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00:03:54 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 00:05:00 *** snorre [~snorre@c9A28BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:08 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:15:04 <aber> 1.0.0-RC1/src/ai/ai_config.cpp:19: error: invalid use of incomplete type âstruct AIConfigâ 00:15:05 <aber> 1.0.0-RC1/src/ai/../settings_type.h:387: error: forward declaration of âstruct AIConfigâ 00:16:38 <Rubidium> huh? 00:16:53 <Rubidium> what configure flags are you using? 00:17:43 <aber> ./configure --enable-universal --static-icu 00:18:11 <Rubidium> hmm, then I have no clue 00:18:57 <FauxFaux> Surely you mean "What odd compiler or compiler options are you using"? 00:19:17 <Rubidium> although the error seems totally wrong to me; ai_config.cpp includes ai_config.hpp that defines AIConfig 00:20:31 *** PeterT_ [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:19 <SmatZ> Rubidium: it includes settings_type.h before ai_config.hpp 00:22:53 <Rubidium> SmatZ: nevertheless, AIConfig should be defined at that point (as per inclusion of ai_config.hpp) 00:23:26 <aber> wait, maybe i did something stupid... 00:23:58 <SmatZ> Rubidium: indeed it looks strange 00:24:41 <Rubidium> unless Apple is using AIConfig in their APIs now 00:24:52 <SmatZ> hehe 00:24:53 <Rubidium> although then you'd probably get another error 00:24:56 <SmatZ> wouldn't be for the first time 00:25:02 <Rubidium> maybe they define AI_CONFIG_H 00:25:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:37 <SmatZ> AI_CONFIG_HPP 00:25:52 <Rubidium> same thing :) 00:26:04 <SmatZ> :) 00:26:21 <SmatZ> hmm 00:26:31 <SmatZ> --static-icu compiles fine for me 00:26:36 <SmatZ> I am PC 00:26:42 <SmatZ> so... 00:26:47 <SmatZ> :-P @ aber 00:26:59 <Rubidium> SmatZ: no, you are Linux... "I am PC" implies Windows 00:27:32 <SmatZ> hehe :) 00:27:53 <SmatZ> sad, but true 00:29:01 <Rubidium> nevertheless, nothing has changed in ai_config.* not settings_type.h since I've last ran trunk through my OSX compiler 00:29:58 <SmatZ> "it worked in the past" doesn't help much in OSX world 00:30:38 <Rubidium> and "it works in my self-compiled-from-apple-sources-with-patches-to-make-it-actually-compile compiler" isn't work anything... 00:30:51 <SmatZ> yeah :( 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B26.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:51 *** PeterT_ [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:23 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:38 *** sparrL [~kvirc@c-24-126-240-213.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:45:33 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:20 <aber> I'm a mac and i compiled OpenTTD (4 times) 00:48:54 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-81-36.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:49:09 <Rubidium> I'm a Linux and I compiled a compiler that makes Mac binaries for OpenTTD dozens of times 00:49:45 <Rubidium> too bad that compiler is kinda slow 00:51:28 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> better slow than a mac :p 00:53:11 <Rubidium> what annoys me most is that they messed around with keyboard 'shortcuts' 00:53:33 <Rubidium> e.g. using screen + irssi via ssh with apple's terminal is really annoying (for me) 00:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means 00:53:58 <Rubidium> whereas the same with putty on windows works just like it does here 00:54:29 *** PeterT_ [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-143-114.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:52 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@229.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:56:15 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:21 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:59:55 <aber> like the Windows key is control or something? 01:01:35 <Rubidium> for some reason pagedown/pageup forces scrolls the console instead of sending the keycode, so you need pagedown/up with some other key to make it behave as if you were using it in a text editor 01:02:35 <Rubidium> and something was up with alt too 01:02:54 <ashb> Rubidium: the pgup behaviour can be adjusted in prefs 01:03:07 <ashb> as can alt. "Use option as meta key" 01:03:22 <PeterT_> Rubidium, what is "Patch testing in CF"? 01:03:31 <PeterT_> what does "CF" stand for? 01:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause> compile farm 01:03:43 <PeterT_> thank you 01:03:56 <Rubidium> ashb: ofcourse it can be changed, but who am I to change the settings of someone else's mac? 01:04:05 <ashb> a joker? :) 01:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: install linux on it ;) 01:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> if you set up the right desktop skins, the person might never notice :) 01:05:43 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nah, point-and-drool would probably not work anymore, as would their i<whatever> 01:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what can be done to make a (slow) system more responsive while copying large files? 01:06:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried changing the scheduler, but that doesn't seem to have an effect 01:07:10 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: ionice? 01:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i never figured out how to use that 01:07:52 <Rubidium> ionice -c 3 -p <pid> (makes it use idle) 01:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and especially make that apply to all copying processes automatically... 01:08:08 <OwenS> Incidentally, heard of how slow the scheduler is in Linux kernels < 2.6.32? Apparently theyve fixed a number of bugs which half the runtime of x264 by half, which is very impressive considering x264 is utterly CPU bound 01:09:12 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i can't update the kernel 01:09:24 <kd5pbo> Eddi|zuHause: why not? 01:09:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ati driver with old card 01:09:35 <Rubidium> OwenS: lots and lots can be won by reducing cache pressure 01:09:52 <kd5pbo> Eddi|zuHause: Ah. 01:10:08 <OwenS> Rubidium: My understanding is just lots of suboptimal decisions in the beast that is CFS. 01:10:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19158 /trunk/src/string.cpp: -Fix (r19149): MSVC 64 bits compile warning 01:10:32 <PeterT_> Where do you get reports for warnings like this? 01:10:48 <glx> CF logs 01:11:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19159 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix (r19151): configure gave a warning about a broken expression 01:11:18 <PeterT_> are those available online? 01:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 01:11:40 <glx> yes, with the binaries and pdb 01:12:59 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT 01:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: so, how do i ionice all instances of dolphin that i start by any means possible from now until forever, without thinking about it? 01:13:57 <Rubidium> no clue 01:16:06 *** _teeone [oryan@sometimes.hoes.need.to.be.slapped.us] has joined #openttd 01:18:18 *** teeone [oryan@sometimes.hoes.need.to.be.slapped.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:22 *** _teeone is now known as teeone 01:18:51 <Eddi|zuHause> about the ati driver... apparently they managed to patch the old driver to work with new kernels, but not with new x servers, so i can't just run a dist upgrade 01:19:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and the last time i tried mixing distributions it went horribly wrong... 01:19:23 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Ouch. Get a new graphics card? :p 01:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: not for this computer... 01:19:42 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: dist-upgrade as in apt-get? 01:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: as in "zypper dup" 01:20:18 <Rubidium> if so: X in debian unstable/testing is too new for ATI's drivers 01:20:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what i said... 01:21:24 <Rubidium> well, old driver on new X != new driver on new X 01:21:46 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, it doesn't work... 01:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and the radeon driver is useless... 01:22:41 <Rubidium> at least not better than ATI's driver 01:22:49 <aber> Nvidia the way it's meant to be played 01:23:06 <Eddi|zuHause> no, for the cases i tested, it is really unusable 01:23:06 <Rubidium> I prefer Intel for GPU :) 01:24:36 <Wizzleby> exactly what s the definition of 'old' savegames that building without liblzo2 will render incompatible? 01:24:52 <Wizzleby> like, before N.N.N 01:25:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Wizzleby: something around 0.3, i believe 01:25:36 <Wizzleby> Eddi|zuHause: wow, *really* old then :) 01:25:52 <OwenS> Rubidium: I hate Intel GPUs. Coding apps which work on them is a nighmare 01:26:03 <Rubidium> IIRC even before 0.2 :) 01:26:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know if the title game is affected 01:26:36 <Rubidium> OwenS: but the linux driver is far superior (and I can't be bothered by apps that use the GPU) 01:26:40 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it isn't 01:26:41 <Chrill> old original TT savegames doesn't run in OpenTTd, right? 01:26:51 <Rubidium> Chrill: they can be loaded 01:27:05 <Chrill> ah 01:27:07 <Chrill> =) 01:27:07 <OwenS> Rubidium: To nVIDIA's? Nah. And nVIDIA's has great H.264/VC-1/MPEG-2 acceleration as well 01:27:29 <Rubidium> OwenS: yet binary blobs and such 01:27:37 <OwenS> So? They work :P 01:28:06 <OwenS> And at least, unlike Intel, they don't go "Were going to arbitrarily cap support at OpenGL 1.4 for these cards"... 01:28:07 <Rubidium> the fact that Intel's drivers are IN the kernel tree says quite a lot about their quality 01:28:27 <thingwath> Recent intel driver can, at least, provide very reliable suspend & resume. Beat that. :) 01:28:33 <OwenS> Rubidium: The percentage of the driver which is in the kernel is between 1 and 5% ;-) 01:29:19 <Rubidium> OwenS: yet the percentage of bugs I can report with the nvidia/ati driver is 0 01:30:08 <Rubidium> aber: 1.0.0-RC1 compiles fine with the compiler from the compile farm 01:30:32 <OwenS> Rubidium: I've never had a crash I could attribute to nVIDIA. In fact, most of the time I've experienced crashes, it's been because some distro decided to load nv or noveau, both of which crash my machine... 01:30:44 <aber> Rubidium: Don't worry. i did something stupid. 01:31:02 <aber> compiles fine... 01:31:36 <thingwath> OwenS: Anyway, what you mean by 1 to 5%? i915 drm part in the kernel is almost as large as intel X driver. 01:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> since when is "doesn't crash" a criterium for "not a bug"? 01:31:54 <OwenS> thingwath: 90% of the driver is libGL 01:32:05 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB85D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:32:33 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: The track record for reliability is significantly higher for me than with the open source alternatives. Which crash 100% of the time, 100% reproducably on my hardware... 01:36:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9D04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:38:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:11 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 01:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, if somebody has an AGP graphocs card that os supported by the mew drovers amd os wprth öess tham the value of my entire computer... 01:40:41 *** PeterT [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:59 <aber> sleepy time? 01:41:05 <kd5pbo> Or too much beer. 01:41:11 *** Forgetful_Lion [~Forgetful@ppp118-208-186-179.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 01:41:36 <Eddi|zuHause> offset keyboard 01:41:43 <kd5pbo> Or that. 01:42:21 <Eddi|zuHause> just shift some right hand characters by one ;) 01:48:18 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Whats the value of your computer? 01:54:07 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:00:02 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: if you don't count the monitor and the extra hard drivesm, negligible 02:02:05 <SpComb^> hmm.. trying to track cargodist and do builds off the 1.0 branch isn't an idea that's going to work very well, I presume 02:05:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 02:19:11 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:19:16 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:18 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 02:25:27 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:12 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 02:36:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:37:09 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:05 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:38:05 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 02:39:28 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:41:33 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 02:41:39 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 02:43:02 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 02:56:32 * SpComb^ goes to spy on the german forums again 03:04:25 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:18 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 03:05:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:09:08 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-81-36.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13:30 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 03:13:33 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c1f7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:25 <SpComb^> mass confusing as usual 03:19:32 <SpComb^> *confusion 03:19:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.186.120] has joined #openttd 03:21:16 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:21:16 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:21:19 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 03:23:14 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 03:25:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.175.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:50 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:24 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-205-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:54 *** boekabart_away [~bart@95.211.130.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:47:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:49:22 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:52:00 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-205-169.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:08 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:52:29 *** boekabart_away [~bart@95.211.130.13] has joined #openttd 03:52:48 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@adsl-99-162-205-169.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:02:34 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 04:03:02 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:04:22 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 04:04:40 *** gr00vy [cRave@188.107.233.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:04:45 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-155-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:07:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:09:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 04:13:41 <roboboy> does make bundle automatically create a Win32 bundle if no parameters are specified? 04:23:01 <SpComb^> perhaps read the makefile and find out, it isn't very complicated 04:25:28 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-138-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:42 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-46-181.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:27:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:33:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:405c:e444:2378:3484] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:35:29 <DaleStan> planetmaker: Do we really need an Action2Railtypes page? Beyond changing all instances of 0B to 10 and all instances of "cargo" to "railtype", how does it differ from Action2Cargos? 04:36:52 <DaleStan> Oh. And the version availability comment. 04:40:54 <DaleStan> planetmaker: Reading through it some more: Why is it not recommended to define several sets of sprites in a single action 1 and then attach each set to a separate action2? ("it's recommended to use<loadtypes> = 00 00") And must it be documented as legal to have any nument1/nument2 other than 00 00? If so, why? 05:25:23 *** Gar`zzz [~zombiepug@124.189.247.49] has joined #openttd 05:25:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:32 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:28:13 *** Gargami [~zombiepug@124.189.247.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:59:05 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 06:15:24 <roboboy> it seems very quiet around here 06:16:52 <kd5pbo> Yes. 06:17:58 <thingwath> I hear some noise from the trams here, and also the high school across the street (even though there shouldn't be many people yet). :o) 06:23:17 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 07:08:59 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:10:07 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:13:40 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:55 *** mucht_home [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 07:18:55 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:36:59 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 07:46:21 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-217-75.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:46 *** ss23 [~ss23@121-72-217-75.dsl.telstraclear.net] has quit [] 08:07:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:40 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:43 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 08:14:14 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 08:23:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.186.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:35 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:19 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 08:28:03 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:43:06 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:49:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc328c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:53:47 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc328c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:41 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:18 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:34 *** welterde [~welterde@2001:470:1f0b:592:ff:0:1:3] has joined #openttd 09:38:37 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has joined #openttd 09:49:32 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 09:51:22 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@157.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:00:27 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DD23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:15:39 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:39 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 10:32:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@sarah.ppcis.org] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 10:41:22 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 10:41:22 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:56 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:47:02 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:47:59 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:29 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:01:29 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:07 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@229.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:04 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-140-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:14:02 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:22:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:22:47 <roboboy> hello 11:28:23 <SmatZ> morning roboboy 11:28:50 <SmatZ> roboboy: have, by any chance, solved http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=45956 ? 11:29:46 <roboboy> I havent heard anything about it. I can also try it if it is needed by the TTDP devs 11:36:10 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:11 <roboboy> whats the URL for the mercurial repository? 11:37:35 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc328c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@229.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:27 <SmatZ> roboboy: http://hg.openttd.org/ 11:44:53 <roboboy> thanx 11:51:26 <roboboy> whats the best way to work out the mercurial equivelant of a SVN revision? 11:52:20 <blathijs> Don't the commit logs have the svn revision in them? 11:52:37 <roboboy> I see 11:52:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:53:33 <roboboy> unless tortoise hg is broken I get an eror for http://hg.openttd.org/ when I try to do a clone 11:53:56 <roboboy> I get a 404 eror 11:54:56 <peter1138> you can't clone that 11:55:03 <peter1138> you want http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/ 11:55:04 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/ <-- clone that 11:55:41 <roboboy> ah 11:56:46 <roboboy> thankyou 11:56:52 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 11:58:08 <roboboy> now the next thing is to try and get a 64 Bit Windows build out of Visual Studio Proffesional. there isn't an option in the project or atleast I can't see it 11:59:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc328c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:06 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [] 12:00:30 <Rubidium> at the top there's a dropdown that says win32, change that to x64 12:00:56 <Rubidium> if the dropdown isn't there, then you're likely not using MSVC professional *or* you messed up the install 12:01:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:05 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 12:03:08 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:03:18 <roboboy> aha 12:03:49 <roboboy> but I can not select it in the project properties where I set my include and lib settings 12:04:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:43 <roboboy> grr tortoise is a pain 12:08:00 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's so funny, i can steer the head of my cat with my mouse :p 12:10:06 <peter1138> yes 12:10:40 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:10:40 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:13:24 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 12:19:06 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:25:09 <roboboy> do I run patch inside the folder containing the source? 12:26:43 <planetmaker> peter1138, are there conditions when for railtypes more than one load type will be used? For example when using var42? 12:27:14 <planetmaker> the number of loading type otho can (must?) always be 0, right? 12:27:38 <peter1138> no 12:27:56 <peter1138> you always need one set, the loading/loaded type is irrelevant 12:28:38 <planetmaker> Can I define for a good reason more than one set? 12:29:25 <planetmaker> <D@lest@n> planetmaker: Reading through it some more: Why is it not recommended to define several sets of sprites in a single action 1 and then attach each set to a separate action2? ("it's recommended to use<loadtypes> = 00 00") And must it be documented as legal to have any nument1/nument2 other than 00 00? If so, why? <-- that's why I'm asking 12:29:34 <peter1138> no 12:29:38 <peter1138> well 12:29:44 <peter1138> you can define if you like, it won't be used though 12:30:03 <peter1138> it's exactly the same for cargo 12:30:41 <planetmaker> ok, so the question why not merge Action2Railtypes with Action2Cargos wiki pages is quite valid... 12:30:55 <planetmaker> though personally I prefer to have it separate 12:32:29 <planetmaker> but maybe that's bad for maintenance of the wiki, dunno 12:32:46 <peter1138> *shrug* 12:32:49 <peter1138> not my wiki 12:32:56 <peter1138> i didn't realise adding pages cost money or something ;p 12:33:01 <planetmaker> well. It's also OpenTTD's newgrf specification 12:33:02 *** Forgetful_Lion [~Forgetful@ppp118-208-186-179.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 12:33:13 <planetmaker> hehe ;-) 12:33:15 <planetmaker> me neither 12:33:44 <planetmaker> also I didn't know that each edit costs money. As rather atomic changes are not received well either. 12:34:11 <planetmaker> anyway. So Railtypes and Cargos could be joined for their action2 12:36:10 <roboboy> do I run patch inside the folder containing the source? 12:36:57 <roboboy> im confused by patch on windows 12:37:56 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38:00 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:39:21 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:51 <planetmaker> DaleStan, Action2Cargos and Action2Railtypes can be merged, if desired. Same restrictions apply to railtypes as do to cargos in that respect. 12:40:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:44:05 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:00 <roboboy> if I want to compile 64bit on Windows under VSPro do I need to set anything up differently? 12:45:18 <planetmaker> roboboy, just try if it works :-) 12:45:54 <roboboy> I shall try that 12:47:11 <roboboy> it seems I might 12:47:25 <roboboy> I shall finish my Win32 build first 12:47:40 <planetmaker> DaleStan, num-loadtypes and num-loadingtypes does not HAVE to be 01 00, but there's no point to define more as only the first is going to be used 12:50:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has joined #openttd 12:50:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:55:19 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:56:22 <roboboy> hm im getting erors 12:57:24 <roboboy> whats the best way to revert to a clean SVN copy of a patched copy of the source. ie remove the patch 12:57:47 <roboboy> can I do that with patch? 12:58:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:10 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 13:02:48 <Ammler> roboboy: -R 13:03:00 <roboboy> ok 13:03:02 <Ammler> or patch --help 13:03:08 <planetmaker> that only works to revert a specific patch 13:03:18 <planetmaker> otherwise svn revert * 13:03:37 <planetmaker> and then: you're on windows. Everything is more difficult and clicky-coloury there 13:04:08 <Ammler> but you might need to care about new files, which won't be deleted with revert 13:04:27 <kd5pbo> At that point, just re-checkout the source. 13:04:30 <Ammler> I guess, svn doesn't have a function for that, another adv. of hg :-) 13:04:49 <kd5pbo> Delete the directory, svn co whatever. 13:05:23 <Ammler> for i in `svn st | sed -n -e 's/^\? //gp'`; do rm $i -Rf; done 13:08:32 <roboboy> lets see if ive sorted my mess out 13:09:12 <kd5pbo> Actually, you could probably get away with deleting a subdirectory and using svn revert to restore it. 13:10:07 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:45 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 13:11:15 <kd5pbo> Ammler: what does the p do in your sed command? 13:12:51 <kd5pbo> Ammler: Never mind. 13:13:27 <Ammler> print 13:14:15 <roboboy> well it compiled 13:14:36 <roboboy> I don't know whether it had the patch I was trying to apply or not 13:15:03 <roboboy> by the way nightlies seem to take for ever to start up on my laptop 13:15:43 <Ammler> start with -d and watch 13:16:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:45 <roboboy> I shall brush my teeth while I wait for OpenTTD to compile 13:23:48 <roboboy> grr 13:27:28 <roboboy> the enhanced station selection GUI patch seems to fail to compile for me 13:27:59 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:21 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 13:34:15 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:45 *** snorre [~snorre@c9A28BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 13:36:36 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:15 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 13:50:29 *** PeterT [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:31 <Belugas> good day to all 14:09:29 <PeterT> hello Belugas 14:11:37 <roboboy> ello 14:13:43 *** Timmaexx [~tim@port-92-201-101-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:16:06 <Timmaexx> Hello 14:23:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19160 /trunk/src/ (misc/binaryheap.hpp pathfinder/yapf/nodelist.hpp): 14:23:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Enlarge a CBinaryHeapT if the heap is full instead of dropping the added item 14:23:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: CBinaryHeapT::CheckConsistency compared pointers instead of the actual items (skidd13) 14:27:00 *** Timmaexx [~tim@port-92-201-101-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Bye, Bye] 14:27:40 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:01 *** PeterT [~Test@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:37 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:32:53 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 14:32:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:33:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds] 14:33:56 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:36:12 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:39:21 * Belugas is grumbling 14:51:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:06:29 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:53 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:24 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:10 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:28:46 *** supdood [me@c-91c9e655.018-24-73746f48.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:29:00 <supdood> is it possible to save a multiplayer game and continue later? 15:30:56 <Belugas> yes 15:31:18 <supdood> how? 15:31:31 <Belugas> just remember which company you were, open the saved game, open the cheat and set yourself yothat company 15:31:39 <supdood> ok thanks 15:31:52 <Belugas> ho.. and save the game while in mp session 15:31:54 <Belugas> welcome 15:33:06 <planetmaker> there's no difference at all actually between SP and MP savegames 15:33:18 <planetmaker> except... MP savegames have more than one human company ;-) 15:33:33 <planetmaker> usually. I know hundrets with only one company :-P 15:34:27 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:34:53 <Belugas> hehehe 15:35:02 <Belugas> famous ratio: 1 server/1player 15:35:06 <Belugas> or even worse... 15:35:11 <Belugas> WAY TOO MANY SERVERS! 15:37:58 <SpComb^> not all servers are advertised 15:39:00 <Priski> Well at least there is no shortage of servers :) 15:40:08 <Priski> for game like this, it has pretty good online activity 15:43:17 *** Frankr is now known as Guest496 15:43:19 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:46:37 <Priski> "There only 2 modes in programming: The Flow & The Stuckness" 15:49:20 *** Guest496 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:54 *** PeterT_ is now known as PeterT 15:53:41 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:55:43 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:44 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:00:41 <Belugas> i'm stuck in the flow 16:01:17 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:09 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:59 *** snorre [~snorre@c9A28BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:04:11 <Priski> Belu: it's a fabulous feeling, i'm flowing somewhere in the sea of stuckness... 16:04:18 <Priski> with a raft... 16:04:36 <Priski> without paddle... 16:08:50 <Terkhen> as long as you are not drowning... 16:09:40 <Priski> always think positive is a good philosophy :) 16:09:59 <Priski> maybe cup of coffee would help 16:10:44 <Terkhen> usually it does :P 16:15:40 <Belugas> grab your tank, your fins, your mask, your reg and do go down! 16:15:49 <Belugas> coffee... mmmh 16:16:40 *** PeterT is now known as PeterT_ 16:18:06 <Priski> mmm... birthdaycake and coffee 16:26:53 <Belugas> HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 16:29:25 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-29-248-229.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:59 <Priski> thank you, well it's actually tomorrow but I took a early start on cake :> 16:31:15 <Priski> which I now discovered I don't really like... 16:33:15 *** NeCKeLBR [~NeCKeLBR@189.4.84.131] has joined #openttd 16:33:36 <NeCKeLBR> hi there... i need some help with some new grf 16:33:37 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-24-63-246-208.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:46 <NeCKeLBR> can someone help men 16:34:22 <planetmaker> psst folks. He'll leave in 120 seconds if there's no answer 16:34:34 <NeCKeLBR> :/ 16:34:40 <IPG> :) 16:34:45 <planetmaker> NeCKeLBR, certainly not, if you don't ask your question 16:34:53 <planetmaker> meta questions suck majorly 16:34:59 <NeCKeLBR> hehehe :P 16:35:13 <planetmaker> and learn patience. :-) 16:35:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F48B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:35:41 <NeCKeLBR> I'm doing some tests with the FIRS... I want to know if I can change the industries productions 16:35:53 <NeCKeLBR> during the game 16:35:55 <planetmaker> well. you cannot :-) 16:36:28 <planetmaker> I'm quite sure also the manual industries grf will fail on FIRS 16:36:38 <NeCKeLBR> hum... 16:37:14 <planetmaker> There *might* somewhen later be an option for a "scenario mode" so that production can be set, at least in the scenario editor. 16:37:14 <NeCKeLBR> I'm an amateur at the game... I'm from Brazil, almost nobody plays this game here 16:37:25 <planetmaker> And then it won't change anymore. But that's only music of the future so far 16:37:53 <planetmaker> But currently industries produce and one cannot change their output 16:38:05 <NeCKeLBR> hum... 16:38:08 <planetmaker> Industries increase their production though usually, if you service them well 16:38:37 <planetmaker> though those changes are random in general 16:39:00 <NeCKeLBR> nice... good to know 16:39:33 <planetmaker> well. Industries which produce "primary" cargo. Like mines or farms or alike 16:39:53 <planetmaker> Secondary and tertiary industries produce cargo depending upon the amount of "input" they get 16:40:09 <planetmaker> directly proportional to that 16:41:02 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 16:41:10 <planetmaker> may I ask which FIRS version you use, NeCKeLBR ? 16:41:25 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:42:18 <NeCKeLBR> ok thanks... it helps a lot 16:43:25 *** Frankr is now known as Guest505 16:43:26 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:44:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc328c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:46:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f67e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:45 <Hirundo> Yexo: why does varAction2 var 42 (town zone) not exist for airport tiles? 16:50:25 *** Guest505 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:50:49 <Yexo> Hirundo: if there is a need for it it can be easily added 16:50:56 <Yexo> I've just never thought about that one before 16:51:58 <Hirundo> I can imagine a need for it for e.g. in-city heliports 16:52:19 <Yexo> hmm, indeed 16:52:53 <Hirundo> inserting "case 0x42: return GetTownRadiusGroup(ClosestTownFromTile(tile, UINT_MAX), tile);" in the right place should do, I guess :) 16:53:23 <Yexo> just done that :) 16:53:28 <NeCKeLBR> sorry... planetmaker , I use a version that I downloaded from the openttd game 16:53:43 <Hirundo> Then all varact2 vars are the same as those for industry tiles, except for 0x40 which makes no sense obviously 16:54:41 <planetmaker> NeCKeLBR, yes, I assume that. But it tells a version number in its name 16:55:19 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:38 <NeCKeLBR> r217 16:55:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:56:56 <planetmaker> :-) thanks. There's one even older, so I was just curious 16:57:08 <NeCKeLBR> hum... 16:57:29 <NeCKeLBR> is there any brazilian in the development of anything in openttd 16:57:37 <planetmaker> that's the last one which can be obtained from ingame download. 16:58:13 <planetmaker> NeCKeLBR, there's a portuguise and even a brazilian portuguise translation. So: definitely yes 16:58:33 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 16:58:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:58:43 <planetmaker> wb Belugas 16:59:31 <Belugas> thanks 16:59:37 <Belugas> i'm sure i've not missed much :) 16:59:54 <planetmaker> true ;-) 17:00:03 <NeCKeLBR> ok... I just want to know this guys... how can i find them 17:02:00 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 17:04:49 *** NeCKeLBR [~NeCKeLBR@189.4.84.131] has left #openttd [] 17:07:19 <Belugas> muwhahaha!!!! 17:07:38 <Belugas> NeCKeLBR, you're my hero :D 17:08:29 <Priski> :) 17:12:36 *** snorre [~snorre@c9A28BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 17:13:40 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:28:40 <Hirundo> Yexo: What about random action 2 / random bits for airport tiles? 17:29:36 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:29:45 <frosch123> do you have any triggers? 17:30:22 <Yexo> Hirundo: I have no idea how a random action 2 works or what it should do 17:30:33 <Yexo> frosch123: what kind of triggers? There are several animation triggers 17:32:06 <frosch123> random bits can be randomised on certain "triggers" (http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=RandomAction2) 17:32:13 <Hirundo> Stuff for newstations/industry tiles should provide a starting point 17:32:22 <frosch123> as long as there are no triggers you do not need any random bits, pseudo random would be enough 17:32:52 <Hirundo> Although I have no idea how much map space is left for such stuff 17:33:28 <frosch123> so, there are some station triggers mostly train related and some industry tile triggers 17:33:47 <Yexo> ah, yes I've already implemented those triggers 17:34:05 <Yexo> so I think it should alrady work, apart from the fact that currently no random bits are available 17:34:10 <frosch123> maybe one trigger could also be a special result in the state callback 17:34:57 <Yexo> that's indeed something I've been thinking of 17:35:13 <Yexo> but the whole state callback code probably needs to be rewritten 17:35:34 <Yexo> it should be no problem adding that later 17:35:38 <frosch123> there are also random bits for tiles in some cases, and there are random bits for the station 17:35:57 <frosch123> iirc. they were somewhat messed for stations 17:36:51 <Yexo> oh, it's pretty easy to reuse the railstation random bits and add some random bits for aiport tiles in the same spot in the map array 17:43:33 *** Frankr is now known as Guest511 17:43:35 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:48:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:48:44 *** ChoHag [~mking@109-170-148-202.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DD23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:24 *** Guest511 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:19 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@157.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:04:16 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19161 /trunk/src/ (misc/binaryheap.hpp pathfinder/yapf/nodelist.hpp): -Codechange: make the default size of the open list used for yapf a lot lower to reduce memory usage 18:06:55 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:10 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 18:10:00 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 18:20:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19162 /trunk/os/debian/ (13 files in 2 dirs): -Update: the debian packaging; bring it in sync with the packaging used at debian (minus the splitting) 18:20:28 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:34 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:34 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:38 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 18:26:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-29-248-229.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:29:59 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:27 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 18:31:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 18:32:42 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:39 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B759C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:37:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:50 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:50 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 18:41:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:43:41 *** Frankr is now known as Guest516 18:43:42 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19163 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 2 changes by junho2813 18:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 29 changes by mantaray 18:45:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 37 changes by mantaray 18:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by xaxa 18:45:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 2 changes by SupSuper 18:50:25 *** Guest516 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:16 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 18:56:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 18:58:14 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:58 <jordi> I've been looking at the start screen contest submission and they are pretty cool 18:59:50 <jordi> I hadn't seen openfgx in action since many months ago, and I really like them more than the originals, so congrats everyone who made this possible, 1.0.0 is going to be great! 19:01:03 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-29-248-229.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:45 <ragzid> yeah, good job 19:06:15 <ragzid> jordi: have you already voted? ;) 19:09:13 <jordi> not yet :) 19:09:21 <jordi> I like the winter one a lot though 19:12:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:12:45 <ragzid> there is not enough votes, you should :) 19:12:55 <jordi> ok 19:13:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DD23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:24:07 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:01 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:14 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:14 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 19:36:27 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:36:45 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:36:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 19:37:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has joined #openttd 19:37:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:37:18 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 19:37:20 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:37:57 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:54 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:44 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:41:52 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:28 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 19:46:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has joined #openttd 19:46:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:47:37 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:48:11 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:15 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:51:36 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:55:00 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:58:13 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:15 *** ZxBiohazardZx_ [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:06:33 <devilsadvocate> this isnt really ottd related, but _how_ do any of you open the giant screenshots? 20:06:49 <Sacro> same way you open any file :\ 20:07:05 <PeterT> I can open them, but zooming in is a pain 20:07:21 <PeterT> I think it's easier just to upload them to a site, then zoom in there 20:07:23 <Ammler> with SpComb^ viewer 20:07:31 *** ZxBiohazardZx_ is now known as ZxBiohazardZx 20:07:37 <KenjiE20> what sacro said 20:07:40 <peter1138> firstly, install 4 terabytes memory 20:07:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> hey guys /wave 20:07:58 <SpComb^> first, get a 64-bit machine 20:10:16 <SpComb^> win32 only has a 2GB user address space, and you hit that limit pretty quickly - you can't fit the 24bpp data for a 512x512 map 20:10:38 <devilsadvocate> nothing i have opens it 20:10:56 <peter1138> i suggest you delete it :) 20:11:03 <PeterT> You don't have an image viewer, then? 20:11:04 <devilsadvocate> i've tried gimp, gwenview, okular, and assorted randomness 20:11:27 <PeterT> what os? 20:11:30 <SpComb^> devilsadvocate: if you have a 64-bit machine (or a 32-bit linux platform, perhaps) with over 2GB of RAM, then it would fit - it's likely just be very slow with the way apps normally handle images 20:11:33 <devilsadvocate> linux 20:12:30 <SpComb^> http://projects.qmsk.net/pngtile/screenshots/20100123/1936.png#13561:6913:-1 <-- demo 20:12:32 <devilsadvocate> i'm using 32-bit (i686) for some convoluted reasons, with 3 gb ram. some of these things give up, the others throw wild exceptions :\ 20:12:52 <devilsadvocate> hmm 20:13:01 * devilsadvocate will try to set something like that up 20:13:25 <SpComb^> not sure I'd recommend it 20:13:54 <PeterT> How do you set that up? what program 20:13:56 <SpComb^> it's not release software :P 20:14:16 <SpComb^> but it worked just fine on the 32-bit machine with 4GB of memory that I tested it on 20:15:38 <Rubidium> you just need loads of memory, or loads of swap and a kernel that can handle the loads of memory (virtual or not) 20:16:02 <SpComb^> devilsadvocate: what map size? 20:16:39 <Rubidium> now we're going to hear is... 8192x8192 ? 20:17:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:16 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:16 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 20:20:30 <Rubidium> ragzid: rallying for jordi(@d.o?)'s vote 20:20:55 * SpComb^ still needs to vote 20:25:05 <devilsadvocate> SpComb^, 512x512 20:25:20 <devilsadvocate> sorry, had to step away 20:25:42 <Ammler> SpComb^: I did the "dummy" test :-) 20:27:17 <Ammler> what I have collected about the install process: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/710 20:27:19 <SpComb^> Ammler: and it turned up a bunch of issues that still haven't been resolved 20:27:23 <SpComb^> entirely 20:29:36 <aber> How slow is my computer, this takes forever to open this screenshot. 20:30:07 <Ammler> but? 20:30:09 <Rubidium> well, it's 'only' like 32000x16000 pixels in size 20:30:36 <aber> That was the easy task This on is "65472âÃâ32736" 20:31:25 <SpComb^> aber: that's two gigapixels :) 20:31:26 <Rubidium> so it's 2 billion pixels 20:31:31 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:31:37 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 20:31:45 <Rubidium> so 2GB of raw data 20:32:01 <SpComb^> and 6GB of 24bpp data 20:32:06 <Rubidium> unless it tries to open it as 32bpp, then it's 8GB :) 20:32:32 <Rubidium> and the fun it's going to be when it needs to make a copy for its undo function 20:33:06 <aber> 1,80GB Memory consumption. 20:34:24 <SpComb^> and counting 20:35:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:00 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 20:36:39 <Wizzleby> Seems like 20:37:52 <peter1138> http://www.civilization5.com/img/screenshots/screenshot_02.jpg 20:37:56 <peter1138> ^ zomg, 32bpp extra zoom 20:38:23 <SpComb^> those look like sheep dancing in a field 20:40:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:40:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like warhammer... 20:44:39 <frosch123> hmm, nice goal for ottd 2.0: make the landscape hexagonal 20:44:45 <jordi> Rubidium: yep, it's me 20:44:53 <peter1138> yeah, seems like a big change for civ :s 20:45:07 <devilsadvocate> whats the advantage of hexagonal on ottd? 20:45:36 <frosch123> that you cannot build rectangular buildings across multiple tiles 20:46:16 <devilsadvocate> :S 20:46:18 <Eddi|zuHause> that you cannot build rectangular anything... 20:46:49 <jordi> is it really necessary to open the big ones? 20:47:05 <PeterT> That's what she said. 20:47:06 <jordi> I dare not, my box is an Athlon 800MHz (!!) 20:47:18 <jordi> last time I checked, it didn't have lm support. :) 20:48:01 <Rubidium> jordi: nope, just base your voting on the resolutions you can see 20:48:21 <jordi> Rubidium: yeah, I was just wondering what the big ones are good for 20:48:24 <Rubidium> (there're people who've voted on only the biggest savegame, so it evens it out a bit) 20:48:26 <jordi> anyway, gotta go home 20:49:03 <Rubidium> jordi: so the makers of the games don't put a mess there; would look nasty for people with a high resolution 20:49:53 <aber> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/huge-monitor.jpg 20:49:55 <devilsadvocate> well, it would be nice to have a much scaled down version of the giant screenshot - sure.. the details wouldnt be there, but it'be nice to ahve 20:49:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 20:50:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95eb:9201:a923:19d6] has joined #openttd 20:50:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:50:57 <jordi> Rubidium: I guess blathijs already told you the build deps for opengfx are already on their way to unstable, and we'll move ottd to main 20:51:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F48B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:24 <Rubidium> jordi: yes, only after I already knew :) 20:51:55 <jordi> heh 20:51:55 <blathijs> Rubidium has a tendency to know all the Debian related stuff before I tell him (or even before I find out myself :-p) 20:51:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> heya rubi how you doing 20:52:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> hows the 1.0.0 development going 20:52:02 <jordi> are you subscribed to the PTS? 20:52:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> just waiting for that save/intro or? 20:52:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause the 1.0.0 beta i have seems stable 20:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> aber: what the hell does one want with such a screen when you can't sit 3-5m away from it? 20:52:42 <Rubidium> jordi: nope, just watch the -devel logs and q.d.o/developer.php?login=... 20:53:23 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: gives you the full experience; after all, in the cinema the front rows can't see the whole screen 20:54:28 <Rubidium> jordi: and I give blathijs lots of ideas of stuff to 'implement' in the packaging (e.g. the cross-compile stuff) 20:55:20 <Rubidium> or http://rbijker.net/openttd/debian/openttd-dbg.diff (debug symbols stuff, might need some tweaks though) 20:55:30 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: you see there, the guy doesn't use the whole screen anyway... 20:58:23 <frosch123> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4459&pid=61770#pid61770 <- ammler: are you going to pin that over your bed? 20:59:34 *** ChoHag [~mking@109-170-148-202.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:48 <SpComb^> is that a 30" comptuer display, or a TV? 20:59:49 <Ammler> lol 21:01:23 <jordi> Rubidium: awesome 21:02:14 <Rubidium> jordi: needs another go through new though, wouldn't be much of a problem when migrating from contrib->main needs to go through new too 21:04:28 <Rubidium> jordi: the diff is against the 0.7 package, not 1.0 (lzo2 in rules:configure) 21:05:19 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 21:11:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-254-29.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:13:06 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:08 <__ln__> is this normal: "Sollte als Sangria möglichst kalt und als GlÃŒhwein möglichst heiss serviert verden." 21:14:37 <Coco-Banana-Man> verden..? 21:14:51 <Coco-Banana-Man> should be werden 21:15:09 <__ln__> sorry, my typo 21:15:34 <__ln__> v and w are barely 5cm apart on the keyboard 21:17:15 <frosch123> i am not sure whether that sentence qualifies for tautology club 21:17:46 <Rubidium> honor societies? 21:18:26 <frosch123> :) 21:18:30 <__ln__> but i'm actually asking whether it's normal that the same drink is both sangrÃa and glÃŒhwein depending on temperature? 21:18:43 <frosch123> how about ethanol? 21:19:56 <__ln__> pure ethanol is ... not optimal as sangrÃa, i guess. 21:20:16 <SmatZ> it depends 21:20:46 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc328c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:23 <frosch123> maybe better than hot ethanol punch 21:21:56 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:59 <frosch123> anyway both are based on wine and are some punch 21:22:18 <frosch123> and both taste like crap 21:22:40 <Rubidium> metaphorical crap I hope 21:23:01 <Bluelight> Is there a channel for help with routers? I have a weird problem.. 21:23:21 <frosch123> "it tastes like horse piss" 21:23:40 <frosch123> (igorina) 21:23:42 <aber> if it is cold it is bowle, if its hot it is punsch... 21:25:34 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:27:04 <frosch123> Bluelight: maybe you should try a different router, do you have another one? 21:28:12 <Bluelight> Umm Ok.. I got a new router and after being connected some time the network stop working.. 21:28:20 <Bluelight> The router is running and all but when I try anything internet based the net is down.. Then I unplug the TP pach cable and plug it in and the internet is back for maybe 20 mins or so, when it doesnt work again.. 21:28:32 <Bluelight> So I have to unplug and the plug back in every now and then.. And any games prgoressing will be disconnected.. 21:28:46 <Bluelight> I have now tried 3 cables, and also bought a new networks card.. And still get the same problem.. 21:29:16 <Bluelight> Well I have a old router, but I can't run OpenTTD server with it.. 21:29:27 <Bluelight> And the old router is working for some reason.. 21:33:13 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:33 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:35:38 *** Frankr is now known as Guest532 21:35:41 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:36:43 <Bluelight> I have tryed two router of the same type also.. I thought maybe it was the problem, but I get the same problem with both of the new routers.. 21:36:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f67e0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:31 <jordi> Rubidium: right. Its been years since my last move from non-free to main, so I don't know if currently that means NEW 21:37:58 <jordi> Rubidium: but the NEW package can go through experimental, without disrupting the unstable version 21:38:16 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:16 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:38:19 <jordi> Regarding 1.0.0, is ther ean estimate on when that'll be released, roughly? 21:38:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> my question 21:38:53 <jordi> I don't know when Ubuntu freezes, but it'd be cool to have it in the 10.04 release 21:38:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> answer was something like, when it is 21:38:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 21:39:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> the last 1.0.0 beta was pretty good 21:39:14 <jordi> ZxBiohazardZx: right, I'm a Debian developer so I'm quite ok with that answer :P 21:39:17 <Rubidium> jordi: ubuntu's in freeze already 21:39:23 <aber> Its done, when its done. 21:39:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol jordy its the default answer from any developper 21:39:46 <Nite_Owl> Look to The Fool's Day 21:39:49 <Bluelight_> Just got disconnected again.. Any advice on this? 21:39:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> im not developping for openttd (i cant do c++ or whatever) 21:39:53 <jordi> Rubidium: wouldn't be the first time they accept an exception for a networked game, and when the new version is 1.0.0 21:39:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> but im developping for WoW (sql database) 21:40:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 21:40:34 <Rubidium> jordi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule 21:41:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> jordi, do you know someone who is named digitalaxis or gransus? 21:41:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> another guy i met on my wow-private, hes doing some ubuntu developping as well XD 21:41:42 <jordi> no 21:41:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> hmmz kk 21:42:25 *** Guest532 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:20 <__ln__> I guess OpenTTD has already been compiled on ARM for millions of times, so there's no point in doing that for just the sake of experiment? 21:44:45 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:47 <planetmaker> __ln__: there's always a point 21:46:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.53] has joined #openttd 21:48:38 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 21:48:48 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:51 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:55:26 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> one of my hard disks is strangely vibrating... 21:56:34 <Sacro> sit on it 21:56:50 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not particularly loud, but there's a periodic noise difference... 21:57:15 <__ln__> it could also be that the disk is completely still and the universe is vibrating around it. 21:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i can't fix the universe relatively to my position... 21:58:20 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest535 21:58:21 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-29-243-233.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:36 <Bluelight_> lol 21:58:38 <jordi> Eddi|zuHause: how about backups? 21:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> jordi: it's not the kind of noise that makes me worry... 21:59:50 <Eddi|zuHause> more the kind of noise that is annoying 22:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kind of a humming... that gets slightly louder every 2 seconds... 22:00:44 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:53 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 22:01:37 <Nite_Owl> loose screw maybe 22:02:10 <Belugas> bye bye 22:02:19 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 22:02:48 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:03:36 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 22:05:05 *** Guest535 [~markmac@client-86-29-248-229.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:23 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:05:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:07:35 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:05 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 22:10:58 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:23 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F48B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:07 *** Oddysee [~Oddysee@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:17:00 <Oddysee> hi everyone 22:17:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> <__ln__> but i'm actually asking whether it's normal that the same drink is both sangrÃa and glÃŒhwein depending on temperature? <-- it's like "waffle nuts" and "waffle eggs" ... they're the same, but one thing is sold only at christmas, and the other thing only at easter :p 22:18:38 <Eddi|zuHause> (or how they take the chocolate from unsold santa clauses and make them into easter bunnies) 22:19:05 *** Oddysee [~Oddysee@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 22:20:04 <__ln__> the bottle has text in 15 languages, and that glÃŒhwein option is only in D. 22:24:23 <Brianetta> Eddi: Lindt rabbits look much like Lindt reindeer 22:25:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't heard of lindt raindeer... 22:25:50 <Brianetta> http://www.grocerytrader.co.uk/News/September_2006/G_lindt.html 22:26:55 <glx> yeah it looks like the rabbit 22:27:02 <Eddi|zuHause> now i'm certain i have never ever seen one of these... 22:27:06 <glx> they just changed packaging 22:27:30 <Brianetta> THey look different when seen together 22:27:36 <Brianetta> but they're rarely seen together (: 22:28:14 <glx> IIRC the rabbit is taller 22:28:20 <Brianetta> I couldn't say 22:28:52 <Brianetta> I thought it was odd that they were selling rabbits in late November 2009, until I looked more closely and saw that they were reindeer 22:29:29 <glx> http://candyaddict.com/blog/candy_pictures/chocolate_rabbits_candycrate.jpg <-- they are indeed different :) 22:30:20 *** petterhj [~UserNick@c10A6BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... new question from His Holyness... "wtf do you need cargo destinations for?!" :p 22:32:37 <PeterT> neob? 22:32:50 <__ln__> pay close attention to the difference of appearance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sylvilagus_floridanus.jpg http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiedosto:20070818-0001-strolling_reindeer.jpg 22:32:51 <planetmaker> no no. two letters only, I assume 22:33:20 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:21 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:42 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:46 *** Frankr is now known as Guest543 22:35:48 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 22:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what would make you associate "neob" with "holy"? 22:39:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: holy shit?! 22:40:16 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 22:40:48 <Eddi|zuHause> other question: who behaves like he's the (newgrf) pope, and totally acts up whenever the (openttd) evangelists don't listen to him? 22:42:30 *** Guest543 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:54 <planetmaker> which forum is the article you refer to, Eddi|zuHause ? 22:43:10 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 22:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: in the german forum, the ttdpatch nightly topic 22:43:20 <__ln__> booooring, trunk compiled flawlessly on ARM in 29 minutes. 22:43:24 <planetmaker> ah. 22:43:26 <planetmaker> thanks 22:43:32 <Rubidium> __ln__: duuh 22:43:58 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause: That would explain why I failed to find anything with tt-forums search 22:44:40 <Rubidium> it has been for a very long time (for Debian) 22:45:08 <__ln__> 23:44 < __ln__> I guess OpenTTD has already been compiled on ARM for millions of times, so there's no point in doing that for just the sake of experiment? 22:45:56 <PeterT> Eddi|zuHause/planetmaker: So, who was it? 22:46:16 <planetmaker> the newgrf pope 22:46:37 <PeterT> That is his username? 22:47:18 <PeterT> what does this mean? "Entschuldigung, aber nach deinen Angaben wurden keine Ergebnisse gefunden. Bitte Àndere deine Suchbegriffe und versuche es erneut." 22:47:51 <SpComb^> PeterT: no results 22:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: means "fucking search for something that's actually there!" 22:47:54 <Rubidium> isn't a pope 'democratically' elected? 22:48:04 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: what did you use to translate that? :P 22:48:30 <PeterT> translate.EddiZuHause.com 22:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: sorry, i had the intercultural politenesss converter backwards :p 22:48:54 <Rubidium> SpComb^: high school and street linguistics? 22:49:05 <Eddi|zuHause> or, in "New York" mode :p 22:49:43 <planetmaker> Rubidium: well... but by a self-appointed elite of a vanishing minority ;-) 22:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: not all elections are automatically democratic 22:50:54 <planetmaker> ... I unanimously elect myself... ? ;-) 22:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: and you don't actually get to know how they get to the decision... 22:52:16 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: plus, that election is for lifetime and may have happened a long time in the past... 22:53:15 <PeterT> what goes after the equals sign in "2cctrainset.grf = " 22:53:17 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:53:32 <planetmaker> no parameters 22:53:34 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Are you familiar with the phrase "One Man, One Vote"? 22:53:43 <PeterT> Thanks planetmaker 22:54:10 <planetmaker> Prof_Frink: and? 22:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: is that like "one man, one car"? 22:55:23 <Prof_Frink> "The Patrician was The Man, he had The Vote" ;) 22:55:34 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:37 <Ammler> PeterT: 9 22:56:29 <Rubidium> Ammler: is that a word trick for no? 22:56:46 <Ammler> answer to [23:53] <PeterT> what goes after the equals sign in "2cctrainset.grf = " 22:57:11 <PeterT> Ammler: #openttdcoop.devzone 22:57:12 <Rubidium> too bad it isn't a word trick, would've liked that 22:57:23 <Ammler> NO :-) 22:58:16 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:33 *** petterhj [~UserNick@c10A6BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 23:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> like that Conan o'Brien joke. "Today is September 9th, so it is 9-9-9..." 23:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "I haven't heard that many 9s since i dated that german woman" 23:05:24 <__ln__> great :) 23:10:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:10:54 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg 23:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently i never had a movie on a legit DVD... 23:15:05 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:28 <__ln__> my impression is that those non-skippable trailers and FBI warnings are more common on the other side of the ocean. 23:16:17 <PeterT> I don't know, I like the trailers 23:17:42 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... if i HAD such a DVD, i would probably want to watch the trailer for the first time 23:18:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but any subsequent time i want to see the movie, i would find it very annoying to not be able to skip them 23:18:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and obviously i buy a DVD to watch a movie multiple times... 23:19:28 <PeterT> Also, I've always been able to skip over everthing except the FBI warnings with the "Root Menu" button 23:19:35 <__ln__> I have such a blu-ray disc, the new Terminator, ordered from the US. it has unskippable things at begin, including a video that tells about the benefits of blu-ray (hey, i'm already watching a blu-ray on a full-hd tv, i don't need to be educated). 23:21:34 <__ln__> And oh yes, I also have V for Vendetta DVD (R2), where at first you need to select your country from a list of several dozen countries... And the *only* thing that this selection affects is whether you will be shown an anti-piracy propaganda film or not. 23:22:03 <PeterT> so, what do you select? 23:22:10 <PeterT> :-{ 23:22:13 <__ln__> The selected country does not affect e.g. the audio/subtitle selections of the disc. 23:22:21 <PeterT> s/{/P 23:23:04 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:23:40 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [] 23:23:58 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:25:20 <Rhamphoryncus> __ln__: my favourite part about the FBI warning is that it's simply wrong. It denies any fair use rights 23:27:13 <aber> Fair use? You're allowed to watch the movie? But watch out you lock the door. 23:29:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:35:55 *** Frankr is now known as Guest547 23:35:57 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:40:51 *** Forgetful_Lion [~Forgetful@ppp118-208-108-27.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:31 *** Guest547 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:40 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest549 23:46:40 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:46:40 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:47:15 <PeterT> why does openttd need the original grfs even in dedicated server mode? 23:48:11 <planetmaker> use OpenGFX 23:48:17 <planetmaker> and SFX 23:48:29 <planetmaker> the answer is simple: it's not only graphics 23:48:39 <planetmaker> it's for example also map generation sprites 23:52:42 <SpComb^> OpenSFX isn't strictly required, afaik 23:52:52 <SpComb^> but OpenGFX is, for things like vehicle stats 23:53:11 <PeterT> Oh 23:53:45 *** Guest549 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:48 <SpComb^> but all the PCX pixel data in OpenGFX is unused 23:54:17 <PeterT> so openttd just needs the information, not graphics? 23:55:57 <PeterT> is make DEDICATED=1 is the same as ./configure --enable-dedicated? 23:57:01 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920]] 23:58:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F48B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it'a not entirely unused, it's just written to void ;) 23:59:45 <Yexo> no, it isn't