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00:00:46 <PeterT> what is the difference? 00:00:55 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: sdl dependency and stuff 00:01:26 <PeterT> whereas --enable-dedicated only runs a dedic. server? 00:02:43 <glx> configure sets the files to compile 00:03:00 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:03:05 <Yexo> make DEDICATED=1 compiles all the blitters for example 00:03:29 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:43 <glx> unless a configure run skipped them ;) 00:03:59 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest550 00:03:59 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:05:53 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:06:14 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:10:15 *** Guest550 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:58 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:26 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:21:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA1B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:22:03 <PeterT> Where does one set the landscape size in openttd.cfg? 00:22:23 <SmatZ> like, map_x ? 00:23:02 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:23:02 <PeterT> I'll have a look at that 00:23:18 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:18 <PeterT> SmatZ: I mean like whether it is 256^2, or 512^2, etc... 00:23:44 <Yexo> it's 2^map_x * 2^map_y 00:23:51 <SmatZ> Yexo: was faster :) 00:23:57 <PeterT> Thank you 00:26:14 <PeterT> so then "map_x = 10 00:26:14 <PeterT> map_y = 10" 00:26:20 <PeterT> would be 1024x1024 00:26:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:26:22 <PeterT> thanks 00:26:25 <Yexo> yes 00:27:47 <PeterT> what does the config setting "no_http_content_downloads = false" represent? 00:29:09 <Yexo> if true the client doesn't download the content from bananas over http but over a custom protocol 00:31:07 <PeterT> custom protocol? 00:31:22 <SpComb^> BaNaNas protocol 00:32:14 <PeterT> what is the config entry for multiple newgrf engine sets? 00:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B759C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B3C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:21 <SpComb^> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles#Enable_multiple_NewGRF_engine_sets 00:33:58 <PeterT> thank 00:34:02 <PeterT> you 00:35:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 00:36:05 *** Frankr is now known as Guest552 00:36:06 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 00:41:01 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-23-149.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:42:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:43:30 *** Guest552 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:49:04 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-54-114.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:00:46 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:01:10 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:21 *** Maarten [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-76-8.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:05:58 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:29 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-29-243-233.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 01:10:02 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 01:10:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 01:12:52 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 01:13:18 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:09 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:15:24 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:15:27 *** Cameron [~cameronwi@S0106000f6629a51c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:55 *** Cameron [~cameronwi@S0106000f6629a51c.ed.shawcable.net] has left #openttd [] 01:18:32 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 01:20:15 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 01:20:15 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:21 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 01:22:42 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 01:25:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:28:35 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:19 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:30:26 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:23 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 01:31:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 01:33:03 <SpComb^> oh noes, you dropped pig latin :o 01:33:30 <PeterT> I must admit, I was suprised too 01:35:09 <SmatZ> first player to notice after several months 01:35:36 <aber> Ohway onay, atsthay ethay onlyway anguagelay iway eakspay 01:35:46 <PeterT> ...because nobody uses it anyway 01:36:21 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:15 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:52 <SpComb^> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=857352#p857352 <-- ref 01:39:10 <SmatZ> :D 01:40:14 <SmatZ> aber: We are not able to perform translation from the language "Quechua" the language "English." 01:40:19 <SmatZ> google doesn't know piglatin :) 01:40:28 <SmatZ> and thinks it's quachua 01:42:36 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 01:43:34 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:56 <aber> I believe the importance of pig latin is greatly underestimated . 01:45:00 <SirSquidness> aber: if you truly believed pig latin was important, you would be speaking in it right now. 01:45:31 <PeterT> No, since this is an English Only channel! (where is __ln__?) 01:45:32 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-81-36.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:45:34 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 01:45:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 01:46:29 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 01:46:58 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:47:16 <aber> Wobei ich fast glaube das der Eine oder Andere auch deutsch versteht. 01:48:39 <PeterT> that's true 01:52:51 <SpComb^> aber: stop speaking pig latin 01:58:23 <SirSquidness> SpComb^: that didn't look like pig latin :P 02:00:06 <aber> He knows germans don't have humor. 02:00:38 <SirSquidness> lol 02:00:48 <PeterT> SpComb^ is no german 02:01:23 <SpComb^> LÃŒgen 02:01:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:01:40 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest557 02:01:40 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:01:47 <SpComb^> well, I fail on the grammar :( 02:01:56 <PeterT> at gramme 02:02:30 <SpComb^> Allen Kelsey Grammer (born February 21, 1955), best known as Kelsey Grammer, is an American actor, producer, director, writer, voice artist and comedian best known for his two-decade portrayal of psychiatrist Dr. Frasier Crane in the NBC situation comedies Cheers (nine years) and Frasier (eleven years), and providing the voice of Sideshow Bob on the Fox animated series The Simpsons 02:02:41 <SpComb^> In linguistics, grammar is the set of logical and structural rules that govern the composition of sentences, phrases, and words in any given natural language 02:03:42 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest558 02:03:42 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:03:42 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:04:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-254-29.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:04 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest559 02:06:04 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:06:04 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:08:20 *** Guest557 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:55 *** Guest558 [~Dale@c-98-223-99-209.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:59 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:01 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:50 *** Guest559 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:01 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:13:46 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 02:13:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 02:16:08 *** Frankr is now known as Guest562 02:16:10 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 02:23:20 *** Guest562 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:37 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:31:15 <PeterT> what config settings would I need for it not to autoclean passworded or unpassworded, only companies with novehicles? 02:31:28 <PeterT> autoclean_companies = true 02:31:28 <PeterT> autoclean_unprotected = 0 02:31:28 <PeterT> autoclean_protected = 0 02:31:33 <PeterT> autoclean_novehicles = 1 02:31:36 <PeterT> is what I have so far 02:32:10 <PeterT> would that be correct? 02:34:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: sleep.] 02:41:07 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:15 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:42:18 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 02:42:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 02:49:38 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:51:32 *** Razmir [~razmir@23.57.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 02:54:11 *** Razmir [~razmir@23.57.broadband10.iol.cz] has left #openttd [] 02:57:50 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d65a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:02:18 <DaleStan> <planetmaker> num-loadtypes and num-loadingtypes does not HAVE to be 01 00, but there's no point to define more <-- It doesn't have to be 01 00 for cargos either. 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10:27:57 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:49:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:49:20 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:51:19 *** ptr_ [~peter@p210-n239.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 10:57:10 <kd5pbo> Combuster: Why does your nick change so often? 10:58:23 <Alberth> non-reliable connection 11:00:02 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:02:12 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:18 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-29-243-233.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:34 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> he wants to beat the record of nick changes vs. spoken lines ratio... 11:08:28 *** Coco-Banana-Man 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least try it out 12:30:43 <Priski> it would be great to have at least one IRL friend to play multiplayer with 12:31:03 <Priski> with mic and all 12:31:08 <PeterT> i know only one person IRL who plays openttd 12:31:11 <PeterT> that would be my brother 12:31:13 <Priski> :o 12:31:40 <roboboy> one of my friends hates (O)TTD(P) to death 12:32:01 <PeterT> Get new friends 12:32:03 <Priski> I have a sister but I do not know how often she plays it, she just lurks around social media sites all day 12:32:16 <roboboy> and a friend of both of us like (O)TTD(P) 12:32:25 <Priski> :) 12:32:33 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:50 <PeterT> roboboy: Also, you shouldn't use apostrophes in the file name <-- I'm not really sure why, it just messes my patching client up 12:32:58 <PeterT> that's more of a request ^ 12:33:10 <roboboy> ok 12:33:13 <PeterT> thanks 12:33:34 <PeterT> would you like a copy of the win32 build when it's done? 12:33:39 * roboboy kicks peter out of Linux land 12:33:54 <roboboy> I have it sitting on my machine running now 12:34:03 <Priski> I have a solid plan today, just sit on the IRC, with some longbow, copparperg paron, beer and maybe some Doodley's (its that vodka + toffee) 12:34:05 <PeterT> right 12:34:20 <PeterT> Priski: Good plan 12:34:24 <roboboy> its against the nightly OpenTTDCoop are using 12:34:28 <__ln__> *pÀron 12:35:12 <Priski> I can remember how to spell that, lets se it's that good swedish brand cider :D 12:35:24 <Priski> just came from shopping 12:35:38 <Priski> *se = say 12:35:47 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:35:51 <roboboy> If I upload my build, I should name it r19163M 12:36:21 <Priski> why own build? 12:36:28 <roboboy> I have it set to r19163 so I can connect to OpenTTDCoop 12:36:59 <PeterT> roboboy: Your patch is broken 12:37:08 <PeterT> you forgot to svn add watch_gui.cpp 12:37:14 <roboboy> what do you mean 12:37:19 <roboboy> hm ok 12:37:26 <Muxy> welcome to watch company patch 12:37:38 <PeterT> haha 12:37:38 <Priski> that reminds me, I should somehow make that all different OTTD versions use the same folder for datafiles 12:37:46 <TrueBrain> General notice: expect some slowish on our website: syncing new .DE mirror at 50 mbit/s ;) 12:38:01 <PeterT> .DE mirror by who? 12:38:08 <PeterT> Priski: Possible, what os? 12:39:03 <Priski> PeterT: winXp, just modifying shortcuts to use same working dir should work? 12:39:18 <Priski> that what I was thinking, havent tested yet though 12:39:36 <PeterT> just put the datafiles in C:\Documents and Settings\Username\My Documents\OpenTTD\data 12:40:05 <Priski> ah 12:41:05 <Priski> oh fuck, just remembered I just wiped my win AND workdir and all installed games were removed 12:41:16 <Priski> I have no any game even installed 12:41:50 <Priski> too busy to installing phoshop, OpenOffice, Visual Studio C# + Dev tools and such 12:42:17 * Priski <3 C# 12:42:28 <roboboy> peter uploaded fixed .patch 12:43:13 <peter1138> i did? 12:43:53 <Noldo> :D 12:43:56 <roboboy> no 12:44:02 <PeterT> roboboy: damn, I just started making my own :-( 12:44:43 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:56 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:45:24 *** Forgetful_Lion [~Forgetful@ppp118-208-108-27.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 12:49:27 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 12:51:39 <PeterT> thank you roboboy 12:51:41 <PeterT> it's working fine now 12:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> writing to an almost full NTFS disk is no fun... 12:57:52 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.131] has joined #openttd 13:00:10 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 13:02:02 <planetmaker> you need yet another data sink, Eddi|zuHause ;-) 13:02:16 <planetmaker> maybe it should rather be called NewSink then, though 13:02:45 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no, my HDDs are not really full, but they need reorganizing... 13:03:09 <planetmaker> Can be avoided by additional HDDs :-P 13:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have a spare one that you can send me :p 13:03:59 <planetmaker> hm... I guess they're all in use ;-) 13:04:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but really, i don't need a new HDD 13:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i can fairly easily free up like 100GB 13:05:01 <PeterT> just type del C:\* 13:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and another 100GB if i had a faster computer... 13:05:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1dbb:879e:c8b0:7dfc] has joined #openttd 13:05:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:07:33 *** ptr_ [~peter@p210-n239.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 13:07:54 <jonty-comp> hmm, the openttd pastebin has been spambombed 13:09:37 <planetmaker> he, yeah. I wonder if anyone will read it, though 13:09:50 <glx> it's just like any pastebin 13:10:10 <planetmaker> pastebin.ca doesn't accept http:// as far as I remember 13:10:50 <PeterT> the funny part is that they actually try to use html to spam their links 13:11:49 <jordi> what's the point of having voice in an open channel? :) 13:11:58 <Noldo> status 13:12:10 <jonty-comp> planetmaker: it does, I just used it because the openttd pastebin wouldn't let me put the http://links :P 13:12:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek 13:12:24 <PeterT> jordi: Because it's cool! 13:12:29 <glx> I can be op too ;) 13:12:35 *** mode/#openttd [-o glx] by DorpsGek 13:12:54 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 13:13:17 <planetmaker> It allows to continue conversation, if the channel is +m for whatever reason 13:13:30 * roboboy makes DorpsGek feel like the unwanted user in here 13:13:45 * planetmaker pets DorpsGek 13:13:45 <DorpsGek> why ? 13:13:56 *** ptr_ [~peter@p210-n239.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 13:14:09 <roboboy> aw 13:14:35 <roboboy> doesn't DorpsGek mean the unliked person in a comunity? 13:14:47 <glx> it's the village idiot 13:15:33 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:01 <planetmaker> "Dorpsgek is een denigrerende naam voor een persoon die zich niet schikt naar de lokale gedragsnormen en daardoor sterk afwijkend gedrag vertoont" 13:16:18 <glx> you're reading nl.wiki too ;) 13:16:23 <planetmaker> :-P yeah 13:18:16 <roboboy> do the linux versions of OpenTTD hosted on openttd.org count as ports? 13:20:23 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:23:24 <Eddi|zuHause> the binaries available from the website are the official ports 13:23:51 <Eddi|zuHause> there are less official ports in the code that don't have automatic binaries made 13:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and there are inofficial ports in the forum or elsewhere 13:24:28 <roboboy> how does one compile for DOS? 13:24:49 <Rubidium> with djgpp and allegro 13:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause> "make"? 13:25:03 <Rubidium> cross compiling on Linux 13:25:37 <roboboy> does anyone ever check it hasn't been broken? 13:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause> very infrequently, i presume 13:26:05 <Rubidium> not really, because the DOS build has been known to only work in dosbox 13:26:28 <planetmaker> Not on a native DOS? 13:26:34 <Rubidium> or in other words, I couldn't find anybody where it did work on plain old native DOS 13:26:47 <Rubidium> although that might be due to the video cards not being supported by allegro 13:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i have a computer with DOS around anymore... 13:28:12 <Rubidium> also networking probably doesn't work 13:28:20 <planetmaker> I might have. But not a working one :-P 13:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> the oldest computers i have run win95 13:29:16 <ZxBiohazardZx> i had a windows 3.11 till 2 months ago 13:29:17 <roboboy> you could reboot them into DOS mode 13:29:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> damn thing was win 13:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i have win 3.11 installed in dosbox ;) 13:29:52 <roboboy> does OpenTTD require a SVGA card or is that unknown? 13:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: yes 13:30:18 <planetmaker> :-D 13:30:33 *** svip [~svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:30:36 <roboboy> then I can not test DOS OpenTTD on my DOS/Win3.11 laptop 13:30:39 <Eddi|zuHause> TT original ran on 640x480x256, that's more than VGA which had 640x480x16 13:30:55 <SpComb^> 16 colors is a little limiting 13:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, good old games that ran on 320x200x256 13:31:19 <Rubidium> the irony it's still called super vga 13:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause> civ 1, for example 13:31:41 <Rubidium> technically openttd can run 320x200x256 too 13:31:50 <Noldo> I played civ 1 once this year 13:32:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a civ 1 mod for civ 4, but i never tried it :p 13:32:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried to play freeciv, but the civ 2 gameplay looks very limited when compared to civ 4 13:32:53 <planetmaker> yeah. unfortunately 13:32:57 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: oh, try to play TTD 13:33:22 <roboboy> without TDP 13:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: i never actually played plain TTD 13:33:46 <roboboy> I managed to play TTO for a game last year 13:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember i had a "nice" way to force one-way-traffic in TTO (which only had two way signals) 13:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i believe i still have that savegame... 13:36:14 <peter1138> the days when games came on one floppy... 13:36:43 <planetmaker> civ I came already on 4 floppies 13:37:09 <peter1138> doom was quite big too 13:37:20 <roboboy> my TTO came on 3 floppies 13:37:40 <Noldo> need for speed 1 fitted on 37 floppies packed with arj 13:37:47 <Noldo> diablo needed 100 13:38:13 <planetmaker> hehe. Word 5.0 for DOS came on 20 5.25" disks @ 360kB ;-) 13:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds a little much 13:39:00 <planetmaker> I still have that box :-P 13:39:09 <glx> win95 needed a lot of disks too 13:39:10 * roboboy might sleep 13:39:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i only needed two disks for win95 :p 13:39:55 <glx> you had the CD version ;) 13:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> well, my laptop didn't have CD drive, so i had to split the CD into disks 13:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> 1.7MB disks 13:40:33 <peter1138> 13 disks for win95 13:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> one .cab on a disk, and swap out the two disks between the main computer and the laptop 13:41:00 <peter1138> more later 13:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there were more than that on the CD 13:41:26 <roboboy> are there any tools to rejoin split files that will work on win 3.11? 13:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that they split the cd into 1.7MB .cabs was some kind of "copy protection", because win95 didn't allow formatting floppies to more than 1.44MB 13:42:19 <KenjiE20> old pkzips maybe? 13:42:22 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: what kind of split files? 13:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen an "arj" program in ages ;) 13:42:53 <Noldo> need for speed we did move, with diablo we gave up 13:43:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I had a format tool which allowed those over-sized disks, too. 13:43:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a few floppies formatted to 1.7MB with a program called "vgacopy" 13:43:35 <planetmaker> yeah, that was the name :-) 13:44:00 <Eddi|zuHause> handy little tool, that one ;) 13:44:28 <planetmaker> but it was a bit risky. It wasn't always 100% reliable to work on those disks on all computers for that matter 13:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if i still have that somewhere 13:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you get "sector not found" error, if the format is not supported on the drive 13:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but it gets better than that... i had Novell DOS 7, which included "stacker", so i could also compress the disks 13:46:23 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:30 <Eddi|zuHause> so you could fit 2-3MB on one disk 13:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> although win95 complained heavily about stacker compressed disks... 13:47:41 <roboboy> wel vgacopy is freeware so ive downloaded it 13:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Microsoft and Novell really never got along well :p 13:48:13 <Eddi|zuHause> freeware? i was under the impression it was shareware at best... 13:48:38 <roboboy> I shall be using it to get either win95 or nt4 onto my dads old laptop 13:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: the easiest tool to combine files under dos is the "copy" command... you can do "copy file1+file2+file3 filecombined" 13:49:52 <roboboy> hm the version of DOS on this laptop must be too old 13:50:41 <roboboy> it wont let me do that 13:50:48 <Eddi|zuHause> might need spaces 13:51:07 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:51:10 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 13:51:52 <roboboy> whatever it is, it wouldn't work as I used a tool that autogenerated a .bat that used copy in that manner and it didn't work 13:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the next way i could imagine is "type file1 > filecombinded" "type file2 >> filecombined" "type file3 >> filecombined" 13:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> note the first is only one >, the other double >> 13:59:18 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:26 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 14:00:29 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:00:50 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 14:03:45 <TrueBrain> all say hello to our new and latest mirror: http://de.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/ 14:03:52 <Noldo> hello! 14:04:04 <PeterT> hello 14:04:05 <TrueBrain> anyone very close to germany which wants to try http://binaries.openttd.org/ and see if it redirects correctly? 14:04:16 <roboboy> hello 14:04:22 <PeterT> who is the mirror sponsered by? 14:04:52 <__ln__> hallo, neues spiegel! 14:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to work 14:05:03 <aber> Errors found while checking this document as XHTML 1.0 Strict! 14:05:04 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: neuer 14:05:05 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: thank you 14:05:42 <roboboy> how much data would mirror serve roughly per month? 14:05:57 <planetmaker> the web interface works for me nicely 14:06:06 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mirror.txt <- our requirements 14:06:22 <roboboy> if I was still with my old ISP id ask them 14:06:25 <ZxBiohazardZx> This mirror is sponsored by: Studenten Net Twente at University of Twente 14:06:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> works fine 14:06:34 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:44 <TrueBrain> ZxBiohazardZx: that is not a redirect to the de-mirror, but tnx anyway :) 14:06:45 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:06:46 <ZxBiohazardZx> though id prefer the TUdelft one 14:06:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> im not from de 14:06:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> im dutch:P 14:06:59 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: grazie 14:07:00 <TrueBrain> so you should learn to read better :) 14:07:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> you said close to germany:P 14:07:07 <TrueBrain> VERY close to 14:07:13 <TrueBrain> Delft is not VERY close to :p 14:07:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyone very close to germany 14:07:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> now netherlands is close 14:07:20 <planetmaker> closer than to any of the other mirrors ;-) 14:07:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> ;) 14:07:49 <TrueBrain> k, CZ is still taking most of the heat, but ... DE, NL, GB .. they are all very close to eachother :p 14:08:06 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently the "provided by" is a secret :p 14:08:21 <planetmaker> he, yeah, CZ will serve whole South-Eastern Europe, I guess. And parts of Asia 14:08:34 <planetmaker> if distance is the only means to distribute 14:08:40 <roboboy> How much use would an Ausie mirror be 14:08:47 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it partly is .. not completely :) 14:09:12 <planetmaker> I suspected, given my punctured memories ;-) 14:09:24 <Belugas> hello 14:10:40 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 14:12:58 <Yexo> TrueBrain: http://de.binaries.openttd.org/ gives a 403 Forbidden 14:13:05 <TrueBrain> Yexo: yup 14:13:30 <Yexo> oh, that's intended? 14:13:32 <TrueBrain> nope :p 14:13:45 <TrueBrain> my yup was more for confirmation that I noticed :) 14:13:58 <Yexo> ah, ok 14:14:07 <TrueBrain> but it came out poorly :p 14:16:29 <TrueBrain> there 14:16:57 <TrueBrain> I still should remove the whole /binaries part of the URL .. too lazy :p 14:17:03 <TrueBrain> (requires a full resync for one mirror) 14:17:47 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:40 <PeterT> It's fixed 14:20:42 <Yexo> no mention of a sponsor at all for the de mirror? 14:20:54 <PeterT> "Anonymous" 14:22:14 <roboboy> gnight 14:22:20 <planetmaker> night roboboy 14:22:46 <roboboy> and gmorning 14:22:48 <PeterT> good night 14:25:45 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 14:27:08 <PeterT> 5 hours until we have a stretch of 24 without a commit 14:27:34 <Eddi|zuHause> there's still the language commit inbetween 14:28:28 <TrueBrain> still 10+% untranslated 14:28:30 <TrueBrain> sad 14:31:15 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:17 <TrueBrain> Yexo: fixed: "Alexey Polyakov" is the sponsor 14:31:55 <Yexo> still doesn't show, but I suppose that might be a caching issue or something like that 14:32:03 <TrueBrain> yup 14:32:10 <PeterT> Ctrl + F5? 14:32:25 <Yexo> that dosen't help for server-side caching 14:33:41 <PeterT> Ok 14:34:27 <TrueBrain> he most likely will also supply a Russian mirror 14:34:30 <TrueBrain> now that is even more useful 14:34:55 <PeterT> for asian users 14:35:37 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@104.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 14:41:39 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.139.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:07 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@104.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:53 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:56:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:11 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:00:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:58 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:08:47 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 15:21:30 *** mjk [~mjk@p4FDAFB48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:46 <mjk> Wow, 116 nicks here? Nice! :-) 15:22:26 <mjk> Can someone tell me how to enable tooltips for the buttons in OpenTTD 1.0.0.0beta4? 15:22:30 <TrueBrain> I count 124, but okay, normally it is even more busy, but welcome nevertheless :) 15:22:40 <PeterT> mjk: Right-click 15:22:40 <mjk> Yep, /now/ it is 124 =) 15:22:47 <mjk> *testing* 15:22:50 <TrueBrain> nobody joined or leaves since you joined ;) :p 15:22:56 <mjk> Ha! 15:23:03 <mjk> HMM... 15:23:16 <PeterT> rightclick works? 15:23:21 <mjk> TrueBrain: Oh wait, yeah, I misread: "116 normal", but there are also 5 ops and 3 voices =) 15:23:29 <TrueBrain> ;) 15:23:38 <mjk> PeterT: Yes, thanks a lot! Sheesh, never thought of right-clicking the buttons :-} 15:23:44 <PeterT> :-) 15:23:59 <PeterT> TrueBrain: Hear that? You are not normal 15:24:04 <mjk> 8-) 15:24:19 <TrueBrain> I am neither +v nor +o, so I wonder .... 15:24:48 <mjk> Right-clicking could be actually more practical than the usual way for tooltips ... 1) it's faster, 2) it displays only WHEN you want it and HOW LONG you want it ... I think I like it! 15:24:53 * mjk cuddles the channel. 8-) 15:25:12 <PeterT> TrueBrain: Oops then 15:25:22 <PeterT> Well, DorpsGek == TrueBrain 15:26:11 <TrueBrain> it doesn't even listen to me, so 15:26:50 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:39 *** PeterT_ [~chatzilla@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:31:16 <peter1138> 1.0.0.0beta4, eh? 15:32:42 <PeterT> What prevents patches like NewGRF GUI from going into trunk? 15:34:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:43:21 *** Oddysee [~Oddysee@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:58 <Oddysee> i have a few questions if someone would be good enough to answer them 15:44:22 <PeterT> We can't answer if you don't ask 15:44:57 <Oddysee> lol ok first one: how come it sometimes cost me money when a certain train delivers coal to a power station? 15:45:27 <planetmaker> look up feeder services and transfer orders 15:45:38 <PeterT> train didn't make a profit? 15:45:48 <PeterT> eg it's been travelling too long 15:46:01 <Oddysee> oh i see, too old? 15:46:09 <PeterT> I guess 15:46:21 <PeterT> also, look at planetmaker's reply 15:47:23 <Oddysee> it makes a profit overall, but when it gets to the station a cost comes up in red instead 15:47:32 <Oddysee> sometimes 15:48:36 <TrueBrain> happens with transfer orders. At each leg you see yellow text; this is the estimated (temporary) income. When at the end of the trip that turned out to be too much, it is compensated with showing red 15:49:05 <Oddysee> ahh ok thanks 15:49:37 <Oddysee> another question: I'm thinking of getting some NewGRF train sets. If I get more than one, can I only use one at a time per game? 15:49:53 <PeterT> "Enable multiple newgrf sets" in advanced settings 15:50:23 <Oddysee> so i can use all the train sets at once? 15:51:27 <PeterT> yes 15:51:33 <PeterT> if you want to 15:51:40 <PeterT> don't enable that setting in-game though 15:51:47 <PeterT> it may have adverse effects 15:52:33 <Oddysee> ok then thanks, one more question: Its 2002 in my game now and I want to convert my entire train network to monorail. Converting the track is fine but replacing the depots is going to be a nightmare. Any way to replace the depots easily? 15:53:12 <planetmaker> depots are easy. Trains will keep you busy. 15:53:42 <planetmaker> and you cannot convert depots which have trains in it. 15:53:45 <PeterT> there is a patch to auto-convert trains, but I wouldn't recommend it 15:53:56 <PeterT> I tested it and it crashes when trying to replace 15:54:26 <Oddysee> well its easy to replace trains i just can't do that with my current depots 15:54:58 <Oddysee> and i don't want to rebuild them all myself :( 15:55:08 <planetmaker> you'll have to. 15:55:30 <aber> Why is there no thing like two depots joint together? 15:55:42 <planetmaker> no one programmed it? 15:55:58 <Oddysee> aww ok, thanks everyone, you've been a great help 16:00:00 <Oddysee> ok, i think i'll send al my trains to depots, convert track, build monorail depots next to my existing ones, then rebuild my trains 16:01:50 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 16:03:26 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:03 <PeterT> good solution 16:10:41 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 16:11:25 <Oddysee> thanks :) 16:17:11 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:31 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-233-097.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:27 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 16:19:30 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 16:20:33 <planetmaker> industry action0 property #24 - is that implemented in OpenTTD? 16:21:45 <Yexo> yes 16:21:52 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 16:22:00 *** ptr_ [~peter@p210-n239.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:22:12 <planetmaker> I just wondered: Junk yards are neither extractive industries nor organic really. 16:22:27 <planetmaker> But if I don't declare them either, AIs won't recognize them as primary ones 16:22:47 <planetmaker> Thus I could call it extractive now, but disable the station name "mines" 16:23:28 *** Gargami is now known as Gar`zzz 16:34:18 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1242.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:55 <peter1138> so are they primary industries? 16:37:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:37:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [] 16:37:15 <peter1138> are you not 'extracting' resources from junk? 16:37:29 <peter1138> (of course, if you need junk delivered...) 16:38:02 <planetmaker> They're primary industries, yes 16:38:25 <planetmaker> At least currently. 16:38:37 <planetmaker> They just 'extract' scrap metal from the junk 16:40:32 <mjk> Hmm ... Yesterday, placing/cycling signals worked as expected: 2-way, 1-way, 1-way opposite direction. Today, it only cycles between 1-way and 1-way opposite direction. I deleted ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg to no avail. HELP! :-} 16:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> mjk: path signals have no "2-way" mode, so they skip it 16:42:15 <mjk> Eddi|zuHause: Aaaaaaaaah! Thanks! *cuddle* 16:42:21 <mjk> Jeeez ... :-} 16:52:36 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:30 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 16:55:29 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ã§ãã¯æ»çšœãããªãã§ããç§ã¯æ¬æ°ã§ãã] 17:10:13 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 17:11:34 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 17:11:47 <PeterT> IPG: Hello 17:11:52 <IPG> hello 17:11:53 <PeterT> IPG: we have a new server on #jonty 17:11:59 <PeterT> IPG: jolteon offered to host it 17:12:41 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:13:49 <IPG> im on 17:14:50 <PeterT> ok 17:30:26 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:39:29 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:50 *** Oddysee [~Oddysee@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 17:46:34 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ragzid] 17:55:04 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:02:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:35 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:08:33 *** ashb [~ash@callisto.firemirror.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:24 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 18:12:33 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 18:13:45 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:18:04 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 18:20:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:22:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:24:37 *** Splex [~splex@n219078137059.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:16 *** Splex [~splex@n219078137059.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:46 <ragzid> 3 hours spent by finding error in script for iptables... then I found that variable WAN != INET... grrr 18:38:21 <mjk> Welcome to life! :-) 18:38:50 <Belugas> well... ain't really life... but... reality of the virtual world... 18:39:48 <mjk> :-) 18:40:52 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:42:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:42:34 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:40 <PeterT> One more hour to go 18:45:50 <PeterT> Nooooooo!!!! 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r19164 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 2 changes by kasakg 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 19 changes by Tvel 18:45:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau 18:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 4 changes by Hadez 18:45:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: galician - 9 changes by Condex 18:46:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fca0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:34 <PeterT> No, wait! there was a 24 difference between yesterday's language commit and today's! 18:46:47 <PeterT> "Thu Feb 18 18:45:22 2010 +0000" 18:46:54 <PeterT> "Fri Feb 19 18:45:32 2010 +0000" 18:49:26 *** Oddysee [~Oddysee@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:30 <Oddysee> can anyone tell me if a newgrf vehicle set replaces default vehicles or adds to them? 18:50:39 <planetmaker> Oddysee: depends 18:50:41 <PeterT> usually replaces 18:50:45 <planetmaker> usually sets replace 18:50:46 <PeterT> But it can do either 18:50:59 <Oddysee> ok thanks 18:53:56 <Ammler> hmm, every set replaces, but there is also a default set newgrf 18:54:19 <Oddysee> oh i see 18:54:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@22.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:55:12 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:56:04 <Oddysee> oh yeah, i'm using dos graphics so if i dl newgrfs using "check online content" will i get the correct version? 18:56:18 <PeterT> why are you using dos graphics? 18:56:34 <Oddysee> i like them, nostalgic 18:56:37 <Ammler> Oddysee: it supports both 18:56:45 <Oddysee> ok thanks 18:56:55 <Ammler> if you get glitches, change the palette 18:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> Oddysee: you can switch palettes in the newgrf settings later 18:57:18 <Oddysee> ok thanks 18:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, that can't be autodetected 18:57:57 <Ammler> and I would bet, you need to change it for almost every set 18:58:08 <Ammler> as they use windows usually. 18:58:25 <Oddysee> oh ok 18:58:36 <PeterT> you can also mass-change it 18:58:49 <PeterT> quoting from the --help info: 18:58:56 <PeterT> -i palette = Force to use the DOS (0) or Windows (1) palette 18:58:56 <PeterT> (defines default setting when adding newgrfs) 18:58:56 <PeterT> Default value (2) lets OpenTTD use the palette 18:58:56 <PeterT> specified in graphics set file (see below) 18:59:03 <PeterT> That was a bit large 18:59:35 <Ammler> so start with -i1 18:59:54 <Oddysee> lol now i'm thinking of switching to windows graphics 19:00:04 <PeterT> -i 1 19:00:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Oddysee: that should not be necessary 19:01:11 <Oddysee> alright, i won't, if i see any glaring glitches, i'l just change the pallette 19:01:18 <mjk> Hmmm ... when I try to join airports (ctrl-click), it says "Build a separate station" -- why can't I join 2 airports? The right-click-button-help says I could. 19:01:33 <PeterT> You can join 2 stations 19:01:35 <Yexo> there can be only one airport per station 19:01:37 <PeterT> rail and road only 19:01:49 <PeterT> you can't join docks or airports 19:01:50 <Ammler> starting with -i1 seems easy to me... 19:02:25 <mjk> PeterT: Ooooh .. so that's a bug then? The right-click-button help says "Build airport. Ctrl enables joining stations". 19:02:33 <PeterT> perhaps 19:02:51 <Yexo> mjk: no, that's not a bug 19:02:57 <mjk> Yexo: But instead? 19:03:02 <Yexo> you can join the new airport to an existing station, that does work 19:03:13 <Yexo> but there is a limitation of one airport per station (that's not mentioned) 19:03:19 <Oddysee> it seems that openttd has a great, helpful community :) 19:03:27 <mjk> Yexo: Aaaah ... joining an airport to a railway station would work then? 19:03:32 <Yexo> yes 19:03:35 <mjk> Oddysee: Agreed! 19:03:41 <mjk> Yexo: Thanks for the explanation! 19:03:58 <Yexo> no problem at all 19:04:23 <Yexo> in the same way you can join multiple rail station parts in one station, or multiple bus/truck stops, but there can be only 1 airport and 1 dock per station 19:09:27 <Oddysee> it seems i don't have any AIs. Should I simply dl a few? 19:09:40 <PeterT> Yes 19:09:50 <PeterT> Ai Settings -> Check online content 19:09:55 <PeterT> I would recommend SimpleAI 19:11:11 <Oddysee> ok thanks, its just that the AI debug keeps popping up saying "no suitable AI found to load" 19:12:04 *** ashb [~ash@87.106.53.176] has joined #openttd 19:12:34 <PeterT> asb, Git Lord 19:13:14 <Oddysee> oh, i need to get AI libraries too apparently 19:15:12 <PeterT> yes 19:15:20 <PeterT> It should auto-select the need libraries 19:15:28 <PeterT> I just downloaded all of them, in case 19:16:57 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ragzid] 19:24:05 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:44 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:47 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 19:26:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E1EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:04 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host75-61-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:28:04 <Wolf01> evening or not evening... 19:28:31 <PeterT> Hello 19:36:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:41:00 <Belugas> that is the night 19:49:17 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!] 19:54:33 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:57:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbl] 20:02:26 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325558.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:04 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:56 * Belugas stretches 20:33:04 <Wolf01> like a cat_ 20:33:08 <Wolf01> ' 20:33:11 <Wolf01> ... 20:33:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 20:33:12 <Wolf01> ? 20:33:31 <Belugas> like a ... tired and happy guy who finally met a deadline under big fire! 20:35:15 <frosch123> how did you met it? :p did you burst through it? 20:35:46 <Wolf01> gah, I want to continue writing my book, but I don't have any idea :( 20:36:53 <frosch123> err, why do you want to write a book then? 20:38:10 <Wolf01> because I started to write it 20:39:33 <mjk> I have 22 planes which share orders. Now I want 11 of these to share a different order. How would I go about it without a click orgy? 20:40:39 <frosch123> make them both service both orders (alternating) 20:40:40 <mjk> Wolf01: Which book? 20:40:52 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 20:41:07 <devilsadvocate> do maglevs disappear after 2050? :\ 20:41:09 <Wolf01> science fiction, KGB+Atlantis 20:41:55 <mjk> frosch123: Hm, that's not what I want, actually ... I want to have two independent groups of planes/services ... 20:42:36 <frosch123> well, i guess then you need around 50 clicks 20:43:41 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:55 <mjk> frosch123: Aaah, I see I can copy orders! That will make things much easier. :-) 20:44:38 <frosch123> err, what? may I ask what you meant with "shared orders" then? 20:45:22 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Shared_orders#Shared_orders_2 <- i hoped those 20:46:17 <mjk> frosch123: Yeah, exactly ... 20:47:32 <mjk> frosch123: Now I thought I would unshare 11 of my planes, then copy .... aaaaaaah, okay! Yeah, thanks for the hint! Of course ... not copy and then share it "somehow", but simply share them at first. =) 20:47:50 * mjk is confused after being 2 weeks ill :-} 20:47:53 <Belugas> frosch123, i met him while looking at the mirror 20:48:03 <Belugas> HAAAAAAAAARGH!!! you're scary! 20:48:08 <Belugas> finish your stuff now!!! 20:49:15 <Oddysee> ok, to make an add on to an existing newgrf work, do i simply add then apply them both in the newgrf options? 20:49:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EF1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:33 <Oddysee> anyone? 20:59:15 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:00:22 *** PeterT|Mib [0c131eb9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:01:18 *** PeterT|Mib [0c131eb9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:01:29 <Belugas> mmh? 21:01:52 <Belugas> what??? 21:02:55 <Oddysee> to make an add on to an existing newgrf work, do i simply add then apply them both in the newgrf options? 21:05:11 <Belugas> can you clarify? 21:05:35 <Belugas> to make an add on to an existing newgrf work <--- what do you awnt to do? 21:06:17 <frosch123> [21:50] <Belugas> finish your stuff now!!! <- sorry, took me some time to find the answer: http://allane.multiply.com/photos/album/6/Dilbert_on_coffee_and_work#photo=2 21:06:52 <Oddysee> well for example, the UKRS has an add-on to add more trains 21:07:07 <Oddysee> as in another grf file 21:07:29 <frosch123> just add both, usually the addon after the original, and start a game 21:08:01 <Oddysee> ok thanks 21:13:09 <Belugas> haaaa... addon... add-on.... 21:13:27 <Belugas> and not add, as in publicity... 21:13:58 <Belugas> make a publicity onto an existing newgrf <--- what i understood 21:14:11 <Oddysee> lol 21:14:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:14:46 <Belugas> frosch123, that page, sooo true 21:14:55 <Belugas> Oddysee, thus my extreme perplexity 21:16:12 <Oddysee> lol np 21:17:47 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 21:24:10 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc1242.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:52 *** ecke [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has joined #openttd 21:33:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:03 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 21:36:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-95-24.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:38:03 <ccfreak2k> Belugas, that would be "ad". 21:41:30 *** NeCKeLBR [~NeCKeLBR@189.4.116.208] has joined #openttd 21:42:33 <NeCKeLBR> any PT/BR here 21:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> why are your questionmarks broken? 21:44:29 *** NeCKeLBR [~NeCKeLBR@189.4.116.208] has quit [] 21:46:08 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: be nice ;) 21:47:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9BDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:49:19 *** ecke [~ecke@109.74.144.14] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:51:30 <mjk> Is it possible to auto-replace crashed airplanes? (And auto-copy their orders, of course) 21:52:03 <frosch123> no, but you can disable plane crashes in 1.0 21:52:15 <Ammler> hmm, can't you clone the crashed train? 21:52:26 <Ammler> plane* 21:52:29 <frosch123> yes you can clone them ,but is that automatic? 21:52:34 <mjk> Ammler: Yeah (plane), but I want to do that automatically 21:52:51 <mjk> frosch123: Thanks, that's at least an option I can thing about =) 21:52:57 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:53:43 <Ammler> yes, it is auto in the sence that you get automatically the orders :-) 21:57:49 <Belugas> YEAH!@!! 21:57:53 <Belugas> FREEDOM!!! 21:57:55 <Belugas> bye! 21:58:10 <Ammler> :-) 22:04:33 *** aber1 [~Adium@p5B325558.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:06:53 <PeterT> [16:51:23] <mjk> Is it possible to auto-replace crashed airplanes? (And auto-copy their orders, of course) <-- Just clone them before they dissapear 22:09:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the third person that gives the same wrong answer... 22:09:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the only correct answer is "no." 22:09:36 <PeterT> well, "auto" replace them, no 22:09:48 <PeterT> but replace them in general, yes 22:11:35 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325558.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fca0a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:12 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:16 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 22:20:19 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:21:13 <Oddysee> does meing able to buy out the AI opponants make them too easy? 22:21:17 <Oddysee> being* 22:23:03 <Oddysee> they're also ruining my lovely network, i mayturn them off all together :) 22:23:23 <PeterT> you know how to stop a running AI? 22:24:04 <Oddysee> yeah thanks, difficulty settings right? 22:24:23 <Eddi|zuHause> that only prevents new ones from appearing 22:24:45 <Oddysee> oh 22:24:53 <PeterT> stop_ai <number> in console 22:25:04 <Oddysee> ok thanks 22:26:58 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-46-181.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:10 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-73-174.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:32:54 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:40:50 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:04 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 22:48:52 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:17 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 22:49:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 22:50:46 *** mjk [~mjk@p4FDAFB48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:51:57 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:55 <Oddysee> yep, next new game i'm not having AI opponants, kind of annoying 22:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i decided that 15 years ago ;) 22:56:36 <rane> how so? 23:00:20 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:01:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:42 <PeterT> is it usual for GCC to create strange warnings about squirrel? 23:10:59 <Oddysee> lol 23:11:26 *** Oddysee [~Oddysee@cpc4-stme1-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:14:30 <PeterT> The only real advantage of GCC over MSVC is that it actually stops when it runs into an error 23:14:39 <PeterT> unlike MSVC, which just continues and wastes time 23:17:32 <aber1> and gcc has some options to chose from ;) 23:17:43 <DaleStan> PeterT: "actually stops when it runs into an error" <-- Like when gcc can't open an #include and promptly aborts the compile? Oh wait. That's MSVC. (Don't assign merit to gcc for make's features.) 23:18:16 <PeterT> I've never seen that 23:19:57 <DaleStan> Add #include "filethatdoesntexist.h" to the top of any file. GCC will continue, despite the fact that there's an excellent chance it's going to run into hundreds of errors as a result of not including that file. MSVC will stop dead in its tracks. 23:20:23 <DaleStan> Or, misspell <cstido> 23:21:00 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@188.109.249.224] has joined #openttd 23:21:08 <PeterT> I'll take your word for it 23:21:11 <PeterT> My mistake 23:21:18 <PeterT> I've never actually had that situation 23:21:52 <PeterT> On an error in french.txt: MSVC continued until it finished, then said "x Succeeded, 1 Failed" 23:22:10 <PeterT> GCC stopped and "make - *** Error [all]" 23:22:27 <DaleStan> No, gcc didn't stop. make stopped. There's a difference. 23:23:33 <DaleStan> Try again with make -k and watch make not stop. 23:24:22 <Yexo> make shouldn't stop on an error in french.txt 23:25:48 <PeterT> what is -k? 23:25:57 <PeterT> Wait, never midn that 23:26:08 <PeterT> Keep going when some targets can't be made. 23:26:10 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@188.109.244.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:21 <PeterT> So, which is better? MSVC or GCC? 23:26:40 <Yexo> I wouldn't say one is better 23:27:36 <Wizzleby> Matter of tastes and/or needs I'd wager 23:28:48 <PeterT> GCC on msys is good for a quick compile 23:28:54 <PeterT> MSVC is needed for crashlogs 23:29:18 <Wizzleby> I prefer gcc as a compiler because I know how to use it, and I prefer CMake for generating makefiles personally, but I don't generally use gcc in windows much 23:29:51 <PeterT> Also, the CF compiles x64 builds with MSVC pro, correct? 23:30:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r19165 /trunk/src/table/settings.h: -Fix [FS#3629]: vehicle running costs shouldn't be changed in a running game 23:31:04 <PeterT> It's 0, how did you afford that? 23:31:52 <Yexo> IIRC someone already had a valid licence for it that could be used 23:32:11 *** Bluelight_ [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:32:57 <Yexo> PeterT: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=857739#p857739 <- you're most likely missing a cpp file 23:33:13 <PeterT> Thanks 23:33:23 <PeterT> Would you mind looking at my patch file? 23:33:33 <Yexo> if you upload it somewhere, sure 23:33:37 <PeterT> I will pastebin it 23:34:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:19 <PeterT> http://paste.openttd.org/223973 23:34:30 <PeterT> the original patch is in the first post 23:34:45 <PeterT> I just made some minor corrections to match current 0.7.5 version 23:35:21 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 23:35:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 23:35:48 <Yexo> you should add src/network/citybuilder.cpp to source.list and then configure again 23:35:51 <PeterT> Yexo: It got cut off, please look here: http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/citybuilder_0.7.5.diff 23:36:01 <PeterT> ok 23:36:08 <PeterT> must it be in alphebetical order? 23:36:47 <Yexo> yes, or the msvc files wil lchange again when someone uses them 23:36:57 <PeterT> MSYS, in this case 23:37:26 <PeterT> should I add citybuilder.h? 23:37:39 <Yexo> yes 23:38:13 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:23 *** Bluelight_ is now known as Bluelight 23:40:01 <PeterT> Yexo: How is this? http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/citybuilder_0.7.5.diff 23:40:04 <PeterT> updated 23:40:30 <Yexo> looks ok 23:41:06 <PeterT> there were some warnings...should I be concerned about those? 23:41:16 *** Uresu [~Wes@5ace7bae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:21 <Yexo> depends on the warnings 23:41:40 <PeterT> it's not possible to copy and paste while it's compiling, or else it will break? 23:42:33 <PeterT> Great, compilation worked 23:42:57 <PeterT> Yexo: http://paste.openttd.org/223974 23:43:36 <Yexo> NULL used in arithmetic <- I don't like those 23:43:45 <Yexo> nor those passing negative value `-0x000000001' for converting 2 of `Town* ClosestTownFromTile(TileIndex, uint)' 23:43:49 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-233-097.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:44:00 <PeterT> what could they be substituted with? 23:44:06 <Yexo> warning: cannot pass objects of non-POD type `class Money' through `...'; call will abort at runtime <- that's an important warning 23:44:43 <Yexo> warning: converting to `int' from `double' <- using floating point variables in network mode is a big no-no 23:46:08 <PeterT> I'm getting lot's of "invalid commands" 23:47:54 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:48:43 <PeterT> Yexo: http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/invalid.png 23:49:12 <Yexo> you'll have to figute that out yourself 23:49:18 <Yexo> obviously something is still wrong with the patch 23:49:54 <PeterT> That's true 23:50:14 <PeterT> At least now I can use this code to figure out how servers do those "!help" commands in privmsg 23:53:28 <PeterT> Is it strange that the metro track set makes the toolbar pink in windows pallete, but in DOS pallete, it is fine? 23:54:16 <PeterT> Never mind, I was using the wrong GRF 23:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> pink is typical for using a dos newgrf under windows palette, while brown is typical for using a windows newgrf in dos palette 23:55:59 <PeterT> I was using a dos newgrf under windows pallete 23:56:10 <PeterT> but a dos newgrf under dos pallete on a windows system? 23:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the palette has nothing to do with the system