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:P 00:53:52 <lennard> above/below sea-level? 00:54:14 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:55:41 <SpComb^> dunno, some AI debugging I guess 01:06:38 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 01:08:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> more likely cargo acceptance 01:08:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d8b1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-60-177.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:47:14 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 02:16:24 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:19:39 *** Westie [~westie@193.238.85.98] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 02:35:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36:42 *** Westie [~westie@193.238.85.98] has joined #openttd 02:46:59 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:49:21 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:51:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:57:57 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:01:40 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-161-98.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 03:08:43 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 03:09:37 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:25:52 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-132-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:14 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:31:49 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-142-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cd1f:a43c:8c8c:1ca] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:49:09 *** mikegrb_ is now known as mikegrb 03:58:30 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 04:06:19 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-144-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:41 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-156-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:17:41 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 05:23:30 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:23:34 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 05:24:44 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: jpx_, +tokai, @Belugas, lolman, teeone 05:25:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: Belugas 05:25:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 05:25:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: teeone 05:32:10 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:24 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-0-189.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 05:32:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:55:11 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 06:48:09 *** tuinn [~t@ip9135153a.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 07:27:31 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:53:34 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:35 *** Priski [priski@ihq.in] has joined #openttd 08:24:03 *** pw- [~kvirc@96.243.199.76] has joined #openttd 08:39:21 <TrueBrain> **BUUURRRPPP** 08:41:11 <pw-> any freebsd users? 08:41:44 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-204-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:49 <TrueBrain> you want general FreeBSD help? Then you are at the wrong channel. Otherwise, just say what your problem/question is :) 08:50:36 <Rubidium> so... guess it was not OpenTTD related 09:03:31 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-101-141.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:49 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9381.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:21 <TrueBrain> one can only guess ;) 09:11:16 <peter1138> no, it was a simple question 09:11:22 <peter1138> "any freebsd users?" 09:11:39 <peter1138> "yes" -- there are some, believe it or not 09:11:43 <dih> \o/ apache segfaults with php 5.2.5 + xcache! 09:11:45 <dih> fuck 09:11:53 <dih> hello TrueBrain ;-) 09:11:57 <peter1138> php-- 09:12:02 <TrueBrain> apache-- 09:12:47 <dih> well - i can hardly tell the company to move to another language 09:12:55 <dih> i would not mind... but!! 09:16:05 <TrueBrain> I AM SO THIRSTY! 09:16:20 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 09:19:46 <peter1138> hello hackykid 09:20:23 <Hackykid> hi peter1138 09:21:20 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.20.110] has joined #openttd 09:24:33 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:48 * peter1138 wonders how close to freeze squeeze is 09:44:35 <peter1138> there's a nasty unfixed bug in gnome-vfs in lenny related to smb 09:44:43 <dih> a squeeze freeze? :P 09:44:47 <Noldo> :) 09:45:10 <Noldo> http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ 09:45:28 <Noldo> I read that one of those lines needs to drop under some magical mark before freeze 09:46:30 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:52:47 *** OwenS`Phone [~mirggi@82.132.139.48] has joined #openttd 09:56:49 <Rubidium> peter1138: last message was something like "although we earlier March, the number of RC bugs (Noldo's list) has to be less than that magic number and we don't expect that to happen in March" 09:59:41 <Rubidium> peter1138: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html (magic mark = 300) 10:09:38 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 10:27:58 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:28:06 *** Orbiter [~Orbiter@ti0117a380-3360.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:29:07 <Orbiter> <-- openttd noob here.. Why can't I see my downloaded scenarios when starting a multiplayer game? 10:34:30 *** orudge` [~orudge@109.224.128.167] has joined #openttd 10:34:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 10:45:36 *** orudge` [~orudge@109.224.128.167] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 10:46:02 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:31 *** PeterT [~PeterT@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 10:47:04 *** orudge` [~orudge@109.224.128.167] has joined #openttd 10:47:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 10:53:53 *** pw- [~kvirc@96.243.199.76] has quit [Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net] 10:55:12 <fjb> [09:41:11] <pw-> any freebsd users? <- Yes, ofcourse. 10:55:28 <fjb> Oh, some seconds... 11:02:01 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 11:04:39 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@217.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 11:04:54 <Terkhen> hello 11:13:51 <PeterT> Good morning, Terkhen 11:23:05 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:00:34 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:26 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 12:12:33 *** antonio1984 [~antonio19@93-45-238-104.ip104.fastwebnet.it] has joined #openttd 12:13:27 *** antonio1984 [~antonio19@93-45-238-104.ip104.fastwebnet.it] has quit [] 12:19:23 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 12:26:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cc1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D11A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:33 <SpComb^> peter1138 is inactive 12:43:11 <peter1138> i am? 12:43:35 <SpComb^> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=861242#p861242 12:44:23 <Noldo> :) 12:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb^: i believe he meant celestar 12:53:05 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:53:38 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:54:08 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:54:13 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:30 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: celestar did the map array stuff? 12:54:32 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2854:113e:291:210b] has joined #openttd 12:54:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:56:58 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.20.110] has quit [] 12:57:20 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: that topic is custom bridgeheads 12:57:29 <SpComb^> newmap was just ancilliary 12:58:39 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:58:56 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn12-192.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:51 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:04:13 <Ammler> iirc, custom bridgeheads got "broken" with bridges over a lot of things 13:06:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: no, custom bridgeheads was after that... 13:06:57 <ccfreak2k> Video killed the custombridgeheads star. 13:07:16 *** ptr_ [~peter@p229-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 13:09:28 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause's revising history :) 13:09:47 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 13:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> history is what i say it is! 13:12:59 <peter1138> ammler is right, although it was stopped way before that 13:14:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:14:12 <peter1138> ahh 13:14:16 <peter1138> Joined: 2007-01-17 00:14:58 13:14:27 <peter1138> you're talking about the wrong custombridgeheads patch :p 13:15:48 <Ammler> I had the branch in mind... 13:16:17 <Ammler> support for rail only, iirc 13:18:41 <peter1138> the original patch i wrote supported road and rail 13:18:51 <peter1138> 5 years ago, hurr 13:19:29 <Rubidium> yeah, an ancient patch... so you must be an ancient! :) 13:19:48 <peter1138> i'm inactive :D 13:20:25 <Rubidium> says who? 13:20:31 <peter1138> that guy 13:29:04 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, there are two different patches... 13:40:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=861255#p861255 <- already said so! 13:40:57 <Rubidium> and correctly basically his completely incorrect post 13:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> the main problem with the cbh branch was that trains on a bridge did not stop for a signal on the bridge head 13:44:07 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: actually, I think trains falling apart is the bigger problem; the signal issue can be temporarily 'solved' by not allowing signals 13:44:45 <Rubidium> not allowing signals = not adding a feature, not allowing to turn around = breaking a feature 13:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember a trains falling apart problem with bridge heads 13:45:38 <Eddi|zuHause> at least if one existed, it would be solvable 13:47:36 <Rubidium> bah, no thread about cbh 13:51:34 *** Orbiter [~Orbiter@ti0117a380-3360.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:04 <Rubidium> as in Celestar's cbh attempt 13:52:23 <Priski> why anyone does even bother translate anything if it just some main buttons on website 13:53:14 <Priski> it is annoying to browse that redmine project manager software 13:54:34 <Rubidium> Priski: I think you're talking to the wrong channel 13:55:25 <Priski> yeah but I meant that in larger respect 13:55:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: there might be random chat discussion around 4 Jan 2007 13:56:21 <Priski> I mean, is that even helpful to anyone when site contents is always english but titles are on native language where are you browsing 13:57:11 <Rubidium> Priski: I guess it isn't 13:57:25 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: don't have those logs (anymore) 13:57:28 <Priski> and it isn't first time I encounter this 13:58:08 <Priski> and usually there is no way to turn it off 13:58:09 <Rubidium> just tell your browser to tell servers that it wants English 13:58:26 <Rubidium> as I've never had problems with it (yet) 13:59:35 <Priski> When did this feature come into browsers :D 13:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> about 15 years ago... 13:59:52 <Priski> totally missed it 14:00:04 <Priski> I have been living in cave apparently 14:00:38 <Priski> ahh.. this is now so much better ~~ 14:03:22 <Rubidium> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1945.txt says 1996 it's offical; the protocol has been, according to the text, in use sing 1990 14:04:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge`] by ChanServ 14:04:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 14:04:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 14:05:19 <Rubidium> so yes, Eddi|zuHause's 15 years seems a quite reasonable estimate 14:08:45 <Priski> I'm pretty sure nobody did use that feature for years though 14:09:47 *** ptr_ [~peter@p229-n81.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 14:10:32 <Priski> until someone "hey, I just found this great thing from granddaddy's old chest" 14:12:55 <Ammler> afaik, you can "overrule" it with user settings 14:16:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-213-249-237-253.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:22:10 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 14:22:27 <Belugas> helloooo 14:24:57 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:24 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-101-141.dsl.tropolys.de] 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<planetmaker> is late 16:39:26 <peter1138> belugas, http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=861261#p861261 16:39:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:50 <Belugas> heheh 16:46:18 <frosch123> "it's a matter of not making additional examples of an existing problem." 16:46:46 <frosch123> ( http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=847640#p847640 ) 16:47:16 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:37 <Belugas> mmh... soubnds like... we have a problem, and it musst be fixed by devs, not us 16:54:25 * Belugas shakes his keyboard 16:54:28 <Priski> too many accounts in too many sites is an issue 16:54:50 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 16:55:20 <Priski> gotta have some sort of accountmanager for all the sites 16:55:24 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 16:55:32 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2aw175.net.upc.cz] has quit [] 16:56:01 *** 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[~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:22 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:41:37 *** Sacro [~Sacro@77.86.62.101] has joined #openttd 17:43:09 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@86.30.10.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:44 <dih> helloses 17:45:22 *** Quibus [~manuel@s5592d045.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you meant "heillos" 17:45:29 <Quibus> hi 17:45:42 <Quibus> I heard there is someone working on a music set for OpenTTD, called OpenMSX 17:45:54 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:54 <planetmaker> yes, Quibus 17:45:55 <Quibus> Is there someone here involved in that? 17:46:02 <planetmaker> yes, Quibus 17:46:26 <Quibus> OK, the thing is, our open source project is already named "openMSX"... 17:46:34 <Quibus> Maybe it's a good idea to pick a different name? 17:46:38 <Quibus> http://openmsx.sourceforge.net/ 17:46:58 <planetmaker> Do you really think that there's a problem? 17:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i never understood why it must have an X in its name... 17:47:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, consistency with OpenGFX and OpenSFX 17:47:45 <planetmaker> graphiX, SoundEffeX and MusiX ;-) 17:48:29 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but IMHO it's silly ;) 17:48:42 <planetmaker> many things are silly ;-) Especially names 17:49:12 <planetmaker> Quibus, I wasn't aware of "your" openmsx when I chose the name 17:49:40 <planetmaker> On the other hand I don't see really any conflict. OpenMSX in the OpenTTD context is only an extension not usable elsewhere 17:49:41 <dih> erm - openMSX last new post was over 6 months ago 17:49:58 <Priski> That site misses one point, it does not clearly say whatta hell openMSX is... :P 17:50:01 <dih> *news 17:50:54 <planetmaker> It does tell in the documentation... 17:51:45 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.20.110] has quit [] 17:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> as long as neither of you registers a trademark, there should be no reason to change anything 17:51:47 <Priski> well yes, and there is that "mxs emulator" on there 17:52:05 <dih> http://www.ohloh.net/p/openmsx/analyses/latest <- interesting 17:52:20 <dih> you have tcl in there? 17:52:58 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 90 seconds.] 17:53:13 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 17:54:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:02 <planetmaker> Quibus, honest question: is there a problem with one music plugin for OpenTTD being called OpenMSX? 17:54:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756FE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:00 <dih> looks like Quibus is doing other more important stuff :-P 17:57:05 <planetmaker> yeah 17:57:11 <Rubidium> it's going to be called openttd-openmsx in Debian anyway, so it won't conflict there 17:57:26 <planetmaker> makes sense :-) 17:57:37 <Rubidium> in Fedora I extrapolate the same name will be used (openttd-opengfx is used there) 17:58:03 *** Vampier [~Vampier@cpe-76-172-138-204.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:07 <Quibus> planetmaker: well, it is just confusing if you Google on it or have Google alerts on it 17:58:22 <Quibus> (sorry, I had to do some Real Life stuff here) 17:58:23 <dih> comparing download numbers .......... 17:58:29 <dih> :-P 17:58:32 <Quibus> planetmaker: I understand you weren't aware of our openMSX name 17:59:12 <Quibus> dih: we don't often post news there, but the project is very active, see the SF.net page 17:59:20 <Quibus> (or visit #openMSX on FreeNode) 17:59:37 <Vampier> or http://webchat.freenode.net 17:59:44 * Rubidium dislikes freenode 17:59:50 <Quibus> dih: yes, it embeds Tcl 18:00:00 *** OwenSX28-AC is now known as OwenS 18:00:03 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:01:04 <OwenS> OperatorMul <blah> [with TL = long int, TR = VMFunction*]: Assertion `!"Not currently doing casts"' failed. <-- Thats an error I'd expect if I was trying to multiply a function by an int. I'm not >_< 18:01:43 <Quibus> planetmaker: anyway, to avoid confusion with Google or package search or similar stuff, it would be better to not have such similar names. OTOH: I can't (and won't try) to force you of course :-) It's just that we prefer to not have the confusion, if that's OK with you 18:02:36 <dih> your openmsx project fills the first result page on google - i doubt you will run into issues soon 18:02:51 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:51 <Quibus> dih: my Google Alert found yours :-) 18:03:08 <Quibus> So, now I will be getting Google Alerts about the OpenTTD OpenMSX :P 18:03:15 <Rubidium> "openttd-openmsx" as official name? 18:03:18 <dih> i am on page 3.... 18:03:20 <Vampier> it's a friendly request :) 18:03:29 <planetmaker> I'll think about it. But honestly I'm not fond of changing the name. Except to what Rubidium proposes. 18:03:36 * Vampier calls lawyer :P 18:03:45 * Vampier grins :P 18:03:48 <Quibus> planetmaker: well, thanks for thinking about it :-) 18:04:00 <Rubidium> hahah... lawyers... 18:04:02 <dih> page 5 - first hit.... in de.pastebin.ca...... 18:04:16 <Vampier> I played TTD a few times :) it's cool 18:04:17 <dih> Vampier, you are cute 18:04:24 <Vampier> lol 18:04:35 <dih> lawyer ... 18:04:35 <Quibus> dih: I think that's the one who was found by Google Alert as well 18:04:36 <Vampier> I'm not sure too take that as a compliment 18:04:51 <dih> no - you should not :-P 18:04:56 <Vampier> hahaha 18:04:58 <Quibus> dih: don't mind Vampier - he's a mad Dutchmen who moved to the USA and now got some attitude :P 18:05:13 * Quibus slaps Vampier around a bit with a 500lbs C++ manual 18:05:15 <Vampier> quibus is the stiffest in the openMSX team 18:05:17 <dih> nah - i am not serious Vampier 18:05:38 <dih> but yeah - laywer? seriously!! 18:05:39 <Rubidium> yeah, all Dutch people are mad 18:05:40 <Vampier> I'm more what you would call 'the village idiot who does prototyping' 18:05:45 <Quibus> Rubidium: exactly 18:05:52 <Vampier> dih: I was clearly joking 18:06:29 <Vampier> Remco Bijker... that's 2x Dutch :P 18:06:31 <dih> it would have made me laugh even more if you were not :-D 18:06:34 <Quibus> OTOH: Dutch folks of over 25 should definitely know what MSX is :-) 18:06:53 * planetmaker doesn't know (but I'm not Dutch) 18:07:10 <planetmaker> And honestly, visiting your web page doesn't give an easy clue either ;-) 18:07:10 * Rubidium doesn't know either 18:07:11 <Vampier> Well Germany had them too 18:07:19 <Quibus> Vampier: very few 18:07:19 <Vampier> but it wasn't as wide spread 18:07:22 <dih> planetmaker, look at the screenshots :-D 18:07:25 <planetmaker> Vampier, doesn't make it better :-P 18:07:29 <Rubidium> Vampier: if you copy a name, copy it correctly 18:07:37 <OwenS> planetmaker: Emulator for an 8-bit console. Perhaps most notable for having the first Metal Gears :p 18:07:38 <Vampier> das habbe ich schon gedacht 18:07:49 <Quibus> OwenS: you score points! 18:07:58 <Vampier> OwenS: the original metal gears ;) 18:08:01 <Ammler> in suse, the only openmsx is openttd openmsx 18:08:12 <Vampier> Snake's revenge wasn't an official metal gear... and doesn't fit any timeline 18:09:04 <OwenS> I need to get a PS2 some time, so I can get Snake Eater and play the originals (Well, and 2 & 3). There was a disadvantage to having an Xbox... 18:09:04 <Vampier> http://www.youtube.com/watch?playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=YwOTrrM5quI&v=_Leh-icn9l4 18:09:18 <Vampier> here is a video of the whole game 18:09:23 <Vampier> I need to re-record that one 18:09:29 <Vampier> it's not in HD jet 18:09:35 <dih> besides - even if openMSX were renamed to openttd-openmsx, changing how it's refered to in the forums will hardly happen 18:09:42 <dih> and google will also hit that sooner or later 18:09:54 <OwenS> And yay! My interpreter just interpreted it's first program ^^ 18:09:55 <dih> oh - and blogs, youtube, irc,.... 18:10:20 <Vampier> followed by debian/ubuntu etc etc 18:10:56 <Quibus> dih: at least the problem will not grow bigger if it is 18:11:06 <Quibus> (renamed) 18:11:28 <OwenS> (It's amazing how good it feels to execute even something as simple as "def x(a, b) return a * b; return x(4, 2); " :P) 18:11:30 <dih> there IS no problem! 18:11:31 <Quibus> When was the OpenTTD one started? 18:11:34 <Vampier> quibus: request is done :P 18:11:36 <Rubidium> or call it openmfx 18:11:48 <Vampier> mfx .... that sounds bad 18:11:58 <Quibus> Vampier: no, sounds good :-) 18:11:59 <Vampier> motherf-ers or something 18:12:01 <planetmaker> nor does OpenMUX work 18:12:13 <OwenS> planetmaker: OpenMusx? :p 18:12:14 <Vampier> openMUS? 18:12:16 <Rubidium> yeah, it sounds bad... bit open[gms]fx! 18:12:20 <Quibus> OpenMZX? 18:12:22 <dih> OpenTTD_MSX :-D 18:12:40 <planetmaker> not openMUS. Sounds aweful 18:12:43 <Vampier> dih: you can blame us :P 18:12:50 <dih> blame you for what? 18:12:51 <planetmaker> You know German, therefor you know how it sounds 18:12:52 <Vampier> openFinch :P 18:12:54 <OwenS> Musx actually sounds like Music as well :p 18:13:21 <dih> uh - i have an idea... openmsx :-P 18:13:45 <Vampier> hahaha 18:13:53 <Vampier> why not call it closedMSX 18:13:59 <Vampier> no-one uses that name anyway 18:14:07 <planetmaker> Vampier, you're free to use that name 18:14:07 <Quibus> hehehe 18:14:11 <Priski> :D 18:14:24 <Vampier> funny planetmaker 18:14:28 <dih> why on earth do people who write GPL'd software, believe they have a right to an exclusive name?? 18:14:31 <planetmaker> as funny as you... 18:14:43 <dih> esp if it's totally unrelated 18:14:52 <OwenS> dih: It was just a polite request 18:14:59 <dih> i know 18:15:05 <Ammler> maybe we should call it "coca cola" 18:15:06 <Priski> dih: actually that is a good point, maybe to avoid confusion? 18:15:23 <OwenS> Much bigger projects (Phoenix*cough*Firebird*cough*Firefox) have renamed themselves to avoid it :p 18:15:24 <dih> and after a few polite answers from planetmaker: i'll think about it <- iirc 18:15:36 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-98-250-52-144.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:53 <planetmaker> anyway... we can think about that. And now have a good evening, I need to leave for tonight :-) 18:15:59 <Quibus> yep, so thanks! :) In case of any questions/discussion/whatever, feel free to join #openMSX on FreeNode. 18:16:00 <Quibus> see you 18:16:14 * dih waves 18:16:22 <dih> ^ better than air waves 18:16:27 <Quibus> planetmaker: OK, I'm out of here as well, bye! :) Nice talking to fellow openMSXers :-) 18:16:37 * Vampier tsunami-s 18:16:39 *** Quibus [~manuel@s5592d045.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [De heu!] 18:16:53 <Vampier> but sticks around 18:17:40 <Vampier> I really like the idea that openTTD used TcL 18:17:52 <Rubidium> huh? it did? 18:17:57 <dih> what? 18:18:03 <blathijs> Isn't that the autopilot thing? 18:18:13 <dih> yes, but that aint an OpenTTD thing 18:18:14 <Rubidium> kewl... that must be someone else using it's name too 18:18:43 <__ln__> *its 18:18:44 <Priski> just out of intrest, why #openttd in OFTC not Freenode? 18:19:04 <Eddi|zuHause> because a majority of devs voted that freenode is shit 18:19:13 <OwenS> Admittedly it's less shit now :p 18:19:15 <__ln__> Priski: because of lilo-spam 18:19:21 <Vampier> lilo is dead 18:19:22 <Priski> lilo spam? 18:19:27 <Vampier> already 3_ years 18:19:28 <Vampier> :( 18:19:28 <dih> and the hassle to move back is too big :-P 18:19:30 <dih> hehe 18:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Vampier: yes, that was a short time after we left :p 18:19:38 <dih> most openttd related stuff is here 18:20:00 <Eddi|zuHause> there were also frequent netsplits 18:20:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and one of our devs was banned for no reason 18:20:29 <Priski> no reason? 18:20:44 <Ammler> freenode has still no ssl support 18:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> well, unless "it's Bjarni" is a reason :) 18:21:04 <dih> HAHA - hit the right guy :-P 18:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: i thought they introduced that recently 18:21:14 <frosch123> bjarni is banned from freenode? maybe we should move there :p 18:21:32 <Rubidium> and not to mention the dozens of times I was kicked for 'flooding' in the middle of the night while sleeping 18:22:37 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: indeed, I can remember the discussion about moving opensuse because of that... 18:23:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... what do i do with a folder called "install" containing 100GB worth of windows programs? 18:23:55 <Vampier> I forgot I have to have the original graphics :) are there any 'replacement' graphic packs? 18:23:59 *** fjb is now known as Guest26 18:24:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F9E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:14 <dih> Vampier, guess ;-) 18:24:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Vampier: yes, if you use the 1.0.0 installer, it will offer to install those 18:24:20 *** welshdragon is now known as Guest28 18:24:21 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 18:24:53 *** Guest28 [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:26 <Vampier> dih: I really should read better.... it's right on the download page :) (thanks Eddi|zuHause I've download RC1) 18:28:29 *** Guest26 [~frank@p5485F656.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:46 <Eddi|zuHause> now that we have a title game, isn't it time for RC2? 18:29:06 <Priski> we do? 18:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, vote was closed earlier this week, and it has been committed 18:29:37 <Priski> yay 18:29:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's in the 1.0 branch 18:30:01 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2854:113e:291:210b] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 18:30:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2854:113e:291:210b] has joined #openttd 18:30:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:31:20 <Priski> not on the nightlies it seems 18:31:34 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's specific to 1.0 18:32:12 <Priski> :P 18:38:51 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:42:50 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... interesting... i just found a copy of transport tycoon (not entirely sure which one)... 18:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> with several savegames... 18:43:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host21-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:43:39 <Wolf01> hello 18:43:58 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 18:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... feature request: if you click on the directory name in the save/load window, it should allow you to enter a path 18:46:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19305 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 18:46:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 3 changes by burgerd 18:46:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: malay - 1 changes by Kwokfu 18:46:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:46:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: serbian - 27 changes by etran 18:46:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: thai - 7 changes by decoze 18:49:04 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-201-209-219.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:49:09 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-201-209-219.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't suppose i have any use for a "j2sdk-1_4_1_01-windows-i586.exe" 18:58:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r19306 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp rail.h): -Change: Railtype cost factor from byte to word value 19:07:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r19307 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp rail.h smallmap_gui.cpp table/railtypes.h): -Add: Let railtypes specify their own smallmap colour. No legend support yet. 19:08:55 <Prof_Frink> peter1138: Footrest? 19:09:05 <peter1138> quite 19:14:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:18:45 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:31:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 19:33:25 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:40:32 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:58 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 19:46:09 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:46:24 <Zuu> Coding style: "own members of classes should always be referenced using "this->" " 19:46:36 <Zuu> Does this include static class members? 19:46:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba95ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:56 <Zuu> Or shall I rather use ClassName::static_member_var? 19:47:05 <Rubidium> the latter 19:47:14 <peter1138> you can't use this with static class members, heh 19:47:27 <Zuu> I though so, but couldn't find any confirmation for the later in the wiki. 19:47:33 * OwenS prefers his prefixing with m_/ms_ 19:47:35 <Zuu> peter1138: Tell MSVC that :-) 19:48:36 <Zuu> OwenS: Sure, that is what I do myself (excluding the underscore), but OpenTTD wouldn't be happy if I sticked to my coding style. 19:48:51 <OwenS> Zuu: I understand that :-) 19:49:12 <OwenS> I doubt they'd be fan of my CamelCase enumeration values :p 19:49:38 <OwenS> (Blame Qt for that one :P ) 19:49:59 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:44 <peter1138> qt :( 19:50:45 <frosch123> as long as you do not prefix pointers and references with p and r 19:51:35 <OwenS> No I don't. My sentiment is that hungarian notation should be used to carry only semantics that the type system can't 19:51:55 <Zuu> frosch123: That I do aswell :-) 19:52:21 <OwenS> peter1138: Whats wrong with Qt? 19:52:35 <Zuu> OwenS: It requires a preprocessor? 19:53:00 <OwenS> Zuu: That adds features you can't have without. Besides, your build system shoul abstract that away from you ;-) 19:53:03 <peter1138> reinventing the wheel syndrome 19:53:04 <Zuu> Makes it hard to use with Visual Studio unless you are rich. 19:53:20 <peter1138> preprocessor crap 19:53:22 <OwenS> Zuu: Huh? CMake can generate SLN's for free :-) 19:53:48 <OwenS> peter1138: If you're talking about QList & co, thats because they are required to support platforms with useless STLs 19:53:49 <Zuu> Last time I tried it was not possible to use the Express edition of visual studio with Qt. 19:54:01 <OwenS> Zuu: No reason you can't. It's a bog standard C++ library 19:54:23 <Zuu> Well the problem was related to the preprocessor. 19:54:42 <OwenS> Strange, as both CMake and QMake can generate Visual Studio projects which work in express fine 19:55:15 <Zuu> Okay, that they didn't tell in the readme/howto that I read then. :-) 19:55:37 <OwenS> peter1138: As for preprocessor crap, QMetaType is something I find incredibly useful, and is impossible without a preprocessor 19:55:47 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 19:55:49 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:49 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:56:19 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:56:51 <Zuu> I've been looking at migrating to wxwidgets but hasn't got around to do that yet. (currently I'm using a self-written window manager) 19:57:00 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dba95ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:57:02 <OwenS> Ugh. wxWidgets is a horirble mess of macros 19:58:07 <OwenS> I'd even use GTK+ from C preferentially to wxWidgets; it's that horrid that I'd choose a widget set which doesn't intergrate anywhere 19:58:54 <Zuu> hmm, a plus with GTK+ from my point of view is that they use sigc++ which I already hevily rely on. :-) 19:59:16 <OwenS> Zuu: Yes, but GTK behaves like GTK everywhere. You can always tell you're using a GTK app 19:59:35 <OwenS> Qt and wxWidgets tend to behave natively (wx less so, as the Linux version backs onto GTK) 19:59:47 <Zuu> Well, people can tell everywhere that I use a homemade window system currently so not a big change. 19:59:50 <frosch123> except you never know whether the g refers to gnu, gimp or gnome 20:00:22 <OwenS> Gtkmm's API isn't that bad, but I still prefer Qt's 20:00:47 <peter1138> qt's preprocessor crap is, of course, just another form of "a horrible mess of macros" 20:00:56 <Zuu> I tried Gtkmm about 4-5 years ago with a project but had to cancel it because it made compilation time sky rocket. 20:01:43 <OwenS> peter1138: The horrible mess of macros I'm talking about is WX' WX_DECLARE_VECTOR(Type, VectorName). Thats right - they reinvented macros using the preprocessor! 20:01:48 <peter1138> gtk looks like gtk to me, which is nice becuase it fits in with my gtk-based gnome desktop 20:01:49 <OwenS> reinvented templates** 20:02:11 <OwenS> peter1138: Qt also looks like Gtk to you. Gtk looks like Gtk to me, which makes it stand out like a sore thumb on my KDE desktop 20:02:14 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:02:18 <peter1138> no, qt looks like shit to me 20:02:29 <OwenS> peter1138: Any decent distro ships QGtkTheme 20:02:34 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 20:03:07 <OwenS> QGtkTheme even makes it use GTK's horrid file selectors! 20:03:50 <OwenS> (Sorry, I think it's called QGtkStyle) 20:05:02 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.20.202.223] has joined #openttd 20:05:08 <insulfrog> hi 20:05:12 <Zuu> In the FilterSignList patch I think it is enough to make the "match case" button remember its state. The filter string I don't think need to be remembered when you close the window. Do you agree? 20:05:39 <Zuu> (remember = use static var, but don't save in the config) 20:06:53 <peter1138> always the way 20:07:02 <peter1138> qt/kde users think gtk/gnome is horrid 20:07:03 <peter1138> and vice versa 20:07:13 <peter1138> otoh, fltk is quite nasty 20:07:42 *** Yexo is now known as Guest47 20:07:42 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 20:07:52 <OwenS> peter1138: What I want is a toolkit which makes my app behave natively everywhere, and the closest to that is Qt 20:08:59 <peter1138> whereas i don't give a rats ass about windows and os x 20:09:00 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!] 20:09:04 *** Guest47 [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:12 <OwenS> Or KDE ;-) 20:09:23 <peter1138> or indeed kde, which doesn't even look like kde 20:09:28 <glx> <OwenS> reinvented templates** <-- but wxwidget is an old project (started in 1992) 20:09:56 <OwenS> glx: I understand that. They are, however, still doing that. I think by now they've had enough time to change 20:10:07 <OwenS> Also, wx is very MFC, and I don't think many people like MFC ;-) 20:10:09 <Zuu> I personally care more about the ability to integrate the toolkit with existing code, how well supported the toolkit is in the community, ability to build it and if it has stable SDL-support or if I need to port my drawing system to OpenGL. 20:10:32 <OwenS> I don't know of any toolkit with SDL support 20:10:56 <Zuu> wxWidgets has something that looks like a badly written widget for SDL integration. 20:11:01 <OwenS> Heh 20:11:29 <OwenS> (Also, QPainter with the raster graphics system beats SDL and OpenGL speedwise for 2D work) 20:12:05 <glx> there's wxGL, but I never used it 20:12:18 <glx> I did only basic stuff with wxwidget 20:12:32 <Zuu> wxGL looks much better than the SDL widget they have. 20:12:35 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:13:01 <OwenS> Theres also QGLWidget, which I have very good experiences with 20:13:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:14 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:14:37 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-161-98.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:39 *** |Vampier| [~Vampier@cpe-76-172-138-204.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:15:02 <OwenS> I notice that a few versions back VLC switched to Qt though :-) 20:17:03 * Zuu would like a VLC version with backward play ability but aparently that would require a big change of VLC. 20:17:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19308 /trunk/src/table/settings.h: -Change [FS#3655]: Increase the default small font size for freetype fonts as 6 point fonts are usually unreadable 20:17:31 <OwenS> Zuu: Backward play? That's impossible with most video codecs 20:17:59 <Zuu> It would be usefull when you analyze a video capture. 20:18:08 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:18:16 <OwenS> Well, impossible to do in real time. You'd have to decode ~ 100 frames in one go 20:18:19 <glx> if at least they could get the total time and current position for TS files 20:18:34 <glx> even WMP can do that 20:18:51 <Zuu> Though, I'm happy that vlc have fast forward at least. watched through 7-8 hours of captured movies today in just 1-2 hours. :-) 20:19:05 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-143-191.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 20:19:05 * OwenS has a script which takes a .m2ts file and converts it to mkv for that and other reasons 20:19:20 <OwenS> (Other reasons = otherwise mplayer can't find DVD subtitles for some bizzare reason!) 20:20:19 <glx> I use TS2MPG for that (no subtiltles and fix mpeg2 stream errors) 20:20:26 *** Vampier [~Vampier@cpe-76-172-138-204.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:20:54 <glx> for h264 TS it's a different story :) 20:21:31 <OwenS> My m2ts files tend to be MPEG-2 raw DVD rips. I must admit I don't have any raw BD rips, primarily because I lack a drive :p 20:22:19 <OwenS> (Also, BD+ is bloody smart copy protection) 20:24:39 <OwenS> (In fact by all accounts, it's actually doing what it's supposed to do pretty well 20:26:15 <glx> I have 2 kinds of .TS (both from IPTV recordings) 20:26:38 <glx> mpeg2 and h264 20:27:34 <OwenS> Heh. Interestingly, our cable provider uses HD MPEG-2 20:28:17 <glx> IIRC HD is h264 but I don't have enough bandwidth for that :) 20:29:11 <OwenS> Nah; our set top box is recieving 1080i MPEG-2 20:29:33 <glx> mine could, but I need a better ADSL ;) 20:30:00 <glx> but I think they use h264 for HD 20:30:04 <OwenS> Turns out that Telewest, in their infinite wisdom, deployed their HD set-top box without a H.264 decoder, and ~4 years later Virgin Media are now saddled with the fact that they have thousands out there who can't get H.264 20:30:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:24 <OwenS> At least since it's going over cable they have the bandwidth to pump up the bitrates 20:31:21 *** |Vampier| [~Vampier@cpe-76-172-138-204.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:52 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-147-226-93.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:33:11 <Zuu> YAFS patch @ FS :-p 20:34:20 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:35:22 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:38:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19309 /trunk/bin/ (8 files in 2 dirs): -Update: base set translations for Arabic, Catalan and Norwegian (Nynorsk) 20:39:32 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19310 /branches/1.0/ (23 files in 4 dirs): [1.0] -Backport from trunk: language updates 20:39:46 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 20:42:03 <Zuu> hello Nite_Owl 20:42:18 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:20 <Nite_Owl> Hello Zuu 20:47:40 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:49:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r19311 /trunk/bin/gm/orig_win.obm: -Fix (r19181): further wrong translations 20:56:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:58:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D11A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcb68.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:27 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18:48 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:18:48 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:30:50 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:30:52 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fee4df00-82.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:33:37 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:38:09 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-204-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:40:52 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:41:34 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:45 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:42:53 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 21:48:49 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:56 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:06:26 <OwenS> Anyone got any suggestions on how to track down what code is printing to the console without my authorisation? :p 22:07:40 <Rubidium> LD_PRELOAD? 22:08:17 <OwenS> No, I've lost track of where in my program is printing to the console some cryptic lines like "f v" :p 22:10:14 <OwenS> I've tried breaking on write, but it seems glibc does funny things with symbols 22:10:23 <OwenS> Though LD_PRELOAD gives me an idea... 22:11:53 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:12:08 <OwenS> No, LD_PRELOADING a lib with a write() doesn't work :-( 22:12:56 <Rubidium> but it does work for malloc, so why wouldn't it work with printf et al? 22:13:19 <OwenS> Perhaps write is declared inline? 22:14:33 <Rubidium> or a macro or something? 22:15:09 <OwenS> I don't know if it's calling printf, puts, putc or what :-( 22:15:31 <Rubidium> then strace it 22:15:39 <OwenS> All those turn into write()s 22:17:49 <Wolf01> 'night 22:17:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host21-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:20:16 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 22:21:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D11A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:23:22 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:15 *** orudge` [~orudge@109.224.128.167] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:35 <TrueBrain> maybe you should use LD_PRELOAD, not LD_PRELOADING :p 22:30:43 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:31:05 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Thats what I did :P I found it in the end. In my String class, of all places... 22:31:46 *** orudge` [~orudge@109.224.128.167] has joined #openttd 22:31:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 22:31:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:12 * OwenS was worried that his interpreter was over 1 million times slower than C for a moment. Then he realised GCC is probably cheating :p 22:37:01 <SmatZ> gcc is cheating? 22:37:09 <OwenS> constant folding :P 22:37:13 <SmatZ> hehe 22:38:09 <TrueBrain> that is just clever 22:38:14 <SmatZ> I wonder that wasn't the first optimisation you implemented :) 22:39:19 <OwenS> SmatZ: Constant folding and function inlining ;-) 22:39:50 <SmatZ> :) 22:39:58 <SmatZ> well, constant folding should be trivial 22:40:04 <OwenS> Also, I haven't implemented any optimizers yet, but yes 22:40:25 <OwenS> I need to implement an expression reorder pass and then constant folding 22:41:09 <OwenS> (Reorder changes "(((a + b) + c) + 5) + 6" into "(((a + b) + c) + (5 + 6))" so that constant folding is easier :p 22:41:43 <SmatZ> it can be tricky, especially with floats 22:41:49 <OwenS> Oh indeed 22:44:20 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 22:46:32 <OwenS> Hmm, I'm presently about 20 times slower than Lua *breaks out profiler* 22:48:19 <insulfrog> cyas 22:48:21 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.20.202.223] has quit [Quit: hi] 22:48:49 <OwenS> |'m definitely expecting the hotspot to be inside AS::ASI::Interpreter::interpret(), but where inside there is the question :p 22:50:49 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i hope that's not a 1000 loc function :p 22:52:09 <Rubidium> nah, rather a 100kloc :) 22:52:11 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I'll admit, it's an 1000 line switch on the bytecode opcodes :p 22:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you have 1000 opcodes? 22:52:53 <OwenS> No, more like ~35 at the moment 22:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> so that should be at most a 35 line switch... 22:53:33 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: While I could break it out, I don't really see a readability advantage here 22:53:53 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:53:58 <OwenS> But I do see a significant and proven speed disadvantage 22:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: but readability is not your problem. profilability is... 22:54:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:07 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:54:21 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: It's not going to be an instruction taking the time; it will be one of the trees of functions an instruction calls 22:57:07 <OwenS> ls: reading directory /boot/: Input/output error <-- ?!?! 22:57:59 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:58:14 <Priski> argh, anyone uses this openid crap? 22:59:22 <OwenS> wtf? e2fsck can't read from /dev/sdb1 23:00:25 <OwenS> FUCK FUCK FUCK 23:00:32 <OwenS> mdadm reporting sdb as faulty spare 23:01:16 <OwenS> brb... maybe 23:01:32 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:54 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:05:53 *** fro [~fro@ip70-190-40-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:57 <fro> Hello? 23:06:10 <valhalla1w> BOOH! 23:06:22 <fro> Can you help me? 23:06:23 * valhalla1w runs around #openttd with a scream mask on 23:06:41 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 23:07:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:15 <fro> I need help 23:07:15 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:07:49 <valhalla1w> although it's not in the topic: don't ask to ask, ask 23:08:01 <valhalla1w> and if someone has an answer and wants to respond, he, she or it will. 23:08:16 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 23:08:49 <fro> Why cant i build banks? 23:08:57 <fro> or any other city improvement 23:11:30 <Yexo> banks are industries, you can enable building industries in the advanced settings 23:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> this is not sim city 23:12:20 <fro> Thank you yexo 23:13:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D11A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8329.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:40 <OwenS`Phone> Device health assesment: Failure imminent 23:16:32 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:17:17 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:17:17 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:22:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:24:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19312 /branches/1.0/ (12 files in 9 dirs): 23:24:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [1.0] -Backport from trunk: 23:24:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: [YAPF] Consider the railtype imposed speed limit for pathfinding (r19301) 23:24:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Change: Increase the default small font size for freetype fonts as 6 point fonts are usually unreadable [FS#3655] (r19308) 23:24:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Change: [NewGRF] Railtype cost factor from byte to word value (r19306) 23:24:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: Disable sound when a sound error happens instead of crashing [FS#3652] (r19304) 23:25:43 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 23:27:08 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:30:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19313 /tags/1.0.0-RC2/ (5 files in 4 dirs): -Release: 1.0.0-RC2 23:35:24 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:54 *** _newage_ [~victor@15.Red-79-159-152.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #openttd [] 23:39:10 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:39:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:00 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 23:43:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 23:46:37 *** fro [~fro@ip70-190-40-78.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:56:01 <Terkhen> good night 23:56:06 <planetmaker> Yexo, are varaction2 actually already defined in trunk OpenTTD 23:56:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@217.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:56:11 <planetmaker> good night Terkhen 23:56:33 <Yexo> planetmaker: varaction2 for which feature? 23:56:41 <planetmaker> err.. airport tiles 23:56:47 <Yexo> yes, sinse r19200 23:57:06 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 19200 23:57:07 <planetmaker> ok. I'll just modify the industry tiles page. It's 100% the same except var40 23:57:09 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by yexo :: r19200 /trunk/docs (landscape.html landscape_grid.html) (2010-02-22 14:17:26 UTC) 23:57:10 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Doc: update the map array documentation 23:57:27 <planetmaker> haha :-) 23:57:31 <Yexo> planetmaker: you mean add airport informatino to the industry tile page? 23:57:50 <planetmaker> yes 23:57:54 <Yexo> please don't, the airport page might be expanded in the future 23:58:23 <planetmaker> hm, ok, then I'll make a 100% copy minus var40 and s/industry/airport/ ;-) 23:58:25 <Yexo> hmm, on the other hand, action2 houses and industry tiles also share a page 23:58:35 <Yexo> so it should be fine 23:58:47 <planetmaker> it could still be separated... 23:59:00 <Yexo> do whatever you prefer :) 23:59:13 <planetmaker> and soothes the "this wiki must be kept small and non-redundant" people ;-) 23:59:45 <Yexo> you should update nutracks btw, since r19306 prop 13 is a word, not a byte 23:59:46 <planetmaker> one page is it then for now 23:59:52 <Yexo> thanks :) 23:59:56 <planetmaker> I did update the wiki