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00:00:45 <Reinbachh> Hmm, the mystery deepens, when I rename one of the files to .mid and try to play it, it's silent 00:01:10 <OwenS> I think we can safely assess it's not an OpenTTD problem then 00:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Reinbachh: if you open the windows mixer settings, maybe midi output is set to silent? 00:02:47 <PeterT> Is it too late to vote? 00:03:11 <Reinbachh> Eddi|zuHause- I just checked that and it was. I've turned it up and it's still not playing. 00:03:23 <Reinbachh> Also the equaliser thing on the jukebox doesn't move up and down, nor does it play at all 00:03:26 * Reinbachh is baffled 00:03:33 <peter1138> no soundfont loaded? 00:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Reinbachh: the equalizer never moves, as openttd cannot get feedback from the midi player 00:04:07 <Reinbachh> Ah ok... 00:04:19 <Reinbachh> I'm 100% sure it's my system though, definitely not ottd :p 00:04:24 <PeterT> Is it too late to vote? 00:04:33 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: yes, 5 minutes 00:04:39 <PeterT> gah 00:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe if you ask nice enough ;) 00:05:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:05:10 <PeterT> Rubidium: Would you mind if I please told you my vote here? 00:08:30 <Reinbachh> Hm, PC won't play midi files *at all* 00:09:07 * Reinbachh shrugs :D 00:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> so much for "definitely does play midi" :p 00:09:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7620E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:09:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76DCE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:01 <Reinbachh> I've got two soundcards in this machine 00:10:09 <Reinbachh> And it's using the one I've mostly disabled 00:10:14 <Reinbachh> Silly computer 00:10:30 <Reinbachh> Mystery solved 00:10:32 <__ln__> surprisingly, the implication "false â true" is false. 00:10:52 <Reinbachh> Yes it mightn't be is. 00:13:08 <Reinbachh> Thanks for your help, I think it'll be fixed after the restart :p 00:13:28 * Reinbachh watches his PC burst into flames 00:14:04 *** Reinbachh [Hoxton@93-96-3-211.zone4.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 00:14:22 <PeterT> That can't be a good sign 00:16:27 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 00:16:43 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:22:52 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:35 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:34:49 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:02 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:46:05 *** rait [~rait@82.131.27.146.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4002, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-02-22 08:48:07 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:46:08 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 00:50:22 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 00:50:49 <aber> __ln__: ? 00:51:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-33-2.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:51:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 00:52:29 <__ln__> aber: bitte? 00:53:16 <aber> Ex falso quodlibet 00:53:37 <Eddi|zuHause> aber bitte mit Sahne? 00:53:42 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 00:54:21 <Eddi|zuHause> ... i wonder if i have this song... 00:55:19 <__ln__> Ex astris scientia 00:55:22 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... looks like i don't... 00:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... why did anybody put "cargo" in "cargodist"? i never get to actually transport cargo in such a game... 00:59:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:00:18 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 01:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and we definitely need a river port that can be placed on flat land, instead of a slope... 01:00:29 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 01:06:57 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: fallen asleep] 01:12:05 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87.196.40.17] has quit [Quit: Arividerchi] 01:12:41 *** _newage_ [~victor@208.Red-81-44-134.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 01:14:17 <OwenS> OpenTTD soo needs a "crashed trains disappear sooner" option 01:21:53 <__ln__> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b7j9v/debian_refuses_to_package_the_embedded_php/ 01:24:43 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:26 <Eddi|zuHause> debian and php is kind of a cold war, i have the feeling... 01:33:14 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 01:34:19 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-149-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:37:00 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:48 <Eddi|zuHause> man, the ship pathfinder is stupid... it can't even manage a simple bend in a river... 01:53:32 <Rubidium> OPF? It's not stupid, it just stops after 4 turns 01:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> 4 is kinda very little... 01:55:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably fine on open sea, but on narrow rivers? 01:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and opengfx rivers need more visible "rocks" in the waterfalls, so it is more noticeable that they cannot be passed by ships... 01:57:21 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d7fc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:39 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: please, I agree :-) 01:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and why can i not build a bridge over a lock? 02:03:06 <glx> glitch prevention in case some use a way too big sprite replacement ? 02:03:39 <glx> like for stations and houses 02:03:49 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:55 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1B904.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:05:53 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 02:10:52 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DDB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:12:40 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 02:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> why is openttd using 10% cpu when paused and minimised? 02:13:06 <glx> music? 02:13:32 <Eddi|zuHause> music is stopped 02:30:52 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 02:30:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:47:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B904.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:04:44 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 03:06:43 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 03:09:01 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09:11 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 03:10:41 <PeterT> zachanima, ello 03:10:49 <zachanima> oh hai PeterT 03:10:59 <zachanima> so wait oh I can still make the vote, right? 03:11:06 <PeterT> No... :-( 03:11:13 <PeterT> Ask nicely :-) 03:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually the vote goes till TOMORROW night :p( 03:12:11 <zachanima> until 01-03-2010 23:59 03:12:12 <zachanima> so yeah 03:12:14 <zachanima> \o/ 03:12:38 <PeterT> OH 03:12:55 <zachanima> well I had better make up my mind NOW, then 03:12:58 <zachanima> or today anyway 03:13:04 <PeterT> Fuck me 03:13:12 <PeterT> I rushed into voting 03:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the spontaneous decisions sometimes are the best 03:14:55 <zachanima> arguably so - or at least might be truest to your feelings (without the abstraction of reason) 03:14:58 <zachanima> or some such 03:15:09 <zachanima> anyway, I am still somewhat undecided between two of them 03:15:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-14-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:50 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're unsure from the screenshots, load them into the game and watch for a while 03:17:07 <zachanima> I have 03:17:10 <zachanima> with all of them 03:17:29 <zachanima> I spent like 10 minutes just looking at each of them in motion 03:17:33 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-26-160.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 03:17:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 03:17:41 <zachanima> so way past spontanity now 03:18:31 <PeterT> I voted for #2 03:18:46 <zachanima> heh 03:18:56 <zachanima> I am undecided between #1 and #3 03:23:30 <zachanima> I can't sleep - so I shall wake up and do the voting 03:23:35 <zachanima> or get up, rather 03:39:40 <zachanima> gee, that took a while 03:54:24 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:57:46 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 04:05:54 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-147-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:00 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-147-159.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:08:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:49f:dded:2a7b:8b32] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:09:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:22:17 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 04:23:11 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 04:32:46 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 12*31*74 04:45:00 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 27528 04:50:26 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:46 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 05:16:22 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:01:59 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-52-229.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:29:33 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:37:28 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:18:49 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:40 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:23:39 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [] 08:24:08 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 08:25:33 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [] 08:29:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:33:35 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:33:56 <Terkhen> good morning 08:48:30 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 08:55:19 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@39.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 09:01:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: using pulse or so? 09:18:49 *** snorre_ is now known as snorre 09:27:09 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.92] has joined #openttd 09:34:46 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:06 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-52-229.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:46 <TrueBrain> slowchat? :p 10:18:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B904.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:32 *** _newage_ [~victor@208.Red-81-44-134.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 10:25:34 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:32:10 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: good morning; would've replied sooner, but then it wouldn't be slowchatting anymore! 10:32:26 <TrueBrain> I agree 10:32:27 <TrueBrain> DOH! 10:34:32 <peter1138> hmm 10:35:23 <peter1138> how can i tell if a rail tile is within a town? 10:35:51 <Rubidium> getting the town zone? As done for houses 10:39:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, i don't use pulse 10:41:24 <peter1138> don't see much relevant there 10:44:24 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:50:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D93AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:04 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-151.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 10:58:44 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:03:12 <__ln__> wisdom of the day: never use NFS for anything on Linux unless you are a thirty-ton elephant 11:04:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:04:55 <Noldo> why? 11:06:07 <__ln__> because in any error situation everything blocks forever, in a non-interruptable way. 11:07:33 <ccfreak2k> NFS is, in general, a terrible thing. 11:29:54 <SpComb^> how does being a 30t elephant help? 11:32:08 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c818.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:31 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D4E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:56 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a168.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:31 <thingwath> No 30t elephant ever had a problem with NFS, I guess. 11:41:41 <peter1138> there's a "soft" mode, which generally doesn't help much 11:48:58 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:55:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc0d89.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:25 <peter1138> DaleStan, do you know of the elrail pylons & wires action5 layout is documented? 11:59:42 <peter1138> (or anyone :p) 12:00:26 <planetmaker> peter1138, I don't know about 'documented', but I'd suspect something like that in the DutchCatanery or CanSet to happen 12:01:31 <peter1138> ? 12:01:55 <planetmaker> or you didn't mean documented in as 'is used'? 12:02:07 <peter1138> i mean documented as in documented 12:03:16 <DaleStan> peter1138: I'm pretty sure the closest thing we have to documentation is elrails[w].grf/ttdpbase[w].grf. 12:04:20 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@188.148.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:04:27 <lestat> hola 12:04:39 <lestat> hay alguien que hable español? 12:05:04 <peter1138> pardon? 12:05:08 <lestat> hi all 12:05:52 <lestat> as do I start server and see me? 12:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to configure your router and firewall 12:06:11 <Eddi|zuHause> @ports 12:06:11 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 12:07:03 <lestat> I have port 7939 open on your router and firewall 12:08:04 <planetmaker> well. wrong port ;-) 12:09:41 <lestat> OPENTTD 3979 3979 TCP/UDP 3979 3979 192.168.1.30 12:09:41 <lestat> openttd 3978 3978 TCP/UDP 3978 3978 192.168.1.130 12:09:46 <lestat> ok?? 12:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> that should be ok 12:10:08 <Rubidium> the IPs differ 12:10:15 <Rubidium> ...30 vs ...130 12:11:36 <lestat> in windows firewall too? 12:14:12 <lestat> ports are already open and can not see the server but I do? 12:14:35 <lestat> or is it takes a while? 12:14:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it should list on servers.openttd.org after a few minutes 12:16:10 <lestat> few more or less? 12:16:41 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's more than 5 i'd start to worry... 12:17:53 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:20:02 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:20:45 <lestat> search my server 12:20:46 <lestat> named 12:20:48 <lestat> españa 12:24:48 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:49 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:13 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:52 *** J1gS9nA4k [~Mesias7.4@109.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:31:36 <J1gS9nA4k> fingers crossed, to see if they are lucky now 12:31:51 * J1gS9nA4k se va a cambiar el nick 12:31:56 <J1gS9nA4k> fingers crossed, to see if they are lucky now 12:32:08 * J1gS9nA4k se va a cambiar el nick 12:32:08 *** J1gS9nA4k is now known as lestat2 12:34:04 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@188.148.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:36 * lestat2 se va a cambiar el nick 12:34:36 *** lestat2 is now known as lestat 12:34:36 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@109.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:59 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@109.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:35:52 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 12:43:24 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@109.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:34 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:09 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 12:52:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:53:07 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:01:39 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@187.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:02:42 <lestat> can not get my server appears 13:03:00 <lestat> I'm desperate 13:03:19 <lestat> who else can I do? 13:04:39 <jordi> lestat: Rubidium told you IPs differ 13:04:50 <jordi> are you sure your network setup is OK? 13:06:44 <lestat> I connect to that ip 130 13:08:05 <planetmaker> yes, but 30 != 130 13:08:05 *** lestat [~Mesias7.4@187.233.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:16 <planetmaker> seems an unstable connection ;-) 13:08:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:11:49 <SpComb^> get a SixXs tunnel and set up an IPv6-only server 13:12:25 <jordi> gg 13:12:48 <jordi> SpComb^: an ipv6 server wouldn't get an outstanding nuimber of remote players 13:13:10 <SpComb^> perhaps, perhaps, but you never know until you've tried it 13:14:42 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 13:21:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2915:d9fc:30ac:ec2e] has joined #openttd 13:21:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:23:15 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: mikegrb, @Belugas, lolman, Kovensky 13:28:50 *** mikegrb_ [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:39 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:29:39 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:39 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:29:39 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:39 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+ov Belugas Belugas] by weber.oftc.net 13:30:21 <OwenS> Sixxs? I;d suggest 6to4 but I realise that would duplicate your problems ;p 13:30:24 <OwenS> You could just rent a VPS :P 13:33:45 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: mikegrb, @Belugas, Kovensky, lolman 13:33:59 <SpComb^> teredo 13:38:45 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:09 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:39:09 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:39:09 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:39:09 *** ServerMode/#openttd [+ov Belugas Belugas] by weber.oftc.net 13:42:16 <SpComb^> "Probably a lot of potential players rejected the game because of old/trivial look in opposition to present-day commercial games" 13:42:19 <SpComb^> their loss 13:42:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought that retro look was the entire point of the game ;) 13:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it isn't cluttered by fancy but pointless graphics, instead it is reduced to pure gameplay 13:45:47 * fjb doesn't like Civ IV for its eye hurting user interface. 13:46:20 <SpComb^> same thing with S2 / S2TNG 13:46:22 * Eddi|zuHause does like Civ IV for its complex and flexible gameplay 13:47:08 * fjb would like the game play of Civ IV with the user interface of Civ III. 13:47:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know the user interface of Civ III, tbh... 13:47:51 *** Koven [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:47:54 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 13:48:18 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: @Belugas, Kovensky, lolman 13:48:33 <fjb> Not everything overdimensionally big and eye hurting colorful. 13:50:19 <SpComb^> one friend already told me that he'd rather play S2TNG than S2, because he "likes graphics and doesn't mind sacrificing a little clarity" 13:51:05 <SpComb^> 2D isometric graphics are a lot more polished than the 3D stuff :( 13:51:16 <ashb> S2TNG? 13:51:29 <SpComb^> Settlers II - 10th anniversary thing 13:51:34 <ashb> ahh 13:51:35 <SpComb^> (or The Next Generation) 13:52:27 <Eddi|zuHause> internally, it's called S2DNG, i believe 13:52:37 <Eddi|zuHause> as in "Die nÀchste Generation" 13:53:35 <Forked> too bad I wont buy settlers 7 .. even if it's good. freaking insane copy protection 13:53:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically the whole opposite of OpenTTD, they focused on new graphics without changing gameplay at all 13:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> except a handful of bug fixes 13:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause> although i do think the graphics look neat ;) 13:54:51 <Eddi|zuHause> they could have used one or two zoom out steps, though... 13:58:11 <SpComb^> quite 14:08:33 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 14:08:40 <Rubidium> yeah, point'n'drool vs good gameplay 14:09:17 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 14:09:34 <Belugas> hello 14:11:04 <zachanima> 'morning 14:12:51 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: But the gameplay was already pretty much ok IMHO :-) 14:13:14 <zachanima> neat. There's a town here in Denmark with a station that, if translated, would be called "Darkness Station" 14:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: that is true, but it doesn't mean there wasn't room for improvement. but i guess the community did ask for an almost-unchanged gameplay 14:23:24 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-89-151.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:57 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:32:28 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:38:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:43:07 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: one thing that is definitely missing is attack by ship. once you settled an island, there's no way that enemies can interfer 14:44:18 <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: Yeah, ship stuff is still a bit lacking (also the lack of management of goods transfers by ship) 14:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and relocating goods between storage houses is... inadequate... 14:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can only see when houses are underoccupied, not when they are overloaded 14:46:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you lack diagnosis tools for which is the bottleneck in your economy 14:49:06 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:57:02 <_newage_> then sort it out 15:02:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a168.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 15:04:55 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 15:07:39 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D4E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:41 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 15:10:53 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:11:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 15:13:25 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 15:13:55 *** patchbot_ [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:01 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:09 *** patchbot_ is now known as patchbot 15:15:40 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:23 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:18:56 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:46 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 15:27:22 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 15:27:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:53 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc0d89.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:49 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 2.0.0.20/2008121709]] 15:33:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:38:00 *** Benshie [~Benshie@90-231-192-232-no112.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:13 *** Benshie [~Benshie@90-231-192-232-no112.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 15:52:06 *** jonty-comp is now known as Guest350 15:53:29 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-149-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:38 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:13 *** Guest350 [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:42 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:50 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 16:27:52 *** mjk [~mjk@p4FDAF971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:57 <mjk> Hiho! 16:30:11 <mjk> How can I use the original TTD MIDI music from the DOS version? I have a 0,4 MB file named "gm.cat", and I can use a tool from the net (tttools.zip) to extract 22 files from it, but when I name the resulting files "gm_tt00.gm" etc., OpenTTD 1.0.0rc1 claims it's the Windows version MIDI files, and that they are corrupted. 16:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd does not understand the dos midi format 16:31:37 <mjk> Eddi|zuHause: Okay, thanks for the sad news. :-} 16:31:49 <mjk> Interesting, that the formats differ at all ... 16:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the dos music files contain some obscure formats optimised for certain sound cards, the windows version contains clean general midi 16:32:40 <Rubidium> the DOS version is something midi-ish specific for a specific 'brand' of sound cards, the Windows version is generic 16:32:45 <mjk> Eddi|zuHause: Aaaah, okay ... 16:32:49 <mjk> Rubidium: Okay, thanks ... 16:32:52 <Rubidium> same that the dos graphics use another palette than the windows version 16:33:05 <mjk> Rubidium: Ah, right, I saw that in a menu somewhere ... 16:33:45 <mjk> At least I'm glad that OpenTTD runs with the original DOS gfx and sfx files. Thanks to the developers! 16:34:41 <mjk> (Yes, I know OpenGFX and OpenSFX, but the orig files are just in case that Open* proves to be not "different" enough from the originals and some assh^Wlawyer/judge claims it's not free) 16:38:37 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:57:03 * Belugas yawns 16:57:11 * Belugas looks at the clock and is desperate 16:59:38 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:03:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's already 18:00 17:04:08 *** phunkee [~phunkee@115.84-49-88.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:04:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7258.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:57 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:32 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:08:37 *** phunkee [~phunkee@115.84-49-88.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 17:13:59 *** tuinn [~t@ip9135153a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:49 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:56 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 17:23:53 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 17:23:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:24:39 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:25:24 <OwenS> Why do people make crappy JPEGS then upload PNG conversions of them? 17:26:02 <Rubidium> OwenS: are you sure? Maybe it's the forums dimwitty resize "feature" 17:26:31 <OwenS> Oh no 17:26:35 <OwenS> Opera Turbo has enabled itself 17:26:41 <OwenS> My connection is obviously sucking 17:26:42 <Rubidium> (the one that converts a 200 KiB 1-pixel-too-big png to a 800+ KiB png) 17:27:15 <OwenS> There, much better 17:28:20 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B00F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:28 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:55 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:09 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:47:02 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.106.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:10 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:27 <SpComb^> darn, you can't transport boats between islands in S2 :o 18:02:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:06:57 <Rubidium> SpComb^: use IS2 18:07:10 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 18:07:47 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:08:43 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:08:52 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 18:09:19 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 18:09:32 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:16:45 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:18:28 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:09 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. 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Not necessarily with full-zoom-support, but the nice 32bpp graphics. 19:33:34 <peter1138> yes 19:33:42 <mjk> Yippiiiiieh! 19:33:49 <peter1138> and, indeed 0.7.x, and 0.6.x (i think) 19:34:08 <mjk> So I'll try ... 19:34:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19297 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Variable scope and documentation of DoCreateNewIndustry(). 19:35:49 <SpComb^> lolwtf, just found 255 boats in one harbor building 19:37:15 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:20 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:40:23 <mjk> Hmmm ... is there any object on the 1.0.0rc1 intro screen where I could see a noticable 32bpp improvemtn? Because I think it doesn't work (yet). 19:42:24 <frosch123> just turn on transparency 19:42:35 <mjk> Checking 19:42:38 <frosch123> or font antialiasing 19:42:38 <Rubidium> mjk: depends on the blitter and whether you've got the right grahpics 19:43:00 <mjk> As far as I understood, copying the content of the "32Bpp Graphics Base Set" to ~/.openttd/data should be enough ... so I unpacked the .7z file and put the resulting sprites/ directory into ~/.openttd/data 19:43:38 <frosch123> most important: you have to start it with "-b 32bpp-optimized" or "-b 32bpp-anim" 19:43:43 <frosch123> resp. set it in openttd.cfg 19:44:03 <mjk> frosch123: A-haaa! Will try ... 19:44:05 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:46:29 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:02 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:47:08 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:24 <__ln__> gaah. okay, *now* my NFS server finally got back operational and all the blocked processes on another system were unblocked. 19:49:45 <mjk> Interesting. The only difference (also switched transparency on/off with "x") I can see that with "-b 32bpp-*", the mouse cursor looks more like the original. Everything else seems the usual 8bpp dithered gfx ... 19:50:07 <mjk> __ln__: NFS suxx, we know ... :-/ 19:50:17 <mjk> __ln__: (Even with operational hardware) 19:50:25 <__ln__> 13:03 < __ln__> wisdom of the day: never use NFS for anything on Linux unless you are a thirty-ton elephant 19:51:12 <mjk> __ln__: Damn, too late. :-} Using NFS for exported $HOME ... including Maildir-style mailbox. No, new mail checking was more reliable w/o NFS. 19:51:15 <mjk> *sigh* 19:52:40 <mjk> Is there anything I'm missing: OpenTTD 1.0.0rc1 + 19:53:01 <mjk> Is there anything I'm missing: OpenTTD 1.0.0rc1 + OpenGfx + OpenSfx (unused) + 32 Bpp Gfx Base Set + 32 Bpp Full Tar Pack? 19:53:18 <mjk> And "-b 32bpp-anim/optimized", of course. 19:53:42 <Rubidium> might be that the bases gfx things depend on the original graphics or so 19:53:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19298 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] segfault when station vars 0xF2/0xF3 is accessed when there is no truck/bus stop 19:54:02 <mjk> Rubidium: Okay, I got the DOS original, will try that ... 19:54:18 <Rubidium> it's just that "nobody" seems to want to use 32bpp, so it probably does not work very well 19:54:34 <peter1138> at least you don't need to untar them now :D 19:54:37 <Rubidium> mjk: and then probably only the window version of the graphics 19:55:55 <mjk> Rubidium: Grmf, damn ... 19:56:23 <frosch123> if you untar it hte foldername has to match the .grf files 19:56:23 <mjk> Rubidium: Interesting ... why is that so? It's so much nicer! On the screenshots at least ... 19:56:47 <peter1138> there are screenshots? 19:56:57 <peter1138> the full-zoom packs are not even compatible with trunk's 32bpp, so... 19:57:37 <Rubidium> mjk: the dos graphics is very seldomly used 19:57:39 <mjk> frosch123: for the 32bpp base gfx set, that's true, e.g. I have: ~/.openttd/data/opengfx1_base.grf and ~/.openttd/data/sprites/opengfx1_base/ 19:58:01 <mjk> Rubidium: Yes, I thought I'd bought the Windows version, because it came on CD ... 19:58:17 <mjk> Rubidium: But it seems the DOS version also came on CD ... 19:58:23 <mjk> Rubidium: The DOS files are 16 MB. 19:58:54 <mjk> frosch123: The full tar pack has only TAR files, however. 19:58:55 <frosch123> with opengfx it should work :) 19:59:14 <mjk> frosch123: *growl* Seems to work for everyone except for li'l mjk :-( 19:59:16 *** PeterT_ [~PeterT@c-65-96-204-251.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59:20 <peter1138> mjk, the only difference, for 32bpp purposes, is the directory name 20:00:46 <mjk> peter1138: So ~/.openttd/data/opengfx1_base.grf and ~/.openttd/data/sprites/opengfx1_base/ is okay? OpenTTD will override the files in ~/.openttd/data with the files from ~/.openttd/data/sprites? 20:01:07 <peter1138> probably :s 20:01:13 <mjk> peter1138: :-} 20:02:47 <mjk> Oh well, it seems I have to wait until the 32bpp (and maybe the full-zoom-support) gets officially supported ... I shouldn't be so impatient at my age. ;-) 20:02:56 <mjk> Thanks for your help anyway, folks! 20:03:15 * OwenS ponders why ld cant find symbols supposedly generated by my explicit template specialization 20:03:24 <Belugas> mmh... why wold you say that? There is an age to be patient? 20:03:39 <peter1138> mjk, sure they're not graphics for extra zoom? heh 20:04:16 <mjk> Belugas: Yeah, when you're so old that you have to wait for the nurse. ;-) 20:04:28 <Belugas> hehehe 20:04:38 <mjk> peter1138: Hmm ... I downloaded them from http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=46682 20:04:49 <Belugas> at that age, you actually forget that there is a nurse coming in ! 20:05:04 <peter1138> then that will be graphics for extra zoom 20:05:04 <mjk> peter1138: Though the post says "OTTD with Full zoom support", I didn't think that they needed different versions ... 20:05:08 <mjk> Belugas: |-) 20:05:14 <mjk> peter1138: Damn. 20:05:29 <peter1138> the author of the patches decided to make it non-compatible 20:05:31 <mjk> peter1138: You don't happen to have a link for the 32bpp (w/o Zoom) files? 20:05:36 <mjk> peter1138: Oh great ... 20:05:47 <mjk> peter1138: We need more versions !!!111oneeleven 20:07:19 <frosch123> mjk: if you use opengfx 32bpp from dev.openttdcoop.org you can easily notice its presence by looking at the openttd letters in the intro menu 20:07:32 <mjk> That's not fair ... everything that says only "32bpp" is actually "32bpp full zoom" 20:07:44 <mjk> frosch123: *checking* 20:09:06 <frosch123> but despite of that it only contains 3 toyland houses, mabye one tropical, and the info icon :) 20:09:52 <peter1138> heh, yeah, not very complete 20:13:56 <mjk> ARGH!!! 20:14:10 <mjk> What is the FSCKing matter? Am I too stupid to copy files??!! 20:14:19 <mjk> I .... I .... 20:14:21 <mjk> I despair. 20:15:03 <mjk> I can see the graphics with a picture viewer, yes. But the absolutely do not appear in the game. Not with -b 32bpp-anim and not with -b 32bpp-optimized 20:15:14 <mjk> Am I too old? I'm 38. 20:16:09 <frosch123> i have ~/.openttd/data/sprites/ogfx1_base/4627.png, 32bpp-anim and the opengfx 8bpp base set 20:16:42 <peter1138> not too old, just less young 20:16:49 <mjk> :-} 20:16:59 <mjk> what, what, what??! sprites? Okay, will copy it to that directory -- the original hierarchy in the zip file was: data/opengfx1_base/.... 20:17:23 <mjk> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:17:24 <frosch123> 8bpp opengfx has yellow letters, when 32bpp is activated they become - hmm - a bit blue 20:17:29 <mjk> FINALLY! 20:17:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r19299 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 20:17:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: store the most compatible ttd airport type in AirportSpec 20:17:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: [NewGRF] return the ttd airport type in station var 0xF1 20:17:40 <peter1138> it works. now you just need to find grpahics... :s 20:17:42 <mjk> Now I want the balls of the guy who packed that zip file! 20:17:46 <mjk> His balls! NOW! 20:18:06 * mjk tries to cool down -- by looking at the new 32bpp logo ;-) 20:18:09 <frosch123> just open a task at their bug tracker :) 20:18:13 <mjk> frosch123: :-)) 20:18:16 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc0d89.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:17 <mjk> frosch123: Thanks a zillion! 20:18:48 <mjk> Bug trackers ... tried to register for the openttd bts, but to no avail ... 20:19:11 <frosch123> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/opengfx32bpp/issues <- there 20:19:18 <mjk> I hate it when there is no standard, GUI-less bug reporting tool ... 20:19:22 <mjk> frosch123: Will try ... 20:20:05 * Rubidium considers HTTP and HTML to be standards 20:20:17 * Rubidium also considers telnet/nc GUI-less 20:20:38 <mjk> Rubidium: Errr ... well ... GUI-less, but also ... USE-less. :-) 20:20:52 <mjk> Rubidium: I thought more of a ncurses/CLI based tool. 20:20:57 <mjk> Like "reportbug" in Debian. 20:21:16 <Rubidium> then report it there 20:21:22 <Ammler> frosch123: that isn't 32bpp project... 20:21:34 <frosch123> not? 20:21:42 <planetmaker> There is none really ;-) 20:21:43 <Rubidium> but then, reportbug *is* not standard 20:21:46 <frosch123> it just says in its name 20:21:47 <glx> opengfx32bpp is not 32bpp ? 20:21:49 <Rubidium> it's custom-build for Debian 20:21:51 <Ammler> that is just for opengfx 32bpp sprites 20:21:57 <mjk> Rubidium: Hmmm ... yes, best bet. Though that should be for specifically Debian-related bugs ... 20:21:59 <planetmaker> well, it is... sort of 20:22:01 <Rubidium> whereas flyspray is *more* a standard 20:22:11 <mjk> Rubidium: flyspray? cvhecking ... 20:22:34 <mjk> frosch123: As always, I cannot register for their BTS ... *sigh* But thanks for finding out the URL anyway! 20:22:39 <Ammler> I guess, best place for 32bpp issues is at tt-forums, imo. 20:23:08 <mjk> Rubidium: Hm, the homepage says "web-based" .. does that mean: no ncurses/CLI tool? 20:23:11 <glx> Ammler: but at tt-forums they tend to do only extra zoom 20:23:23 <aber> standard...html...bugtracker... http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://bugs.openttd.org/ 20:23:39 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:39 <planetmaker> the only 32bpp project really maintained there is the http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/32bpp-extra/repository 20:23:48 <planetmaker> so... the extra newgrf replacement 20:23:52 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:56 <Ammler> :-) 20:23:59 <Rubidium> mjk: yes, unless someone has written such a tool 20:24:06 <Rubidium> feel free to do so by the way 20:24:13 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:24:17 <Rubidium> just like someone did for Debian 20:24:26 <planetmaker> mjk, why would you not be able to register at a bug tracker? 20:24:45 <mjk> Rubidium: Okay, thanks ... if I had the nerves, I'd do that ... but then again, what good is such a tool, if not everyone uses the underlying database? 20:25:18 <mjk> planetmaker: I don't know. I never get validation emails ... 20:25:39 <Rubidium> 'cause reportbug was written *months* after debbugs was written 20:25:42 <Ammler> then you should look for a better email isp 20:25:47 <mjk> planetmaker: Maybe I should switch to another spam-mail-address supplier than spambog.com ... 20:26:20 <mjk> Ammler: The only BTS I ever supplied a "real" address is the Debian bug tracker. 20:26:22 <Rubidium> I hate people using those for the bug tracker. Those bug reports are as useless as anonymous bug reports 20:26:31 <planetmaker> mjk, then use an e-mail address which you actually can receive... 20:27:02 * planetmaker agrees with Rubidium ... then there's no way to get back. And the quality is usually the same 20:27:07 <mjk> planetmaker: I can receive spambog.com mails. It's a temporary mailbox with arbitrarily chose mailbox names. 20:27:51 <mjk> planetmaker: The quality of my bug reports is not like "hey this stinx, nothing works, I got an error message but will not tell you which !!!11", rest assured. |-) 20:28:15 <planetmaker> how can I know? 20:28:22 <Rubidium> then what kind of bug report is it? 20:28:26 <planetmaker> Your effort to report kinda leads to this assumption 20:28:30 <Rubidium> "the 32bpp full zoom graphics don't work" 20:28:40 <Rubidium> or 20:28:43 <mjk> Rubidium: :-) 20:28:53 <Rubidium> "the 32bpp non-full zoom graphics don't work with the dos base graphics set" 20:29:01 <Rubidium> or 20:29:05 <mjk> Rubidium: In this case, I already know the reason for the bug (it's trivial once you find out), and I would supply a "patch" for it. 20:29:10 <Rubidium> "the readme of the 32bpp graphics is totally crappy" 20:29:43 <yorick> "help i download this file and then i put it in and now its not working" 20:29:51 <mjk> Rubidium: :-) The path stored in opengfx...zip is wrong. It's "data/opengfx1_base/..." instead of "sprites/opengfx1_base/...". Something like that. 20:29:57 <mjk> 8-)) 20:30:23 <Rubidium> oh, then it doesn't belong to our bug tracker anyhow 20:30:38 <mjk> Rubidium: It was for the BTS frosch123 gave me ... 20:31:09 <Ammler> well, it is for the tracker you get the pack from 20:31:34 <Ammler> if you downloaded from tt-forums, you should also report there 20:31:40 <mjk> My bug reports are more like these: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384365 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387278 20:31:51 <PeterT> http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/ottd-pr0n.png 20:32:05 <mjk> *snicker* 20:32:30 <glx> PeterT: not really 20:33:24 <glx> but town names are nice 20:34:29 <PeterT> lol :-) 20:35:24 <mjk> planetmaker: Although I use only throw-away mail addresses for web-based BTSes, I do track the bug report a while (up to 1 or 2 weeks) and answer questions from the developer. 20:36:30 <planetmaker> current spam filters are not that bad. Even my most exposed e-mail addresses have an acceptable ratio after filtering 20:37:33 <mjk> planetmaker: Yes, but I'm a litte too paranoid regarding false positives ... and it's more work perusing your spam folder for false positives than deleting spam from your inbox. 20:38:19 <mjk> Social problems cannot be solved by means of technology ... 20:38:38 <planetmaker> mjk, I'm not telling that you should use your primary address there... I don't either 20:38:51 <frosch123> most spam i get are the notifications from bugs.openttd.org :p 20:38:55 <mjk> In my next section of life, I might try to produce world peace. :-} 20:38:57 <mjk> frosch123: :-) 20:39:32 <mjk> planetmaker: Actually, I can have as many addresses as I want ... just the interface to creating new mail addresses is ... lame. :-/ 20:39:47 * yorick sighs at mjk 20:39:54 <mjk> yorick: :-} 20:40:03 <yorick> privacy is a huge crime 20:40:07 <yorick> and you should be punished 20:40:18 <mjk> yorick: :-) 20:40:40 <yorick> (-: 20:40:51 <mjk> yorick: Yes, #debian.de on Freenode doesn't like real-name-deniers ... 20:41:05 <yorick> ew de 20:41:06 <mjk> When I was younger, I also demanded real names on the net from everyone. 20:41:16 <yorick> at least you have mine 20:41:23 <mjk> But well ... I've grown older ... (not necessarily "up" ;-) 20:41:43 <yorick> older as in...you're 12 now :P 20:41:52 <mjk> yorick: |-)) 20:42:03 <yorick> no? 20:42:19 <frosch123> mjk is 12 times as old as yorick 20:42:49 <yorick> he's be 180! 20:42:57 <mjk> yorick: Interestingly enough, "children" are actually adult from an development-psychiatric(?) point of view. Except when their parents etc. treat them like kids, then they actually can even develop back for a while. :-( 20:42:57 <yorick> d* 20:43:26 <mjk> yorick: Wow ... you're an adult! :-) 20:43:32 <mjk> yorick: (At least in theory ;-) 20:45:33 <Nite_Owl> parents will always treat their children as kids even when you ram your wheelchair into theirs 20:49:35 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:49:52 <mjk> Nite_Owl: *lol* 8-)) 20:50:12 <mjk> Nite_Owl: This is very nice ... I'll quote that somewhere if you permit. :-) 20:50:38 <Nite_Owl> be my guest 20:50:49 <mjk> thx =) 20:57:04 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57:26 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:14:39 <SpComb^> http://qmsk.net/~terom/stuff/s2c8_end.png <-- humiliating... ran completely out of stone :) 21:18:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:17 <peter1138> that is not openttd :s 21:20:35 <PeterT> SpComb^: http://users.tt-forums.net/petert/files/ottd-pr0n.png 21:20:37 <mjk> Looks more like Settlers ... 21:20:56 <frosch123> it looks like settlers 2 campaign 8 21:20:58 <mjk> Wasn't there talk about a settlers clone? Like OpenSettlers, sotosay ... 21:21:12 <frosch123> you mean widelands? 21:21:43 <mjk> Ah, no, ... wait ... 21:22:42 <mjk> http://forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3142 21:22:48 * SpComb^ 21:23:20 <mjk> SpComb^ called that Settlers2.5 or so =) 21:24:19 <Ammler> http://www.siedler25.org/ (Return to the roots) 21:24:20 <SpComb^> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~flosoft/s25rttr/trunk/files/head%3A/ 21:24:30 <SpComb^> ^ the interesting bits 21:24:36 <SpComb^> they're not very good at GPL 21:25:12 <Ammler> s2tng might have made a blockage? 21:25:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:37 <frosch123> http://wl.widelands.org/ <- just in case noone knows :) 21:25:59 <aber> this stuff is heavy 21:26:26 <peter1138> 447MB :s 21:34:43 <Belugas> customer service... how fun... 21:35:06 <__ln__> what kind of "quotes" is one supposed to use in german? 21:35:10 <_newage_> SpComb^ I'm hearing you 21:35:18 <_newage_> :-X 21:35:44 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:35:50 <mjk> __ln__: lower quote, upper quote ... or do you mean the quote chars? single/double/french/... 21:36:37 <__ln__> mjk: are »these« sometimes used? 21:36:57 <mjk> __ln__: Yes. 21:37:15 <mjk> __ln__: Those are called French Quotes (I guess) or "Guillemets" 21:37:31 <__ln__> french â bad? :) 21:37:49 <__ln__> but thanks 21:37:51 <mjk> __ln__: Otherwise, we use <lowerquote>blah<upperquote>, either single or double, depending on the nesting. 21:38:09 <mjk> __ln__: :-) No, French quotes are absolutely okay. 21:38:42 <aber> any french people here? 21:38:51 <mjk> __ln__: Oh, and in Germany or Austria, it's >>blah<<, while in Switzerland and Liechtenstein, it's <<blah>> (direction reversed) 21:39:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-255-117.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:39:58 <mjk> __ln__: If you can read German: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4nsef%C3%BC%C3%9Fchen#Typografische_Anf.C3.BChrungszeichen 21:40:13 <mjk> (Thank $DEITY, umlauts are URL-encoded =) 21:41:51 <aber> with the "Left Double Quotation Mark" used in the right side? 21:41:59 <__ln__> mjk: ja, ich kann deutsch lesen, und habe gefragt weil ich es jetzt auch schreiben versuche. :) 21:42:10 <mjk> __ln__: :-) 21:42:31 <mjk> aber: No, they're asymmetrical. Lower quote left, upper quote right. 21:43:17 <aber> mjk: The upper quote shown is the "Left Double Quotation Mark" 21:43:43 <mjk> aber: Where? In the German Wikipedia article? 21:44:32 <mjk> aber: The first two "pictures" (next to "Im Deutschen") show the quotes available only on typewriters. 21:44:46 <aber> mjk: 21:44:50 <aber> ups 21:44:55 <mjk> aber: German typewriters (at least older / mechanical ones) have only the upper quotes. 21:45:43 <aber> its like ââ, but it could be ââ or ââ 21:46:16 <mjk> aber: Hmm ... your last sentence contains ,," three times. :-} 21:46:38 <mjk> aber: Post a screenshot somewhere =) 21:46:44 <mjk> aber: Imageshack or something ... 21:48:38 <mjk> Ah, I see that there's another form of single quotes: two upper single quotes, where the left quote is at the same height of the right quote, but upside-down. 21:48:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7258.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 21:50:25 <mjk> Aaaah, now I remember ... yeah, these "same height, but upside-down"-quote pairs are simply English quotes. :-)) 21:50:30 <mjk> Jeez ... 21:50:46 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:50 <mjk> So the image on Wikipedia seems to be actually wrong. 21:51:18 <mjk> HA! Here's a table that shows everything: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A4nsef%C3%BC%C3%9Fchen#Andere_Sprachen 21:52:22 <mjk> Hihi, Japanese quotes are funny ... 21:55:37 <aber> I have never quoted the right way. dammit. 21:59:32 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:52 <Belugas> and it's time to wave good night!!!! 22:03:56 <Belugas> YOU HOU!!!! 22:03:57 <Belugas> bye 22:04:04 <Rubidium> night oh white whale 22:04:55 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:05:07 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 22:07:16 *** Hyronymus [~chatzilla@s5591a1ba.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 22:11:43 <PeterT> Oh, voting over :-( 22:11:49 <PeterT> by eleven minutes 22:13:16 <dih> ping Yexo :-) 22:13:25 <Yexo> hello dih 22:13:30 <dih> how is you sir? 22:13:39 <Yexo> very good, thank you 22:13:49 <Yexo> but I haven't done anything on your request :p 22:14:04 <PeterT> request? 22:14:16 <dih> did not expect so ;-) 22:14:24 <dih> just wanted to ping and say hi 22:14:36 <Yexo> ok :) 22:14:53 <Terkhen> good night 22:14:56 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@39.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:15:12 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:15:15 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@87.106.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> <SpComb^> darn, you can't transport boats between islands in S2 :o <-- what? that worked in S2TNG 22:17:30 <SpComb^> dunno, tired to build a sea-route between two islands, but it never got a boat 22:17:43 <SpComb^> there were only a couple in the HQ, a separate continent from these two islands 22:18:00 <dih> night night :-) 22:21:04 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.92] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:30 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.92] has joined #openttd 22:28:37 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-218-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 22:36:19 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EBA13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:01 <zachanima> when did this place become #settlers? 22:51:03 <zachanima> =D 22:51:12 <FauxFaux> <3 settlers 2 forever. 22:51:28 <PeterT> zachanima: #not-openttd, rather 22:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> it's my fault! 22:52:06 <zachanima> it's a good game, yes 22:52:14 <zachanima> and so is *gasp* openttd 22:52:22 <zachanima> Eddi|zuHause, oh? 22:52:23 <__ln__> i've never played any 22:53:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i talked so much about s2 that i got SpComb^ addicted... 22:53:31 <zachanima> heh 22:53:34 <zachanima> well it happens I guess 22:55:00 <zachanima> bah 22:55:06 <zachanima> perfecting this heightmap has taken all day 22:55:24 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: pfft, I'd dug it up before you did, but I did only started doing the roman campaign after you mentioned it 22:55:26 <Rubidium> and now your image editor crashed and while doing so trashed the backups too? 22:56:04 <zachanima> Rubidium, not yet 22:56:19 <zachanima> I'm about 90% done - I expect that to happen at or around 98% 22:59:22 <_newage_> yeah I'm waitin for Settlers 2.5 rttr & theme hospital (CorsixTH) to be fully playable on windows and linux, it's my favorite game 22:59:31 <_newage_> both 23:01:16 <zachanima> I had a look around about a year ago, looking for open sourced theme hospitals 23:01:28 <zachanima> yet I didn't hit CorsixTH 23:01:35 <_newage_> http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ 23:01:40 <Rubidium> that didn't really exist back then 23:01:58 <_newage_> I repost bugs, I try at least 23:01:58 *** Sasakura [~e@host86-148-153-110.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:02:08 <_newage_> ~report 23:02:11 <zachanima> Rubidium, well that explains it 23:02:23 <Sasakura> ive noticed that when running two different versions of ottd that both want to use the same active set of newgrfs, which gives errors when opening the exe if those are not present 23:02:24 <zachanima> _newage_, looks interesting 23:02:38 <zachanima> and google gave me the google code project 23:02:56 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:04:02 <_newage_> any way they use too much lua code 23:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> Sasakura: you can make the grfs available to all versions, by putting them in My Documents\OpenTTD (or ~/.openttd on linux) 23:05:09 <Sasakura> Eddi|zuHause: ok, but i normally have this problem when trying out different versions 23:07:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Sasakura: you can also avoid sharing the config file by creating a new openttd.cfg before running for the first time 23:09:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B904.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:30 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:14:34 <Sasakura> i'm sure i have this happen regularly, not just on the first instance 23:15:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you should read the readme to get some insight about what's going on 23:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not entirely certain you understood my solutions... 23:18:28 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: reading a readme? Isn't that like reading a manual? Or reading a TOS/EULA before agreeing to it? 23:19:22 <Sasakura> the first solution wouldnt work for me 23:21:00 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: update] 23:21:48 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:22:46 * Rubidium likes the PS/3 leap year bug :) 23:23:19 * Rubidium wonders whether it has to do something with the Y2010 bug 23:23:42 <Sasakura> Eddi|zuHause: i dont see how to create a pair of openttd.cfg to avoid this issue 23:23:46 <zachanima> wait 23:24:34 <zachanima> top right is usually north, right? 23:24:52 <PeterT> yes 23:25:15 <Rubidium> in OpenTTD's code north is ^ 23:25:46 <zachanima> so top right would be north-east? 23:25:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:26:14 <PeterT> Rubidium: So, what are the results of the competition? 23:26:21 <Rubidium> if I'm not mixing left and right up (as I quite often do), yes 23:26:47 <PeterT> Also, is there a way to keep the old one? Perhaps by placing an opntitle.dat in the global data folder? 23:29:23 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:31:41 <SpComb^> Rubidium: first even-year'd, non-leap feb for the PS3's release lifetime 23:32:01 <SpComb^> but somehow, I doubt it's as simple as someone typoing `year % 4` for `year % 2` :( 23:34:49 <zachanima> hmm 23:34:50 <Rubidium> SpComb^: that's why I suspect the Y2010 bug, i.e. 2*4096 + 0*256 + 1*16 + 0*1 23:35:54 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:04 <Rubidium> then doing a % 4 would result in the shown behaviour 23:36:55 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:37:28 *** Sasakura [~e@host86-148-153-110.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 23:45:05 <Eddi|zuHause> BCD date? who in his right mind uses that? 23:47:12 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: german banks? :) 23:50:10 <zachanima> 1:10 ratio of real-life to in-game population seems to work well for a 2048x2048 Denmark 23:50:16 <zachanima> so there 23:50:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have such a chip card yet, so i didn't look into the specifics of the bug... 23:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> zachanima: remember to use the real-life population of the 19th century instead of current population... 23:51:58 <zachanima> not if I set the scenario at 2010 23:52:20 <zachanima> which is kind of what I intended - so as to recreate some of the more recent developments of the network 23:52:34 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-149-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> imho it's bad to make the initial city size too large... 23:53:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't place stations properly... 23:53:52 <zachanima> Eddi|zuHause, indeed. Danish cities rarely have more than 200,000 inhabitants (sp?) though 23:54:02 <zachanima> which works out nicely as 20,000 in-game 23:54:18 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 23:54:49 <zachanima> Copenhagen being the obvious exception 23:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not sure if that's a newgrf issue, but in the USA map using NACS, New York starts with ~11k inhabitants and covers a huge area 23:56:34 <zachanima> hmm. I made a 100k Copenhagen and, while it did take up quite a lot of space, I think that could probably be halved by making sure it develops mostly skyscrapers (those DO have more people/tile, right?) 23:56:50 <Chrill> they do indeed 23:56:56 <zachanima> how big is the USA map? 23:57:06 <zachanima> Chrill, thanks 23:57:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:57:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it's 2048^2 23:58:10 <zachanima> hmm 23:58:23 <zachanima> well 20k was not at all big when I just did it 23:59:14 <zachanima> with enough bribes and trees, is it possible to clear an arbitrary amount of houses?