12:17:00 <TrueBrain> if you say so 12:17:16 <roboboy> thanx 12:17:57 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever it is, it's in 7 hours 12:23:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C7E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> how the hell did that guy get a "160MB image" when compiling openttd? 12:26:18 <Rubidium> where? who? 12:26:26 <Noldo> mac thread 12:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=855372#p855372 12:27:34 <Rubidium> fat library, uncompressed, debug build 12:27:47 <Rubidium> s/fat library/universal binary/ 12:28:20 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-201-36-232.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:28:29 <Rubidium> one debug binary is 52 MiB for me, universal adds 3 giving 156 MiB 12:28:35 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@6.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 12:29:24 <Timmaexx> Hello, 12:29:26 <Timmaexx> I have a suggestion! Would it be possible to add opntitle.dat to bananas? 12:29:28 <Timmaexx> So you can choose multiple backgrounds? 12:29:38 <Rubidium> then add 6 MB for languages and title game, et voila 162 MiB 12:29:52 <Rubidium> would be possible, rather do not do it 12:30:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:42 <Rubidium> cause you quickly end with: which of the 30 to take? 12:31:21 <Rubidium> and: here's mine, with AIs and NewGRFs 12:31:23 <roboboy> OpenTTD should be able to load the original TTD title.dat but it can not 12:31:23 <Timmaexx> wELL I DONT HAVE TO DOWNLOAD THEM ALL... 12:31:33 <Rubidium> and: here's mine, it's 8 MiB 12:31:35 <Timmaexx> oops sorry capslock 12:32:02 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.131] has joined #openttd 12:32:41 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: it might be necessary to convert the game first, as the file extension is relevant to the way the game is loaded 12:32:58 <Rubidium> roboboy: technically it probably can, but as Eddi said... the extension is relevant 12:33:50 <Rubidium> Timmaexx: it's not what YOU do, but what the unknowing does... like trying to load all 100+ NewGRFs into a single game 12:33:58 <Rubidium> or uploading cargodist savegames 12:34:05 <roboboy> I know that as TTD's title.dat is just a sv0 renamed to .dat 12:34:59 <Rubidium> roboboy: with .sv0 it assumes it a TTD savegame, with .dat/.sav it assumes it's an OpenTTD savegame 12:35:31 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-201-36-232.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20100106054534]] 12:35:44 <Rubidium> now given that someone 'borked' the savegame format long ago, it's not that easy to detect TTD vs old OTTD savegames 12:35:54 <roboboy> and Assumes is the key word 12:36:43 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:37:44 <Rubidium> well, show me an ingenious way that assures that it won't misdetect and I'll look at it 12:38:08 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 12:41:28 <Rubidium> and... in the beginning of OpenTTD savegames there was no "header", so missing the header doesn't mean it's a TTD savegame 12:44:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a93b:fef2:c37b:f52] has joined #openttd 12:44:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:46:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 13:17:09 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.131] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:20 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.131] has joined #openttd 13:24:04 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@w236-87-28-81.dynamic.aerea.nl] has joined #openttd 13:38:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm82.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:42:13 <roboboy> are there any major differences in compiling OpenTTD unders MSVC++2008 Professional than Express 13:43:32 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:43:49 <Eddi|zuHause> there shouldn't be... but with microsoft, you never know... 13:45:17 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:19 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 13:51:29 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:23 <glx> Pro supports 64bit out of the box 14:02:57 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 14:03:32 <glx> (express supports 64bit too, but it requires user intervention to set it up) 14:05:19 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:47 <Belugas> hello 14:08:59 <roboboy> Does the OpenTTD project have config details for 64bit builds? 14:10:33 *** murr4y [~murray@11.84-49-64.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:10:42 <glx> projects are ready for 32 and 64 14:10:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:07 <roboboy> ok 14:11:32 <glx> express needs http://jenshuebel.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/visual-c-2008-express-edition-and-64-bit-targets/ 14:17:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:00 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:26:30 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.61.187] has joined #openttd 14:26:49 <nicfer> hello. 14:29:10 <nicfer> I have a multiple ottd setup under windows xp and want to know if there's a way to share the grf files between them, having each one an own cfg file 14:29:47 <Ammler> nicfer: RTFM 14:29:55 <glx> put grfs in mydocs/openttd/data, and a config in each ottd dir 14:30:57 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e5b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 14:31:59 <Ammler> was there ever a FR to be able to have a generic cfg, which then can be overruled by a kind of local cfg? 14:33:15 <Eddi|zuHause> what's an "FR"? 14:33:23 <Ammler> feature request 14:35:48 <nicfer> (to glx) I can't do that because the cfg file in each installation makes the game for ignore mydoc 14:35:49 *** Ruudjah [rtimon@w236-87-28-81.dynamic.aerea.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:35:52 <nicfer> mydocs* 14:36:10 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b72.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 14:36:32 <glx> only for cfg 14:36:41 <glx> it still searches for grf there 14:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but it will download online content into the individual data dirs... 14:42:25 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:44:12 *** lobstah is now known as lobster 14:45:13 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:16 <Rubidium> roboboy: where's the source for the binary you posted on the forum? It's definitely not a stock version if desyncs are disabled. Anyhow, WHY did you disable desyncs? 14:50:07 <roboboy> can I just post a link to the diff I used? 14:50:15 <Belugas> desyncs are boring, they stop the fun of the game. it's an evil thing done by devs 14:51:38 <roboboy> is that sufficient for GPL? 14:52:20 <roboboy> providing a link to the diff? 14:53:14 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:15 <Rubidium> technically probably not, but it's common practice and it's at least a million times better than no source and for seeing what you changed it's also better than providing the full source 14:53:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 14:54:03 <Rubidium> nevertheless, it doesn't make much sense to disable desyncs 14:58:37 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:00:18 <Rubidium> roboboy: #openttdcoop is running that? 15:00:34 <Rubidium> as server that is 15:02:23 <roboboy> yes 15:02:43 <Rubidium> have they hit a new all-time-low in doing stupid things? 15:02:58 <roboboy> the bundle/build will not be needed after the next nightly comes out 15:03:20 <Rubidium> yeah, but now half will desync and the other half won't 15:03:49 <roboboy> yep 15:04:04 <Rubidium> then at least call it r19068M or so 15:04:15 <Rubidium> makes the 'suckers' with the wrong binary fail to connect 15:04:41 <Rubidium> but no, we're going to use an incompatible version and give it the same version number... 15:04:47 <roboboy> so rename the bundle but not recompile the binary? 15:05:52 <Rubidium> according to http://www.openttd.org/en/server/105 they're running an unmodified version, if that's not the case it should say r19068M as version number... not claim it's unmodified. That's just incredibly stupid 15:08:26 <roboboy> theyve hacked findversion.sh which is definately stupid 15:08:34 <roboboy> gnight 15:08:59 <planetmaker> :S Someone provided a IMO BAD diff which supposed was meant to "work around" the desync. Why ever. 15:09:19 <planetmaker> I don't know what the binary has we currently run. 15:12:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:59 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:59 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 15:20:26 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-157.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:20:30 <Ammler> the "Someone" was me 15:20:46 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 15:20:49 <Ammler> we tried, if it works 15:20:53 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-157.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:29 <Ammler> roboboy: might be better you remove the binary there. 15:22:01 <Ammler> Rubidium: we run a patched server for quite a long time already. 15:22:34 <Ammler> since dih run his autonightly 15:22:53 <Rubidium> Ammler: and in it you're modifying how the @#$%@#$%@#$ pathfinder works? 15:24:08 <Ammler> someone had the idea, that backport the fix might work, also for unpatched clients. 15:24:10 <Rubidium> if you change it so the server dumps a bit more information to the console... that's fine, but modifying the game engine's logic, that's bad... very bad 15:25:08 *** mode/#openttd [+b someone!*@*] by Rubidium 15:25:16 <Ammler> yeah, it seems also very lagging now 15:25:27 <Ammler> dunno, if that is caused by the backport :-) 15:25:33 <roboboy> I will remove the patch when I get up in the morning 15:25:38 <Markk> welshdragon: Is your name Mark MacDowelle? 15:26:18 <Rubidium> Ammler: might be... the pathfinder caching is disabled when going to a multi-tile waypoint 15:26:44 <Ammler> Rubidium: so it will also lag after we use again a regular nightly? 15:26:57 <Rubidium> yes 15:27:03 <welshdragon> Markk nope 15:27:13 <Rubidium> unless you come up with a better fix 15:27:17 <Markk> welshdragon: Mkay. :) 15:27:29 <Markk> My first nick was MarkMc. :) 15:27:36 <Markk> (frÃ¥n Mark McDowelle) 15:27:47 <Ammler> what is the diff to a "via station"? 15:28:06 <Rubidium> stations are safe waiting points 15:28:34 <Ammler> we have already too many trains to change the orders, else we could try it :-) 15:32:41 *** Exs [~Miranda@193.179.209.52] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:06 <Belugas> mmh 15:33:16 <Belugas> we have lost our dns server 15:33:18 <Belugas> bad 15:33:55 <Belugas> anyone can verify what is the exact definition of CVV2, regarding credit card number? would be nice 15:35:04 <SirSquidness> Belugas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cvv2 15:36:09 <Belugas> our dns service does not work, SirSquidness. But thanks for the effort 15:36:21 <Belugas> IP addresses work, not "named" IP 15:37:30 <SirSquidness> oh, sorry 15:37:42 <SirSquidness> I thought you meant OpenTTDs DNS server was down or something 15:37:55 <SirSquidness> It's the extra number on most credit cards 15:38:00 <SirSquidness> that you enter as a 'security measure' 15:38:30 <SirSquidness> The Card Security Code (CSC), sometimes called Card Verification Value (CVV or CV2), Card Verification Value Code (CVVC), Card Verification Code (CVC), Verification Code (V-Code or V Code), or Card Code Verification (CCV)[1] is a security feature for credit or debit card transactions, giving increased protection against credit card fraud. 15:38:47 <Ammler> SirSquidness: pm it :-) 15:38:48 <SirSquidness> If you need an alternate DNS server, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 15:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: use an external nameserver? like 4.2.2.1 or 208.67.222.222 15:42:56 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.61.187] has left #openttd [] 15:50:01 <Belugas> thanks SirSquidness, that's perfect 15:50:38 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, i'll try something like that. dunno if it would fit our "corporate" network... 15:52:06 <SirSquidness> surely if you're on a corporate network, your IT admins would have redundant DNS servers? 15:52:25 <SirSquidness> 'cos.. you know... not having a DNS server sort of prevents a lot of stuff happening, especially if you're on an Activedirectory network... 15:54:11 <Belugas> works, Eddi|zuHause. milles fois merci! 15:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as you don't start to kiss me... 15:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 15:57:28 * dihedral has a powerbook he does not use anymore.... 15:59:12 <Belugas> our IT admin???? buwhahahahah!!!!! 16:00:09 <dihedral> SirSquidness, you gotta be joking 16:00:35 <dihedral> some admins dont even have a secondary domain controller 16:01:02 <dihedral> well... windows admins :-P 16:01:47 <dihedral> but if you are surprised by that, ask if their server has some sort of RAID configured :-P 16:02:43 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccd7.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:50 * jonty-comp doesn't have a secondary domain controller, or a redundant DNS, or RAID on his workplace's server 16:06:17 <jonty-comp> but then I don't even know why we have a domain in the first place, Small Business Server is completely useless 16:06:46 <dihedral> :-P 16:06:52 <jonty-comp> if it wasn't already there when I started working there, I'd have got a nice linux server for serving files, and e-mails 16:08:09 <SirSquidness> dihedral: sorry, I like to live in an imaginary world where everyone does things the smart way, not the cheap way 16:08:16 <SirSquidness> ;p 16:09:37 <dihedral> i am the only linux admin at work, and i get the cache to setup stuff my way :-) 16:10:48 <SirSquidness> how many windows admins do you have to argue with? 16:11:36 <dihedral> 2 16:13:27 <TrueBrain> cache or cash? :p 16:13:42 <Belugas> crache le cash! 16:13:50 <dihedral> cash :-P 16:13:53 <dihedral> snap 16:14:57 <SirSquidness> lol, that makes more sense 16:16:49 <dihedral> aye 16:16:51 <dihedral> still nice though 16:17:00 <SirSquidness> indeed 16:18:47 <dihedral> who wants a 75 eur voucher for google adwords? 16:19:05 <dihedral> (after the 28th it's only 50 eur) 16:19:11 <SirSquidness> donate it to openttd! 16:19:29 <dihedral> if they want it!! 16:19:34 <dihedral> TrueBrain, Rubidium? 16:19:45 <dihedral> feel like having a 75 eur google adwords voucher? 16:20:29 <TrueBrain> those are only valid after you pay Google 50 euro to activate it 16:20:58 <SirSquidness> typical -_- 16:22:19 <dihedral> nope, you need to pay 5 eur exc. vat 16:22:25 <dihedral> and it only works with new accounts 16:22:33 <dihedral> (new = younger than 14 days) 16:23:15 <TrueBrain> exactly 16:23:19 <TrueBrain> then you think you get things for free 16:23:22 <TrueBrain> tss, it is Google, of course not 16:24:09 <dihedral> perhaps someone wants it... i know i dont 16:25:52 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:49 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 16:26:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:38:32 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DAEB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab14d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:58 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 16:40:58 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:14 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 16:47:31 *** PeterT_ [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:32 <TrueBrain> http://www.ongein.nl/video-photoshop-kok-11438.aspx <- briliant! 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19:05:13 <TrueBrain> wow, I feel like Futurama .. skipped 1000 years :p 19:07:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yeah, in 2020 maybe :) 19:07:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:08:06 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:31 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:08:45 <Rubidium> s/tb/Terkhen/ 19:09:11 <TrueBrain> would be cool, to just skip 1.0 :p 19:09:18 <TrueBrain> that would annoy a lot of people 19:10:56 <Terkhen> :D 19:10:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:11:13 <Prof_Frink> OpenTTD 0.A.0! 19:12:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:45 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 19:22:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host75-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:22:48 <Wolf01> hello :o 19:23:22 *** mib_mkyr21 [589343b2@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:35 <__ln__> wolf! 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Pitoma prace.] 20:38:00 <aber> ahh, thats the point they do not supply 64bit firefox binaries. 20:38:14 <peter1138> they? 20:39:13 <aber> mozilla foundation? 20:40:52 <kd5pbo> aber: Do you have a 64bit processor? 20:41:23 <aber> yes 20:41:38 <kd5pbo> Why not build a 64-bit version and see if it works better. 20:41:38 <kd5pbo> L 20:41:39 <kd5pbo> ? 20:41:52 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:44:07 <frosch123> maybe they use lots of [(uint32)-1] to access the previous element in an array 20:44:39 <kd5pbo> frosch123: Can you even do that in C? 20:44:50 <kd5pbo> Wouldn't that just access the memory before the array? 20:45:13 <Alberth> not if you have a pointer pointing to the end 20:45:34 <kd5pbo> Ah. 20:45:40 <frosch123> int a[5]; int *b = a + 1; assert(b[-1] == a[0]); 20:46:14 <kd5pbo> Right. 20:46:17 <kd5pbo> What's assert? 20:46:20 <frosch123> now replace the -1 with an uint, an it will magically work on 32bit 20:46:57 <frosch123> #define assert(cond) {if (!(cond)) burp();} 20:48:14 <Eddi|zuHause> why did that make me burp? 20:48:40 <aber> maybe !cond ? 20:48:55 <kd5pbo> aber: Shouldn't matter. 20:50:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:39 <aber> Eddi is compiled without -ea ? 20:51:00 <Rubidium> rather with -ea (enable asplodes) 21:00:45 <andythenorth> hi hi 21:02:08 <andythenorth> 2.0! 21:03:07 * andythenorth deletes a draft forum post 21:03:18 *** yogal [~opera@87-205-73-5.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 21:03:22 <frosch123> what did you suggest? :) 21:03:41 <Rubidium> full TTDP 2.0 compatability! :) 21:04:28 <frosch123> "you have to post all your personal details to openttd.org to acquire your personal key for ottd, and you have to send all your keystrokes, passwords and data to openttd.org" 21:04:42 <frosch123> oh, wait that was web 2.0, right? 21:05:11 <frosch123> Rubidium: that is not very future proof, what to do in ottd 3.0 ? 21:07:10 <Rubidium> full TTDP 3.0 support ofcourse 21:07:20 <Rubidium> i.e. no 3.0 before TTDP 3.0! 21:07:35 <andythenorth> frosch123: my suggestion for 2.0: "ship working code" 21:07:42 <andythenorth> I know, I know, it's a big ask :) 21:07:52 <frosch123> what is ship working? 21:07:58 *** yogal [~opera@87-205-73-5.adsl.inetia.pl] has left #openttd [] 21:08:07 <andythenorth> ahem, try reading that again? 21:08:13 <frosch123> oh, "ship" is also a verb, right? 21:08:16 <andythenorth> yup 21:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> kd5pbo: it's either a command or a setting, not a variable 21:08:43 <andythenorth> every other version of OpenTTD appears to work, so I think 2.0 should continue that nice pattern 21:08:50 <andythenorth> working code is a top feature in my view 21:08:53 <Eddi|zuHause> (the net_frame_freq) 21:09:01 <SmatZ> [22:04:08] <pcmattman> I'd have banned yorick if I had his mask 21:09:05 <SmatZ> [22:06:07] *** pcmattman nastavuje reÅŸim: +b *!*yorick@* 21:09:07 <frosch123> my suggestion: "make andy support macos port" 21:09:12 * andythenorth may have dry humour 21:09:12 <SmatZ> everyone loves yorick :) 21:09:17 <andythenorth> and no to the mac os port 21:10:14 <andythenorth> so these forums....I just post a suggestion, and then you guys magically implement it right? So I can have anything I like in 2.0? 21:10:49 <SmatZ> andythenorth: yes, that's exactly how it works 21:10:56 <andythenorth> oh good 21:11:04 <SmatZ> too bad it's too late to have everything implemented in 1.0 21:11:21 <Sionide> as long as you help with bug testing/triaging andythenorth 21:11:44 <andythenorth> in that case, I WANT UNDERGROUND RAILWAYS! 21:11:51 <andythenorth> never mind that you can't bloody see them :o 21:11:59 <SmatZ> andythenorth: whan an original idea!!!!!1111oneoneone 21:12:02 <SmatZ> t 21:12:07 <Sionide> hehe 21:12:07 * andythenorth lulz 21:12:13 <Rubidium> andythenorth: so how do you know they aren't there, but serviced by another company? 21:12:37 <andythenorth> dunno, why don't we just implement some code that just moves all the cargo around the map automatically? No routes required. 21:12:41 <frosch123> hmm, underground railways... that would need backporting of quite some revisions from 2.0 branch to trunk 21:12:43 <andythenorth> kind of 'underground' 21:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> teleportation railtype 21:13:12 * andythenorth decides to stop twatting around and go eat 21:13:33 <frosch123> andythenorth: actually heisenberg rail is already part of 1.0 21:13:54 <Sionide> what's all this talk of 1.0 ?? 21:13:56 <andythenorth> can we measure a piece of cargo in one place and have it manifest somewhere else 21:13:57 <andythenorth> ? 21:15:06 <frosch123> well, when i was young there was always the discussion, how you could turn the game money into real money. since i transport tons of candy and toffee in toyland that changed somewhat 21:15:52 <Sionide> frosch123, branson did it.. I bet he played TTO as a teen. 21:15:58 * andythenorth awards himself today's beer 21:16:01 <SmatZ> enojy 21:16:05 <SmatZ> ... 21:16:55 <Rubidium> Sionide: I bet he didn't 21:17:03 <Sionide> ;p 21:17:11 <Rubidium> but then, my math may be broken 21:17:41 <Rubidium> assuming 1950+20 < 1994 21:17:52 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=47238 <- hehehe "our new goal" :-D 21:18:22 <frosch123> anyway, did someone ask branson whether he would brefer 2000 bags of sweets per month? 21:18:53 * andythenorth goes off to model some bulldozers in 3D 21:18:59 * andythenorth gets bored and comes back 21:19:29 <Sionide> frosch123, someone's gotta haul the sweets around.. 21:19:47 <frosch123> dihedral: someone registered to post that... 21:21:16 <aber> not 3D, but http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&p=5tY9AA&search=rotation 21:24:33 <Alberth> now if only everything looked the same from every direction... 21:24:37 <dihedral> hehe - someone claims all sprites exist in 4 directions already .... 21:24:57 <Sionide> wow.. 21:25:41 <frosch123> rotation in steps of 90 degree is quite easy if you choose the right axis 21:26:03 <dihedral> rotation in 360 degree steps is even easier :-P 21:26:26 * andythenorth turns his laptop upside down for rotation of 180 21:26:31 <Sionide> a lot of the later tycoon/theme games have 4 point rotation.. 21:26:41 * andythenorth hmmm....the podcast skipped 21:26:42 <Rubidium> frosch123: the 't' axis? 21:26:48 <Sionide> is ttdpatch still going?? 21:27:10 <frosch123> the axis of evil? 21:27:24 <Sionide> :S just wondered.. 21:27:24 <Terkhen> why stop at that? go for free view camera 21:27:25 <Rubidium> frosch123: nah, time :) 21:28:12 <Alberth> Rubidium: only in positive direction :) 21:28:46 <dihedral> Terkhen, if you create the amount of sprites RCT had 21:28:57 <frosch123> Sionide: http://svn.ttdpatch.net/trac/timeline?from=02%2F16%2F10&daysback=45&changeset=on&update=Update 21:28:57 <Sionide> ohh that'd be good, a rewind time button so you can watch a crash, rewind it and prevent it...?? 21:29:06 <Alberth> RCT only had 4 directions 21:29:17 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:28 <Terkhen> but they are already done, right? :P 21:29:52 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 21:29:54 <frosch123> dihedral: every monkey gets a 3d impression from just two pictures 21:29:55 <Alberth> Sionide: we already have that feature, it's called autosave 21:30:21 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I *always* draw many more angles than the game can handle....it's just....so fun :) 21:30:22 <Sionide> Alberth, not quite the same.. 21:30:40 <Alberth> Terkhen: yep, they were generated with a renderer, I think 21:30:50 <frosch123> Sionide: you mean a "undo knob" ? 21:30:55 <Alberth> (before hand) 21:30:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:30:59 <Sionide> kind of 21:31:01 <aber> rendering, we need to implement ray tracing... 21:31:22 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:31:23 <andythenorth> can we also implement a first person shooter in the game? 21:31:39 <andythenorth> OpenTTDoom 21:31:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab14d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:44 <Alberth> aber: why, how does that transport cargo? 21:31:56 <Alberth> andythenorth: Doomed OpenTTD 21:32:01 <frosch123> andythenorth: magic bulldozer? 21:32:47 <Alberth> yeah, "Magic bulldozer runaway, causing havoc over the land" news 21:33:05 <Terkhen> I didn't know, I was just kidding :P 21:33:23 <TrueBrain> hmm .. more disasters .... 21:33:27 <Alberth> Terkhen: that's when you get the best insane ideas :p 21:33:27 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killdozer!_(film) 21:33:32 <Sionide> more work on new industries would be good.. new stuff to transport, post 1.0 release.. 21:33:55 * andythenorth waves his hand 21:34:05 * Alberth points at andythenorth 21:34:28 * andythenorth points at Yexo's industry patch 21:34:45 * TrueBrain slaps andythenorth for pointing 21:34:54 <andythenorth> Alberth started it 21:35:02 * TrueBrain puts andythenorth in the corner for telling 21:35:19 <Yexo> and wrong telling even 21:35:19 * andythenorth eats dinner and drinks a beer 21:35:31 <TrueBrain> hmm .. beer .... 21:35:34 <Sionide> but that's an optional patch right?? not in trunk? 21:35:47 <Yexo> currently not 21:35:51 <TrueBrain> slapping andythenorth? That is always optinal :) 21:36:09 <andythenorth> the patch to slap me definitely doesn't compile on mac 21:36:22 <TrueBrain> I do need to fix that 21:37:15 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:00 <dihedral> frosch123> Sionide: you mean a "undo knob" ? <- LOL 21:38:19 <dihedral> <andythenorth> OpenTTDoom <- OpenTTDNukem 21:38:31 <jonty-comp> openttd should have a bonus level like theme hospital 21:38:36 <jonty-comp> where you shotgun all the rats 21:38:41 <TrueBrain> OpenThemeHospital 21:38:45 <TrueBrain> wasnt someone working on that? 21:38:47 <FauxFaux> ... 21:38:48 <Sionide> they are.. 21:38:49 <jonty-comp> well, that already exists 21:38:51 <FauxFaux> Want. 21:39:01 <Sionide> they have a playable beta out.. 21:39:03 <kd5pbo> What's Therme hospital? 21:39:04 <FauxFaux> It still works in dosbox. 21:39:09 <IPG> re all! 21:39:14 <FauxFaux> We played it at a recent LAN. 21:39:24 <TrueBrain> of course it works in DOSBox 21:39:24 <Sionide> kd5pbo, take a guess.. 21:39:26 <TrueBrain> why wouldn't it? 21:39:29 <Sionide> http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ 21:39:32 <TrueBrain> TT work sin DOSBox too 21:39:40 <kd5pbo> Well, I know what a hospital is. 21:39:48 <kd5pbo> I'm still trying to figure out what a therme is. 21:39:58 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: OpenTTD even work(s|ed) in DOSbox 21:40:05 <Sionide> kd5pbo, okay so... extrapolate from that.. what other "Theme" games do we know? Theme Park etc. 21:40:06 <TrueBrain> ghehe 21:40:11 <kd5pbo> Theme. 21:40:13 <jonty-comp> kd5pbo: try removing the r 21:40:15 <kd5pbo> Not therme. 21:40:16 <kd5pbo> Right. 21:40:23 <jonty-comp> darn, beaten to it 21:40:28 <kd5pbo> So, a hospital where I can get treated on a roller coaster? 21:40:29 * jonty-comp spirals into depression 21:40:52 <TrueBrain> pretty active 21:40:53 * KenjiE20 makes jonty take off his elvis constume 21:40:55 <Sionide> kd5pbo, there are no roller coasters.. just different treatment rooms and doctors and nurses.. 21:40:57 <KenjiE20> all better! 21:41:09 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 21:41:33 <KenjiE20> -n 21:41:34 <Sionide> jonty-comp, if openttd had a bonus level such as you describe, what would it be? 21:41:41 <Sionide> jonty-comp, shoot the UFOs??? 21:41:44 <TrueBrain> 300 revisions in 2 months ... not bad, for a game like OpenTH :p 21:41:52 <jonty-comp> something like that 21:42:15 <Sionide> TH is a cult classic 21:42:33 <Sionide> if you ever played the original, whether it be on PC or playstation... it's just a classic!! 21:42:46 <TrueBrain> like TTD 21:42:47 <TrueBrain> or Dune2 21:42:54 <KenjiE20> or SimTower 21:43:11 <TrueBrain> sim what? 21:43:14 <jonty-comp> :O 21:43:15 <Alberth> Simcity 21:43:17 <Sionide> !!! 21:43:21 <Rubidium> simtower... with santa claus! :) 21:43:25 <IPG> SimSig? 21:43:26 <Rubidium> don't forget SimFarm :) 21:43:29 <jonty-comp> I found out the other day I could play Jazz Jackrabbit in DOSBox on my PDA 21:43:29 <TrueBrain> SimAnt! 21:43:31 <Sionide> SimTower, yeah or one better.. SIM ANT! 21:43:33 <aber> they can research new illnesses, oO 21:43:36 <KenjiE20> heh simant 21:43:38 <jonty-comp> unfortunately it's not fast enough for anything else :( 21:43:40 <Terkhen> I loved SimEarth 21:43:42 <IPG> does anyone know SimSig?!? 21:43:43 <KenjiE20> I was considering opensimant 21:43:45 <IPG> :) 21:43:48 <Rubidium> IPG: I do 21:43:52 <KenjiE20> then I realised simant still owkrs fine 21:43:55 <jonty-comp> oh, it can play Sim(Ant|Earth) in the SNES emulator 21:43:56 <KenjiE20> works* 21:44:00 <KenjiE20> IPG: #simsig 21:44:07 <IPG> omg! thx 21:44:12 <Sionide> I think I'm going to have to investigate this DOSBox 21:44:34 <Sionide> anybody ever play Hocus Pocus??? 21:44:35 <TrueBrain> I can convert old 16bit DOS application to C code! WHOHO! :) 21:44:38 <KenjiE20> yes 21:44:47 <jonty-comp> I have SimFarm somewhere in my cupboard 21:44:49 <KenjiE20> anyone remember Afterlife? 21:44:54 <KenjiE20> no? thought not 21:45:00 <KenjiE20> :P 21:45:01 <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: good, there's a long list to convert! :D 21:45:03 <Rubidium> KenjiE20: no, I'm not dead yet (I think) 21:45:11 <kd5pbo> KenjiE20: Actually, sounds familliar. 21:45:14 <kd5pbo> What was/is it? 21:45:26 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-51-157.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:29 <KenjiE20> pretty much what it says in the title 21:45:34 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: openDUNE is the first :p 21:45:41 <jonty-comp> I also remember having Flight Simulator 3 on a floppy disk 21:45:47 <KenjiE20> simhheaven/hell 21:45:48 <jonty-comp> and now I have FS2004 on five CDs :s 21:45:51 <glx> <TrueBrain> I can convert old 16bit DOS application to C code! WHOHO! :) <-- with MIDI sound ;) 21:46:11 <TrueBrain> MPU support, yes, tnx to glx :p 21:48:19 <glx> jonty-comp: high quality textures and sound ;) 21:48:25 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: even OpenTTD no longer fits on a floppydisk 21:48:46 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: did TTD? 21:48:54 <KenjiE20> was about to say... 21:49:07 <TrueBrain> at least the executable :p 21:49:08 <KenjiE20> I remember TTO disks, but not TTDLX 21:49:18 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@229.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:47 <Terkhen> NewGRF disasters... I created a few while trying to understand callbacks 21:50:12 <IPG> does anyone know what is the timeout at a server when your account goes to negative to let other people to take over your company? 21:50:19 <TrueBrain> easy to make a disaster out of NewGRFs :p 21:50:20 <IPG> at multiplayer 21:50:44 <Rubidium> IPG: ~1 year IIRC 21:51:18 <IPG> thx 21:51:51 <kd5pbo> IPG: It's something a server can change, though. 21:52:13 <planetmaker> IPG: IIRC you get three warnings at the 1st of the quarter and if you're still at a negative balance at the 4th you get bancrupted 21:52:30 <planetmaker> and good evening everyone :-) 21:52:50 <TrueBrain> howdie planetmaker 21:52:53 * KenjiE20 runs for the hills 21:52:59 <IPG> thanks for all :) 21:53:23 <Eddi|zuHause> TTO was on 2 floppy disks (installable) 21:53:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and OpenTTD perfectly fits on a 100MB Zip disk ;) 21:54:11 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: not with all the BaNaNaS content :p (275 MiB) 21:55:08 * Alberth uses just 10 letters to get OpenTTD :p 21:55:25 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@62.82.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:28 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 21:55:43 * planetmaker updates to the server's version just by means of "./start ps" ;-) 21:56:01 <planetmaker> which is incidentially also 10 letters :-) 21:56:14 <TrueBrain> makes his system unusable by just 7 chars: rm -rf / :p 21:56:24 <planetmaker> hehe :-P 21:56:35 <TrueBrain> I don't see the point in this game 21:56:41 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: you forgot one prerequisite, though 21:57:19 <planetmaker> I would only screw my data - usually :-P 21:57:32 <TrueBrain> I was talking about my system .. hence the 'his system' 21:58:01 <planetmaker> well, yes. But you're surely not always loged in as root? 21:58:07 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-199-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:58:21 <TrueBrain> I didn't say under which conditions 21:58:27 <TrueBrain> same for you: you aren't always in the right dir, are you? 21:58:49 <jonty-comp> that and most sane distros don't let you carelessly rm -rf / anymore 21:58:50 <planetmaker> hence "...forgot prerequisite..." ;-) 21:58:56 <jonty-comp> damn these "are you sure?" messages! 21:58:59 <planetmaker> hehe. also true ;-) 21:59:01 <TrueBrain> but you said: _you_ forgot 21:59:04 <TrueBrain> but it is _we_ forgot 21:59:15 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 21:59:15 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: mine does .. Gentoo for the win :) 21:59:20 * TrueBrain hugs planetmaker 21:59:21 <TrueBrain> :) 21:59:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5f28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:42 <peter1138> gentoo is not sane... 22:01:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r19146 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use CommandCost in industry checking routines. 22:01:37 <TrueBrain> depends on the user 22:02:11 <Rubidium> the user running x86_64 wanting a stable OpenTTD? 22:02:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:03:28 <kd5pbo> Gentoo is perfectly sane. 22:03:35 *** Lippern [~lippert_8@cm-84.210.200.223.getinternet.no] has joined #openttd 22:04:01 <andythenorth> I had an idea, so you guys will code it right :P 22:04:02 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=47247 22:04:06 <Lippern> hi. I have problems using OpenTTd multiplayer over internet. can anyone help me? 22:04:13 <andythenorth> idea above could be 'new in 2.0' 22:04:42 <Lippern> hi. I have problems using OpenTTd multiplayer over internet. can anyone help me Please? 22:06:06 <Rubidium> Lippern: can you be more elaborate about the problems? 22:07:28 <Lippern> ok, I want to start a server so I can play with my friends. but they cant find me on their lists, its over internet not LAN 22:07:36 <planetmaker> @ports 22:07:36 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 22:08:19 <planetmaker> ^ Lippern open those ports in all firewalls and routers 22:08:34 <planetmaker> well. mostly the server firewall and router 22:09:13 <Lippern> ok, ill try 22:10:02 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7b72.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 22:11:05 *** nicecupoftea [~daniel@cpc2-bmly8-2-0-cust312.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> surely, the emergency number should be '112' 22:11:48 <andythenorth> :P 22:12:45 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 22:14:38 <Lippern> ok, I went into my router adress and went on the firewall and DMZ on advanced, but they ask for a destination connection? 22:16:01 <aber> DMZ is probably not the right place. In my opinion this is a special port and your computer is not connected to this port. 22:17:11 <aber> You need to forward this ports, to your IP Adress. 22:17:22 <Lippern> ok, how do i do that? 22:17:59 <aber> depends on your Router. 22:18:15 <planetmaker> your Router's manual should help you 22:18:33 <Lippern> hehe, thanx 22:18:38 <Lippern> i think i found it 22:18:47 <Lippern> im a bad manual reader 22:23:42 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:37 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:46 *** Lippern [~lippert_8@cm-84.210.200.223.getinternet.no] has quit [] 22:25:34 <Wolf01> 'night 22:25:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host75-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:26:28 <__ln__> 'night, Wolf01 22:29:05 <kd5pbo> What can cause a city's population to shrink? 22:30:27 <planetmaker> people moving to other towns :-D 22:30:37 <__ln__> a border opening to west 22:31:01 <planetmaker> city population fluctuates. It can go up or down, if houses get replaced 22:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> birth rate falling below death rate 22:31:37 <__ln__> plague 22:31:44 <planetmaker> war 22:31:46 <TrueBrain> people getting murdered more than people can fuck new ones 22:31:52 <Eddi|zuHause> in case of openttd, the "birth rate" is controlled by the number of stations, while the "death rate" is dependent on the number of houses 22:31:57 <TrueBrain> 9 month delivery time is a bitch 22:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so each town stagnates somewhere 22:32:37 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I'm not sure there's a hard limit in OpenTTD. 22:32:43 <kd5pbo> Oh, good to know. 22:32:50 <planetmaker> Except the map size of 2048^2 22:32:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there's not a hard limit, but a dynamic limit... 22:33:00 <kd5pbo> More houses mean a higher death rate or a lower death rate? 22:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> a dynamic balance 22:33:29 <planetmaker> Well... not really. If it can grow it will continue to grow. 22:33:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:42 <kd5pbo> There's plenty of room. 22:33:47 <planetmaker> Just the percentage growth won't stay the same 22:33:55 <Eddi|zuHause> you can expand a city to 300.000 in the scenario editor 22:34:02 <planetmaker> only? 22:34:03 <kd5pbo> I left my city when I went to bed and half of my population left in the middle of the night. 22:34:10 <planetmaker> We've built 1.5M cities ingame 22:34:12 *** Pod [~Pod@client-81-98-18-113.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but once you start playing the game, and cannot manually adjust size, it will drop 22:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> to something around 100.000 22:34:51 <planetmaker> so 100000 is not the max town size, by far 22:35:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it depends... 22:35:05 <kd5pbo> Eddi|zuHause: I was at 120k last night. 22:35:22 <Pod> What grfs do you guys play with? 22:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> house sets might increase the number of inhabitants 22:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> then of course towns can get bigger 22:36:00 <kd5pbo> Pod: eGVRTS. 22:36:22 <Pod> do you play with just that? 22:36:33 <Pod> I have that and have played with it, but in conjunction with UKRS 22:36:39 <kd5pbo> What's that? 22:36:50 <Pod> UK revival <set?> 22:37:03 <Pod> I just wanna know a good "combo" set, if that makes sense? :P 22:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the calculation is simple. each tick, a town has an x% chance to grow a house. each existing house has a y% chance to close in a given tick 22:37:19 <Pod> like, I don't want one thing changing the values/prices massively, but another grd not doing so 22:37:24 <Eddi|zuHause> so when x = n*y, the growth and shrinking rates are balanced 22:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause> where n is the number of houses 22:37:43 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-76-111-41-244.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:21 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_91_-_100#gameid_96 <-- still. There's 2 million inhabitants in one of three towns. 22:39:56 <planetmaker> are you sure that it's not "replace house" instead of "close house" actually, Eddi|zuHause ? 22:40:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no, those are separate things 22:40:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and TTRS might contain very high density houses, that the standard set does not 22:41:32 <planetmaker> might be that those games are with TTRS. Actually it's likely 22:42:10 <planetmaker> another game was like 4 x <~ 1 million. Can be fun actually ;-) 22:42:30 <planetmaker> Bad thing is that the ICE stations have no chance to get a good rating. 22:42:45 <planetmaker> The PAX turn-over is so high that there's too often too much waiting 22:43:10 <planetmaker> even if it's transported away in the next second by the next TGV or ICE 22:43:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:47 *** Uresu_ [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> why would they need a good rating? 22:55:50 <planetmaker> well, they don't *need* it. But too many bad stations make the local authority quite unhappy 22:56:06 <planetmaker> Thus it inhibits further development of public transport within that city very much 22:56:20 <planetmaker> and that easily happens within large cities 22:57:08 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Vem vás vÅ¡echny Äert.] 22:57:09 <planetmaker> Especially the s-bahn stations near the center are also very crowded and through-put is also high. Thus their rating is also bad, even despite good vehicle coverage 22:57:13 <planetmaker> but yeah. 22:57:20 *** Uresu_ [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 23:00:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:55 <kd5pbo> planetmaker: What's s-bahn? 23:02:16 <planetmaker> inner-city rail. metropolitan rail 23:02:19 <planetmaker> tube 23:02:25 <planetmaker> whatever fits ;-) 23:02:54 *** nicecupoftea [~daniel@cpc2-bmly8-2-0-cust312.2-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: nicecupoftea] 23:03:17 <planetmaker> in a certain way also trams would or could qualify 23:06:23 <kd5pbo> Ah. 23:06:45 <planetmaker> hm... I just got a 'connection lost' message from the server when I quit my client normally. 23:06:51 <planetmaker> Is that ok? 23:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i thought that was supposed to be fixed? 23:07:29 <planetmaker> well. r19145 is what I just used 23:07:42 <planetmaker> I *thought* so, too, though 23:08:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:57 <planetmaker> leaving normally = ctrl+q: want to leave OpenTTD? -> Yes 23:11:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:17:55 <Terkhen> good night 23:18:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@167.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:18:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 23:19:19 <roboboy> gmorning 23:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it's after midnight, so technically it is morning 23:21:40 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:22:15 *** Pod [~Pod@client-81-98-18-113.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:54 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:51 <Fast2> Eddi|zuHause: His local time is half past ten in the morning ;) 23:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> australians are weird, they really have everything upside down... gravity points upwards, days are at night, summers are in winter 23:30:14 <__ln__> freedom of speech is censorship 23:30:15 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-5-155.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:31:43 <Eddi|zuHause> mammals carry their children on the outside 23:33:16 <Hirundo> War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength 23:33:24 <__ln__> kangaroos are spotted much more frequently than in austria 23:34:04 <Fast2> :D 23:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i never spotted a kangaroo in either austria nor australia 23:35:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... nick colours are dangerous... 23:35:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i constantly mix up people... 23:36:56 *** DJGummik1h [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #openttd 23:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's bad enough if you mix uo Hirundo or Terkhen with Rubidium 23:37:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but mixing up planetmaker and TrueBrain may be lethal... 23:38:54 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:54 <planetmaker> hehe 23:44:08 *** DJGummik1h [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:10 *** DJGummikuh [~joey@ip3007.saw.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #openttd 23:45:09 <planetmaker> good night for now, though 23:50:42 *** Pod [~Pod@client-81-98-18-113.cht-bng-013.adsl.virginmedia.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:42 *** Richard [~chatzilla@cpc1-oxfd18-2-0-cust689.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:52:45 *** Richard is now known as zephyris 23:52:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:56:08 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbab14d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF9D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]