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Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 00:14:56 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:15:59 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 00:32:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:41:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:12 <Zuu> Ah, nice a curling game where I can understand both teams :-) 00:42:35 <Zuu> (sweden vs canada) 00:42:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e32:ea6d:1:9430:d6f3:5032:9a97] has joined #openttd 00:45:32 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-223-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 01:04:57 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:11:12 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d7cc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:37 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:22:37 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:57 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:24:06 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:29:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:30:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 01:39:25 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 01:42:42 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:49:27 <sparr> Rubidium: Thanks for pointing out the distribution of parameters for MoveGoodsToStation. I was stupidly considering mostly high numbers, as in monthly values, without thinking that the function is called with 2.5 days worth of production 01:50:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-131-133.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:31 <sparr> is the date available globally? 01:52:36 <sparr> the in-game date, that is 01:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> _tick_counter, probably 01:55:24 <sparr> the weird behavior of MoveGoodsToStation at low values is due to it using integer math. this explains why people often see splits even worse than expected, because at very low values as much as a 50% additional bias can be introduced 01:56:52 <sparr> would it be feasible to use something like _tick_counter to control rounding the results? 01:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> spontaneously looks like the wrong approach 01:57:38 <sparr> that is, if the result should be 2.8, then it is 2 for _tick_counter%5==0, 3 for all other ticks 01:58:30 <Eddi|zuHause> MoveGoodsToStation is likely called every 256 ticks 01:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ao this pseudo-rounding might be biased for some values 01:59:32 <sparr> well, knowing how often it's called, divide out that factor first? 01:59:57 <Eddi|zuHause> some instances of the daylength patch used improved rounding measures 02:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you might want to look up those... 02:00:06 <Sacro1> Sacro's daylength patch? 02:00:09 <sparr> interesting, I shall investigate 02:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> no, not Sacro's daylength patch :p 02:01:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but possibly Wolf01's daylength patch? 02:02:54 <sparr> if movegoodstostation is called 12 times per month, the second place station would get no goods at all if the production is below about 18 per month... isn't 19 the lowest production? 02:03:54 <sparr> Rubidium: I agree that many people are complaining about the overall state here. I'd love to see the function massively overhauled. I think the /2 penalty is definitely wrong when two stations are tied, and it seems unfair in a 100:99 situation as well. 02:07:38 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the lowest default production is 4 per 256-tick period (about 32 per month) 02:07:48 <Ammler> grad Sweden :-) 02:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but newgrfs might produce any number of items 02:07:59 <Ammler> grat* 02:09:31 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:09:39 <Belugas> youm te doum 02:11:02 <Belugas> my computer choked and froze. might have asked too much of poor old clunker... 02:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i have the same problem occasionally 02:11:37 <Belugas> multi-tracking, emailing, ripping dvd... 02:12:04 <Belugas> that's ba, isn't it? 02:12:21 <Belugas> wish for a real machine... 02:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i was doing video conversion 02:12:45 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:00 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08d2c2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:20 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 02:22:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:31:20 <Belugas> so... commun denominator :) 02:31:38 * Belugas goes back to music editing 02:40:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:56:49 *** Sacro1 is now known as Sacro 03:00:06 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:01:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e32:ea6d:1:9430:d6f3:5032:9a97] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 03:07:40 *** aber [~Adium@p5B324B93.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 03:23:49 <notjotham> is there a way to disable coal or power stations? 03:31:44 <notjotham> are there any must-have newgrafs? 03:37:22 <welshdragon> grab the openttdcoop grfpack, it has everything 03:37:51 <welshdragon> and yes, you can wholly disable industries, but not specific industries 03:39:09 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:51:39 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 03:56:44 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:04 *** gr00vy [cRave@188.107.253.13] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:10 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-149-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:08:52 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest65 04:08:52 *** Guest65 [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:08:53 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 04:18:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:24 <Wolf01> 'night 04:21:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host21-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 04:21:43 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:21 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest67 04:47:21 *** Guest67 [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:47:22 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 04:50:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:53:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ac13:a191:c591:799c] has quit [Quit: bye] 05:04:41 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 05:12:33 <notjotham> does distance that the station is from the goods source (my station has only 1 square of cachement touching the forest) affect anything 05:37:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:54:34 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:57:22 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 05:57:30 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [] 06:09:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 06:38:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:01:02 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 07:02:50 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:41 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 07:14:00 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:52 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:34 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 07:38:34 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:10 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59:00 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:01:23 <andythenorth> morning 08:01:23 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:56 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 08:05:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e08d2c2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:12:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:31:33 <sparr> notjotham: some tiles of some industries only produce or accept or neither. also in a city each building produces and partially accepts separately, so you need to cover as many as possible in the first case, and some minimum # in the second. 08:32:35 <notjotham> cheers sparr 08:33:33 <sparr> also, and this is a crazy broken bit imho... for 'accepts', every tile in between the spread parts of a station counts 08:33:43 <sparr> even if neither part of the station has coverage over the tile in question 08:34:59 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@34.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:35:46 <Terkhen> good morning 08:37:50 <andythenorth> morning 08:38:50 <sparr> is it? 08:40:04 <TrueBrain> and a bloody good one if you ask me 08:41:18 <sparr> good to hear 08:58:19 *** FloSoft [bouncer@tyra.ra-doersch.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:18 <Rubidium> you had your first period?!? 09:06:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:07:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:10:49 *** IPG [~chatzilla@dsl51B6558A.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 09:29:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C7C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:30 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c8fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:50 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:01:18 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest90 10:01:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 10:01:43 *** Guest90 [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:16 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.158.139] has joined #openttd 10:19:15 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19269 /trunk/src/ (3 files): -Codechange: PerformIndustryTileSlopeCheck() returns a succeeded or failed command. 10:22:17 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 10:36:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.202.61] has joined #openttd 10:43:22 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.236.193] has joined #openttd 10:43:53 <Phazorx> is there much diff in map part of the game between current revs and 7.3 ? 10:45:18 <Phazorx> how safely i can import a map made with 191XX into 7.3, considering it's blank map pretty much 10:46:07 <Rubidium> that's going to be a mess I fear 10:46:14 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:46:15 <Rubidium> it's not only the map that changed 10:47:02 <Rubidium> but then the question is "what is pretty much blank"? 10:47:22 <Phazorx> Rubidium: generated map 10:47:30 <Phazorx> no vehicles 10:47:36 <Phazorx> or anything esl playermade 10:47:52 <Rubidium> so it has (at least) towns and industries 10:48:02 <Rubidium> with the possibility of stations (oil rigs) 10:48:03 <Phazorx> and trees :) 10:48:19 <Alberth> would the random generator seed be portable? 10:48:31 <Rubidium> Alberth: not that portable :) 10:48:36 <Phazorx> Alberth: well it has been touched by scenario editor 10:48:42 <Phazorx> and not generated from seed 10:48:45 <Phazorx> based on height map 10:49:17 <Rubidium> Phazorx: just do a diff of docs/landscape.html and src/saveload to see what needs to be changed. I fear it's quite a lot 10:49:34 * Alberth has different ideas about "generated map" apparently. 10:50:39 <Phazorx> are where some hacks/tools i can use just to try importing wo recompiling? 10:50:52 <Rubidium> Alberth: take non-native English speaker's text with a grain of salt 10:51:15 <Rubidium> Phazorx: yes, but recompiling/messing with OpenTTD's code is easier 10:51:37 <Phazorx> Rubidium: it isnt if you lack compiling facility on the spot 10:51:46 <Phazorx> i am trying to figure out a way of demoing something 10:51:51 <Phazorx> which is no my pc 10:52:19 <Phazorx> so deplying mingw/svn and then messing with patching may be more time consuming that remaking the map 10:52:24 <Alberth> starting again from the heightmap seems the best option to me 10:52:48 <Rubidium> anyway, because you asked: select the "none" savegame format in the config file, save the savegame (this saves it uncompressed). Now get hexedit and remove/add/change everything needed to make it a 0.7.3 savegame. 10:54:03 <Rubidium> anyhow, why the need for 0.7.3? 10:54:07 <Phazorx> Rubidium: i take it if there is more than version it aint worth it 10:54:27 <Phazorx> Rubidium: demo is for someone who has 7.3 patched binary 10:54:50 <Rubidium> oh, so it might not even load a 0.7.3 savegame... 10:54:57 <Rubidium> have you tested that already? 10:55:13 <Phazorx> that worked 10:55:23 <Phazorx> doesnt prove anything tho 11:01:46 *** tuinn [~t@84.28.38.109] has joined #openttd 11:07:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:16:14 * OwenS wonders WHY his server has dropped off the internets 11:17:57 <OwenS> pdns_server is running 11:18:53 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 11:19:11 <OwenS> Reachable by ping 11:19:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:19:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffd6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:01 <OwenS> Hmm. My slave nameservers are responding that they don't know about it. Time to file a support ticket 11:26:39 <planetmaker> I'm lost in regex: grep -Ri -o -e '[a-zA-Z/\-_0-9]\+\.pcx' sprites/nfo/* gives me sprites/nfo/wagons/tanklong.pnfo:l/wood.pcx instead of the expected sprites/pcx/wagons/silo-l/wood.pcx 11:27:07 <planetmaker> I somehow fail to escape(?) the "-". But I don't quite see where or how 11:28:50 <planetmaker> or is the problem that "-" is not considered part of a word (grep -o)? 11:29:23 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:53 <frosch123> you have to put the "-" at the start or end of [ ] instead of excaping 11:32:29 <planetmaker> thanks :-) That does the job nicely. 11:39:45 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:42:52 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:45:58 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 11:47:28 <OwenS> Grr. Apparently Edinburgh University have sent me a message through their system (Why? Why not just use UCAS, or *shock* E-Mail?!) but the system is down till Monday 12:01:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:09:27 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:12:13 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19270 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp lang/english.txt): -Codechange: Forward CommandCost results through CreateNewIndustryHelper(). 12:12:44 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@77.200.244.204] has joined #openttd 12:18:29 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.158.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19271 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt: -Fix (r19270): Secondary error messages start with ... . 12:26:17 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:27:49 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1981f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:29:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19272 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Doc: successfull -> successful. 12:30:24 <welshdragon> hmm 12:30:32 <welshdragon> no CIA-1 :/ 12:30:39 <welshdragon> when did he die? 12:30:41 * yorick kills CIA-2 12:30:41 * CIA-2 dies 12:30:50 <Alberth> it changes identity every now and then 12:30:53 <welshdragon> heh 12:31:14 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host21-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:32:44 <Wolf01> hello :P 12:32:52 <yorick> hello :P 12:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: might be load balancing or general maintenance reasons to take one bot out of the channel and send another one 12:36:25 *** Kharza [~thartika@hytti.uku.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:36:49 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:47 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B4700E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:49:00 <planetmaker> http://pastebin.ca/1813362 <-- aaarg! 12:50:39 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/IMGP2059.JPG <-- anyone has ever seen a connector like this one? I suspect it is not standard at all 12:51:26 <planetmaker> Once. Now. In the image you posted ;-) 12:51:33 <Terkhen> :P 12:51:44 <yorick> Terkhen: what's it from? 12:52:02 <Terkhen> a really old laptop 12:52:23 <ashb> power? 12:52:24 <yorick> then it looks like a power connector of some really old laptop 12:52:49 <ashb> Terkhen: are you after a replacement or just enlightenment? 12:53:55 <Terkhen> http://devs.openttd.org/~terkhen/IMGP2063.JPG <-- I have two identical laptops, but only one working charger 12:54:07 <ashb> nice luggable 12:54:13 <yorick> hmm I do know the laptop 12:54:28 <yorick> at least, I know someone who knows the laptop 12:54:47 <frosch123> it has a colour display 12:55:39 <Eddi|zuHause> a 1-colour display? :p 12:55:59 <Terkhen> it's only black and white 12:56:09 <Terkhen> "white" 12:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> someone put tip-ex on the keyboard :p 12:56:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:56:33 <yorick> Terkhen: http://www.old-computers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1695 12:56:49 <Terkhen> yes, that's my last attempt 12:57:24 <yorick> it's not like these things get easier over time :) 12:57:54 <Terkhen> I couldn't fix the second laptop then 13:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: for your amusement: number of consecutive messages by CIA bots in this channel: http://paste.openttd.org/225035 13:01:02 <Terkhen> oh, well... if it is not standard I don't think I'll be able to get a second charger :/ 13:05:26 <Rubidium> it doesn't look standard at all :( 13:05:28 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 13:05:40 <roboboy> ello 13:06:11 <Rubidium> I remember something similar with 4 instead of 6 'connections', but can't remember what kind of hardware that was for 13:09:19 <Wolf01> hi Terkhen, many thanks for the drag&drop roadstops :) 13:12:33 <Terkhen> I still have the connector from the broken charger, I'll ask if it could be adapted when I have time 13:12:45 <Terkhen> hello Wolf01, thank you for the initial updated patch :) 13:13:48 <Rubidium> Terkhen: if you know the output voltage etc. of the charger (and what's positive/ground/whatever) you might use another 'old' unused charger, do some wire stripping and make something that works :) 13:16:20 <Terkhen> I could get that data from the working charger 13:16:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dd16:2963:b0bc:6e84] has joined #openttd 13:16:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:17:48 <Terkhen> I have never done anything like that... 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:-P 14:50:03 <Prof_Frink> Let's dig a tunnel to the centre of the moon. 14:50:14 <yorick> planetmaker: it's the same...remember ;) 14:51:11 <yorick> Prof_Frink: then lets sail to the moon through the tunnel 14:58:38 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1981f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:03 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:03:47 *** Neil` is now known as Neil 15:04:25 *** Neil is now known as Guest116 15:10:19 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1981f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:20 <Terkhen> Wolf01: what do you mean with roadstops and roadstations? 15:15:52 <Wolf01> roadstops are the drive through ones, roadstations are the others 15:16:29 <Rubidium> oh, call them terminal and roro road stops :) 15:20:33 <Terkhen> CmdBuildRoadStop already has that parameter and passes it to other functions, I don't know a nicer solution 15:21:05 <Wolf01> yes, I noticed it, the code has changed a lot since r15400 :P 15:22:17 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-223-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:05 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@77.200.244.204] has joined #openttd 15:28:09 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B4700E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:08 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@77.200.244.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:19 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:15 *** aber [~Adium@p5B325738.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:47:05 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:48:50 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 15:50:51 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.156.226] has joined #openttd 15:57:36 *** Guest116 [~neil-sw@cpc1-wiga12-2-0-cust241.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:01 *** Neil` [~neil-sw@cpc1-wiga12-2-0-cust241.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:05 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc11a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:42 *** Neil` is now known as Neil 16:06:15 *** Neil is now known as Guest132 16:11:37 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 16:12:35 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:13:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-049.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:46 *** Guest132 [~neil-sw@cpc1-wiga12-2-0-cust241.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:06 *** Neil` [~neil-sw@cpc1-wiga12-2-0-cust241.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:54 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-76-2.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 16:27:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19276 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3649](r19229): Newly built road stops were not always repainted. 16:27:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19277 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#3646]: [NewGRF] Ensure prices can't be set to zero. 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Zero prices break a lot of the internal logic to determine whether something has been done [FS#3646] (r19277) 16:41:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: 'Cannot build <industry> here... <industry> in the way' showed the to-be-built industry twice, instead of the to-be-built industry and the industry that's in the way [FS#3618] (r19265) 16:41:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: strgen segfaults when trying to lookup the command for a non-existing command (r19264) 16:44:25 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:52:15 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 16:52:20 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [] 16:52:30 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B4700E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:05 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 16:53:11 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [] 16:53:18 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 16:56:04 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:56:57 <zachanim1> well, those are some interesting title games 16:57:34 *** zachanima is now known as Guest145 16:57:34 *** zachanim1 is now known as zachanima 17:03:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:06:26 <IPG> yeah, i did the whole langfile's revision :D 17:06:29 *** Neil` is now known as Neil 17:07:05 *** Neil is now known as Guest147 17:10:07 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@34.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:29 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has joined #openttd 17:15:00 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 17:26:26 <Rubidium> IPG: the amount you've changed shows that it must've been in not such a good state :) 17:26:36 <IPG> yes... 17:26:42 <IPG> there was many little things 17:27:13 <IPG> there was some problems commented on the thread 17:27:19 <IPG> and I did found some others 17:27:44 <IPG> there was some mistranslations 17:36:51 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:29 *** Chrill` [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 17:43:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19279 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp town.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: CheckIfAuthorityAllowsNewStation() returns CommandCost. 17:52:43 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.156.226] has quit [] 17:53:22 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:01:09 <sparr> Rubidium: would it be unacceptable to use something like _tick_counter to fake rounding in MoveGoodsToStation? that is, if 2.8 goods should be moved, then move 2 on ticks that are a multiple of 5 and 3 on other ticks? 18:03:29 <OwenS> Yay! My bytecode compiler seems to be working :-) 18:03:55 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:08:02 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has joined #openttd 18:08:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:02 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 18:17:01 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:36:04 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:39 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc11a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:44 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc11a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19280 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 10 changes by arnau 18:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 89 changes by Ailanto, kristjan 18:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:45:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: greek - 17 changes by vesnikos 18:45:50 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hebrew - 1 changes by dnd_man 18:50:54 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc11a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19281 /trunk/src/lang/hungarian.txt: -Fix (r19280): typo in Hungarian caused compile failure of the language 18:58:38 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58:51 <glx> IPG: be careful ;) 18:58:58 <IPG> yes 18:59:12 <IPG> omg 18:59:12 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:16 <glx> strange WT3 accepted it 18:59:17 <IPG> i just see 18:59:25 <IPG> hmm 19:02:28 <Rubidium> Terkhen: WT3 is barfing on something again :( 19:02:36 <IPG> hm, sorry 19:02:39 <IPG> :S 19:02:48 <IPG> i did not realized that 19:05:29 <frosch123> quite some nicks start with T 19:05:59 <Rubidium> ah yes... TrueBrain: WT3 is barfing on something 19:06:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C7C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C7C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:31 <OwenS> I can't help but feel that Boost may be being a bit silly when it generates 4kb long symbol names... 19:12:18 <ashb> which part of boost? each library is largely separate 19:12:46 <OwenS> ashb: boost::variant mainly 19:13:00 <ashb> never used that one 19:13:35 <FauxFaux> 27/19:13:11 <FauxFaux> boost faq 19:13:36 <FauxFaux> 27/19:13:13 <nolyc> Yes! Boost will do that. 19:13:37 <OwenS> "boost::variant<long, double, AS::String, boost::detail::variant::void_, boost::detail::variant::void_, ......." is the start of the demangled name :p 19:13:51 <ashb> heh. 19:14:50 <OwenS> It doesn't help that I have some triply nested variants, and each variant takes up to 20 parameters, producing those monstrosities :-P 19:15:20 <ashb> :D 19:15:29 <ashb> gSTLFilt.pl might be in order 19:15:35 <ashb> it doesn't deal with boost very much tho 19:15:44 <ashb> OwenS: that or Gcc 4.5 19:15:53 <ashb> suposedly it doesn't display default template params 19:15:59 <ashb> which would probably cut it down by a lot 19:16:45 <OwenS> That would be somewhat of a relief, the only issue then being the 5 calls required to invoke a visitor on a variant - when you're implementing a program which walks a tree of them recursively ;-) 19:17:37 <ashb> "Doctor it hurts when I do this..." :) 19:17:44 <ashb> aka meta the fuck out of it ;) 19:18:03 <OwenS> It still hurts less than my old inheritance based tree did :p 19:18:42 <ashb> faster? 19:18:54 <ashb> i.e. why did you switch? 19:20:45 <OwenS> Because the old interface was quite painful to use. The new one is only painful to implement (Done!) and when you forget to define a callback (So just copy and paste them from an existing implementer :P ) 19:20:57 <ashb> ah 19:21:23 <OwenS> Also, it makes it much easier for me to make a, say, tree walker which only concerns itself with expressions 19:25:10 <OwenS> (Such as the constant folder 19:45:57 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-201-17-173.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:46:25 <Timmaexx> Hello, 19:46:37 <Timmaexx> found a failure in current nightly 19:46:50 <Timmaexx> which is some minutes old 19:47:41 <Timmaexx> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 32bit, and if i click on search servers programm shuts down 19:48:49 <Timmaexx> someone there? 19:49:02 <frosch123> confirmed 19:50:41 <Timmaexx> nice 19:53:04 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:53:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r19282 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Doc: Add some doxygen doc markup. 19:58:26 <frosch123> hmm, "free(NULL)" is said to work, what about "delete NULL"? 19:58:52 <Rubidium> same too 19:58:53 <Yexo> good evening 19:59:09 <Yexo> delete NULL; is fine, otherwise I've written a lot of broken code for openttd :p 19:59:31 <frosch123> well, it crashes in ~GRFConfig :) 19:59:52 <Rubidium> frosch123: but is that because of NULL? 19:59:53 <andythenorth> evening 20:00:34 <IPG> so, what's up now with the translator? did I make a big trouble? 20:00:50 <Rubidium> IPG: still waiting on TrueBrain for that information 20:00:55 <IPG> okay 20:01:04 <Rubidium> it shouldn't break itself though :( 20:02:07 <IPG> I'm worried about it :S 20:02:18 <frosch123> ah, ZeroedMemoryAllocator does not zero for non-dynamic creation 20:03:18 <Rubidium> that sounds more plausible 20:05:26 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:05:48 <frosch123> hmm, how to solve that... :s 20:06:01 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:31 <frosch123> though in this occurence GRFConfig is not needed, GRFIdentifier is enough 20:14:41 <TrueBrain> a History object of the Hungarian language got damaged 20:14:42 <TrueBrain> no idea why/how 20:15:50 <TrueBrain> hmm ... I hope those pending strings were committed :s 20:16:11 <TrueBrain> lucky I have someone to blame: Rubidium 20:19:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:19:20 <Rubidium> yeah, ofcourse I'm to blame... I give people access to it 20:19:32 <Yexo> frosch123: I can find 3 places where GRFConfig is used as local variable (so not allocated via new), and all three could be rep[laced with GRFIdentifier 20:19:45 <frosch123> already compiling :) 20:19:51 <Rubidium> how it is with msu? 20:20:19 <IPG> I think I should apologize about it... 20:20:36 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you made the correcting commit 20:21:02 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/grfidentifier.diff <- so, i guess something like that 20:22:00 <Yexo> yep, that looks fine 20:22:12 <frosch123> TrueBrain: looks like all strings were committed :) 20:22:30 *** phalax_ [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 20:22:40 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:39 <frosch123> IPG: TrueBrain is happy about every bug :) 20:23:47 <IPG> huh 20:25:10 *** phalax_ [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19283 /trunk/src/network/ (network_client.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Fix (r19256): GRFConfig is not zeroed for non-dynamic construction. GRFIdentifier is sufficient though. 20:27:10 <IPG> do the r19281 downloadable from openttd.org contains the fresh hungarian.lang? 20:27:22 <TrueBrain> frosch123: good 20:27:26 <frosch123> IPG: yes 20:27:33 <IPG> thx, then, I go to test 20:27:36 <frosch123> resp, it should :) 20:27:57 <IPG> :) 20:28:15 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:4e69:a155::1] has joined #openttd 20:33:02 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:33:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-194.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:15 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-254-132.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:35:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:35:33 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-138-196.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:16 <andythenorth> Expanding industries? Doesn't totally suck 20:38:16 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=860071#p860071 20:38:47 <andythenorth> I had an idea to allow FIRS industries to 'expand', but it would be faked by building industry tiles with nothing on them (just empty terrain) 20:40:35 *** IPG [~chatzilla@dsl51B6558A.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:38 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:06 <frosch123> i placed that into the same pot as building custom farm tiles 20:45:18 <PeterT> "[15:44:49] <PublicServer> *** Game unpaused (not enough players)" 20:45:23 <PeterT> Will this ever be fixed? 20:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of "fixed"? 20:54:06 <frosch123> fixed stuff sucks. you should make it dynamic 20:55:00 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i guess mentioning the reason for unpausing when unpausing instead of citing the reason for pausing 20:55:32 <PeterT> Darkvater is back. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=858657#p858657 20:56:04 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.137.49] has joined #openttd 20:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that post is already a week old... 20:56:48 <frosch123> actually tb's post is more fun. i am waiting for bilbo to reply something .p 20:57:44 <PeterT> Perhaps an update to his patchpack 20:58:54 * andythenorth ponders using timetables for once 20:59:49 <PeterT> No, don't 20:59:53 <PeterT> they are made to explode 21:01:39 *** Grelouk__ [~Grelouk@77.200.244.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19284 /branches/1.0/src/lang/ (39 files in 2 dirs): [1.0] -Backport from trunk: language updates 21:05:38 <glx> so the script still works :) 21:06:04 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:06:05 *** erani [eran-@garde.fi] has joined #openttd 21:06:39 <Rubidium> glx: yeah, although... it doesn't work with cases 21:06:55 <Rubidium> so I just did a manual diff after removing the added strings in trunk :) 21:06:59 <glx> cases are bitches ;) 21:07:27 *** IPG [~chatzilla@dsl51B6558A.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 21:07:41 <Rubidium> but the diff was ~1 MiB so I thought it was time to already commit this bunch 21:08:01 <IPG> re, i've been crashed 21:08:20 <frosch123> did you press "search servers" ? 21:08:48 <Timmaexx> hehe 21:09:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:06 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.137.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:58 * andythenorth wishes there was a way to shift vehicles between depots 21:13:05 <andythenorth> 'wormhole' 21:13:17 <andythenorth> there would be some obvious problems :| 21:13:20 <frosch123> how about clone and sell? 21:14:31 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@49.137.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:25:02 *** lewymati [~lewymati@109.243.49.156] has joined #openttd 21:30:01 <Timmaexx> g'n8 21:30:05 *** Timmaexx [~chatzilla@port-92-201-17-173.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100214235838]] 21:43:03 <IPG> yo8! 21:43:06 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 21:43:10 *** IPG [~chatzilla@dsl51B6558A.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 21:43:11 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:53 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:07 <SpComb^> http://yzzrt.qmsk.net/~terom/stuff/s2c7_epic.png <-- Chapter 7 done \o/ 21:50:06 <SpComb^> red ended up having quite a few generals in his HQ 21:50:30 <SpComb^> http://yzzrt.qmsk.net/~terom/stuff/s2c7_final.png <-- yellow was a bit more of a walk-over, though :) 21:50:33 <frosch123> anyone plays that game withou fast forward? 21:50:45 <SpComb^> I doubt it 21:51:34 <frosch123> oh right, the fields were quite stupid in 2 21:51:48 <Yexo> what game is that actually? 21:51:54 <frosch123> settlers 2 21:52:00 <SpComb^> Settlers II - Gold Edition 21:52:03 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:08 <OwenS> Hmm, compiler, why are you outputting a Sub instead of a Jmp? :-S 21:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually don't play fast forward... 21:52:16 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:52:20 <SpComb^> I suspect the campaigns are a little different in the GE than the vanilla one 21:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> gold edition has the viking campaign 21:52:47 <SpComb^> I had way more than enough gold to myself here, all the walkthroughs talk about having to go get it from the enemies 21:53:18 <Eddi|zuHause> you seriously need a walkthrough for siedler? :p 21:53:35 <SpComb^> I don't want to play each mission twice 21:54:02 <SpComb^> the walkthroughs just tell you what general strategy you need 21:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there are different strategies? :p 21:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it's "expand till you meet the enemy, and hope you have your economy running by then" 21:55:08 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:55:10 <SpComb^> there's some useful things to know, like does the AI attack you outright, or can you just catapult him 21:55:28 <SpComb^> in most of the missions, the AI won't attack you until you attack them 21:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: what's wrong with the fields? 21:55:56 <frosch123> they don't disappear by themself 21:56:07 <Eddi|zuHause> they do, but it takes a while 21:56:24 <frosch123> they do in settler 1 21:56:38 <Eddi|zuHause> they disappear faster in 1, yes 21:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes before the farmer can get to them... 21:57:43 <frosch123> in 1 the fields are independent from the farmer :p you can place the farms as dense as you like, one field can be served by lots of farmers 21:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> in 2 you need about 3 fields per farmer 21:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> in 1 you needed more space 21:59:21 <SpComb^> I tend to be way over-sparse with farms 21:59:45 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 22:00:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't have enough farms 22:01:14 <frosch123> in 1 you can :) 22:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause> seriously, i never managed to get grain stored in the headquater 22:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> does s2gold already have the concept of "evacuate building"? 22:04:28 <frosch123> no, but thousands of bread and meat 22:05:50 <frosch123> in widelands i did not encounter that problem 22:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually run out of food 22:06:00 <Sacro> eugh, the s2 economy 22:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and when i try to balance that, i run out of tools 22:06:30 *** aditsu [~aditsu@n119236211017.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 22:09:39 <aditsu> hi 22:09:50 <PeterT> Hello aditsu 22:09:51 <aditsu> so many people here :) 22:10:06 <PeterT> compared to what? 22:10:17 <aditsu> compared to what I expected (first time here) 22:10:25 <PeterT> on #ubuntu at FreeNode, there are 1404 users 22:10:50 <aditsu> but ubuntu is a very popular linux distro, this is "just a game" :) 22:11:11 <aditsu> anyway, I have some questions.. such as: is it possible to replace vehicles automatically when they're too old? 22:11:33 <frosch123> yes 22:11:35 <PeterT> yse 22:11:37 <PeterT> *yes 22:11:38 <glx> autorenew 22:11:42 <PeterT> see advanced settings 22:11:44 <PeterT> what glx said 22:12:30 <aditsu> ah, it's something I have to enable 22:16:30 <aditsu> also I'm having a problem with crashing AIs whenever I load a game 22:16:45 <PeterT> You're having a problem with crashing AIs? 22:16:56 <PeterT> you sound like you're trying to crash them 22:17:22 <aditsu> no, every time I load a game, bam! crash message 22:17:32 <aditsu> after that, it works fine 22:17:51 <PeterT> Make sure you have the latest version of the AI, then try again 22:18:01 <PeterT> if it still has the error message, report it to the author 22:18:22 <PeterT> (take a screenshot, make sure you have the line numbers in them, [xxx]) 22:19:04 <aditsu> oh, you thought I meant "I'm having a problem trying to crash AIs"? sorry, I guess my English is not perfect 22:20:15 <aditsu> I can try 0.7.5 then, it's not considered stable by my distro but I can install it 22:20:35 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@109.94.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 22:20:40 <glx> did you download at least 1 AI ? 22:20:47 <aditsu> yes, a few 22:21:33 <glx> then report the problem to the AI author 22:22:32 <aditsu> all the AIs are pretty weak though :p 22:22:57 <aditsu> (the ones I've seen) 22:24:02 <frosch123> the ais have very different goals. "competitive" is not necessary one of them 22:24:54 <Yexo> how strong the AIs are also depends on your map settings 22:24:54 <Rubidium> aditsu: build a road only network with "rondje" as AI 22:25:09 <Yexo> the easier the settings, the harder it'll be to beat the AIs 22:25:53 <aditsu> I don't use road vehicles.. I think they suck (and they're also too easy to sabotage) 22:25:59 <Ammler> Yexo: remember the time you feared the AIs are too strong? :-D 22:26:23 <Yexo> yes :p 22:26:30 <Yexo> but I guess it really depends on who you ask 22:26:53 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@49.137.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:18 <Rubidium> but... if you don't like the AIs, why not make one yourself? 22:28:04 <aditsu> I think it would require too much work 22:28:21 <Ammler> aditsu: or join MP servers... 22:29:40 <aditsu> yeah I guess I should try multiplayer, I wonder how that works (can you pause? what if somebody disconnects?) 22:31:09 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:34 <glx> try it :) 22:31:41 <glx> but only the server can pause 22:32:27 <aditsu> sounds like a totally different game :) 22:32:50 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:33:42 <aditsu> hm, no AI crash with 0.7.5, good 22:36:38 <aditsu> another question... are all those rail signals and complex station designs really that useful? I found that "1 train/track" can work well 22:37:27 <aditsu> (with no signals at all) 22:38:58 <aber> your tracks aren't long enough :) 22:39:23 <Rubidium> there'll be cases where you simply can't build more rail on the map, but with signals and different designs you can still improve the capacity of the whole network 22:39:51 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:50:39 *** lewymati [~lewymati@109.243.49.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:27 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@109.94.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:53:01 <aditsu> well, thanks for the help, and thanks a lot to the developers 22:53:16 *** aditsu [~aditsu@n119236211017.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.3/20100205171452]] 22:55:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffd6f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:47 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc11a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:59 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-254-132.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. 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